1 00:00:03,341 --> 00:00:04,091 Rinat Malik: Hi everyone. 2 00:00:04,211 --> 00:00:08,761 Welcome to another episode of Tech Talk, a podcast where Amit 3 00:00:08,761 --> 00:00:10,891 and I talk about all things tech. 4 00:00:11,311 --> 00:00:16,201 We don't just talk about tech, we also talk about our society, culture and 5 00:00:16,206 --> 00:00:18,691 how the tech affects everything else. 6 00:00:19,411 --> 00:00:24,936 So today we're gonna talk about social media addiction, and this 7 00:00:24,936 --> 00:00:31,436 is a scenario that has come about because of the advancement of tech. 8 00:00:31,436 --> 00:00:31,676 we've 9 00:00:31,676 --> 00:00:35,276 become more and more dependent on tech, and it has started 10 00:00:35,281 --> 00:00:37,466 taking a lot of our attention. 11 00:00:37,956 --> 00:00:43,546 this is a very fitting topic for us to talk about And on top of that, 12 00:00:43,546 --> 00:00:49,906 I am a, if I wanna say victim, I am a victim of it myself, and 13 00:00:49,906 --> 00:00:52,276 we'll find out about Amit as well. 14 00:00:52,666 --> 00:00:53,896 So, yeah, very. 15 00:00:54,606 --> 00:00:58,296 Excited to talk about social media addiction today. 16 00:00:58,366 --> 00:00:59,806 hopefully you guys enjoy it. 17 00:00:59,806 --> 00:01:03,291 So, Amit, what's your thought on, social media addiction? 18 00:01:03,831 --> 00:01:06,206 Amit Sarkar: I think, I, I think, yeah, it's, it's a very relevant 19 00:01:06,206 --> 00:01:10,586 topic and we all have been facing with this issue lately, especially 20 00:01:10,586 --> 00:01:14,526 with the advent of so many, apps that are so easily available on our phone. 21 00:01:14,796 --> 00:01:17,766 But I think just to break it down, for people who don't know what social media 22 00:01:17,766 --> 00:01:23,006 is, so when we talk about media, media could be an audio file, video, an image. 23 00:01:23,366 --> 00:01:25,481 So that's, we define as media. 24 00:01:25,751 --> 00:01:28,936 And social is anything where you are meeting a lot of people. 25 00:01:29,111 --> 00:01:33,171 So, on an app, especially when you are meeting a lot of people or where 26 00:01:33,171 --> 00:01:37,691 you can connect with other people, strangers, influencers, companies, 27 00:01:38,001 --> 00:01:39,711 so that's, what we call social. 28 00:01:40,011 --> 00:01:45,221 So it's no longer, just you and your, day-to-Day happenings, but 29 00:01:45,221 --> 00:01:48,881 it's now connected with others and what they're doing and, how they 30 00:01:48,881 --> 00:01:50,231 are progressing in their life. 31 00:01:50,501 --> 00:01:53,371 So that's what I, define by, social media. 32 00:01:53,761 --> 00:01:57,216 And when we talk about addiction, the addiction is basically, how much time 33 00:01:57,216 --> 00:02:00,766 we are spending on these apps why are we spending so much time on these apps 34 00:02:01,036 --> 00:02:02,896 why is it relevant to talk about it now? 35 00:02:03,226 --> 00:02:05,911 So I think, it's a, it's a good topic to discuss. 36 00:02:07,036 --> 00:02:07,696 Rinat Malik: Absolutely. 37 00:02:07,696 --> 00:02:09,691 you just, made me think of something. 38 00:02:09,721 --> 00:02:13,261 you've mentioned you, you've dissected the term social and 39 00:02:13,261 --> 00:02:15,336 media and, we understand that now. 40 00:02:15,726 --> 00:02:19,236 But I also want to talk about what are the other media? 41 00:02:19,326 --> 00:02:23,796 So traditional media is the opposing side of social media. 42 00:02:24,186 --> 00:02:30,536 So, for those of you who were, millennials who knows about other media and how 43 00:02:30,541 --> 00:02:32,981 prevalent they were when growing up. 44 00:02:32,981 --> 00:02:37,141 So, when we talk about social media the opposing side is traditional media, 45 00:02:37,141 --> 00:02:40,831 and that is radio, television, etc. 46 00:02:41,201 --> 00:02:47,051 when we were growing up, traditional media or tv, radio took a major 47 00:02:47,051 --> 00:02:48,851 part of our entertainment. 48 00:02:48,881 --> 00:02:50,351 And I remember I. 49 00:02:50,696 --> 00:02:55,286 coming back from school, I had homeworks to do, but there was one TV show that 50 00:02:55,286 --> 00:03:00,541 was, everyone in our family gonna watch it together so I had to finish all my 51 00:03:00,541 --> 00:03:05,371 homework by 9:00 PM because 9:00 PM is when, when that TV show started. 52 00:03:05,376 --> 00:03:10,531 So everything will be off and all of the family will come together in the living 53 00:03:10,531 --> 00:03:13,891 room and watch the watch that show Now. 54 00:03:13,891 --> 00:03:19,801 That was quite a different scenario than where we are now with the advent of 55 00:03:19,801 --> 00:03:26,401 social media and the medium that we use to consume this, social media content. 56 00:03:26,431 --> 00:03:27,451 But yeah, no. 57 00:03:27,451 --> 00:03:30,961 Now just differentiating between what other media are there. 58 00:03:30,961 --> 00:03:33,931 We're talking about social media today, but the other ones are traditional 59 00:03:33,931 --> 00:03:38,101 media like radio, television, which has a different way of consuming 60 00:03:38,521 --> 00:03:45,341 and can be consumed, not necessarily individually, but also together, which 61 00:03:45,341 --> 00:03:49,611 is a little bit, different when we talk about, the, the social media, 62 00:03:49,791 --> 00:03:52,191 consumption that we do in our phones. 63 00:03:52,771 --> 00:03:55,631 so yeah, that's another perspective on the scenario. 64 00:03:56,051 --> 00:04:00,011 And, when you said addiction, you can define addiction in many ways, but one of 65 00:04:00,011 --> 00:04:06,166 the, the common criteria of all kinds of addiction is that you cannot control it. 66 00:04:06,586 --> 00:04:12,346 So you know it's bad for you, but yet somehow you still end up doing it. 67 00:04:12,376 --> 00:04:16,006 it's the same with smoking and other kinds of addiction as well. 68 00:04:16,646 --> 00:04:21,506 It's not that you don't know that it's bad for you, but you still can't help it. 69 00:04:21,516 --> 00:04:26,336 the cognitive dissonance between your brain, knowing that what's good or bad, 70 00:04:26,336 --> 00:04:32,331 but actually in, when it comes to taking action, unable to follow what, you 71 00:04:32,331 --> 00:04:36,081 know, in your consciousness to be the right thing to do or wrong thing that 72 00:04:36,081 --> 00:04:41,601 I, I, that's how I think of addiction and this is certainly that from my 73 00:04:41,601 --> 00:04:45,806 personal experience and I would like to hear, experiences from the audience. 74 00:04:45,806 --> 00:04:48,536 But yeah, that's, that's, that's how I would define. 75 00:04:49,151 --> 00:04:53,096 Amit Sarkar: I think, you've covered, a very good, topic, I think when you covered 76 00:04:53,096 --> 00:04:57,446 about, traditional media because Yes, we, that's how we used to consume, media in 77 00:04:57,451 --> 00:04:59,756 the olden times in eighties and nineties. 78 00:04:59,806 --> 00:05:03,706 and while we were growing up, and I think print media was also very, important. 79 00:05:03,706 --> 00:05:03,796 Yes. 80 00:05:04,036 --> 00:05:06,921 So I when I talked about media, I just mentioned audio, video and, 81 00:05:07,201 --> 00:05:09,001 images, but there is also text. 82 00:05:09,301 --> 00:05:12,511 Text is also a a type of medium through which you convey information 83 00:05:12,841 --> 00:05:17,481 and, In the traditional, form would be newspaper or magazines, and the 84 00:05:17,481 --> 00:05:19,671 current form would be sending messages. 85 00:05:19,941 --> 00:05:24,481 So, so there are a lot of these apps now, and we are, using it on a 86 00:05:24,481 --> 00:05:26,011 regular basis to connect with people. 87 00:05:26,361 --> 00:05:29,421 and it's, it's a good, you mentioned, but addiction, it's something that 88 00:05:29,421 --> 00:05:33,331 you cannot control, but, why is it an addiction and, what are the 89 00:05:33,331 --> 00:05:34,921 consequences of that addiction? 90 00:05:35,251 --> 00:05:39,331 And one of the main consequences is, your time is spent on that. 91 00:05:39,591 --> 00:05:44,326 Thing rather than doing something else, which, loss of productivity, which, yes, 92 00:05:44,536 --> 00:05:48,316 it, it could be loss of productivity or ignoring your family, ignoring 93 00:05:48,316 --> 00:05:50,536 your friends, ignoring your work. 94 00:05:50,656 --> 00:05:53,976 the side effects of addiction is, can take place, in many forms. 95 00:05:53,976 --> 00:05:56,526 And that's why I think it's important to talk about it because 96 00:05:56,526 --> 00:06:00,046 sometimes we, we don't know that we are addicted to something, until, 97 00:06:00,046 --> 00:06:01,426 unless we are deprived of it. 98 00:06:01,426 --> 00:06:05,566 So once we get deprived of it, then we realize, oh man, I can't live without it. 99 00:06:05,571 --> 00:06:07,216 I, I, I need it. 100 00:06:07,636 --> 00:06:10,401 And, I think that's, I think that's one of the ways to figure out 101 00:06:10,401 --> 00:06:11,481 whether you're addicted or not. 102 00:06:13,881 --> 00:06:14,961 Rinat Malik: Yes, absolutely. 103 00:06:14,966 --> 00:06:19,671 And, this is where I, I I wanna share, my personal experience with you guys 104 00:06:19,721 --> 00:06:22,141 So, I used to be a. 105 00:06:22,686 --> 00:06:29,486 Chronic smoker of cigarettes and, so I know addiction in the 106 00:06:29,486 --> 00:06:31,346 traditional form if you'd like. 107 00:06:31,826 --> 00:06:36,511 And, no matter how much I knew, admitted and acknowledged that it's 108 00:06:36,511 --> 00:06:41,731 bad for me, bad for my health and future, I still wasn't able to stop it. 109 00:06:43,426 --> 00:06:49,266 When the internet and the whole tech advancement or the 110 00:06:49,266 --> 00:06:54,296 information age kind kind of started off, maybe 15, 20 years ago. 111 00:06:54,296 --> 00:06:56,486 there were new games coming up. 112 00:06:56,486 --> 00:07:01,286 Gaming was a new thing, as well as other ways of consuming content 113 00:07:01,286 --> 00:07:07,196 like, MySpace, Hi-Five, Orkut, and then eventually Facebook, etc. 114 00:07:07,196 --> 00:07:11,036 And people were spending a lot of time on, on these. 115 00:07:11,461 --> 00:07:16,231 ways of entertaining gaming as well as social media. 116 00:07:16,711 --> 00:07:21,541 Now, there were news, in the newspaper and other places that 117 00:07:21,541 --> 00:07:23,071 this is becoming an addiction. 