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Welcome back, dear listeners, episode 481 Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

Weekly podcast, which is now fortnightly.

Three weeks out of, yeah, three weeks.

Hey, I was on holidays.

I've been busy.

We're doing our best.

Hey, just a volunteer organization here, a rag tag, bunch of misfits.

Think Gilligan Island with a microphone and, um, no ginger, unfortunately.

Anyway, I'm Trevor.

AKA, the Iron Fist up there in regional Queensland.

Scott, the Velvet.

Love Scott Goodday.

Trevor.

Gday, Joe.

Gday listeners.

I hope everyone's doing well.

And, uh, Joe, the tech guy, Reverend Joe,

Hey, from Neil.

Yes.

So if you, if you're still, um, checking out whether we're actually

doing these podcasts and you're in the chat room, a congratulations

and thank you for your loyalty.

B if you make a comment, we will endeavor to, um, incorporate it into, uh, the show.

So James is there and John's there.

Ah, John missed us.

Thank you.

And Alex.

Excellent.

Very good.

So look what's on the agenda.

Um, we'll talk a little bit about, uh, just local Australian stuff with

Jacinta Nappi, Jimmer price, and.

Um, of course the latest international development of the Charlie Kirk Saga, um,

assassinated in the US and the response to that, um, the internet will be dead

according to an article that Joe found.

Uh, what really happened at Bondi?

That was me with the Palestine.

Was that you or not Joe?

No.

Oh, dunno you.

Sorry.

I I thought that was from you.

Uh, of course, usual Trump, Gaza wrap up and, um, uh, bunch of other things.

So we'll see where we go.

So, um, gentlemen, I was in Mission Beach, so that was a nice little holiday.

Do you want a few stories?

You were mission in action

y Yes, I was.

So, um, so we were on Mission Beach, uh, with some friends and.

Oh, humor and me, dear listener, as I tell a little story, we were, um, in

the afternoon, we rented a house and just in the afternoon thought, oh, we'll

just go for a bit of a dip in the ocean.

And, um, because there's no stingers this time of year thinking it's perfectly safe.

And as we're splashing about my wife, who was not in the water,

said, Hey, I dunno that it's a good idea to be swimming in this water.

Because my father always said, never swim on this beach because of crocodiles.

And we thought, well, there's no sign about crocodiles and in

this it should be, it'll be fine.

Don't be such a worry ward.

Of course, nothing happened.

We were only in the water for 10 minutes or something.

Next morning, go for a walk along the beach about 200 meters from where we were.

Swimming tracks leading from the ocean upper creek.

Dirty big crocodile tracks.

Like you didn't have to be Steve Irwin to figure out that

this was a large crocodile.

And, um, needless to say this, you stumpy

from now on.

Needless to say, we didn't do any more swimming in the ocean.

Um, yeah, but I'm amazed, like this apparently is a well-known local crock.

A significant size.

Somebody is gonna die at Mission Beach eaten by a crocodile, I

predict in the next few years,

only if they sleep on the beach.

Well, you know, or swim in the ocean where there's no sign saying

don't swim 'cause of crocodiles.

So,

well anyway, that's why you've gotta be up here voting for,

uh, Bob Catter because he won.

Shoot them all again because he's oil in stick.

You know, just a big one like that.

Just relocate it.

So catch it and relocate it and put it somewhere else

would be.

Yeah, no, it's one of those things I just,

I'm just a little bit of an old, practical person and all that sort

of stuff and I think to myself, we almost hunted them to extinction once.

If we allowed a controlled color them and that sort of thing,

we could probably bring the population back down under control.

Mm-hmm.

But, you know, it's, uh, one of those things you, you.

Your views of the world do change when you move up here, and I honestly believe

that, um, it's probably time to relax the, relax the moratorium on killing them.

Mm. Anyway, it's a very highly populated area with a big crocodile.

Yeah, exactly.

A recipe for disaster.

Mm-hmm.

Um,

they're just misunderstood.

They wanna cuddle.

They just have short stumpy arms and they, no, they don't wanna

cuddle.

They, they're, they're horrible creatures.

I hate them.

And I've, I've never seen one up here, actually.

Mm-hmm.

You know?

Um, and one of the locals, he, he just laughed at me, he says,

oh, well, they've seen you.

Yes.

So, you know, apparently they're, they're everywhere up here,

but I've never seen one, so.

Mm-hmm.

Mm,

there you go.

So my other, um, you know, as I, I like to do, I like to record and retell my boomer

interactions since the last podcast.

Mm.

So, so this one was at, uh, Friday night drinks with the swimming group.

And unfortunately, a member of the group has been given

a bad, uh, cancer diagnosis.

He wasn't there, but it was being talked about.

And, uh, one of the guys said, well, you know, the cure for cancer?

No.

What is it?

Well, you starve if you just don't eat, then you starve the cancer cells.

And he started quoting some YouTube guy as having the answers and that,

um, that's all you have to do.

And that's the solution for cancer was, was a massive starvation died,

if you call it, and cancer, and.

I said to him, I must have had a look of skepticism on my

face, if you can believe it.

Shocked I am.

And I just said, did you ever just Google the, for a contrarian view?

Did you ever just google this guy's name and type in, you know, criticism

or objections against, or just Google around to see what, or even black,

just see what the alternative view was of what this guy was saying.

He said, no, I haven't done that.

And they, I, I can't.

They can't, um, disprove it anyway.

Like he's, he's got the answers, this guy.

So, I mean, where do you go from there?

And, um, well

there's no way you can go from there.

'cause this guy's clearly just been hoodwinked by it.

Well, remember.

Yes.

A bullet is very effective at killing cancer in laboratories.

It is

indeed.

Yeah.

And then as you know, just a few, you know, just straight after that

conversation, a guy on my right said, oh, knew this person who, um, who thought

that the cure for cancer would be, you've got to, um, lower your pH mm-hmm.

