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What would it look like to start.

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A community that was really,
it's for.

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The people like Jesus would be for.

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Welcome to Heaven Earth Church.

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I'm Ross Stackhouse, the
founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church.

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From the start, our heart has
been to be a church for people who

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don't fit neatly into church.

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We want to meet people where
they are and know their stories.

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Because in every story, there
is God's story.

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And this podcast, podcast is
just about that.

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It's about inviting you into
the stories of the people of Heaven

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Earth Church.

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So let's turn to the story.

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This past Sunday, I was
honestly just.

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Worn out.

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Just in a good way, in some
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I, you know.

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Worked the week in my
pastoral, you know, job.

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I had a wedding rehearsal and
dinner on Friday night, and then

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I officiate, officiated a
wedding on Saturday and then we had

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our Sunday gathering.

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And so I was worn out.

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And sometimes when I get worn
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I don't know about you, but
it's easier for things like discouragement

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and insecurity to, to creep in.

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But I felt the nudge from God
to go to my basement at home for

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a while and just do what I
invite people to do here.

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And that was just to have some
moments of stillness and silence.

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And so I did that.

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I lit a candle, I went down
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Like I said, I don't know
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Like, sometimes when I'm worn
out, I'm low on energy.

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I've poured a lot out of my
cup that it's easier to focus on,

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say, the one situation that
maybe is.

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Making you feel uncertain.

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But as I sat there, I felt God
nudging me even further to Ross,

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I want you to think of 10
things right now where you see me

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at work in people and give
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And I started to do that.

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And I.

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And it, it was, it was amazing
how in a period of about 60 seconds,

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my whole, like, outlook changed.

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Because I thought about the
Advent reading that we had Sunday.

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A person who came up and was
reading about the story of Mary.

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And I thought about, like,
Mary's despair and her low status

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and like, this person's
reading about how nobody, like, saw

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deeply into Mary's heart, her
sorrow, but also all these good virtues,

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but God saw it.

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And like.

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Even my wife said, angela
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from Sunday except that
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I thought about somebody who
that same day, I could tell, like,

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gave a little bit from their
wallet that they had.

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And I looked at that person
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man.

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And it's a good one.

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And just like, situation to
situation, I just went through all

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these situations and I just, I
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Of how, like, I see that
there's something beautiful and profound.

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And fruitful growing here that
is really a privilege to witness.

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And Emily said long ago,
Emily, our executive pastor, said

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before she even worked here,
she said the soil is really good

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I'm really grateful that she
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And also, to be honest, like,
we work really hard on that.

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We work extremely hard to
cultivate good soil here where people

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can come here and put down roots.

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And grow, grow through the
hard stuff, like sorrow, trauma,

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bitterness, resentment, loss,
doubt, cynicism.

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If you're actually going to
grow through that stuff, grow deep

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and bear fruit, it's going to
take time, it's going to be hard.

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And it's going to be frustrating.

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But I get to see it.

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And I saw it again this past Sunday.

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And so if you're listening to
this, I hope you know how grateful

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I am to get to watch what God
is doing in you and through you.

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I get to watch, like, the soil
we're cultivating together, the fruit

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that we're growing together.

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I am no different than you.

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I have my days just like this
past Sunday, where like Stephen Covey

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says, the way we see the
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And so I wasn't seeing things
right, but gratitude right sized

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me.

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It drew the rich things out of
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And most of those rich things
are things I've seen about you and

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what God is doing in you.

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And so basically here, right
before 15 days before Christmas and

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five days before my birthday,
that's the first thing that I just

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want to pause together and
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Is something special is
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It isn't the center of the universe.

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We're not the main characters
in the story, but boy, we are a critically

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important part of the story.

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And so, like, the story's
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good.

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But.

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But what might be next?

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What might be next for.

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For you?

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What might be next for us?

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We just read this scripture
from, from Sunday, where Mary, just

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the mother of Jesus, cannot
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has lived in life the way she
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We talked about how other
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There's none for her.

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She is a nobody of nobodies
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She's of the lowest of low status.

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And God says, rejoice, favored one.

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And she just can't Believe it.

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And the angel's response is
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Like, what's next?

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And like, do we really believe
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I've shared with you that I'm
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I am.

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And God has grace upon me.

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I don't think that's going to
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I'm a skeptic at heart.

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If I were one of the apostles,
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I would certainly be doubting Thomas.

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And God has been gracious to me.

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But even I'm asking myself,
like, man, do you believe that?

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Do you believe that, like,
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mighty One will do in our
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I do believe it because I've
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I just saw it Sunday.

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And God is one thing God is
graciously doing for me, friends,

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is like, I'm seeing more clearly.

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Things that I probably
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because God's teaching me to
notice the small things, the lowly

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things, the lowly things that
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things.

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And so I just invite you into
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Honestly, I invite you to the
next part of the journey with you.

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Because whatever mighty thing
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You'Re going to have to fully
show up for it.

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You're going to have to have
both feet in the door, not one foot

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in and one foot out, or to go
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He says, I am the vine and you
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Those who abide in me, the
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more fruit.

