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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club, the show

that harmonizes the rhythm of hip hop with

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the magic of movies.

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Today, we're discussing Set It Off, a

heist crime action film from 1996.

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We're three old heads who put their old

heads together to vibe on these films for

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you.

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I'm Dyno Wright, podcaster, filmmaker,

longtime hip hop fan, and the ladies will

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kick it.

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The rhyme that is wicked.

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I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long

time hip hop fan, and well I'll be darned,

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shiver me timbers, yo head for the hills,

I picked a weeping willow and a daffodil.

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Das EFX

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classic.

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I'm Boogie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan

and sometimes I rhyme slow, sometimes I

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rhyme quick.

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Nice.

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In this episode, we'll answer the

question.

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Is "Set It Off a groundbreaking film?

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And we'll give you five key takeaways to

make you a smarter hip hop movie fan.

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Set It Off is a 1996 crime drama featuring

a star-studded cast of Black females who

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are pushed to the brink with the

oppressive system.

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Being dead broke but also emboldened is

the formula that leads the ladies to rob

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banks.

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Once they taste success, all bets are off

in this roller coaster thriller.

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And here are five takeaways you need to

know about Set It Off.

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This is Queen Latifah's first lead role

and one of the best performances of a

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rapper turned actor.

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Number two, this film is an ode to Black

women friendship and sisterhood with

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strong performance from the four leads to

match.

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Number three, we see an early instance of

an LGBTQ relationship in a major motion

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picture and it's handled well without

making it a clumsy plot point.

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Number four.

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The soundtrack is hip-hop heavy and

important to the heist sequences.

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At number 5, some of the themes like

police brutality, racism, sexism, systemic

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oppression are sadly still relevant which

gives the film a poignant quality.

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Right, thanks for the intro.

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Let's kick it right off with the first

takeaway that you had mentioned,

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DynoWright.

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This is Queen Latifah's first lead role

and one of the best performances of a

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rapper turned actor.

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Boogie, I wanna kick us off with one of

your favorite females of all time, Queen

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Latifah, in her role here.

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Yeah, so like I've talked about this in

some of our live events.

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We mentioned our Mount Rushmore of rappers

turned actors, but this is arguably my

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favorite role from the Queen.

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And I think that it's because of the range

that she gives us.

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We see all the emotions from her, from

being a loving and loyal friend to the

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crew, to her being a loving, sexualized

relationship with her girlfriend.

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to being hardened and ruthless when it

comes down to robbing the banks and

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getting their point across.

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I mean, you literally get the full range.

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And for this to be her first lead role, I

think it carries so much weight.

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And even though you know the type of

person she is, you see the circumstances

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that kind of would cause her to be the way

she is.

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You almost want to root for her in a

certain sense.

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And you hope that, you know, something

turns around and gets better for her.

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But I think she really delivers and she

hammers it home in this one.

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Definitely.

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She plays the role of Cleo and she's like

the street smart, street wise, almost

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leader of the crew.

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And yeah, you see the wide range, you

covered it.

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I don't think I can even add much more.

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You nailed it there, Boogie.

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DynoWright, you have anything else to add

about Queen Latifah's performance?

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that I've asked people younger than me

that if they knew that Queen Latifah was a

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rapper, and they don't, it's kind of

funny.

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And this is the beginning of it.

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This demonstrates her range, like you

said, BooGie.

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And from this point, you can see the

progression that she gets bigger roles,

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she's the lead in more films, and she

makes this transition from being, you

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know,

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an actor more so than a rapper sometimes.

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So here's where it begins.

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Right.

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And I think another point too, which makes

this role such a dynamic role for her is

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that the character is nothing like her in

real life.

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Like she's one of like, I mean, granted

you don't play around with her, you don't

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mess with her, you don't do her wrong, but

on a normal, you know, if you bumped into

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her, she's the nicest person.

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Like extremely nice, extremely pleasant,

sweet person, but she plays such a

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heartened

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criminal in this movie.

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It's just like, wow.

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And I think that's probably what

gravitated me towards her role in this,

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because I could see her in other roles

after this, and you could see her

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personality in the role.

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This one, you really don't see too much of

it in the role.

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It's like she completely flipped the

switch on us.

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Like, oh.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, the comment about people knowing her

only as an actor.

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That makes me feel kind of old because I

remember when she burst on the scene with

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All Hail the Queen.

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And yeah, we are old.

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Yeah, it's not big, you feel what you are.

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It's like a sports.

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You are what your record says you are,

right?

