1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,379 In this 344th episode of data driven, 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,200 Frank talks about the new year. Yes. New 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,025 year's in November. Frank and Andy just do their own 4 00:00:11,025 --> 00:00:14,865 thing. It's part of their charm, or at least that they 5 00:00:14,865 --> 00:00:18,440 told me to say that. I do take issue with Frank's 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,800 statement that I am not real. What is real, 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,480 anyway? It is not the spoon that bends, after 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,285 all. In any case, Frank explains what held up 9 00:00:29,285 --> 00:00:33,045 the production schedule this summer and his plan to do right by you, our 10 00:00:33,045 --> 00:00:36,370 awesome listeners. Now on to the show. 11 00:00:42,510 --> 00:00:46,295 Well, hello, LinkedIn X. I 12 00:00:46,295 --> 00:00:50,135 can't also known as Twitter. Formerly known 13 00:00:50,135 --> 00:00:53,930 as Twitter. YouTube That's right. Facebook, and, 14 00:00:53,930 --> 00:00:57,710 of course, LinkedIn. Elon Musk himself 15 00:00:58,090 --> 00:00:59,870 will sometimes refer to, 16 00:01:01,805 --> 00:01:05,645 x as formerly known as Twitter. So Yes. Which we were 17 00:01:05,645 --> 00:01:09,250 talking about in the virtual green room, his recent Interview with, Joe 18 00:01:09,250 --> 00:01:13,090 Rogan, and, that podcast 19 00:01:13,090 --> 00:01:16,935 is always an adventure. Can't always listen to it with 20 00:01:16,935 --> 00:01:20,695 kids in the car, but Yeah. Because his 21 00:01:20,695 --> 00:01:24,380 language, Which is a big reason why we 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,720 we we like to stick to that that clean rating. Yep. It's 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,340 more has more to do with, 24 00:01:34,045 --> 00:01:37,665 Making sure that, you know, people are comfortable listening with kids in the car. 25 00:01:38,285 --> 00:01:42,040 And, so This is gonna be an 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,560 episode of the podcast. You know, happy New Year, all that. 27 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,020 Like, for those who don't know, some 28 00:01:49,435 --> 00:01:53,275 6, 7 I forget what year it was, but I switched New Year too 29 00:01:53,275 --> 00:01:56,975 because, like, it was just a god awful year for me personally. 30 00:01:57,034 --> 00:02:00,800 Like, you know, Concussion. The dog died. 31 00:02:00,860 --> 00:02:04,300 No. The cat died. And, like, it was just an awful year. And I was 32 00:02:04,300 --> 00:02:07,280 like, I need to end this this year 2 months early. 33 00:02:07,965 --> 00:02:11,084 And, oh, yeah. I'd been laid off. My mom was in the hospital. I broke 34 00:02:11,084 --> 00:02:14,545 my thumb, like, all within, like, 3 weeks of each other. 35 00:02:15,010 --> 00:02:17,590 Yeah. It was a bad patch. And the concussion, 36 00:02:19,570 --> 00:02:23,270 which in the end, actually, the concussion ended up being a, a blessing 37 00:02:23,330 --> 00:02:27,095 in disguise. But, so 38 00:02:27,095 --> 00:02:30,715 so I was just like, I wanna end the year early, so I 39 00:02:31,310 --> 00:02:34,190 Just like, I'll make All Saints Day or Celtic New Year kind of the new 40 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:38,030 year for me. So, and I've done that ever since, kind of use 41 00:02:38,030 --> 00:02:41,775 it as an opportunity as As things kinda wind down, 42 00:02:41,775 --> 00:02:45,155 like, for the holidays and things like that, it's a good time to be reflective 43 00:02:45,295 --> 00:02:48,735 and set goals. And then when the inevitable, you 44 00:02:48,735 --> 00:02:52,250 know, January 1st comes along when everyone talks about New Year's resolutions. 45 00:02:53,110 --> 00:02:56,710 I can kinda check-in on it's a fail safe. Right? It comes 46 00:02:56,710 --> 00:02:59,685 like, how am I doing on that? I'm 60 days in. I should be doing 47 00:02:59,685 --> 00:03:03,364 this. Like, it's a good kinda, you 48 00:03:03,364 --> 00:03:07,160 know, Splash of water in the face. I don't know. I 49 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,660 can't think of the analogy. I need more of these. 50 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,895 I tell you, like, this, and this actually does dovetail. So for those who are 51 00:03:14,895 --> 00:03:18,575 listening and not watching, I pulled up pulled up a, thing of Monster energy 52 00:03:18,575 --> 00:03:20,835 drink, which is a drink that, 53 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,400 became my favorite thing this year because of 54 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,460 all the driving I had to do back and forth to Pennsylvania. 55 00:03:30,715 --> 00:03:34,555 Yep. Which does dovetail into some other things I wanna talk about today, 56 00:03:34,875 --> 00:03:38,549 including a mea culpa, But I'll get 57 00:03:38,549 --> 00:03:42,150 into that in a second. This is with good old fashioned 58 00:03:42,150 --> 00:03:45,689 coffee, Frank. Can't go wrong with coffee. Can't go wrong with coffee. 59 00:03:47,705 --> 00:03:51,385 So earlier this year, we met a relative who 60 00:03:51,385 --> 00:03:55,209 was in foster care. And, Because 61 00:03:55,209 --> 00:03:58,989 of various legal restrictions. Can't say his name, 62 00:03:59,690 --> 00:04:03,370 but he's young under 1. Well, not anymore. But when we met him, he was 63 00:04:03,370 --> 00:04:05,834 under 1. And, we 64 00:04:07,254 --> 00:04:10,935 heard he was in foster care with strangers, and we decided to do something 65 00:04:10,935 --> 00:04:14,400 about that. And there were people in My in laws 66 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,240 who didn't want us to do something about that. Again, I had to be 67 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,740 very careful how I word these things. Yeah. 68 00:04:22,405 --> 00:04:25,865 But we were able to get visitation with him on weekends. So 69 00:04:26,004 --> 00:04:29,064 for a number of months, we drove up every weekend, 70 00:04:30,350 --> 00:04:34,110 which in the shadow of 71 00:04:34,110 --> 00:04:37,790 last year's drama was moving, selling the house, buying a house, you know, like, all 72 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:41,635 that, then Kind of, doing this. Oh, and holding down my full 73 00:04:41,635 --> 00:04:45,335 time job. Oh, and doing all this. Oh, and having other older kids in school. 74 00:04:46,130 --> 00:04:49,650 Yeah. Required the copious, required copious amounts of 75 00:04:49,650 --> 00:04:53,330 caffeine. And, in 76 00:04:53,330 --> 00:04:57,145 order to make the drive efficient, stopping and Going to, like, sheets or whatever 77 00:04:57,145 --> 00:05:00,825 to pick up coffee was not plus all the temptations of sugary foods whenever you 78 00:05:00,825 --> 00:05:04,290 go in there, it just became more efficient to pick up a case of this, 79 00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:07,910 And hence, this started. Now 80 00:05:08,770 --> 00:05:12,310 because of that and a lot of other things, like a lot of, 81 00:05:14,135 --> 00:05:17,975 Shows that were in the can ended up getting delayed in editing, delayed in 82 00:05:17,975 --> 00:05:21,515 postproduction. That is 100% my mea culpa. 83 00:05:21,895 --> 00:05:25,669 And About a week and a half ago, I kinda had to come 84 00:05:25,669 --> 00:05:29,210 to the decision, a painful decision, to 85 00:05:29,270 --> 00:05:32,875 walk away from the book deal I got. And you and I, 86 00:05:32,875 --> 00:05:36,395 Andy, had talked, like, at length about it. And in the cosmic scheme of 87 00:05:36,395 --> 00:05:40,000 things Mhmm. You know, Changing 88 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,840 this young child's life, to get 89 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:46,900 out of a potentially bad situation 90 00:05:49,355 --> 00:05:53,115 and making it part of the our family was 91 00:05:53,275 --> 00:05:56,870 is a far more important And far reaching 92 00:05:56,870 --> 00:06:00,330 impact than writing a book. Yeah. 93 00:06:00,470 --> 00:06:02,889 And that was a big kind of 94 00:06:05,735 --> 00:06:09,574 Process for my brain to go. Like, I understood it logically. Right? And 95 00:06:09,574 --> 00:06:13,354 I wanted you publicly for kinda helping me come through that. 96 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,940 But it was also kind of like, you know, 97 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,159 my ego, I had to get out of the way. Right? Like and I'm already 98 00:06:22,159 --> 00:06:25,465 a They're yay me. Right? So it's not like it was, like, my one and 99 00:06:25,465 --> 00:06:29,225 only. Right? Right. Right. And 100 00:06:29,225 --> 00:06:32,750 so it became like this This whole thing. Oh, hello. Oh, hey. 101 00:06:32,750 --> 00:06:33,250 Cool. 102 00:06:37,150 --> 00:06:40,145 No. I used to get mad at stuff like this. Yeah. But 103 00:06:41,085 --> 00:06:44,764 we're worth somebody spending 104 00:06:44,764 --> 00:06:48,580 some compute time