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Another episode of-

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In our

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pre con- … Profit Builder Podcast

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pre, where we are in our
pre-construction series at the moment.

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Yes.

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We are- Still with

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Brad

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We're still with Brad.

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We've- Hi … we're still with Brad.

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Hi.

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And we are coming from our
mobile Proclimer Build to Last

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studio, Proclimer being our major
sponsor, absolutely love them.

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Brad- If you haven't guessed

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yet

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you've been using them for years.

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Matt, you've been using them for years.

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Uh, but also a big shout-out to Kya
from Wilderness Build Co. Uh, we

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are currently using their boardroom.

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Today, uh, we are gonna be
talking about what to look out for

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when you're doing a site visit.

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'Cause I kinda feel like people say
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are they just doing it for the optics
of going to site and having a look?

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Like, we brought Brad in here today
because, uh, you know, Brad's one of those

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guys that likes to turn over every rock.

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Uh, and I know, Matt, you and I
have been doing our site visits,

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and they're pretty robust, and we've
been doing them for a while now.

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And we're all looking, looking
at different things, like Brad's

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more rural, I'm very in the city.

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Yeah, and I'm kind of blending between-
Yeah … the two sometimes, so.

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So and, and there are certainly
things that I look for on

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every single different site.

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Ha- yeah, 100%.

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So my first question is when
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Is it the moment the client calls you?

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No, no.

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Yeah.

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When do you do… Yeah.

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So generally speaking, I'm not meeting
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site until after feasibility costing.

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And that is, I know it could potentially
sound a little bit arrogant, but

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I wanna really protect my time.

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And, and if we're just talking about
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much you can do, there's so much
information you can find out- Before

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before actually going to site.

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So generally speaking, we are go-
that's the first thing that we do

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after issuing their, issuing the
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we do is actually go out to site.

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So after feasibility, send them
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and then we're going to site.

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So when I do mine, I've got,
I've got a, like a, call it

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a form I fill out to myself.

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What I do now is I actually use voice
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answers to each one so I can brain dump.

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Awesome.

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So I, it's a form I built up on safety
culture over the years, and I look to

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bring out a different form coming up.

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But mine is broke, and I don't
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straightaway unless I think I need to.

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I break mine down into I think
it's about six or eight categories.

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So I, I have, I've kind of
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So, like plumbing, electrical, access,
water management, demolition, existing.

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They're the ones that I'm kinda look- I'm,
I'm kind of, that's my sort of headings-

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I will, it's a lot of photo documentation.

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Mm-hmm.

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Access, it's kind of seeing the site.

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It's probably the, it's, it's
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it's, it's not changing.

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The access in Australia isn't changing.

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So I think most people when they go to
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Things I've been called out in the past
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power lines, but actually tramlines.

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So if you're within a certain distance
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a r- you can have big problems there.

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So they're things that I've
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'cause my jobs are quite tight.

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And parking for you.

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Where, where are you putting a skip?

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Where are your team

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parking?

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Like- Yeah, construction zones.

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Yeah, yeah, so it's, it's,
it's those sort of things.

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So my jobs are tight.

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Like, there are times where I
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so I've got to think about how
we're gonna construct the project.

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But I'm doing mine once the,
the feasibility's been approved

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because there's no point doing
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afford the project to start with.

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That's exactly, that's

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exactly it.

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It varies for me because the site
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what the cost of the build's gonna be
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hundreds of meters away from power.

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You might have to upgrade the transmission

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Needing to work out what services
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You know, water.

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All these sorts of things that could be
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Yeah … in costs that are completely
separate of the, of the actual building.

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Um, you know, and if you're not
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Like roadway, like
creating just a path even.

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I was just, I was just gonna say,
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to unpack a little bit more of that.

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So what have we got?

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We've got access, so roads.

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So roads, roads in.

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So access we can generally get in.

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But more often than not, we've needed to
do extensive driveway works because, you

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know, they're rural properties made to
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not gonna get a semi in or a great truck.

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What are you doing,

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what are you doing in that case?

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Like literally pouring a concrete
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No, no, just like grading a
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base, yeah.

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But I'm, I'm not talking
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I'm talking like two weeks of-

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of excavation, like- It's

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like, it's like it's a job in itself.

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which could be 60 grand.

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So access is one, but and
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Like, and then you've got potential
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site cuts and stuff like that.

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The heights for just to get- Yeah.

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A big thing for me too is like sussing out
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like concrete, that sort of stuff.

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Like- Ah, that's a good
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How much travel's involved,
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Um, those sorts of things
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time between trucks as well.

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trucks- Yeah … on the pour.

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Yeah, y- uh, and I never thought of that.

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So that's why I think these categories
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of like, what I look at access is
not what you're looking at access.

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You're not worrying about a
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Well, I think- Yeah … at the end of the
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But they- Yeah … they're kind of
easy categories because everyone's

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gonna have plumbing to look at.

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Whether it's if you need a septic system
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Power upgrade, you might need
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and 150 mil underground cable.

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I might just need a three-phase upgrade.

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Demolition's demolition.

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I think that's probably the only constant
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I mean, one of, one of the things
that I know you and I are looking at,

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particularly in this sort of inner city
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is if it's an old house that was built
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a really good chance that all the
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is earthenware.

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th- And there's a really good chance
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of connection, it's gonna be cooked.

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It's gonna cost you 400 bucks to throw
a- Camera … camera down the tra- th-

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the camera down the drain, 'cause the
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is build this beautiful new home,
connect another four toilets and shower-

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couple of showers and a laundry and
all that kind of nonsense, up t- Mm-hmm

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that's my new favorite word, up to,
uh, a new line to a point where it

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goes into earthenware and then into a
boundary trap that might be dislodged.

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And then all of a sudden you get a
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and next thing, the OGs overflowing.

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all new homes have to have
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Don't quote me on that.

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know what?

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If,

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if- I give misinformation all the

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time … if you're not upgrading
the boundary- Yeah … trap, then-

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We do it on every job
regardless … like- Period

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… 
it, it, honestly, i- if your plumber's
telling you it's cost, gonna cost

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any more than 1,500 bucks, they're
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gonna have a machine there anyway.

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They're gonna dig a hole and they're
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One point.

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Usually one point.

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Job- And you can measure
the depth … job done.

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So what I will do, my
first thing, I go on site.

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I, before I go on site, I'll actually get
the civil plan from the water authority.

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The old school.

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Dial before you dig.

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No, the, no, the, not, the actual
proper old hand-sketched ones.

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Oh, okay.

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Like the, like the pro- like, so we
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of have laid out because where I build
a lot of time is combined drains.

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We get combined drains all the time.

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Yeah, so I've done a job where one
of my first, this is why- What's a

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combined drain, just for
those playing along at home?

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So combined drain is,

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for example, you've got,
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All the sewer runs in the back, and
they all run to, like, their sew- the

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next door's neighbor sewer will run
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So they, next door neighbor, their outlet
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one pipe that then goes out to the main.

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So, and that can be hard, 'cause sometimes
you need to rip up next door neighbor's.

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You've got to put a second line in,
or you got to pick the right size.

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So we wanna know that.

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So if we know it's a combined drain, we'll
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what's happening, where it's all going.

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Um, there's 500 bucks,
like money well spent.

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Um, but we also wanna know the right
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usually read these old plans that
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if it's three meters deep, we wanna
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So that's one of the first thing
I'll, I'll kind of look at.

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Sewer, and the easiest way to f- once
you find it, the old cat, we just

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get a tape measure, put some gloves
on, measure how deep it is Mark it,

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document it, and then we know in
the future where we're going down.

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So that's, it's generally the easiest
one, but when it gets combined,

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that's, that does get a bit tricky.

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Um, stormwater almost always we're
just getting a new legal point

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of discharge and upgrading it.

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Like, it make, makes no sense, like
water kills buildings, and I'll, I'll

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get onto, to existing and neighboring
properties with water in a minute.

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But that's, that's an
easy, easy one to look at.

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But I'm also looking at, when I
say plumbing, I'm looking at if

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there is ex- what, what's their
existing heating and cooling?

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Do I need to have the, the
heating and cooling pump down?

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Like, what's, what's, uh- Ah,
yep … what's actually there too?

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So I'm looking at heating and cooling.

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Is there an evaporative cooler?

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If it's a retrofit, how are we gonna get
that evaporative cooler off the roof?

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What are we gonna do with the roof?

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Um, I'm looking at, at that from plumbing.

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I'm also looking if there's
spas and swimming pools and

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existing rainwater tanks.

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So I wanna know, and then it's
got to do with, let's say,

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let's just say water- Yeah

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um, that I want, I wanna know
everything about the, the water.

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Do we have to relocate the, the
incoming water main because the tap

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needs a shift 'cause now the, the
driveway's on the opposite side?

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Yeah.

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Is there, is there a change in crossover?

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Yeah,

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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I've, I've had jobs where we have to
water tap, change a water tapping and

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it's 30 grand, 'cause we've got to
now tie into the new water connection.

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Hey, Matty, I've been talking
to a few people recently, and

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they're like, "You know what?

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You've been building
with Pro Clima for years.

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Like, how do we get to where you

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are?" So we all started at level
zero at one point, and we got there.

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But one of the things that Pro Clima have
on their website is they have a library

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of so many details from wall to roof
to subfloor to window assemblies, for

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multiple different windows, on how to use
their product and install it correctly,

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and is one of the, the best resources you
can find online to learn how to do this.

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And if you're an architect and you're
not sure how to draw something, they've

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probably got the answer already.

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And I think about, you know, 2018,
2019, when we f- we, we first started

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getting into this, we had to trawl
through all kinds of different documents.

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We had to

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make it

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up.

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We, well, we had to make it up.

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It's all there for

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you.

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Yeah.

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The answers are free now,
and social media's great.

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There's so many awesome videos and
content out there, but the ultimate

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source of truth is the Pro Clima website.

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They have every single
detail that you can imagine.

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And you know what?

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If they don't have it, you can email
them and they'll help you solve it.