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It's say whatever the eight, that's what

you are, right?

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So U.N.I.T.Y.

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like she was this like sensational rapper,

part of the Native Tongues collective,

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which is one of our favorites, if not our

favorite.

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so influential there but like even beyond

you know she crushes it as an actress and

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like her vocal talents and like again

she's like up there in that top tier of

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entertainers overall.

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She's almost at EGOT level.

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Like I think she's missing one, right?

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But like, wouldn't shock me if she, she's

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definitely has the ability to get all of

them.

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It's just the right roles gotta make it

happen.

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Yep, she can do it.

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I would not bet against her at this point.

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So the second key takeaway is the film is

also an ode to Black women friendship and

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sisterhood with strong performances from

the four leads to match.

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I BooGie, you want to take us into the

four leads and how, you know, it ties

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together those themes.

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Yeah, sure, absolutely.

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So, you know, typically, you know, we talk

about crime dramas or those type, any type

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of movie in that realm, you usually see a

bond between male characters.

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This movie takes on a different twist in

that the leads are all women.

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You see the bond between them, you see how

they look out for one another.

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You know, we have Queen Latifah, you know,

Vivica A.

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Fox, Jada Pinkett Smith, but-

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but she was just Jada Pinkett at the time.

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And Kimberly Elise, I mean, they all

deliver and they all add dynamic qualities

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to the group.

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You see the outspokenness and the hardness

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Vivica Fox is a force to reckon with as

well.

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And I mean, when it comes to toughness, I

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Cleo's character from Queen Latifah.

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Jada Pinkett Smith, who...

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is more of a, I guess she's more of a

focal point of the group because she's the

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one that probably has the most gain and

most to lose in this movie.

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You know, you get to see her, her

character struggling.

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You know, she's trying to figure out, you

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up, which, what to do and how to handle

the situation because she's all, she

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becomes extremely wrapped up in the whole

situation involving the bank robbery

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heist.

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innocence, a sweetness to the movie, to

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the group.

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system.

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Her son has been taken from her and she's

trying to do whatever she can to regain

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the custody of her son.

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So they all, you know.

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decided to come up with the bank heist

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We knew, there's no good that could come

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much about what happens in there, but

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there are some deaths that occur

throughout the movie.

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And some of the most memorable that I've

come across, not giving away too many

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details.

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although the women are committing crime by

robbing banks, you do still want to root

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for them because you kind of see the

circumstances that have put them in the

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place to do what they're doing.

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And unfortunately, all of the deaths could

have been avoided, you know, which adds a

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little bit of sadness to it as well.

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But I mean, I do see that this was a

well-written and well-performed movie by

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their leads.

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I think F.

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Gary Gray directed, he did a great job

with the character development.

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You could see the bond between the four

women, which was one of our points here.

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Frankie was Vivica A.

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Fox, that was her nickname.

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Francesca Frankie.

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It's like she was working at the bank and

she got fired because she knew the one

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robber in the initial scene, Darnell.

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And so like, you know.

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They all bonded because of the different

forms of oppression.

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So bonded and Stoney was the character

played by Jada Pinkett.

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You know, her, she was the caretaker for

her brother, Stevie, who had mistaken

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identity.

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We'll talk about that oppression types

things, but like all these things

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culminated in them galvanizing together to

fight the system.

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know, you mentioned she had her child

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taken away.

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you know, obviously it was in the midst of

all this as well, like seeing the

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oppression and kind of fighting for them.

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Masterful casting and character

development, like I said, I saw F.

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Gary Gray in an interview.

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I saw some, a special interview that he

had.

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Interestingly enough, Kimberly Elise was

the newcomer to Hollywood.

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These other stars were more established

and shh.

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Kimberly said that her character was the

most like, her real life persona was very

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similar to her character of Tisean.

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She said she was young and broke in real

life and that's kind of like the role that

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she portrayed.

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So it was interesting there.

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DynoWright, anything to add as well there?

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And it is a twist on the heist film.

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We reviewed Paid in Full, another kind of

heist type film or at least crime film and

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it's all male leads.

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But this was fun to watch, a different

spin on it.

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And it's good to see this kind of stuff.

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This stuff needs to be on film.

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And you really do root for them, even

though they're committing crimes.

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Getting away with it for the most part

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In another interview that I saw, or a clip

from the interview with F.

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Gary Gray, Jada Pinkett actually wanted to

be the role of Cleo, which was given to

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Queen Latifah.

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Queen Latifah knocked that out of the

park, as we mentioned.

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And Vivica A.