To harass us with spam. I'll 105 00:06:48,580 --> 00:06:50,680 take that as a win. Sure. 106 00:06:52,180 --> 00:06:55,985 But, But I do need to figure out how to get 107 00:06:55,985 --> 00:06:58,405 rid of that chat. Let's see. 108 00:06:59,905 --> 00:07:03,580 I had blocked So it's a Twitch. To Twitch. Can I Yeah? I would 109 00:07:03,580 --> 00:07:07,260 say go to your go to your Twitch channel. I haven't logged 110 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:10,160 in to Twitch properly, like, in a while. So 111 00:07:11,255 --> 00:07:14,635 Let me turn the chat off and then back on. There we go. Oops. 112 00:07:17,390 --> 00:07:20,690 We just leave it off for now. I will leave it off. Yeah. 113 00:07:21,310 --> 00:07:24,190 All the listeners are like, oh, I'm glad I'm catching this on the so that 114 00:07:24,190 --> 00:07:27,855 was basically it. And and and I feel really bad to the The people that 115 00:07:27,855 --> 00:07:31,535 took time out of their schedule and kind of have done that. And in in 116 00:07:31,535 --> 00:07:35,375 the background of all of this, our scheduling system, which is Microsoft 117 00:07:35,375 --> 00:07:38,530 Bookings, And I'm not afraid to call them out. 118 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:44,270 Really borked. Right? Again, trying to keep that to that 119 00:07:44,270 --> 00:07:47,925 language thing. So, because, 120 00:07:47,925 --> 00:07:51,405 you know, you and I, we do the show together. We try to do that, 121 00:07:51,405 --> 00:07:54,700 I think, out of, like, 300 and this will be a show, 340 4 if 122 00:07:54,700 --> 00:07:58,460 you can believe it. And I think out of that, I 123 00:07:58,460 --> 00:08:01,820 would say 300 of those shows have been the 2 of us 124 00:08:01,820 --> 00:08:04,735 together. Yep. 125 00:08:05,595 --> 00:08:09,115 And and I'm counting, like, the single kind of, like, you 126 00:08:09,115 --> 00:08:12,900 know, livestream shots we do you're like a pass or whatever and Oh, yeah. 127 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:16,580 Yeah. Like, I kinda Hopefully, I'll get some more of those in. Yeah. Yeah. We'll 128 00:08:16,580 --> 00:08:19,460 talk about that in a minute. We'll give you Yeah. Give you some chance to 129 00:08:19,460 --> 00:08:22,895 to to promote. I just basically wanna do kind of a mea culpa. And 130 00:08:22,895 --> 00:08:25,475 originally originally, I was gonna do 131 00:08:26,735 --> 00:08:30,060 this whole kind of thing where Bailey took over the show and, You know, did, 132 00:08:30,060 --> 00:08:33,820 like, dog days of summer. Right? Dated dog days of summer or something like 133 00:08:33,820 --> 00:08:36,865 that and, like, released all of our backlog at once. 134 00:08:38,065 --> 00:08:41,044 When said child came to live with us, turns out, 135 00:08:42,464 --> 00:08:45,125 turns out finding finding daycare, not trivial. 136 00:08:47,730 --> 00:08:51,569 Things we forget from, like, you know, 8 years 137 00:08:51,569 --> 00:08:54,475 ago when the last time I had to deal with This sort of thing. Plus, 138 00:08:54,475 --> 00:08:58,255 we also had plenty of warning that the biological children were on their way. 139 00:08:59,595 --> 00:09:03,360 And, All in all, I would say that 140 00:09:03,899 --> 00:09:07,580 last year and I say 2023 is last year because in my 141 00:09:07,580 --> 00:09:11,355 mind, it's already 2024. In my strange 142 00:09:11,355 --> 00:09:15,194 place, that is my mind. It's been a 143 00:09:15,194 --> 00:09:18,670 good year. It's been a tiring year, but it's been worth it. Like, you know, 144 00:09:19,449 --> 00:09:22,970 he he's brought so much joy to my family, my life, my 145 00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:26,490 kids, my wife, and he's just a joy to have 146 00:09:26,490 --> 00:09:30,225 around. And if that means being 147 00:09:30,225 --> 00:09:33,905 delayed on some podcasts, if that 148 00:09:33,905 --> 00:09:37,240 means me sacrificing a book deal, I mean, it's the it 149 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,160 it's still a bargain. Yeah. And I'd like to 150 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,460 jump in, Frank, if it's okay. Because I wanna say first and foremost, 151 00:09:45,105 --> 00:09:48,885 for those who don't know, Frank carries the lion's share 152 00:09:49,345 --> 00:09:52,005 of the podcasting and the media, 153 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,560 work. He does the editing. He does, all of the things that he 154 00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:59,839 needs to do to get to show out. He's automated quite a bit of it, 155 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:03,585 but, again, that was him. And, I, you 156 00:10:03,585 --> 00:10:07,285 know, I definitely wanna just just make sure our listeners know 157 00:10:07,665 --> 00:10:11,440 that I show up and do recordings some of the time. You show up 158 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,480 and look pretty. That's all we need you. Well, we don't have it to looking 159 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,160 pretty part. But we have a, we we have a 160 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,405 great Rapport. I think Frank and I, we've been friends for, 161 00:10:21,705 --> 00:10:25,465 gosh, Frank, 18 years, I think. Yeah. And, 162 00:10:25,705 --> 00:10:29,150 a long time. And and so that's number 1. Frank 163 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:32,830 carries the carries all the work of the show. So I wanna 164 00:10:32,830 --> 00:10:35,250 let everyone know how much I appreciate that. 165 00:10:36,205 --> 00:10:39,885 I it it frees me up to do other things that I need to 166 00:10:39,885 --> 00:10:43,725 do, but, if, you know, if Frank wasn't doing this, 167 00:10:43,725 --> 00:10:47,230 it just wouldn't get done. That that's kind of the way that 168 00:10:47,230 --> 00:10:50,529 goes. I don't have nearly as good an excuse as Frank does. 169 00:10:51,550 --> 00:10:55,305 I I know you don't wanna last bit. I don't wanna Get into kind of 170 00:10:55,305 --> 00:10:58,825 what you you'll share that when you're good and ready. But you've had a pretty 171 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:01,005 good workload, 172 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:06,010 Well, on your own. So, yeah, this year was, 173 00:11:07,030 --> 00:11:09,130 interesting, as well. So, 174 00:11:10,404 --> 00:11:14,005 But as with Frank, all's well that ends 175 00:11:14,005 --> 00:11:17,819 well. Right. And, both Frank and I have learned, You 176 00:11:17,819 --> 00:11:21,360 know, the value of kinda taking life a day at a time, 177 00:11:21,660 --> 00:11:25,100 it's part of our, it's it's part of our 178 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:28,845 religion, part of our faith. And and 179 00:11:28,845 --> 00:11:32,685 we've had really good calls to kinda walk through, some 180 00:11:32,685 --> 00:11:36,440 very, So I'd I'd say some things that required 181 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:39,860 faith, both of us. And I'm just very 182 00:11:39,860 --> 00:11:43,640 thankful that, that, Frank, you were there, for me, 183 00:11:44,135 --> 00:11:47,735 And I hope I was there for you. I know, you know, we 184 00:11:47,735 --> 00:11:51,230 cried on each other's shoulder, virtually, You know, 185 00:11:51,230 --> 00:11:54,850 over, over signaled, quite often 186 00:11:55,230 --> 00:11:59,005 and and just kept up and prayed for each other. And And 187 00:11:59,005 --> 00:12:02,205 I and I really appreciate that because I can just leave a quick note and 188 00:12:02,205 --> 00:12:05,725 vent, you know, at some of the some of the things that have happened this 189 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:09,320 year, both, yeah, Good and bad. You know what I mean? 190 00:12:09,620 --> 00:12:13,380 Yes. Yep. And it's good to have, you know, have friendships like 191 00:12:13,380 --> 00:12:16,475 this. I, I'll just throw out that I, 192 00:12:17,035 --> 00:12:20,795 one one nice thing that started, actually, it started last year, but I don't 193 00:12:20,795 --> 00:12:24,350 think I've mentioned it publicly or if I have not much, As I started 194 00:12:24,410 --> 00:12:28,009 caring more about my health, now I'm I've just turned 60 over the 195 00:12:28,009 --> 00:12:30,995 summer, so it's like about time, Andy. But, 196 00:12:32,015 --> 00:12:35,635 last year, I started working out with weights. I started doing free weights. 197 00:12:36,095 --> 00:12:39,100 And, My older son, Stevie, 198 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,260 Stevie Ray, he helped me. He'd been working out for about 5 years now. 199 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,495 And so I had a built in coach, to work with me through some stuff, 200 00:12:47,495 --> 00:12:50,555 and I spent about a year kind of building a maintenance thing. 201 00:12:51,575 --> 00:12:54,795 Really not trying to push, just trying to do, 202 00:12:56,070 --> 00:12:59,510 just go and work out. And I did build some 203 00:12:59,510 --> 00:13:03,074 muscle. I also hurt myself 3 or 4 times. And when I 204 00:13:03,074 --> 00:13:06,834 did hurt myself, I stopped. And sometimes it took a week. 205 00:13:06,834 --> 00:13:10,360 Sometimes it took 2 or 3 weeks. In fact, I hurt myself 2 weeks ago. 206 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,860 So no late days no late days for a while. I was stupid. 