1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,629 all right. 2 00:00:00,809 --> 00:00:03,209 I'm back from Oshkosh and we're going to start with the little. 3 00:00:03,649 --> 00:00:06,629 homage to the old days of the student pilot cast and 4 00:00:06,629 --> 00:00:08,909 reconnect with Nexair avionics. 5 00:00:09,419 --> 00:00:11,579 On another project they've been working on. 6 00:00:12,299 --> 00:00:15,029 Are you ready to bring an incredible aircraft? 7 00:00:15,029 --> 00:00:19,619 That's not even that old in airplane terms into the future at a fraction of 8 00:00:19,619 --> 00:00:23,400 the cost of an incredibly high price, new version of the same aircraft. 9 00:00:24,329 --> 00:00:25,650 Are you confused yet? 10 00:00:26,490 --> 00:00:31,829 Well, listen or watch on and get deacon fused in episode 71. 11 00:00:32,339 --> 00:00:33,960 Of the student pilot cast. 12 00:01:01,339 --> 00:01:03,349 Welcome back SPC listeners. 13 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:05,749 I'm going to kick off the post OSH 20. 14 00:01:05,749 --> 00:01:08,989 24 era of the podcast with a little throwback. 15 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:14,029 An homage, if you will, to the, one of the episodes I did back in the early 16 00:01:14,029 --> 00:01:16,549 days, just after air venture, 2009. 17 00:01:17,119 --> 00:01:17,449 Yep. 18 00:01:18,949 --> 00:01:20,899 That's 15 years ago, man. 19 00:01:21,409 --> 00:01:22,099 Time flies. 20 00:01:22,999 --> 00:01:23,419 Anyway. 21 00:01:23,809 --> 00:01:29,629 Back then we did a quick feature on Nexair avionics with David Featherston from 22 00:01:29,629 --> 00:01:32,689 Nexair on their Saratoga NX product line. 23 00:01:33,109 --> 00:01:34,549 I loved the concept. 24 00:01:35,029 --> 00:01:37,609 And I love the airplane they had on display back then. 25 00:01:37,609 --> 00:01:42,379 So since it's my podcast, I did the feature and released it, even though 26 00:01:42,379 --> 00:01:46,129 it didn't have a lot to do with training or being a student pilot. 27 00:01:46,549 --> 00:01:50,149 But I do that sometimes as you know, because if I'm interested. 28 00:01:50,509 --> 00:01:52,219 Some of you probably will be too. 29 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:56,959 Well, I ran across David again at . and. 30 00:01:57,769 --> 00:01:58,669 A new airplane. 31 00:01:59,329 --> 00:02:02,221 Well, I mean, A new wish airplane. 32 00:02:02,791 --> 00:02:06,271 Where they're taking a similar concept and applying it to the most 33 00:02:06,301 --> 00:02:09,841 popular GA single piston there is. 34 00:02:10,411 --> 00:02:10,981 A Cirrus. 35 00:02:11,761 --> 00:02:15,721 Specifically, we'll be talking about the Cirrus Sr 22 turbo model. 36 00:02:16,291 --> 00:02:21,991 But not the new gen seven that Cirrus just announced for over a million dollars. 37 00:02:22,051 --> 00:02:22,381 Nope. 38 00:02:23,221 --> 00:02:25,441 This one's going to be a gen three. 39 00:02:25,891 --> 00:02:29,701 Brought into modernity with a big avionics upgrade. 40 00:02:30,061 --> 00:02:33,331 And being sold by Nexair for less than half. 41 00:02:33,871 --> 00:02:34,501 Of the new one. 42 00:02:35,851 --> 00:02:40,021 I got to talk to David briefly and he claimed to remember the interview 43 00:02:40,021 --> 00:02:42,121 we did back then 15 years ago. 44 00:02:42,511 --> 00:02:44,581 But I think he might've been just being nice. 45 00:02:44,641 --> 00:02:46,051 I mean, seriously. 46 00:02:46,891 --> 00:02:51,361 I say that because I barely remember it myself and I have an RSSP that 47 00:02:51,391 --> 00:02:53,521 helps me remember all the details. 48 00:02:53,881 --> 00:02:57,191 So next time, of you talked to David, find out the real story. 49 00:02:57,221 --> 00:03:01,301 Maybe you can do it when you're ordering your own Sr 22 upgrades. 50 00:03:01,961 --> 00:03:06,161 After talking to the guys at Nexair for a bit, Brian Wolf sales manager, 51 00:03:06,161 --> 00:03:10,601 there agreed to do a feature with me the next morning I had to contain 52 00:03:10,601 --> 00:03:14,051 my questions, which were plenty until we were talking on camera. 53 00:03:14,411 --> 00:03:17,911 So I didn't know lot about what they were up to until we talked 54 00:03:18,271 --> 00:03:19,771 on the record, so to speak. 55 00:03:20,251 --> 00:03:20,851 Turns out. 56 00:03:21,301 --> 00:03:22,441 Not much has changed. 57 00:03:23,041 --> 00:03:26,431 Except for the airplanes, the avionics that are considered 58 00:03:26,431 --> 00:03:30,211 state-of-the-art the mission of the aircraft and the age of the. 59 00:03:30,721 --> 00:03:31,081 All right. 60 00:03:31,081 --> 00:03:33,451 So technically a lot has changed. 61 00:03:34,321 --> 00:03:36,901 But the business model, that Nexair is pursuing is pretty 62 00:03:36,901 --> 00:03:38,221 close to what they were doing. 63 00:03:38,281 --> 00:03:39,151 Way back then. 64 00:03:39,691 --> 00:03:40,351 Yes. 65 00:03:40,831 --> 00:03:43,381 They will work on many different types of airplanes. 66 00:03:43,741 --> 00:03:47,041 And yes, they can be a pretty typical avionic shop. 67 00:03:47,071 --> 00:03:47,521 I think. 