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Damn right.

304
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So use Pro Clima, proclima.com.au
if you need to reach out to them

305
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I'll, I'll go for now.

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So on power.

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So three-phase upgrade pit, most
jobs need a pit underground anywhere

308
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between upwards of 3 to 8 grand.

309
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3 to 8 grand, yeah.

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So, so the other day, on one
of my jobs right now, the pole

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is literally out the front.

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It, it's literally, it, it, it's a
shovel down and your, your pit's there.

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Like, it's, it's… Couldn't be easier.

314
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Five people came from
City Power to do this job.

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Four of them just stood there
Five people, eight grand.

316
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Honestly, it was a few shovels deep,
they just had to, like, connect it in.

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I could not get my head around it.

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That's why shit's expensive.

319
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I've got photos of it and I'm
like, "Don't put it online, Matt.

320
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Don't be stupid."

321
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I can understand when, when they've
got to, they've got to dig into the

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footpath, they've got to cut it,
they've got to close the footpath off.

323
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They do all those kind… Like I, I…
There's a part of me that's kind of-

324
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$1,500 to block the road off and go and
dig the ground up and go underneath.

325
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This, the pole was there.

326
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Yeah.

327
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Yeah.

328
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It's insane.

329
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So, so Sawah, do you guys have
any comments on, Sawah, anything?

330
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'Cause you, you're
looking at septic tanks.

331
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Yeah.

332
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Yeah, we're mostly doing septic tanks.

333
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Um, one of the big- Or in a bu- or

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in a bucket

335
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… 
Yeah, or in a bucket.

336
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Um, which that, that, that
job had a septic anyway.

337
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Um, but a lot of- They

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shovelled it to the bucket and
then poured it into the septic tank

339
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… 
Yeah.

340
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A lot of the challenge there is with,
like, what happens with the field.

341
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Yeah.

342
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So Bubs, where it was really rocky,
we actually had to bring a whole heap

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of clean fill in, um- Ah … because
we couldn't just trench through the

344
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rock and then fill it back over with
the shitty rock that we dug out.

345
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Is there any,

346
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is there any risk of that slipping?

347
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Like, like-

348
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It's on a flat bit of-

349
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Yeah

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… 
ground.

351
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

352
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Yeah, cool.

353
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Cool, cool.

354
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Yeah.

355
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So you've

356
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actually built the whole

357
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place up?

358
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No.

359
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We scraped a couple of hundred mil out.

360
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Yeah.

361
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Put the effluent lines in and
then put clean- Filled it back

362
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up … put clean fill back on top.

363
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Are you

364
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on a pump system there or no?

365
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Yeah.

366
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There's a reticulation pump out of
the- Like a s- … septic tank, and

367
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the field is a good couple of hundred
meters from the septic tank location.

368
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Yeah.

369
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'Cause we had to go all the way
down the hill to somewhere that,

370
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you know, you're not gonna have
crazy problems with erosion.

371
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So one job I needed a, a pump in, in a
city because w- there, there was just th-

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the, no fall on anything to get it there.

373
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Yeah.

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That's, actually that's another thing to
think about with your stormwater, 'cause

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a lot of the times- Mm … there's this,
like, in the '50s and '60s, they're just

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like, "Oh, well, we'll just- Spoon drain

377
00:13:06,577 --> 00:13:09,787
we'll just try and run it out to
the front," knowing that the front

378
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curb and gutter is actually higher
than where everything's coming from.

379
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Yeah.

380
00:13:12,868 --> 00:13:14,897
Yeah, and you end up with,
like, a semi-charged line or…

381
00:13:15,188 --> 00:13:16,787
Yeah, so it's just
something to think about.

382
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Like if, like go and check the curb and
find out, like, and just eyeball it or get

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a laser and, you know, ping a few heights.

384
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'Cause if you, if that's… I've had
it on three different occasions where

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we've had to have a, um, sump and a pump.

386
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And they're not cheap.

387
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They can be-

388
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No … like

389
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30 grand, aren't they?

390
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N- uh, this one wasn't too bad, but
there's all the risks associated

391
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with that- A pump will eventually
die … 'cause it's one more thing,

392
00:13:38,157 --> 00:13:39,527
it's one more thing that can go wrong.

393
00:13:39,537 --> 00:13:39,557
Yeah.

394
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That's, I guess, what
I was trying to get at.

395
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And it needs

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to be regularly serviced.

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Regularly serviced, you know,
click, put that into your, um,

398
00:13:44,797 --> 00:13:45,808
handover document and stuff

399
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like that.

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Ironically, you can do a pump in the,
in the NCC, but you need a performance

401
00:13:51,521 --> 00:13:55,162
solution for a charge system, which is
gravity that the Romans were using for-

402
00:13:55,342 --> 00:13:55,771
Yeah.

403
00:13:55,782 --> 00:13:55,882
Well, that's

404
00:13:55,882 --> 00:13:56,771
it … like, isn't that ironic?

405
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Like-

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So, and

407
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then- They always would
never, they kind of won't fail

408
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… 
and then, and then quite often too,
you need it pumped into a water tank.

409
00:14:04,491 --> 00:14:04,691
Yeah.

410
00:14:04,732 --> 00:14:06,662
And then the water tank
flows out naturally.

411
00:14:06,662 --> 00:14:09,912
'Cause what the councils don't want
to see is a pump like spurting water

412
00:14:09,912 --> 00:14:12,161
out into the, into the laneway.

413
00:14:12,481 --> 00:14:16,271
So you, you got to pump it from a sump
into a tank, and then the tank drains.

414
00:14:16,802 --> 00:14:17,092
Yeah.

415
00:14:17,151 --> 00:14:20,661
So all these things that feed
into the cost of a project, which

416
00:14:20,692 --> 00:14:24,082
may or may not have been caught
up in the architect's design.

417
00:14:24,311 --> 00:14:24,831
Yeah.

418
00:14:24,891 --> 00:14:27,451
And it's also not fair for the
architect to know these things.

419
00:14:27,451 --> 00:14:30,821
As builders, this is what we know,
and you need to be, uh, comfortable

420
00:14:30,822 --> 00:14:34,082
with having the conversation to
bring the right trades out- Yeah

421
00:14:34,082 --> 00:14:37,602
at that point, be like, "No, this
needs to happen." But you still need

422
00:14:37,602 --> 00:14:38,721
to know that these things might happen.

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00:14:38,802 --> 00:14:42,961
One of the other things that we, that
we do, we bring in a service locator

424
00:14:43,122 --> 00:14:46,458
and- I had an example two days ago.

425
00:14:46,478 --> 00:14:48,438
Sam Cox called me up, he's
doing some landscaping-

426
00:14:48,568 --> 00:14:49,238
Yeah … on one of our projects.

427
00:14:49,238 --> 00:14:51,348
And he goes, "Do you know
where this power's running?"

428
00:14:51,348 --> 00:14:57,257
And I go, "Mate, stand by." Sent him
the plan of the service detection,

429
00:14:57,258 --> 00:14:58,258
and he goes, "Oh yeah, great.

430
00:14:58,258 --> 00:14:59,887
Thanks for that." Carried on.

431
00:14:59,948 --> 00:15:01,525
And this is after we've
finished the project.

432
00:15:01,525 --> 00:15:01,553
What

433
00:15:01,553 --> 00:15:02,168
does, what's that cost?

434
00:15:02,587 --> 00:15:03,408
400 bucks.

435
00:15:04,077 --> 00:15:05,497
So it's- And they come back
with a woo, woo, woo, woo, yeah.

436
00:15:05,497 --> 00:15:09,247
Yeah, so they're mapping everything, so
we get a full map of where, where gas

437
00:15:09,247 --> 00:15:14,837
is, where, um, NBN is, where power is,
where water is, where sewer is, where it's

438
00:15:14,837 --> 00:15:17,208
coming into the property, where it runs
through the property, and then all the

439
00:15:17,208 --> 00:15:20,107
depths, and we get a full map afterwards.

440
00:15:20,567 --> 00:15:21,788
That's pretty good, yeah.

441
00:15:21,817 --> 00:15:22,598
It's a no-brainer.

442
00:15:22,608 --> 00:15:23,658
Oh, okay.

443
00:15:23,658 --> 00:15:24,487
Like, absolute no-brainer.

444
00:15:24,538 --> 00:15:27,538
And so we know where power's
coming in, we know where gas is

445
00:15:27,538 --> 00:15:30,938
coming in, we know where water's
coming in, we know the depth of it.

446
00:15:31,288 --> 00:15:35,117
So, you know, if someone's putting a
new fence along the front boundary, you

447
00:15:35,117 --> 00:15:38,557
know, we know where that stuff is, so
we can just share with, um, everyone.

448
00:15:38,567 --> 00:15:39,638
We give it, give it to the designer.

449
00:15:39,638 --> 00:15:39,657
Yeah.

450
00:15:40,757 --> 00:15:42,947
Um, we're very much like you though.

451
00:15:42,977 --> 00:15:46,217
We have a form- Yeah … that we're
filling out, and we start at the

452
00:15:46,218 --> 00:15:49,127
front of the property, and we're
taking pictures of our surroundings.

453
00:15:49,208 --> 00:15:49,688
Yeah.

454
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Down the street, up the street.

455
00:15:50,878 --> 00:15:52,517
I'm asking the client
where the coffee shop is.

456
00:15:52,547 --> 00:15:53,667
What cancels.

457
00:15:53,708 --> 00:15:56,127
What cancels, when the bins come.

458
00:15:56,127 --> 00:15:56,137
Yeah.

459
00:15:56,137 --> 00:15:59,718
You know, is this a busy street
where people are parking, you know.

460
00:15:59,817 --> 00:16:01,571
Is, is it City of Yarra
who are a pain in the arse?

461
00:16:01,571 --> 00:16:02,657
City of Yarra.

462
00:16:02,687 --> 00:16:03,837
Is there a school there?

463
00:16:03,837 --> 00:16:03,857
Yeah.