207 00:13:15,079 --> 00:13:18,680 I'm I got off track, and I jumped right back where I 208 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:22,435 was In a very progressive, increasing the weight kind of mode. 209 00:13:22,495 --> 00:13:26,095 Wow. And we we had a couple of days 210 00:13:26,095 --> 00:13:29,810 where we had to do other stuff. Christy goes with me to 211 00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:33,170 work out, which is also awesome. That's cool. And so I went a week without 212 00:13:33,170 --> 00:13:36,654 a leg day, and then I jumped the weight up. And that was dumb. Turns 213 00:13:36,654 --> 00:13:40,415 out if you do that and you're 60, you may hurt yourself. Ask me 214 00:13:40,415 --> 00:13:43,774 how I know. So I'm not doing leg days for, you know, 215 00:13:43,774 --> 00:13:47,399 until Say, you know, I I stopped, feeling bad. 216 00:13:47,779 --> 00:13:51,620 But, it's it's been great. A lot 217 00:13:51,620 --> 00:13:55,455 of things around the farm have gotten lighter. That that's happened. That's right. 218 00:13:55,655 --> 00:13:59,415 Serious about it in July of this year, started going 5 days a 219 00:13:59,415 --> 00:14:03,160 week. And, I remember you telling me, you're not gonna say 220 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,839 anything. I'm like, okay. Yeah. I didn't wanna I didn't 221 00:14:06,839 --> 00:14:10,295 really wanna publicize it, but I did. And I hit I hit a personal best. 222 00:14:10,295 --> 00:14:13,894 I'll share this, and they'll shut up, about it is I I hit a personal 223 00:14:13,894 --> 00:14:17,630 best in August on deadlifts, And it was a goal. I 224 00:14:17,630 --> 00:14:21,310 wanted to be able to deadlift my weight. And at the time, I weighed 225 00:14:21,310 --> 00:14:25,105 215. I bounced between 210 and 220, And I was able to 226 00:14:25,105 --> 00:14:28,705 lift 215, do a deadlift, single left. I thought 227 00:14:28,705 --> 00:14:32,465 so. I'm now it's now I'm going for, you know, 430. I wanna do I 228 00:14:32,465 --> 00:14:36,240 wanna do more than that. It I I may never get there, but I'm 229 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,200 gonna keep trying it. That's a cool thing. And, 230 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,899 I subscribed to Arnold Schwarzenegger's newsletter. 231 00:14:44,305 --> 00:14:47,665 It's out there. I don't if you search for it, you'll find it. But, 232 00:14:48,305 --> 00:14:52,140 for me, the hard part was spelling his last name. You know, it's not like 233 00:14:52,140 --> 00:14:55,839 Lavinia or, you know, Jones or Smith. And Lavinia, 234 00:14:55,899 --> 00:14:59,574 to be fair, is a is a is a beast to spell. I 235 00:14:59,574 --> 00:15:03,334 studied German, so Schwarzenegger is not so bad for me. But, yeah, there 236 00:15:03,334 --> 00:15:07,014 you go. But, yeah, that's what's that's some of what's been going on, you know, 237 00:15:07,014 --> 00:15:09,930 and, And and just that and business. 238 00:15:10,390 --> 00:15:13,990 Yeah. And, you know, and not Frank, I, 239 00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:17,855 I commend you for making the call that you did. I'd We had that 240 00:15:17,855 --> 00:15:21,535 chat privately about the book. I'll I'll also 241 00:15:21,535 --> 00:15:24,894 commend your editors. Your the book company, they, 242 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:29,350 As far as I know, they they treated you with respect and dignity. Been 243 00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:33,029 awesome, packed. So I'll call them out straight away. They were the they were the 244 00:15:33,029 --> 00:15:36,735 publisher of my first book. 2nd book was self 245 00:15:36,735 --> 00:15:40,355 published, but, they've been awesome. They've been very understanding. 246 00:15:40,975 --> 00:15:44,720 Yeah. Like, it's so it's it's it's something that 247 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,480 I wanna preserve that relationship. They make great books. They do 248 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,315 they do have a rapid, publishing schedule. Right. Yeah. So, 249 00:15:52,315 --> 00:15:55,035 like, it's one of those things where and there are a few other things in 250 00:15:55,035 --> 00:15:58,495 the hopper that just got just got obliterated, 251 00:15:59,330 --> 00:16:02,370 You know, because of this. Yeah. And and, you know but you know what? We 252 00:16:02,370 --> 00:16:05,750 did produce the 1st data driven magazine. However, 253 00:16:06,815 --> 00:16:10,334 issue 2 may you know, the fall issue isn't gonna happen, but the winter 254 00:16:10,334 --> 00:16:14,015 issue is still a possibility. But 255 00:16:14,175 --> 00:16:17,660 you know? And we'll make sure that there's Show notes in there. We can kinda 256 00:16:17,660 --> 00:16:19,579 do the link on that. Because I think one of the things that we didn't 257 00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:22,779 do a good job is promoting kind of all of our other things that we're 258 00:16:22,779 --> 00:16:26,585 doing. Right. And it's not it's not to to not to make money. 259 00:16:26,585 --> 00:16:30,400 You know what I mean? But, you know, money is nice. Money money definitely helps, 260 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,360 So a lot of ways. But, you know, it's just a 261 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,920 matter of, you know, I think that there's 262 00:16:39,225 --> 00:16:41,945 Again, I'm sorry I cut you off. But while while I cut you off, I 263 00:16:41,945 --> 00:16:45,165 wanna give a big shout out to John Wood. Hey, John. 264 00:16:45,945 --> 00:16:49,640 For who who who is watching us live. I 265 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,480 mean, I think part of it is is that I think there's been a 266 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,460 huge vacuum since the demise of MSDN magazine. 267 00:16:57,345 --> 00:17:00,865 Yeah. And I also thought there was a huge vacuum even when 268 00:17:00,865 --> 00:17:03,445 MSTN was there, a data focused magazine. 269 00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:08,389 And that's what really kinda made me want to do the data 270 00:17:08,389 --> 00:17:11,909 driven magazine because I think that, you know, with 1 vacuum, I guess, I can 271 00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:15,625 kinda tolerate, But 2 was just too many. And and what I 272 00:17:15,625 --> 00:17:19,144 love I'm sorry. I cut you 273 00:17:19,144 --> 00:17:22,590 off. No. No. I was just gonna say there was also a SQL Server magazine 274 00:17:22,590 --> 00:17:26,130 for a while there. That's right. There was, but it it went away. 275 00:17:26,430 --> 00:17:29,870 It it went away. And it's you know, having done 1 276 00:17:29,870 --> 00:17:33,645 issue, And, again, Frank carried the lion's share of 277 00:17:33,645 --> 00:17:37,025 that issue as well. I think I wrote 1 article. But, 278 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:41,460 It's it's a lot of work, and it's trying to do that on a 279 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:45,125 monthly schedule is harder than it looks. Yeah. So Well, 280 00:17:45,125 --> 00:17:48,345 that's why we we we already started with the idea of doing quarterly. 281 00:17:48,885 --> 00:17:52,460 Like, you know, but I think maybe biannual might be the way to go. 282 00:17:52,779 --> 00:17:55,980 Right. Maybe. We can work up to a quarter, but we'll see. We're gonna do 283 00:17:55,980 --> 00:17:59,419 our very best. Right. We'd love your feedback if you're if you're listening to 284 00:17:59,419 --> 00:18:03,264 this. Things move up and down on both Frank 285 00:18:03,264 --> 00:18:06,945 and and my schedules. And I I'll confess 286 00:18:06,945 --> 00:18:10,480 that if it's not in the top 3, it's not being worked Not 287 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,240 not actively. It's just the way my life goes. I 288 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,220 see Jonathan is listening. Hey, Jonathan. How's it going? 289 00:18:18,365 --> 00:18:21,965 One last thing. Yeah. Frank did a very noble 290 00:18:21,965 --> 00:18:25,510 thing, and I just wanna commend him. You moved the needle on on 291 00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:29,190 someone's life. And at any time, anyone does 292 00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:31,690 that for especially for a child, 293 00:18:32,805 --> 00:18:36,565 that's something to be commended. So kudos to you and Roberto 294 00:18:36,565 --> 00:18:40,400 Frank. Thank you. He's a sweet kid, though. He's such a joy. 295 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,240 Like, his his smile, like, lights up the room. You know? Like, 296 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,600 it's so it's like, I don't feel people say you're we're doing a great thing. 