68 00:03:48,391 --> 00:03:51,361 And you can hire them to upgrade parts of your panel or 69 00:03:51,361 --> 00:03:52,921 do the whole kitten caboodle. 70 00:03:53,431 --> 00:03:58,741 But I find their approach to focusing in, on a very popular, specific airplane 71 00:03:59,071 --> 00:04:03,001 and really learn what it takes to bring it forward avionics wise and 72 00:04:03,001 --> 00:04:07,681 pursue buyers or owners who don't want to spend oodles of money on a 73 00:04:07,681 --> 00:04:12,151 brand new airplane, but would rather upgrade theirs or even buy a used one. 74 00:04:12,751 --> 00:04:13,831 And have that upgraded. 75 00:04:14,341 --> 00:04:16,531 And then do it for a fraction of the cost. 76 00:04:17,101 --> 00:04:19,741 I find that very pro GA. 77 00:04:20,281 --> 00:04:21,331 Pro airplane. 78 00:04:21,751 --> 00:04:24,691 And basically pro regular person. 79 00:04:25,381 --> 00:04:27,841 So in other words, I find it kind of awesome. 80 00:04:28,231 --> 00:04:28,711 So. 81 00:04:29,221 --> 00:04:34,231 Listen, or watch to my quick conversation with Brian in front of a gorgeous 82 00:04:34,231 --> 00:04:38,761 2007, Sr 22 turbo gen three airplane. 83 00:04:39,541 --> 00:04:40,081 Here you go. 84 00:04:43,695 --> 00:04:48,155 Welcome everybody back to another special episode of the Student Pilot Cast. 85 00:04:48,535 --> 00:04:51,505 I'm here with Brian from Nexair Avionics. 86 00:04:51,525 --> 00:04:54,145 And Brian, I'd like you to just introduce yourself a little bit. 87 00:04:54,525 --> 00:04:54,885 Yeah, sure. 88 00:04:54,885 --> 00:04:56,285 So, my name is Brian Wolf. 89 00:04:56,285 --> 00:05:00,425 I work for Nexair Avionics primarily in their sales department 90 00:05:00,445 --> 00:05:02,335 and aircraft integration. 91 00:05:03,235 --> 00:05:08,135 Um, I'm here at Oshkosh 2024 once again with one of our Cirrus Garmin 92 00:05:08,135 --> 00:05:14,225 G500 TXI conversions and kind of modernizing that aging Cirrus fleet. 93 00:05:15,065 --> 00:05:15,435 Awesome. 94 00:05:15,755 --> 00:05:18,255 And tell me why you're in aviation. 95 00:05:18,925 --> 00:05:23,895 So I got the aviation bug when I was a kid, just kind of like everybody else, 96 00:05:23,895 --> 00:05:27,875 a friend of the family who's at an old Skyhawk and, you know, kind of really 97 00:05:27,885 --> 00:05:33,465 migrated toward it and uh, really enjoyed, uh, flying when I started when I was 17, 98 00:05:33,485 --> 00:05:37,495 similar to everyone else and continued the flight training through college and 99 00:05:37,495 --> 00:05:43,325 then ended up at Nexair shortly after on a lot of this cutting edge avionics stuff. 100 00:05:43,945 --> 00:05:45,155 Do you still get to fly a little bit? 101 00:05:45,695 --> 00:05:47,325 So I fly a fair bit for the company. 102 00:05:47,375 --> 00:05:50,855 Uh, so a lot of our customers are not local to the Boston area. 103 00:05:50,855 --> 00:05:51,915 That's where we're based out of. 104 00:05:52,375 --> 00:05:56,255 Uh, so it is not uncommon for me to fly one of our customers 105 00:05:56,255 --> 00:05:58,565 in or home for upgrades. 106 00:05:59,035 --> 00:06:02,915 Uh, and we have customers as far away as, uh, Boston to L. 107 00:06:02,915 --> 00:06:04,575 A., uh, Vancouver. 108 00:06:04,575 --> 00:06:08,305 We've gone to France before to work on airplanes, so really a, a 109 00:06:08,305 --> 00:06:11,975 pretty wide reach of, uh, customers in flying around the country. 110 00:06:13,265 --> 00:06:19,555 Well, longtime listeners and viewers will remember that in 2009, I did a, 111 00:06:19,895 --> 00:06:22,525 I did an interview with, uh, Nexair. 112 00:06:23,030 --> 00:06:27,260 Um, because they were, they were working at the time, uh, they had, they had done 113 00:06:27,260 --> 00:06:29,360 some STCs and we're working on a Saratoga. 114 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,940 They called it the Saratoga NX. 115 00:06:31,330 --> 00:06:34,310 Um, I fell in love with the concept and with the airplane. 116 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,790 Um, it was all brand new avionics at the time. 117 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:43,060 Um, little long in the tooth by this time, but, but I thought it was an 118 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,210 interesting concept and I really loved it. 119 00:06:45,210 --> 00:06:46,350 So I did an interview there. 120 00:06:46,350 --> 00:06:48,600 You can, uh, go back and watch that. 121 00:06:49,050 --> 00:06:49,710 Uh, but. 122 00:06:50,050 --> 00:06:54,430 I noticed this year, um, that they've got this beautiful Cirrus here. 123 00:06:54,430 --> 00:06:56,150 It's a, it's a G3. 124 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:57,430 Um, so 2007. 125 00:06:58,770 --> 00:06:59,030 Yeah. 126 00:06:59,030 --> 00:07:01,430 So it's a 2007, uh, model. 127 00:07:01,750 --> 00:07:05,250 It's a, um, SR22, uh, turbo normalized. 