464
00:16:03,857 --> 00:16:04,928
Is there trams there?

465
00:16:05,208 --> 00:16:07,667
Like, we wanna know all of this
stuff, and we're documenting it all

466
00:16:07,668 --> 00:16:11,947
down because that's really valuable
information to pass on to the site team.

467
00:16:12,357 --> 00:16:16,817
'Cause if we go, we know there's
a school up the road, and at 8:30,

468
00:16:16,817 --> 00:16:18,288
9:00, this whole place is full.

469
00:16:18,817 --> 00:16:23,668
And if all of a sudden we've gotta
get a concrete pour, like we know

470
00:16:23,668 --> 00:16:26,887
that there is no way in hell… Well,
we're gonna cause all kinds of ruckus-

471
00:16:27,058 --> 00:16:27,218
Yeah

472
00:16:27,257 --> 00:16:30,017
… 
if we're pouring concrete during
school zone, or if we're getting

473
00:16:30,017 --> 00:16:31,287
a delivery or something like that.

474
00:16:31,848 --> 00:16:34,687
Um, and then we're working out
where the meter is, we're working

475
00:16:34,687 --> 00:16:37,527
out where the sewer's coming in,
we're taking photos of it, and we're

476
00:16:37,527 --> 00:16:39,057
taking like 100 photos of the site.

477
00:16:39,207 --> 00:16:42,087
Yeah, like my camera is full of them
photos by the time we get there.

478
00:16:42,097 --> 00:16:43,237
Mm. And you use them all the time.

479
00:16:43,747 --> 00:16:45,167
Um, electrical.

480
00:16:45,457 --> 00:16:47,307
Do you know one of the other
things, sorry, that I'm loving

481
00:16:47,308 --> 00:16:48,627
about my new Mac, Matthew?

482
00:16:48,637 --> 00:16:48,657
No.

483
00:16:49,087 --> 00:16:52,847
Is that my photos- All sync … are
ending up on my, on my iPad,

484
00:16:52,878 --> 00:16:54,258
rather than me have to share them.

485
00:16:54,607 --> 00:16:54,867
Yeah.

486
00:16:55,367 --> 00:16:56,187
Sorry, digressing.

487
00:16:56,777 --> 00:16:58,748
Everyone, I just- Um … everyone,
I just got a new Mac.

488
00:16:58,767 --> 00:17:01,887
So ele- electrical for me, where
the first thing we're looking at,

489
00:17:02,017 --> 00:17:05,057
is it most of our projects have
to go underground electrical pit.

490
00:17:05,247 --> 00:17:05,597
Yep.

491
00:17:05,657 --> 00:17:08,547
It's also if you're spending 1.5,
2 million on a project, do you

492
00:17:08,547 --> 00:17:09,428
really want an overhead power line?

493
00:17:10,538 --> 00:17:11,848
Um, is probably the other thing.

494
00:17:12,258 --> 00:17:13,188
So we're looking at that.

495
00:17:13,188 --> 00:17:15,748
We're also looking at how we're gonna
get temp power during the project.

496
00:17:15,768 --> 00:17:16,778
Can we get pit to pole?

497
00:17:17,098 --> 00:17:18,898
Do we just do a sub-board
away from the house?

498
00:17:19,008 --> 00:17:19,988
What makes sense there?

499
00:17:20,148 --> 00:17:20,338
Yep.

500
00:17:20,398 --> 00:17:24,578
Um, also, like, in demolition, do we
need to disconnect existing solar panels?

501
00:17:25,077 --> 00:17:25,817
Yeah, that's a good point.

502
00:17:26,008 --> 00:17:28,128
Like, there's some- there are
things that I'm kinda looking at.

503
00:17:28,578 --> 00:17:30,587
Um, what else I looking-

504
00:17:30,587 --> 00:17:33,037
Any, any material that you're
gonna be reusing or that

505
00:17:33,048 --> 00:17:34,638
you think can be reused, uh-

506
00:17:34,638 --> 00:17:36,588
Oh, we're looking at existing
switchboards and stuff, but we will

507
00:17:36,588 --> 00:17:39,457
always do an exist- We'll just always
upgrade the switchboard regardless now

508
00:17:39,458 --> 00:17:42,268
I'm just thinking more along the lines
of, you know, is there flooring in there?

509
00:17:42,268 --> 00:17:42,377
Is there weatherboards?

510
00:17:42,377 --> 00:17:42,618
Is there- Oh,

511
00:17:42,618 --> 00:17:42,687
okay.

512
00:17:43,068 --> 00:17:43,938
I'll get the demo in a second.

513
00:17:43,938 --> 00:17:44,528
Yeah, yeah.

514
00:17:44,537 --> 00:17:44,847
Sorry.

515
00:17:44,858 --> 00:17:45,028
Matt's

516
00:17:45,048 --> 00:17:45,437
trying to

517
00:17:45,978 --> 00:17:46,278
structure

518
00:17:46,278 --> 00:17:46,641
this a little bit.

519
00:17:46,641 --> 00:17:47,095
I need to structure it.

520
00:17:47,095 --> 00:17:47,186
Yeah,

521
00:17:47,186 --> 00:17:47,277
yeah.

522
00:17:47,277 --> 00:17:48,467
We're, we're talking electrical.

523
00:17:48,507 --> 00:17:49,057
Yeah.

524
00:17:49,147 --> 00:17:49,257
Is

525
00:17:50,167 --> 00:17:50,581
there anything electrical?

526
00:17:50,581 --> 00:17:52,237
The, the power supply, what you've
currently got supplied to the

527
00:17:52,237 --> 00:17:54,487
property's a, a big thing- We-

528
00:17:54,487 --> 00:17:55,798
especially now that we're
all going all electric.

529
00:17:55,798 --> 00:17:57,297
All my projects are three-phase.

530
00:17:57,298 --> 00:18:00,237
I can't remember ever doing…
I- Ever since I built, I

531
00:18:00,248 --> 00:18:01,187
think I've done three-phase.

532
00:18:01,217 --> 00:18:02,057
When it's available.

533
00:18:02,897 --> 00:18:03,348
What do you mean?

534
00:18:03,697 --> 00:18:06,108
Well, sometimes- No, it's
not … Warrandyte, my house, it's

535
00:18:06,108 --> 00:18:10,097
gonna cost me 60 grand to get it,
'cause it's 100 meters up the road.

536
00:18:10,107 --> 00:18:11,458
But- Oh … I'm confused now.

537
00:18:11,527 --> 00:18:12,488
Like, single-phase.

538
00:18:13,287 --> 00:18:15,237
I've, I've got two phases to my property.

539
00:18:15,277 --> 00:18:15,707
Yeah, okay.

540
00:18:15,728 --> 00:18:17,787
So to get another phase, I've got to-

541
00:18:17,827 --> 00:18:18,868
Upgrade everyone else's to get

542
00:18:18,887 --> 00:18:19,587
there … I've gotta bring it up.

543
00:18:19,698 --> 00:18:20,038
Yeah.

544
00:18:20,137 --> 00:18:22,938
And I actually told them, I called them, I
go, "I've got a five tonne machine there."

545
00:18:23,287 --> 00:18:23,387
Oh,

546
00:18:23,387 --> 00:18:23,467
do you?

547
00:18:23,467 --> 00:18:27,067
"I'm happy to roll down at midnight
and dig a trench, lay a conduit

548
00:18:27,067 --> 00:18:29,577
for you, and then cover it back up
again, and you can use the conduit."

549
00:18:30,257 --> 00:18:30,687
They didn't wanna buy it.

550
00:18:35,576 --> 00:18:37,046
Fuck, these authorities kill me.

551
00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:37,956
Um-

552
00:18:38,456 --> 00:18:39,186
I was joking, by the way.

553
00:18:39,916 --> 00:18:40,546
Just joking.

554
00:18:40,626 --> 00:18:40,946
I'm not.

555
00:18:40,995 --> 00:18:42,916
He's talking about, like,
not on his property.

556
00:18:42,926 --> 00:18:43,665
On my- On

557
00:18:43,666 --> 00:18:43,826
the-

558
00:18:43,876 --> 00:18:44,266
Up the road

559
00:18:44,326 --> 00:18:44,856
… 
down the road.

560
00:18:44,856 --> 00:18:45,026
Down

561
00:18:45,026 --> 00:18:45,366
the road.

562
00:18:45,366 --> 00:18:45,616
Yeah.

563
00:18:46,706 --> 00:18:52,075
I, yeah, I… Look, it pro- it probably
costs half the, or a tenth of the figure.

564
00:18:52,386 --> 00:18:53,456
They just have the monopoly on it.

565
00:18:53,565 --> 00:18:53,945
Anyway.

566
00:18:54,286 --> 00:18:57,036
Hey, I'm, I'm about to go on a
journey with systems, and I'm working

567
00:18:57,056 --> 00:19:00,715
with James from Biztech Guru, who,
he was a guest on our podcast.

568
00:19:00,755 --> 00:19:03,536
He was, and I've actually done a
lot of work with James in the past,

569
00:19:03,555 --> 00:19:09,066
and it has transformed my business
from just being this classic

570
00:19:09,106 --> 00:19:12,865
clusterfuck of a building company to
a systems-orientated focused business.

571
00:19:12,876 --> 00:19:13,156
And

572
00:19:13,326 --> 00:19:15,796
what he's, from my understanding,
it's all focused on builders.

573
00:19:15,806 --> 00:19:15,836
Yep.

574
00:19:15,845 --> 00:19:19,536
And we're going to be doing a live
webinar with him coming up- Yep

575
00:19:19,606 --> 00:19:23,265
as part of this, and it's gonna be
a big introduction to systems and

576
00:19:23,556 --> 00:19:24,756
how it can improve your business.

577
00:19:24,795 --> 00:19:25,575
And you know the beauty about it?

578
00:19:25,635 --> 00:19:27,455
It is gonna be absolutely free.

579
00:19:27,455 --> 00:19:27,625
Yeah.