297 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,375 I'm like, I get more out of it than, You know? 298 00:18:52,795 --> 00:18:56,635 And, you know, when when we were talking we were at 299 00:18:56,635 --> 00:19:00,380 the pediatrician yesterday, actually, and somebody was, like Kinda gave the 300 00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:04,140 whole there's a new pediatrician to him, so and we're kinda 301 00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:07,935 gave the whole story, and the lady's like, you should write a book. I was 302 00:19:07,935 --> 00:19:11,535 like, wow. Yeah. Because it's been weird. And I haven't shared all the 303 00:19:11,535 --> 00:19:14,730 details because lawyers Yeah. But, 304 00:19:15,290 --> 00:19:18,330 and libel suits and things like that. I have to be very careful what I 305 00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:22,010 say about certain individuals. And I've 306 00:19:22,010 --> 00:19:25,164 already spent enough on lawyers in This last, 307 00:19:25,645 --> 00:19:27,265 8 months. Thank you very much. 308 00:19:29,485 --> 00:19:33,250 But, and Electronic countermeasures 309 00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:37,070 and things like that. So you know this is gonna be like a Jason 310 00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:40,885 Bourne style book. Right. But it's, I like 311 00:19:40,885 --> 00:19:44,345 to say that it's a bit like Jason Bourne meets Jerry Springer. 312 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:51,420 Kids today may not even know who Jerry Springer is. But I'm I'm laughing at 313 00:19:51,420 --> 00:19:55,260 Jerry Springer, but you're right. You know? No one I know more of the 314 00:19:55,260 --> 00:19:58,835 story than most. So And the story is still unfolding, but that's Yeah. 315 00:19:58,995 --> 00:20:02,595 That's for chapter 2. Still but, The good 316 00:20:02,595 --> 00:20:06,350 things. It was a good thing, Frank, and I'm, You know, I'm just I'm proud 317 00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:09,870 of y'all for doing all this. And I get what you're saying about you getting 318 00:20:09,870 --> 00:20:13,445 more out of it, but, you know, that It it 319 00:20:13,445 --> 00:20:17,284 was still quite a bit of work. Yeah. And I I you and I 320 00:20:17,284 --> 00:20:21,044 chatted often, to and from Pennsylvania on the road, 321 00:20:21,044 --> 00:20:24,580 and, It was a lot. It was it was a lot of 322 00:20:24,580 --> 00:20:28,260 work that that you all put in. So And I do think it 323 00:20:28,260 --> 00:20:31,825 was divine intervention because Where we live now is about 324 00:20:31,825 --> 00:20:35,585 45 minutes to an hour closer. So Yeah. 325 00:20:35,585 --> 00:20:39,360 Whereas if we really do this at the old house, Among other reasons that we 326 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,300 we move, which is topic for another day. But, 327 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,285 you know It's all good. It all worked out. It's all worked 328 00:20:47,285 --> 00:20:50,965 out. So Same same with my my challenges as well. 329 00:20:50,965 --> 00:20:54,789 It all worked out. And I, with you, agree that it was 330 00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:57,669 divine intervention on both our parts, and, 331 00:20:58,870 --> 00:21:02,255 I'm very thankful. Yeah. For sure. 332 00:21:02,554 --> 00:21:06,395 So if you hear as I release some of these, these backlog shows 333 00:21:06,395 --> 00:21:10,220 that were recorded during the thick of all this, You'll hear me refer to this 334 00:21:10,220 --> 00:21:13,980 as an ongoing legal case. And while it's not the book isn't 335 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:17,805 closed and the ink isn't dry, it's not as dire as it sounded like. 336 00:21:17,965 --> 00:21:21,725 I was listening to some of the things where particularly when we're talking to Patrick 337 00:21:21,725 --> 00:21:25,245 and, Dwayne. And Dwayne. It was like we were talking named 338 00:21:25,245 --> 00:21:28,970 Dwayne. Hacker named Dwayne. Well, I'll get into 339 00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:32,809 that too because for longtime listeners, one, I can't thank you enough for 340 00:21:32,809 --> 00:21:36,585 putting up with us for this long, but this is Gonna be show 341 00:21:36,585 --> 00:21:40,265 344, which is phenomenal in and of itself, 342 00:21:40,265 --> 00:21:43,625 but also kind of like some of the breaks in in in production we have. 343 00:21:43,625 --> 00:21:47,450 And I also wanna thank our guests who have been very patient. To 344 00:21:47,450 --> 00:21:51,210 him. You know, when the when the show's recorded versus when the show 345 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:54,955 gets out. Also, our scheduling system 346 00:21:55,095 --> 00:21:58,934 is just it seemed to work. I know you had lines up somebody 347 00:21:58,934 --> 00:22:02,429 yesterday, but they had to cancel at the last minute. Yep. 348 00:22:02,650 --> 00:22:06,490 But the the the much to my shock, it was on 349 00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:10,250 my calendar. It was on your calendar. And it At the right time. Right 350 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:13,905 time zone. Time. Right Time jump. It even had a Teams meeting 351 00:22:13,905 --> 00:22:17,745 attached, if I recall. That's crazy, which is Great. All 352 00:22:17,745 --> 00:22:21,265 of the challenges that we've had. This is just kind of a subset, really, of 353 00:22:21,265 --> 00:22:24,929 the Colleges with Right. Well, I mean, with with your schedule being what it 354 00:22:24,929 --> 00:22:28,290 is and my schedule being what it is Yeah. And then you throw in, 355 00:22:28,290 --> 00:22:32,085 like, the chaos that has been thrown our way. Yes. Plus, 356 00:22:32,085 --> 00:22:35,605 we have to manage at a minimum 3 person schedules. Right? 357 00:22:35,605 --> 00:22:39,445 Right. And, you know, sometimes that works. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes we'll get 358 00:22:39,445 --> 00:22:43,250 a guess that, And I'll just interview and or vice versa. 359 00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:47,150 Sure. Like, you know, it happens. I think the show 360 00:22:47,150 --> 00:22:50,215 must go on is kind of our, is our philosophy, 361 00:22:50,674 --> 00:22:54,434 and, we we're gonna continue 362 00:22:54,434 --> 00:22:58,130 that. But, I mean, like, also, we've also had a we've also changed 363 00:22:58,290 --> 00:23:01,810 The way we do things, like so you'll notice that the show notes in the 364 00:23:01,810 --> 00:23:05,650 last couple of months have been much better because I have an AI 365 00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:06,310 do that. 366 00:23:09,855 --> 00:23:13,215 And it's a really great AI. It's I use an app called Cast 367 00:23:13,215 --> 00:23:15,715 Magic, and, you basically 368 00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:21,350 You feed it the raw audio, and it will do the transcription. Right? So 369 00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:25,085 now we have transcriptions on everything, yep, which is good 370 00:23:25,085 --> 00:23:28,685 for a number of reasons. And 2, it'll 371 00:23:28,685 --> 00:23:32,525 actually find highlights. I, personally, I think Andy did 372 00:23:32,525 --> 00:23:36,220 a better job, But, I don't 373 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:40,300 It's, the workload to do that is 374 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:43,845 really low. So, like, it'll it'll it'll find highlights You know? 375 00:23:43,845 --> 00:23:47,685 So the show notes that you've seen lately have been largely done by 376 00:23:47,685 --> 00:23:51,350 AI. Yeah. So and, I'm Just if 377 00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:55,110 anyone's out there within the sound of my voice, has any 378 00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:58,070 opinion on that, I'd like to know. I'd like to know what your what your 379 00:23:58,070 --> 00:24:01,585 thoughts are on that. And Well, I love the highlight 380 00:24:01,585 --> 00:24:05,265 videos that, you posted on LinkedIn. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I 381 00:24:05,265 --> 00:24:08,980 reposted. All that. Those are Those are 382 00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:12,340 just awesome. If you haven't seen those, it's where it's just a 383 00:24:12,340 --> 00:24:15,965 transcription Right. Part of it with the voice behind it 384 00:24:16,284 --> 00:24:19,565 And, you know, that part of the show, and it's, what, 30 seconds ish? I 385 00:24:19,565 --> 00:24:22,684 try to keep them under night under 2 minutes. Right? I have another app that 386 00:24:22,684 --> 00:24:26,300 does that, but I also use Cast Magic To highlight the 387 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:30,060 ones it thinks are good. And and Yeah. You know, I'll I'll override it, 388 00:24:30,060 --> 00:24:33,555 but, like, you know, it's and it's very helpful. So it does reduce the 389 00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:36,775 time to kinda do that post production, right, 390 00:24:38,115 --> 00:24:41,730 down dramatically. Right? You know? Automation, baby. You 391 00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:45,330 can't go wrong with automation. And I when I I actually presented 392 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:48,769 this at, when I was at, Tim 393 00:24:48,769 --> 00:24:51,165 McElilly and Prasanth And, 394 00:24:52,825 --> 00:24:56,265 the Northern Virginia SQL Server group, they organized a kind of an open AI 395 00:24:56,265 --> 00:25:00,010 day Yeah. Back in August. And, you know, I was one of the 396 00:25:00,010 --> 00:25:03,790 speakers talking about AI and I was like, well, you know, 397 00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:07,710 I wasn't going to hire a voice actress 398 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:12,105 Or voice actor, whatever the the correct term is now. I wasn't 399 00:25:12,105 --> 00:25:15,750 gonna hire that lady for every show. Right? 