128 00:07:05,705 --> 00:07:09,685 Uh, so we purchased it to do our Garmin conversions in it. 129 00:07:10,015 --> 00:07:14,525 So, uh, not only this aircraft is equipped with the Garmin G500 TXI system 130 00:07:14,525 --> 00:07:19,285 we created, but we've done somewhere between 30 and 35 other aircraft as well. 131 00:07:19,585 --> 00:07:24,275 So, uh, this aircraft is equipped with two Garmin 10. 132 00:07:24,275 --> 00:07:26,405 6 inch G500 TXI screens. 133 00:07:26,875 --> 00:07:34,615 Garmin GTN 750XI, 650XI, uh, with a lot of other Garmin, um, products, 134 00:07:34,615 --> 00:07:39,185 including their newest product, the GDL60, their plane sync device for 135 00:07:39,565 --> 00:07:44,485 remote aircraft status, remote database updates, cockpit, um, integration. 136 00:07:45,455 --> 00:07:46,035 Very cool. 137 00:07:46,035 --> 00:07:46,335 Yeah. 138 00:07:46,335 --> 00:07:50,475 So, um, most of us know that Cirrus has just released a, a 139 00:07:50,475 --> 00:07:54,505 new version of, of the, uh, SR22. 140 00:07:54,505 --> 00:07:54,547 Yeah. 141 00:07:54,547 --> 00:07:54,590 SR22. 142 00:07:54,970 --> 00:08:00,800 Um, and this seems to be almost equivalent to that, uh, but for a lot less money. 143 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,960 Can you talk about that a little bit? 144 00:08:02,130 --> 00:08:02,660 Yeah, sure. 145 00:08:02,660 --> 00:08:08,380 So, uh, our kind of primary market for the Cirrus aircraft is your G1s through 146 00:08:08,380 --> 00:08:11,010 your G3s, so pre prospective airplanes. 147 00:08:11,010 --> 00:08:16,790 So, uh, that was starting in 2001 all the way through 2008 was when the last 148 00:08:16,820 --> 00:08:22,685 Avidon G3 was, uh, So basically what we look for in a customer's aircraft 149 00:08:22,685 --> 00:08:26,475 when we start the conversation is uh, Are you an Avidyne aircraft? 150 00:08:26,475 --> 00:08:27,915 Are you a six pack aircraft? 151 00:08:27,955 --> 00:08:31,605 What's currently equipped and what's your end goal along with 152 00:08:31,605 --> 00:08:33,765 your mission budget and technology? 153 00:08:34,095 --> 00:08:38,765 So we try to help our customers navigate those items to try to optimize 154 00:08:38,785 --> 00:08:40,385 the best use out of their airplanes. 155 00:08:41,045 --> 00:08:41,315 Cool. 156 00:08:42,565 --> 00:08:47,385 Um, I'm, I'm sure that these new avionics have improved capabilities and, uh, 157 00:08:47,445 --> 00:08:50,165 ease of use and, uh, pilot workload. 158 00:08:50,415 --> 00:08:54,675 Can you talk a little bit about how the avionics have improved over the ones that 159 00:08:54,675 --> 00:08:57,085 Cirrus had, uh, had installed initially? 160 00:08:57,565 --> 00:08:58,165 Oh yeah, sure. 161 00:08:58,165 --> 00:09:02,285 So, big improvements with all these, uh, devices we've installed in here. 162 00:09:02,285 --> 00:09:06,405 So, uh, it's hard to list them all in all honesty, but a couple of the 163 00:09:06,515 --> 00:09:10,195 big ones that a lot of these Cirrus aircraft were non WAS aircraft. 164 00:09:10,445 --> 00:09:14,265 So they were really restricted to non precision GPS approaches. 165 00:09:14,265 --> 00:09:19,255 So this aircraft is WAS equipped, so LPV, LNAV plus V, basically 166 00:09:19,265 --> 00:09:23,307 anything with vertical guidance we can see, um, including step downs. 167 00:09:23,307 --> 00:09:27,970 It'll fly step downs via its vertical nav, uh, Part of the autopilot. 168 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:32,280 So pretty cool stuff on their arrivals and some of these approaches as well. 169 00:09:32,730 --> 00:09:36,640 Other big thing that the Integra system didn't have that a lot of our customers 170 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:38,970 really love is this synthetic vision. 171 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:41,840 So synthetic vision is now integrated in this aircraft. 172 00:09:42,330 --> 00:09:46,820 Um, seeing runways, any obstacles, traffic, really great for 173 00:09:46,830 --> 00:09:48,820 situational awareness for the pilot. 174 00:09:50,020 --> 00:09:53,160 Also, this one's integrated Garmin smart glide feature. 175 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,400 So smart glide being a feature that is really meant to help the. 176 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:03,300 Pilot in a really an emergency where the aircraft will take over if the 177 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:07,090 buttons depressed, the autopilot will pitch up to the best glide speed, 178 00:10:07,090 --> 00:10:13,010 steer you to the nearest airport with the biggest runway, tune the weather 179 00:10:13,030 --> 00:10:17,400 on the standby, prompt you to squawk 7700 and give you the airplane back 180 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,660 when you're in the airport environment. 181 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:21,510 It comes over the intercom system. 182 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:23,690 It says airport environment, maneuver and land. 183 00:10:24,180 --> 00:10:28,060 So it's a real big safety improvement and there's so many other things that 184 00:10:28,060 --> 00:10:32,470 they've integrated to try to help that pilot in those critical situations. 