580
00:19:27,856 --> 00:19:30,376
So keep an eye out for the dates.

581
00:19:30,415 --> 00:19:34,885
Uh, this is gonna be a really incredibly
valuable workshop to not miss out on.

582
00:19:34,905 --> 00:19:39,566
Yeah, so either shoot us a DM, um, check
the show notes, but we'll put a link

583
00:19:39,566 --> 00:19:41,495
below here to show you how to sign up.

584
00:19:41,526 --> 00:19:42,865
So- Cheers … make sure you sign up.

585
00:19:45,836 --> 00:19:48,936
Before I get to demolition as
well, the other thing I look at

586
00:19:48,946 --> 00:19:51,316
is water and next door neighbors.

587
00:19:51,706 --> 00:19:54,626
So I wanna know, especially if
it's a renovation or, uh, actually

588
00:19:54,626 --> 00:19:55,406
I'll do- Are they dickheads?

589
00:19:55,516 --> 00:19:55,856
Hun?

590
00:19:56,525 --> 00:19:56,645
Do

591
00:19:56,645 --> 00:19:56,780
you ask that?

592
00:19:56,780 --> 00:19:57,146
No, no, no, no.

593
00:19:57,155 --> 00:19:59,516
What I mean is, like, so for
example, are their downpipes

594
00:19:59,516 --> 00:20:00,836
just not hooked up to anything?

595
00:20:01,586 --> 00:20:03,406
So- Yeah, that's a good point … so
is their, is their… all their

596
00:20:03,406 --> 00:20:04,766
rainwater just going to the ground?

597
00:20:04,775 --> 00:20:06,765
Is that gonna affect my, my foundations?

598
00:20:06,765 --> 00:20:07,555
Is it gonna make it muddy?

599
00:20:07,566 --> 00:20:07,735
Yeah, good point.

600
00:20:07,786 --> 00:20:08,796
Is it not drying out?

601
00:20:09,165 --> 00:20:12,756
So I'm looking at what other neighbors are
doing with their s- water management plan.

602
00:20:12,756 --> 00:20:16,805
Is their, is their legal point of
discharge completely clogged up so th-

603
00:20:16,805 --> 00:20:18,035
we've just got a ton of groundwater?

604
00:20:18,365 --> 00:20:20,725
I'm looking at, when I say water
management and neighbors, I'm,

605
00:20:20,775 --> 00:20:24,545
uh… Look, the neighbors aren't
gonna affect me really when we

606
00:20:24,545 --> 00:20:25,575
build, to be honest with you.

607
00:20:25,855 --> 00:20:30,666
Um, I just wanna know that, uh,
the management of their property is

608
00:20:30,666 --> 00:20:32,225
being… not gonna affect my property.

609
00:20:32,275 --> 00:20:32,625
Yep.

610
00:20:33,105 --> 00:20:34,826
Um, fence lines, all those sort of things.

611
00:20:34,826 --> 00:20:37,455
So we wanna know, is there
gonna be any conversation?

612
00:20:37,455 --> 00:20:39,005
If there is, that needs to
come through the client.

613
00:20:39,435 --> 00:20:43,195
So, uh, we, if they, if they've got
really bad down, downpipes and it's just

614
00:20:43,195 --> 00:20:46,225
all rotted out and all over the ground,
clients need to go to their neighbors

615
00:20:46,225 --> 00:20:49,395
and make them aware that they need to
fix that and… because it could have

616
00:20:49,396 --> 00:20:51,086
a huge effects on our, our foundations.

617
00:20:51,245 --> 00:20:53,246
But are you then just
managing for it anyway?

618
00:20:53,855 --> 00:20:56,995
No, because I can't, because if
we're, I'm building hard up against

619
00:20:56,995 --> 00:21:01,805
the boundary on two sides, I can't
manage water on their side anymore.

620
00:21:02,136 --> 00:21:02,366
Mm.

621
00:21:02,376 --> 00:21:03,245
Like, what am I gonna do?

622
00:21:03,965 --> 00:21:04,725
So I have to make- I mean,

623
00:21:04,725 --> 00:21:07,475
you would like to think that if
there is a water problem on the

624
00:21:07,475 --> 00:21:10,936
other side of the property, then your
boreholes would've reflected that.

625
00:21:11,795 --> 00:21:12,946
You'd like to think that, but-

626
00:21:13,056 --> 00:21:16,795
Well, I've had boreholes
where the tip didn't show up.

627
00:21:16,795 --> 00:21:17,415
It was a tip.

628
00:21:17,635 --> 00:21:20,485
We kinda knew something
wasn't right, but we've-

629
00:21:20,486 --> 00:21:21,745
Oh, is this the EPS one?

630
00:21:22,245 --> 00:21:22,475
No, no.

631
00:21:22,475 --> 00:21:22,875
Yeah.

632
00:21:22,876 --> 00:21:24,785
Well, no, but there was actually
two issues on that one there,

633
00:21:24,795 --> 00:21:26,215
so I'll, I'll get to them.

634
00:21:26,215 --> 00:21:26,745
Digressing.

635
00:21:26,745 --> 00:21:26,956
Digressing.

636
00:21:26,956 --> 00:21:27,366
Yeah.

637
00:21:27,615 --> 00:21:33,865
Um, existing building, 'cause it kind of
falls into demo, um, if we, we're doing a

638
00:21:33,865 --> 00:21:36,606
retrofit, I wanna know what the existing
foundations are, what's happening there.

639
00:21:36,655 --> 00:21:37,655
Mm. Are they viable?

640
00:21:37,655 --> 00:21:42,385
I was yesterday on site and we're looking
at the old, the old bearers, now 100

641
00:21:42,385 --> 00:21:46,335
mil wide but 70 mil high, and it's like,
well, to replace them and start propping

642
00:21:46,346 --> 00:21:49,785
up is really expensive, so let's just
add new stumps in and rejig under there.

643
00:21:49,785 --> 00:21:53,366
So we had, again, Ornik out on site
and had a good conversation how we're

644
00:21:53,366 --> 00:21:54,546
gonna approach the existing building.

645
00:21:54,546 --> 00:21:54,615
Did I say that

646
00:21:54,615 --> 00:21:56,235
Yasher was up in the roof?

647
00:21:56,445 --> 00:21:57,815
Nah, it wasn't Yasher, it's Farouk.

648
00:21:57,856 --> 00:21:58,326
We got in the r- Oh, Farouk.

649
00:21:58,326 --> 00:22:01,106
Yeah … we got in the, we got in the
existing roof, and the chimney that the

650
00:22:01,106 --> 00:22:04,225
council wanna keep for heritage is on
this complete angle that's completely

651
00:22:04,225 --> 00:22:08,065
cracked, so we're gonna s- wonder if
they're gonna make us prop it up to be

652
00:22:08,065 --> 00:22:10,675
reused because it's structurally, uh-

653
00:22:10,685 --> 00:22:12,345
How are you managing
that thermal bridge too?

654
00:22:12,806 --> 00:22:15,176
So this is a good question because
I wanna… 'Cause now it's, we've

655
00:22:15,176 --> 00:22:17,735
gotta have a conversat- conversation
around condensation management-

656
00:22:17,746 --> 00:22:19,725
Mm … 'cause the NCC tells us.

657
00:22:20,345 --> 00:22:24,452
If they say no Will council sign a
letter saying that they're responsible?

658
00:22:25,062 --> 00:22:26,962
Because ultimately we're
doing everything we can.

659
00:22:27,141 --> 00:22:28,452
You're the preventer,
you're the roadblock.

660
00:22:28,502 --> 00:22:31,952
Can you just sign this to say, "Hey,
guys, um, yeah, we'll take responsibility

661
00:22:31,952 --> 00:22:34,692
if this fails in the fut- future."
We'll see how that conversation goes.

662
00:22:34,901 --> 00:22:36,641
Sorry, that's a bit of a smart
arse- I highly doubt it … dig

663
00:22:36,641 --> 00:22:40,672
at councils, but, um, but existing
building, is there asbestos?

664
00:22:40,681 --> 00:22:41,432
Is there these things?

665
00:22:41,432 --> 00:22:42,881
We want to know everything
about the existing building.

666
00:22:42,891 --> 00:22:43,552
Yeah Um-

667
00:22:43,782 --> 00:22:45,752
And just here's a bit of
a hot tip for everyone.

668
00:22:45,871 --> 00:22:50,251
Even if you can't see asbestos in
a building, put a fucking goddamn

669
00:22:50,261 --> 00:22:53,331
provisional sum allowance in
your contract or your costings.

670
00:22:53,341 --> 00:22:54,681
Or just say it's excluded.

671
00:22:55,242 --> 00:22:55,542
Yeah.

672
00:22:55,751 --> 00:22:58,571
I kind of find it easy that you just put
like a five grand allowance in there.

673
00:22:58,571 --> 00:22:58,861
Yeah.

674
00:22:59,312 --> 00:23:01,301
Go, "Look, we're, we're assuming
there's asbestos in here.

675
00:23:01,341 --> 00:23:02,631
Let's just put a budget in there.

676
00:23:02,641 --> 00:23:05,111
If we don't find any asbestos,
it's a provisional sum.

677
00:23:05,332 --> 00:23:06,801
We'll just reconcile it and
give you the money back."

678
00:23:06,812 --> 00:23:10,281
So story on asbestos, had a client,
uh, project never went ahead.

679
00:23:10,961 --> 00:23:14,391
They were gonna go do demolition
themselves and I was like, "Hold

680
00:23:14,391 --> 00:23:16,322
on, let me just do the site
inspection before I come on site.

681
00:23:16,322 --> 00:23:18,951
Just slow down." They're like, "No, no,
no one's here, we just want to slowly

682
00:23:18,952 --> 00:23:20,931
chip over time." And I'm… They're
like, "We're gonna start this week."

683
00:23:20,931 --> 00:23:23,991
And I was like, "No, no, no, let me
get there." Luckily, I convinced them.