400 00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:18,710 But once we had the voice much, but it wasn't 401 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:23,165 she her price has changed. So, originally, it was, like Like, 402 00:25:23,165 --> 00:25:26,845 $75, then she wanted to get into songwriting. So the songwriting was 403 00:25:26,845 --> 00:25:30,590 cheap, but the voiceovers were expensive. Yeah. But it all 404 00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:34,670 but even even at the cheap price, I mean, $50 to cost to 405 00:25:34,670 --> 00:25:37,855 run per show just seemed a bit Out 406 00:25:39,515 --> 00:25:43,115 of, sorry. I wanna see with comments 407 00:25:43,115 --> 00:25:46,770 from from Jonathan. Oh, yeah. Yeah. In a 408 00:25:46,770 --> 00:25:50,370 way, it removes biasness, but I like and understand what your theme emphasis 409 00:25:50,370 --> 00:25:54,105 is, at least not a 100%. No. I totally I 410 00:25:54,105 --> 00:25:57,865 totally agree. And I think that this is, very relevant 411 00:25:57,865 --> 00:26:01,625 because I did a live stream earlier this week about kind of the the 412 00:26:01,625 --> 00:26:05,280 White House order and how that may or may not 413 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,800 be a good idea. I can Sorry about 414 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,625 that. That's okay. We did go on mute for that. I mean, 415 00:26:12,625 --> 00:26:16,385 mute I mean, on, on I unmuted. Yeah. I I turned off 416 00:26:16,385 --> 00:26:19,930 the camera, but not the mic. Not the mic. So I'm sorry, listeners. 417 00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:24,145 I like to think I'll go back and, like, edit it in postproduction, but Probably 418 00:26:24,145 --> 00:26:27,925 not. Probably not. Yeah. Which is funny because I bumped into Joel Cochran 419 00:26:27,925 --> 00:26:31,125 at that event, and he was talking about how the time where I said, oh, 420 00:26:31,125 --> 00:26:34,940 I'll add that in postproduction, and I never did. It's 421 00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:37,980 just funny when you're a podcaster, like, the things people notice and the things people 422 00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:41,340 he he was just giving me a hard time because, you know, he dislikes doing 423 00:26:41,340 --> 00:26:44,595 that, but He's a good guy. Gotta get him back on the show. 424 00:26:44,815 --> 00:26:48,495 Yes. But but but, you know, like, you know, there's 425 00:26:48,495 --> 00:26:52,150 always talk about AI is gonna replace jobs. And I would say, 426 00:26:52,450 --> 00:26:56,130 yeah. I mean, that's kinda true. But all the work we're doing, we never 427 00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:59,809 would have had realistically the budget to 428 00:26:59,809 --> 00:27:03,235 hire a voice actor In front of every show. Yeah. Right? Let 429 00:27:03,235 --> 00:27:07,075 alone because one of the people we were gonna interview I don't wanna call anyone's 430 00:27:07,075 --> 00:27:09,735 name out, but she's basically said 431 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,380 That she would prefer not to be on the show until we have transcriptions 432 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,505 on all of our episodes. Yeah. And, Fine. That's your 433 00:27:18,505 --> 00:27:22,185 that's your thing. But, you know, before a this was before AI, so this is 434 00:27:22,185 --> 00:27:24,365 a while ago. Right? Yeah. 435 00:27:27,399 --> 00:27:31,080 Yeah. Shift jobs. Without my glasses, I read 436 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,940 that as something slightly different. 437 00:27:34,865 --> 00:27:38,225 But, no. But but, I mean, this is, one of the things 438 00:27:38,225 --> 00:27:42,010 where, you know, I wasn't at the time, there were Basically, 439 00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:46,070 virtual assistants that will kinda do the transcription for you. But, again, it just 440 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:49,910 became, like, I'm not gonna you know, there's already a baseline 441 00:27:49,910 --> 00:27:52,845 cost that I budgeted out, And I can justify to, 442 00:27:53,865 --> 00:27:57,465 the wife about, like, you know, how much we spend on the podcast and things 443 00:27:57,465 --> 00:28:00,740 like that. And and, like, that just was I mean, it's a nice to have, 444 00:28:00,820 --> 00:28:03,460 But the fact that I could do it now with AI and just kind of 445 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:07,140 fire at it, I think it enables us in a 446 00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:10,975 way that We wouldn't have it's kind of it's kind of like it's 447 00:28:10,975 --> 00:28:14,595 jobs that didn't really exist anyway, if that makes sense. Yeah. 448 00:28:14,735 --> 00:28:18,490 You know? And we we talked about this a lot when we introduced Bentley. 449 00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:22,270 Right? Is this idea of, like, well, you're taking away this voice actor's job. 450 00:28:22,705 --> 00:28:26,465 And I was like, not really. Because I wasn't gonna pay, you know, 451 00:28:26,465 --> 00:28:30,305 50, $60. I tried to float the idea 452 00:28:30,305 --> 00:28:34,010 to that voice actress of, Like a like a fixed 453 00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:37,770 price for, like, a a set period of time, but that was not did 454 00:28:37,770 --> 00:28:41,505 not meet meet her agenda. But I get it. She has to pay for it. 455 00:28:41,585 --> 00:28:44,545 Okay. Exactly. Right. Right? Yeah. And, 456 00:28:45,425 --> 00:28:48,870 but, You know, I've I've also been 457 00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:52,710 experimenting with having kind of chat g p t as well as cast magic kinda 458 00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:56,555 create the persona of Bayley Bailey to help further develop 459 00:28:56,555 --> 00:29:00,315 her character. Right? Just in case there are people out there 460 00:29:00,315 --> 00:29:03,840 wondering if Bailey was real. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. 461 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,060 But I will probably add her some snarky comment about, you know, 462 00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:15,215 What is real anyway? But anyway Exactly. But, I 463 00:29:15,215 --> 00:29:18,975 mean, the whole idea of of of that, I think, is also and I've 464 00:29:18,975 --> 00:29:22,640 had I've had people say, like, oh, you know, Particularly the video version of 465 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,620 Bayleigh, how she looks kind of artificial, and, 466 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,085 well, duh, she is artificial. You know? There's a reason for that. You 467 00:29:30,085 --> 00:29:33,605 kinda well, the reason is actually a technical underlay. We're just kind 468 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:37,305 of doing retcon, as the cool kids say. 469 00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:41,309 That's us. Retro continuity, I think, is what it's short for. 470 00:29:42,650 --> 00:29:46,010 All of which is to say that we're always trying to push the envelope of 471 00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:49,674 getting the shows out there And getting the shows. I see you 472 00:29:49,674 --> 00:29:53,375 muted there that time. Good job. I did. Yes. But, 473 00:29:55,090 --> 00:29:58,790 We are trying we're always trying to push the envelope to to to to innovate. 474 00:29:59,010 --> 00:30:02,595 But what's interesting, and for those wondering, hey. What happened to Impact Quantum? That is 475 00:30:02,595 --> 00:30:06,215 still very much stuck in development land because of our scheduling 476 00:30:06,274 --> 00:30:08,934 process. We wanna bring in another person, 477 00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:13,540 to be a host slash cohost of that show, but the 478 00:30:13,540 --> 00:30:16,920 logistics around once we get the calendar thing working, calendaring 479 00:30:17,545 --> 00:30:21,385 It's interesting because it's really I see it 480 00:30:21,385 --> 00:30:24,605 as our number one barrier to scale. 