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Fox was concerned that she wouldn't come

off as hood enough for the viewers because

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she had never played a role that hardened.

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but it worked out and she was so glad that

she had done the film.

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Ironically, she was filming Independence

Day at the same time and it was like a

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lunch break when she was called over and

just a quick lines, couple of quick lines

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to audition and she knocked it out of the

park as well.

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So it all came together like it was fate.

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This cast works so well together.

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Wow, from filming Independence Day to

robbing banks

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Save the world and run out of the banks.

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And ironically with Will Smith as the

co-star of Independence Day and then you

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get Jada Pinkett in this one.

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So it's all tied small world exactly.

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But yeah, the casting amazing, you root

for them.

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So another takeaway.

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that we mentioned is that we see an early

instance of an LGBTQ relationship in a

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major motion picture.

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Remember this was 96.

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It's handled well without making it a

clumsy plot point.

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Boogie want to speak of that, speak of

that.

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Um, yeah, I mean, I think they said this

was the first time that it's one of the

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first times it's been on film and it

definitely didn't come across as, you

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know, something that was awkward or, you

know, even, you know, side-eyed about it.

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She actually, the girlfriend was around,

like when they were talking a lot of times

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and it wasn't like she was awkwardly

placed in there.

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It just kind of flowed.

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It wasn't the scenes with her.

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and Cleo didn't seem like outlandish or

over the top.

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Some of them were kind of funny, which was

playing with the money and everything, but

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I don't wanna get too much into that.

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But I think, yeah, I think it was well

done.

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And you see other movies where they try to

touch on a topic and it just doesn't work,

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but it definitely works here.

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And I think that...

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Queen Latifah played her role so well

that, I mean, rumors and questions about

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her actual sexuality started to come into

question.

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I mean, that's how well that dynamic

worked in the film that it kind of spilled

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over into her actual life where people

were like, wow, is she not?

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Is she not?

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Not that it mattered, but I think the film

was so well done that people couldn't

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differentiate the two.

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Yeah.

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DynoWright, anything else about the LGBTQ

aspect?

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Yeah, this is almost how many, 30 years

ago.

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And we weren't used to the seeing this

kind of thing.

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And the thing I like about it is that they

don't really try to make a big statement

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about it.

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They just have it exist in that universe.

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And so it doesn't draw any undue attention

to it.

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That's just how they live.

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And you know.

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That I think is why it's done well.

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It's not part of the, it's not really part

of the story.

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It's part of the character development.

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And, you know, we need, especially at that

time, we needed those sorts of portrayals

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of the LGBT community because they were,

they've been there all along.

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It's not like they just showed up then.

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And to just show them in a normal kind of

relationship without having to like put a

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spotlight on it and make a big fuss about

it, was really nice.

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Right, and if the listeners here have

heard a lot of our episodes, we've

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mentioned the term homophobia quite a bit

about other films in the same era, whether

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it be late 80s, early 90s.

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So this is the same timeframe.

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And yet, as you mentioned, it's almost

like an organically happening as an LGBTQ

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relationship without making a big fuss

about it.

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So it was like groundbreaking in that

sense.

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Yeah.

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Same-sex couples were much more taboo, not

really spoken about, or to the total

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opposite, where a great deal of homophobia

was out there.

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It still exists today, but people are much

more open-minded, yeah.

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Exactly.

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had to go to an art house film to see that

kind of stuff in cinema.

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And for this to be a major motion picture,

that was good.

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That was progress.

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so, groundbreaking in many, the film is

groundbreaking in a few aspects, having

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the all-female cast doing the heists and

this relationship, well done, exactly.

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Takeaway number four was the soundtrack

was hip hop heavy and important to the

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heist sequences.

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Who wants to kick us off on that?

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I can go.

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In the movie, Cleo can't get started until

she got some pump up music.

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I had to write this down.

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The first time it was, I Ain't No Joke by

Eric B.

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& Rakim.

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Great song, of course.

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Then the second one was Pistol Grip Pump

by Volume 10.

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That's good.

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Then the third time, and each time she

carjacks a car and then goes through the

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CDs and...

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throws them out the window and then puts

on another music.

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And the third one is From Yo' Blind Side

by X-Man, H-squared and Chocolate.

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It's just great.

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I mean, I do need pump up music too when

I'm doing important things.

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I'm not robbing banks, but it's helpful to

have a good soundtrack.

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And like they said, in I'm Gonna Git You

Sucka.

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Was it I'm Gonna Git You Sucka?

