1 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,230 Matt Edmundson: Welcome to this week's Crowd Church service. 2 00:00:11,670 --> 00:00:15,460 We are a digital church on a quest to discover how Jesus helps 3 00:00:15,460 --> 00:00:17,720 us live a more meaningful life. 4 00:00:18,190 --> 00:00:22,449 We are a community, a space to explore the Christian faith and a place 5 00:00:22,450 --> 00:00:24,439 where you can contribute and grow. 6 00:00:25,479 --> 00:00:29,949 Our service This will last about an hour and in a few seconds you'll 7 00:00:29,949 --> 00:00:34,620 meet our hosts for our service who will introduce today's talk. 8 00:00:35,319 --> 00:00:39,649 After the talk we will have a time of worship and reflection after which we 9 00:00:39,649 --> 00:00:44,589 head into Conversation Street where we look at your stories and questions 10 00:00:44,950 --> 00:00:46,949 that you've posted in the comments. 11 00:00:48,329 --> 00:00:52,910 Now we want to invite you to connect with us here at Crowd Church 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00:02:28,070 --> 00:02:31,190 this week to Crowd it's, great to be here. 36 00:02:31,340 --> 00:02:31,740 Yeah. 37 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:33,460 Thanks Matt for joining me. 38 00:02:33,510 --> 00:02:35,140 Change, change the schedule. 39 00:02:35,140 --> 00:02:35,940 Change the 40 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:36,339 Matt Edmundson: schedule. 41 00:02:36,340 --> 00:02:39,610 Yeah, it was supposed to be you and Ruth, but I just put your hand up 42 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,810 in front of your eyes like that. 43 00:02:41,170 --> 00:02:41,450 And no. 44 00:02:41,450 --> 00:02:43,146 In front of your face. 45 00:02:43,146 --> 00:02:43,485 No. 46 00:02:43,485 --> 00:02:46,511 Right out in front of you like that. 47 00:02:46,511 --> 00:02:50,511 And cover your eyes and the camera should refocus on your eyes. 48 00:02:50,511 --> 00:02:51,611 And there you go. 49 00:02:52,691 --> 00:02:53,471 Yeah, no, it's still not. 50 00:02:57,171 --> 00:02:57,471 Wow. 51 00:02:57,471 --> 00:02:57,801 Okay. 52 00:02:58,341 --> 00:02:59,971 Welcome everyone to Crowd Church. 53 00:03:00,021 --> 00:03:04,291 This is a very good illustration of one of us being in focus and 54 00:03:04,291 --> 00:03:05,421 one of us not being in focus. 55 00:03:05,421 --> 00:03:07,811 We need to, I need to think about why that's doing that while the talk's on. 56 00:03:07,811 --> 00:03:09,871 We'll have a little think about that, but welcome to church. 57 00:03:09,871 --> 00:03:10,841 Yeah, it's great to be here. 58 00:03:10,901 --> 00:03:11,421 It is. 59 00:03:11,481 --> 00:03:11,671 Yeah. 60 00:03:11,871 --> 00:03:12,261 Even me. 61 00:03:12,506 --> 00:03:12,776 I know. 62 00:03:12,836 --> 00:03:14,486 It's not, we don't normally do host together. 63 00:03:14,496 --> 00:03:16,366 Dan Orange: No, I get to press the buttons this time. 64 00:03:16,416 --> 00:03:18,606 I make mistakes and Matt can just chat and cover 65 00:03:18,606 --> 00:03:18,736 Matt Edmundson: it up. 66 00:03:19,566 --> 00:03:20,986 You know what, it's weird being in this seat. 67 00:03:23,236 --> 00:03:23,996 Dan Orange: I've got the power. 68 00:03:27,096 --> 00:03:27,626 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, absolutely. 69 00:03:28,176 --> 00:03:31,006 So if this is your first time with us, very warm welcome to you. 70 00:03:31,066 --> 00:03:33,446 There are normally two people like me and Dan hosting. 71 00:03:33,876 --> 00:03:36,756 We have the person who sits in this seat just to let you know. 72 00:03:37,691 --> 00:03:40,461 They drive production, they've got all the controls. 73 00:03:40,671 --> 00:03:42,861 And the person that sits in this seat is like the co pilot. 74 00:03:42,891 --> 00:03:43,121 Yes, 75 00:03:43,591 --> 00:03:46,151 Dan Orange: yeah, I get to ask you the questions in theory. 76 00:03:46,221 --> 00:03:46,501 Yeah, 77 00:03:46,811 --> 00:03:49,941 Matt Edmundson: and so you are the main host. 78 00:03:49,941 --> 00:03:52,641 I'm the sort of the co host, which is a beautiful thing. 79 00:03:52,641 --> 00:03:54,491 And so this is what I mean, I don't normally, I normally 80 00:03:54,491 --> 00:03:55,461 sit here where Dan sits. 81 00:03:56,096 --> 00:03:58,836 And so because it's only really the two of us that do all the tech. 82 00:03:58,876 --> 00:04:01,806 Yes, one of us has to be in that seat. 83 00:04:02,456 --> 00:04:03,216 It's essential. 84 00:04:03,266 --> 00:04:04,716 Yeah, it's quite nice that we're both together. 85 00:04:04,726 --> 00:04:06,216 So yeah, a very warm welcome to you. 86 00:04:06,816 --> 00:04:10,486 Dan Orange: And we've got Dave Conn speaking to us today, continuing 87 00:04:10,486 --> 00:04:13,036 our series on becoming whole. 88 00:04:13,466 --> 00:04:16,376 He's going to talk about fasting, which is going to be an interesting topic. 89 00:04:16,906 --> 00:04:17,136 Yeah. 90 00:04:17,136 --> 00:04:18,446 And something that's Yeah. 91 00:04:19,821 --> 00:04:26,521 Yeah, if you're not a Christian or you've not been around, I don't know, 92 00:04:26,921 --> 00:04:29,411 church life it's quite an odd topic. 93 00:04:29,421 --> 00:04:32,311 In fact, it's an odd topic, but it's come back. 94 00:04:32,311 --> 00:04:34,171 It's super trendy now. 95 00:04:34,171 --> 00:04:35,221 Yeah, super trendy, isn't it? 96 00:04:35,411 --> 00:04:36,311 Because it's yeah, 97 00:04:36,711 --> 00:04:36,821 Matt Edmundson: yeah. 98 00:04:36,821 --> 00:04:38,111 Do you do intermittent? 99 00:04:38,111 --> 00:04:39,401 Do you do IF? 100 00:04:39,401 --> 00:04:40,101 That's what they say, isn't it? 101 00:04:40,441 --> 00:04:41,191 Do you do IF? 102 00:04:41,191 --> 00:04:44,121 Yeah, I intermittent fast 16 hours a day. 103 00:04:44,121 --> 00:04:45,061 I'm 16, eight. 104 00:04:45,731 --> 00:04:47,981 And if you're really hardcore, I'm 24, man. 105 00:04:47,981 --> 00:04:48,781 Yeah, I'm like, yeah, 106 00:04:52,226 --> 00:04:53,078 So we're not talking 107 00:04:53,078 --> 00:04:53,962 Dan Orange: about intermittent 108 00:04:53,962 --> 00:04:55,626 Matt Edmundson: fasting, and don't get me wrong, intermittent fasting 109 00:04:55,716 --> 00:04:58,746 is healthy, the science is there, but it's interesting, isn't it? 110 00:04:58,866 --> 00:05:02,506 I hope I'm not stealing David's words, but it's interesting with this whole fasting 111 00:05:02,516 --> 00:05:07,136 thing, because christians and other faiths have been doing this for millennia. 112 00:05:07,156 --> 00:05:07,696 Yes. 113 00:05:07,926 --> 00:05:08,686 And it's like the last 114 00:05:08,686 --> 00:05:10,806 Dan Orange: five years, scientists have gone, this is 115 00:05:10,806 --> 00:05:11,666 actually really good for you. 116 00:05:11,716 --> 00:05:12,456 Oh, no. 117 00:05:12,676 --> 00:05:12,856 Yeah. 118 00:05:12,896 --> 00:05:14,466 And everyone's oh, fasting is brilliant. 119 00:05:14,466 --> 00:05:16,176 Matt Edmundson: And all the Christians are like, okay. 120 00:05:16,406 --> 00:05:17,546 . Okay, we knew that. 121 00:05:17,616 --> 00:05:18,926 I'm fairly sure we knew that. 122 00:05:20,051 --> 00:05:23,291 Now once it's, as soon as you tie it with health, people wanna do it right. 123 00:05:23,321 --> 00:05:25,031 Because there's a benefit in it for them. 124 00:05:25,651 --> 00:05:28,171 You take, if you don't have that, people are like, there's 125 00:05:28,171 --> 00:05:29,221 no, I'm not gonna eat food. 126 00:05:29,341 --> 00:05:29,401 Yeah. 127 00:05:29,461 --> 00:05:30,271 What's wrong with you? 128 00:05:30,541 --> 00:05:33,451 I'm just, you mad go without food. 129 00:05:33,451 --> 00:05:33,721 Why? 130 00:05:33,721 --> 00:05:33,781 Yeah. 131 00:05:34,521 --> 00:05:35,696 And yeah, we're gonna get into all of that. 132 00:05:35,696 --> 00:05:35,876 See? 133 00:05:35,881 --> 00:05:36,206 Dan Orange: Yes. 134 00:05:36,446 --> 00:05:36,656 Yeah. 135 00:05:36,661 --> 00:05:40,436 So let's see if we have people just gonna rob, Dave talk let the may know speak. 136 00:05:40,526 --> 00:05:40,736 Yeah. 137 00:05:40,766 --> 00:05:40,886 Okay. 138 00:05:40,886 --> 00:05:41,396 I'm Sam. 139 00:05:42,006 --> 00:05:43,916 Yeah, so let's get it started, shall we? 140 00:05:43,996 --> 00:05:47,716 And if you've got any questions, just type them in as we're, as the 141 00:05:47,966 --> 00:05:48,146 Matt Edmundson: talk's on. 142 00:05:48,146 --> 00:05:50,516 We'd love to hear from you in the comments, whether you're on 143 00:05:50,526 --> 00:05:51,776 YouTube, whether you're on Facebook. 144 00:05:51,836 --> 00:05:52,346 Dan Orange: Yeah, whack them in. 145 00:05:52,346 --> 00:05:56,166 We get them all here in big writing, so Matt can see without his glasses on. 146 00:05:58,206 --> 00:05:59,226 I said to Dan earlier, with the 147 00:05:59,226 --> 00:06:01,176 Matt Edmundson: way he'd set it up, I said, Do you mind if I 148 00:06:01,186 --> 00:06:04,086 just change this a little bit so I can at least see the screen? 149 00:06:04,306 --> 00:06:08,296 Because he's got his glasses on, I haven't got mine on, so no fair play. 150 00:06:08,576 --> 00:06:11,196 Cool, alright, you're in charge, I was going to say that's from BT, 151 00:06:11,246 --> 00:06:16,136 Dave Connolly: we are continuing our series entitled Unlocking Wholeness. 152 00:06:16,896 --> 00:06:21,996 Today's reading is taken from Daniel, chapter 10, verses 2 and 3. 153 00:06:22,486 --> 00:06:26,686 At that time, I, Daniel, mourned for three weeks. 154 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:30,876 I ate no choice food, no meat or wine touched my lips. 155 00:06:31,401 --> 00:06:35,801 And I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over. 156 00:06:37,691 --> 00:06:42,381 Today, we briefly want to take a few moments to look at the topic of fasting. 157 00:06:44,161 --> 00:06:49,571 We generally don't talk a lot about the spiritual discipline of fasting, and I'm 158 00:06:49,581 --> 00:06:51,831 certainly not an expert on this topic. 159 00:06:53,406 --> 00:06:59,776 According to the media, fasting has become quite trendy in certain parts of society. 160 00:07:01,076 --> 00:07:05,696 I read that you can go to a health spa for a weekend, and they will feed you 161 00:07:05,776 --> 00:07:13,746 apple and celery cocktails, herbal teas, laxatives, bees pollen, blended soups, 162 00:07:14,396 --> 00:07:17,096 and water mixed with squeezed lemons. 163 00:07:18,516 --> 00:07:23,601 I believe this is under their Branding of Detox and Weight Loss? 164 00:07:25,121 --> 00:07:26,791 I'm not sure that's something for me. 165 00:07:28,171 --> 00:07:33,751 Yet, many Christians don't know exactly what fasting is, or are not 166 00:07:33,751 --> 00:07:36,951 clear on how or why they should fast. 167 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:43,351 However, considering that even Jesus fasted, and you can read that in 168 00:07:43,351 --> 00:07:48,711 Matthew 4 verse 2, and that he assumed that his followers would also fast. 169 00:07:50,251 --> 00:07:52,071 It is a Biblical practice. 170 00:07:52,471 --> 00:07:54,101 That we should not ignore. 171 00:07:55,581 --> 00:08:01,071 A definition of fasting is abstaining from food for a period of time. 172 00:08:02,051 --> 00:08:04,561 And there are many different types of fasting. 173 00:08:05,791 --> 00:08:10,601 Usually, fasting means we don't eat food but we can still drink water. 174 00:08:11,826 --> 00:08:17,356 Sometimes it means abstaining from food and water, and you can read about that in 175 00:08:17,366 --> 00:08:20,356 the book of Esther, chapter 4, verse 16. 176 00:08:21,516 --> 00:08:26,616 Then at the other end of the spectrum, it could mean giving up only certain types 177 00:08:26,616 --> 00:08:29,116 of food or drink, as we read in Daniel. 178 00:08:30,746 --> 00:08:36,896 In Daniel, chapter 1, verse 12, it tells us that Daniel abstained from the food 179 00:08:36,906 --> 00:08:44,246 he would have preferred, such as meat and wine, and other delicacies, choosing 180 00:08:44,256 --> 00:08:46,986 to have only vegetables and water. 181 00:08:48,616 --> 00:08:53,496 People also sometimes use the term fast in reference to abstaining 182 00:08:53,516 --> 00:08:56,066 from other things besides food. 183 00:08:56,966 --> 00:08:59,826 Some people fast social media. 