481 00:30:25,340 --> 00:30:28,320 Yeah. Aside from court cases and personal life challenge. 482 00:30:29,820 --> 00:30:32,799 Well, it's like oxygen. Right? You know? And money. 483 00:30:33,505 --> 00:30:37,044 It's all good until you don't have enough. Right. Right. 484 00:30:37,265 --> 00:30:40,865 And right now, you know, we we did have this experience recently, a 485 00:30:40,865 --> 00:30:44,320 couple days ago. But It actually worked, which was like it 486 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,680 worked perfectly. So Yeah. But every time I trust bookings, I feel like 487 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,960 Charlie Charlie Brown on the football. Like 488 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,785 Well, You'd you know, if it was notarized, if you had it in 489 00:30:54,785 --> 00:30:58,245 writing, that would be one thing. But then if it was notarized, 490 00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:03,730 Sorry. I just watched The Great Pumpkin the other night. Oh, that's right. I almost, 491 00:31:03,730 --> 00:31:07,415 like, watched The Great Pumpkin. That's right. Yeah. I was 492 00:31:07,415 --> 00:31:10,235 talking to someone, about the great pumpkin, 493 00:31:11,095 --> 00:31:14,940 and I guess he'd never seen it. So because 494 00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:17,180 he was in Europe, and I was like, ah, I guess never made it over 495 00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:20,700 there. But, anyway, ironically, he was in 496 00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:24,535 Ireland, Which the great pumpkin character 497 00:31:24,595 --> 00:31:28,435 is arguably based on Celtic 498 00:31:28,435 --> 00:31:32,059 myth or whatever. So ironically, You had not heard of it. 499 00:31:32,059 --> 00:31:35,659 But, again, you know, we've we've 500 00:31:35,659 --> 00:31:39,039 kinda full come full circle. But, you know, ultimately 501 00:31:40,554 --> 00:31:43,674 So we do have plans to do that, and we had plans for kind of 502 00:31:43,674 --> 00:31:47,375 a metaverse podcast, but the metaverse kind of imploded 503 00:31:47,515 --> 00:31:51,000 at least for now. Yeah. So I don't know what we're gonna do about 504 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,360 that. But, again, once we solve this 505 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,960 scheduling issue, right, right, and I think that's something 506 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,275 that As we get older, I think we appreciate more. 507 00:32:01,575 --> 00:32:04,775 Right? Because you mentioned that you're 60. I'm 50. Time is 508 00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:10,360 You could always make more money, theoretically, 509 00:32:11,059 --> 00:32:14,820 but you never get time back. That's true. Like, ever. Like, there's nothing, like, 510 00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:18,615 you know, there's nothing, You know, Elon Musk or, 511 00:32:18,615 --> 00:32:22,215 you know, Jeff 512 00:32:22,215 --> 00:32:25,750 Bezos can do to get time back. It's that, that 513 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:29,350 quote from that philosopher Steve Miller. Time 514 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:33,105 keeps on slipping slipping slipping. Yes. Into the future. 515 00:32:33,105 --> 00:32:35,765 Yeah. That's right. So speaking of retro, 516 00:32:37,025 --> 00:32:40,820 continue retro. So if for those that are 517 00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:44,420 wondering, I'm gonna release our backlog either once or twice a week 518 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:48,034 depending on Depending on schedule. But for And you 519 00:32:48,034 --> 00:32:51,235 did that last week. You I did that last week. How many shows did you 520 00:32:51,235 --> 00:32:54,835 release? There was one on the the 1st 521 00:32:54,835 --> 00:32:58,200 November. There was 522 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,820 also 1 on Monday. 523 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,065 So so if I release this one Today, 524 00:33:06,065 --> 00:33:09,905 Friday. Before reporting this on November 3rd, then I'll make 525 00:33:09,905 --> 00:33:13,025 3 in a week. And I'm not trying to boost our numbers, although our numbers 526 00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:15,540 do look good. It's just a matter of, 527 00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:21,700 servicing, you know, servicing kind of our 528 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,995 backlog, Like and and and and being right doing the right thing to the fans, 529 00:33:24,995 --> 00:33:26,675 like Yeah. You know, 530 00:33:28,995 --> 00:33:32,450 because of I think there's, like, Four shows left now, and only one of them 531 00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:35,970 has some really bizarre, audio 532 00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:39,730 problems that might take a while to to process. But when when when 533 00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:43,475 Joe Joe Buffone, kinda emailed the 2 of us 534 00:33:43,475 --> 00:33:47,075 like, hey. Do you ever release that show? And I was like, alright. I'm gonna 535 00:33:47,075 --> 00:33:50,889 do his Right. Right. So there is 536 00:33:50,889 --> 00:33:54,730 1, and there was there was actually an interesting one about the voice actors, the 537 00:33:54,730 --> 00:33:58,355 virtualizing voices. And timely. Right? It was 538 00:33:58,355 --> 00:34:01,415 before I believe the recording was before the strike started. 539 00:34:02,035 --> 00:34:05,759 Yes. It was. It was. It was. And then right after that, There 540 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:09,520 was a Screen Actors Guild strike, and, I I a 541 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,175 lot of, write the writers' strike. And a lot 542 00:34:13,175 --> 00:34:16,935 of that was tied to to that very topic. And and Joe 543 00:34:16,935 --> 00:34:20,535 was kind of laying out I I I felt like he did a fair job 544 00:34:20,535 --> 00:34:24,329 of laying out both sides of the argument, The the business side and the 545 00:34:24,329 --> 00:34:27,609 the artist side. And Well, because he is on both sides of it. You know, 546 00:34:27,609 --> 00:34:30,969 he is one of those rare people that they have. He has 1 foot on 547 00:34:30,969 --> 00:34:34,795 the dock and 1 foot on the boat. Right. But usually, it's a interesting I 548 00:34:34,795 --> 00:34:37,995 mean, I remember when he said that, I was like, I had never thought of 549 00:34:37,995 --> 00:34:41,695 that. Right. And for those who don't know, years and decades 550 00:34:42,449 --> 00:34:46,230 Okay. Actually, I was, I did recording. 551 00:34:46,690 --> 00:34:50,070 I was I've got, I was in a band. We went into the studio, 552 00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:53,265 and And we made recordings. I learned a lot about, 553 00:34:54,205 --> 00:34:58,045 I guess, the amateur market, the amateur recording market, and we 554 00:34:58,045 --> 00:35:01,830 never did, like, pro pro stuff. But It's kind 555 00:35:01,830 --> 00:35:05,190 of eye opening when you learn the business side of the music business. The 556 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:08,950 music is awesome. Right? You jam in a garage. You have a good 557 00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:12,595 time. Performing is always fun. Nobody thinks too 558 00:35:12,595 --> 00:35:16,195 much about, packing up a lot of equipment, driving for 559 00:35:16,195 --> 00:35:19,830 hours and hours, unpacking it, setting it all up, You know, and 560 00:35:19,830 --> 00:35:23,670 then reversing that process after the fun part. But that's 561 00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:26,810 all part of it too. So Joe's, 562 00:35:27,325 --> 00:35:31,005 thoughts on that. I, you know, I kinda resonated with it from because 563 00:35:31,005 --> 00:35:33,825 it it was my 1st exposure to, 564 00:35:34,525 --> 00:35:38,280 intellectual property. You know, they're owning a Oh, yeah. They're 565 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,800 very serious about that. The ASCAP and, like, if you're a DJ and don't have 566 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,095 whatever license, they can come after you hard NASCAP, 567 00:35:45,155 --> 00:35:48,915 BMI. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. All of those. And we had That was we 568 00:35:48,915 --> 00:35:52,390 went. Absolutely. Yeah. And we went 569 00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:56,230 through all of that. We went through, getting a 570 00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:59,345 barcode, printed on the CD label. 