Welcome, J. And J. Diaz Vari. I'm really

delighted to have you on the QVC podcast.

Thank you.

Thanks for having us.

Okay, so there's. So there are so many things

that we could talk about. You both bring, like,

just a wealth of wisdom and experience in so many

different areas, from music to health and

healing, to running nature schools to

homeschooling. So let's start with an area that,

you know, our audience is familiar with, which is

applied Quantum biology. Putting these principles

into practice. So you've both been digging into

this. J.D. you just got certified in Applied

Quantum biology. So tell us, how did you end up

there on your long and winding road?

Well, I think both of us have always been the

type of person that's looking for more, like,

continuing to see what's behind the curtain, or.

I know that there's other aspects to the story

that aren't being revealed to me front and

center. And through that, it's really, like,

shaped an incredible, unique journey throughout

our entire lives. And it's also what brought us

together. I mean, I was working with what. What

was language is quantum midwifery, which I do

think is a little bit different than quantum

biology now in relation to, like, looking back

over the last couple decades. But it was quantum

midwifery and then the quantum aspects of music

that we were bridging into a homeschool

curriculum. That's how we found out we liked each

other and that we were like, hey, let's do things

together. But it's been, you know, becoming more

and more refined. And I do think that going

through the course this past semester or season

has really brought a lot of clarification to what

quantum biology is for us and also, like, a new

way to language and integrate what we've been

doing with nature, mostly in children.

Yeah, I mean, I see the quantum biology as a

framework to ground a lot of these concepts.

There's been a large mystical component to my

worldview for a long time that's been shaped by

music, vibration, spirituality, you know,

shamanic explorations, altered states of

consciousness. And it does link back to a lot of

ancient wisdom. But what's really great about

when JD Started to get more information and

really dive into the quantum biology, it was a

landing place for a lot of these things to really

be articulated in a new language. And, you know,

it ties everything together. And so there's a lot

of things that we've been doing with the school

and with both of our own pursuits and how we've

been raising our children and how we've been

living close to the land and you know, as a

family that really tie together with a lot of the

quantum biological principles. So it's, it's

really cool to see how that has showed up in our

lives.

I love this. I'm like getting body chills because

that was, that's like exactly how I see it. It's

like a bridge the scientific language and that

being able to explain mechanisms of action on a

quantum level inside living systems is like a

bridge into everything in a mystical world that

is so difficult to articulate in a materialist

society.

The outdoor nature based program that we were

running has closed and we've been working in the

last several months to design and develop what

we're going to be launching into and offering

next. And I have these moments, oh, if I would

have been able to articulate some of these

quantum biological principles and components

during our school time, it would have been like

so much more impactful for parents truly to get

into more of what happens at night with light

versus just having your child out in the sunshine

in the day. That's one example. But yeah, through

looking at our next steps, it's really incredible

to just know that we can continue to share this

information and, and yeah, it's been exciting in

that process developing what's coming next. But I

mean personally, quantum biology was a key

component for my own health journey. And that's

how I found your program and the website and all

the information and things that you do was

looking through how to continue to build my

resilience and health after having five babies

and living a pretty like go go type, a type

lifestyle for a woman for you know, most of my

adult life. So that also continued to really help

our lives, I guess, like help us, help me have

even just like energy again. And it was so, you

know, it's so simple, but it's so profound at the

same time.

Yes. And I think that that's worth digging into a

little because I know.

So.

Many of us men and women, we come to new

realizations about light and other things and we

integrate all of the things and we're doing all

of the things. But that component you mentioned

of the go, go, go, right, the pushing, pushing,

pushing. And Sarah Kleiner's written about this

recently on her blog. It's like if our life is

like feeling that feeling of push, of stressful

pushing, it will knock us out of balance even if

we're doing all of the things, quote unquote

correctly. So I think it's, it's good that you

Brought that up and like had the two of you

running a school where everyone was bringing

their children to your property and you were, you

know, like, that's full on.

It never stopped. And you throw like three or

four horses into the mix and nine to 12 goats

depending on the day, and a whole gaggle of

chickens. And, you know, it's even a little bit

more exciting.

Tell us how you ended up doing that. So just to

set the stage, the two of you were homeschooling

parents. And then you decide you created like a

curriculum or created a. I don't know, created a

place for parents to bring their children for a

nature based aspect to their education. And you

ran. The two of you ran that we did with all the

kids every day. Tell us about that.

I would say just to start. Is that so six kids

ranging right. Currently, right now from six up

to 22 or almost 22.

Okay, so you have six children. The youngest is

six. The oldest is 22. Yeah, love it.

So over the years that we've been together, we've

been involved in a lot of different schooling

layouts. We've done homeschooling, we've done

Waldorf, we've done unschooling, wilderness

schooling, a little bit of charter public school,

a little bit of private school. We've tried a lot

of different things. And so in 2020, everybody

went virtual. Things went haywire for our family

because we had all these kids doing computer

stuff.