184 00:09:00,986 --> 00:09:04,246 The bible even mentions that husbands and wives. 185 00:09:04,661 --> 00:09:10,111 Temporarily abstain from sex in order to focus on prayer. 186 00:09:11,151 --> 00:09:15,881 Now the scripture for that is found in 1 Corinthians chapter 7 verse 5. 187 00:09:17,091 --> 00:09:23,921 The idea is very similar in that we are voluntarily giving up something good 188 00:09:24,201 --> 00:09:27,071 in order to focus on something greater. 189 00:09:27,971 --> 00:09:30,181 That's right, our relationship with God. 190 00:09:31,731 --> 00:09:36,641 However, the word fasting technically refers to abstaining from food. 191 00:09:38,181 --> 00:09:41,841 At this point, it's very important for me to stress that, if you have 192 00:09:41,841 --> 00:09:48,031 a medical condition, or if you are on medication, we must be wise, and 193 00:09:48,041 --> 00:09:50,391 don't do anything unsafe or foolish. 194 00:09:50,916 --> 00:09:53,486 Check it out with your healthcare professionals. 195 00:09:54,676 --> 00:09:58,766 In those situations, you might consider doing something like a 196 00:09:58,806 --> 00:10:03,556 Daniel Fast, where you abstain from only certain types of food. 197 00:10:04,866 --> 00:10:07,676 You might be asking, why should we fast? 198 00:10:08,096 --> 00:10:09,686 That's a really good question. 199 00:10:10,486 --> 00:10:17,536 The main point of fasting is to help us or to cause us to focus our attention on God. 200 00:10:18,961 --> 00:10:22,041 It provides that focus in a few ways. 201 00:10:23,251 --> 00:10:29,371 The time and the effort normally spent cooking and eating can be spent in prayer, 202 00:10:29,791 --> 00:10:32,251 contemplation and reading scripture. 203 00:10:33,611 --> 00:10:39,231 Also, if we wanted to, we could give the money we would spend on food, or the food 204 00:10:39,231 --> 00:10:42,971 itself can be donated to care for others. 205 00:10:44,481 --> 00:10:46,601 When we fast, we get hungry. 206 00:10:47,381 --> 00:10:52,141 I find the hunger serves as a reminder to me why I'm fasting. 207 00:10:52,911 --> 00:10:54,491 helps keep me focused. 208 00:10:55,791 --> 00:11:00,831 Every time we feel hunger when fasting, use that as a prompt to pray. 209 00:11:01,811 --> 00:11:07,431 I feel compelled to say at this point also that fasting without making time to 210 00:11:07,431 --> 00:11:10,251 pray is just another weight loss program. 211 00:11:11,811 --> 00:11:16,341 Fasting for a specific purpose Such as seeking God's guidance 212 00:11:16,641 --> 00:11:22,181 when big decisions are being made, praying about important issues. 213 00:11:22,871 --> 00:11:27,301 This reminds us of the seriousness of the situation. 214 00:11:28,751 --> 00:11:34,781 Without a specific purpose, the focus of the fast becomes the fast itself. 215 00:11:35,661 --> 00:11:38,851 We are just hungry for the sake of being hungry. 216 00:11:40,061 --> 00:11:45,861 But when we fast for a purpose, we are demonstrating the significance 217 00:11:45,861 --> 00:11:48,411 of that which we are fasting for. 218 00:11:49,541 --> 00:11:55,101 Fasting serves as an acknowledgement that we want to seek God even 219 00:11:55,101 --> 00:11:56,561 more than we want to eat. 220 00:11:57,751 --> 00:12:02,331 Fasting can help us focus on the giver instead of his gifts. 221 00:12:03,051 --> 00:12:04,551 Food is a gift from God. 222 00:12:05,141 --> 00:12:09,181 But how often do we fully appreciate God's goodness in how 223 00:12:09,181 --> 00:12:10,961 he provides everything we need? 224 00:12:12,131 --> 00:12:19,171 Going without food or abstaining from any gift of God makes us more appreciative 225 00:12:19,661 --> 00:12:22,001 of both the gift and the giver. 226 00:12:23,411 --> 00:12:26,091 Those are all good reasons for fasting. 227 00:12:27,391 --> 00:12:31,351 I should probably take a moment to highlight some wrong motives for fasting. 228 00:12:32,366 --> 00:12:35,936 Or some misunderstandings about why Christians should fast. 229 00:12:37,876 --> 00:12:40,526 Fasting cannot make us right with God. 230 00:12:40,966 --> 00:12:45,746 It's not a religious observance required to get God on our side. 231 00:12:47,016 --> 00:12:53,036 Ephesians chapter 2, tells us there's no action on our part 232 00:12:53,276 --> 00:12:55,236 that can earn God's grace. 233 00:12:55,796 --> 00:13:00,906 It's only through Jesus sacrifice on the cross that we are saved. 234 00:13:01,936 --> 00:13:05,576 Fasting does not obligate God to answer our prayers. 235 00:13:06,051 --> 00:13:12,371 God doesn't owe us anything and there's no way to put God in our debt. 236 00:13:13,611 --> 00:13:19,401 Fasting does not make God more likely to hear our prayer or do what we ask. 237 00:13:20,041 --> 00:13:27,541 Yet we read in 1 John 5 verse 14 and 15 that he always hears our prayers and 238 00:13:27,541 --> 00:13:29,801 he always acts according to his will. 239 00:13:31,201 --> 00:13:33,631 Fasting should not be done to impress others. 240 00:13:34,271 --> 00:13:39,551 It should not be motivated by trying to show others how righteous or 241 00:13:39,561 --> 00:13:42,091 self righteous, or religious we are. 242 00:13:43,766 --> 00:13:49,176 Galatians chapter 1 verse 10 tells us we should seek God through 243 00:13:49,176 --> 00:13:52,156 fasting, not the approval of man. 244 00:13:53,546 --> 00:13:58,486 In the Bible, fasting is usually prompted by some significant event 245 00:13:58,896 --> 00:14:00,936 or decision that needs to be made. 246 00:14:01,656 --> 00:14:04,806 People fasted to pray for specific things. 247 00:14:04,806 --> 00:14:08,976 We read in Ezra chapter 8 verse 21 and 23. 248 00:14:10,196 --> 00:14:18,971 They fasted when mourning a loss in 2 Samuel chapter 1 They fasted to 249 00:14:18,971 --> 00:14:22,851 repent from their sin in 1 Samuel 7, 6. 250 00:14:23,531 --> 00:14:28,851 They fasted to dedicate their lives to God in Acts 14, 23. 251 00:14:29,941 --> 00:14:37,231 They do it to seek God's guidance, we read in Judges 20, verses 26 to 28. 252 00:14:38,361 --> 00:14:42,781 They also fasted for deliverance from their enemies. 253 00:14:43,231 --> 00:14:46,331 2 Chronicles 20 verse 1 to 4. 254 00:14:47,691 --> 00:14:53,261 Of course we have the freedom to fast at any time, and some people choose to 255 00:14:53,261 --> 00:14:56,611 practice fasting on a regular basis. 256 00:14:57,911 --> 00:15:03,606 Yet, let's make sure that we are fasting for the right reason and not based 257 00:15:03,606 --> 00:15:08,466 on one of the misunderstandings or wrong motivations that I've mentioned. 258 00:15:09,976 --> 00:15:15,256 Let me also say that although Jesus seems to assume that his followers would 259 00:15:15,256 --> 00:15:22,236 sometimes fast, the Bible stops short of explicitly commanding Christians to fast 260 00:15:22,796 --> 00:15:27,836 and it certainly does not say that we must follow a specific fasting schedule. 261 00:15:28,766 --> 00:15:31,706 So don't fast out of a sense of obligation. 262 00:15:32,091 --> 00:15:33,381 or rule keeping? 263 00:15:35,041 --> 00:15:40,581 Instead, let's fast out of freedom and our love, the love that we read about 264 00:15:40,581 --> 00:15:44,691 in Galatians chapter 5, verse 13 and 14. 265 00:15:45,911 --> 00:15:51,221 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free, but do not use 266 00:15:51,221 --> 00:15:53,791 your freedom to indulge in the flesh. 267 00:15:54,281 --> 00:15:59,761 Rather, serve one another humbly in love, for the entire law is 268 00:15:59,761 --> 00:16:02,241 fulfilled in keeping this one command. 269 00:16:02,811 --> 00:16:05,011 Love your neighbours as yourself. 270 00:16:06,246 --> 00:16:12,306 Focus on the goodness and the mercy of God, like we read in Psalm 23 verse 6. 271 00:16:13,176 --> 00:16:17,416 As we draw to a close, could I leave two thoughts with you that 272 00:16:17,416 --> 00:16:20,276 seem to capture fasting for me? 273 00:16:21,006 --> 00:16:27,026 The first is by Dallas Willard, and it says this, Fasting confirms our utter 274 00:16:27,026 --> 00:16:34,426 dependence upon God by finding Him in a source of substance beyond food. 275 00:16:35,856 --> 00:16:43,276 The second thought is by Bill Bright, which says fasting reduces the power 276 00:16:43,356 --> 00:16:49,316 of self so that the Holy Spirit can do a more intense work in us. 277 00:16:50,736 --> 00:16:56,746 My prayer is as we consider this topic of fasting, it draws us closer 278 00:16:57,566 --> 00:17:04,906 to the presence of God himself and we learn of our utter dependence on him. 279 00:17:06,036 --> 00:17:06,256 God 280 00:17:06,256 --> 00:17:06,816 Matt Edmundson: bless you. 281 00:17:09,906 --> 00:17:10,726 And we're back. 282 00:17:10,756 --> 00:17:11,306 Yeah. 283 00:17:11,796 --> 00:17:12,656 Thanks Dave for that. 284 00:17:12,656 --> 00:17:13,926 I love Dave. 285 00:17:13,956 --> 00:17:15,586 Dave's talks are always like short. 286 00:17:15,666 --> 00:17:16,476 Yes, short and 287 00:17:16,476 --> 00:17:16,806 Dan Orange: sweet. 288 00:17:17,176 --> 00:17:19,096 Matt Edmundson: Just like point after point after point. 289 00:17:19,096 --> 00:17:19,996 You're like, hang on. 290 00:17:20,486 --> 00:17:22,296 There's only so many notes I can make. 291 00:17:22,296 --> 00:17:23,201 Yeah. 292 00:17:23,201 --> 00:17:25,166 Sorry, you're in control. 293 00:17:25,226 --> 00:17:25,586 I am, 294 00:17:25,586 --> 00:17:25,846 Dan Orange: yeah. 295 00:17:25,846 --> 00:17:27,496 He just keeps talking. 296 00:17:29,666 --> 00:17:32,490 Matt Edmundson: Sorry everybody, I'm just not used to seeing 297 00:17:32,490 --> 00:17:33,653 Dan Orange: him like this. 298 00:17:33,653 --> 00:17:34,429 So Matt. 299 00:17:34,429 --> 00:17:34,817 Yeah. 300 00:17:34,817 --> 00:17:39,988 What things jumped out to you in the talk? 301 00:17:39,988 --> 00:17:44,153 What was the sort of the You all sort made bullet points. 302 00:17:44,153 --> 00:17:46,733 Matt Edmundson: You mean fasting's an interesting one, isn't it? 303 00:17:46,733 --> 00:17:50,133 Yeah, it's a really Peters has put in the comments, oh, sorry. 304 00:17:50,133 --> 00:17:50,853 Missed the talk. 305 00:17:50,913 --> 00:17:51,783 We'll have to catch up later. 306 00:17:51,978 --> 00:17:53,893 . We're just about to do, we're just about to do conversation 307 00:17:53,893 --> 00:17:55,248 straight now, Peter you'll be fine. 308 00:17:55,278 --> 00:17:56,358 Yeah, we're gonna get into it. 309 00:17:56,358 --> 00:18:00,918 So the talk is about fasting and how, and again, remember the plan here is we're 310 00:18:00,918 --> 00:18:03,618 talking about fasting in the context. 311 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:05,173 of biblical wholeness. 312 00:18:05,183 --> 00:18:08,163 Yeah, and so we're talking about how to be biblical whole, we're talking 313 00:18:08,173 --> 00:18:11,453 about spiritual health, what it means to be a spiritually healthy person. 314 00:18:12,373 --> 00:18:18,163 And that spiritual health is that, fasting is connected to that health, right? 315 00:18:18,663 --> 00:18:19,743 And you're still a bit blue. 316 00:18:19,753 --> 00:18:22,283 I'm just gonna, I'm gonna come back a little bit and see if 317 00:18:22,283 --> 00:18:24,133 I can get on the same plane. 318 00:18:24,133 --> 00:18:25,743 There we go. 319 00:18:27,413 --> 00:18:28,523 Dan Orange: Now we're both out of focus. 320 00:18:29,683 --> 00:18:30,853 Matt Edmundson: Hands up, over your eyes. 321 00:18:31,613 --> 00:18:32,043 There you go. 322 00:18:33,143 --> 00:18:33,823 There we go. 323 00:18:33,893 --> 00:18:34,553 See if that works. 324 00:18:34,563 --> 00:18:36,123 Sorry about the blurry camera, ladies and gentlemen. 325 00:18:36,903 --> 00:18:39,803 Obviously, the lens is not wanting to focus. 326 00:18:39,803 --> 00:18:41,513 Just lean forward and see if it brings you. 327 00:18:43,183 --> 00:18:43,663 Keep going. 328 00:18:49,148 --> 00:18:49,948 It's a weird one. 329 00:18:49,948 --> 00:18:51,178 Why is that doing that? 330 00:18:52,328 --> 00:18:53,138 I really don't know. 331 00:18:53,308 --> 00:18:53,758 Sorry about 332 00:18:53,758 --> 00:18:54,568 Dan Orange: that, ladies and gentlemen. 333 00:18:54,758 --> 00:18:56,988 We thought today was going to be great with our new funky mic stands. 334 00:18:56,988 --> 00:19:01,678 And then the camera that's been there for weeks and weeks, it's just not happy. 