185 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,740 Yeah, so the auto glider, that safety feature, I guess it gives the 186 00:10:36,740 --> 00:10:40,970 pilot time to run some checklists, maybe try and alleviate the 187 00:10:40,970 --> 00:10:45,120 emergency some other way while the airplane is doing the aviate part. 188 00:10:45,530 --> 00:10:45,960 Well, yeah, 189 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:46,530 exactly. 190 00:10:46,530 --> 00:10:51,650 So, uh, all of us know, you know, it's very hard for humans to sit 191 00:10:51,650 --> 00:10:56,290 there and In that critical time of flight, not only to focus on flying 192 00:10:56,290 --> 00:10:59,950 the aircraft, but maybe run through your checklist, maybe understand why 193 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:03,930 you're seeing that, um, you know, kind of emergency situation, rough running 194 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:05,480 engine, engine, not running it at all. 195 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,110 So it's a huge helping hand. 196 00:11:07,110 --> 00:11:09,680 One of those ones we all hope to never use. 197 00:11:10,020 --> 00:11:10,260 Right. 198 00:11:11,140 --> 00:11:11,740 Yeah, that's right. 199 00:11:12,070 --> 00:11:15,270 So, um, I'm curious a little bit about the business model. 200 00:11:15,270 --> 00:11:18,850 So if we could kind of focus a little bit away from the airplane itself, I hate 201 00:11:18,850 --> 00:11:22,800 to do that, but focus a little away from the airplane, um, kind of understand how 202 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,060 you guys, um, are running these upgrades. 203 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,060 So, um, I know you've got this airplane here and, uh, as I 204 00:11:29,060 --> 00:11:30,280 understand it, it's for sale. 205 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:32,240 Like you're, you're ready to sell it. 206 00:11:32,570 --> 00:11:37,725 And can you talk a little bit about, um, How you're generally doing this? 207 00:11:37,735 --> 00:11:41,705 Is it mostly customers come to you with an airplane and want you to retrofit it? 208 00:11:41,715 --> 00:11:46,645 Or do you sometimes do these on spec where you acquire the airplane, retrofit 209 00:11:46,645 --> 00:11:48,325 it, and then sell it to somebody? 210 00:11:48,835 --> 00:11:49,115 Yeah. 211 00:11:49,115 --> 00:11:50,275 So, uh, probably about. 212 00:11:50,685 --> 00:11:54,935 95 percent or more of our business is getting our customers 213 00:11:54,935 --> 00:11:58,685 aircraft and bringing them up to speed on the TXI system. 214 00:11:58,845 --> 00:12:04,795 So this aircraft was really purchased for us because we all like to fly and 215 00:12:04,795 --> 00:12:06,255 it's always nice to have an airplane. 216 00:12:06,525 --> 00:12:11,445 So it's not uncommon for us at Nexair to grab an aircraft, upgrade the avionics, 217 00:12:11,475 --> 00:12:15,455 maybe do a paint job on it, have an airplane to fly for a little bit, and 218 00:12:15,455 --> 00:12:20,175 also do some of these fun marketing things to make it, uh A reason to fly. 219 00:12:20,175 --> 00:12:27,895 So, um, our process really is a lot of our sales are trading driven. 220 00:12:27,895 --> 00:12:34,715 So back in 2011 when the initial Garmin GTN 650 750 was released, uh, 221 00:12:35,095 --> 00:12:37,605 we started offering trading incentives. 222 00:12:37,895 --> 00:12:40,845 Trade in your 430s for the GTNs. 223 00:12:40,885 --> 00:12:44,595 So a lot of our customers over the years until the TXI was released, 224 00:12:44,875 --> 00:12:47,605 we were doing a lot of services on those trading incentives. 225 00:12:47,985 --> 00:12:53,255 Now that the G500 TXI and some other PFD and MFD solutions are becoming 226 00:12:53,255 --> 00:12:56,785 available for the series, we're now circling back with our customers 227 00:12:56,785 --> 00:13:01,335 and removing the Integra displays and installing Garmin displays. 228 00:13:01,435 --> 00:13:05,115 Once again, running that kind of trade up promotion gives you some 229 00:13:05,115 --> 00:13:09,595 credit for your older displays and gives you the best options out there. 230 00:13:10,925 --> 00:13:11,315 Excellent. 231 00:13:11,355 --> 00:13:14,365 Okay, so every once in a while you build one on spec and sell 232 00:13:14,365 --> 00:13:17,510 it, But most of the time it's your customers bringing something to you. 233 00:13:17,790 --> 00:13:19,410 Do you do any consulting? 234 00:13:19,410 --> 00:13:23,920 If somebody wants to get into a Cirrus, like the ones that you retrofit, do 235 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,540 they ever come to you before they've acquired the airplane and maybe get 236 00:13:26,540 --> 00:13:27,990 some help finding the right airplane? 237 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,990 Oh yeah, it happens all the time. 238 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:33,010 So we have a lot of customers that sit there. 