684
00:23:24,222 --> 00:23:27,171
I come in and I was like, "Hey,
guys, every single wall internally

685
00:23:27,171 --> 00:23:29,962
is clad in asbestos." And
he's like, "What do you mean?"

686
00:23:30,292 --> 00:23:32,901
Like, "All your cladding's asbestos,
all your walls are asbestos. The

687
00:23:32,902 --> 00:23:36,012
whole house is literally an asbestos
shack." And you couldn't tell that

688
00:23:36,012 --> 00:23:37,371
from the photos or anything like that.

689
00:23:37,911 --> 00:23:38,651
And- Good

690
00:23:38,652 --> 00:23:39,472
fire properties

691
00:23:39,681 --> 00:23:45,032
… 
and he got it all tested, and luckily
they listened because they would've

692
00:23:45,032 --> 00:23:46,761
just all whipped into it on the weekend.

693
00:23:46,931 --> 00:23:49,181
And they would've had
like a loosely fitting-

694
00:23:49,332 --> 00:23:50,922
No, they wouldn't have probably used
one … yeah … and they would've

695
00:23:50,922 --> 00:23:53,341
just thrown it in the normal skip bin,
and then all of a sudden now what?

696
00:23:53,681 --> 00:23:57,751
Well, the tips now are like anything
cement sheet, anything that even remotely

697
00:23:57,751 --> 00:24:02,471
looks like asbestos has to be like
double bagged in builder's plastic.

698
00:24:03,301 --> 00:24:03,801
Really?

699
00:24:03,811 --> 00:24:03,911
Yeah.

700
00:24:04,091 --> 00:24:04,811
Even cement sheet?

701
00:24:04,811 --> 00:24:05,261
I've never had-

702
00:24:05,601 --> 00:24:09,841
Yeah, like the one I'm doing now,
they demoed the bathroom themselves

703
00:24:09,841 --> 00:24:12,681
and just like the standard cement
sheet tile underlay, yeah, had to be

704
00:24:12,691 --> 00:24:13,861
double bagged in builder's plastic

705
00:24:14,262 --> 00:24:14,571
taken away.

706
00:24:14,582 --> 00:24:14,602
Yeah,

707
00:24:14,612 --> 00:24:14,682
you know what?

708
00:24:14,682 --> 00:24:15,462
I'm not opposed to that.

709
00:24:15,462 --> 00:24:16,571
Like I, I, I don't

710
00:24:16,571 --> 00:24:16,671
know.

711
00:24:16,671 --> 00:24:17,471
I, I don't disagree.

712
00:24:17,501 --> 00:24:18,132
I'm not, I'm not

713
00:24:18,132 --> 00:24:18,531
opposed to that

714
00:24:19,001 --> 00:24:19,181
at all.

715
00:24:19,181 --> 00:24:20,921
Well, it certainly eliminates
people just going rogue.

716
00:24:20,961 --> 00:24:21,231
Yeah.

717
00:24:21,461 --> 00:24:21,851
Yeah.

718
00:24:22,141 --> 00:24:24,661
Um, so exist- with the existing
we want to know everything

719
00:24:24,661 --> 00:24:25,471
about the existing building.

720
00:24:25,681 --> 00:24:30,741
Like if we can poke a tape in
and see the existing, um, frame,

721
00:24:30,741 --> 00:24:33,962
what's happening in there, is there
insulation, we'll thermally camera it.

722
00:24:34,321 --> 00:24:36,272
Sometimes we'll do a blow
door test to understand where

723
00:24:36,272 --> 00:24:37,481
some weak points might be.

724
00:24:37,842 --> 00:24:41,321
If it's a really detailed
retrofit for passive house, um,

725
00:24:41,321 --> 00:24:42,411
we'll jump in the existing roof.

726
00:24:42,461 --> 00:24:44,911
We want to know everything about that
structure, especially with propping.

727
00:24:45,232 --> 00:24:48,311
Um, also asking the clients
about their lived experience.

728
00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:48,341
Yeah.

729
00:24:48,562 --> 00:24:50,482
Like have you found there's
cracks and there's movements

730
00:24:50,482 --> 00:24:51,471
over certain time of the years?

731
00:24:51,921 --> 00:24:54,872
The more information you have
about this early stage, the better.

732
00:24:55,351 --> 00:24:55,691
But-

733
00:24:56,771 --> 00:25:00,091
So the cracks is a really good one
too because if you're… I, I went

734
00:25:00,092 --> 00:25:03,042
and looked at this Carlton project-
Yeah … two days ago and I walked in and

735
00:25:03,042 --> 00:25:05,471
I'm looking around, I'm looking at the
ceiling, double brick, bluestone- Yeah.

736
00:25:05,801 --> 00:25:06,071
Oh

737
00:25:06,331 --> 00:25:09,841
… 
bluestone footings and I looked up,
I'm like, "See that crack there?

738
00:25:10,482 --> 00:25:12,391
If we don't get these footings-

739
00:25:12,652 --> 00:25:13,201
Done soon

740
00:25:13,351 --> 00:25:16,141
… 
you know, if we don't get these
footings, you know, under, um-

741
00:25:16,171 --> 00:25:16,541
Pinned

742
00:25:16,711 --> 00:25:19,521
… 
like, um, p- supported- Yeah

743
00:25:22,399 --> 00:25:24,679
Uh, write that rising
damp issue sorted out.

744
00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:27,840
Like, these cracks are going to come
back, and I'm telling you right now, I'm

745
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,399
not taking any responsibility for it.

746
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:32,969
Like, we need to go through and
actually make sure that we're

747
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,560
giving this building every, the
best chance we possibly can And have

748
00:25:35,639 --> 00:25:37,560
fun underpinning bluestone.

749
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:38,699
Well I've

750
00:25:38,830 --> 00:25:41,080
done a ton of bluestone work
in Williamstown over the years.

751
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:43,429
It is really difficult to work with.

752
00:25:43,429 --> 00:25:43,629
Oh, it's an art,

753
00:25:43,629 --> 00:25:43,949
mate, yeah.

754
00:25:44,049 --> 00:25:45,289
I'll, I'll give you some stuff.

755
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:50,040
Um, uh, but then you go into demolition
now, and I am not the greatest at

756
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,479
this, I'll be open, but resource
management, you're a lot better.

757
00:25:53,789 --> 00:25:55,169
So th- the, yeah, things to think about.

758
00:25:55,219 --> 00:25:59,770
Um, well, one of the other things that
we're doing when we're going to site

759
00:25:59,809 --> 00:26:02,699
is actually starting to think about
where we're putting site containers.

760
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:04,389
I mean, that's probably
a foreign concept to you.

761
00:26:04,449 --> 00:26:04,519
I, I'm,

762
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:05,850
I'm like, can we get into site?

763
00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:09,639
Site containers, camera, bins,
toilets, like, where's the

764
00:26:09,639 --> 00:26:10,769
breakout room going to be?

765
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,289
Like, we're thinking about all of
that and mentally mapping them out.

766
00:26:13,449 --> 00:26:13,639
Yeah.

767
00:26:13,699 --> 00:26:18,140
Because there might not be somewhere
for the team to go, like, and grab a cup

768
00:26:18,140 --> 00:26:19,749
of coffee, so where's the closest cafe?

769
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:23,300
Like, if they're going to have a
break, they're going to need s- and

770
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:24,810
if it's pissing with rain, they're
going to have to go somewhere.

771
00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:26,040
They don't want to just sit in their cars.

772
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:27,939
So all these things we're
starting to map out.

773
00:26:27,939 --> 00:26:28,019
Gee, you're nice.

774
00:26:28,019 --> 00:26:29,959
There's a thing called a rain jacket.

775
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,830
I'm a lot nicer, man.

776
00:26:32,729 --> 00:26:33,740
That's what Dave's calling me.

777
00:26:33,969 --> 00:26:34,169
Yeah.

778
00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:38,504
Fuck you.

779
00:26:38,934 --> 00:26:39,384
Um

780
00:26:40,574 --> 00:26:41,474
I know Dave's listening.

781
00:26:41,564 --> 00:26:41,984
I know he is.

782
00:26:41,984 --> 00:26:44,244
He's probably listening live somehow.

783
00:26:44,624 --> 00:26:47,004
Um, what else have we got?

784
00:26:47,004 --> 00:26:47,033
He's

785
00:26:47,034 --> 00:26:47,904
probably tapped your phone.

786
00:26:48,644 --> 00:26:49,744
He's in Byron Bay at the moment.

787
00:26:49,744 --> 00:26:52,984
He's in on his week off, still
sending me photos of buildings.

788
00:26:53,234 --> 00:26:53,894
Um,

789
00:26:55,173 --> 00:26:57,954
he did that straw bale thing
with a client of mine now.

790
00:26:58,694 --> 00:26:59,124
Oh, yeah.

791
00:26:59,124 --> 00:26:59,504
Yeah.

792
00:26:59,504 --> 00:26:59,573
Yeah.

793
00:26:59,573 --> 00:27:01,514
They were doing the course together
wherever it was up in the south.

794
00:27:01,514 --> 00:27:01,853
Oh, really?

795
00:27:02,003 --> 00:27:02,323
Yeah.

796
00:27:02,803 --> 00:27:05,094
He said he found it hard because he's the
only builder, so his questions are very

797
00:27:05,094 --> 00:27:06,893
technical compared to the owner builders.

798
00:27:07,094 --> 00:27:07,743
He loved it though.

799
00:27:08,493 --> 00:27:10,713
Like, so, um, anyway, off topic.

800
00:27:11,303 --> 00:27:13,464
Uh, demolition existing, what else
is there that we're looking for?

801
00:27:13,803 --> 00:27:16,373
Um, I will then at the end
put a report on each category.

802
00:27:16,373 --> 00:27:18,763
So it goes for them all, and then
I'll give you my thoughts on each one.

803
00:27:18,763 --> 00:27:18,923
Yeah.

804
00:27:19,053 --> 00:27:20,394
So we're, we're doing
something similar to you.