Level of your body and get rid of the acidity and, and make your body alkaline.

Mm-hmm.

And he said, um, you know, if somebody he knew did that and

they were dead in three months.

Yep.

And.

Then across the corner of the table, like I'd never heard that, that thesis

before, across the corner of the table was another guy who had not heard this

conversation about the alkalinity.

And he said, in response to what the other guy was saying about starvation,

he said, ah, well the cure for cancer is you've gotta, you've gotta reduce your

acidity and increase your alkalinity.

And I said.

This guy beside me just told me about someone who did it

and died three months later.

Like, and these people are swearing by these stories,

and I just, and there we go.

And so it wasn't about news.

So the good news is the boomers are gonna take themselves out.

So it wasn't about neoliberalism or anything, but having settled that,

it was a very fun conversation.

Like, if you can just let these things flow over you

and

just enjoy the moment, well,

this is why the liberal party share of the vote is going down, because these dickhead

are killing themselves up quickly.

So I just, it was a fun night.

Like I had a great time, but it was just crazy at the same time.

So, um, mm-hmm.

So those are some of the interactions I had.

Um, as you can tell, I don't try and, you know, get into the

facts and figures and all that.

Actually I did.

I thought I, I couldn't remember the name of the guy who he was

talking about as promoting the starvation theory of curing cancer.

I thought, oh, maybe if I go onto YouTube and type in starvation kills

cancer, I'll find this guy and I'll be able to then do my a bit of research.

But warning, dear listener, don't go onto YouTube and type starvation

kills cancer like the number of quacks

videos out there on that topic.

Mm-hmm.

Mind boggling.

I couldn't trace down who I thought was the largest.

They didn't

bring up the gersin therapy.

The what's the, what's that?

The, um, Dr. Gersin, I think it's coffee enemas and raw vegetables.

I don't know.

It's another one of these acclaim cure cancer and then people die,

but they died because they weren't taking the therapy seriously enough.

They slipped up and didn't do whatever.

Right.

It was always blamed the victim.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's never the fault of the therapy.

Mm-hmm.

There we go.

So, um, so yeah, there you go.

Just a, uh, a window into my private life.

And also

you notice with these cancer is there is only one cancer in it's cancer.

There's never all these 75,000 different types of cancer, each of

one whi, which needs a different cure.

Well, actually, the guy who talked about the starvation theory started

with, well, the problem is that there's been no changes to cancer

therapy in the last 30 years.

They've just done nothing bullshit.

And Exactly.

Joe, you were channeling me.

I just said stop right there.

That's complete bullshit.

I, I, I have two friends who work in cancer research.

I know, I know.

And I was saying,

you know, I mean, okay, the basic thing is chemotherapy Now.

But the different, there are different types of chemotherapy drugs that

are released every year, you know?

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

It's just, yes.

It's not like it's been static and no, massive advances have been

survival.

Rates of cancer are five times what they were depending on the cancer.

Hmm.

They they're incredibly changed from you 50 years ago.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

See, my mom died 15 or 16 years ago, and if she was diagnosed now, she probably

would've lived a hell of a lot longer.

Yeah.

You know, and I think that the, the cure would've been

less brutal than what it was.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So, um, so there we go.

That was my, uh, experience there.

Hello.

Alison's joined us as well, so Good to see.

So, um, guys, well, before we get onto international stuff,

just, uh, in Australian news.

Jacinta Price was, um, in the news because she had been in an

interview with, um, Patricia CarVal.

Mm. And they were talking about, uh, immigration and,

you know, instigated by price.

It got round to basically price saying that, um, that the Labor Party, um,

is keen and has been keen on, uh, on bringing in more Indians than

other nationalities because they perceive Indians as a voting labor.

And this was a labor tactic to, to bring in, you know, high

levels of Indian migration.

So as to.

Help them down the track with voting.

And this didn't go down well with the Indian community, seen as a racist remark.

She, uh, I don't know whether she apologized or not, but anyway.

No, she didn't apologize.

No.

And Susan Lay, I think, removed her from whatever position she was

from the front bench and demoted her back down to the back bench.

Yes.

Scott, your thoughts on that whole rou

haha.

No, I, I didn't think Susan Lee was left with any choice but to do it.

Now, the, the problem with it now is because, because Hins are, price

has been demoted to the back bench, she's now completely unbridled.

She can say whatever the hell she wants to, and she will just be

using her time on the back bench to destabilize Susan Lee's leadership.

And I think that you'll see a change in liberal leadership

within the next 12 or 18 months.

Yeah.

You know,

they're even talking about by Christmas, which is, what's that three months away?

Yeah, well, there was a news poll came out with, uh, uh, liberal

party, a record low since the big, since they've been doing news poll.

Mm. It's never been this low, their primary vote.

So, uh, the knives will be out.

And of course, the, the power brokers in the liberal party are convinced

that their problem at the last election was that they didn't go

hardcore enough on right wing stuff.

And that I know, and that, uh, that your mate, Joe, um, Peter Dutton was too soft

and didn't, um, didn't go hard enough on the core principles of the liberal party.

So, um, well, it determined, well,

the liberal party has forgotten its core principles because they seem to have

been overtaken by the religious right.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

And they're actually saying the same, the same sort of nonsense that

has worked very effectively for the Republicans, but it's not gonna work over.

Yes.

Um, John says in the chat room, American Indians, south American

Indians, Victorian Indians.

Yeah.

Mm. Yeah.

Everyone's, um, familiar of course that, uh, Christopher Columbus, when

he sailed the ocean blue and discovered North America, thought he was actually

in India and named the Natives Indians.

That was where he was.

So, um, so yeah, that was how they came about.

