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Speaker B:Welcome to the Own youn Choices on youn Life podcast.
Speaker B:I know you are here wanting to change and rewrite your story.
Speaker B:You are desiring to step into the impact that you know you were here to create.
Speaker B:I am here to guide you with the proven tools and strategies used by myself and our speakers
Speaker B:to support you in taking radical responsibility in your life and learning how
Speaker B:to own your choices to change your story.
Speaker B:My name is Marsha Van Winsburg.
Speaker B:I am a storytelling business coach, master NLP
Speaker B:trainer, speaker, podcaster, and seven times published author.
Speaker B:My clients have found freedom and purpose from overcoming their shame stories and learning
Speaker B:how to share them with the world.
Speaker B:I am so grateful you are here.
Speaker B:Let's get started.
Speaker A:Foreign.
Speaker A:Welcome back to the show.
Speaker A:Let's talk about visibility now.
Speaker A:I have so many people who come into my world
Speaker A:because of outspoken and wanting to be seen.
Speaker A:They're craving this being able to be seen.
Speaker A:Yet it's so scary, especially in the online space.
Speaker A:It feels like there's criticism, there's judgment, there's opinions.
Speaker A:And I know that.
Speaker A:I know those feelings very well.
Speaker A:And yet I also want to be able to support you to come up with some tools for how to navigate
Speaker A:it.
Speaker A:Because that's the thing, right? Visibility isn't just strategy.
Speaker A:It is nervous system work.
Speaker A:It's being able to allow yourself to be fully
Speaker A:seen.
Speaker A:And when you get the criticism,
Speaker A:it feels like, oh my God, I have to go run and hide.
Speaker A:The shame is so big, I can't do this.
Speaker A:And it's actually not about your side of the street.
Speaker A:It is about the other side of the street.
Speaker A:And so I'm going to give you a couple metaphors today.
Speaker A:I want to share this from the lens while still respecting a client who walks through a really
Speaker A:difficult situation.
Speaker A:I have been on the receiving end of this many years ago.
Speaker A:I was in a space where I, you know, started to share our story.
Speaker A:And I was actually speaking on small stages.
Speaker A:I had a lot of people who didn't agree with what I was doing.
Speaker A:I was always sharing it from my lens.
Speaker A:And I did have somebody come to my house.
Speaker A:I've shared this story before,
Speaker A:but I did have somebody, a friend, come to my house and completely berate me for not doing
Speaker A:enough to fix my kids.
Speaker A:And I remember in that moment, here was a key piece about judgment.
Speaker A:When I heard her,
Speaker A:all of a sudden I heard in my own voice,
Speaker A:I've said all of those things to myself.
Speaker A:So all of a sudden I went, why am I going to let her stand here and talk to me?
Speaker A:This way, when I'm already doing that to myself,
Speaker A:the only reason something is creating such a reaction in us is because deep down there is a
Speaker A:part of us that believes that's possible.
Speaker A:It mirrors something in us.
Speaker A:If somebody said to me, you look ridiculous with green hair,
Speaker A:I would say, that's stupid because I don't even have green hair.
Speaker A:I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker A:Like, I wouldn't even connect to it because
Speaker A:it's not true.
Speaker A:But when something is said about us and it actually hits kind of that unhealed on process
Speaker A:part of ourselves, where there's a part of our subconscious that actually believes it,
Speaker A:then it hits kind of that trigger panic button.
Speaker A:And that's what happens.
Speaker A:And so in this case, when this person said that, I remember distinctly, it was a turning
Speaker A:point for me.
Speaker A:And I just went, why am I gonna let her have this power when I'm literally doing this to
Speaker A:myself?
Speaker A:And I said, in the kindest way possible,
Speaker A:I'm going to do you a favor and we're gonna part ways because this isn't working for me.
Speaker A:And you know what? She was a very, very good friend.
Speaker A:If you would've asked me that, I would've said that she was.
Speaker A:And I've never spoken to her since that day.
Speaker A:That was probably 10 years ago.
Speaker A:So it is interesting how difficult situations can bring out like the worst in people or you
Speaker A:get to see who your actual circle is.
Speaker A:So I want to talk a little bit about this.
Speaker A:And it's also such a reminder for me,
Speaker A:because my business is built on a lot of collaboration.
Speaker A:Like I have a number of different businesses now and they are all based in different levels
Speaker A:of collaboration.
Speaker A:That's how fortunate I feel I am and how much
Speaker A:I believe in collaboration.