805
00:27:20,394 --> 00:27:23,003
The, we've actually got a form
that's connected to Asana that

806
00:27:23,053 --> 00:27:24,754
I'm just filling out on my phone.

807
00:27:24,823 --> 00:27:24,933
Yeah.

808
00:27:24,934 --> 00:27:28,513
I press, boom, update, and then
it gets spat out into my, um,

809
00:27:28,533 --> 00:27:30,143
project management, um, tool.

810
00:27:30,663 --> 00:27:35,173
All that information then gets
dragged into the site visit tag in

811
00:27:35,173 --> 00:27:39,264
our workflow, and that, all that
information sits in there for any

812
00:27:39,264 --> 00:27:40,418
of my team to review at any time.

813
00:27:40,418 --> 00:27:40,624
I like

814
00:27:40,624 --> 00:27:41,674
seeing it in Asana, actually.

815
00:27:41,883 --> 00:27:42,273
Yeah.

816
00:27:42,603 --> 00:27:42,883
Yeah.

817
00:27:42,893 --> 00:27:44,924
At what point are you doing
dilapidation reports on

818
00:27:44,934 --> 00:27:46,173
neighboring properties
and that sort of stuff?

819
00:27:46,173 --> 00:27:47,403
I don't do them myself.

820
00:27:47,404 --> 00:27:47,973
I outsource it.

821
00:27:47,974 --> 00:27:49,133
The handball getting it done.

822
00:27:49,253 --> 00:27:50,693
Uh- But at what point
are you getting it done?

823
00:27:50,693 --> 00:27:51,183
The moment we start.

824
00:27:51,183 --> 00:27:51,703
But yeah, but

825
00:27:51,703 --> 00:27:52,643
just before we start, yeah.

826
00:27:52,724 --> 00:27:53,893
Okay, so not at- No, no.

827
00:27:53,893 --> 00:27:54,014
Yeah.

828
00:27:54,014 --> 00:27:55,003
No, no, because- Things
could happen … there

829
00:27:55,003 --> 00:27:56,643
could be six to eight
months, and there could,

830
00:27:56,643 --> 00:27:56,683
there

831
00:27:56,683 --> 00:27:57,214
could be a season It could be two years

832
00:27:57,214 --> 00:27:57,243
like

833
00:27:58,393 --> 00:28:00,453
I want that dilapidation
report to be done- At

834
00:28:00,453 --> 00:28:01,653
the, the minute before we walk in

835
00:28:01,694 --> 00:28:02,973
… 
yeah, just before we walk in.

836
00:28:03,143 --> 00:28:03,263
Yeah.

837
00:28:03,264 --> 00:28:04,783
This is the existing conditions.

838
00:28:04,834 --> 00:28:05,074
Yeah.

839
00:28:05,074 --> 00:28:05,633
Yeah.

840
00:28:05,633 --> 00:28:08,424
Yeah, because you could do it, and then
the cracks happen before you even get

841
00:28:08,424 --> 00:28:10,653
to site, and then they wait till you're
on site, like, "Look what happened."

842
00:28:10,653 --> 00:28:11,213
Yeah.

843
00:28:11,213 --> 00:28:11,523
Yeah.

844
00:28:11,593 --> 00:28:15,003
So you want to, you automate,
like dilapidation report, I, I

845
00:28:15,003 --> 00:28:16,223
will always outsource it now.

846
00:28:16,224 --> 00:28:17,904
I will not touch them, not my problem.

847
00:28:17,934 --> 00:28:18,924
Someone else needs to do them.

848
00:28:19,313 --> 00:28:22,163
What I would do is also go through
and scan with my Matterport now

849
00:28:24,302 --> 00:28:27,542
So some, what we will also retrofit,
we will run our, if we're retrofitting

850
00:28:27,542 --> 00:28:30,851
the project, we will run a Matterport
scan through the whole project

851
00:28:30,851 --> 00:28:31,542
so we can always reference it No,

852
00:28:31,542 --> 00:28:33,452
just to give a shout-out to, to C.R.

853
00:28:33,452 --> 00:28:33,802
Kennedy.

854
00:28:33,802 --> 00:28:35,242
What is this Matterport magical

855
00:28:35,242 --> 00:28:35,765
camera that you were talking about?

856
00:28:35,765 --> 00:28:35,798
It's a camera.

857
00:28:35,798 --> 00:28:41,231
We did a whole episode with, um, Vas from
C.R. Kennedy about building technology.

858
00:28:41,232 --> 00:28:43,812
It's a camera that scans
the building sites in 3D.

859
00:28:43,881 --> 00:28:45,451
Yeah And you can walk
through it and measure.

860
00:28:45,761 --> 00:28:49,211
It is, for a retrofit, the amount of
times I referred to it on one of my

861
00:28:49,212 --> 00:28:53,532
projects in Altona right now, and we
then, so we did it before we demoed and

862
00:28:53,532 --> 00:28:56,631
now did it after demo, so we can start
to just, we kind of just update as we go.

863
00:28:56,822 --> 00:28:59,881
So I will also do that at a demolition.

864
00:28:59,891 --> 00:29:03,251
If we're d- gonna retrofit the project
and Sydney, and it's keeping a lot of

865
00:29:03,252 --> 00:29:05,081
the building, I will, I will scan it.

866
00:29:05,212 --> 00:29:08,952
I tell you what, talk about like a really
cool thing to kind of demonstrate to

867
00:29:08,952 --> 00:29:11,661
your clients when you're actually going
out there and doing that site visit.

868
00:29:11,662 --> 00:29:13,631
It's hard when they live there too
though, 'cause you just don't want to

869
00:29:13,631 --> 00:29:16,002
get all their stuff in it, but it's
like too bad- Yeah, well, it's- Too sad

870
00:29:16,002 --> 00:29:16,691
… 
it's a good, it's a good point.

871
00:29:16,761 --> 00:29:17,691
Think you know what?

872
00:29:18,191 --> 00:29:18,951
Parking.

873
00:29:19,291 --> 00:29:19,691
Yeah.

874
00:29:19,782 --> 00:29:22,501
And, uh, parking zones.

875
00:29:22,552 --> 00:29:25,532
Like you want to, especially in inner
city, it's not so much for you, Brad.

876
00:29:25,581 --> 00:29:26,491
Yeah, not a problem for me.

877
00:29:26,491 --> 00:29:27,909
Not, not a problem, not, not a problem

878
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:28,345
I park wherever you want.

879
00:29:28,345 --> 00:29:28,782
You can drive your car.

880
00:29:28,782 --> 00:29:29,917
I can't even, I can't even get
the street- Not a problem for

881
00:29:29,917 --> 00:29:30,751
you … in some of my jobs.

882
00:29:30,831 --> 00:29:33,322
But like it's a really
important thing to kind of jot.

883
00:29:33,371 --> 00:29:37,762
Like again, I went to this project
on Monday, Tuesday in Carlton,

884
00:29:37,791 --> 00:29:40,281
and I'm looking around and I'm
looking at all the street signs.

885
00:29:40,421 --> 00:29:42,461
Two hour parking Two hour
parking, two hour parking.

886
00:29:42,931 --> 00:29:45,022
So the first thing I said to
the client is that we're, we're

887
00:29:45,022 --> 00:29:47,452
gonna have to get a construction
zone out the front of our- That's

888
00:29:47,452 --> 00:29:48,221
three grand

889
00:29:48,671 --> 00:29:49,592
for- Yeah, construction zone

890
00:29:49,802 --> 00:29:50,541
out- Actually, a $1,000 a month

891
00:29:50,541 --> 00:29:54,141
… 
out, out the front of the, the property,
which means that it's two bins.

892
00:29:54,272 --> 00:29:54,532
Yeah

893
00:29:54,592 --> 00:29:58,986
Where you can… They're your bins,
they're your parks between 7:00

894
00:29:58,986 --> 00:30:02,361
and 4:00 or 7:00 and 5:00 and no
one technically should park there.

895
00:30:02,631 --> 00:30:04,281
So they are your parks for the project.

896
00:30:04,281 --> 00:30:04,316
What

897
00:30:04,316 --> 00:30:04,971
happens if they do?

898
00:30:05,071 --> 00:30:05,901
Do you get- You can get them

899
00:30:05,901 --> 00:30:06,071
towed.

900
00:30:06,641 --> 00:30:07,241
Oh, you just get them towed?

901
00:30:07,241 --> 00:30:08,391
Yeah, I've had someone towed before.

902
00:30:08,522 --> 00:30:08,721
Oh, man.

903
00:30:08,721 --> 00:30:09,291
St Kilda.

904
00:30:09,571 --> 00:30:10,021
Amazing.

905
00:30:10,022 --> 00:30:10,881
I'd just be like, "Tom."

906
00:30:10,991 --> 00:30:11,481
Yeah, Tom.

907
00:30:11,511 --> 00:30:14,052
It's in, in our… Like, we'll
give them every opportunity.

908
00:30:14,052 --> 00:30:16,771
Like, we'll call the cops, try
and get their phone number.

909
00:30:16,811 --> 00:30:17,042
Oh, no,

910
00:30:17,101 --> 00:30:17,622
fuck that.

911
00:30:17,622 --> 00:30:18,361
You just don't park there.

912
00:30:18,791 --> 00:30:18,981
Yeah,

913
00:30:18,982 --> 00:30:19,032
no.

914
00:30:19,032 --> 00:30:20,041
I, I know, sorry.

915
00:30:20,052 --> 00:30:22,551
Yeah Employ country people with winches
on their four-wheel drives and just…

916
00:30:23,691 --> 00:30:28,541
But yeah, but I think it, yeah,
it's all, it's that, the two-up

917
00:30:28,552 --> 00:30:33,292
hanging, a, a tip I'll use, just ask
the client to go get two permits.

918
00:30:33,302 --> 00:30:34,302
Exactly the conversation I

919
00:30:34,662 --> 00:30:35,931
have with these guys Ask them if
they, pay if they can get, if they

920
00:30:35,931 --> 00:30:38,211
can pay to get another one, it's a lot
cheaper than the construction zone.