335 00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:03,298 Matt Edmundson: Not happy about life. 336 00:19:04,458 --> 00:19:07,648 So yeah, so we're talking about fasting in regard to wholeness. 337 00:19:08,028 --> 00:19:11,428 So we wanted to talk about this as a spiritual discipline 338 00:19:11,428 --> 00:19:12,728 towards spiritual health. 339 00:19:12,728 --> 00:19:16,058 So that's the context in which we're talking about this and the context 340 00:19:16,058 --> 00:19:17,318 in which Dave is talking about this. 341 00:19:18,138 --> 00:19:24,988 is actually someone who is living a whole life is someone that has in place. 342 00:19:26,618 --> 00:19:30,278 I don't want to use the word protocol, but they are people who fast. 343 00:19:30,668 --> 00:19:30,858 Yeah, 344 00:19:30,858 --> 00:19:32,728 Dan Orange: it's part of something. 345 00:19:34,248 --> 00:19:35,128 Matt Edmundson: It's part of their lifestyle. 346 00:19:35,128 --> 00:19:36,927 Yeah, it's part of their lifestyle. 347 00:19:36,927 --> 00:19:42,376 And Dave, I know he would never say this, but I know Dave fast. 348 00:19:43,075 --> 00:19:44,525 I know a bunch of people who fast. 349 00:19:45,005 --> 00:19:48,825 And so it's interesting how this, I think the title of this talk, how this 350 00:19:48,845 --> 00:19:52,465 ancient principle brings back life given principles or something like that. 351 00:19:52,465 --> 00:19:54,465 I should probably look at what the title of the talk is. 352 00:19:54,735 --> 00:20:00,825 But it's really interesting how fasting helps us do that. 353 00:20:00,995 --> 00:20:01,235 Yeah. 354 00:20:01,235 --> 00:20:04,465 And it's one of those things where I think if you were to sit down and go let's talk 355 00:20:04,475 --> 00:20:05,935 about wholeness, ladies and gentlemen. 356 00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:07,860 What's going to make you whole? 357 00:20:08,530 --> 00:20:09,040 Fasting. 358 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:10,380 It's 359 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:10,560 Dan Orange: not 360 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,381 something that just jumps to mind, is it? 361 00:20:12,381 --> 00:20:12,516 Matt Edmundson: No. 362 00:20:12,516 --> 00:20:13,194 Fasting makes my belly empty. 363 00:20:13,194 --> 00:20:14,494 It does not make me full. 364 00:20:14,544 --> 00:20:15,564 It does not make me whole. 365 00:20:15,564 --> 00:20:18,834 And it's And I think this is the thing that Dave was getting across. 366 00:20:19,424 --> 00:20:21,024 Jesus was a man who fasted. 367 00:20:21,024 --> 00:20:22,734 He expected his followers to fast. 368 00:20:23,254 --> 00:20:29,954 There is something quite sacred and something quite divine about this concept, 369 00:20:30,064 --> 00:20:32,354 this idea, this principle of fasting. 370 00:20:32,774 --> 00:20:35,214 Now, Nicola's put in the in the comments there. 371 00:20:35,384 --> 00:20:36,384 Oh, Dan's out of focus. 372 00:20:36,964 --> 00:20:39,344 She can't fast food because of meds, right? 373 00:20:39,854 --> 00:20:42,334 And that I get that, you have to be sensible. 374 00:20:42,344 --> 00:20:43,214 Yeah, absolutely. 375 00:20:43,654 --> 00:20:44,564 With this whole thing. 376 00:20:44,894 --> 00:20:46,684 I don't think if you fast, you become happy. 377 00:20:46,854 --> 00:20:48,244 There's a story in the Bible, isn't there? 378 00:20:48,704 --> 00:20:53,062 About how Jesus is like, we these guys Sadducees. 379 00:20:53,062 --> 00:20:54,238 That's right. 380 00:20:54,238 --> 00:20:54,826 Yeah. 381 00:20:54,826 --> 00:20:58,574 But they would fast and they would pray and they would make big public sort 382 00:20:58,574 --> 00:21:02,634 of spectacles of what they were doing to come across and appear as holy. 383 00:21:03,374 --> 00:21:05,754 And Jesus is like, nah mate, you've had your reward. 384 00:21:05,754 --> 00:21:05,964 Yeah, 385 00:21:06,684 --> 00:21:08,014 Dan Orange: yeah, because Dave mentioned that, didn't he? 386 00:21:08,014 --> 00:21:11,014 It's not about, it's not some religious thing, you do it so many 387 00:21:11,034 --> 00:21:14,354 times a year, you get closer to God, something you can tick off. 388 00:21:14,814 --> 00:21:16,824 When we die, it's okay, I did those things. 389 00:21:16,924 --> 00:21:17,824 That's not how it works. 390 00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:18,824 No, that's not how it works. 391 00:21:19,384 --> 00:21:24,499 Like Nicholas said if you can't fast food, it's not That's not a problem, because 392 00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:27,299 it's about the concentrating on God. 393 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:28,799 It's about giving up something. 394 00:21:29,289 --> 00:21:33,169 If it's something if it's probably a really good one for a lot of people 395 00:21:33,209 --> 00:21:34,619 would be social media or your phone. 396 00:21:34,979 --> 00:21:38,039 Every time you go to pick up your phone, if you're fascinated, you go, Oh, that's 397 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:39,949 a good time to remember why I'm on these. 398 00:21:40,339 --> 00:21:40,549 Yeah. 399 00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:42,769 And it does bring that back to you, doesn't it? 400 00:21:42,849 --> 00:21:43,169 Yeah. 401 00:21:43,639 --> 00:21:45,009 Matt Edmundson: It is a great tool for that. 402 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:45,349 Yeah. 403 00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:49,899 To And I think there are many reasons in scripture why it talks about 404 00:21:49,899 --> 00:21:54,109 fasting and why fasting is a tool in this whole biblical wholeness thing. 405 00:21:54,109 --> 00:21:55,219 There's no doubt about it, right? 406 00:21:55,249 --> 00:21:57,959 And we can get into some of those if you like, but I think 407 00:21:57,999 --> 00:22:02,189 there's a whole I'm sounding very knowledgeable, Matt Edmundson. 408 00:22:03,019 --> 00:22:03,739 Yes, I am, Matt. 409 00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:10,059 So it's one of those where you your primary focus with fasting, I think 410 00:22:10,059 --> 00:22:16,919 is when you're hungry, when you're going without something, it's, have 411 00:22:16,919 --> 00:22:18,679 you ever been so hungry, it's painful? 412 00:22:18,719 --> 00:22:22,239 Yeah, Jeremy, you get I'm just really in pain here. 413 00:22:22,509 --> 00:22:23,479 My stomach is good. 414 00:22:23,639 --> 00:22:25,189 It's normally on a Sunday afternoon for me. 415 00:22:25,189 --> 00:22:26,859 I need food. 416 00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:31,399 But to actually actively go without, it's not because you're wanting to 417 00:22:31,399 --> 00:22:33,149 cause yourself discomfort or pain. 418 00:22:33,479 --> 00:22:36,904 But it's to remind yourself of your dependence on God. 419 00:22:36,904 --> 00:22:37,998 Yeah, 420 00:22:37,998 --> 00:22:40,184 Dan Orange: it's not. 421 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:42,984 The first thing I wrote down, and I think it's the first quote 422 00:22:43,254 --> 00:22:45,484 Dave said was, Jesus fasted. 423 00:22:45,534 --> 00:22:45,874 Yeah. 424 00:22:46,014 --> 00:22:47,234 And he was hungry. 425 00:22:47,734 --> 00:22:49,184 It wasn't some magical thing. 426 00:22:49,244 --> 00:22:52,614 Yeah, that even when Jesus fasted, he's hungry. 427 00:22:52,914 --> 00:22:56,704 I think God definitely helps you with a fast, and he can help you with that 428 00:22:56,704 --> 00:23:01,124 hunger, and he definitely, if he's told you to do a longer fast, and if 429 00:23:01,314 --> 00:23:04,794 he's told you to do it, not that you're just wanting to get closer to God or 430 00:23:04,794 --> 00:23:08,264 something by doing it, if he's told you to do a longer fast, then he definitely 431 00:23:08,264 --> 00:23:14,494 helps with that strength, but, Jesus was hungry, and I think it's that hunger 432 00:23:15,054 --> 00:23:16,904 that helps us to get closer to God. 433 00:23:17,294 --> 00:23:18,244 Concentrate and focus. 434 00:23:19,744 --> 00:23:21,234 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, it's a really important point, isn't it? 435 00:23:21,234 --> 00:23:21,494 Yeah. 436 00:23:21,494 --> 00:23:22,548 It's not 437 00:23:22,548 --> 00:23:23,364 Dan Orange: magical, it's not. 438 00:23:23,614 --> 00:23:28,174 You don't do it to, so God can take these desires away from you. 439 00:23:28,684 --> 00:23:32,224 Hunger is a real thing, we're just directing that hunger to 440 00:23:32,234 --> 00:23:32,254 Matt Edmundson: Him. 441 00:23:32,414 --> 00:23:35,274 Yeah, you're reminding yourself who you're hungering after. 442 00:23:35,274 --> 00:23:35,924 Yeah. 443 00:23:35,924 --> 00:23:38,434 Because Jesus said in that set, when he fasted for 40 days, 444 00:23:38,484 --> 00:23:40,174 you talk about a fast, 40 days. 445 00:23:46,179 --> 00:23:50,429 So yeah, so when Jesus was talking about this, he said, man shall not 446 00:23:50,429 --> 00:23:53,729 live by bread alone, but by every word that comes out of the mouth of God. 447 00:23:53,729 --> 00:23:58,749 And I think when you tie that principle in with scripture, with fasting, you're 448 00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:03,889 like, yeah, I don't, as people, we don't live just on bread alone or on food alone. 449 00:24:04,689 --> 00:24:07,244 We have got to be people of God. 450 00:24:07,544 --> 00:24:08,704 People of God's Word. 451 00:24:08,734 --> 00:24:09,654 We've got to live on that. 452 00:24:09,654 --> 00:24:12,844 We've got to be people of prayer, which Dave talked about next week, 453 00:24:12,844 --> 00:24:15,844 actually, sneak preview, and is gonna be talking about the spirit, the 454 00:24:15,844 --> 00:24:16,974 scripture side of things as well. 455 00:24:16,984 --> 00:24:19,014 So we know that's coming up. 456 00:24:19,154 --> 00:24:22,274 But yeah, shall not live by bread alone. 457 00:24:22,274 --> 00:24:25,214 So it increases your hunger and your dependency on God, which 458 00:24:25,214 --> 00:24:26,304 is an important thing, I think. 459 00:24:26,364 --> 00:24:26,694 Yeah, 460 00:24:27,224 --> 00:24:30,034 Dan Orange: it said, he said, we're giving up something good. 461 00:24:30,194 --> 00:24:31,414 So food is good for us. 462 00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:32,664 Yeah, to get something greater. 463 00:24:33,164 --> 00:24:33,734 Yeah, it's a great quote. 464 00:24:33,734 --> 00:24:34,154 I like that. 465 00:24:34,154 --> 00:24:34,484 Yeah. 466 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:35,784 It is a great quote. 467 00:24:35,784 --> 00:24:35,964 Yeah. 468 00:24:36,144 --> 00:24:37,764 It's not just, it's not just weight loss 469 00:24:38,574 --> 00:24:41,634 In fact, if you look at the medical things, it's not, a lot of the 470 00:24:41,634 --> 00:24:42,579 time it's not in weight loss. 471 00:24:42,984 --> 00:24:46,614 'cause your body goes into if you stop eating for a few days, your body 472 00:24:46,884 --> 00:24:48,984 stops doing stuff and conserve that. 473 00:24:49,134 --> 00:24:49,374 Yeah. 474 00:24:49,374 --> 00:24:51,379 So it's not actually even the best way to lose weight. 475 00:24:51,984 --> 00:24:52,984 Strangely, is it not? 476 00:24:53,154 --> 00:24:58,444 No, I think if you do it for, a longer time it is, but yeah, a few days, 477 00:24:58,454 --> 00:25:01,164 Matt Edmundson: it's not, to be fair, I don't know how well 478 00:25:01,164 --> 00:25:02,494 qualified we are to talk about weight 479 00:25:02,554 --> 00:25:02,764 Dan Orange: loss. 480 00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:07,084 Matt Edmundson: Just calorie deficit. 481 00:25:08,249 --> 00:25:08,849 So you need to know. 482 00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:09,329 There you go. 483 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:09,919 Secret answered. 484 00:25:10,439 --> 00:25:13,239 But yeah, no, I think that's the primary thing, isn't it, is actually, 485 00:25:13,649 --> 00:25:17,239 we are putting ourselves in a place where we remember who God is, and 486 00:25:17,249 --> 00:25:20,749 who we are in relation to him, and that everything comes from him. 487 00:25:20,749 --> 00:25:23,409 And that includes the bread we eat. 488 00:25:23,589 --> 00:25:27,589 And that includes a spiritual nourishment, that whole wholeness 489 00:25:27,589 --> 00:25:28,789 thing, which we've been talking about. 