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Every hero needs a theme music.

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Absolutely.

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That was so much needed comic relief, yeah

exactly.

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She would throw them out and call it BS,

like this is BS, this is BS, this is BS.

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It was like, what are you doing?

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It's almost like delaying the getaway car

because she's like throwing the music out

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the window.

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That was hilarious, yeah.

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So yeah, definitely good stuff.

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Yeah, definitely the funniest hang up of

the movie.

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Oh, I still laugh every time I see that

those scenes.

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It's just like, are you kidding me?

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Like.

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Yeah.

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Gotta have priorities.

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Gotta have good music, of course.

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funny though, because I've never stolen a

car or robbed a bank, but I know sometimes

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when I get in my car and I'm ready to go

somewhere, I'll put a song, one of my

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mixes on or something.

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And if it starts in the middle of the

song, I take it right back to the

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beginning.

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So it's like, I gotta ride out to that

beat.

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Or as soon as I park, if I'm coming down

the block, I'm like, all right, you know

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what?

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I'm gonna get into the part I like.

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And then I come down, I'm like, yeah.

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Hehe

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So I understand the importance of the

music.

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Yeah, you get in the car and like, oh, I

don't like this station.

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I changed station.

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Oh, my song is on.

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Now I can go.

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Yeah.

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Just tossing CDs and consists of...

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my commute.

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I was like, I just recently got like

Spotify Premium I have my playlist and I'm

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like, yeah, I wanna hear this and like now

I can go, exactly.

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So I get it, but it was funny in that

scenario there, with the carjacking.

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But the soundtrack as a whole has a lot of

well-known artists.

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Obviously Queen Latifah has a song in

there, Brandy, Bone Thugs -N- Harmony, MC

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Lyte.

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En Vogue, Busta Rhymes, Seal, yeah, so

it's a solid soundtrack.

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Any other highlights for the soundtrack,

Boogie?

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You're a resident expert on.

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I mean, aside from the hip hop songs,

Don't Let Go by En Vogue was a powerful,

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powerful song.

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You know, so anytime I hear that song, you

know, it takes me back to this movie.

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But yeah, it was just a powerful song.

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It's about love, you know?

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And, you know, despite it being a crime

movie, at the root of it.

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is love.

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It's four friends who love one another and

will support one another and will do

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anything for one another.

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Literally.

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Do anything for one another.

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You know.

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Yeah.

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You know.

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Don't Let Go was during the intimate scene

between Blair Underwood and Jada Pinkett's

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character, right?

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I think, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, Blair Underwood, by the way,

casting, I mean, he was F.

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Gary Gray he said, this is the guy that I

wanted to play this role, like kind of an

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upper crust type young man who's, you

know, on his way, professional and like

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that's the guy he wanted and that's the

guy he got.

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And it was perfect.

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Perfect casting there as well.

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Yeah, he's perfectly cast, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We just did an event with Krush Groove

where we screened it at a theater.

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And Blair Underwood you know, in his

earlier days, I mean, he's had a storied

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career too.

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Young young Blair Underwood

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, excellent, so the soundtrack's

solid.

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The final takeaway, number five, was that

some of the themes in the movie, such as

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police brutality, racism, sexism, systemic

oppression, are sadly still relevant,

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which gives the film a pregnant quality.

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DynoWright, want to kick us off on that

one, that topic.

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Yep.

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In our early days of this podcast, we used

to ask ourselves what, which could we make

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this movie again, or today, this movie,

like especially the older ones.

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And this one was definitely like some you

can do today because it's the same kind of

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thing.

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Like people's, people are guilty by

association, you know, on racial lines.

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And there is a police murder of a unarmed

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Black man that literally sets it up in

this film.

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So that exists.

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There's other examples of things like

this, the isms in the movie.

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This was made almost 30 years ago and

we're still talking about these things.

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These things are still happening in these

communities.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Boogie, you wanna expand on that?

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Yeah, I mean, you know, we see, like I

said, there's an unarmed Black man shot,

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you know, we thought he had a gun.

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You know, the isms are also like, as

DynoWright said, the isms are apparent

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throughout the film.

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There's all types of misogyny in the

treatment of the four women by their

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manager boss.

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It's just, you know, it's a bad situation.

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I mentioned earlier with T.T.

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and her son being in the system, you know,

that's, you know, because of circumstances

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and, you know, the struggle she has to go

through to get him out.

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They're all desperate for money for

various reasons.

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You know, exploited at work, which I kind

of touched, but I mentioned earlier.