118 00:07:23,076 --> 00:07:23,761 This is bad. 119 00:07:23,761 --> 00:07:28,591 And I, I think eventually there was, a, a, a person who actually unalived 120 00:07:28,991 --> 00:07:33,791 by, after playing thirty-one or 40 hours of video games continuously. 121 00:07:34,571 --> 00:07:41,606 So when I first heard about it I thought, come on, that's not what an addiction is. 122 00:07:41,606 --> 00:07:47,726 This is just media or traditional media trying to label something as dangerous, 123 00:07:47,786 --> 00:07:51,896 something that they don't understand because it's new technology, but us 124 00:07:52,116 --> 00:07:56,096 teenagers, when we were we know what's going on and it's not an addiction at all. 125 00:07:56,646 --> 00:08:01,846 that, that has been my, perspective towards, social media and gaming 126 00:08:01,846 --> 00:08:04,096 for, for a very long time because. 127 00:08:04,961 --> 00:08:10,721 It doesn't fit with the rest of the other things that we think as addictive, like 128 00:08:10,721 --> 00:08:14,081 drugs, smoking and things like that. 129 00:08:14,081 --> 00:08:16,721 So it's, it's totally different kind of thing. 130 00:08:17,201 --> 00:08:22,601 So I never kind of took it seriously because I thought, okay, this is, 131 00:08:22,601 --> 00:08:24,071 this is a totally different thing. 132 00:08:24,101 --> 00:08:28,331 People who doesn't do it don't understand that it's, it's not, it's not, it 133 00:08:28,331 --> 00:08:33,671 can't be addiction because it's, it's not a, a any substance that's 134 00:08:33,671 --> 00:08:35,741 going inside your body and whatever. 135 00:08:35,741 --> 00:08:42,136 So I, I completely dismissed this whole scenario until, and I don't wanna talk 136 00:08:42,436 --> 00:08:50,676 too negatively about tick tock, but until tick tock before that I, I had spent good 137 00:08:50,681 --> 00:08:56,376 amount of times on Instagram and Facebook an hour or two, which already felt 138 00:08:56,766 --> 00:08:59,796 like quite significant part of my day. 139 00:09:00,156 --> 00:09:04,656 But then when TikTok came about, I have found myself spending 140 00:09:04,656 --> 00:09:07,896 six or eight hours continuously. 141 00:09:08,346 --> 00:09:09,936 That's like a full-time job. 142 00:09:09,941 --> 00:09:12,546 I mean, that, that's, that can't be normal. 143 00:09:13,146 --> 00:09:17,646 And once I've done that a number of times, and this happened, you just 144 00:09:17,646 --> 00:09:24,186 went on to a, like a hole of scrolling and scrolling continuously, endlessly. 145 00:09:24,726 --> 00:09:30,556 And then I re-examined myself on how I spent the, these, these times 146 00:09:30,561 --> 00:09:33,346 in, many days in, in the past month. 147 00:09:33,826 --> 00:09:38,086 Then it became clear that this, this is not just. 148 00:09:39,046 --> 00:09:44,326 An app in my phone or the, the next level of technological advancement. 149 00:09:44,326 --> 00:09:49,966 But this is actually affecting my judgment and my decision making because I knew 150 00:09:49,966 --> 00:09:55,246 at the time when I was scrolling that this, I should stop now or I should have 151 00:09:55,251 --> 00:10:03,576 stopped earlier, but I am, continuing to do so, continuing to, be engaged and not 152 00:10:03,576 --> 00:10:05,886 stopping while knowing that I should stop. 153 00:10:05,886 --> 00:10:06,726 I'm not stopping. 154 00:10:06,726 --> 00:10:13,191 And yeah, sometimes in life you, it, even that moment does happen. 155 00:10:13,191 --> 00:10:16,751 Like even for example, if you're having a good time with your friends 156 00:10:16,751 --> 00:10:21,491 hanging out, in a physical space and you think that, yeah, I should really 157 00:10:21,491 --> 00:10:25,691 go home and, do the house chores, but you don't, that's one thing. 158 00:10:26,201 --> 00:10:27,071 But then. 159 00:10:28,181 --> 00:10:33,791 When you're doing watching TikTok and do it thinking that I should stop for 160 00:10:33,791 --> 00:10:39,161 six hours and then you continue to still watch for six hours until your body 161 00:10:39,161 --> 00:10:41,951 can't handle anymore and you fall asleep. 162 00:10:42,221 --> 00:10:51,711 That's a level of lack of control, which can actually be classed as addiction 163 00:10:51,711 --> 00:10:58,111 because for first 15 years of, consuming content, I did not wanna admit or agree 164 00:10:58,621 --> 00:11:02,761 and to a degree, I think I was correct that okay, those are not addictions. 165 00:11:04,396 --> 00:11:09,496 The technology has advanced to, in order to get your, attention, it has 166 00:11:09,496 --> 00:11:14,656 advanced to a degree that you just cannot control a lot of the times. 167 00:11:14,656 --> 00:11:20,446 And that I, I just have no other way logically to avoid acknowledging 168 00:11:20,446 --> 00:11:21,646 that it is an addiction. 169 00:11:22,186 --> 00:11:26,326 But yeah, so that's my experience in terms of how to agree and 170 00:11:26,326 --> 00:11:28,156 admit that it was an addiction. 171 00:11:28,606 --> 00:11:29,266 Amit Sarkar: Interesting. 172 00:11:29,266 --> 00:11:29,686 I think. 173 00:11:29,686 --> 00:11:29,986 Yes. 174 00:11:29,991 --> 00:11:34,931 we have talked about your TikTok, Marathons sessions. 175 00:11:35,301 --> 00:11:38,841 so yeah, I mean, for me, I think, what I have noticed for myself is 176 00:11:39,171 --> 00:11:43,511 that, when, Orkut came, it was, still, I mean, everyone used it. 177 00:11:43,516 --> 00:11:46,356 I was in college and, we used it to connect to people 178 00:11:46,356 --> 00:11:47,556 and we used to chat on that. 179 00:11:47,856 --> 00:11:50,436 And then Facebook came, initially Facebook had a lot of games, so I 180 00:11:50,436 --> 00:11:51,786 was playing a lot of games on that. 181 00:11:52,146 --> 00:11:54,456 These, movie quizzes and other things. 182 00:11:54,666 --> 00:11:55,986 So I, I remember doing that. 183 00:11:55,986 --> 00:12:00,111 And then Facebook became a news feed, so you could look at, what others were 184 00:12:00,111 --> 00:12:01,641 sharing so you could get the news. 185 00:12:01,791 --> 00:12:05,661 So rather than reading a newspaper, you were getting news from, people. 186 00:12:05,931 --> 00:12:07,491 And these were random websites. 187 00:12:07,491 --> 00:12:11,181 So internet is so vast and sometimes you don't know what is out there. 188 00:12:11,181 --> 00:12:15,651 So people, based on their interest, they explore new subjects and based 189 00:12:15,651 --> 00:12:17,511 on that, they post new articles. 190 00:12:17,516 --> 00:12:21,231 So I used to absorb that on Facebook and my addiction started, 191 00:12:21,261 --> 00:12:24,426 I mean, I wouldn't say it's, I mean, maybe it's an addiction, so. 192 00:12:25,266 --> 00:12:29,176 My thing is I have to scroll through everything, till the, most till 193 00:12:29,176 --> 00:12:30,636 the last update that I've, seen. 194 00:12:31,176 --> 00:12:36,036 So every day I used to scroll through the whole feed till the day before, 195 00:12:36,136 --> 00:12:37,636 I mean until yesterday's feed. 196 00:12:37,936 --> 00:12:40,546 And that way I used to keep myself up to date with everything. 197 00:12:40,546 --> 00:12:42,916 And then I used to try to comment on everything, and then 198 00:12:42,916 --> 00:12:44,266 I used to read all the articles. 199 00:12:44,566 --> 00:12:49,086 So I think I'm, I'm an information like, I absorb a lot of information, but I don't 200 00:12:49,091 --> 00:12:51,146 do a lot of, things with that information. 201 00:12:51,506 --> 00:12:53,156 So, so it started with that. 202 00:12:53,486 --> 00:12:55,086 And then, YouTube came. 203 00:12:56,051 --> 00:12:58,176 I am, I'm a huge YouTube addict. 204 00:12:58,256 --> 00:12:59,486 my wife can vouch for that. 205 00:12:59,676 --> 00:13:01,086 I love watching videos on YouTube. 206 00:13:01,086 --> 00:13:03,436 people watch, short videos on TikTok. 207 00:13:03,916 --> 00:13:05,656 You watch short form content. 208 00:13:05,866 --> 00:13:07,366 I watch long form content. 209 00:13:07,366 --> 00:13:11,406 I can watch like hours and hours of like, debates and seminars 210 00:13:11,406 --> 00:13:13,386 and sessions and whatnot. 211 00:13:13,386 --> 00:13:16,836 And I, I watch on all sorts of topics and I tell my wife 212 00:13:16,836 --> 00:13:18,336 that I'm, I'm learning things. 213 00:13:18,546 --> 00:13:20,286 And my wife is like, no, you're not learning things. 214 00:13:20,286 --> 00:13:24,456 You're just wasting your time because whatever you learn, you're not applying. 215 00:13:24,456 --> 00:13:24,756 Right? 216 00:13:24,761 --> 00:13:26,256 So you're, you're actually not learning. 217 00:13:26,586 --> 00:13:28,626 It's only in the application that you learn. 218 00:13:29,541 --> 00:13:32,721 And then recently I've noticed this, I've become an Instagram addict. 219 00:13:33,161 --> 00:13:36,781 I use, I started using Instagram when I went for traveling to South America. 220 00:13:37,141 --> 00:13:40,651 And we used to follow a lot of travelers and we used to post, me and my wife, 221 00:13:40,656 --> 00:13:42,211 we both used to post on Instagram. 222 00:13:42,211 --> 00:13:44,461 And from there the addiction started happening. 223 00:13:44,461 --> 00:13:47,211 And then you randomly scroll, through things. 224 00:13:47,441 --> 00:13:49,841 and Instagram has a good recommendation in engine. 225 00:13:49,991 --> 00:13:54,371 So whatever you like it, starts, displaying things, based on your interest. 226 00:13:54,731 --> 00:13:57,461 So it starts showing you, okay, these are the things you like. 227 00:13:57,461 --> 00:14:00,371 So it starts showing you that, and then you become more addicted to it. 228 00:14:00,711 --> 00:14:01,851 so it, started with that. 229 00:14:02,151 --> 00:14:06,601 And then I think the most recent trend that I've seen is, I've started 230 00:14:06,601 --> 00:14:08,371 playing a lot of chess on Lee chess. 231 00:14:08,731 --> 00:14:10,581 So that's another, gaming app. 232 00:14:10,581 --> 00:14:15,551 So a lot of people play these, Games, online or on the phone. 233 00:14:15,881 --> 00:14:19,371 And I play chess and I don't, say it's, addiction 'cause I'm learning something. 234 00:14:19,611 --> 00:14:20,631 I'm applying my brain. 235 00:14:20,691 --> 00:14:23,991 So I don't call it an addiction, but it is an addiction because whenever I'm having 236 00:14:23,991 --> 00:14:28,291 dinner, I try to play chess or, whenever I'm traveling, I try to play chess. 