239 00:13:33,010 --> 00:13:34,480 They're excited to get in the Cirrus. 240 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,410 They're excited to see what it has to offer. 241 00:13:36,770 --> 00:13:39,930 Maybe you're not in the purchasing category of wanting to go out 242 00:13:39,930 --> 00:13:44,260 and buy a brand new G7, but want similar avionics with. 243 00:13:44,530 --> 00:13:47,780 the same capabilities, um, with an older aircraft. 244 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,160 So a lot of times I'll work with customers and they'll sit there and in their search, 245 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,040 they'll send me links of the aircraft. 246 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,290 They find controller trade a plane wherever they may. 247 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,580 And we'll go ahead and kind of give them the, uh, the overlay, you know, 248 00:14:00,580 --> 00:14:05,015 a quick email of, You know rough costs for everything and how it's gonna 249 00:14:05,015 --> 00:14:08,155 work in their aircraft Maybe they have some systems in their aircraft 250 00:14:08,155 --> 00:14:09,415 that are worth a little more money. 251 00:14:09,415 --> 00:14:13,295 So the trades are a little better And then once they acquire the aircraft, 252 00:14:13,295 --> 00:14:17,275 then we work on getting them a formalized estimate working them into the schedule, 253 00:14:17,615 --> 00:14:20,645 you know Right now we're running about, you know, somewhere around three to 254 00:14:20,645 --> 00:14:25,215 four months out So that kind of planning purpose is important for us because 255 00:14:25,215 --> 00:14:28,905 a lot of the modifications we do the aircraft or before the aircraft arrives 256 00:14:29,505 --> 00:14:33,835 We integrate a whole main aircraft harness to the existing Cirrus harness. 257 00:14:34,115 --> 00:14:36,925 Um, so that is built before the aircraft arrives to the shop. 258 00:14:37,155 --> 00:14:39,785 We have some custom instrument panels that we have to make to accommodate 259 00:14:39,795 --> 00:14:43,805 all of our new equipment that is made before the customer enters the shop. 260 00:14:43,805 --> 00:14:47,075 So there's a bit of the planning process that we try to get ahead on. 261 00:14:47,075 --> 00:14:50,805 So when your aircraft comes to Nexair, it doesn't sit there 262 00:14:50,815 --> 00:14:52,935 stale in the corner of the shop. 263 00:14:53,195 --> 00:14:58,015 So our TXI conversions, we try our best to move them between four and six weeks. 264 00:14:59,175 --> 00:15:00,115 That's kind of amazing. 265 00:15:00,115 --> 00:15:04,275 So somebody could bring an aircraft to you, um, at least with a little 266 00:15:04,275 --> 00:15:07,435 bit of, uh, foreplanning and they'll get that long before they would 267 00:15:07,435 --> 00:15:08,715 get a new aircraft from Cirrus. 268 00:15:09,495 --> 00:15:10,115 Yeah, I don't know 269 00:15:10,115 --> 00:15:12,115 what Sears is at last time. 270 00:15:12,645 --> 00:15:14,125 I heard two years this week. 271 00:15:14,125 --> 00:15:16,025 I don't know if that's a true number or not. 272 00:15:16,355 --> 00:15:20,635 But yeah, if you get a good, uh, used aircraft, you know, G1 through G3, you 273 00:15:20,635 --> 00:15:22,125 know, go through the purchasing process. 274 00:15:22,725 --> 00:15:24,905 It's going to take some time, you know, maybe a month or two. 275 00:15:25,345 --> 00:15:27,035 You know, kind of the initial pains. 276 00:15:27,215 --> 00:15:30,175 Um, you know, we could certainly have you up and running, new 277 00:15:30,175 --> 00:15:33,555 aircraft, new avionics within six months probably without a problem. 278 00:15:33,745 --> 00:15:34,625 Yeah, it's pretty amazing. 279 00:15:35,125 --> 00:15:37,435 And you end up with such a beautiful aircraft. 280 00:15:37,725 --> 00:15:42,415 Did you have to spearhead any STCs or anything like that to be able 281 00:15:42,415 --> 00:15:45,335 to do these retrofits on these generations of Cirrus aircraft? 282 00:15:45,715 --> 00:15:48,595 So now, so this is a, the nice part about this one. 283 00:15:48,595 --> 00:15:51,925 So with the Saratoga, we had to do the entire STC. 284 00:15:52,345 --> 00:15:55,070 Uh, this, uh, Garmin package. 285 00:15:55,070 --> 00:15:56,610 It's all STC through Garmin. 286 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:01,030 So Garmin had their own SR22 and they went ahead and STC'd all the 287 00:16:01,030 --> 00:16:02,690 products that were in this aircraft. 288 00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:07,500 So it's been a nice transition for us to kind of take over a lot of those projects 289 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:10,430 and not have to start that STC process. 290 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:11,870 Oh, that makes it great for you guys. 291 00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:12,195 Doesn't it? 292 00:16:12,695 --> 00:16:13,325 Sure does. 293 00:16:13,325 --> 00:16:18,525 Uh, anybody who's ever done an STC knows that it's, uh, you'll pull 294 00:16:18,525 --> 00:16:19,785 your hair out doing it for sure. 295 00:16:19,935 --> 00:16:20,235 Yeah. 296 00:16:20,595 --> 00:16:24,285 So if we could circle, come back full circle back to this airplane. 