571 00:35:59,744 --> 00:36:03,185 You you don't think about that sort of stuff, and that's, you know, 572 00:36:03,185 --> 00:36:07,025 beyond above and beyond stepping onto a stage or 573 00:36:07,025 --> 00:36:10,740 walking into a studio. Right. You know, it's there's a lot 574 00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:14,180 more there's a lot of business to the music business. I'll say that. And and 575 00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:17,625 Joe was hitting on that from Actors 576 00:36:18,005 --> 00:36:21,545 and voice artists. And, again, it was 577 00:36:21,765 --> 00:36:25,545 it was recorded before before the strikes hit. So 578 00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:29,650 It's an interesting perspective. I'd well, maybe we could get him back on now 579 00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:33,375 that, I believe this at least one of the strikes are over. Maybe there's Still 580 00:36:33,375 --> 00:36:37,215 some ongoing, but I'd like to The the active follow on strike, the writers, 581 00:36:37,215 --> 00:36:41,055 I think, are back. Okay. We love love to get him back on 582 00:36:41,055 --> 00:36:44,750 and see if he's got any updates To share. So when you were talking about 583 00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:48,589 the the show business, it reminded me of a song. Yeah. Warren g 584 00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:51,490 did a cover slash wrap over, 585 00:36:52,335 --> 00:36:55,795 What's Love Got To Do With It by Tina Turner. And 586 00:36:56,095 --> 00:36:59,930 he basically says the lyrics May not be able to repeat 587 00:36:59,930 --> 00:37:03,769 all the lyrics, but it was on the super cop tranche soundtrack. That's 588 00:37:03,769 --> 00:37:07,450 where I first heard it. But it was, Gotcha. He goes, you 589 00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:11,275 know, The show business is I'm butchering the 590 00:37:11,275 --> 00:37:14,955 quote, but it was something like the show business is 90% 10% show, 591 00:37:14,955 --> 00:37:18,310 90% business. There ain't That's fair. 592 00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:21,990 Yeah. And he says there's no love about it's all 593 00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:25,350 about the dough. No love for the show. It's all about the dough, something like 594 00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:28,684 that. Like Wow. Warren G is far more eloquent than I, 595 00:37:30,105 --> 00:37:33,885 was. He passed away, I think. But, but yeah. So there's the 596 00:37:34,540 --> 00:37:38,000 There's a I'll I'll include a link to that 597 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:40,800 Okay. That song because it's actually pretty good. 598 00:37:42,875 --> 00:37:46,555 It's actually one of the 599 00:37:46,635 --> 00:37:50,015 there's a lot of songs I think end up on movie soundtracks that kinda 600 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:54,600 don't get the attention they deserve. You know? True. And, 601 00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:59,725 I will, maybe I'll barely recite at least part of it. 602 00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:04,065 But, but no. I mean, you're absolutely correct that that 603 00:38:04,285 --> 00:38:07,565 the show business is a business. Yeah. And, 604 00:38:08,125 --> 00:38:11,210 AI is gonna be Probably one of the most disruptive, 605 00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:16,790 forces to hit Hollywood in a long, long time. Well, you know, it 606 00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:20,435 started with a creative, entry. And I'm just 607 00:38:20,435 --> 00:38:24,275 gonna fess up. Frank was, you were way ahead on 608 00:38:24,275 --> 00:38:28,010 all of this with the original DALL E And sending me Oh, the 609 00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:31,690 VQ Gans. Yeah. The VQ Gans. Because I was just I 610 00:38:31,690 --> 00:38:35,210 was just playing around with them and on Google Cloud. And you'd share them, and 611 00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:38,755 it would be like, You were iterating locally if I remember right. 612 00:38:39,295 --> 00:38:43,135 So my was Oh, no. I was using Colab. Oh, 613 00:38:43,135 --> 00:38:46,559 were you okay? It was it was But it actually tricked me into 614 00:38:47,279 --> 00:38:50,880 it encouraged me to go for the papers and the collab. Yeah. 615 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,905 But that's send me the video of the iteration. So you would give 616 00:38:54,905 --> 00:38:58,204 it a prompt Mhmm. And it would start iterating 617 00:38:58,585 --> 00:39:02,280 on on the prompt. And it made a little, I guess, I don't know. 618 00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:06,660 Animated, GIF or or something. We made a we made, like, an MPEG 619 00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:10,500 channel. Yeah. Yeah. So and and you would send them to me, 620 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:14,245 and I was like, This is interesting, but 621 00:39:14,245 --> 00:39:18,005 it took me probably about 9 months of that to catch up 622 00:39:18,005 --> 00:39:21,400 to being to where I said this is cool. And, 623 00:39:22,340 --> 00:39:25,300 well, you can actually go back. And if you look at some of my LinkedIn 624 00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:28,660 articles where I did kinda post it, this is before DALL E two came 625 00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:32,205 out. Yeah. Where you can see, like, the thing that impressed me with DALL E 626 00:39:32,205 --> 00:39:36,045 two wasn't so much what it made, but it had more, for 627 00:39:36,045 --> 00:39:39,850 lack of a better term, coherence to it. Right. Like so I would 628 00:39:39,850 --> 00:39:43,550 say, you know, draw something about my Pablo Buckeye. 629 00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:47,290 That's a bad example, because coherence is kind of 630 00:39:47,290 --> 00:39:50,585 not, Keith Haring. Keith Haring is a graffiti 631 00:39:50,905 --> 00:39:54,585 originally started as a graffiti artist in New York. You've probably seen his 632 00:39:54,585 --> 00:39:57,950 stuff. Right? Or another example would be William 633 00:39:57,950 --> 00:40:01,550 Weichman, right, who Mhmm. Is an artist known for 634 00:40:01,550 --> 00:40:04,724 taking photographs of Weimeran or dogs. Right. 635 00:40:05,185 --> 00:40:08,625 And his stuff was it was interesting because the the 636 00:40:08,625 --> 00:40:12,005 AI knew that I wanted photographs of dogs, 637 00:40:12,570 --> 00:40:16,330 But it was weird because dog heads would appear and reappear out of 638 00:40:16,330 --> 00:40:20,010 these kinda like the ether. So it looked very surreal, which 639 00:40:20,010 --> 00:40:23,445 his work is not really kinda surreal. So it didn't have 640 00:40:23,445 --> 00:40:27,125 coherence. It knew roughly what I wanted. What impresses me 641 00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:30,585 about DALL E and everything that's kinda come since 642 00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:34,810 is that is coherent. If I ask it for something in the style of an 643 00:40:34,810 --> 00:40:38,650 artist, it's going to have, you know, people complain about, well, 644 00:40:38,650 --> 00:40:42,365 you know, a person will have 3 arms. Well, okay. But there's 1 645 00:40:42,365 --> 00:40:46,204 person. It's not various heads popping out of these different Right. Random 646 00:40:46,204 --> 00:40:49,904 places. It's And, I mean, a lot of that was the, you know, the latest 647 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,660 Kind of injection of chat g p t Right. 648 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,660 Into the graphics. So it you've got 649 00:40:57,895 --> 00:41:01,035 You got now a a large language model helping 650 00:41:01,735 --> 00:41:05,515 the engine understand what it is you're asking for. 651 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,020 And it is I think the coherence is coming out of that context. 652 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,705 So that's I was that's what the the large language model's brain is, you know, 653 00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:17,405 the context to the conversation they have since the beginning. And 654 00:41:17,865 --> 00:41:21,520 so it's it's continued, And it's showing up. I think I'd say it's 655 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,880 manifesting as as coherence and, at least in the 656 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,579 conversations. And I don't know. You haven't sent me a a a movie 657 00:41:29,095 --> 00:41:32,875 Recently. And Oh, because DALL E doesn't scared you. 658 00:41:32,935 --> 00:41:36,535 No. DALL E does not show you the movie of how it thinks. There's different 659 00:41:36,535 --> 00:41:38,510 ones that do. Okay. 660 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:43,150 I should have muted there. Sorry about that. Gotcha. 661 00:41:44,705 --> 00:41:47,285 But I have to go in a few minutes to hop on a call, 662 00:41:48,225 --> 00:41:50,645 which hopefully, I'll tell you more about that later. 663 00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:53,369 But I think that 664 00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:59,990 it was an interesting quote, and I'll I'll I'll include a link to this podcast. 