237 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:32,221 So in my free time, I, I'm playing chess, so that's my 238 00:14:32,221 --> 00:14:35,191 way to unwind myself or relax. 239 00:14:35,371 --> 00:14:36,301 I'm not relaxing. 240 00:14:36,331 --> 00:14:37,351 I'm just playing chess. 241 00:14:37,821 --> 00:14:41,451 so yeah, that's my journey with social media, different types of 242 00:14:41,451 --> 00:14:43,491 gaming, different types of apps. 243 00:14:43,731 --> 00:14:45,831 So YouTube, Instagram, Facebook. 244 00:14:45,836 --> 00:14:46,671 I've reduced a lot. 245 00:14:46,911 --> 00:14:48,531 I've reduced a lot of Facebook. 246 00:14:48,581 --> 00:14:52,331 I've started using Twitter and LinkedIn, but, I've, I've tried to 247 00:14:52,331 --> 00:14:53,891 figure out like what I have I'm doing. 248 00:14:54,091 --> 00:14:57,551 another, part I want to cover is, Technology news. 249 00:14:57,791 --> 00:14:59,471 So I'm in the field of technology. 250 00:14:59,471 --> 00:15:03,101 Rinat is also in the field of technology and we both read a lot of tech news. 251 00:15:03,401 --> 00:15:07,601 So my, news comes from reading a lot of articles and I follow a lot of blogs. 252 00:15:07,871 --> 00:15:11,381 And every day I try to, read the latest news, latest gadgets, 253 00:15:11,601 --> 00:15:14,711 what's happening in the world of tech, and keep myself up to date. 254 00:15:15,491 --> 00:15:19,821 And what I noticed is that I was, going through a lot of pages. 255 00:15:20,121 --> 00:15:23,421 So I start with page one, then page two, page three, page four, page 256 00:15:23,426 --> 00:15:27,551 five, click all, all the tabs, and then keep on endlessly, going through 257 00:15:27,551 --> 00:15:30,251 all the pages over a period of time. 258 00:15:30,251 --> 00:15:32,701 What I realized is I should restrict myself. 259 00:15:33,001 --> 00:15:35,551 I'll only go till page five or till page 10. 260 00:15:35,926 --> 00:15:38,266 Depending upon how many articles I cover, and that's it. 261 00:15:38,536 --> 00:15:41,836 No matter what, how interesting the next pages are. 262 00:15:41,956 --> 00:15:43,996 I will not go beyond page five or page 10. 263 00:15:44,001 --> 00:15:46,546 So I have put a mental limit and I work with that. 264 00:15:46,726 --> 00:15:49,546 So that's one way for me to tackle with that addiction. 265 00:15:50,146 --> 00:15:55,186 With, chess, I've now limited to, only certain times when, when I 266 00:15:55,186 --> 00:15:59,716 think, my time I'm, I'm free so I can utilize that time for playing chess. 267 00:16:00,026 --> 00:16:02,456 apart from that, I don't play chess, Instagram. 268 00:16:02,456 --> 00:16:03,536 I'm trying to reduce it. 269 00:16:03,926 --> 00:16:07,646 I don't want to uninstall the app because then it doesn't solve the 270 00:16:07,651 --> 00:16:10,586 problem because the moment you install it, you are back to the same situation. 271 00:16:10,886 --> 00:16:14,216 So controlling an addiction is you are exposed to that addiction 272 00:16:14,216 --> 00:16:15,476 and then you are able to control. 273 00:16:15,836 --> 00:16:17,221 So I think that's, that's the. 274 00:16:17,851 --> 00:16:21,361 That's one way to tackle it, but I'm not an expert on that. 275 00:16:22,771 --> 00:16:24,061 Rinat Malik: Yes, no, absolutely. 276 00:16:24,061 --> 00:16:26,901 Neither of us are expert in, addiction handling. 277 00:16:26,901 --> 00:16:31,911 But I mean, you know, when you mentioned YouTube, I was also gonna say that 278 00:16:31,911 --> 00:16:36,171 I've, there are so many channels, and before TikTok was popular, I've, 279 00:16:36,171 --> 00:16:38,001 I was also an addict of YouTube. 280 00:16:38,006 --> 00:16:42,381 Now, TikTok has just taken all of my real estate of attention 281 00:16:42,771 --> 00:16:44,741 and, completely focused on that. 282 00:16:44,741 --> 00:16:49,241 But YouTube I used to watch a lot of, tutorial and educational videos. 283 00:16:49,241 --> 00:16:53,591 And, a lot of you might also know about Crash course, it's very popular channel. 284 00:16:53,591 --> 00:16:58,681 And I've watched like most of their, series of educational videos and 285 00:16:58,681 --> 00:17:00,331 they were very interesting to me. 286 00:17:00,751 --> 00:17:04,411 but just like you Amit, I mean, I was watching educational 287 00:17:04,411 --> 00:17:06,151 and like productive content. 288 00:17:06,151 --> 00:17:09,401 I was telling myself that, okay, this is, this is positive, I'm 289 00:17:09,401 --> 00:17:11,051 doing something good with my life. 290 00:17:11,051 --> 00:17:16,421 But actually just consuming educational content doesn't really 291 00:17:16,426 --> 00:17:19,781 improve our lives until we apply it. 292 00:17:19,841 --> 00:17:23,861 And, that, that's something we tell ourselves that, okay, it's not 293 00:17:23,866 --> 00:17:26,621 addiction because we are doing, we are actually being productive, but 294 00:17:26,621 --> 00:17:30,971 actually in reality, we're not until we, we take action based upon it. 295 00:17:31,451 --> 00:17:35,076 So, that's, that's a really, important perspective that I 296 00:17:35,076 --> 00:17:36,756 guess we both have now learned. 297 00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:41,646 another thing, and not to, not to diss you in any way, but recently I've seen 298 00:17:41,646 --> 00:17:48,066 a, a quote, regarding chess is that all the chess players like to say that 299 00:17:48,066 --> 00:17:52,596 this is improving their brain and, strategy and negotiation technique. 300 00:17:52,896 --> 00:17:58,226 But if you become really good in playing Chess, then all you do 301 00:17:58,226 --> 00:17:59,906 is become a good chess player. 302 00:17:59,906 --> 00:18:04,646 Your brain is becoming really good in chess, but not necessarily 303 00:18:04,646 --> 00:18:05,726 the rest of the things. 304 00:18:06,146 --> 00:18:10,976 But again, I am not a, like a chronic chess player, so I don't know. 305 00:18:10,976 --> 00:18:16,676 But I, I, I do admit it is a game of strategy and you do have to 306 00:18:16,681 --> 00:18:19,331 think a lot, which is a, the don't, 307 00:18:19,336 --> 00:18:20,376 Amit Sarkar: don't try to defend Rinat. 308 00:18:20,376 --> 00:18:22,086 I'm not trying to defend myself. 309 00:18:22,416 --> 00:18:24,156 I know it's an addiction. 310 00:18:25,446 --> 00:18:27,246 When I'm in a waiting room, I'm playing it. 311 00:18:27,246 --> 00:18:27,486 So, 312 00:18:29,226 --> 00:18:29,526 Rinat Malik: yeah. 313 00:18:29,526 --> 00:18:35,496 So the point is that, yeah, if we, if we deflect our responsibilities 314 00:18:35,496 --> 00:18:40,836 in life while, for doing whatever Facebook, chess or tick-tock, 315 00:18:41,616 --> 00:18:46,196 if we are Avoiding the actual responsibilities, then that's the problem. 316 00:18:46,676 --> 00:18:50,276 And as you mentioned, you've taken many, many measures to 317 00:18:50,326 --> 00:18:51,826 keep all of these in control. 318 00:18:51,826 --> 00:18:56,086 I've also attempted to take many, many measures and failed in all of them. 319 00:18:56,446 --> 00:19:03,146 And then the final step I have taken is that I have uninstalled that, as you 320 00:19:03,146 --> 00:19:08,116 mentioned, that that's not necessarily a solution, but for me, I feel like 321 00:19:08,266 --> 00:19:14,406 the more difficult I make it, for me to access, the better chances I have 322 00:19:14,506 --> 00:19:19,216 Yes, I have uninstalled TikTok, Instagram, Facebook in the past as well. 323 00:19:19,576 --> 00:19:22,876 But then I did end up downloading it again and watching it. 324 00:19:22,936 --> 00:19:26,506 But this time what happened is I've, I've really looked at myself and I 325 00:19:26,506 --> 00:19:32,206 thought, I have to have to, keep bringing this in control and how can I do that? 326 00:19:32,806 --> 00:19:37,281 So what happens straight away after you uninstall it is that I. 327 00:19:37,591 --> 00:19:42,751 You won't just casually pick up the phone and turn on TikTok or Instagram 328 00:19:42,751 --> 00:19:46,921 because now you have to download it, which means that you have to 329 00:19:46,921 --> 00:19:51,061 mentally be okay with, okay, I'm going through the effort of downloading. 330 00:19:51,061 --> 00:19:55,711 That means I'm, I definitely want to spend more than 10 minutes, because 331 00:19:55,741 --> 00:19:59,071 that's what happens most of the time that you think, oh, I'm just gonna be on 332 00:19:59,071 --> 00:20:01,411 TikTok for 10 minutes for a quick break. 333 00:20:01,801 --> 00:20:04,811 But then you end up spending two hours on it, which is, which, 334 00:20:04,856 --> 00:20:06,896 which was a problem with me. 335 00:20:06,896 --> 00:20:11,816 So uninstalling really did help, but I didn't uninstall everything together. 336 00:20:11,821 --> 00:20:14,486 I uninstall TikTok because that was the most problematic. 337 00:20:14,906 --> 00:20:22,226 And then I told myself I that okay, all the educational and productive 338 00:20:22,226 --> 00:20:25,736 videos on TikTok, how do I, I did wanna do something with it. 339 00:20:25,736 --> 00:20:26,906 So I thought, okay. 340 00:20:27,446 --> 00:20:32,426 Whenever I now need to go on TikTok, I will go it through my desktop. 341 00:20:32,666 --> 00:20:37,536 So it's not completely inaccessible to me, but I just, agreed with myself that I'm 342 00:20:37,536 --> 00:20:39,516 not gonna download it again in my phone. 343 00:20:39,521 --> 00:20:43,116 I'm just gonna turn on the desktop, and then go on it. 344 00:20:43,686 --> 00:20:49,176 And then I realized that, okay, now the addiction has go, gone to a stage 345 00:20:49,176 --> 00:20:53,646 that if I can't find TikTok, I'll end up spending time on Instagram. 346 00:20:54,126 --> 00:20:58,326 I mean, before TikTok, I wasn't spending so much time on Instagram anyway, 347 00:20:58,656 --> 00:21:03,696 but now that I've normalized spending six hours on my phone, I was spending 348 00:21:03,696 --> 00:21:06,036 it on Instagram, failing TikTok. 349 00:21:06,576 --> 00:21:07,086 So. 350 00:21:07,821 --> 00:21:09,801 Then I uninstalled Instagram. 351 00:21:10,281 --> 00:21:14,811 Then I realized that I am, I'm now ending up, I mean, maybe not as 352 00:21:14,811 --> 00:21:18,621 much, but still spending considerable amount of time on Facebook. 