297 00:16:25,015 --> 00:16:27,375 Can you tell me a little bit about what you guys have done to it? 298 00:16:27,375 --> 00:16:28,485 What about the engine? 299 00:16:28,485 --> 00:16:31,125 What about the paint interior or anything like that? 300 00:16:31,135 --> 00:16:34,640 What, What have you done to bring it into the state that it's in right now? 301 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:35,410 Sure. 302 00:16:35,410 --> 00:16:40,380 So, uh, kind of our primary focus with this aircraft was the avionics. 303 00:16:40,380 --> 00:16:42,720 So the paint, it was painted before we purchased it. 304 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:45,060 It's in a relatively good condition. 305 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,650 Uh, interior was in good condition, but certainly original. 306 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:52,870 And then the engine is a higher time engine, but running strong right now. 307 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:55,370 So, it's a pretty good aircraft. 308 00:16:55,370 --> 00:16:59,810 We have used it a ton for a lot of testing and improvements 309 00:16:59,820 --> 00:17:01,340 working with the guys at Garmin. 310 00:17:01,750 --> 00:17:03,660 to try to make the product the best it can be. 311 00:17:04,350 --> 00:17:04,590 Cool. 312 00:17:04,930 --> 00:17:09,160 And if somebody, um, I imagine that if somebody brought you, um, maybe a 313 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,370 run out engine or, you know, paint, wasn't looking too good, that that 314 00:17:12,370 --> 00:17:15,290 would be part of the process if they wanted to go with you as well. 315 00:17:15,780 --> 00:17:19,240 So all that stuff, the paint, the engine, basically anything other than 316 00:17:19,250 --> 00:17:23,820 avionics, um, is going to go through, uh, one of our partners that we work with. 317 00:17:23,820 --> 00:17:25,640 We work with people around the country. 318 00:17:26,050 --> 00:17:27,990 Um, we're great at avionics. 319 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:28,810 That's what we do. 320 00:17:28,810 --> 00:17:29,900 That's what we stay doing. 321 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:33,970 So there are a bunch of guys we can list for engine work 322 00:17:33,970 --> 00:17:35,460 and then paint for this year. 323 00:17:35,460 --> 00:17:37,760 So there's really only one or two guys we know around the country 324 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,530 that do an outstanding job. 325 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:42,030 All right, but you would help coordinate that for a customer? 326 00:17:42,130 --> 00:17:42,880 Oh, absolutely. 327 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,320 And, uh, so tell me what you're selling this airplane for, 328 00:17:47,580 --> 00:17:49,040 um, a little bit about it. 329 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,900 What is the engine time? 330 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:54,460 And, um, you know, just what could somebody come and get 331 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:55,590 this from you for right now? 332 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:55,990 Sure. 333 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:59,370 So the airplane's being sold for 439, 000. 334 00:17:59,370 --> 00:18:04,280 Um, The engine, um, is a 2023 hours. 335 00:18:04,290 --> 00:18:05,470 So a little over TBO. 336 00:18:05,910 --> 00:18:08,770 It did have a prop strike back in 2009 before we owned it. 337 00:18:08,770 --> 00:18:13,820 So it was ironed, new cylinders were put on, but it wasn't a zero time overall. 338 00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:20,770 So, um, the paint was done in 2014, so relatively good shape on the paint. 339 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:22,100 It looks wonderful. 340 00:18:22,110 --> 00:18:24,150 So yeah, it's certainly, it's not perfect. 341 00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:25,140 It's 10 years old now. 342 00:18:25,140 --> 00:18:27,900 It's hard to believe, but it's a, in good work. 343 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:29,980 Good It's a good looking condition. 344 00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:32,980 So, and then the avionics were all done by us, so they were done in 345 00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:35,290 2023, so all relatively new equipment. 346 00:18:36,220 --> 00:18:36,580 Excellent. 