921
00:30:38,212 --> 00:30:38,252
Yeah.

922
00:30:38,632 --> 00:30:40,601
Um, so that's something.

923
00:30:40,602 --> 00:30:40,632
But

924
00:30:40,641 --> 00:30:43,011
you do, you do wanna be protecting
the front of your site though.

925
00:30:43,041 --> 00:30:44,701
That's the beauty about
the construction zone.

926
00:30:44,712 --> 00:30:44,732
Yeah.

927
00:30:44,732 --> 00:30:44,843
You said no one

928
00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:46,842
will- So how am I gonna set my
hoarding up, all that sort of stuff.

929
00:30:46,842 --> 00:30:46,872
Yeah, yeah.

930
00:30:46,882 --> 00:30:49,272
So I will look at how I'm
gonna set my hoarding up.

931
00:30:49,662 --> 00:30:50,382
Um…

932
00:30:50,552 --> 00:30:54,331
Oh, actually, another good, good one,
um, particularly if you're t- building

933
00:30:54,331 --> 00:30:59,811
around Melbourne or inner city, is all
those bluestone bloody laneways they've

934
00:30:59,811 --> 00:31:04,981
got there, the council will absolutely
make you put it back as it was before you

935
00:31:04,981 --> 00:31:09,610
got there, and that is a cost Like a cost

936
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:16,330
Yeah, I had one like this and, but
th- they'd built the laneway half a

937
00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:17,800
meter into the neighbor's property.

938
00:31:18,610 --> 00:31:18,930
Oh.

939
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,330
Yeah, it was like been there forever,
but they wanted us to reinstate it,

940
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:28,200
and we're like, "Uh, well, there's a
building on top of it now." Like, they,

941
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,819
they, they couldn't… They're like,
"But it's, it used to be a meter." I'm

942
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:35,410
like, "Yeah, but we're building on it
now." And so they couldn't get their

943
00:31:35,410 --> 00:31:38,760
head around how they still couldn't have
their meter into their house of bluestone

944
00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:41,870
So this is the neighbors
who are saying that?

945
00:31:41,879 --> 00:31:44,649
No, no, no, it was, no, it was the
council driver, like the laneway.

946
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:46,379
Oh, they built it onto the property.

947
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:48,610
Yeah, the laneway was a
meter into the property.

948
00:31:49,389 --> 00:31:51,610
So when we demolished it, we started
again, and obviously we're building

949
00:31:51,610 --> 00:31:52,929
on that area, and they're like,
"Well, where's the blue stone?"

950
00:31:52,929 --> 00:31:55,600
I'm like, "Well, it's, uh…

951
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:59,029
Common sense, yeah, like we've
built on that, on that area." So-

952
00:31:59,059 --> 00:32:01,100
I'm surprised that didn't get
flagged during pre-con, that they

953
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:02,299
could actually see it on the plans.

954
00:32:02,299 --> 00:32:03,580
Yeah, I'll tell you more after.

955
00:32:03,779 --> 00:32:09,809
Uh . Um, the bit… Yes, I have had
something like that, but laneways also

956
00:32:09,809 --> 00:32:13,319
check if you're gonna use access to c-
Yeah … uh, observe the laneway, ask

957
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,399
the neighbors who uses it, who doesn't.

958
00:32:15,399 --> 00:32:16,199
You know, I think just- Just
don't assume you can use it

959
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:20,629
… 
in summary, the more information that
you can drag out of a site visit,

960
00:32:20,649 --> 00:32:24,950
and don't just do a bloody, you know,
virtue signaling one-hour pop-in.

961
00:32:24,979 --> 00:32:27,509
Like- Three, I'm three hours … put
three hours aside … I'm earphones in,

962
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:28,090
just me

963
00:32:28,429 --> 00:32:32,089
… 
um, bring your p- bring your supervisor
around if you want to as well, bring the

964
00:32:32,209 --> 00:32:34,849
designer around if you want to, bring
the engineer around if you want to.

965
00:32:34,899 --> 00:32:38,843
We're definitely bringing the site, um,
the scanning people and the plumber.

966
00:32:38,843 --> 00:32:39,006
Mm.

967
00:32:39,006 --> 00:32:39,489
Mm-hmm.

968
00:32:39,529 --> 00:32:41,029
And then we're doing our own report.

969
00:32:41,439 --> 00:32:41,789
Yeah.

970
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,929
Actually, the last one did
have the plumber come out, um,

971
00:32:45,310 --> 00:32:46,360
'cause he did have the camera.

972
00:32:47,219 --> 00:32:49,810
But yeah, y- you kind
of… Information is key.

973
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:53,079
So I think the clear thing here is
you're not gonna get 100% of the

974
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:56,409
problems, but you might get 95% of
them, and you're gonna reduce the risk

975
00:32:56,409 --> 00:32:58,220
of those harder conversations- Yeah

976
00:32:58,220 --> 00:32:58,950
in the future.

977
00:32:59,189 --> 00:33:03,000
Now, when we come to demolition, I
wanna jump back to a few things here.

978
00:33:03,659 --> 00:33:06,489
Gotta be really careful of
what EPA guidelines are there.

979
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:09,459
You also need to understand
council restrictions on demolition,

980
00:33:09,459 --> 00:33:10,679
on what can and can't be done.

981
00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:15,359
Some councils will make you write a, like
a construction program on how you're gonna

982
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:18,439
dem- demolish a house, and how you're
gonna get the waste out of the site.

983
00:33:18,909 --> 00:33:21,859
Uh, you gotta understand
legislation changes.

984
00:33:21,859 --> 00:33:26,399
So one of my projects in, a few
years ago, we started February.

985
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:30,070
As of J- June, uh, July 1, they
changed a rule on EPS demolition.

986
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,279
Anything that was on site, uh, was treated
as, as hazardous waste, which means it

987
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:35,949
needs to be tested, treated like asbestos.

988
00:33:36,349 --> 00:33:37,649
Needs to go into a special bin.

989
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:41,269
That change out of a f- click of a
s- uh, click of, click of a finger.

990
00:33:41,639 --> 00:33:45,860
So you gotta also understand what
the legislation is with these

991
00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:48,059
sort of things, and there's so
many easy tools now to do that.

992
00:33:48,499 --> 00:33:52,619
But that again will help you, um,
with the conversation with the client.

993
00:33:52,619 --> 00:33:56,259
So when we found out it was gonna
cost an extra $30,000 demolition,

994
00:33:56,259 --> 00:33:57,420
we at least had all the information.

995
00:33:57,420 --> 00:34:00,769
I could do my research through the council
and the EPA and get it all documented to

996
00:34:00,769 --> 00:34:04,869
show how, yeah, this changed at this date,
this has come out of nowhere, here it is.

997
00:34:05,189 --> 00:34:07,189
So I think it does allow you to do that.

998
00:34:07,209 --> 00:34:11,539
Um, it's al- it's also understanding
the neighbors and being respectful, like

999
00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:16,649
y- you kind of don't want the hammer
machine on the, going at 7:00 AM also

1000
00:34:16,649 --> 00:34:19,970
to some extent at the start, because it
does set the precedence for the project.

1001
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:20,700
No.

1002
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:22,740
I, I, I try to be a little
bit nicer at the start.

1003
00:34:22,740 --> 00:34:23,499
7:00

1004
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:23,830
AM.

1005
00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:24,829
Yeah.

1006
00:34:25,099 --> 00:34:26,079
No, you gotta get started, mate.

1007
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:26,229
I

1008
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:27,284
do, yeah, I know,

1009
00:34:27,284 --> 00:34:28,379
but- Gotta, gotta crack those eggs.

1010
00:34:28,420 --> 00:34:29,329
Gotta crack them early.

1011
00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:30,759
Crack the eggs early.

1012
00:34:30,759 --> 00:34:30,814
It's

1013
00:34:30,814 --> 00:34:31,529
always at 7:00.

1014
00:34:31,529 --> 00:34:33,649
They're starting the
machine off at fucking 22.

1015
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:38,716
That's the problem And where I am, yeah

1016
00:34:39,176 --> 00:34:40,145
Or build out where I am.

1017
00:34:40,525 --> 00:34:41,800
Oh, you could start around the corner Run

1018
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,653
around the block, mate, no one

1019
00:34:42,653 --> 00:34:42,795
cares.

1020
00:34:42,795 --> 00:34:46,145
Um, anything else you guys have
come across in demolition that you-

1021
00:34:46,495 --> 00:34:49,415
No, 'cause I think demolition's kind
of… It's, it's probably flexing a

1022
00:34:49,415 --> 00:34:51,915
little bit out of, like, what I'm looking
for on that side of it stuff anyway.

1023
00:34:51,946 --> 00:34:55,335
The only other thing that I'd add
to this is before you get to site,

1024
00:34:56,105 --> 00:34:57,426
dig before you dig, legal- Yeah

1025
00:34:57,426 --> 00:34:58,046
body discharge.

1026
00:34:58,066 --> 00:34:58,316
Yeah,

1027
00:34:58,395 --> 00:34:58,515
yeah.

1028
00:34:58,526 --> 00:34:59,915
Like, get all that stuff
before you go to site.

1029
00:34:59,915 --> 00:35:00,016
Or

1030
00:35:00,016 --> 00:35:01,775
NBN is probably something
we haven't covered.

1031
00:35:02,465 --> 00:35:04,276
Oh, actually, that's a good point.

1032
00:35:04,276 --> 00:35:04,465
They

1033
00:35:04,465 --> 00:35:06,846
are, they are the hardest
people to deal with, NBN.

1034
00:35:07,055 --> 00:35:12,106
We are talking about NBN from the
moment we chat about feasibility all

1035
00:35:12,106 --> 00:35:16,205
the way through to signing a contract
and saying to clients, "Call them,

1036
00:35:16,296 --> 00:35:17,366
let them know what's happening.