353 00:21:18,621 --> 00:21:25,252 So I uninstalled Facebook and then YouTube from my phone, and then I, 354 00:21:25,791 --> 00:21:28,596 it's, it's completely, deserted island. 355 00:21:28,596 --> 00:21:33,216 My phone, I do have Twitter in there, but I'm not a big fan of Twitter, and 356 00:21:33,216 --> 00:21:37,086 the feed is not, not really tailored towards me for whatever reason. 357 00:21:37,086 --> 00:21:42,036 So I don't, I don't, I'm not, I don't really like Twitter enough to be addicted. 358 00:21:42,426 --> 00:21:46,656 But what ended up happening is that I've logged in through. 359 00:21:47,661 --> 00:21:50,841 The internet browser on my phone. 360 00:21:51,031 --> 00:21:57,121 I logged into YouTube over there to to watch again shorts through YouTube. 361 00:21:57,221 --> 00:22:02,191 and then I downloaded an app which limits the usage of particular 362 00:22:02,221 --> 00:22:03,841 applications in your phone. 363 00:22:04,211 --> 00:22:07,631 but you don't need to, you don't need to actually use the app. 364 00:22:07,681 --> 00:22:12,561 so ba basically you won't ever have to open that particular app, but it 365 00:22:12,561 --> 00:22:17,456 just, basically, you just set it up on that app to, block the internet 366 00:22:17,456 --> 00:22:22,016 browser, the Chrome browser in your phone, and that's what I've done. 367 00:22:22,586 --> 00:22:26,061 And, I'm sorry, I can't remember the name of the app, but it's one 368 00:22:26,061 --> 00:22:31,351 of the popular apps in, when you search for Limit my app usage in, 369 00:22:31,351 --> 00:22:33,631 in Google Play Store and whatever. 370 00:22:34,121 --> 00:22:38,621 I think it's, stay free. 371 00:22:38,621 --> 00:22:40,086 is, is the name of the app. 372 00:22:40,666 --> 00:22:47,486 but yeah, so, it, it, you can basically tell that, okay, I only can use, 373 00:22:47,586 --> 00:22:52,236 Chrome browser for 60 minutes on every 24 hours, and it tracks you. 374 00:22:52,236 --> 00:22:57,236 And once you pass, using the 60 minutes, then you can't use it Obviously, 375 00:22:57,236 --> 00:22:58,766 there are ways to get around it. 376 00:22:58,771 --> 00:23:04,256 I have to uninstall the actual app and then I can use something that again. 377 00:23:04,526 --> 00:23:09,566 But I think the main thing to remember with all kinds of addiction is in your 378 00:23:09,566 --> 00:23:16,856 mind, not just the, the, the surface part of your mind, but deep within your mind. 379 00:23:16,856 --> 00:23:23,246 You have to know and agree that you actually genuinely want to stop un until 380 00:23:23,246 --> 00:23:29,566 you do that, until you don't have this agreement deep within you there is no, 381 00:23:29,596 --> 00:23:36,076 no other way to escape this because yes, I mean, for traditional kind of drugs 382 00:23:36,076 --> 00:23:42,496 like weed or cigarette or other kind of drugs, it's difficult to have access to it 383 00:23:42,496 --> 00:23:45,046 because government and society, et cetera. 384 00:23:45,466 --> 00:23:49,216 But social media, there is no difficulty accessing it. 385 00:23:49,216 --> 00:23:58,086 So it is totally all on you to be able to live an examined life, be aware of 386 00:23:58,086 --> 00:24:05,421 what you are doing, be an observer of yourself, and then take action to control 387 00:24:05,481 --> 00:24:07,431 in your life what you want to control. 388 00:24:07,431 --> 00:24:09,501 So it is very important. 389 00:24:09,531 --> 00:24:12,081 and I've ignored it most of my life. 390 00:24:12,081 --> 00:24:18,906 I didn't even want to class it as an addiction, but, I have ended up in, in 391 00:24:18,906 --> 00:24:23,886 my life where I have no other way, but to acknowledge that it is a problem. 392 00:24:24,336 --> 00:24:29,776 So, absolutely, definitely, would urge everyone to look at it and, 393 00:24:29,776 --> 00:24:32,086 examine how it's affecting your life. 394 00:24:32,286 --> 00:24:35,976 Amit Sarkar: So, yeah, it's a very interesting, perspective, Rinat, 395 00:24:35,996 --> 00:24:40,666 because, going through your addiction journey and, talking about how you've 396 00:24:40,666 --> 00:24:42,226 taken measures is, quite interesting. 397 00:24:42,226 --> 00:24:44,116 And I, I, I see a pattern here. 398 00:24:44,121 --> 00:24:46,851 there was TikTok, then you remove TikTok, then there was Instagram, 399 00:24:47,481 --> 00:24:50,721 then you removed Instagram, there was YouTube, Facebook, etc. 400 00:24:50,991 --> 00:24:54,451 But if, if you see the pattern, it's mostly short form videos 401 00:24:54,811 --> 00:24:56,441 and, Instagram is pictures. 402 00:24:56,441 --> 00:24:59,171 But Instagram tried to replicate the TikTok formula. 403 00:24:59,201 --> 00:24:59,981 On short form. 404 00:24:59,981 --> 00:25:00,041 Rinat Malik: Yeah. 405 00:25:00,151 --> 00:25:02,521 It was the videos that, got me addicted? 406 00:25:02,521 --> 00:25:02,761 Amit Sarkar: Yeah. 407 00:25:02,791 --> 00:25:03,061 Yes. 408 00:25:03,061 --> 00:25:06,565 And, and same with YouTube now, YouTube, Shorts, Instagram, Reels and TikTok. 409 00:25:06,565 --> 00:25:06,566 Mm-Hmm. 410 00:25:06,931 --> 00:25:08,646 So they're all, interconnected. 411 00:25:08,646 --> 00:25:11,866 And Facebook is also pushed now starting on, videos more. 412 00:25:12,136 --> 00:25:14,956 So I think, I think that there is definitely a pattern here, but I 413 00:25:14,956 --> 00:25:16,696 think let's, let's break it down. 414 00:25:16,696 --> 00:25:17,746 What's happening in these apps? 415 00:25:17,926 --> 00:25:22,251 So these apps, the, the way they run is by, by the amount of sheer amount 416 00:25:22,251 --> 00:25:23,841 of people that they have on these apps. 417 00:25:24,141 --> 00:25:27,781 So suppose all your friends and all your, colleagues are there on the app. 418 00:25:27,991 --> 00:25:29,371 So you want to be there on that app. 419 00:25:29,821 --> 00:25:32,241 And, then you start sharing things about your personal life 420 00:25:32,246 --> 00:25:34,431 and you want to see what others are doing in their personal life. 421 00:25:35,241 --> 00:25:38,871 Another thing is in reality, you do want to know what's happening in, 422 00:25:38,941 --> 00:25:42,421 people's lives, but you don't want to know about every person's life whom you 423 00:25:42,421 --> 00:25:46,741 have ever met, because sometimes you meet people once and then you follow 424 00:25:46,741 --> 00:25:50,821 them on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, whatever, and then you keep getting 425 00:25:50,826 --> 00:25:53,041 their, images or things on your feed. 426 00:25:53,461 --> 00:25:57,541 Now, in your head you think, okay, fine, I might reconnect with them in the 427 00:25:57,541 --> 00:25:59,671 future, so let me have them on my profile. 428 00:26:00,061 --> 00:26:01,501 And you keep getting that in feed. 429 00:26:01,891 --> 00:26:03,991 And now they have started traveling and then you're like, 430 00:26:04,081 --> 00:26:05,761 oh my God, they're going here. 431 00:26:05,761 --> 00:26:06,391 They're going here. 432 00:26:06,391 --> 00:26:07,441 What's happening with my life? 433 00:26:07,651 --> 00:26:08,911 I'm not doing anything. 434 00:26:09,301 --> 00:26:11,821 So you feel you, you get addicted into that trap. 435 00:26:12,721 --> 00:26:14,831 Then, and Facebook did that. 436 00:26:14,981 --> 00:26:18,461 Instagram did it, and a lot of people felt like, oh, I'm not 437 00:26:18,461 --> 00:26:19,841 doing anything good with my life. 438 00:26:19,841 --> 00:26:22,686 These people are doing so many great things and, what's 439 00:26:22,691 --> 00:26:23,436 happening with their life. 440 00:26:23,436 --> 00:26:27,336 Then TikTok came, and TikTok was all short form videos and videos were funny. 441 00:26:27,636 --> 00:26:28,716 So they were quite addictive. 442 00:26:28,716 --> 00:26:33,216 Like they were, they were about, initially they were about, mimicry. 443 00:26:33,216 --> 00:26:35,086 You mimic, a famous song. 444 00:26:35,366 --> 00:26:39,056 you, you dance to a famous song, and then it started with a lot 445 00:26:39,056 --> 00:26:43,531 of special effects and then it became like utility videos, like I. 446 00:26:43,646 --> 00:26:47,516 Okay, how do you do things in, in your bathroom, in your house, 447 00:26:47,696 --> 00:26:50,366 the decor, DIY fixes, etc. 448 00:26:50,576 --> 00:26:52,616 And then you are like, wow, this is so cool. 449 00:26:52,616 --> 00:26:53,336 I'm learning. 450 00:26:53,336 --> 00:26:56,546 So it's, it just like YouTube, but now instead of watching a one-hour 451 00:26:56,546 --> 00:27:00,446 video, you're watching a 32nd clip and you're like, wow, this is so good. 452 00:27:00,656 --> 00:27:01,436 I can do this. 453 00:27:01,436 --> 00:27:03,326 Let me buy it or let me do this. 454 00:27:03,446 --> 00:27:07,886 And that's how it, it, gets you addicted because you are thinking in your head 455 00:27:08,126 --> 00:27:12,926 that, wow, just by watching this video, I'm learning so much, but you forget. 456 00:27:13,106 --> 00:27:15,896 And I've seen this pattern with my friends as well, who keep 457 00:27:15,896 --> 00:27:18,086 sharing videos on you Instagram. 458 00:27:18,476 --> 00:27:21,936 And, they, they share, normally there are two or three types of videos. 459 00:27:21,936 --> 00:27:25,726 One are meme videos, meme videos are, jokes about your life. 460 00:27:25,726 --> 00:27:29,526 Like, jokes about being a parent, jokes about being a runner, jokes 461 00:27:29,526 --> 00:27:33,376 about being a father, jokes about being a man, things like that. 462 00:27:33,376 --> 00:27:34,216 Jokes about pets. 463 00:27:34,456 --> 00:27:35,896 And then there are these pet videos. 464 00:27:35,896 --> 00:27:37,066 So you see all these cute. 465 00:27:37,091 --> 00:27:41,951 Dogs, cute cats, all these videos, so, so there are these and then cute babies. 466 00:27:42,101 --> 00:27:44,411 So then there are those videos and then there are fitness videos 467 00:27:44,411 --> 00:27:47,261 which are educational, oh, you should do this, you should do that. 468 00:27:48,131 --> 00:27:51,791 So then there are those videos, and then they are just random DIY videos. 469 00:27:51,791 --> 00:27:51,851 I. 470 00:27:52,411 --> 00:27:53,671 Okay, let's fix the furniture. 471 00:27:53,911 --> 00:27:56,371 Let's fix your cupboard, let's fix your house. 472 00:27:56,701 --> 00:27:57,481 32nd video. 