347 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:41,320 Well, um, that would get somebody into a serious, um, I don't know, 348 00:18:41,550 --> 00:18:43,250 40 percent of the cost of a new one. 349 00:18:43,250 --> 00:18:43,930 Something like that. 350 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:44,430 Yeah. 351 00:18:44,430 --> 00:18:45,200 Something like that. 352 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,010 I mean, even if you put in the motor into the mix, I guess you 353 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:52,130 could call it 50%, but I think it's pretty great bang for your buck when 354 00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:56,460 you're out there looking for a good single engine travel and aircraft. 355 00:18:56,940 --> 00:19:00,720 This aircraft is flown all over the country and it's Has never failed 356 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,120 us and has made good time doing it. 357 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,180 Awesome. 358 00:19:03,420 --> 00:19:06,690 So, is there anything I didn't ask that I should have asked about next? 359 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:07,980 Or anything you want to talk about? 360 00:19:09,305 --> 00:19:11,085 You know, I, I think we nailed it all. 361 00:19:11,085 --> 00:19:14,485 I mean, we're, uh, we're just a large avionics shop on the East Coast just 362 00:19:14,485 --> 00:19:18,105 outside of Boston and, uh, really love working on the Cirrus, but certainly 363 00:19:18,425 --> 00:19:21,905 work on a lot of other airplanes, uh, from smaller piston aircraft all the 364 00:19:21,905 --> 00:19:26,375 way through, uh, some of your smaller turboprop and turbofan aircraft. 365 00:19:27,195 --> 00:19:27,595 Excellent. 366 00:19:27,595 --> 00:19:31,365 I just love the concept of taking the older aircraft and kind of updating them, 367 00:19:31,375 --> 00:19:33,275 bringing them to speed, giving them life. 368 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,670 This is even that old in the big scheme of things, but, but giving them, you 369 00:19:37,670 --> 00:19:42,290 know, kind of the capabilities of a brand new aircraft at a fraction of the cost. 370 00:19:42,290 --> 00:19:45,220 So I love what you guys are doing and I hope you keep 371 00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:45,480 it up. 372 00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:47,810 Yeah, we're enjoying it as well. 373 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:51,160 And just kind of keep it in mind that other than Cirrus, really no 374 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,730 one makes new aircraft anymore. 375 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:54,520 So it's an aging fleet out there. 376 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,920 We expect to continue rebuilds, not only as Cirrus aircraft, maybe on twin Cessna, 377 00:19:58,990 --> 00:20:01,140 Bonanzas, King Airs, all those things. 378 00:20:01,140 --> 00:20:01,580 Just because. 379 00:20:01,970 --> 00:20:04,790 That fleet is aging and is in need of modernization. 380 00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:05,980 Excellent. 381 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:07,330 Brian, thank you very much. 382 00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:08,290 Appreciate the time. 383 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:08,860 Thank you. 384 00:20:09,020 --> 00:20:09,440 Good luck. 385 00:20:10,585 --> 00:20:11,905 So, what do you think. 386 00:20:12,265 --> 00:20:13,285 He liked their approach. 387 00:20:13,675 --> 00:20:14,605 How about the airplane? 388 00:20:15,505 --> 00:20:16,975 Let me know or better yet. 389 00:20:17,515 --> 00:20:19,285 If you're so inclined, give them a call. 390 00:20:19,735 --> 00:20:22,945 If you're interested in doing something similar to your airplane, or if 391 00:20:23,365 --> 00:20:26,215 you're going to want to do something like that to one you're acquiring. 392 00:20:27,205 --> 00:20:31,495 But anyway, it was cool to catch up with Nexair and see what they're doing and 393 00:20:31,495 --> 00:20:33,145 see that they're still going strong. 394 00:20:33,865 --> 00:20:34,075 Wait. 395 00:20:34,825 --> 00:20:35,245 Is that. 396 00:20:35,605 --> 00:20:36,745 Posten strong. 397 00:20:36,805 --> 00:20:39,085 I don't know I'm from the other side of the country, so maybe 398 00:20:39,085 --> 00:20:43,225 I don't understand that Boston strong thing fully in any case. 399 00:20:43,825 --> 00:20:46,885 They seem to still be up to their old tricks, to taking older 400 00:20:46,885 --> 00:20:48,865 airplanes and making them new again. 401 00:20:49,015 --> 00:20:50,785 Well, new-ish again. 402 00:20:51,685 --> 00:20:53,305 I've got more stuff coming soon. 403 00:20:53,305 --> 00:20:57,265 So stay subscribed and do, give me feedback on what you'd 404 00:20:57,265 --> 00:20:59,155 like to know about Oshkosh. 405 00:20:59,575 --> 00:21:02,245 The future of the podcast, my training episodes that are 406 00:21:02,245 --> 00:21:03,925 coming up or anything else. 407 00:21:04,825 --> 00:21:07,525 That you may want to hear about or know about. 