1037
00:35:17,995 --> 00:35:20,566
Don't just disconnect it off the side
of your house, get an abolishment."

1038
00:35:20,645 --> 00:35:21,415
Yep, that's what we do, yep.

1039
00:35:21,425 --> 00:35:23,356
Because if you don't get an
abolishment, then they're gonna,

1040
00:35:23,366 --> 00:35:25,716
when they come to reconnect it,
they think it's just a connection

1041
00:35:25,716 --> 00:35:27,375
fee, it's not a reconnection fee.

1042
00:35:27,456 --> 00:35:27,606
Yep.

1043
00:35:27,855 --> 00:35:29,626
So yeah, NBN-

1044
00:35:29,815 --> 00:35:33,356
We run a conduit to the, to the front
of the property and they can, for

1045
00:35:33,366 --> 00:35:35,725
maximum of three bends, we always
do that so it can go underground.

1046
00:35:36,125 --> 00:35:39,745
But ultimately, like, I keep NBN
out of my scope of works completely.

1047
00:35:39,745 --> 00:35:40,336
Oh, 100%.

1048
00:35:40,365 --> 00:35:42,175
Do not touch service provider.

1049
00:35:42,175 --> 00:35:42,306
I was, I was

1050
00:35:42,306 --> 00:35:45,416
even gonna say before, a lot of the
time significant demolition we're

1051
00:35:45,416 --> 00:35:46,386
keeping outside of our scopes.

1052
00:35:46,445 --> 00:35:48,975
I will now, I don't want full demolition.

1053
00:35:48,976 --> 00:35:49,895
I mean, it's out of my contract.

1054
00:35:49,906 --> 00:35:52,305
We'll get you a price to
start with and help you, but-

1055
00:35:52,305 --> 00:35:53,026
That's what we're doing.

1056
00:35:53,026 --> 00:35:53,165
That's what we're doing

1057
00:35:53,165 --> 00:35:55,156
… 
I, I don't wa- I don't
want a, I want a flat site.

1058
00:35:55,235 --> 00:35:56,135
I want a clean site.

1059
00:35:56,145 --> 00:35:56,165
Yeah.

1060
00:35:56,175 --> 00:36:00,065
So, um, just it's something
that I don't want to navigate.

1061
00:36:00,065 --> 00:36:02,095
Well, I mean, the other thing
too is it's a separate permit.

1062
00:36:02,726 --> 00:36:05,306
So- You don't need me … I,
like, we don't want to double

1063
00:36:05,306 --> 00:36:07,475
dip on the, on the price.

1064
00:36:07,555 --> 00:36:09,045
Like, 'cause we need to marginalize it.

1065
00:36:09,055 --> 00:36:09,865
You may as well-

1066
00:36:09,906 --> 00:36:10,776
And the headache's not worth

1067
00:36:10,785 --> 00:36:12,245
… 
here's our demo company.

1068
00:36:12,245 --> 00:36:13,485
They do this stuff all the time.

1069
00:36:13,495 --> 00:36:13,515
Yeah.

1070
00:36:13,525 --> 00:36:14,305
Deal with them.

1071
00:36:14,385 --> 00:36:14,996
Juice ain't worth the

1072
00:36:15,616 --> 00:36:15,665
squeeze.

1073
00:36:15,665 --> 00:36:15,945
Get it down.

1074
00:36:15,945 --> 00:36:16,345
Yep.

1075
00:36:20,548 --> 00:36:21,188
I'm-

1076
00:36:21,688 --> 00:36:22,388
That's it for me

1077
00:36:22,498 --> 00:36:25,888
… 
yeah, so I think the- Yeah … the key
thing is, like, my site template is

1078
00:36:25,888 --> 00:36:28,718
just built up of experience and, oh,
I missed this and I didn't see this

1079
00:36:28,718 --> 00:36:31,738
last time, or this one had a spa, I
haven't had a spa, gotta add that in.

1080
00:36:31,738 --> 00:36:34,338
So, sort of checklist along the
way about has it got this, has

1081
00:36:34,338 --> 00:36:35,398
it got this, has it got this?

1082
00:36:35,747 --> 00:36:37,797
And it, it's something
that's built from experience.

1083
00:36:37,798 --> 00:36:40,327
We might build one out for this
pre-construction series that people

1084
00:36:40,328 --> 00:36:42,927
can, can access or just provide ours.

1085
00:36:42,937 --> 00:36:43,257
So-

1086
00:36:43,628 --> 00:36:44,008
Okay.

1087
00:36:44,037 --> 00:36:48,277
And, uh, we'll wrap it up with
our, uh, MEGT Mindful Moment.

1088
00:36:48,318 --> 00:36:49,688
Mattie, you got one?

1089
00:36:49,688 --> 00:36:49,907
Yeah.

1090
00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:52,647
So MEGT, Australia's largest
apprenticeship expert.

1091
00:36:52,657 --> 00:36:57,988
So apprentices, the time that when
you come on site, there is usually two

1092
00:36:57,988 --> 00:37:01,368
worth, two, sometimes two years' worth
of work has been done to get there.

1093
00:37:02,027 --> 00:37:05,227
What you need to understand is we
have things like services, gas,

1094
00:37:05,918 --> 00:37:09,527
power, sewer, all these things coming
and being, coming into the house.

1095
00:37:10,117 --> 00:37:12,918
Just don't rip it in or just
don't get a shovel or a bar and

1096
00:37:12,918 --> 00:37:14,427
start smashing it into the ground.

1097
00:37:14,957 --> 00:37:15,948
The documentation's there.

1098
00:37:15,968 --> 00:37:17,317
If you don't know, ask.

1099
00:37:17,317 --> 00:37:19,287
Because one, it can be really dangerous.

1100
00:37:19,587 --> 00:37:22,707
Power, you could just go straight to
an existing underground that you had no

1101
00:37:22,707 --> 00:37:25,868
idea was there, or direct potentially
the wrong person do the wrong thing.

1102
00:37:26,228 --> 00:37:30,098
Um, we, we, we ultimately at
that point, it's arguably the

1103
00:37:30,098 --> 00:37:31,588
most dangerous part of a project.

1104
00:37:31,987 --> 00:37:34,918
So ask, dial before you d- you dig.

1105
00:37:34,927 --> 00:37:37,448
If you don't have it, that is one of
the easiest things you can do is call

1106
00:37:37,448 --> 00:37:38,767
up and they will send you everything.

1107
00:37:39,237 --> 00:37:44,247
Um, I remember when being an apprentice
and someone just was, uh, digging for

1108
00:37:44,247 --> 00:37:47,617
a post hole, common thing for fences,
went straight through the gas main.

1109
00:37:48,167 --> 00:37:49,617
Methane shooting up everywhere.

1110
00:37:49,938 --> 00:37:53,328
Um, so you gotta be very
mindful of what's happening.

1111
00:37:53,328 --> 00:37:53,568
So-

1112
00:37:53,667 --> 00:37:54,357
Is there a cow there

1113
00:37:55,127 --> 00:37:55,197
or was there?

1114
00:37:55,197 --> 00:37:55,242
Pardon?

1115
00:37:55,242 --> 00:37:55,948
Was there a cow there?

1116
00:37:56,978 --> 00:37:57,558
There's methane.

1117
00:37:57,858 --> 00:37:57,968
Yeah.

1118
00:37:58,008 --> 00:37:59,678
Well, isn't it methane's
the gas that comes out?

1119
00:37:59,767 --> 00:37:59,797
Gas.

1120
00:37:59,798 --> 00:38:00,288
LPG.

1121
00:38:00,368 --> 00:38:00,518
LPG.

1122
00:38:00,567 --> 00:38:01,558
LPG, fuck, sorry.

1123
00:38:02,197 --> 00:38:02,477
Yeah.

1124
00:38:02,477 --> 00:38:02,797
There's

1125
00:38:02,797 --> 00:38:03,147
a cow

1126
00:38:03,607 --> 00:38:04,567
… 
LPG, sorry.

1127
00:38:05,188 --> 00:38:06,987
Um, I don't know why I thought that.

1128
00:38:06,987 --> 00:38:07,297
If you're an

1129
00:38:07,297 --> 00:38:08,247
apprentice, don't listen to Matt.

1130
00:38:08,267 --> 00:38:08,477
Yeah.

1131
00:38:08,847 --> 00:38:10,097
But there was, there
was, yeah, there was- I

1132
00:38:10,097 --> 00:38:13,737
guess the point Matt's trying to say is,
like, there is a history, there, there is

1133
00:38:13,737 --> 00:38:16,248
a history to, to get to where you are now.

1134
00:38:16,307 --> 00:38:16,697
Yeah.

1135
00:38:16,777 --> 00:38:19,037
And if you're a good builder and
you've got a good pre-construction

1136
00:38:19,037 --> 00:38:21,977
process, the history should be
there for you guys to access.

1137
00:38:22,148 --> 00:38:22,328
Yeah.

1138
00:38:22,357 --> 00:38:23,377
So just ask the question.

1139
00:38:23,398 --> 00:38:24,578
I think it's as simple as that.

1140
00:38:25,207 --> 00:38:28,587
We ask questions when we're going
a site to do these site visits.

1141
00:38:28,687 --> 00:38:30,958
Ask a question when you get
to site and just think, start

1142
00:38:30,958 --> 00:38:31,937
thinking about these things.

1143
00:38:32,077 --> 00:38:32,497
Yeah, yeah.

1144
00:38:32,497 --> 00:38:33,627
100, 100%.

1145
00:38:33,627 --> 00:38:34,934
Brad, thanks for coming on-
Thank you very much … again.

1146
00:38:34,934 --> 00:38:37,227
We've really enjoyed- Top … having
you on these, uh, couple of podcasts.

1147
00:38:37,387 --> 00:38:37,617
Thank you.

1148
00:38:37,617 --> 00:38:37,797
Cheers.

1149
00:38:37,797 --> 00:38:38,067
Welcome.

1150
00:38:38,067 --> 00:38:38,497
Thank you