473 00:27:57,481 --> 00:27:58,501 And I'm like, wow. 474 00:27:58,711 --> 00:27:59,701 Oh, I want that. 475 00:27:59,701 --> 00:28:00,511 I want that. 476 00:28:00,751 --> 00:28:04,021 The problem is you share the video and, and you forget about 477 00:28:04,021 --> 00:28:05,731 that video in two days' time. 478 00:28:05,731 --> 00:28:06,181 Exactly. 479 00:28:06,271 --> 00:28:07,771 In two days' time, you forget about it. 480 00:28:08,281 --> 00:28:11,401 Rinat Malik: Millions of people, perfect example. 481 00:28:11,406 --> 00:28:16,141 Millions of people have seen the, the, the, those couple of guys I think 482 00:28:16,141 --> 00:28:22,171 in, in India who started with a, like a, just a land grassland, and then 483 00:28:22,171 --> 00:28:27,331 they built a house with swimming pool with, with the, with the mud and. 484 00:28:27,756 --> 00:28:33,061 you feel like, you can, oh, you can do it yourself in your back garden, right? 485 00:28:33,061 --> 00:28:37,971 And these two guy, but actually this was debunked later I've seen another video 486 00:28:37,976 --> 00:28:43,131 where they have actually said that those two guys were, that was misleading. 487 00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:48,761 They were having a lot of other people and machinery and, they to, to make 488 00:28:48,761 --> 00:28:50,561 the houses and the swimming pool. 489 00:28:50,561 --> 00:28:53,821 But then they were showing that they're just doing, it by themselves. 490 00:28:53,821 --> 00:28:55,501 But yeah, no, that's a good point. 491 00:28:55,501 --> 00:28:56,401 Anyway, continue. 492 00:28:56,461 --> 00:28:56,791 No, I 493 00:28:56,791 --> 00:28:59,371 Amit Sarkar: think, I, I think, you've, you've hit that because, 494 00:28:59,371 --> 00:29:02,491 short form videos request far more editing than long form content. 495 00:29:02,731 --> 00:29:07,381 So when I say long form, anything about, five to 10 minutes is about long form. 496 00:29:07,651 --> 00:29:10,291 And anything 30 seconds or below is short form content. 497 00:29:10,591 --> 00:29:13,561 And for short form content, you record first a long form content, 498 00:29:13,561 --> 00:29:16,831 and then you squeeze it into 30 seconds and you take the gist of it. 499 00:29:17,041 --> 00:29:19,111 So suppose you're doing, you are building a. 500 00:29:19,201 --> 00:29:23,161 furniture, you take the gist of it, like you don't show, you are cutting 501 00:29:23,161 --> 00:29:25,241 the wood for, one minute or two minutes. 502 00:29:25,241 --> 00:29:27,491 You just show it for one second and that's it. 503 00:29:27,701 --> 00:29:30,446 But you don't, show how much effort has gone into cutting 504 00:29:30,446 --> 00:29:32,526 that wood or, fixing a nail. 505 00:29:32,826 --> 00:29:34,266 And you don't show all the tools. 506 00:29:34,416 --> 00:29:39,636 You just see the, the first, like how it looks in the beginning and then how 507 00:29:39,636 --> 00:29:41,316 it looks in the end and the transition. 508 00:29:41,586 --> 00:29:45,236 You don't see how much effort has gone into and you think I can do it. 509 00:29:45,236 --> 00:29:45,237 Yes. 510 00:29:45,242 --> 00:29:46,526 More I can do it. 511 00:29:46,531 --> 00:29:46,621 Right? 512 00:29:46,901 --> 00:29:49,136 It makes you think that, oh, I can also do it. 513 00:29:49,466 --> 00:29:53,696 And, and I mean, if you, if you, if you look at all these things, the way it's 514 00:29:53,696 --> 00:29:55,406 working is grabbing your attention. 515 00:29:55,946 --> 00:30:00,696 Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, WhatsApp, they all want your attention 516 00:30:01,086 --> 00:30:03,666 and the way they want and, and the reason they want their attention 517 00:30:03,666 --> 00:30:04,956 is because they have advertisers. 518 00:30:06,051 --> 00:30:09,441 So if you are there on the app, you can see the advertisements and 519 00:30:09,441 --> 00:30:12,481 if you can see the advertisements, you can buy, those products or 520 00:30:12,481 --> 00:30:14,101 subscribe to those products, right? 521 00:30:14,191 --> 00:30:14,821 Or services. 522 00:30:15,631 --> 00:30:19,141 So Instagram wants you to be there so that you can see more and more ads. 523 00:30:19,321 --> 00:30:20,911 Same with TikTok, same with YouTube. 524 00:30:21,211 --> 00:30:25,051 So, so now what has happened is YouTube has come up with a premium subscription. 525 00:30:25,051 --> 00:30:28,111 Now you don't have to see ads, you just pay a monthly fee 526 00:30:28,111 --> 00:30:29,161 and you don't see any ads. 527 00:30:29,371 --> 00:30:29,911 That's good. 528 00:30:30,061 --> 00:30:32,881 So, and plus YouTube has come up with a very good thing. 529 00:30:33,151 --> 00:30:37,051 If you turn off your search history, then you don't see any recommendation. 530 00:30:37,081 --> 00:30:41,361 So when I open YouTube, my YouTube, page, it itself is blank. 531 00:30:42,471 --> 00:30:44,091 And I don't see any videos. 532 00:30:44,091 --> 00:30:46,251 Oh, I don't see any videos because my search history is off. 533 00:30:46,461 --> 00:30:48,771 So it doesn't recommend me anything because I've switched 534 00:30:48,771 --> 00:30:49,671 off the search history. 535 00:30:49,911 --> 00:30:51,261 So it's not personalizing. 536 00:30:51,411 --> 00:30:54,081 So that way, oh, it means when I open YouTube. 537 00:30:54,696 --> 00:30:56,046 I'm not endlessly scrolling. 538 00:30:56,046 --> 00:31:00,516 I have to deliberately type what I want to search, and then from 539 00:31:00,516 --> 00:31:02,376 there I then go mindless scrolling. 540 00:31:03,246 --> 00:31:04,086 Rinat Malik: Oh wow. 541 00:31:04,086 --> 00:31:06,066 That is something I did not know at all. 542 00:31:06,361 --> 00:31:06,981 And that's, it 543 00:31:06,981 --> 00:31:07,341 Amit Sarkar: started recently? 544 00:31:07,521 --> 00:31:08,181 It started recently. 545 00:31:08,181 --> 00:31:08,701 That's actually quite, 546 00:31:09,186 --> 00:31:09,336 Rinat Malik: yeah. 547 00:31:09,456 --> 00:31:09,696 Wow. 548 00:31:09,786 --> 00:31:13,506 That's actually because I, I do have my search history on and I'll probably 549 00:31:13,506 --> 00:31:18,006 keep it on anyway, but this is really good, good information to know. 550 00:31:18,006 --> 00:31:21,096 And I feel like our audience could also be helped with, with 551 00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:23,316 this because it, it's true. 552 00:31:23,946 --> 00:31:28,656 As soon as I, even now, as soon as I open YouTube, I hear, I see like four or 553 00:31:28,656 --> 00:31:34,026 five really ideal videos that I actually really am interested in that topic. 554 00:31:34,026 --> 00:31:38,076 Recently I've been, very interested into gardening and I've watched two 555 00:31:38,076 --> 00:31:42,936 or three videos of that, and then they're coming up with now like really 556 00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:48,236 Appealing videos that I really wanna know how to do this thing or that thing. 557 00:31:48,686 --> 00:31:52,856 And I had to actually have to stop myself from clicking those things. 558 00:31:52,856 --> 00:31:57,086 And actually the, the suggestions are so good that there are multiple suggestions. 559 00:31:57,086 --> 00:32:01,136 I sometimes get confused of which one do I click, and sometimes I end up 560 00:32:01,136 --> 00:32:06,716 actually opening three or four tabs just from going to YouTube.com if 561 00:32:06,716 --> 00:32:08,576 the suggestions have become so good. 562 00:32:09,086 --> 00:32:10,046 So, yeah. 563 00:32:10,436 --> 00:32:15,056 And what you said earlier as well is, is the short form content now. 564 00:32:15,116 --> 00:32:16,976 It's just, so much information. 565 00:32:16,976 --> 00:32:22,766 You, you think you're absorbing so much information so quickly that now it feels 566 00:32:22,766 --> 00:32:26,846 like a bargain that, okay, I've, I've spent like half a minute or a minute 567 00:32:27,056 --> 00:32:28,946 and now I know about this whole thing. 568 00:32:28,946 --> 00:32:32,336 But actually you don't, it's, it's totally different story when 569 00:32:32,336 --> 00:32:34,826 you try to apply it in real life. 570 00:32:35,456 --> 00:32:37,796 Amit Sarkar: What I have realized is because I'm on 571 00:32:37,796 --> 00:32:39,326 all these social media apps. 572 00:32:39,846 --> 00:32:42,576 I don't remember or a lot of things like I don't remember 573 00:32:42,636 --> 00:32:45,366 what, what I heard in the podcast. 574 00:32:45,366 --> 00:32:46,416 I heard two days back. 575 00:32:46,776 --> 00:32:47,436 I don't remember. 576 00:32:47,946 --> 00:32:51,756 I just know that's another, I just know that I, I've consumed very good content. 577 00:32:51,756 --> 00:32:55,716 I'm very happy, but I don't remember, and I'm like, I have to 578 00:32:55,716 --> 00:32:57,216 revisit the whole content again. 579 00:32:57,226 --> 00:32:59,806 Rinat Malik: I can relate to it so much because, this is 580 00:32:59,856 --> 00:33:01,411 part of my experience as well. 581 00:33:01,776 --> 00:33:06,516 So when I start watching Tick-Tock, if you like something, then you can actually 582 00:33:06,516 --> 00:33:09,096 go back to all the videos you've liked. 583 00:33:09,546 --> 00:33:15,685 Now, obviously, over the years, Tick-Tock also improved their saving functionality. 584 00:33:15,906 --> 00:33:19,171 So if you wanna save a video for later because you wanna do 585 00:33:19,171 --> 00:33:23,056 something, you wanna take an action based on it you can save it, and 586 00:33:23,056 --> 00:33:24,916 that's the right way of organizing. 587 00:33:24,916 --> 00:33:28,246 But I've started before this feature even existed. 588 00:33:28,246 --> 00:33:31,486 So I've just started liking things. 589 00:33:31,486 --> 00:33:34,756 The things that I would like to go back to at some point. 590 00:33:35,176 --> 00:33:39,566 I mean, yeah, the videos I like, I do like, but very rarely I like, 591 00:33:39,616 --> 00:33:41,266 videos just because I like it. 592 00:33:41,266 --> 00:33:45,616 But most of the times I like something because I want to go back to them 593 00:33:46,156 --> 00:33:51,246 and just as you said, Amit that you wanna consume to do something with it. 594 00:33:51,576 --> 00:33:56,171 And now I've, as, as I just mentioned like 10 minutes ago, that I've now 595 00:33:56,261 --> 00:34:00,431 uninstalled TikTok and my logic is that if I wanna watch TikTok and I need to 596 00:34:00,431 --> 00:34:05,561 be productive with TikTok, I'm gonna go it and go to a go on it in my desktop. 