Speaker A:Because I think that it actually changes the game,
Speaker A:it elevates it.
Speaker A:You are able to show others what is possible.
Speaker A:You can work together.
Speaker A:These rooms, virtual and in person have like, they've changed and shaped me and my entire
Speaker A:business.
Speaker A:So your unconscious mind will actually start to collaborate to the people that you spend
Speaker A:the most time with.
Speaker A:And if you are actually in spaces,
Speaker A:whether it's virtual in person,
Speaker A:with people who expand, you all of a sudden you start to see what is possible.
Speaker A:You start to see how much more there is available for you.
Speaker A:Some people are going to collaborate, hands down.
Speaker A:They don't even think twice about it.
Speaker A:They're like, yep, I'm in.
Speaker A:What can I do? How can I help you?
Speaker A:You know that one quote that there will be people you want to Surround yourself with
Speaker A:people who speak your name when you're not in the room.
Speaker A:Those are the people that you want to connect and collaborate with.
Speaker A:Some people will criticize, some people will compete.
Speaker A:And the more you succeed at something,
Speaker A:the more these people will stand out because you're the expander for them.
Speaker A:So say, for example, if you are writing a book,
Speaker A:I'm going to say this.
Speaker A:I think this is a pretty honest statement, and
Speaker A:I think it's real.
Speaker A:You will never be criticized by someone who
Speaker A:has done what you're doing.
Speaker A:It's not going to happen.
Speaker A:So in all of my time of writing and the time I released the book and all the things, I didn't
Speaker A:receive an ounce of criticism from somebody else who had written a book.
Speaker A:Not one,
Speaker A:but holy ****, I received a lot of criticism, judgment from people who had never written a
Speaker A:book.
Speaker A:And that's what it looks like.
Speaker A:You will trigger people because of what you're doing and how you show up and how you share.
Speaker A:You are triggering in something inside of them.
Speaker A:And so I want to speak to this because this is real and this is what happens.
Speaker A:This client in particular,
Speaker A:she knows I'm doing this,
Speaker A:but she was hit with some nasty messages, like the kind that I honestly almost forget that
Speaker A:there are people and women out there who behave this way,
Speaker A:because I don't see it in my world.
Speaker A:I don't see it anymore.
Speaker A:It's just like if you acted that way in my world, I literally block, move on.
Speaker A:I'm no, thank you, not interested.
Speaker A:No energy.
Speaker A:And with this kind of emotion attached to it,
Speaker A:like her unconscious mind contracted and her nervous system said, oh, my God.
Speaker A:Not safe, not safe.
Speaker A:Not safe at all.
Speaker A:Can't be seen.
Speaker A:Not safe.
Speaker A:And it's unfortunate because what your subconscious mind is doing is trying to
Speaker A:protect you, right? Like, it's like, oh, my God, Unsafe.
Speaker A:Don't go here.
Speaker A:But then also, what happens is we have this part of our brain.
Speaker A:So I like to explain this way.
Speaker A:We have our conscious and we have the RAs,
Speaker A:it's called the reticular activating system.
Speaker A:And then we have our subconscious mind, then our unconscious mind, another story.
Speaker A:But our ras,
Speaker A:that's the piece that actually takes direction from you of where to go into focus.
Speaker A:So you know how you've heard the story.
Speaker A:Like, if you see a red car and you like it,
Speaker A:but you'd never seen that red car before,
Speaker A:your ras is what happens is it.
Speaker A:It's like, on alert.
Speaker A:It's like a red car.
Speaker A:Look for it.
Speaker A:Same with the Tesla truck.
Speaker A:The first Time I hadn't seen it, everybody was
Speaker A:talking about it.
Speaker A:And then it was like within a day, I'm like, oh, my God, I think I've signed like 10.
Speaker A:Your RAS notices what you are calling out.
Speaker A:So in this situation,
Speaker A:her RAS goes on high alert for danger, right? One threat, one argument, Danger, danger,
Speaker A:danger.
Speaker A:And then over here,
Speaker A:there's like 50 people who are supporting.
Speaker A:And isn't that kind of like what happens even in the online space?
Speaker A:You put one comment, like one post out and all of a sudden you get one negative comment.
Speaker A:But you've got like 50 comments saying, oh, my God, thank you for sharing this.
Speaker A:Thank you for putting this out there.
Speaker A:Where is your brain focusing? Is it focus on the one or focus on the 50?
Speaker A:You get to decide.
Speaker A:And it is so intense.