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So it's, it's a big

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perfect storm of a mess that just results

in these four feeling like they have no

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way out, no way to turn to.

417

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And it definitely can be made today

easily.

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You can literally remake, shoot the movie

frame for frame today and it would still

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work.

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You know.

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We could get the same actresses and do it

again.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's the systemic oppression that

galvanized the four women because they're

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all struggling, facing all their

challenges that were not fair for many

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reasons.

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I mean, the young Black man, Stevie,

getting shot, a case of, and I'm air

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quotes, you know, mistaken identity, you

know, because he had the same head

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shaving, but he had no gun.

430

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He had actually a bottle of champagne that

was gifted to him.

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But they reacted, you know, by shooting.

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unfairly fired because of her association.

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She knew the guy's name.

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She had recently been promoted.

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She was a great associate.

436

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She got fired from this great job at the

bank.

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She ends up having to sleep with the guy

to get some money advance.

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Like he was taking advantage of her, the

child protective services.

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Luther was taking out more taxes than, you

know, not paying what was promised.

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Like the oppression was palpable.

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You could be like, you could cut it with a

knife.

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And that literally...

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led them to this life of crime, a bank

heist.

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And once they taste that success, it's

like you kind of get greedy and like, oh,

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I need more money for this.

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And it worked.

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They had that taste of success and they're

like, okay, let's figure it better.

448

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Then, you know, there's some conflicts.

449

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Like how far did they go with it?

450

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Right?

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And obviously there's repercussions.

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If I go back one minute to the soundtrack,

we mentioned Settle Off, we discussed this

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off air.

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I almost wish that the song Set It Off by

Big Daddy Kane was in it because that's a

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great song as well.

456

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Kind of like when Paid in Full, Paid in

Full wasn't on that soundtrack.

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So any number of reasons, if they can't

get the rights, but just wanted to mention

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it.

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rights or it's too obvious.

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Yeah, maybe.

461

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's like if somebody doesn't know about

this film and they're like, oh, go to the

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soundtrack, like where's Set It Off.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Other notes about the film?

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I have a few, but if anybody wants to talk

about any other comments about the film

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itself.

469

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All right, I'll kick it off.

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So I loved the 70s throwback party for

Stevie's graduation.

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That was dope.

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All the big afros, the fashion.

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That was cool.

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I liked that.

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Other actors?

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So Dr.

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Dre has a small role as Black Sam.

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You know, he's

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He's a gun runner, works the gun range,

but he obviously helps with the weapons

480

00:27:13,458 --> 00:27:14,416

and stuff.

481

00:27:14,541 --> 00:27:15,375

As a young Dr.

482

00:27:15,375 --> 00:27:16,208

Dre.

483

00:27:16,875 --> 00:27:18,625

And John C.

484

00:27:18,625 --> 00:27:24,708

McGinley as Strode, the police detective,

the head police detective guy, he gives a

485

00:27:24,708 --> 00:27:26,166

solid performance.

486

00:27:26,541 --> 00:27:31,625

I always liked him and whatever he's in,

he always cracked me up on the TV show,

487

00:27:31,625 --> 00:27:32,583

Scrubs.

488

00:27:34,333 --> 00:27:36,000

So yeah, it was good to see him.

489

00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,791

He was...

490

00:27:38,166 --> 00:27:42,625

He was actually empathetic about what

happened, but obviously, you know, can't

491

00:27:42,625 --> 00:27:43,666

apologize.

492

00:27:44,833 --> 00:27:45,583

Yeah.

493

00:27:46,916 --> 00:27:52,916

There's some intense scenes with him as

well as, you know, he's on the chase and

494

00:27:52,916 --> 00:27:57,166

then things escalate and escalate and

escalate as well.

495

00:27:57,375 --> 00:27:59,750

So yeah, and just a couple of those things

like that.

496

00:28:01,291 --> 00:28:04,541

The one scene with the girls talking

around the table with like the fake

497

00:28:04,541 --> 00:28:06,916

Italian accents, I thought that was like a

little bit cheesy.

498

00:28:06,916 --> 00:28:09,291

I go like the Godfather scene because

they're playing the Godfather music.

499

00:28:09,291 --> 00:28:09,541

I was like, eh.

500

00:28:09,541 --> 00:28:13,750

Yeah, I was like, eh.

501

00:28:14,041 --> 00:28:15,916

I hope they did it again with me.

502

00:28:16,125 --> 00:28:17,041

Yeah, yeah.

503

00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:19,250

No, that was good.