597 00:34:05,921 --> 00:34:09,791 And when I do go instead of mindless scrolling, I actually do end up 598 00:34:09,791 --> 00:34:13,361 looking through my liked videos because I know that there are thing, I do 599 00:34:13,361 --> 00:34:17,831 wanna be productive and I do wanna take deliberate actions, intentional 600 00:34:17,831 --> 00:34:19,801 and not just, mindless scrolling. 601 00:34:20,221 --> 00:34:24,136 So I, now started going to all of my liked videos and. 602 00:34:24,451 --> 00:34:29,606 What I've noticed is over, last three years, I've liked so many 603 00:34:29,606 --> 00:34:33,506 videos and I've even forgot about all the different things I've liked. 604 00:34:34,016 --> 00:34:37,346 And then I thought, okay, I need to actually know how many things. 605 00:34:37,346 --> 00:34:39,566 because these are all of these individual things. 606 00:34:39,596 --> 00:34:43,116 liked videos are action to take on something. 607 00:34:43,896 --> 00:34:48,246 So I thought, okay, let me see how many videos that I've liked so far. 608 00:34:48,606 --> 00:34:52,836 And then I scrolled down and down and down and it was like endless. 609 00:34:52,841 --> 00:34:57,906 I mean, I thought I only sparingly, liked only the very few that 610 00:34:57,906 --> 00:34:59,826 I wanna do something about. 611 00:35:00,216 --> 00:35:05,046 And even that ended up being 1700. 612 00:35:05,431 --> 00:35:09,031 Videos that I have liked over the last three years. 613 00:35:09,301 --> 00:35:14,521 And then I, it was a chore just to count, copy the, all the URLs and then put it 614 00:35:14,526 --> 00:35:17,101 in Excel and then do some calculation. 615 00:35:17,106 --> 00:35:20,881 And then I realized that I've liked about 1700 videos. 616 00:35:21,241 --> 00:35:24,181 And then I thought, okay, let me start from the very beginning. 617 00:35:24,721 --> 00:35:29,311 And then it was nostalgic to go to the very beginning, all the old videos 618 00:35:29,316 --> 00:35:31,411 that I have watched and liked, etc. 619 00:35:32,041 --> 00:35:36,406 But then a lot of the things that I had liked with the intention that I, 620 00:35:36,411 --> 00:35:41,561 I have something to do regarding this, maybe I want to check out this website. 621 00:35:41,561 --> 00:35:43,511 Maybe I want to use this tool. 622 00:35:43,511 --> 00:35:44,141 Maybe I want to. 623 00:35:44,616 --> 00:35:47,946 And then I realized a lot of those have become obsolete. 624 00:35:48,246 --> 00:35:50,556 They're not even relevant anymore. 625 00:35:51,196 --> 00:35:54,796 there were some websites, I went to that website and saw they've gone out of 626 00:35:54,796 --> 00:35:59,961 business, and then I went to this other website where you can write really good 627 00:35:59,961 --> 00:36:03,531 articles, but then by now ChatGPT is here. 628 00:36:03,891 --> 00:36:07,761 So all the things that I've liked before, ChatGPT, a lot of them are 629 00:36:07,761 --> 00:36:14,421 already obsolete now The intention of taking an action was in 2020 or 630 00:36:14,421 --> 00:36:21,111 2021, and I needed to take those actions in 2021, not go back to it 631 00:36:21,116 --> 00:36:24,141 in 2024, but that's what's happening. 632 00:36:24,411 --> 00:36:31,721 And I've essentially not only thought in 2020 that I've, I'm, being productive, 633 00:36:31,721 --> 00:36:36,911 but I actually fully wasted that time and the time right now when I'm 634 00:36:36,911 --> 00:36:41,821 going back to it and realizing that it was a waste of, my time then, 635 00:36:42,061 --> 00:36:43,741 and it's a waste of my time now. 636 00:36:44,071 --> 00:36:45,226 So I. 637 00:36:45,316 --> 00:36:49,696 Yes, I do agree that there are some really good information, 638 00:36:49,696 --> 00:36:55,976 productive things to do, but don't just completely, go on autopilot. 639 00:36:56,046 --> 00:36:59,976 when you are doing this, if you like something, you be more organized. 640 00:37:00,396 --> 00:37:05,616 You save it in a to-do list or you do something and then take action, 641 00:37:05,706 --> 00:37:09,696 within that month when you found that video if you really have to. 642 00:37:10,086 --> 00:37:15,846 But I would still very strongly encourage everyone to uninstall it, 643 00:37:15,846 --> 00:37:17,316 because that's what worked for me. 644 00:37:17,451 --> 00:37:23,796 And go on it in your desktop, if you tell your mind that, okay, I, I'm not depriving 645 00:37:23,796 --> 00:37:28,026 myself, it's not quite cold Turkey, I'm not completely depriving myself. 646 00:37:28,236 --> 00:37:33,606 If I want to really be productive with TikTok, I can go on it in my 647 00:37:33,666 --> 00:37:38,671 in, in desktop and usually desktop has this aura that, when you sit on 648 00:37:38,671 --> 00:37:43,351 a table and watch it on your laptop or your desktop computer, you are 649 00:37:43,351 --> 00:37:45,181 kind of already in a productive mood. 650 00:37:45,181 --> 00:37:51,781 So it's more difficult to go on a mindless scrolling Fiesta for five hours. 651 00:37:51,961 --> 00:37:52,171 Yeah. 652 00:37:52,171 --> 00:37:55,466 So, it probably would work better in 653 00:37:55,471 --> 00:37:56,031 Amit Sarkar: that, I think. 654 00:37:56,031 --> 00:37:58,676 I think we've talked a lot about the addiction part, but I think 655 00:37:58,681 --> 00:38:01,856 we should also talk about why it exists in the first place. 656 00:38:02,096 --> 00:38:05,256 I think Instagram has its place because, people do like to share pictures, 657 00:38:05,316 --> 00:38:09,626 especially with families and friends, and they do want to share, certain memories. 658 00:38:09,626 --> 00:38:13,106 So if I visit a place, I want to take a picture and capture it and store it 659 00:38:13,106 --> 00:38:15,356 somewhere so people can like, and comment. 660 00:38:15,356 --> 00:38:19,166 And plus I also have a reminder, okay, I visited these places and 661 00:38:19,166 --> 00:38:22,616 when I meet new people, I can show them, okay, these are the places I've 662 00:38:22,616 --> 00:38:24,506 been to, and then we can connect. 663 00:38:24,956 --> 00:38:26,246 So Instagram has its place. 664 00:38:26,486 --> 00:38:27,296 Same with Facebook. 665 00:38:27,296 --> 00:38:30,086 Facebook is good for friends and families. 666 00:38:30,386 --> 00:38:33,926 Again, like, if you want, if you have a life event, you pay post 667 00:38:33,926 --> 00:38:36,326 all the pictures and then people can come and comment on it. 668 00:38:37,331 --> 00:38:38,981 Google Photos is trying to do that. 669 00:38:38,981 --> 00:38:42,131 So in photos you can create an album, and then with that album 670 00:38:42,131 --> 00:38:45,001 you can share it to all the, all, all your friends and families. 671 00:38:45,046 --> 00:38:46,711 A friend, a few friends of mine have done that. 672 00:38:46,951 --> 00:38:49,831 And then you can comment on those photos without uploading it on 673 00:38:49,831 --> 00:38:52,051 Facebook or other, other channels. 674 00:38:52,201 --> 00:38:54,271 But then you also have to be an Android user. 675 00:38:55,321 --> 00:38:56,791 Then, Twitter has its place. 676 00:38:56,791 --> 00:39:00,541 I think Twitter is quite relevant because it's text, so you have to actually. 677 00:39:01,021 --> 00:39:02,341 Pay attention to read the text. 678 00:39:02,611 --> 00:39:07,051 But Twitter has now also started posting a lot of videos, GIFs and audio 679 00:39:07,051 --> 00:39:09,301 format, so then it becomes more chaotic. 680 00:39:09,301 --> 00:39:12,091 Plus, Twitter was initially just three or four lines. 681 00:39:12,301 --> 00:39:14,041 Now it's long form content as well. 682 00:39:14,191 --> 00:39:18,211 So people who pay a subscription fee, they can post long form content. 683 00:39:18,511 --> 00:39:22,341 People who don't, they can only post still, two or three sentences. 684 00:39:22,551 --> 00:39:24,831 So Twitter is still good because that's where you can get the, 685 00:39:24,831 --> 00:39:29,781 bleeding-Edge news, so BBC or any other news media they first posted. 686 00:39:29,781 --> 00:39:31,401 So you don't have to actually go somewhere. 687 00:39:31,401 --> 00:39:33,711 You can just get a notification like an earthquake has happened, 688 00:39:33,716 --> 00:39:36,951 a tsunami has happened, of all volcano has erupted, a flight has 689 00:39:36,956 --> 00:39:38,691 cancelled, someone got shot, etc. 690 00:39:38,871 --> 00:39:40,551 So you get all the news on Twitter. 691 00:39:40,731 --> 00:39:45,051 So it, it's, it's relevant, but of course it's about you, how sparingly you use it. 692 00:39:45,291 --> 00:39:46,251 And then you have LinkedIn. 693 00:39:46,671 --> 00:39:50,121 LinkedIn is good if you have work, but apart from work, there are not 694 00:39:50,126 --> 00:39:53,751 a lot of now content on LinkedIn, which has got nothing to do with work. 695 00:39:54,711 --> 00:39:56,251 And, and I've noticed that. 696 00:39:56,251 --> 00:39:58,561 So what I do is now I go to LinkedIn. 697 00:39:58,591 --> 00:40:02,101 I just search for people whom I've met or whom I've listened to 698 00:40:02,251 --> 00:40:03,631 on a YouTube video or something. 699 00:40:03,691 --> 00:40:06,661 And then I try to Google them and see, okay, what have they done? 700 00:40:06,661 --> 00:40:09,631 What is their, career history, where are they currently working, what 701 00:40:09,631 --> 00:40:10,921 kind of posts they have posted? 702 00:40:11,071 --> 00:40:14,671 So people whom I'm interested in the feed, I just go through 703 00:40:14,671 --> 00:40:15,991 a bit and then I just leave it. 704 00:40:15,991 --> 00:40:17,941 I don't like go through the feed extensively. 705 00:40:18,151 --> 00:40:20,941 So I think YouTube has done a very good job because I think YouTube 706 00:40:20,941 --> 00:40:25,905 has figured out that instead of feeding you something, I deliberately 707 00:40:26,961 --> 00:40:28,341 have to go and search for content. 708 00:40:28,341 --> 00:40:29,211 And same on LinkedIn. 709 00:40:29,571 --> 00:40:32,721 I want to deliberately search for people whom I'm interested in. 710 00:40:33,021 --> 00:40:34,131 And same on Facebook. 711 00:40:34,161 --> 00:40:38,811 I want to deliberately go and see pictures of people whom I want to know, 712 00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:40,131 okay, what's happening in their life. 713 00:40:40,191 --> 00:40:41,271 I've not been in touch. 