490 00:25:29,589 --> 00:25:32,989 And fasting is a great way to remind yourself of that. 491 00:25:32,989 --> 00:25:37,334 Now, if you're like Nicola, and you can't fast food, And then like you 492 00:25:37,334 --> 00:25:39,754 say, social media, great thing to fast. 493 00:25:39,824 --> 00:25:43,674 Talk about benefits to your mental health being quite extraordinary. 494 00:25:44,414 --> 00:25:46,424 Definitely fast, social media. 495 00:25:47,044 --> 00:25:51,054 And I think that's quite crucial, really. 496 00:25:51,324 --> 00:25:52,424 Is this still blurry? 497 00:25:52,474 --> 00:25:53,214 Sorry, folks. 498 00:25:53,314 --> 00:25:55,174 Dan Orange: It's just 499 00:25:55,244 --> 00:25:55,664 Matt Edmundson: your hands. 500 00:25:55,694 --> 00:25:56,094 Perfect. 501 00:25:56,164 --> 00:25:57,434 In my hands crystal clear. 502 00:26:01,054 --> 00:26:04,469 Dan Orange: I don't know if it thinks these mics our faces, 503 00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:06,199 blurred them into our beards. 504 00:26:06,889 --> 00:26:07,729 Do you think that's what it is? 505 00:26:08,589 --> 00:26:09,529 Go over the top of them. 506 00:26:11,619 --> 00:26:13,959 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, sorry, folks, I'm gonna have to try and figure out why this 507 00:26:13,959 --> 00:26:16,329 camera's messing me around a little bit. 508 00:26:17,769 --> 00:26:19,039 It's just very peculiar. 509 00:26:19,099 --> 00:26:20,369 Let's just lean forward and see what happens. 510 00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:24,339 So yeah didn't the guy who played Thor on the documentary, do a 511 00:26:24,339 --> 00:26:26,009 documentary on fasting on Disney? 512 00:26:26,009 --> 00:26:26,269 Yeah. 513 00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:28,699 Now, this is interesting, because Chris Hemsworth, I don't 514 00:26:28,699 --> 00:26:29,579 know if you came across that. 515 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:34,219 The Chris Hemsworth documentary that he did I wish someone will put 516 00:26:34,219 --> 00:26:36,579 in the comments what the name of that documentary, but he basically 517 00:26:36,579 --> 00:26:38,269 did a series of feats, didn't he? 518 00:26:39,129 --> 00:26:40,689 Like he swam in cold water. 519 00:26:40,729 --> 00:26:46,069 He did crazy heights thing to overcome his fear of heights and fasting thing. 520 00:26:46,069 --> 00:26:47,229 And he did all kinds of things. 521 00:26:47,809 --> 00:26:49,379 But yeah it's an interesting one. 522 00:26:49,509 --> 00:26:50,289 It's and. 523 00:26:51,059 --> 00:26:54,959 Dan Orange: Bamsham says, I want fast TV, but yeah, it is hard. 524 00:26:54,979 --> 00:26:56,749 And that, that is the reason for it. 525 00:26:56,749 --> 00:27:03,019 And it's not something with fasting, and I'm not speaking as an 526 00:27:03,299 --> 00:27:07,039 expert at all, but just build up. 527 00:27:08,189 --> 00:27:13,599 It may be that, I don't know, you get up when you watch breakfast TV, and one day 528 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:14,929 just decide I'm not going to watch it. 529 00:27:15,259 --> 00:27:16,179 Breakfast TV. 530 00:27:16,179 --> 00:27:17,629 I'm involved. 531 00:27:17,629 --> 00:27:19,079 I'm just gonna go check on the camera. 532 00:27:20,739 --> 00:27:23,709 I'm just gonna do something else in that time. 533 00:27:25,699 --> 00:27:28,049 So yeah, and with fasting food as well. 534 00:27:28,309 --> 00:27:32,129 It may be that it is just to give up a meal. 535 00:27:32,589 --> 00:27:36,189 And in that meal, that's the time that you've focused. 536 00:27:36,679 --> 00:27:43,424 Someone put about a bridegroom fast, which is a some people in The church we go to, 537 00:27:43,764 --> 00:27:47,094 often used to do that, which is fasting for one evening to the next evening. 538 00:27:47,134 --> 00:27:50,394 So you still have meals on both those days. 539 00:27:51,584 --> 00:27:53,444 But again it's a discipline. 540 00:27:54,384 --> 00:27:56,504 Matt Edmundson: It is and they call it the blight, the bridegroom 541 00:27:57,034 --> 00:27:58,534 fast because oh, there we go. 542 00:27:58,544 --> 00:27:59,774 I think we're back in focus now. 543 00:27:59,774 --> 00:28:00,154 Yeah. 544 00:28:00,534 --> 00:28:04,324 And they call it the bridegroom fast because it is definitely a folk that the 545 00:28:04,324 --> 00:28:09,034 reason they call it the bridegroom fast is because Jesus refers to himself as 546 00:28:09,034 --> 00:28:10,604 the bridegroom who's coming back again. 547 00:28:11,294 --> 00:28:13,244 And so it's that kind of fast. 548 00:28:13,814 --> 00:28:14,054 Yeah. 549 00:28:14,054 --> 00:28:15,234 Peter says that's a better picture. 550 00:28:15,404 --> 00:28:15,704 Awesome. 551 00:28:15,944 --> 00:28:16,274 Sorry 552 00:28:16,274 --> 00:28:16,524 Dan Orange: about that. 553 00:28:16,684 --> 00:28:18,094 Yeah, that was much better. 554 00:28:18,094 --> 00:28:18,524 Look at that. 555 00:28:19,144 --> 00:28:19,464 HD 556 00:28:19,464 --> 00:28:19,824 Matt Edmundson: and everything. 557 00:28:20,504 --> 00:28:21,564 Starting to see myself. 558 00:28:21,694 --> 00:28:23,874 So it's much better when I'm blurred, probably. 559 00:28:24,514 --> 00:28:26,464 But yeah, the bridegroom fast is all about. 560 00:28:27,409 --> 00:28:31,979 I'm, when I'm fasting, I'm thinking about and praying for 561 00:28:31,979 --> 00:28:33,369 the return of Christ, right? 562 00:28:33,974 --> 00:28:37,724 That's the thing that I'm longing for the screen improvement, Matt Edmundson 563 00:28:37,724 --> 00:28:38,854 has offered, yeah, thanks for that. 564 00:28:40,194 --> 00:28:40,464 Ha! 565 00:28:41,034 --> 00:28:43,254 So yeah, I think, there's, there are a lot of different fasts. 566 00:28:43,284 --> 00:28:44,864 Isaiah 58, have you ever read this? 567 00:28:45,374 --> 00:28:48,244 When it comes to fasting, this is a wonderful piece of scripture. 568 00:28:48,244 --> 00:28:49,864 Let me read this to you, I've got to put my glasses on. 569 00:28:50,474 --> 00:28:52,054 Let me pull up the Bible verse here. 570 00:28:52,754 --> 00:28:59,214 Isaiah 58 says this is God talking, he said, Is this the kind of fast? 571 00:28:59,884 --> 00:29:01,194 that I have chosen. 572 00:29:01,534 --> 00:29:02,314 Let me back up. 573 00:29:04,764 --> 00:29:05,604 Where are we? 574 00:29:10,224 --> 00:29:11,704 So why have we fasted? 575 00:29:11,704 --> 00:29:13,724 They say in verse three, and you have not seen it. 576 00:29:13,734 --> 00:29:16,664 We have humbled ourselves, and you have not noticed. 577 00:29:16,664 --> 00:29:17,744 So people talking to God. 578 00:29:18,154 --> 00:29:21,684 Yeah, on that day of your fasting, you do as you please. 579 00:29:22,194 --> 00:29:23,344 So this is God talking back. 580 00:29:23,514 --> 00:29:24,234 It's really interesting. 581 00:29:24,234 --> 00:29:26,704 And you exploit all your workers. 582 00:29:27,834 --> 00:29:28,294 Okay. 583 00:29:28,564 --> 00:29:28,804 Yeah. 584 00:29:28,814 --> 00:29:32,924 So if you, if you employ people just bear in mind, you can't fast and 585 00:29:32,924 --> 00:29:34,234 exploit your workers at the same time. 586 00:29:34,234 --> 00:29:37,004 In other words, don't be hypocritical, right? 587 00:29:37,194 --> 00:29:42,334 So if you're fasting and you're still doing stupid stuff over here, 588 00:29:42,874 --> 00:29:44,044 fast, you're just going hungry. 589 00:29:44,044 --> 00:29:45,574 I just want to point that out. 590 00:29:45,574 --> 00:29:47,324 I think this is what God's saying. 591 00:29:47,934 --> 00:29:51,134 So you do yours, you please, you exploit your workers, your fasting 592 00:29:51,154 --> 00:29:53,194 ends in quarreling and strife. 593 00:29:53,779 --> 00:29:56,754 and in striking each other with wicked fists. 594 00:29:57,124 --> 00:30:01,044 You cannot fast as you do today and expect your voice to be heard on high. 595 00:30:01,614 --> 00:30:04,424 And again, this is really interesting because if you're fasting, what's 596 00:30:04,424 --> 00:30:05,704 the one thing you are hungry? 597 00:30:05,844 --> 00:30:06,074 Yeah. 598 00:30:06,074 --> 00:30:07,074 What happens when you're hungry? 599 00:30:07,114 --> 00:30:07,854 You get hangry. 600 00:30:07,854 --> 00:30:08,884 What happens when you get hangry? 601 00:30:08,904 --> 00:30:11,104 You start arguing and God's I'm not interested. 602 00:30:11,614 --> 00:30:13,154 So this is really fascinating to me. 603 00:30:13,304 --> 00:30:15,304 Is this the kind of fast that I have chosen? 604 00:30:15,304 --> 00:30:19,364 This is what God says only a day for people to humble themselves. 605 00:30:19,624 --> 00:30:22,934 Is it only for bowing one's head like a reed or lying in sackcloth? 606 00:30:22,964 --> 00:30:26,064 And I said, we won't get into this, but in verse six, it says, is this not 607 00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:28,114 the kind of fasting that I have chosen? 608 00:30:28,204 --> 00:30:29,304 So this is what God says. 609 00:30:30,494 --> 00:30:36,184 To loose the chains of injustice, to untie the cords of the yoke or to break 610 00:30:36,184 --> 00:30:38,254 it free, to set the oppressed free. 611 00:30:38,764 --> 00:30:41,324 and to break every yoke. 612 00:30:41,604 --> 00:30:45,934 Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor 613 00:30:45,934 --> 00:30:50,094 wanderer with shelter when you see the naked to clothe them and not to turn 614 00:30:50,094 --> 00:30:53,004 away from your own flesh and blood. 615 00:30:53,394 --> 00:30:58,134 Then your light will break forth like the dawn and your healing will appear quickly 616 00:30:58,434 --> 00:31:00,454 and your righteousness will go before you. 617 00:31:00,819 --> 00:31:04,039 And the glory of the Lord will be your reward. 618 00:31:04,289 --> 00:31:07,939 You will call, the Lord will answer, you will cry for help, and he'll go, I'm here. 619 00:31:08,329 --> 00:31:09,969 So it's really interesting. 620 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:11,549 Hey Sarah's in the comments. 621 00:31:12,309 --> 00:31:14,019 Hope you've managed to get some sleep. 622 00:31:14,019 --> 00:31:15,439 I was talking to Sarah last week, bless her. 623 00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:17,509 Struggling with the old sleep thing with a newborn. 624 00:31:17,789 --> 00:31:19,539 Oh, yeah. 625 00:31:19,539 --> 00:31:23,969 So yeah, fasting, it's interesting how God's is this not the fast 626 00:31:23,969 --> 00:31:25,139 that I've chosen to break? 627 00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:28,539 to deal with injustice to break oppression. 628 00:31:29,229 --> 00:31:33,389 So you can give your food that you were going to eat to the hungry. 629 00:31:33,459 --> 00:31:36,389 Yeah, it's a really interesting isn't it and Dave mentioned that in his talk a 630 00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:43,519 little bit because that's one thing that I if I fast or when I fast and I'm talking 631 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:48,329 to me more than anybody here when I fast rarely do I go right I'm gonna go grab 632 00:31:48,329 --> 00:31:52,969 that meal that was gonna have and I'm gonna go feed the hungry with it which 633 00:31:52,969 --> 00:31:58,844 is just It's fascinating when you look at this and, oh bless you Sarah, zero sleep. 634 00:31:59,464 --> 00:32:02,314 Dan Orange: In the talk I did last week on prayer, I've been reading 635 00:32:02,844 --> 00:32:05,974 about a guy called Rhys Howells, which I mentioned, called the intercessor. 636 00:32:06,414 --> 00:32:12,124 And he, his whole calling from God was prayer and a lot of that was fasting. 637 00:32:12,504 --> 00:32:14,994 But he actually. 638 00:32:16,649 --> 00:32:19,789 only had, I can't remember now, but it was like, he used to have four 639 00:32:19,789 --> 00:32:21,099 meals a day because he was a miner. 640 00:32:21,109 --> 00:32:26,119 So he'd be working down the pit, and then preaching in the evening, every evening. 641 00:32:26,989 --> 00:32:30,729 And God said to him no, your money is my money. 