And I guess that would've been the same for the South American Indians as well.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Um, I actually think you encountered the Caribbean first.

Probably did.

Yeah.

Probably did.

Um, yeah.

And Alex says LMB actively campaign in recent immigrant communities because

they almost always vote conservative.

Yeah.

'cause they come

from conservative parts of the world generally.

Mm hmm.

But they're not gonna be, you know, I just don't think they're gonna be able

to repeat that sort of success because, you know, CIN gin price has really

dumb the hell of a number on them.

This is where they made a big mistake with the Chinese diaspora.

I mean,

that's a big community.

Yeah.

And their anti-China sentiment, particularly the LMP, isn't doing

'em any favors in the community.

Well, do you remember the, um, the advertising hoarding and

the colors of the A EC that says to vote you have to vote L mp?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So they'd done dodgy stuff.

A big scandal about that.

Mm.

Yeah.

So anyway, that was her and, um, the liberal party just

sharpening the knives on Susan Lee.

Her days are numbered.

Why would you want the job?

Honestly, why would you wanna be in that party?

Guys?

Let's move on to Charlie Kirk.

Mm. Had either of you heard about him before he was assassinated?

Yeah, because I listened to a hell of a lot of American podcasts, so I had

heard his name and that sort of stuff.

I knew the name.

I knew the name.

I've never heard what he'd actually said or anything else.

He just made a name for himself going out into university campuses and basically

sitting under a sign argue with me.

Mm-hmm.

You know, now according to the, according to the right wingers and all that

sort of stuff, they reckon that, um, he was actually trying to improve the

level of discourse that was going on.

Mm-hmm.

And he actually wanted to have an argument with people.

Now, apparently, he was very intelligent and he managed to turn a number of people.

Around and got them voting for the Republicans more so than the Democrats.

Now then you look at the numbers 'cause he was only 31 or something

like that when he was shot.

If you look at the numbers, the biggest move to the Republicans

was between those aged 18 to 35.

You know, they were the big movers and that sort of stuff.

That actually voted for Donald Trump more so than um, the older people.

'cause the older people wanted to go back to the Democrats.

So they do actually,

and this guy was seen as a key player in that, uh, demographic.

He was,

yeah.

Now, you know, I actually, having listened, I've read a little bit about

him since he was murdered, and everything I've read says, this guy's just a lunatic.

Mm-hmm.

You know.

Yeah,

hang on.

Joe's, Joe's ready to, I was gonna

say no, no.

I, I read an article that said, uh, I, I sat down with a friend of

mine who was shocked that somebody would've shot this nice man, and

this person was, what the hell?

You know, he was a complete bigot.

And so they compared videos of him talking, uh, and apparently in church,

you know, he was preaching a good, um, love thy neighbor Christianity, and,

and what a great, uh, and this woman had only seen these clips of Charlie

Kirk being totally rational, saying, and this other woman had only seen

clips of Charlie Kirk going, yeah.

Um, you know, uh, if a black guy gets in the plane, I'm really worried that

he's got the job and didn't deserve it.

Yes, yes.

Yeah,

there are.

So

it's a question of, you know, what, what.

Focus.

Have you seen, apparently there were two sides to him and quite

possibly those who are standing up for him haven't seen the bigotry.

Mm. But you know, the, the biggest irony was he was quite willing to sacrifice

a few people for the Second Amendment.

Yes.

Yeah.

Including himself.

Yes.

If a few casualties, um, took place along the way, it was still important.

Yeah.

So, um, um, and, and Julia is saying he was utterly disingenuous.

Yeah.

He was after, uh, gotcha clips.

Yes.

When he invited people up to debate, he was very much about be them

in front of everybody else, but,

mm-hmm.

He seemed to be, from my reading since his death.

Mm-hmm.

Because I knew nothing about him prior to it was, uh, that he was a particularly

unsavory character in many respects.

Um, but boy, oh boy, the reaction.

Um hmm.

First of all, the key part of this is, uh, the president, uh, and

everybody on the right were very keen to blame the left for the violence.

Before any evidence had come out as to who the shooter was, they were really

ramping up the idea that this was.

Left taking the fight up to them and they'd been too soft on the left and

hadn't been prepared to get down and dirty and, and fight the civil war

that is necessary against the left, and that we should no longer be.

'cause the left called him a Nazi

and demonized him.

That's why he was shot.

Yeah.

So, so they straight away blamed the left for his assassination before any

evidence came out about who this guy was.

Mm-hmm.

Now the guy shot him, who knows at this stage what his reasoning was, seems

to have had very conservative parents.

Mm-hmm.

That doesn't necessarily mean he was conservative, but who knows?

Um, so we'll see.

But it's definitely the case that the right are using this as.

A case of blaming the left for his death and this will then embolden them

to pass laws and do things mm-hmm.

Against the left because the left killed, um,

no, I'd actually, I can't even remember

his name.

Kirk.

What did a follower of Nick, Chuck Fuentes, who was

attacking Kirk as a fake right.

Winger?

Yes.

A and therefore was possibly shot because he wasn't right wing enough.

Mm-hmm.

Quite, quite possibly.

Who knows, uh, where all that end up.

But the truth doesn't really matter, does it?

No, it doesn't because the discourse will be the left, killed him.

We need to attack the left and the right now has a martyr.

And Chris Hedges wrote an interesting article about, um.

About how martyrs are very useful for a cause and it enables people

to do all sorts of really bad things in the name of avenging, the martyr.

And if the left's prepared to do, you know, murder people, then uh, you know,

the means justify the ends in terms of what we need to do in response.

And, and of course all this hand wringing about, um, political violence, so vi

being violent towards political figures.

This was the guy, Charlie Kirk who said he would applaud the person

and he wanted to fundraise for bail funds for the person who attacked

Nancy Pelosi's husband with a hammer.

Hmm.