714 00:40:41,481 --> 00:40:43,941 Let's see, have they had a child, have they got married? 715 00:40:44,121 --> 00:40:46,071 Have they traveled, et cetera. 716 00:40:46,191 --> 00:40:47,691 And same with Instagram. 717 00:40:47,786 --> 00:40:51,331 I I just want to, find people, not random strangers, 718 00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:54,471 And then I think educational part. 719 00:40:54,471 --> 00:40:57,501 So I think YouTube has a good part where it comes to education. 720 00:40:57,501 --> 00:40:59,901 You can learn a lot of things provided you apply. 721 00:41:00,171 --> 00:41:04,791 I think a lot of problem with addiction is that you think it's useful for you, 722 00:41:04,791 --> 00:41:07,911 even though it's not useful, because without application, nothing is useful. 723 00:41:08,181 --> 00:41:11,391 And one of the measures I've taken is like, okay, I watch all this 724 00:41:11,391 --> 00:41:13,161 content, what am I doing with it? 725 00:41:13,371 --> 00:41:15,981 So I started writing a newsletter about all the content that 726 00:41:15,981 --> 00:41:17,121 I've been watching and reading. 727 00:41:17,421 --> 00:41:18,021 So that. 728 00:41:18,911 --> 00:41:20,921 It's not just mindless consumption. 729 00:41:20,921 --> 00:41:22,961 It's like, okay, I've consumed it. 730 00:41:23,231 --> 00:41:24,851 What have I absorbed from that? 731 00:41:25,151 --> 00:41:28,251 And then how can I articulate it and share it with, people who subscribe? 732 00:41:28,461 --> 00:41:30,051 And I don't have a lot of subscribers. 733 00:41:30,231 --> 00:41:34,221 I'm about 30, 32 subscribers who are mostly my friends and families. 734 00:41:34,491 --> 00:41:38,361 And, they read it and, they sometimes give a comment, but it's fine. 735 00:41:38,631 --> 00:41:43,161 My purpose is whatever I've read, whatever is happening in my life, I absorb that. 736 00:41:43,546 --> 00:41:45,051 I, I go through a. 737 00:41:45,726 --> 00:41:46,296 What do you say? 738 00:41:46,476 --> 00:41:49,596 A recollection of all the events that have happened based on my calendar. 739 00:41:49,896 --> 00:41:52,866 And then I try to recollect all that, organize it, and then, 740 00:41:53,096 --> 00:41:54,656 articulate it in a newsletter. 741 00:41:54,656 --> 00:41:56,756 Because the moment I articulate, I'm putting effort. 742 00:41:57,206 --> 00:42:00,926 That means I can remember now things because if you just absorb 743 00:42:00,926 --> 00:42:04,436 and you are not writing about it or telling it about it, or discussing 744 00:42:04,436 --> 00:42:06,216 about it, it's just mindless. 745 00:42:06,336 --> 00:42:09,726 So you keep forgetting it because your brain has limited capacity. 746 00:42:09,726 --> 00:42:12,876 It's like, okay, I'm absorbing so much information, but in order 747 00:42:12,876 --> 00:42:15,726 for me to absorb more information, some information has to go out. 748 00:42:16,026 --> 00:42:19,626 So you, you, you see a pattern that you're starting to forget things. 749 00:42:19,836 --> 00:42:23,226 You're starting to not remember a lot of things because so many, 750 00:42:23,226 --> 00:42:24,666 you, you are almost everywhere. 751 00:42:24,966 --> 00:42:26,136 Your attention is everywhere. 752 00:42:27,081 --> 00:42:28,281 Your attention is on a game. 753 00:42:28,281 --> 00:42:30,741 Your attention is on the social media apps. 754 00:42:30,741 --> 00:42:34,551 Your attention is on photos because sometimes, I mean, we are talking 755 00:42:34,551 --> 00:42:36,651 about social media addiction, but people, a lot of people have 756 00:42:36,656 --> 00:42:38,481 addiction of taking a lot of pictures. 757 00:42:38,486 --> 00:42:41,991 So when they're at a particular event, they're taking pictures, but 758 00:42:41,991 --> 00:42:43,731 they're not actually in that event. 759 00:42:44,141 --> 00:42:46,571 and, and, and there are countless other things. 760 00:42:46,781 --> 00:42:50,471 What I have noticed is I am addicted to a few blogs. 761 00:42:50,471 --> 00:42:55,001 I've, I've organized all the apps in my phone, so a few sections. 762 00:42:55,271 --> 00:42:58,211 So chess is one, Instagram is one, and YouTube. 763 00:42:58,361 --> 00:43:02,771 So these are the three things that I constantly hang around because if I'm 764 00:43:02,771 --> 00:43:07,691 in a train, I want to pass my time, I can listen to music, that's fine. 765 00:43:07,931 --> 00:43:09,581 I can listen to a podcast, that's fine. 766 00:43:09,881 --> 00:43:13,691 But if I want to do something, I mindlessly scroll or I read an article. 767 00:43:14,171 --> 00:43:20,386 So what I've realized is that it's time to have, I. 768 00:43:20,741 --> 00:43:21,941 your, what do you say? 769 00:43:22,121 --> 00:43:24,641 It's time to have your own time back. 770 00:43:24,851 --> 00:43:26,021 Give it back to yourself. 771 00:43:26,471 --> 00:43:27,731 Don't give it to these apps. 772 00:43:28,001 --> 00:43:32,531 So instead of using these apps on your phone, just sit quietly, get bored. 773 00:43:32,801 --> 00:43:36,071 I think people have stopped, realizing the importance of getting bored. 774 00:43:36,371 --> 00:43:37,481 We can't get bored anymore. 775 00:43:37,481 --> 00:43:39,041 I, we don't want to get bored. 776 00:43:39,041 --> 00:43:40,571 We are like, oh, this is happening. 777 00:43:40,811 --> 00:43:41,921 This life is so exciting. 778 00:43:42,191 --> 00:43:43,511 No, dude, get bored. 779 00:43:43,691 --> 00:43:46,211 If you don't get bored, you'll not get new ideas. 780 00:43:47,201 --> 00:43:47,921 Rinat Malik: Absolutely. 781 00:43:47,921 --> 00:43:52,361 And I was just about to say it like being bored has its actual. 782 00:43:53,456 --> 00:43:55,016 Therapeutic benefits. 783 00:43:55,016 --> 00:44:00,236 I mean, it, it, it's not just about, okay, I, I, I wanna not be addicted, 784 00:44:00,236 --> 00:44:06,836 but actually, while you are not doing things, your brain is actually doing 785 00:44:07,166 --> 00:44:12,776 things that you don't always consciously know, but it is still doing things. 786 00:44:13,166 --> 00:44:16,936 And also, you are giving yourself your conscious mind a bit of rest 787 00:44:16,936 --> 00:44:21,316 from consumption, which is also very good for future productivity 788 00:44:21,766 --> 00:44:25,336 and more quality productivity. 789 00:44:25,336 --> 00:44:28,806 I mean, consuming content, content as much as you tell yourself that you're 790 00:44:28,806 --> 00:44:30,606 being productive, it's not, you're not. 791 00:44:30,606 --> 00:44:34,846 even after that, you put your phone down and you think, okay, I'm gonna do 792 00:44:34,846 --> 00:44:40,846 something good or productive or something, and then you do start doing something 793 00:44:40,846 --> 00:44:44,956 and you are automatically, your brain is on autopilot because it's already tired. 794 00:44:44,961 --> 00:44:50,266 By consuming so much information, it, it can't generate anymore new creative ideas. 795 00:44:50,551 --> 00:44:55,306 But if you give yourself or your brain a bit of break, do nothing, 796 00:44:55,876 --> 00:45:00,716 yeah, some people have like a feared connotation of on meditation. 797 00:45:00,716 --> 00:45:02,816 I, myself am like that. 798 00:45:02,816 --> 00:45:06,596 I, I don't, haven't done meditation much and I don't know 799 00:45:06,596 --> 00:45:07,976 whether I'll be able to, but. 800 00:45:08,936 --> 00:45:10,856 If you like meditation, do meditation. 801 00:45:10,856 --> 00:45:16,736 If you don't, then just do nothing and give your brain or yourself, or 802 00:45:16,736 --> 00:45:21,476 your consciousness a bit of break from everything, and you'll see the difference. 803 00:45:21,476 --> 00:45:25,976 If you start doing it regularly, just half an hour of not doing anything, 804 00:45:26,426 --> 00:45:32,516 just, while sipping cup of tea or coffee and just not do anything, then you'll 805 00:45:32,521 --> 00:45:37,016 see that there is a big difference in your output, quality of output. 806 00:45:37,096 --> 00:45:42,496 right now you are living your life with, you're doing your job at work and whatever 807 00:45:42,496 --> 00:45:44,781 you think everything is going well, but. 808 00:45:45,466 --> 00:45:49,036 You'll see the difference once you start giving your brain a bit of 809 00:45:49,036 --> 00:45:54,376 rest and the output you generate would be of a much higher quality. 810 00:45:55,066 --> 00:46:00,556 You can probably still have the same rate of output, the same kind of things. 811 00:46:00,586 --> 00:46:04,486 Maybe, you took you an hour to prepare a presentation, it still takes you 812 00:46:04,486 --> 00:46:09,436 an hour to prepare a presentation, but the quality of it would increase 813 00:46:09,496 --> 00:46:13,466 drastically and you will see that, it would be noticeable difference. 814 00:46:13,946 --> 00:46:17,906 So absolutely, very much would encourage everyone to, to. 815 00:46:18,056 --> 00:46:21,326 Get bored, I personally would say I haven't come out of the other 816 00:46:21,326 --> 00:46:26,846 side just yet, but I started acknowledging that it is a problem 817 00:46:26,906 --> 00:46:30,836 and it's something that you need to deliberately, intentionally take action. 818 00:46:30,836 --> 00:46:33,746 It's not just gonna automatically phase away. 819 00:46:33,806 --> 00:46:36,386 This is not a phase, this is not a, 820 00:46:36,386 --> 00:46:37,226 not a problem. 821 00:46:37,526 --> 00:46:43,496 It is a problem and it will continue to be a problem Or get even worse 822 00:46:43,856 --> 00:46:49,076 if you don't take action, it needs deliberate action to fix this. 823 00:46:49,166 --> 00:46:50,966 Otherwise you're going down. 824 00:46:50,966 --> 00:46:55,076 Yeah, a really dangerous hole and wouldn't be able to come out of it. 825 00:46:55,081 --> 00:46:57,206 It is just like any other addiction. 826 00:46:57,206 --> 00:47:03,446 You get a hit of dopamine every time you watch a content and then you, your 827 00:47:03,446 --> 00:47:05,336 brain wants to continue watching it. 828 00:47:05,666 --> 00:47:10,196 And when I stopped, I installed these apps, I actually saw the 829 00:47:10,196 --> 00:47:13,586 same kind of reaction in my brain. 830 00:47:13,586 --> 00:47:13,646 I. 831 00:47:14,351 --> 00:47:19,511 When I stopped smoking and it's, it's scarily similar. 