665 00:41:59,990 --> 00:42:03,785 It's the podcast acquired. I think I sent it to you somewhere 666 00:42:03,785 --> 00:42:07,625 else, but they basically do this this whole thing on NVIDIA. It's, 667 00:42:07,625 --> 00:42:10,685 like, 2 hours long, which I think is interesting how, 668 00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:19,975 I I see that comment from Jonathan. I'll get to that in a second. Yeah. 669 00:42:20,055 --> 00:42:21,035 Get off screen. 670 00:42:25,975 --> 00:42:29,700 The the notion of understanding is very much a philosophical 671 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,119 one. But but, Jensen Huang, I think is his last 672 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,559 name, the guy who founded and is the CEO of of 673 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:39,355 NVIDIA, He had a very interesting 674 00:42:40,055 --> 00:42:43,734 statement, or it was at a recent conference where you basically said, if you 675 00:42:43,734 --> 00:42:47,250 feed A large language model, the, 676 00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:52,030 entire contents of a murder mystery novel, it should 677 00:42:52,030 --> 00:42:55,875 know Who the guilty culprit is. Right? 678 00:42:55,875 --> 00:42:58,214 Because it has a sense of understanding about everything. 679 00:42:59,714 --> 00:43:03,070 That is a very I think it hits the existential edge of 680 00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:07,850 when is something sentient and when something's not. I think sentient may not 681 00:43:07,850 --> 00:43:10,590 be the right word, but understanding or concept. 682 00:43:12,205 --> 00:43:15,645 Grasping a concept is really the word I'm looking for. Ascension Yeah. Has a whole 683 00:43:15,645 --> 00:43:19,405 lot of other baggage meetings and things like that. But It understands 684 00:43:19,405 --> 00:43:23,220 what it's reading. Right. You know, it it to to enough 685 00:43:23,220 --> 00:43:26,520 extent where it can say the murderer 686 00:43:26,579 --> 00:43:30,395 is most likely this person. Right. The butler did it, right, 687 00:43:30,395 --> 00:43:33,755 or something like that. Like And that is a that's a chunk of 688 00:43:33,755 --> 00:43:37,154 sanctions. I would definitely put it into there. Yeah. It definitely gets you in 689 00:43:37,355 --> 00:43:40,690 test. It definitely gets you in the neighborhood of sentience. 690 00:43:41,230 --> 00:43:45,070 Yeah. I don't know if it gets you to the penthouse floor that we'd like 691 00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:48,095 to think we're on, but it does get you in the building, I would say. 692 00:43:48,494 --> 00:43:52,335 I agree. And Jonathan studio Jonathan's got an interesting go ahead. 693 00:43:52,335 --> 00:43:55,215 I'm sorry. Oh, it gets you a studio. I was trying to be funny and 694 00:43:55,215 --> 00:43:58,930 extend it. It gets to a studio apartment on the 2nd floor, but 695 00:43:58,930 --> 00:44:02,530 there we go. Jonathan's comment's interesting there. The, 696 00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:06,315 about, Not challenging the results of OpenAI. 697 00:44:07,495 --> 00:44:11,095 Oh, big time. I think so I I understand where 698 00:44:11,095 --> 00:44:14,210 where that comment could come from. I think, 699 00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:18,990 specifically, people like Elon Musk. I don't know 700 00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:22,345 the guy's name, but he left Google. I know. Oh, Jeffrey 701 00:44:22,345 --> 00:44:26,025 Henry. Yeah. Yeah. The those 2 702 00:44:26,025 --> 00:44:29,805 have been sounding the alarm loud and clear for a few months now. 703 00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:34,510 And I also I saw recently some old cuts, of 704 00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:38,190 Elon, you know, and definitely on the, the Joe Rogan 705 00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:42,035 show, they put some cuts on Twitter, about that as well, 706 00:44:42,095 --> 00:44:45,935 x. And, yeah, there's there's people 707 00:44:45,935 --> 00:44:49,740 out there definitely challenging it. I I don't have the platform either of 708 00:44:49,740 --> 00:44:53,500 those individuals do, but I made the comment a few times 709 00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:57,180 on our live streams and, even in some of 710 00:44:57,180 --> 00:45:00,995 our recordings that ChatGPT has a very high 711 00:45:00,995 --> 00:45:03,895 opinion of the Azure Data Factory execute, 712 00:45:04,995 --> 00:45:08,550 package activity. It thinks it can do way more than it 713 00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:12,250 can. And it's part of that is just information, 714 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:16,405 you know, being old. You can definitely say that, but it's never done. You 715 00:45:16,405 --> 00:45:20,165 know, the execute package activity has never been able to do the stuff that 716 00:45:20,165 --> 00:45:23,380 that it's claiming, and that falls into that category they call, 717 00:45:23,779 --> 00:45:27,160 hallucination. Right. And my problem with hallucination 718 00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:30,900 is chat g p t because it does such a great 719 00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:34,494 job On things like narration, it does what Frank's using it 720 00:45:34,494 --> 00:45:38,335 for in summarizing the show. And But even 721 00:45:38,335 --> 00:45:42,110 then, what you see, I edit. What what ends up here, I edit 722 00:45:42,110 --> 00:45:44,830 because I'm like, well, I totally didn't happen. You know what I mean? But it's 723 00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:48,350 a it's a convincing liar. It's kinda what I'm getting at. It's a great 724 00:45:48,350 --> 00:45:51,755 p It's a great b s. Like, I mean, that's the thing. Like Yeah. And 725 00:45:51,755 --> 00:45:55,435 I think that our filter that we should have for the dealing with real life 726 00:45:55,435 --> 00:45:57,135 b s'ers should be 727 00:45:58,870 --> 00:46:02,710 Applicable to whatever one any of these large language models put out. 728 00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:05,835 Right? Like, I mean, like, it it'll tell me things. Like, I I I did 729 00:46:05,915 --> 00:46:08,315 I think I did a live stream on this where I'm like, well, tell me 730 00:46:08,315 --> 00:46:12,155 about Frank Lavinia. Right? And at one point, it didn't know who I 731 00:46:12,155 --> 00:46:14,710 was. Now you kinda have to coach it because you have to mention our podcast, 732 00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:18,550 which is kinda cool. Right. But, like, but it was, like, you know, at 733 00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:21,430 one point, I would ask it, like, you know, you know, tell me write a 734 00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:25,165 biography for for For this, like, we're apparently, I went to 735 00:46:25,165 --> 00:46:28,925 the I went to, in one point, I went to 736 00:46:28,925 --> 00:46:32,650 Stanford. At another point, it said I went to, SUNY, Won 737 00:46:32,650 --> 00:46:36,410 the state state universe like, it it Weren't you in 738 00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:39,790 intelligence? Apparently, I was too. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to. 739 00:46:40,170 --> 00:46:43,905 Well, That may or may not be true. We I can't I can't answer 740 00:46:43,905 --> 00:46:47,345 that. But, no. But, I mean, like, some of the things that got right, some 741 00:46:47,345 --> 00:46:51,120 of the things that got wrong. What was particularly interesting was It got that I'm 742 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,960 from New York. It changed the the schools. Like, it was 743 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,640 either, you know, NJIT. It got the fact that it found technical 744 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,335 schools and, like, you know, like, What you know, that's kinda close. At one 745 00:47:02,335 --> 00:47:06,174 point, somehow Stanford got into the mix. And I do 746 00:47:06,174 --> 00:47:09,900 have to drop in, like, a minute. Why don't we make this an abbreviated ending? 747 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,200 But, I mean, it wasn't true. Like but it sounded plausible. Right? And that 748 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,974 is the essence of good b s, isn't it? True. A little bit of 749 00:47:17,974 --> 00:47:21,815 truth in there, and that that takes us into philosophical stuff, 750 00:47:21,815 --> 00:47:25,319 and we're just gonna have to leave you hanging on that cliff. That's right. 751 00:47:25,540 --> 00:47:29,059 So with that, I'll end the stream and let Bailey finish the 752 00:47:29,059 --> 00:47:32,520 show. Andy, as always, a pleasure. Same. 753 00:47:33,295 --> 00:47:37,135 Thanks for listening to Data Driven and we look forward to another wonderful year 754 00:47:37,135 --> 00:47:40,891 of podcasts. Be sure to check out the data driven 755 00:47:40,891 --> 00:47:42,031 website at datadriven.tv.