Right?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He was a very nice man, wasn't he?

Yes.

Not.

Yeah.

So, um, so that's sort of a key aspect of it was, um, was the right

blaming the left and now mm-hmm.

Going to use this as an excuse.

Um, just, you know, you would've thought the guy was Martin Luther

King of the right in America.

The response, I mean, I know I didn't know him, but I would've known Martin

Luther King had he still been on my life.

Like, he wasn't that important.

Was he?

Like the, the response Well, he was he, he was the founder of Turning Point USA?

Yes.

Surely you'd heard of Turning Point.

Well, I, I'd heard of them, of, of the, of the idea of outing

leftist professors and whatever.

Mm-hmm.

I didn't know, you know, I would've assumed there's an organization behind

it, but I didn't know the name of it.

Okay.

I didn't know that he was the creator of it, which he was.

Um, which was all about identifying professors and academics who

were two left wing psyching.

I listened to a podcast this morning that suggested that he managed to

use a billionaire's money to get the turning point, USA started.

Mm-hmm.

And then after that, he basically became a professional fundraiser for it.

So he would then just contact everyone and he just says, look, you've gotta

listen to what the Left is saying.

We've gotta attack them.

You know, that sort of shit.

Um, anyway.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

So some of the, um, responses, well, the sort of, um, the flyer for this

broadcast as an image that, uh, Ted Cruz posted and which Donald Trump,

um, reposted with the words Indeed.

And it's a picture of this guy being, um, hugged by.

The traditional form of Jesus, you know, the white Jesus.

Mm-hmm.

Um, not the, not the Middle East and Jesus, um, and Ted Cruz.

Um, basically speaking on behalf of Jesus.

Well done by good and faithful servant.

Faithful servant being, uh, this Charlie, Kirk being hugged and Donald

Trump sort of on board with that.

There is a lot of c he's, he was a strong, uh, advocate of c Christianity

and faith and all that as well.

So, and

apparently also said to women that you've gotta submit to your

husbands and that sort of stuff.

Yes.

It's the sort of shit that you wouldn't actually put up with in this day and age.

Yeah.

So, um, uh, Alex said I knew about his, um, gun line, but I

had no clue what his name was.

Um, um.

Yeah.

And of course on the day there was a school shooting somewhere mm-hmm.

That got no mention at all.

Correct.

Um, but of course,

because because nobody

died,

there was only some people seriously injured.

Uh, was it in that school shooting?

I, I believe so, yeah.

Uh, okay.

Yeah.

Um, so, um, oh, here's an interesting paragraph from

Kaitlyn Johnston talking about it.

She said, uh, the McDonald's.

So in response to this Charlie Kirk, the McDonald's flag at Quant

Mo Bay was lowered to half mast.

Mm-hmm.

In honor of the GOP swamp creature, who was assassinated by a sniper

the day before nine 11, which I think we can all agree is the most

American thing that has ever happened.

She's got a good turn of phrase McDonald's flag at Guantanamo Bay.

Lower to half mast.

Yep.

I thought it was only the stars and stripes that were

being lowered to half mast.

Apparently not.

Uh, have you seen

all the sackings though of people who on social media have made gleeful comments?

Yes.

And, and have since been sacked by their employers?

Because that's just not appropriate.

Yes.

No, I wasn't aware of that.

Yeah, there's been

quite a lot of people.

Yeah.

Well, Republican congressman Clay Higgins wrote that he will use

Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to

mandate immediate ban for life of every host or commentator that belittled

the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

He further states I'm also going after their business licenses and

permitting their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should

be kicked from every school, and their driver's licenses should be revoked.

I'm basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice.

These evil sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Hmm.

Yeah.

That was just after they decided that trans people, um, were not

mentally capable of owning guns.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

There was all this sort of nonsense that was coming out saying that the

assassin was a tranny or something trans, A transsexual person.

Yes.

You know, it's all just a load of nonsense.

Yeah.

Um, I think there was some stamps on the cartridges and some initials, which they.

Which they said referred to some sort of transgender issue, but it

was really just the manufacturer's initials or something like that.

No.

So TRN is a Turkish arms manufacturer, uh, that I think has been debunked.

There were actually things carved on the side of the bullets.

Ah, but they weren't anything protran.

Right.

I think they called, there was some comment about being gay

Yep.

Accusing Charlie Koch basically of being gay.

Yes.

Uh, and there were a couple of other lines, but again, it's, it's difficult

to tell what the political views were.

Yeah.

Hmm.

So in, in, uh, an un savory character in many respects, um, like there

was a, there was a vigil at the University of Queensland, like lighting

candles in his honor type thing.

Did you hear that?

No.

No.

Guess who was buying that?

The fascists

that, oh, I'm sure some Christian group Drew

Pavlo.

Like you ever heard of him?

I think so,

yeah.

He was behind it.

So honestly, some American commentator assassinated and we need a vigil

at the University of Queensland.

They're claiming he was like a promoter of free speech and discussion and

that was, you know, some of the Yes.

They claimed he engaged in reasonable conversations.

Yes, yes.

Meanwhile though, people are now calling for those who might dismiss his life or

make fun of him, uh, should be canceled.

Mm-hmm.

So the very people who are, you know, which is completely contrary

to the so-called free speech thing.

Yeah, absolutely.

And um, Donald Trump reposted different comments that people made, one of

whom was calling for a crackdown on the media who tell untruths.

And that, uh, referring to a particular act that they now want to be, um,

reinvigorated and called the Charlie Kirk Act, which would basically be all

about censoring, um, and punishing news organizations for telling untruths.

And, uh, you know, if you take the best light of Charlie Kirk, you know,

free speech advocate, let's talk and have conversations that was completely

against what he would've wanted anyway,

in theory.

So, um, yeah.