832 00:47:19,901 --> 00:47:24,311 And even though I keep telling myself that these are two different things, 833 00:47:24,311 --> 00:47:28,871 the one is physical harming my body and one is just, I'm just spending time. 834 00:47:29,261 --> 00:47:33,281 But no, actually the effect on your brain is very similar. 835 00:47:33,466 --> 00:47:39,611 And I did not wanna believe the people who said these things before, but 836 00:47:39,616 --> 00:47:46,631 actually I can't logically, rationally avoid this because it had harmed my 837 00:47:46,631 --> 00:47:49,001 productivity in, in, in major way. 838 00:47:49,541 --> 00:47:54,761 So yeah, now it's still, it's still always gonna be work in progress, but, definitely 839 00:47:54,761 --> 00:48:00,551 something that you guys wanna seriously look at and examine your life in. 840 00:48:00,551 --> 00:48:03,731 In terms of first start with stats, your phone. 841 00:48:04,406 --> 00:48:10,556 Already records every, all the, every day, what you spend your time on. 842 00:48:10,796 --> 00:48:12,416 So just look at the stats. 843 00:48:12,506 --> 00:48:16,856 If it's alarming, then you know that there is something that needs to be done. 844 00:48:17,186 --> 00:48:20,786 Amit Sarkar: So I think, I have, I have an app similar that shows like how much, 845 00:48:21,156 --> 00:48:24,811 time I'm spending on each of these, which of the apps are taking most of my time. 846 00:48:24,811 --> 00:48:25,951 So I've started doing that. 847 00:48:26,221 --> 00:48:26,911 So that's one thing. 848 00:48:27,151 --> 00:48:29,701 But I think I, I, before we finish the podcast, I wanted 849 00:48:29,706 --> 00:48:31,261 to touch base on few points. 850 00:48:31,601 --> 00:48:32,976 we forgot about notifications. 851 00:48:32,981 --> 00:48:34,296 We didn't talk about notifications. 852 00:48:34,296 --> 00:48:37,656 Like a lot of times what happens is you post a content and then you wait. 853 00:48:38,436 --> 00:48:39,306 Did someone like it? 854 00:48:39,786 --> 00:48:41,166 Did someone put a comment? 855 00:48:41,536 --> 00:48:43,906 it it's, it happens with our podcast as well, right? 856 00:48:44,206 --> 00:48:47,446 We, post a video and we wait for, okay, how many views, 857 00:48:47,626 --> 00:48:49,386 how many likes, what happens? 858 00:48:49,536 --> 00:48:52,836 So that gives you a dopamine effect, so that, that's also an addiction, right? 859 00:48:52,836 --> 00:48:57,756 Because you are now creating content, but you are addicted to those notifications, 860 00:48:57,966 --> 00:49:01,656 like you are addicted for that validation that if you don't get enough likes or 861 00:49:01,656 --> 00:49:06,066 if you don't get enough comments or enough views, your content is not great. 862 00:49:06,936 --> 00:49:08,256 And you're seeing that validation. 863 00:49:08,496 --> 00:49:11,856 So that's, one of the things that, I have found, especially after starting 864 00:49:11,856 --> 00:49:15,756 to post a lot of content on YouTube, writing a newsletter and doing 865 00:49:15,756 --> 00:49:20,766 other things, I think, you get into that habit of, okay, why am I not 866 00:49:20,771 --> 00:49:22,206 generating in views what's happening? 867 00:49:22,206 --> 00:49:23,766 And then you start hacking the algorithm. 868 00:49:24,036 --> 00:49:25,326 Well, it's just a waste of time. 869 00:49:25,626 --> 00:49:29,706 You're posting content because you want to, and you like it for others. 870 00:49:29,796 --> 00:49:31,596 And if others don't want that, it's fine. 871 00:49:31,686 --> 00:49:34,836 If you want to create a business, then you can put effort, but think 872 00:49:34,841 --> 00:49:38,266 of it as a business and then put, time and effort based on that. 873 00:49:38,926 --> 00:49:42,731 If you're just doing it for the, for the fun part, then don't be addicted to it. 874 00:49:42,941 --> 00:49:44,081 Like, don't keep waiting. 875 00:49:44,111 --> 00:49:44,381 Okay. 876 00:49:44,386 --> 00:49:46,581 There will be a new notification or a new, comment. 877 00:49:47,346 --> 00:49:51,506 The second thing I wanted to say is that, one of the, places where we 878 00:49:51,506 --> 00:49:54,676 actually consume the most content is when we are sitting on the So we go 879 00:49:54,676 --> 00:49:56,086 to the toilet, we go with our phones. 880 00:49:56,086 --> 00:49:56,776 It's so easy. 881 00:49:56,896 --> 00:49:58,186 Earlier, it was so difficult. 882 00:49:58,186 --> 00:49:59,566 You can't carry a TV to your toilet. 883 00:49:59,566 --> 00:50:01,936 You can't carry a big newspaper to your toilet, right? 884 00:50:02,116 --> 00:50:03,686 I mean, you can, but it's difficult. 885 00:50:03,926 --> 00:50:07,256 So anyway, so you now carry a phone and you play games, you watch Instagram 886 00:50:07,646 --> 00:50:10,586 content and then, and you're just sitting there and then you realize, 887 00:50:10,586 --> 00:50:11,756 you start feeling constipated. 888 00:50:11,756 --> 00:50:12,476 You're not empty. 889 00:50:12,656 --> 00:50:14,126 And I have noticed this with myself. 890 00:50:14,366 --> 00:50:16,976 Like, I don't feel empty if I'm using my phone. 891 00:50:17,186 --> 00:50:19,496 So what I've done is I still take the phone because if there is 892 00:50:19,496 --> 00:50:21,506 an emergency call, I have a son. 893 00:50:21,536 --> 00:50:24,236 If I get a call from the nursery, I, I would want to be able to pick 894 00:50:24,236 --> 00:50:26,276 it up, but I just keep it there. 895 00:50:26,816 --> 00:50:30,416 I don't see the phone and I just focus on, okay. 896 00:50:30,791 --> 00:50:33,521 I'm here to do something and let me just focus on that. 897 00:50:33,641 --> 00:50:36,221 And I feel very empty and very relaxed after that. 898 00:50:36,371 --> 00:50:37,421 So I think that's important. 899 00:50:37,661 --> 00:50:40,391 And the third thing I wanted to cover is attention economy. 900 00:50:40,781 --> 00:50:42,821 So we talked about attention economy. 901 00:50:42,821 --> 00:50:47,201 These apps are talking about seeking your attention, but in the end, what 902 00:50:47,201 --> 00:50:51,011 you have to think is how can you give that attention to something else? 903 00:50:52,136 --> 00:50:55,316 And does everything in your life need attention? 904 00:50:55,646 --> 00:50:59,216 And soon or later you'll realize that not everything in your life needs the same 905 00:50:59,216 --> 00:51:04,076 amount of attention, and you need to just focus on things that you enjoy the most. 906 00:51:04,256 --> 00:51:06,446 So say you enjoy running, just focus on that. 907 00:51:06,451 --> 00:51:10,466 So I've stopped taking a headphone or stop taking even my phone for a run. 908 00:51:10,856 --> 00:51:12,086 I do a 10 K run. 909 00:51:12,086 --> 00:51:12,956 I don't take a phone. 910 00:51:13,286 --> 00:51:14,816 I don't have to listen to any music. 911 00:51:15,086 --> 00:51:16,646 I don't even have to listen to a podcast. 912 00:51:16,736 --> 00:51:21,116 I now pay attention to things around me rather than things that are not around me. 913 00:51:21,386 --> 00:51:25,086 I think people forget that, if you are commenting or chatting with people, 914 00:51:25,276 --> 00:51:27,136 on the phone, they're close to you. 915 00:51:27,136 --> 00:51:30,076 No, sometimes you ignore people who are sitting in front of you 916 00:51:30,346 --> 00:51:32,926 to stay connected with people who are living in another continent. 917 00:51:33,586 --> 00:51:35,056 And, it doesn't make sense. 918 00:51:35,536 --> 00:51:37,411 But this is absolutely how life is. 919 00:51:38,386 --> 00:51:40,396 Rinat Malik: No, this is actually very interesting. 920 00:51:40,396 --> 00:51:44,656 I mean, for right now, I can't even imagine not listening to 921 00:51:44,656 --> 00:51:47,266 music when, when I go for a run. 922 00:51:47,656 --> 00:51:52,856 But you actually made me really, open my eyes to this new world 923 00:51:52,856 --> 00:51:54,956 of possibilities actually. 924 00:51:54,956 --> 00:52:02,726 for the gamers out there, real life has the most vibrant, highest graphics, 925 00:52:02,966 --> 00:52:08,546 and most interesting life in among all the other games that you'll play. 926 00:52:08,876 --> 00:52:14,796 And most realistic when you go for a run, or do any experiences, 927 00:52:14,871 --> 00:52:19,321 walk, walk in real life, cycling, cycling experience, whatever. 928 00:52:19,961 --> 00:52:25,601 if you compare it to being in a video game console world, this one is so much 929 00:52:25,601 --> 00:52:28,151 more interesting and so much more vivid. 930 00:52:28,571 --> 00:52:31,481 The feelings, the color, the smell and everything. 931 00:52:31,901 --> 00:52:36,541 It's, it's a lot more immersive if you wanna, come back full circle. 932 00:52:36,541 --> 00:52:42,221 So, definitely something to, keep in mind and definitely something to 933 00:52:42,251 --> 00:52:46,601 take action, not just keep in mind, not, don't just consume our content 934 00:52:46,606 --> 00:52:48,821 either take action based on it. 935 00:52:49,151 --> 00:52:53,981 So after, after you guys have listened to it, we would like you guys to make a list. 936 00:52:54,101 --> 00:52:57,641 You know, maybe it could be one or two or three items of things 937 00:52:57,641 --> 00:53:00,281 that you will do in real life. 938 00:53:00,286 --> 00:53:01,601 Take action or. 939 00:53:01,946 --> 00:53:04,616 Or suppress in virtual life. 940 00:53:04,706 --> 00:53:08,496 You know, maybe an app you wanna, uninstall or whatever. 941 00:53:09,126 --> 00:53:16,631 But, yeah, definitely it's a work in progress for us and you and, hopefully 942 00:53:16,631 --> 00:53:19,611 we'll, see some real progress in future. 943 00:53:20,181 --> 00:53:24,321 So with that thought, I think we had really exciting conversation. 944 00:53:24,321 --> 00:53:26,421 Hope you guys have also enjoyed it. 945 00:53:26,451 --> 00:53:31,746 And, yeah, look forward to get any feedback or any comments, based 946 00:53:31,746 --> 00:53:35,046 on this conversation on how you changed your lives based on us. 947 00:53:35,616 --> 00:53:36,036 Amit Sarkar: Thanks. 948 00:53:36,036 --> 00:53:36,616 Thanks, Rinat. 949 00:53:36,636 --> 00:53:36,816 Yeah. 950 00:53:36,996 --> 00:53:37,536 Really enjoyed the 951 00:53:37,536 --> 00:53:38,136 Rinat Malik: conversation. 952 00:53:40,116 --> 00:53:40,356 Bye. 953 00:53:40,386 --> 00:53:41,316 Yes, thank you everyone.