Speaker A:There's nothing wrong with how this client was
Speaker A:experiencing this.
Speaker A:This is actually normal.
Speaker A:Because the brain is wired to scan for danger and beyond the outlook for danger,
Speaker A:because its number one job is safety.
Speaker A:So there's nothing wrong with this person.
Speaker A:This is exactly how we are wired.
Speaker A:So first thing I talked about was this situation.
Speaker A:And as I said to her, I'm curious with their words,
Speaker A:are they correct? Is it true?
Speaker A:And she said, no.
Speaker A:I'm like, so what they're saying isn't true?
Speaker A:It does hurt because you're human and you have feelings and it's not true.
Speaker A:So where are we going to focus on what is true?
Speaker A:And so we started to shift it back to what is true.
Speaker A:Then I started to talk about the analogy of, like, our sides of the street.
Speaker A:So if you imagine that you're standing on your street and it's a street that has, like,
Speaker A:yellow lines, okay?
Speaker A:We got the yellow lines and people who are behaving, like this way, childish, let me call
Speaker A:it that on the other side of the street,
Speaker A:they are there.
Speaker A:And so you could be running back and forth trying to argue your point, going to the side
Speaker A:of the street, trying to explain it, trying to get them to get and understand.
Speaker A:And meanwhile they're over there holding their ground.
Speaker A:Like really being in a space of, yeah, criticism, judgment, insecurities, like
Speaker A:unhealed everything.
Speaker A:And just nasty.
Speaker A:Just nasty humans, right? The kind that we don't want to imagine that
Speaker A:they exist, but they do.
Speaker A:I call that very much unhealed.
Speaker A:Because in the lens of nlp,
Speaker A:what perception is projection.
Speaker A:So how we are perceiving something is how we
Speaker A:are projecting outwards.
Speaker A:And what that means is, is that someone else's
Speaker A:behavior speaks entirely about them.
Speaker A:So if you ever watch somebody losing their mind over something.
Speaker A:I want you just to pause and go, wow, interesting.
Speaker A:What is going on inside their world?
Speaker A:That that is how they behave.
Speaker A:Like, what is going on?
Speaker A:What level of hurt or anger or unhealed, unprocessed are they walking through?
Speaker A:Because it's not about you.
Speaker A:It feels like it, but it's not about you.
Speaker A:So on your side of the street, you're like, no, I'm trying to live in my values and I've
Speaker A:got a big vision and I want to help other people and I want to work together and I want
Speaker A:to use my voice.
Speaker A:And over there on their side of the street, it is just absolute chaos,
Speaker A:nastiness,
Speaker A:hurtful criticism.
Speaker A:They are on their side of the street.
Speaker A:So when you are being pulled into their energy or you stop showing up and you hide because of
Speaker A:the way that they are behaving,
Speaker A:what's happening is, is you're stepping off your side of the street, you're being pulled
Speaker A:into their side of the street.
Speaker A:And that's not where your future is built.
Speaker A:That is not where your, like, everything that
Speaker A:you're working towards.
Speaker A:Those people are not meant to go with you,
Speaker A:right? As they talk about the rocket ship when it
Speaker A:takes off, of course, I don't have it with me, but I did use this in a keynote once.
Speaker A:When the rocket ship takes off,
Speaker A:there is like something like 80% of the energy is used in the first 10 seconds.
Speaker A:And then the.
Speaker A:I think it's the boosters come off the rocket.
Speaker A:And I think it's interesting because the boosters are meant to be there to get the
Speaker A:rocket going and then they have to fall off because the rocket actually has to be lighter
Speaker A:to go further.
Speaker A:Well,
Speaker A:how about this? Thinking that people who behave this way,
Speaker A:people who act this way, people who have mistreated you, they are the boosters on your
Speaker A:rocket, right? They're the boosters on your rocket.
Speaker A:And then they just go.
Speaker A:Because they're not meant to go where you're
Speaker A:going, but they are meant to be part of your journey so that you can become the person that
Speaker A:you're meant to become.
Speaker A:If you choose to shrink back down because of how others are behaving,
Speaker A:please know, and I say this with the most amount of love.
Speaker A:That is still a choice.
Speaker A:We all get to choose.
Speaker A:And did I shrink down a lot of times in the
Speaker A:beginning? I sure did.
Speaker A:It took me a long time to learn how to use my voice and see how others behaved through the
Speaker A:lens of.
Speaker A:That has nothing to do with me.