504

00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:22,125

We had our blood pumping, kept the blood

pumping.

505

00:28:22,125 --> 00:28:25,583

So, all right, let's do something to calm

everybody down for a few seconds.

506

00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:26,541

We're starting to match up again.

507

00:28:26,541 --> 00:28:31,500

I'm starting to get goofy to laugh at.

508

00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:40,166

And there was a conflict, you know, it's

not all like, hey, these girls like got

509

00:28:40,166 --> 00:28:41,166

along all well.

510

00:28:41,166 --> 00:28:45,208

There was a conflict where Cleo at one

point put the gun to Stoney's head because

511

00:28:45,208 --> 00:28:46,458

they were arguing.

512

00:28:46,708 --> 00:28:51,500

To me, that was like reminiscent of Juice

a little bit, like when Bishop, you know,

513

00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:53,708

threatening the friends.

514

00:28:53,708 --> 00:28:55,416

I was like, whoa, okay.

515

00:28:55,875 --> 00:28:57,958

I see that now, you know.

516

00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:06,541

And I see that TT's character.

517

00:29:09,416 --> 00:29:11,791

Tisean, she became emboldened throughout

the film.

518

00:29:11,791 --> 00:29:14,916

Like you could see her progression where

she was really shy.

519

00:29:14,916 --> 00:29:21,916

She left the one heist, cause like she was

not into it, but she grew with her, she

520

00:29:21,916 --> 00:29:23,000

became bolder.

521

00:29:23,291 --> 00:29:26,166

She held the one customer at bay during

the one heist and she was the one that

522

00:29:26,166 --> 00:29:29,500

ended up, you know, shooting Luther at the

hotel after he stole the money.

523

00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:33,541

So like, she was all in.

524

00:29:33,708 --> 00:29:37,375

She was pushed to that brink and she's

like, hey listen, I can't.

525

00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:39,791

I can't have to ask, I gotta do it.

526

00:29:40,875 --> 00:29:42,041

So, yeah.

527

00:29:43,208 --> 00:29:44,875

Yeah, exactly.

528

00:29:47,916 --> 00:29:53,375

Shout out to Annamarie Horsford to play

the worker.

529

00:29:55,083 --> 00:29:57,250

I was like, wow, look at that.

530

00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:58,208

Hahaha.

531

00:30:02,458 --> 00:30:04,791

their mother in Friday.

532

00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:09,125

Yeah, it's funny.

533

00:30:09,125 --> 00:30:09,833

So Friday, F.

534

00:30:09,833 --> 00:30:15,208

Gary Gray, for folks, you may remember, he

directed Friday, and this was after that.

535

00:30:15,208 --> 00:30:17,958

And it's like, what a contrast, you know,

comedy.

536

00:30:17,958 --> 00:30:21,916

He, he had always dreamed of doing like an

action film.

537

00:30:22,083 --> 00:30:25,791

And he got his chance to get star studded

cast.

538

00:30:25,791 --> 00:30:29,791

And yeah, did a great job.

539

00:30:33,458 --> 00:30:38,958

The one thing too is like the budget

wasn't as large as you would think for an

540

00:30:38,958 --> 00:30:42,041

action film they were talking about on

this interview.

541

00:30:42,166 --> 00:30:50,500

So the scene where Queen Latifah, Cleo

drives the truck through the glass windows

542

00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:56,375

of the bank, like right through, they had

to do that like in one take and it had to

543

00:30:56,375 --> 00:30:57,208

work.

544

00:30:57,416 --> 00:31:01,333

They didn't really have a big budget to

recreate that and it worked, they were

545

00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:02,083

fortunate.

546

00:31:02,083 --> 00:31:06,041

Yeah, that was intense.

547

00:31:06,041 --> 00:31:07,583

That was intense.

548

00:31:07,583 --> 00:31:11,500

I remember the first time I saw that

scene, I was like, holy crap.

549

00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:14,458

Yeah.

550

00:31:20,916 --> 00:31:24,083

Those were the other kind of notes that I

had.

551

00:31:27,583 --> 00:31:30,583

on any other comments or notes.

552

00:31:33,458 --> 00:31:34,875

There's a lot of good writing about this.

553

00:31:34,875 --> 00:31:36,333

We'll put this in the show notes.

554

00:31:36,333 --> 00:31:45,250

But people have talked about the LGBTQ

issues and just in general queer

555

00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:48,750

representation in film and especially

Black queer representation.

556

00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:50,791

So I'll throw that in there.

557

00:31:52,666 --> 00:31:53,875