Um, Julius says the engravings was supposedly connected to the gr part

movement associated with Nick Fuentes.

Nick Fuentes is another right wing commentator type.

Mm-hmm.

And, um, and Alex says, cancel culture.

They just telegraph what their.

Planning on doing standard bully tactics, wh about things they're planning on doing

and to unimaginative to actually work out what they are left would actually do.

So

talking of the far right, have you seen what's been going on in the uk?

Yeah.

Yes.

Getting outta control

with the St. George's cross is being painted everywhere and then a Unite

the fascist rally, sorry, unite the kingdom rally in London at the weekend

with a hundred thousand people.

A lot of people, the counter protest was 10,000.

Yes.

So a basically a nationalist Yes.

Anti-immigration.

March.

Yeah.

No,

an anti brown people march.

Okay.

Anti brown people march.

Yes.

Because they're fine with immigration as long as it's

the right sort of immigration.

The irony of course, was you see these videos of people who

are clearly in that march 'cause they're carrying banners of the St.

George Cross.

Mm-hmm.

And, and after the march getting Indian takeaways, they're getting

Indian s they're at all these ethnic food stores getting their food.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

There's an enormous amount of hypocrisy in the uk.

You know, it's just that, um,

in every community, hey,

yeah, it is.

It's getting, it appears to be worse in the UK than what it is anywhere else.

But I just think to myself that, um, there are only two, possibly

one, possibly two bad elections, bad election results from becoming

the Republic of Gilead themselves.

So remove, yeah.

So it's a reform

party, which isn't Yeah.

A political party.

It's a, no, it's a public limited company.

Yeah.

That, um, what's his name?

Nigel Farage.

Yeah.

Nigel Far.

Nigel Charles To rhyme with Garage.

Oh, Farage To rhyme with Gage.

Well, yes.

That's the way he likes to pronounce it, because he thinks it sounds

he's, he's a man of the people despite being very, very upper class.

Uh, yeah.

Uh, okay.

Um, yes.

Uh,

uh, and then, uh, Alison has a link, which is of an interview

with an Oxford female student who debated Charlie about her tactics.

Anyway, he did a lot of debating, um.

Which I don't think he's, I don't think he was a, a, he wasn't genuinely

seeking an exchange of ideas.

I think he was.

No, that's what he actually claimed.

Berate people.

That's what he was claiming he was doing.

He was claiming that he was reigniting the age old argument and that sort of stuff.

And you, you had to get a nicer form of discourse, which was

all a very laudable thing to do.

However, he wasn't using it like that.

He was using it as a way of belittling people.

And also, you know, and like Joe said, he said, you know, he apparently

gets concerned if there's a black pilot on because did he get the job

because he was good at the job or did he get the job because he was black?

Mm-hmm.

You know, that sort of nonsense.

That was the sort of shit he actually said.

Mm-hmm.

According to Chris Hedges, Kirk was a cheerleader for the cult of Trump

embodied the hyper-masculinity that is at the core of fascist movements.

He was perhaps his, uh, this was perhaps his primary attraction

to youth, especially white men.

He claimed there was a war on men.

He fetishized guns and sold Trump to his followers as a man's man.

And a quote from Kirk was, there's a lot you can call Donald Trump.

No one has ever called him feminine.

He's a giant middle finger to all the screeching hall monitors that

attacked young men for just existing.

He's a giant fu to the feminist establishment that

was never challenged before.

He came down the golden escalator.

Most of the media missed this.

Young men did not.

So, uh, I see a bit of yes, that whole sort of Andrew Tate.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

There's a hell of a lot of that in there.

Yeah.

Oh God.

And yeah, what you said, Joe, um, he was demeaning towards black people.

A quote from him was.

If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a neurotic black woman, is

she there because of affirmative action?

End quote.

Oh God.

Um,

what else did he have here?

Oh, and he was, well also,

uh, customer service is a dead end job and, um, nobody wants

to

do it.

Yeah.

Uh, it's low paid and lots of grief.

Mm-hmm.

So it's gonna be, unfortunately, the, the people who can't afford to be

elsewhere that end up in that job.

Mm-hmm.

Andy was a poster child for our emergent Christian fascism.

He peddled the great replacement theory, which claims liberals or globalists

allow immigrants of color into the country in order to replace whites.

Well, you remember the origins of that theory was Jews were deliberately

breeding the blacks to replace.

No.

So this is back in the clan days.

The, the

Klan accused the Jews of Yep.

Of encouraging black reproduction,

basically.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right, because that would, that would turn America left, which would assist the Jews.

Is it

basically, it would replace the whites.

The, the, the good Christian whites would be replaced right.

By the blacks and the Jews.

Okay.

Okay.

Because I, I would've thought most of those people seem to be very pro-ISIS,

Israel and pro Jews because of their Christianity wanting a whole sort of, um,

yeah.

Yeah.

This is a

rewriting of

history.

Right.

Okay.

That was early days.

Early.

Come back.

Early days.

They, Randy

Jew.

Now they pretend to be proje.

Okay.

Because it suits their Christian agenda.

Mm-hmm.

It's the end times, uh, facilitated by mm-hmm.

The Jews reclaiming, uh, that Yeah.

Oh my God.

God.

A real estate transaction and that sort of shit.

Bloody religions.

Correct.

Um.

Okay.

Um, I Enough, Charlie, Kirk, anyone got anything else to say about him?

No.

Other than, you know, well, he's dead.

Yeah.

Careful there.

Scott.

You know,

I didn't say that I was happy that he was dead or anything.

I just said, yeah, he died for what he believed in.

If you already got,

he died.

He died from what he believed in.

And I do not, I do not support what he believed in.

I, I say it jokingly, just because if you were ever crazy enough to

wanna reenter the United States,

no, I, you can forget

about it having been part of this podcast.