Speaker A:And you know what? I actually don't want to spend time with
Speaker A:people like that because I just.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I really don't choose it at all.
Speaker A:So with your identity and when we think about people who behave this way and they, like,
Speaker A:push you down and force you to feel like you have to shrink down,
Speaker A:I want you to ask yourself,
Speaker A:who are you when someone speaks to you this way?
Speaker A:Who are you when no one is clapping? Who are you when people are being critical?
Speaker A:And who are you when you're misunderstood?
Speaker A:Because your identity doesn't shift based on whether someone else gets you or not.
Speaker A:Okay? Your identity doesn't shift because someone
Speaker A:else can't handle who you are and who you're becoming.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:This doesn't mean that you're not going to get it wrong.
Speaker A:I actually had a moment in December.
Speaker A:Not a proud moment.
Speaker A:I say those moments happen.
Speaker A:I responded to something and afterwards I was like, oh, that was not my best self.
Speaker A:I actually reached out and apologized to this person and was met with zero apology in
Speaker A:return.
Speaker A:And I went, you know why?
Speaker A:It doesn't matter.
Speaker A:Because I'm going to keep my side of the
Speaker A:street clean.
Speaker A:And that's the reframe I want to give you right now.
Speaker A:Is regardless of how somebody else responds to your apology, responds to how you act,
Speaker A:whatever they're saying or doing,
Speaker A:is your side of the street clean?
Speaker A:Is your side of the street something that you can be proud of,
Speaker A:something that you can be like? You know what?
Speaker A:I'm **** proud of the journey that I walked and how I've led myself.
Speaker A:Regardless of what the people on the other side of the street are thinking and saying,
Speaker A:keep them over there.
Speaker A:They are the boosters on your rocket.
Speaker A:They are not meant to go where you are going.
Speaker A:They serve a purpose.
Speaker A:They do,
Speaker A:because they're shaping you into the person that you're becoming.
Speaker A:Do I wish you could become this without people like that?
Speaker A:Sure do.
Speaker A:But that's not how it works.
Speaker A:So instead,
Speaker A:clean your side of the street.
Speaker A:Focus on it.
Speaker A:Notice how your body responds when you are around people like this.
Speaker A:When you're in the energy of people who are critics versus when you're in the energy of
Speaker A:people who are all about collaboration,
Speaker A:you know where you belong and you know what you're here to do.
Speaker A:So please remember how many people are cheering for you, how many people are
Speaker A:supporting you.
Speaker A:You get to choose what you focus on.
Speaker A:You get to choose how you respond.
Speaker A:And your voice, your message, your story has impact and it is meant to help someone else,
Speaker A:especially if you feel called to that.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:Especially if you feel called to that rise above that **** on the other side of the
Speaker A:street, rise above it.
Speaker A:You don't have to engage, you don't have to convince.
Speaker A:You don't have to, like, speak to them.
Speaker A:You don't have to pull them up, you don't have
Speaker A:to change them.
Speaker A:You don't have to do anything.
Speaker A:And if you don't have to do anything, you also don't have to shrink to make them feel
Speaker A:comfortable.
Speaker A:You get to rise.
Speaker A:You get to stay who you are.
Speaker A:You get to choose your own frequency and you get to choose how you respond to what is
Speaker A:happening in your world.
Speaker A:And if there's anything that I want this message to land is, please do not shrink down.
Speaker A:When the boosters on your rocket aren't meant to go where you're going,
Speaker A:when those people are trying so hard to shrink you down and you know that they're not part of
Speaker A:your journey.
Speaker A:Please don't.
Speaker A:Because of them.
Speaker A:Please don't.
Speaker A:Because there are so many people out there who are willing to collaborate and support you on
Speaker A:your journey,
Speaker A:and someone who will love you and support you and cheer you on in ways that you can't even
Speaker A:fathom yet.
Speaker A:They do exist.
Speaker A:So if you're in a space where you want to know how to do this, this is all of the work that
Speaker A:we do.
Speaker A:But I knew that I wanted to share this experience with you because there's just so
Speaker A:much to it.
Speaker A:This client deserves better.
Speaker A:And I want her to be in a space of saying, like, doesn't matter what you say about me
Speaker A:because I know me.
Speaker A:I know my heart.
Speaker A:I know what I'm here to do.
Speaker A:And I'm here to rise above that and to get my message out into the world.
Speaker A:So I love you tons.
Speaker A:I would love to hear how this message lands.
Speaker A:And please know that you always get to choose your response and keep your side of the street
Speaker A:clean.
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