642 00:32:31,139 --> 00:32:34,849 And this is I want you just to go on two meals a day. 643 00:32:35,199 --> 00:32:36,999 He was never any weaker. 644 00:32:37,219 --> 00:32:38,329 God gave him the strength. 645 00:32:38,869 --> 00:32:39,609 But it was for that. 646 00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:40,879 It was that prayer. 647 00:32:40,929 --> 00:32:44,939 And so that money could go to someone else, which is, yeah, interesting, isn't 648 00:32:44,939 --> 00:32:45,129 Matt Edmundson: it? 649 00:32:45,139 --> 00:32:45,479 Very. 650 00:32:45,929 --> 00:32:46,539 No, it is. 651 00:32:46,579 --> 00:32:50,829 And I think this is the challenge because fasting is not just about me going without 652 00:32:50,829 --> 00:32:52,529 something, although that's part of it. 653 00:32:53,069 --> 00:32:59,039 But it's like taking what I would have had and helping somebody else with that. 654 00:32:59,139 --> 00:33:01,919 For example, The food one is easy, right? 655 00:33:01,929 --> 00:33:07,549 If I fast food, I can give that meal toward the hungry, right? 656 00:33:07,999 --> 00:33:11,439 If I fast social media, it's not like I can give that to somebody 657 00:33:11,809 --> 00:33:13,609 else, but I can give that time. 658 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:14,249 Yeah. 659 00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:17,409 And so I can go go I spend typically whatever, I don't know 660 00:33:17,409 --> 00:33:18,649 what you spend on social media. 661 00:33:18,989 --> 00:33:20,269 But let's say it's half an hour. 662 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,729 And for all of you going, I don't spend that long on social media. 663 00:33:22,899 --> 00:33:24,189 Just put a little timer on your phone. 664 00:33:24,849 --> 00:33:25,719 You'll be surprised. 665 00:33:26,449 --> 00:33:27,049 But it's like. 666 00:33:28,064 --> 00:33:32,134 Okay, I'm going to fast social media and then I'm going to give that 30 minutes 667 00:33:32,174 --> 00:33:35,354 to somebody who needs that time, right? 668 00:33:36,924 --> 00:33:40,714 And especially if that's time towards somebody who is bound 669 00:33:40,714 --> 00:33:42,514 and oppressed in some way, right? 670 00:33:43,144 --> 00:33:45,804 And so what you're doing when you're fasting is you're not only focusing 671 00:33:45,804 --> 00:33:49,934 on God to look at your source and your supply, you're listening to God to 672 00:33:49,934 --> 00:33:52,204 go, God, where do you want me to give? 673 00:33:52,934 --> 00:33:56,864 What I would normally be doing in this time, or with this resource, 674 00:33:57,124 --> 00:33:58,324 where do you want me to give that? 675 00:33:59,054 --> 00:34:06,424 Now if as Christians, quite rightly, as Christians, we go, I'm going to fast food, 676 00:34:06,424 --> 00:34:10,254 I'm going to fast social media to pray. 677 00:34:11,194 --> 00:34:13,924 I do question if I'm being totally honest, how many of us do 678 00:34:13,924 --> 00:34:14,844 actually pray during that time? 679 00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:17,024 And what that prayer is actually like. 680 00:34:17,654 --> 00:34:19,964 Because fasting is enough, do you know what I mean, it's God, 681 00:34:20,134 --> 00:34:22,164 I've gone without this, whatever. 682 00:34:22,174 --> 00:34:24,484 And so surely that's enough and I'll do a little bit of prayer, but it's, 683 00:34:24,604 --> 00:34:25,704 maybe a little bit half hearted. 684 00:34:25,884 --> 00:34:27,824 I don't mean to get in anyone's case, I'm talking to me more than 685 00:34:27,824 --> 00:34:31,024 anybody but actually taking fasting that one stage further and going, 686 00:34:31,024 --> 00:34:35,244 God, where can I give, where can I sow what I have abstained from? 687 00:34:36,644 --> 00:34:40,124 I think that is the kind of fast we see in Isaiah, and this is where, 688 00:34:40,314 --> 00:34:43,784 again, just to bring it back to this whole topic of wholeness. 689 00:34:44,289 --> 00:34:49,279 Being whole people, when you understand that you are a whole person, you 690 00:34:49,279 --> 00:34:52,049 have no issue taking what you've been given and giving it to somebody else. 691 00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:56,289 Whether that's time, talent, treasure, whatever it is, and so yeah, this 692 00:34:56,289 --> 00:35:02,709 is for me where I, I think it's just such a critical conversation. 693 00:35:03,259 --> 00:35:05,379 Do you know what I mean, that actually fasting I think is more 694 00:35:05,379 --> 00:35:06,549 than just going without food. 695 00:35:06,944 --> 00:35:10,314 But it is in itself an act of generosity, it's an act of stewardship, it's 696 00:35:10,314 --> 00:35:13,794 an act of serving, it's an act of giving, don't know, what do you think? 697 00:35:14,344 --> 00:35:15,014 Yeah, no, 698 00:35:15,014 --> 00:35:15,584 Dan Orange: I think you're right. 699 00:35:15,584 --> 00:35:16,864 And I've got a question. 700 00:35:16,874 --> 00:35:18,834 Do you think it is? 701 00:35:20,264 --> 00:35:21,994 So yeah, I agree with you. 702 00:35:23,314 --> 00:35:24,709 Matt Edmundson: You don't have to, by the way, there's no way 703 00:35:24,709 --> 00:35:25,734 in the box, but I do agree. 704 00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:30,314 Dan Orange: But can we then, we have to be careful that we don't then 705 00:35:30,344 --> 00:35:34,129 turn that fasting which is meant between you and God and to something 706 00:35:34,279 --> 00:35:36,339 that is a bit of a, hey, look at me. 707 00:35:36,389 --> 00:35:36,769 Yes. 708 00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:39,849 I'm not talking about this, but look what I'm, look what I'm doing. 709 00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:44,539 And it just takes that focus that was meant to be for God has gone pear shaped. 710 00:35:44,539 --> 00:35:46,129 It's gone off askew, hasn't it? 711 00:35:46,729 --> 00:35:47,049 Because 712 00:35:47,259 --> 00:35:47,629 Matt Edmundson: we've tried to 713 00:35:47,629 --> 00:35:51,529 Dan Orange: make something out of it when it was meant to be just between us. 714 00:35:51,529 --> 00:35:52,879 Like you talked about the Sadducees. 715 00:35:52,879 --> 00:35:53,139 Yeah. 716 00:35:53,379 --> 00:35:54,319 They were like, yeah, look at me. 717 00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:55,039 I'm fasting. 718 00:35:55,149 --> 00:36:02,389 I know people have done long fasts and They felt that it should 719 00:36:02,389 --> 00:36:04,009 just be between them and God. 720 00:36:04,009 --> 00:36:07,269 So they still continued with their, with their jobs and stuff. 721 00:36:08,369 --> 00:36:11,579 Knowing that it had to be, yeah, between them and God and 722 00:36:11,579 --> 00:36:13,059 not their work is going on. 723 00:36:13,059 --> 00:36:14,279 What's going on with you? 724 00:36:14,279 --> 00:36:15,279 What, it's what God's 725 00:36:15,279 --> 00:36:16,209 Matt Edmundson: doing in you. 726 00:36:17,029 --> 00:36:18,524 Yeah, I think it very much is. 727 00:36:18,804 --> 00:36:22,029 And there's that wonderful Again, going back to when Jesus 728 00:36:22,029 --> 00:36:24,159 fasted 40 days and 40 nights. 729 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:25,509 You talk about a heck of a fast. 730 00:36:26,279 --> 00:36:28,409 And if you're going to do that kind of fast, you've really got 731 00:36:28,409 --> 00:36:29,669 to make sure God's in it, I think. 732 00:36:29,669 --> 00:36:29,909 Yes. 733 00:36:29,949 --> 00:36:30,849 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 734 00:36:30,859 --> 00:36:32,039 It's not something I'd just do off a whim. 735 00:36:32,629 --> 00:36:34,029 But the scripture talks about this. 736 00:36:34,029 --> 00:36:37,029 When he came out, when he returned from the wilderness, when he returned from the 737 00:36:37,029 --> 00:36:39,309 desert, he returned in the power of God. 738 00:36:39,309 --> 00:36:46,049 And there was something in that fast where He is in spiritual warfare, 739 00:36:46,049 --> 00:36:49,329 he encounters the devil, there's the big temptations of Christ. 740 00:36:49,959 --> 00:36:51,559 There's victory in those. 741 00:36:52,019 --> 00:36:54,089 And he returns that in the power of the Spirit, isn't he? 742 00:36:54,099 --> 00:36:56,539 And he does all of this happens after he gets baptized. 743 00:36:56,539 --> 00:36:59,759 But it's it's really interesting how there needed to be this period 744 00:36:59,759 --> 00:37:07,609 of fasting for Christ to deal with the temptation in the desert. 745 00:37:08,149 --> 00:37:13,354 And then to It's not like fasting made him powerful. 746 00:37:13,354 --> 00:37:14,944 I don't want to be careful what I say. 747 00:37:15,774 --> 00:37:19,474 But I think somehow that fasting put him in a place where he could 748 00:37:19,504 --> 00:37:23,414 hear God and be more dependent on God when the testing came. 749 00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:24,134 Does that make sense? 750 00:37:24,134 --> 00:37:26,174 Yeah, and that in itself is more powerful. 751 00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:28,414 Yeah, and this is what we're talking about. 752 00:37:28,414 --> 00:37:33,464 When you fast, when you go without, and you start to recognize who your provider 753 00:37:33,464 --> 00:37:36,154 is, I think more in that situation. 754 00:37:36,154 --> 00:37:38,984 So What's Andy put here? 755 00:37:39,194 --> 00:37:43,414 Don't some guys fast by eating only bland foods? 756 00:37:43,724 --> 00:37:44,194 I know, I 757 00:37:44,194 --> 00:37:47,184 Dan Orange: mean, like the Daniel fast is a just a vegetables fast. 758 00:37:47,234 --> 00:37:51,694 And that's not just being vegan, because vegan, you can have 759 00:37:51,694 --> 00:37:53,344 some, fancy food very tasty. 760 00:37:54,334 --> 00:37:58,824 So it was more about just, yeah, just having those, the vegetables, 761 00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:03,314 again, something that gives you the sustenance you need, but might not be 762 00:38:04,104 --> 00:38:05,774 The exciting thing that you're after. 763 00:38:05,864 --> 00:38:06,184 Yeah. 764 00:38:06,244 --> 00:38:11,204 And my mate did Daniel Fast and you do have to make sure that your family perhaps 765 00:38:11,204 --> 00:38:14,604 just take a bit of time away because it can affect your digestive system. 766 00:38:16,354 --> 00:38:17,764 Matt Edmundson: Open the windows is what he's saying. 767 00:38:17,765 --> 00:38:20,054 It can affect your innards a little bit. 768 00:38:21,414 --> 00:38:22,024 It's really funny. 769 00:38:22,024 --> 00:38:23,054 Yeah. 770 00:38:23,054 --> 00:38:24,168 They do bear that in mind. 771 00:38:24,168 --> 00:38:26,624 But yes, I think some guys fast by only eating bland foods. 772 00:38:26,624 --> 00:38:33,504 But again, you've got to go What is it that I'm doing here? 773 00:38:33,514 --> 00:38:34,424 And why am I doing? 774 00:38:34,434 --> 00:38:36,464 Why is God leading me in this fast? 775 00:38:37,904 --> 00:38:40,174 Again, something Dave touched on, what's the purpose of the fast? 776 00:38:40,184 --> 00:38:42,734 Yeah, you're having a really clear purpose for your fast. 777 00:38:42,734 --> 00:38:43,824 Otherwise, you're just going hungry. 778 00:38:44,254 --> 00:38:46,104 And God, what is it you're trying to say to me here? 779 00:38:46,104 --> 00:38:48,264 Is there something I need to press into you on? 780 00:38:48,354 --> 00:38:49,294 Like Jesus in the desert? 781 00:38:49,304 --> 00:38:52,504 Is there something that I need to give like in Isaiah 58? 782 00:38:53,064 --> 00:38:55,174 What is it you're wanting from me here? 783 00:38:55,694 --> 00:38:58,724 With this fast and is it what kind of fast is it, we're just 784 00:38:58,724 --> 00:39:00,034 in a season of Lent, aren't we? 785 00:39:00,034 --> 00:39:03,254 And so quite popular is people give things up for Lent. 786 00:39:03,784 --> 00:39:05,804 I've given up broccoli, mushrooms. 787 00:39:06,024 --> 00:39:06,874 I'm doing super well. 788 00:39:06,874 --> 00:39:07,094 Dan Orange: Yeah. 789 00:39:07,594 --> 00:39:08,074 Fasting. 