No, I've already said to Brian and everything else, I said, the

next time we go to North America, we're gonna fly via Hong Kong.

We're gonna land in Vancouver and we're gonna see Canada.

Yeah.

And then we are not going back to the United States until there

has been at least two terms of the Democratic president.

Okay.

Hmm.

Okay, good.

No, I, I just think it's gonna take at least two terms for them

to clean up the mess that has been created by this president.

Mm-hmm.

You know, and that's assuming that they can actually reverse it.

That's assuming that there is another free and fair election in four years time.

I doubt the Supreme

Court is so screwed at the moment and they're all there for life.

Yeah.

It's, I, I'm not convinced that we are going to, that we're going to see the

United States back to where it once was.

You know, I, I just think that it's going to continue, its decline right

now, and it probably will be the end of the Democratic experiment over

there, which will result in a Christian fascist country rising out of it all.

Mm-hmm.

And then, um, that's going to lead us to a hell of a lot of problems because,

you know, do you really want the Republic of Gilead armed with nukes?

Mm-hmm.

It's, that is something that does actually keep me up at night is the Republic of

Gilead being armed with nukes because they will, they will use them for the

fir, they will use them and without any warning or anything else they will use.

Oh, that

was always the argument against, um, the Iranian regime, getting them,

was that if, if you wa if you want the end times to come, should you

really be holding nuclear weapons?

Well, if we just wanna divert briefly about the end of the

hegemon since we last spoke.

There was the Shanghai Cooperation Yes.

Organization.

Yeah.

That was between India and China and someone else, wasn't it?

Uh,

Russia, China, Kazakhstan, um, and a bunch of other stands were

the initial members, but, um.

As they were, um, meeting, I think this time North Korea had a prominent place.

But anyway, Russia and China are bosom buddies these days.

Scott and Joe, like Yeah, I know it.

It's one of those

things I think the Americans have really fucked that whole thing up.

Yeah.

And they, they push the Chinese closer and closer to closer and

closer to the Russians and they have created a hell of a lot of

problem for the Europeans outta that.

And they've now pushed India

and they've now

pushed India, Russia, China hands, Russia, China as well, because

it's just tariffs and other stuff.

Exactly.

It's utterly insane thing to do.

Yep.

And then we had at the same time then, no, shortly afterwards we had the

ceremony celebrating the achievement of the Chinese, um, against defeating

the Japanese in the second World War.

Yeah.

And, and I tell you.

The, the marching and the parade of weapons seem to have a profound effect

on a lot of people who maybe hadn't been watching what's going on there lately.

And a lot of, particularly when you compare it to the parade that

Trump had in Washington, Hmm.

A couple of guys in car key walking down, holding a drone in their hand as they, as

they just sort of saunt it along without attempting any sort of precision marching.

And the Chinese put on a display of a committed, organized parade and

march and you thought to yourself, um, they're well organized.

This group, if they've put half as much organization into military tactics and

making weapons as they have in into their marching, there's no way America or anyone

else is gonna defeat them like it was.

I think a bit of a wake up call for a lot in the West who looked at that

ceremony that it was and thought shit.

This is superpower when it comes to military, just on the basis of a parade.

I think

it's, no, I think Japan, I think that China is now superpower.

I don't think there's any argument about that.

Mm-hmm.

But

I don't think people would really, I think it has more.

Warships than America.

Like, double the number of warships than America.

It's thought.

Oh, just neighbor in the world.

Yeah.

So,

um, so, you know, if the US takes 'em on, they've got no chance.

I absolutely no chance.

Yeah.

I'm

every, I'm not prepared to write them off completely.

Scott, the Yes, every, every war gaming exercise you'll take,

China wanted to take Taiwan.

Every war, gaming exercise.

Exercise says that China says it's over in minutes.

Yeah.

And that America loses and it makes sense.

You can't,

you can't actually, if you're keep all that stuff across the water, you'd have to

maintain a, you have to maintain a supply line from the United States to Taiwan

and, and that would take them a very long time to actually impossible achieve that.

They couldn't.

It's impossible.

Also, then they're also gonna be targets of the China, the PLAs

Air Force and everything else.

It's impossible.

It's gonna be virtually impossible.

No, not

virtually, Scott.

Actually impossible.

Well, yeah.

And that's according to the US themselves.

Yeah.

Let their own games.

Let's

hope.

Let's hope that it never actually comes to that.

Well,

of course.

Let's Uri first.

Say again.

Watch Manchuria first.

Well, I know

that China wants Manchuria back and that sort of stuff.

I'm still not convinced that they actually will not upset the

apple cart with Russia over that.

Right.

They've, they've reached,

but Russia is so distracted at the moment.

The Ukraine,

yeah.

No.

Russia and China have reached agreement regarding gas pipelines now that

Yeah.

No, no.

They've reached extremely memorandum of

understanding.

Yeah.

But they've

agreed to agree that maybe

they might, possibly in the

future.

No.

When China and Russia enter memorandums of understanding, 99.9% of the deal is

done like they are going to construct.

The necessary gas pipeline.

And China basically said, no, no agreements been reached.

No, they didn't.

At the end of that,

no, it's, it's full steam ahead on that.

So anyway, um, there're as close as ever and it was a, another sign of, uh,

the alternative options in the world.

And there's, you, you could see, um, the global south and much of Asia is swinging

in behind China, Russia, bricks, mm-hmm.

Et cetera.

And

yeah, I've got no doubt

hemond days are, are numbered.

Mm mm So that was a little divergent onto that.

Um, what did I wanna say with that?

Uh oh, oh yeah.

And just that, um, as part of the ceremony.

Who from Australia was there?

Dan Andrews and the former foreign minister.

What was his name?

Dan Andrews was

there.

Yeah.

But what was the former foreign minister's name?

Um, yes.

Uh, car.