408 00:21:08,755 --> 00:21:13,649 As Talking to what my wife calls my imaginary friends, and she's 409 00:21:13,709 --> 00:21:15,359 never really met many of them. 410 00:21:15,959 --> 00:21:18,869 A lot of ideas pop up and this OSH is no different. 411 00:21:19,529 --> 00:21:22,619 We've got some cool ideas of features, even some that could become 412 00:21:22,649 --> 00:21:24,359 regular features of the podcast. 413 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,059 So we're brainstorming and working hard to get some of that going. 414 00:21:27,959 --> 00:21:30,779 I'm excited where we're headed with the podcast, including the 415 00:21:30,779 --> 00:21:32,429 training that'll be released shortly. 416 00:21:33,149 --> 00:21:36,209 And I'm excited about the fledgling flight lane podcast too. 417 00:21:36,329 --> 00:21:38,069 And we've got some stuff coming up there. 418 00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:39,029 As well. 419 00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:40,409 So if you haven't already. 420 00:21:40,889 --> 00:21:44,399 Check that podcast out in your favorite podcast directory, 421 00:21:44,399 --> 00:21:47,039 including apple podcasts, Spotify. 422 00:21:47,489 --> 00:21:51,479 YouTube music, Amazon music, and many others, or come find 423 00:21:51,479 --> 00:21:54,179 us@flightlinepodcast.com. 424 00:21:54,959 --> 00:22:00,089 Technically speaking since this episode's content wasn't really aimed at learning or 425 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,909 student pilots or new ratings, et cetera. 426 00:22:03,299 --> 00:22:06,839 It seems natural that it would have landed on the flight line podcast. 427 00:22:07,529 --> 00:22:11,999 But I just loved the symmetry of publishing it here 15 years after the 428 00:22:11,999 --> 00:22:13,949 original next era interview episode. 429 00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:15,089 So there you go. 430 00:22:15,269 --> 00:22:15,959 What can I say? 431 00:22:16,679 --> 00:22:18,509 Both shows we'll have plenty coming. 432 00:22:18,509 --> 00:22:20,279 So please subscribe to both. 433 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:21,539 It costs you nothing. 434 00:22:21,929 --> 00:22:23,759 And you don't want to miss out on what's to come. 435 00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:25,379 The FOMO is real. 436 00:22:25,379 --> 00:22:26,129 My friends. 437 00:22:26,459 --> 00:22:27,809 So don't suffer. 438 00:22:28,589 --> 00:22:29,189 Subscribe. 439 00:22:31,966 --> 00:22:35,245 noticed, I've mentioned watch or listen to the episode a couple of times. 440 00:22:35,635 --> 00:22:38,215 This is one of those times that the audio and the video 441 00:22:38,215 --> 00:22:39,925 episodes are exactly the same. 442 00:22:40,345 --> 00:22:41,665 But they are both published. 443 00:22:41,845 --> 00:22:45,565 So if you're listening to this and you want to see the airplane or Brian. 444 00:22:46,015 --> 00:22:47,635 Nobody wants to see my radio face. 445 00:22:47,635 --> 00:22:48,295 I'm sure. 446 00:22:48,955 --> 00:22:51,625 Check out the video version of this episode on YouTube. 447 00:22:52,135 --> 00:22:56,455 It's linked to and referenced in the show notes or on the student pilot cast website 448 00:22:56,485 --> 00:22:59,185 entry for this episode, episode 71. 449 00:22:59,665 --> 00:23:03,925 Which can be found@studentpilotcast.com slash 71. 450 00:23:04,585 --> 00:23:09,385 Or you can just search for Nexair that's N E X a. 451 00:23:09,535 --> 00:23:13,615 I are on the website search box and you'll find both episodes the 452 00:23:13,615 --> 00:23:18,085 2009 and the 2024 episode versions. 453 00:23:19,855 --> 00:23:21,055 So let me know what you think. 454 00:23:21,055 --> 00:23:21,489 course. 455 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:25,839 And as I said before, reach out with any feedback or suggestions or just 456 00:23:25,989 --> 00:23:27,669 showering praise that works too. 457 00:23:28,449 --> 00:23:32,799 You can send me a note at bill at student pilot, cast.com or dim meet. 458 00:23:34,636 --> 00:23:35,086 ex. 459 00:23:35,446 --> 00:23:40,786 At at bill well that's Bravo, India, Lima, Lima, whiskey, India, Lima. 460 00:23:41,626 --> 00:23:45,496 And while I'm interested in a lot of things in aviation and I love 461 00:23:45,496 --> 00:23:51,136 the focus, the technical nature, the learning, the teaching, the beauty. 462 00:23:51,616 --> 00:23:55,126 The perspective, and even to some extent, the risks. 463 00:23:55,546 --> 00:23:58,756 As that brings out the best in people, including me to 464 00:23:58,756 --> 00:24:00,646 be as excellent as possible. 465 00:24:01,486 --> 00:24:03,766 None of that happens without the hardware. 466 00:24:04,246 --> 00:24:06,766 The flying machines that make this all possible. 467 00:24:07,276 --> 00:24:10,606 So every once in awhile, we'll bring a feature like this one 468 00:24:11,056 --> 00:24:12,406 that just have to do with that. 469 00:24:12,646 --> 00:24:15,046 The machines that make it all possible. 470 00:24:15,526 --> 00:24:16,546 The machines. 471 00:24:17,176 --> 00:24:17,986 That allow me. 472 00:24:18,796 --> 00:24:19,546 To be a pilot.