790 00:39:08,214 --> 00:39:08,694 How many Lents 791 00:39:08,774 --> 00:39:09,424 Matt Edmundson: have you done that for Matt? 792 00:39:09,904 --> 00:39:12,924 I've just, I'm on my 50th consecutive Lent. 793 00:39:16,869 --> 00:39:20,149 So yeah it's one of those where and I like the practice of Lent. 794 00:39:20,149 --> 00:39:21,789 And I think that's a good spiritual discipline. 795 00:39:21,809 --> 00:39:27,629 Because again, it's I'm giving things up to remember who my provider is. 796 00:39:27,629 --> 00:39:27,859 Yeah. 797 00:39:28,419 --> 00:39:30,279 And I think there's good practice in that. 798 00:39:30,849 --> 00:39:34,179 And I think, I jest when I say I give up mushrooms, I really don't like mushrooms. 799 00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:35,439 Mushrooms are evil. 800 00:39:35,469 --> 00:39:37,819 They're just, I shouldn't say that they're not evil, because 801 00:39:37,819 --> 00:39:38,829 they're obviously a gift from God. 802 00:39:39,379 --> 00:39:42,059 But in my mind, they are rank, let me tell you. 803 00:39:42,419 --> 00:39:45,229 And so for me to say I'm fasting mushrooms, it's not really 804 00:39:45,229 --> 00:39:46,169 cost me a whole great deal. 805 00:39:49,009 --> 00:39:51,289 So yeah, I think, what is it God you're wanting here? 806 00:39:51,319 --> 00:39:52,219 Yeah, in this fast. 807 00:39:52,249 --> 00:39:55,229 And I think it's such a tool that actually. 808 00:39:55,919 --> 00:39:59,319 When we get it right, when we nail fasting, and it's not like 809 00:39:59,319 --> 00:40:00,519 I'm trying to twist God's arm. 810 00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:01,889 I'm not trying to get him to answer my prayer. 811 00:40:01,889 --> 00:40:03,079 It's like my prayer has not been answered. 812 00:40:03,089 --> 00:40:06,109 Maybe if I fast, I'll earn favour in it for God to answer my prayer. 813 00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:06,929 It's not it at all. 814 00:40:07,509 --> 00:40:09,949 I don't think that's a Christian gospel in any way, stretch or forth. 815 00:40:10,449 --> 00:40:12,939 Fasting puts me in a position where I hear from God. 816 00:40:12,939 --> 00:40:14,649 Yeah, is what tends to happen. 817 00:40:15,099 --> 00:40:15,349 Yeah. 818 00:40:15,409 --> 00:40:15,484 Yeah. 819 00:40:16,034 --> 00:40:18,794 And it puts me in a position where I end up being more generous. 820 00:40:19,134 --> 00:40:21,214 We're going to get into this whole generosity thing soon. 821 00:40:21,214 --> 00:40:23,174 Trust me, that's going to blow your mind a little bit. 822 00:40:23,174 --> 00:40:27,154 But it puts me in a position to hear God, it puts me in a position to be generous. 823 00:40:27,594 --> 00:40:33,874 And in those positions, God can break through in me and he can, there might be 824 00:40:33,884 --> 00:40:37,354 things that I've been going through that I've been struggling with, that actually 825 00:40:37,364 --> 00:40:40,004 for a period of fasting I come out of it. 826 00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:42,089 Like I've won something. 827 00:40:42,469 --> 00:40:43,349 Does that make sense? 828 00:40:43,739 --> 00:40:47,119 Let's say you're dealing with something that is a continual 829 00:40:47,179 --> 00:40:49,479 repetitious habit, right? 830 00:40:49,539 --> 00:40:50,619 This is a good example. 831 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:52,489 So people come to me all the time. 832 00:40:52,489 --> 00:40:54,369 I'm struggling with this dot. 833 00:40:54,369 --> 00:40:56,759 And it's a repetitious habit, something that goes on. 834 00:40:57,099 --> 00:41:00,729 And we've tried to, I've tried to stop doing it and doesn't seem to work. 835 00:41:01,774 --> 00:41:03,464 Or I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that. 836 00:41:03,974 --> 00:41:05,604 And what do you think I should do? 837 00:41:05,734 --> 00:41:10,604 One of the first things, medical positioning allowing us to do is to say 838 00:41:10,654 --> 00:41:12,574 let's set aside a period of fasting. 839 00:41:15,074 --> 00:41:17,254 Because I need you to be closer to God. 840 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,689 And I need you to hear him better, and I need you to understand 841 00:41:21,689 --> 00:41:22,869 what he's saying to you better. 842 00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:26,729 And by putting yourself in a position where you don't, where you 843 00:41:26,739 --> 00:41:32,049 voluntarily give up stuff which you like, reminds you constantly to stay 844 00:41:32,049 --> 00:41:33,329 close to God and you can hear him. 845 00:41:33,779 --> 00:41:35,349 And I think when you do that. 846 00:41:35,439 --> 00:41:39,659 And if it's food, you might do it for a few days, you might do it for a week, if 847 00:41:39,659 --> 00:41:43,244 you're doing it longer, again, say, can't say enough, seek medical attention, listen 848 00:41:43,244 --> 00:41:46,744 to the Holy Spirit, if it's something like TV, someone mentioned earlier on 849 00:41:46,744 --> 00:41:51,554 about giving up TV, fasting TV, whatever it is, and you're setting that side and 850 00:41:51,584 --> 00:41:58,184 time aside for God, my experience is when I've done that in the past, like Jesus, 851 00:41:58,184 --> 00:42:01,494 I feel like I've come out in the power of the Holy Spirit, like something has been 852 00:42:01,494 --> 00:42:07,959 broken, like I have Manage to get through that trial, that temptation, and it's not 853 00:42:07,959 --> 00:42:11,799 because I'm using fasting to twist God's arm, it's more that God's using fasting 854 00:42:11,809 --> 00:42:13,209 for me to understand what's going on. 855 00:42:13,219 --> 00:42:13,469 Yeah. 856 00:42:13,529 --> 00:42:14,059 Does that make sense? 857 00:42:14,059 --> 00:42:14,539 Yeah it does, 858 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:15,489 Dan Orange: yeah. 859 00:42:15,579 --> 00:42:16,799 Hopefully I've explained that well enough. 860 00:42:16,869 --> 00:42:21,059 And I think, I've been thinking, so In this series, part of it will 861 00:42:21,059 --> 00:42:23,579 be way I think it might be June. 862 00:42:23,809 --> 00:42:25,159 We're talking about fruits of spirit. 863 00:42:25,729 --> 00:42:27,539 And one of them is far away. 864 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:27,869 Oh, is it not? 865 00:42:28,139 --> 00:42:28,769 No. 866 00:42:28,769 --> 00:42:30,369 One of them is self control. 867 00:42:30,369 --> 00:42:31,749 And that's what I've been asked to talk on. 868 00:42:31,749 --> 00:42:32,749 So I keep thinking about that. 869 00:42:32,919 --> 00:42:33,559 Maybe that one is 870 00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:35,109 Matt Edmundson: because that's like right at the end of the list. 871 00:42:35,929 --> 00:42:39,229 It's like God said, you want the fruits of the spirit of these? 872 00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:40,419 Yes. 873 00:42:40,889 --> 00:42:41,919 The last one self control. 874 00:42:41,919 --> 00:42:42,679 Oh, I know. 875 00:42:44,659 --> 00:42:47,814 Dan Orange: I keep thinking, That's a strange view of the spirit, 876 00:42:48,074 --> 00:42:48,994 what we're going to talk on. 877 00:42:49,334 --> 00:42:53,614 But fasting, what we're talking about, fasting is part of it, isn't it? 878 00:42:53,614 --> 00:42:58,774 And if you are struggling or with any type of fasting, then it's 879 00:42:58,774 --> 00:43:03,954 worth, he's given us that spirit, that that fruit of self control. 880 00:43:03,964 --> 00:43:04,334 Yeah. 881 00:43:07,279 --> 00:43:09,399 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, and actually, I think it's probably the fruit of 882 00:43:09,399 --> 00:43:12,489 the Spirit that's lacking the most in Christian life, especially in the West, 883 00:43:12,539 --> 00:43:14,079 we have no self control whatsoever. 884 00:43:14,889 --> 00:43:16,949 And I feel like the Holy Spirit is bringing that back. 885 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,579 So I think it's probably one of the best talks in the series, because it's 886 00:43:19,629 --> 00:43:23,069 it's just one of those, which is, it's gonna blow you, we're not talking about 887 00:43:23,069 --> 00:43:25,259 willpower, it's not that kind of thing. 888 00:43:25,299 --> 00:43:28,119 This is actually the Holy Spirit helping you to be self controlled. 889 00:43:28,499 --> 00:43:31,339 And I was reading when Dave was talking, I read this scripture here, which said, 890 00:43:31,354 --> 00:43:37,414 1 Corinthians 9 Paul says this, verse 26, I do not run aimlessly, so he's 891 00:43:37,414 --> 00:43:40,784 talking about running a race, and running a race in such a way as to win it, so 892 00:43:40,804 --> 00:43:44,544 I shouldn't peer over my glasses down the lens, it's very rude so he's I'm 893 00:43:44,544 --> 00:43:50,694 running this race and I want to win it I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as 894 00:43:50,694 --> 00:43:56,834 one beating the air, but I discipline my body and keep it under control. 895 00:43:57,169 --> 00:44:00,799 Less after preaching to others, I myself should be disqualified. 896 00:44:01,249 --> 00:44:04,499 And it's interesting when I read that, because that ties into that whole 897 00:44:04,539 --> 00:44:08,079 Isaiah 58 thing, it's like you've done this, but you've disqualified 898 00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:09,719 it because you're in strife. 899 00:44:09,739 --> 00:44:13,019 You're doing all these things that you shouldn't be doing whilst you're 900 00:44:13,019 --> 00:44:16,089 fasting and Paul's no, I have to have that level of discipline. 901 00:44:16,494 --> 00:44:20,194 Which is what I think self control comes down to and he's disciplined, 902 00:44:20,194 --> 00:44:22,674 he's disciplining his body. 903 00:44:22,944 --> 00:44:26,864 Fasting is one of the tools where we can go, I need to get straight. 904 00:44:26,864 --> 00:44:29,174 I need to get some discipline going in my life. 905 00:44:29,854 --> 00:44:33,334 Tie that in a few months time with the talk on the Fruit of the Spirits 906 00:44:33,334 --> 00:44:34,364 where you talk about self control. 907 00:44:35,234 --> 00:44:36,554 You got some powerful stuff going on. 908 00:44:36,754 --> 00:44:40,104 You talk about radical change that can happen to you in your life. 909 00:44:40,524 --> 00:44:42,654 God breaking in and doing some crazy stuff. 910 00:44:43,389 --> 00:44:45,909 Just with understanding the fruit of the spirit of self-control 911 00:44:45,909 --> 00:44:46,899 and understanding fasting. 912 00:44:48,219 --> 00:44:49,089 It's exciting stuff. 913 00:44:49,339 --> 00:44:50,329 It sounds weird. 914 00:44:50,419 --> 00:44:51,019 It does, isn't it? 915 00:44:51,574 --> 00:44:51,809 Dan Orange: It is. 916 00:44:51,809 --> 00:44:54,499 Like you say, it's one of those things you just, you get to the end of the list 917 00:44:54,504 --> 00:44:56,219 and it's just oh yeah, that's pretty good. 918 00:44:56,219 --> 00:44:56,279 Yeah. 919 00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:57,714 But not as a gift. 920 00:44:57,809 --> 00:44:58,709 Not as a, yeah. 921 00:44:58,739 --> 00:44:59,029 Yeah. 922 00:44:59,424 --> 00:45:00,924 Not something that you can actually Yeah. 923 00:45:01,404 --> 00:45:01,914 Matt Edmundson: Obtain. 924 00:45:01,919 --> 00:45:01,974 Yeah. 925 00:45:02,304 --> 00:45:04,814 I love the fact you don't, that's what it says in the comments, I 926 00:45:04,814 --> 00:45:07,574 love the fact that you don't need to be super spiritual to fast. 927 00:45:08,254 --> 00:45:10,294 And you can that's exactly true. 928 00:45:10,324 --> 00:45:11,004 That's so true. 929 00:45:11,004 --> 00:45:13,444 It's not like you need to have a qualification to do this, right? 930 00:45:13,444 --> 00:45:13,654 Yeah. 931 00:45:14,264 --> 00:45:15,164 And that's the beauty of it. 932 00:45:15,164 --> 00:45:16,654 Actually, this is open to everybody. 933 00:45:17,324 --> 00:45:21,854 And I think I guess my encouragement with Dave's talk with this whole 934 00:45:21,864 --> 00:45:28,014 series, is to see fasting as something which is so awesome, and so cool. 935 00:45:28,064 --> 00:45:30,034 And so it's such a privilege. 936 00:45:30,794 --> 00:45:35,344 And actually rightly discerning what happens when we fast can break the 937 00:45:35,344 --> 00:45:39,574 chains of oppression, not just for others, but for ourselves, right? 938 00:45:39,864 --> 00:45:41,974 We can go into the wilderness like Jesus. 