Car, yeah.

Bob Car.

Yeah.

But he

wasn't in the walking in the group.

No,

I don't think he was over there.

Yeah.

And um, but yeah, Dan Andrews was there and of course, well it just

goes to show that Dan Andrews is a raging communist.

Of course he

was there.

It was the celebration of the Chinese victory over over

Japan.

Our joined Tan Enemy, exactly.

Our joint enemy.

And, um, and who played a vital role in, uh, you know, in the defeat of the Nazis

and the Japanese lost a lot of men and.

Um, you know, of course Dan Andrews was Sky News nearly wet themselves

in going to town over Dan Andrews.

They can't stand of course.

Um, so, uh, so they went to town on that.

Um, and I mean, people forget that these guys were our allies, the Chinese mm-hmm.

As were the Russians.

Yeah.

And I just wanna find, if I can see here, there was, um, sorry, the Soviet Union.

Um,

yeah.

I don't think there's any doubt that the Soviet Union won the

Second World War at the eggs.

Um, I've actually heard it.

Basically the Soviet Union supplied all the

human meat, the meat grinder.

Yeah.

Uh, whereas had it not been for the American weapons.

And the British intelligence, they'd have lost a, an awful lot more people.

Yeah.

I don't think there's any doubt about that, but I just think

to

myself that,

um, but yes, they did distract the Americans.

Oh, sorry, the Germans.

Yeah.

They did distract them for a very long time.

Mm-hmm.

Um,

you know, 'cause if Hitler hadn't have been, had been fixated on the Soviet

Union and that sort of stuff, then he would've been able to turn his attention

to Britain and he would've taken them out.

Yeah.

So there were a number of commentators who, um, who tried

to play down China's role.

Um, and I just can't tell.

Well, we a

fairly busy fighting a civil war at the time.

Uh, yes.

But, well, actually they put the Civil War on hold while

they were fighting the Japanese.

So yeah, there

was a bit of an argument between who was, who was more responsible

for fighting the Japanese was the Cuman, Ang was of the communist.

And, and Sarah Ferguson on, uh, was interviewing, I think Bob Carr.

And you know, the point was made about how many, uh, Chinese

died in fighting the war.

Mm-hmm.

Um, on our behalf, you know, in well as our allies.

And she tried to say, well, of course, uh, that was not the Communist party.

That was the Tang or Tang.

Yeah.

And it, you know, it wasn't, it was all Chinese.

And it was a real, sort of, um, misinformation by her to say that, you

know, Chinese communists were not involved in the fight against the Japanese.

And they absolutely were.

It was just an unnecessary snarky and incorrect statement.

'cause she's such a anti-China spruiker.

Couldn't, couldn't just give them credit for what was done in the 1940s still.

Um, and, uh, and then it was, it was one of the EU leaders.

Young female voice and she was like suggesting that China was not our

side in the war and that it was, they were trying to rewrite history.

In fact, the history is we did, they did help us so good on the Chinese.

I say the holding a parade and just saying to the world, Hey guys, remember we were

involved in that war as your allies.

We were on the same side.

Worth remembering.

And by the way, have a look at the shit load of people and machinery we've

got, uh, if we ever need to again, I

think

good on it.

I thought it's one of those things.

I just hope that it never actually comes to a fisticuffs because both

sides will be bruised terribly.

Mm. Um, this article, Joe, I thought it'd come from you,

but I dunno where it came from.

Uh, John

said it came from him.

Ah, okay.

Thank you, John.

Um.

Sam Altman notes, AI and bot traffic now dominates online content with

reports showing bots account for over 50% of internet traffic.

And a data firm identified over a thousand web news outlets that are

predominantly operated by automated bots.

Mm-hmm.

With many spreading false or misleading information.

Reports show bots constitute, uh, 40, yeah.

51% of traffic, 2024.

And really, I can't believe that of

traffic, possibly of comments.

Mm-hmm.

'cause yeah, the, the huge majority of traffic is video

and the bots are sending text.

Right.

Okay.

Um, in any event, uh, it is an interesting idea that so much of the internet is now

being, so much of the content is mm-hmm.

AI generated?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, you look at propaganda, YouTube

comments, and then there'll be a comment about so and so being a great,

um, advisor on how to trade crypto.

And then there's 50 comments underneath from different users agreeing and

going, oh, my, I, I, I was really impressed with how he helped me.

And then someone else going, oh, this is interesting.

Please send me the details.

And they're all separate.

Bot, well, it's probably the same bot, but has all these usernames.

Yes.

Just flooding the comments with spam.

Yes.

And it's the same, you know, um, if you try and have conversations online, uh,

an awful lot of the replies will be, uh, bots pushing up political point of view.

And, um, the internet research group, is it the Russian, uh, troll farm?

That basically aren't there to push a point of view,

they're there to push division.

Right.

So they go in and deliberately both sides an argument to

try and pump up the rhetoric.

They don't care about either argument.

Just yeah.

To, to boost up division.

And

you know, my Russian friends were saying during COVID, it was the Russian bots

who were saying how bad, uh, the COVID vaccines were in Russian at the same

time as the government was spruiking, the COVID vaccine, the Sputnik or

whatever it was that they'd invented.

Right.

But it was, it was Russian government owned bots that were arguing against it

because that was so programmed for creating division.

Yeah.

My understanding is the Sputnik vaccine, an turned out vaccine, turned out

to be quite a good one, didn't it?

I think it worked okay.

Yeah.

I dunno,

I don't think it was as good as, um, the mRNAs, but it wasn't useless.

No.

Yeah, um, uh, where was I actually, I found there's that one on Sarah Ferguson.

Um, let me just see.

Um,

as in the princess,

um, not

chess,

uh, as in, uh, I'll do that.

NBC journalist.

Yeah.

Yeah, right.