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I got taught long ago and I
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I can't have one foot in and
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Doesn't work that way.

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I just shared the quote with
somebody that John Ortberg says,

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and John Mark Comer quotes it
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I'm paraphrasing.

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But basically the greatest
danger for most of us is not that

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we'll renounce our faith, it's
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of it and so we'll skim the
surface of life rather than living

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it.

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So, like, I think God has
mighty things in store for you, mighty

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mightier than you've ever
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I might be a skeptic, but I
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that God is in the business of miracles.

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I can't explain why some team
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case, and they don't over
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As my Friend John Luby says,
don't quit before the miracle.

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There are mighty things ahead
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But perhaps the last thing
that I want to say is that one thing

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that is consistent across
Jesus's message to people in his

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inner circle and into crowds
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It's going to cost us something.

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He talks about, like, you
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before they.

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They go into their labor.

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You know, there's that classic
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I want to come follow you.

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And he says, hey, great.

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Birds have nests, foxes have
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have place to lay his head.

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You want to come.

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To the rich young man who
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Like, what do I need to do to
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Jesus is like, great man, sell
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poor and follow me.

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Cost is a theme from wire to
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clear it's the worthiest cost
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He says, there's a.

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The kingdom of heaven is like
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Upon finding one of great
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He got rid of everything so he
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Or it's like a treasure hidden
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Like a guy dug it up, he found
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he could and bought the field.

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It is worth it.

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And again, I witness that in you.

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When I see what.

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When I'm not so stupid to
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in our midst, I see how great
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To be open to the.

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In breaking of the kingdom of
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It's actually happening.

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But it has a cost.

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Community has a cost.

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My wife Angela saw a quote.

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I don't know who it.

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Who it was.

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I'm sorry for not giving the
right attribution, but she read the

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quote that says, the cost of
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We're trying to have, like,
deep, real hard, healing community

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And so that means that all of
us will have to show up with a growth

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mindset rather than a fixed one.

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Like, we.

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We kind of have to show up
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And so, like, we hope this is
a safe space where, like, you can

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rest and heal.

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You can experience the
presence of the One who said, like,

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come to me, all you who are
weary and are carrying heavy burdens.

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Like, take my yoke upon me on
you and learn from me, for my yoke

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is easy, my burden is light.

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Like, I hope we hope you
experience that here.

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A lot of people are carrying
so many heavy burdens from trauma,

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from church hurt, church trauma.

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We want to help you heal from
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But, man, if we're going to be
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going to have to, like, sign
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have community.

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So many of us has experienced
church that didn't have community

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in it.

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So maybe you grew up in that.

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Like, you experienced that traditional.

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You walked in, everybody wore
suits, and, you know, you sang the

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hymns and you did the Lord's
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and you showed up and you did
church, but you didn't experience

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community.

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Or maybe you came from the
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side, where it was like, big
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big feelings and there was a
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When you got to sort of the
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I'm not saying that we are unique.

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I'm not saying, again, we're
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We're not the main characters
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have community here.

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Guy by the name of Alan Hirsch
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It's like when you, like,
devote yourself to this shared mission

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and it costs you something
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And so, like, if we want that
here, that means, like, when.

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When our feelings get hurt, we
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go talk to the person one on
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And we're.

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We're willing to seek reconciliation.

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We don't just, like, come here
hoping that our individual preferences

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get met, but together we're
trying to create a community where

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together we.

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We experience healing, we
experience restoration, and we grow

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up together into the fullness
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That takes work.

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Again, it's a growth mindset,
like believing and taking seriously.

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Like, I haven't arrived yet.

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There are things that, like, I
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it on my own.

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I need people around me to do that.

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They need me.

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I need them.

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I need accountability.

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I need commitment.

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We need to pay attention to
our fruit together.

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These are all the things that
community costs.

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It's inconvenient.

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Who wants to do conflict?

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Basically nobody.

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But what helps us grow better.

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Than healthy, constructive
conflict and conversation?

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Community, where we actually
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We've been through some
battles together, we experience pruning

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together, but we also get to
taste the sweetest fruit that exists

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from the kingdom of the
heavens, that fruit of love, joy,

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peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, gentleness, faithfulness,

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and self control.

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Nothing has changed since the
day Jesus started talking in his

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ministry.

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He is speaking to us and
inviting us to the richest and highest

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thing of the kingdom of the heavens.

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And so I just want to thank
you that we're starting to unearth

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that together.

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We want to go farther.

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We want to go deeper.

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Not just for us, not for some brand.

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We have no interest in a brand.

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We have no interest in a megachurch.

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We want to be apprentices of
the Lord of the Universe and we want

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to bring the kingdom of the
heavens here to this earth.

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For us, for our neighbors, for
the whole world.

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Thank you for being a part of it.

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We want to thank you for spending.

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Time with us today.

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My name is Ross Stackhouse,
the pastor to Heaven Earth Church.

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And you may think out there
that your story is over, but in fact,

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your faith story may just be beginning.

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If you want more information
about our church or you're interested

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in the next step, you can go
to heavenarthchurch.org Otherwise,

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we look forward to being with
you next time at the Heaven Earth

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Church podcast.