939 00:45:41,974 --> 00:45:43,354 We can face the temptations. 940 00:45:43,354 --> 00:45:47,814 We can come out in the power of the Holy Spirit and we can give to the poor. 941 00:45:47,814 --> 00:45:49,194 We can get closer to God. 942 00:45:49,194 --> 00:45:52,864 We can hear what's going on and we can see some radical change in our lives. 943 00:45:52,864 --> 00:45:55,594 And I, that's the thing here for me in fasting. 944 00:45:55,594 --> 00:45:58,024 That's the, that's not how we see it. 945 00:45:58,799 --> 00:46:02,959 But that would be my, this is how we, this is I think how the Bible talks 946 00:46:02,959 --> 00:46:04,769 about it and I'm rightly discerning it. 947 00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,219 It's such a powerful thing when it comes to biblical holiness. 948 00:46:08,219 --> 00:46:09,399 I hope you're feeling excited. 949 00:46:10,229 --> 00:46:13,319 I hope you get the excitement behind fasting and it's just yeah, don't, 950 00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:15,989 it's not I'm going to go and fast all next week, man, because this 951 00:46:15,989 --> 00:46:19,919 was such a great, sermon from Dave and a great conversation street. 952 00:46:19,929 --> 00:46:20,539 That's not what I'm saying. 953 00:46:20,579 --> 00:46:22,099 You've got to, let God guide you. 954 00:46:22,109 --> 00:46:22,349 Yeah, 955 00:46:22,409 --> 00:46:23,229 Dan Orange: yeah, exactly. 956 00:46:23,259 --> 00:46:24,599 And Peter's put there. 957 00:46:24,859 --> 00:46:25,439 Yeah, definitely. 958 00:46:25,439 --> 00:46:26,679 Let God guide you. 959 00:46:26,789 --> 00:46:30,799 It's not something just to go, okay, I'm going to do this for a week. 960 00:46:30,799 --> 00:46:33,469 Now I'm going to do three days or even 24 hours. 961 00:46:33,469 --> 00:46:35,459 It's a big, it's a big thing. 962 00:46:35,459 --> 00:46:38,599 Let God just, yeah. 963 00:46:39,509 --> 00:46:40,754 Yeah, build up to it. 964 00:46:40,754 --> 00:46:43,384 But don't, and it's not a challenge either. 965 00:46:43,814 --> 00:46:47,054 And I think when it gets to a challenge say if you feel you should be, I 966 00:46:47,054 --> 00:46:49,954 don't know, fasting for three days or something, and you get to two days and 967 00:46:49,954 --> 00:46:52,814 then you're like, yeah, 24 hours to go. 968 00:46:54,354 --> 00:46:57,844 I think perhaps your motivation has changed and it might 969 00:46:57,844 --> 00:47:00,294 be better to go to God. 970 00:47:00,889 --> 00:47:01,729 I'm gonna stop now. 971 00:47:01,849 --> 00:47:05,709 Yeah, because my motivation isn't what it should be for that fast. 972 00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:06,169 Yeah. 973 00:47:06,269 --> 00:47:07,759 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, that's important. 974 00:47:07,819 --> 00:47:08,509 I love that comment there. 975 00:47:08,509 --> 00:47:10,289 I think it's something we need to build up to. 976 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:12,979 You can't imagine fasting for days. 977 00:47:13,009 --> 00:47:14,389 No, me either, to be fair. 978 00:47:14,729 --> 00:47:16,989 And I'm not telling you to go out and fast for days. 979 00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:22,389 But what I guess, one I get one thing you can do from a practical point of view is 980 00:47:22,389 --> 00:47:27,369 you can say there is something in my life that I wanted, I want God to deal with, 981 00:47:27,379 --> 00:47:29,564 because And we're talking about wholeness. 982 00:47:29,574 --> 00:47:34,564 So if wholeness is here, and I feel like I'm here, what's in the middle? 983 00:47:34,574 --> 00:47:35,264 What's the obstacle? 984 00:47:35,424 --> 00:47:36,524 What's something in the way? 985 00:47:36,524 --> 00:47:39,064 It could be addiction. 986 00:47:39,094 --> 00:47:43,624 It could be a feeling of, low self esteem. 987 00:47:43,624 --> 00:47:46,564 It could be whatever, whatever state of life you're in, there 988 00:47:46,564 --> 00:47:47,824 could be a whole bunch of things. 989 00:47:47,844 --> 00:47:48,784 It could be sickness. 990 00:47:49,064 --> 00:47:52,214 Whatever is causing you not to feel that sense of wholeness. 991 00:47:52,774 --> 00:47:54,464 Because I think God wants us whole. 992 00:47:54,464 --> 00:47:55,554 I said this in the first talk. 993 00:47:55,584 --> 00:47:58,784 It's not something that we create, it's something we receive, right? 994 00:47:59,224 --> 00:48:03,594 And so what's stopping us receiving that, whatever that issue is, I think 995 00:48:03,594 --> 00:48:07,434 if you this week go before God and say, God, tightly, honestly mixing with what 996 00:48:07,434 --> 00:48:10,304 you said about prayer last week, just being tightly, blatantly honest before 997 00:48:10,304 --> 00:48:14,464 God and going this is what I want to deal with I'm going to pray about this. 998 00:48:14,544 --> 00:48:18,284 And I feel like fasting would be a good thing here. 999 00:48:18,884 --> 00:48:20,214 What do you want me to fast? 1000 00:48:21,404 --> 00:48:23,284 How long do you want me to fast? 1001 00:48:23,764 --> 00:48:26,354 Is there anything in this fast that I need to do? 1002 00:48:26,384 --> 00:48:32,234 Do I need to give time, money, energy, food, etc.? 1003 00:48:32,784 --> 00:48:34,534 And give me some guidance on this. 1004 00:48:34,594 --> 00:48:37,244 And then say I want to do this for the next 40 days. 1005 00:48:37,694 --> 00:48:40,134 Now, I'm not saying you'd go without food for the next 40 days, right? 1006 00:48:40,134 --> 00:48:42,914 But, you're going to pray about this for the next 40 days. 1007 00:48:42,944 --> 00:48:45,284 And it may be God says to you, I want you to fast one day a week. 1008 00:48:45,744 --> 00:48:48,234 Or I want you to fast one meal a day for the next 40 days, or I 1009 00:48:48,234 --> 00:48:51,344 want you to fast TV for the next 40 days, or whatever it is, right? 1010 00:48:52,354 --> 00:48:55,364 And just do, God, what is it you want me to do? 1011 00:48:55,994 --> 00:48:57,654 And see what the Holy Spirit says to you. 1012 00:48:57,664 --> 00:49:00,324 And I am fairly sure we'll have some amazing stories. 1013 00:49:00,844 --> 00:49:02,354 In fact, yeah, Peter's put that in the comments. 1014 00:49:02,374 --> 00:49:05,234 Perhaps next week we can report on fasting, if we have tried 1015 00:49:05,234 --> 00:49:06,564 it, and what we've got from it. 1016 00:49:06,614 --> 00:49:08,454 We would love to hear your stories on this. 1017 00:49:08,464 --> 00:49:08,774 Yeah. 1018 00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,659 We genuinely would love to hear your stories on it. 1019 00:49:12,019 --> 00:49:13,689 Because I think it's such a powerful thing. 1020 00:49:13,689 --> 00:49:14,999 And it just breaks that yoke. 1021 00:49:14,999 --> 00:49:16,259 It breaks that in us. 1022 00:49:16,259 --> 00:49:17,469 And I think go for it. 1023 00:49:17,539 --> 00:49:18,539 Yeah, go for it, folks. 1024 00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:19,279 And you know what, 1025 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:24,079 Dan Orange: It may be at the week, say God said to fast at lunchtime or something. 1026 00:49:25,249 --> 00:49:28,419 You get to the week, and you think all I got from that was hungry. 1027 00:49:28,809 --> 00:49:32,329 But I don't think I don't think you do. 1028 00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:35,609 I think you It's an act of giving as well, isn't it? 1029 00:49:35,859 --> 00:49:38,429 It's I fell from God, I shouldn't eat this lunch. 1030 00:49:38,859 --> 00:49:40,039 All that happened, I was hungry. 1031 00:49:40,429 --> 00:49:43,519 But I did it because I felt, yeah, I should do it. 1032 00:49:43,549 --> 00:49:44,489 And God asked me to. 1033 00:49:44,709 --> 00:49:45,899 And so just being obedient. 1034 00:49:45,959 --> 00:49:46,249 Yes. 1035 00:49:46,459 --> 00:49:46,579 And 1036 00:49:46,579 --> 00:49:47,829 Matt Edmundson: sometimes it's, that's being obedient. 1037 00:49:47,899 --> 00:49:48,329 Yeah. 1038 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:49,819 Obedience is better than sacrifice. 1039 00:49:49,859 --> 00:49:50,099 Yeah. 1040 00:49:50,179 --> 00:49:51,329 And so just going and doing that. 1041 00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:51,719 Yeah. 1042 00:49:51,779 --> 00:49:52,879 But again, supercharge it. 1043 00:49:52,879 --> 00:49:55,489 If God tells you to fast lunch, take your lunch and give it to somebody else. 1044 00:49:56,389 --> 00:49:58,249 Just give it to someone in work, give it to someone who's 1045 00:49:58,619 --> 00:50:00,219 whatever, someone who's homeless. 1046 00:50:00,819 --> 00:50:01,249 I think 1047 00:50:01,479 --> 00:50:02,779 Dan Orange: I think I've done that before. 1048 00:50:02,789 --> 00:50:06,969 In the past, I've gone, I was meant to fast today, and I've got my lunch with me. 1049 00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:07,809 I'll better eat it. 1050 00:50:07,889 --> 00:50:10,109 Perhaps I should have given it 1051 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:10,779 Matt Edmundson: away. 1052 00:50:10,979 --> 00:50:13,949 Yeah, I think I you know it's just being a bit creative with it and 1053 00:50:13,949 --> 00:50:17,469 just letting God do his thing and not getting so tied up with a formula. 1054 00:50:17,939 --> 00:50:20,309 And just put there, it's a contrast in a world of insight. 1055 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:21,499 Absolutely. 1056 00:50:22,479 --> 00:50:24,209 You've hit the nail on the head there, bro. 1057 00:50:24,799 --> 00:50:25,769 Because I think that's right, isn't it? 1058 00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:29,579 It's yeah, We live in a world which says, I deserve everything 1059 00:50:29,579 --> 00:50:30,569 that I get and I want it all. 1060 00:50:30,569 --> 00:50:33,509 And I want it all now, and I want it all instantly and I should have it. 1061 00:50:34,019 --> 00:50:36,269 And God's going, you could probably do that. 1062 00:50:36,479 --> 00:50:36,689 Yeah. 1063 00:50:37,049 --> 00:50:41,519 But if you want to be whole, just learn to fast and you're like, 1064 00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:43,049 God, I don't get your logic. 1065 00:50:43,169 --> 00:50:44,189 I think I do. 1066 00:50:44,189 --> 00:50:45,269 I actually a little bit with this. 1067 00:50:45,789 --> 00:50:47,749 But it's I just love the simplicity of the gospel. 1068 00:50:48,219 --> 00:50:49,369 I love the simplicity of God. 1069 00:50:49,369 --> 00:50:51,209 It's yes, it's not about what you've got, guys. 1070 00:50:51,229 --> 00:50:52,519 It doesn't depend entirely on this with 1071 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:52,539 Dan Orange: you. 1072 00:50:52,799 --> 00:50:56,239 I love, there's a quote going around from Jim Carrey. 1073 00:50:56,809 --> 00:50:57,499 Have you heard it? 1074 00:50:57,509 --> 00:51:03,749 That he says, everyone, he said, I wish everyone could have anything 1075 00:51:03,749 --> 00:51:08,739 they, to have fame, have everything they ever needed to realize. 1076 00:51:09,214 --> 00:51:09,934 It's not the answer. 1077 00:51:09,974 --> 00:51:10,794 It's not the answer. 1078 00:51:10,844 --> 00:51:11,054 Yeah. 1079 00:51:11,054 --> 00:51:12,014 Yeah. 1080 00:51:12,014 --> 00:51:12,714 Matt Edmundson: So true. 1081 00:51:12,794 --> 00:51:13,034 Yeah. 1082 00:51:13,084 --> 00:51:13,404 Yeah. 1083 00:51:13,404 --> 00:51:14,014 So true. 1084 00:51:14,534 --> 00:51:15,964 I'm going to fast rubbish TV. 1085 00:51:16,484 --> 00:51:18,054 I, that's a good thing. 1086 00:51:18,054 --> 00:51:20,664 I don't know whether rubbish TV is one of the strongholds in your life. 1087 00:51:20,704 --> 00:51:21,084 Do you know what I mean? 1088 00:51:21,084 --> 00:51:22,204 It's one of those kind of things. 1089 00:51:22,204 --> 00:51:23,704 But yeah, totally. 1090 00:51:23,724 --> 00:51:27,264 Whatever God's saying, that would be my, my, my challenge to us all this week. 1091 00:51:27,274 --> 00:51:28,894 What is God saying to you? 1092 00:51:28,934 --> 00:51:32,489 And if you're listening on catch up, And you're listening to this in a week's 1093 00:51:32,489 --> 00:51:33,749 time, don't think I'll go away with it. 1094 00:51:35,959 --> 00:51:39,179 Just be genuine before God and just go, God, what can we do here? 1095 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:41,279 And just enjoy the journey. 