Um, no, I'll just leave that one.

I've moved on from that Now.

Um, uh, quick wrap up of Gaza since we've last talked.

Well, Israel, um,

so just a few sort of paragraphs from different comments, particularly

Caitlyn Johnson since we last spoke.

Um, recent hours have seen too much Israeli depravity to write about,

including an assassination strike in Qatar de Sabotage Peace talks.

So.

When you start looking at the number of sovereign countries

mm-hmm.

That Israel is bombing, they're really racking them up.

Um, yeah.

Qatar's the latest one because Hamas leaders were there for peace

talks, but they, you know, um, uh, they, they're not assassinated,

not interested.

If you're not actually interested in peace, then what you do is you assassinate

those that are there to negotiate peace.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

There's another flotilla, much like the Greta Thunberg, uh, first

boat, but of the number of them, so they've been attacking those boats.

I think at least one of those was in Tunisia.

So there's another country where they just go in and start bombing

people they don't like apparent

GREs.

Thunberg was on some other Fila that got set fire, some drone dropped

flammable material on her boat.

Yes.

Um, they bombed a Doha residential building.

Uh oh.

That was the home ass one.

Um, uh, what else did they do here is um, um, so they killed 30

journalists in a, an attack on a press office in Yemen on Wednesday.

Um, 'cause the only things the Israelis have more than bombing hospitals

is assassinating news reporters.

Um, on Thursday they abducted over a thousand Palestinians in the West Bank

and marched them through the streets.

It was in response to an attack on some Israeli soldiers.

So did you guys see footage of that in the West Bank?

No.

So you just see them marching these poor people like you could

imagine the Nazis did with.

The Holocaust victims, you know, marching 'em out of town is like a

thousand people in the West Bank.

Um, and, um, Benjamin Netanyahu signed off in a Major West Bank settlement

expansion on Thursday, proclaiming that there will be no Palestinian state.

This place belongs to us and Israeli Finance Minister Ridge added that the

West Bank will soon be annexed and move.

The Trump administration has reportedly signed off on.

And then since we last talked, there was that double tap strike on a hospital

in Gaza, the NASA hospital, where they basically, uh, struck the hospital,

waited 10 or 15 minutes, which is about the right time for emergency

personnel to, to, you know, get there and start trying to pull bodies out.

And then.

And then blew it up again in a second strike, so as to kill aid workers.

And, you know, I've probably missed a bunch of other, um, events.

But no, no country is safe.

No body is safe.

They are relentlessly.

You sort of think when are they gonna run out of bombs?

But of course, America's funding them all, so they won't, they just, they

just, it amazes me their capacity to say Fuck you to anybody and everybody

and do the most insane things possible.

And what do we do in Australia?

We kick out the Iranian ambassador and leave the, um, Israeli ambassador there.

So Aio, since we last met, claimed.

Iran was behind some of the terrorist attacks on synagogues and Jewish

businesses and things, so possibly AIO claimed it's, um, Iran is the state

actor behind it, but of course, who's Asia relying on for that information?

Well, probably from the, um, Mossad, no

doubt, Israel, and does that mean now okay.

That we don't really have an antisemitism problem in Australia?

Because you are saying Anthony Albanese, that that was the state

actor Iran responsible for that.

And the, and you've booted the ambassador.

So it was a beat up, uh, politically by the Iranian group and, and

that it's not a, it's not a true.

Um, problem on the ground with Australians being antisemitic.

So maybe wind back all of the, you know, we don't need antisemitism

envoy anymore, if that's the case.

Sounds like

you get a plan.

None of that, of course, none of that.

So, so the group that is committing the atrocity far in excess of anything

that's been done in Australia, uh, the ambassador's still welcome to stay, even

though their Prime Minister is wanted by the ICC as an international criminal.

And our prime minister talks to Netanyahu and tells people, yes,

I thanked him for the phone call.

What an insane world we live in.

That's just a briefest wrap of, of the continuation of what's

gone on in the last three weeks.

Over there, relentless evil killing and government still supports it.

Ah, there we go.

You see the new Banksy?

Yes.

So that was on a British court court building Yes.

And sort of making out that justice was not being served in some way.

I can't, yes.

It was a

judge attacking a protester with a gavel.

Yes.

Which, and the courts tried to cover it up Yes.

And didn't do a very good job of it.

Mm. And actually kind of made Banksys point for him.

Yes.

Yeah.

So yeah, I mean, you see scenes, um, you just don't see 'em on mainstream media.

Of course.

You have to go onto Twitter and whatever to see little old

grannies and people in wheelchairs.

Um

mm-hmm.

Supporting Palestinian action and getting hauled into vans and arrested.

Well, as my friends in the UK say, you know, there was, I don't know, 200 people

arrested at the Palestine action protest.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, and yet only 25 were arrested at the a hundred thousand

fascists marching through London.

Yes.

Uh, and it's, you know, it's one rule for them and one rule for the others.

Yes.

And if you're a right winger, you're fairly safe in being

as antisocial as you like.

Yes.

It is' an Orwellian dystopian world we are in.

Um,

yeah, it's not pretty.

Um, yeah.

Ah, if I get anything positive to end up on, um, typically, um, typically I

don't, and I don't think I do this time.

Hey, summer's almost here.

Yeah, but that's true.

Summer's nearly here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I've gotta get another air conditioner put in my house.

Mm-hmm.

Alright, well dear listener, we made it back.

That's another podcast.

Uh, as we're rattling through things, the holidays are over.

I will have time next week.

We'll definitely podcast next week.

You guys around.

Yeah, probably if you join us in the chat room.

Um, thank you very much.

Good on you.

All those people.

Lots of good comments.

Uh, goodbye from us for the moment.

See you next week.

Bye for now.

And it's a good night from me and it's a good night from him.

Good night.