1096 00:51:41,539 --> 00:51:44,369 Because I like I say, there's some amazing stuff in there. 1097 00:51:44,379 --> 00:51:47,239 So yeah, hopefully you've got something out of this tonight. 1098 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,119 Yeah, because I'm excited by the topic of fasting. 1099 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:51,949 And I think just talking about it, just thinking about it. 1100 00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:55,029 I'm probably I'm like, yeah, I'm more excited now. 1101 00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:55,319 Yes. 1102 00:51:55,529 --> 00:51:55,779 Yeah, 1103 00:51:55,779 --> 00:51:56,139 Dan Orange: absolutely. 1104 00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:57,149 Yes. 1105 00:51:57,209 --> 00:51:57,549 Yeah. 1106 00:51:57,839 --> 00:51:58,279 Whereas before 1107 00:51:58,279 --> 00:52:02,239 Matt Edmundson: I'm always like, You just have these little pep talks, 1108 00:52:02,289 --> 00:52:04,779 you just read the scriptures about it and find out what it's really saying. 1109 00:52:04,789 --> 00:52:05,219 Okay, cool. 1110 00:52:05,289 --> 00:52:05,539 Yeah. 1111 00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:05,739 Okay. 1112 00:52:05,879 --> 00:52:06,059 Dan Orange: Come on. 1113 00:52:06,699 --> 00:52:09,239 I think we better draw this to a close. 1114 00:52:10,019 --> 00:52:11,659 I'm going to draw it to a close. 1115 00:52:11,659 --> 00:52:13,819 I don't know why I said that, I never say that in real life. 1116 00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:17,459 Matt Edmundson: I'm going to draw it to a close. 1117 00:52:17,459 --> 00:52:18,709 Do you want to tell folks what's 1118 00:52:18,709 --> 00:52:18,989 Dan Orange: happening next? 1119 00:52:18,999 --> 00:52:25,309 Yeah, so next week Anna is going to talk about the Word of God, which is 1120 00:52:27,399 --> 00:52:29,639 definitely the answer to getting us whole. 1121 00:52:29,789 --> 00:52:30,459 Ah, yeah. 1122 00:52:30,459 --> 00:52:35,299 We couldn't have done any of the other talks without Hearing from God, obviously, 1123 00:52:35,299 --> 00:52:39,969 we can hear sometimes God's direct word, or he directs us in thoughts, but 1124 00:52:40,759 --> 00:52:43,509 man, the Word of God's written there, black and white, isn't it for us? 1125 00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:44,199 Yeah, it is. 1126 00:52:44,479 --> 00:52:45,169 Looking forward to that. 1127 00:52:45,369 --> 00:52:45,569 Yeah. 1128 00:52:45,569 --> 00:52:45,629 And 1129 00:52:45,629 --> 00:52:46,459 Matt Edmundson: Anna's just a legend. 1130 00:52:46,459 --> 00:52:46,799 Yeah. 1131 00:52:46,889 --> 00:52:47,759 She's a great speaker. 1132 00:52:47,759 --> 00:52:48,949 And looking forward to that. 1133 00:52:49,299 --> 00:52:49,919 Who's hosting? 1134 00:52:49,929 --> 00:52:50,609 Are you hosting? 1135 00:52:50,619 --> 00:52:51,389 Am I hosting? 1136 00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:52,759 I'm not hosting. 1137 00:52:52,959 --> 00:52:54,135 Oh, it's going to be me then, isn't it? 1138 00:52:54,135 --> 00:52:54,609 Have a look. 1139 00:52:55,209 --> 00:52:56,459 Let's have a look who's hosting. 1140 00:52:56,459 --> 00:52:57,369 Peter says he's got to go. 1141 00:52:57,389 --> 00:52:58,399 Great to be with you, Peter. 1142 00:52:58,399 --> 00:52:58,699 Thanks for joining us. 1143 00:52:58,699 --> 00:52:59,939 Yeah, thanks for joining us. 1144 00:53:00,369 --> 00:53:01,359 Yeah, absolute legend. 1145 00:53:01,399 --> 00:53:02,699 Oh, it's me and Jan Birch. 1146 00:53:03,959 --> 00:53:04,349 Awesome. 1147 00:53:05,219 --> 00:53:06,429 So you know that's going to be funny. 1148 00:53:07,729 --> 00:53:09,029 Jan's an absolute legend. 1149 00:53:09,669 --> 00:53:13,189 But yeah, so join us next week as we talk about scripture. 1150 00:53:13,869 --> 00:53:15,339 Yeah, because you've not got the stream deck. 1151 00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:17,639 If you just push that little globe thing on the stream deck. 1152 00:53:17,689 --> 00:53:18,129 There you go. 1153 00:53:18,229 --> 00:53:18,699 Dan Orange: What's this? 1154 00:53:19,414 --> 00:53:20,784 Hey, look at that. 1155 00:53:21,534 --> 00:53:22,714 That's how you can contact us. 1156 00:53:23,924 --> 00:53:26,044 Contact us at Crowd Church. 1157 00:53:26,044 --> 00:53:26,209 Did 1158 00:53:26,209 --> 00:53:27,474 Matt Edmundson: you just say contacted us? 1159 00:53:27,614 --> 00:53:28,424 Contact us. 1160 00:53:28,604 --> 00:53:29,224 Oh, contact. 1161 00:53:29,854 --> 00:53:31,294 Sorry, it sounded like contacted us. 1162 00:53:32,964 --> 00:53:33,174 And 1163 00:53:33,174 --> 00:53:35,574 Dan Orange: that's how you, that's how you can contact us. 1164 00:53:37,294 --> 00:53:37,384 www. 1165 00:53:37,384 --> 00:53:37,634 crowd. 1166 00:53:37,874 --> 00:53:38,404 church. 1167 00:53:38,724 --> 00:53:39,854 And there's WhatsApp as well. 1168 00:53:39,874 --> 00:53:43,394 So if you go on the website, you can find the WhatsApp and just 1169 00:53:43,444 --> 00:53:48,184 message us if you've got any, if you've got anything that you want. 1170 00:53:48,739 --> 00:53:51,979 If you'd like someone to pray for you, if you've got a situation that's 1171 00:53:51,989 --> 00:53:54,319 going on, please just, yeah, contact 1172 00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:54,469 Matt Edmundson: us. 1173 00:53:54,469 --> 00:53:55,159 We'd love to pray. 1174 00:53:55,709 --> 00:53:58,459 We would, and just being totally transparent, we've had a bunch of 1175 00:53:58,489 --> 00:54:03,699 people contact us this week about prayer, with prayer requests, praying 1176 00:54:03,699 --> 00:54:06,839 for people's marriages, praying for jobs, praying for financial provision. 1177 00:54:07,259 --> 00:54:07,969 All kinds of stuff. 1178 00:54:07,969 --> 00:54:10,399 So if you've got anything you'd like us to pray about, do let us know. 1179 00:54:10,419 --> 00:54:11,669 We would love to pray for you. 1180 00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:12,879 Any midweek stuff? 1181 00:54:12,909 --> 00:54:13,539 Yes, we have. 1182 00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:17,439 If you would like to join us midweek for our Zoom call, our Zoom community 1183 00:54:17,439 --> 00:54:19,209 calls, it'd be great to see you in there. 1184 00:54:19,229 --> 00:54:20,669 We have community meetings. 1185 00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:23,219 You can find all the information on the website, www. 1186 00:54:23,279 --> 00:54:23,679 crowd. 1187 00:54:23,899 --> 00:54:24,199 church. 1188 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,199 It is all there. 1189 00:54:25,579 --> 00:54:27,549 And the one thing I meant to say earlier that I completely forgot, 1190 00:54:27,549 --> 00:54:28,819 you didn't remind me, Online Alpha. 1191 00:54:29,289 --> 00:54:29,879 Oh, yes. 1192 00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:30,589 Online Alpha, Matt. 1193 00:54:30,589 --> 00:54:31,199 Online Alpha. 1194 00:54:31,499 --> 00:54:33,819 So we've had a few folks reach out to us and ask if we can 1195 00:54:33,819 --> 00:54:35,039 do an Online Alpha course. 1196 00:54:36,169 --> 00:54:37,019 Because they want to do it. 1197 00:54:37,019 --> 00:54:38,229 And so we're like, sure, why not? 1198 00:54:38,259 --> 00:54:43,249 So if you or you anybody, would like to join us for an online alpha, we're 1199 00:54:43,249 --> 00:54:45,029 going to be starting one real, real soon. 1200 00:54:45,029 --> 00:54:48,619 So it's going to be in the evenings, UK evening time, we've not really 1201 00:54:48,629 --> 00:54:50,359 set which day it's going to be yet. 1202 00:54:50,894 --> 00:54:53,424 But if you would like to be involved in that, we would love to hear from you. 1203 00:54:53,424 --> 00:54:55,684 Just reach out to us on the website, www. 1204 00:54:55,684 --> 00:54:55,934 crowd. 1205 00:54:56,044 --> 00:54:57,854 church, or www. 1206 00:54:57,854 --> 00:54:58,064 crowd. 1207 00:54:58,164 --> 00:55:03,364 church, or you can find us on Instagram or Facebook at Crowd Church. 1208 00:55:03,364 --> 00:55:05,904 Just message us that you'd be interested in doing the online 1209 00:55:05,904 --> 00:55:07,664 alpha and we will be in touch. 1210 00:55:07,674 --> 00:55:10,414 Really excited about that story and probably in the next week or so. 1211 00:55:10,414 --> 00:55:11,644 So keep your eyes peeled for that. 1212 00:55:12,004 --> 00:55:12,824 We'll let you know more. 1213 00:55:13,114 --> 00:55:17,114 Dan Orange: And I thought I'd just say, so a few weeks ago I was with Ruth 1214 00:55:17,184 --> 00:55:20,124 and I was saying yeah, We were talking about, I can't remember what we were 1215 00:55:20,144 --> 00:55:27,354 talking about God and prayer requests, and I was saying, yeah, I've got stuff 1216 00:55:27,504 --> 00:55:33,014 going on in my life, and God's really provided because it was I'm self employed, 1217 00:55:33,014 --> 00:55:37,244 it's my own business When someone doesn't employ me, I don't get paid. 1218 00:55:37,364 --> 00:55:38,824 So I'm starting a massive job tomorrow. 1219 00:55:38,914 --> 00:55:39,164 Yeah. 1220 00:55:39,164 --> 00:55:41,154 And that's a great answer. 1221 00:55:41,814 --> 00:55:42,504 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, absolutely. 1222 00:55:42,604 --> 00:55:43,194 Yeah, absolutely. 1223 00:55:43,194 --> 00:55:44,014 So prayer works. 1224 00:55:45,234 --> 00:55:47,114 You can press the globe thing on the thing, it will take 1225 00:55:47,114 --> 00:55:47,844 the thing off the screen. 1226 00:55:47,894 --> 00:55:48,584 There you go. 1227 00:55:49,794 --> 00:55:50,794 Hey, there we go. 1228 00:55:51,544 --> 00:55:51,954 Brilliant. 1229 00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:55,829 It's just weird sitting in this chair. 1230 00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:56,409 I'm not gonna lie. 1231 00:55:57,559 --> 00:55:58,449 I don't know how well I did. 1232 00:55:59,029 --> 00:56:00,419 I'm really rubbish being a 1233 00:56:00,419 --> 00:56:00,769 Dan Orange: guest. 1234 00:56:01,289 --> 00:56:02,589 We'll see you all next week. 1235 00:56:02,709 --> 00:56:03,079 Absolutely. 1236 00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:03,359 Yeah. 1237 00:56:03,579 --> 00:56:04,259 Thank you very much. 1238 00:56:04,749 --> 00:56:05,239 Bye. 1239 00:56:07,234 --> 00:56:11,024 Matt Edmundson: Thank you so much for joining us here on Crowd Church. 1240 00:56:11,374 --> 00:56:16,284 Now if you are watching on YouTube, make sure you hit the subscribe button as well 1241 00:56:16,284 --> 00:56:17,564 as that little tiny 1242 00:56:17,574 --> 00:56:22,264 bell notification to get notified the next time we are live. 1243 00:56:22,354 --> 00:56:26,229 And of course, If you are listening to the podcast the live stream podcast, 1244 00:56:26,259 --> 00:56:29,689 make sure you also hit the follow button. 1245 00:56:29,989 --> 00:56:35,689 Now by smashing the like button on YouTube or writing a review on your podcast 1246 00:56:35,739 --> 00:56:40,839 platform, it helps us reach more people with the message that Jesus really does 1247 00:56:40,839 --> 00:56:43,299 help us live a more meaningful life. 1248 00:56:43,369 --> 00:56:44,759 and Purposeful Life. 1249 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:51,289 So if you haven't done so already, be sure to check out our website www. 1250 00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:51,709 crowd. 1251 00:56:52,029 --> 00:56:56,629 church where you can learn more about us as a church, more about 1252 00:56:56,639 --> 00:57:01,619 the Christian faith, and also how to connect into our church community. 1253 00:57:02,349 --> 00:57:07,684 It has been awesome to connect with you and you are awesome. 1254 00:57:07,824 --> 00:57:12,874 It's just a burden you have to bear and hopefully we'll see you next time. 1255 00:57:13,044 --> 00:57:13,794 That's it from us. 1256 00:57:13,944 --> 00:57:14,654 God bless you. 1257 00:57:15,304 --> 00:57:15,774 Bye for now.