We didn't have enough rooms or enough computers.

We didn't.

Yeah, right. Yeah.

Bathroom. Like for real. Taking a test one day

because we had to, like, close the door and you

know.

Oh, my God.

Just many people.

Yes.

Yeah.

And you couldn't even. I remember, like, trying

to order an extra desk.

Yeah. Online.

And there were none. Yeah, right there. There

were no desks to be had when shoving them into

different corners.

So, yeah, real state of flux with exploring what

needed for many years. And so it was. It was

subject to change every semester or every year or

sometimes midstream. And so at the time we, most

of our kids were in actual school programs.

Our oldest was dual enrolled at the community

college. Then we had two middle school private

school kids and then two kids who had been going

to the Waldorf school. And the. Well, the oldest

went virtual right away, like through the

community college. The private school took a

little bit longer, and then the Waldorf school

just kind of stopped everything for a while. And

they're like, oh, this isn't changing. There was

like about a month where they were doing Waldorf

school online, which is one of the things I've

ever.

But that is. It's completely antithetical to the

whole thing. Yeah, we had. My youngest was in

kindergarten and it was a public school, but I

picked it because they had just a really

beautiful nature based kindergarten program with

a teacher who spent most of the time taking the

kids on walks to look at birds. And yeah, when it

went virtual, he couldn't function. Right. Like

there were. It would just for people who are so

used to experiential nature based learning,

switching to zoom must have just been like. I

mean, I felt so bad for him. It was because.

Yeah, like that doesn't translate to the virtual

world.

No, it doesn't.

And so, you know, time went on and another school

year began after that initial like, okay.

And so did the Waldorf just. They just kind of

were like, we're gonna close till this is over.

Or they tried. Or they tried to do virtual, but.

It'S like they did virtual and this.

The opposite of what they're good at.

Yeah, yeah, for about a month. And then summer

vacation occurred and then it was about 2021. In

the fall.

No, it was 2020. It was the fall of 2020. And so

they actually came and set up classrooms here on

our land.

This was before our school because they were to

work outside of some of the regulations in North

Carolina, literally by putting tents outdoors

because then they wouldn't have to have the same

indoor type regulations. But that only lasted for

a few months until another mandate came that said

you had to do certain things even if you were

outdoors. And at that point there were several

more months left in that school year. But. And

then we were like, we're not going to do this

anymore. And many of the families were like, no,

this is, this is not aligned for us. And that's

what propelled our program to start.

Yeah, it really revealed the kind of dividing

lines within the different parents in the

community here and wanting to continue to push

towards doing in person schooling despite what

any of the mandates said and others didn't want

to go in that direction. So that was really what

laid the ground for us to then start ATA. And so

in the leading up to 2021 was when we were

building a lot of momentum towards the beginning

of the Appalachian Academy of Therapeutic Arts,

which was ada. And so that was JD and I

responding to what seemed like there was no

schools left anymore that would work for our

family. And then meeting other families, having

in depth conversations over several months of

what can we do? And so it began this really wild

cascade of people coming together. And also a

real, like, crash course in education for us

around this idea of sovereignty and operating

privately versus being beholden to some of the

public systems and overseeing bodies. So it

really sped things up for us to try and figure

stuff out as quickly as possible. But ultimately

it was really just responding to the external

circumstance of having the space and the

willingness to say, yes, let's do this. And so we

kind of figured it out along the way.

And used the head.

I love this. And I, like, this is, I mean, this

is, to me, a story of innovation in action.

There's like a major disruptive event or force,

and it's like, how are we going to respond? Are

we going to crumble and fold? Are we going to

pretend that it's a good thing and go along with

it, or are we going to allow it to spark up our

creativity and create an option that we wouldn't

have thought of if this hadn't happened? And you

guys did that third thing by starting your own

school. And this whole conversation is like such

a. Like, I think I blocked out how, how deeply

controlling and intrusive the policies were in

20, 20 and 21. Like, when what you're saying is

like reminding me. And if people didn't have

school age children, it might not have seemed

like a really big deal, but it was really, really

bad. And I. And we, we chose to. We moved to

Louisiana for a year so our kids could go to

school. We had been relocated to the Midwest when

this all went down. So, yeah, it was definitely a

defining moment of, you know, like a major choice

point of how to move forward. Okay, so. So you

guys were like, all right, so all of the schools

have basically been imploded or erased or

regulated within an inch of their lives to the

point that we don't want our children involved.

So we're gonna make our own school on our own

property. Like, what happened next?

Well, we had to make big decisions around

logistics. I mean, that took a lot, like, how

long does our day go? How many kids do we have?

What curriculum do we use? So it was fun in that

sense where we kind of got to create exactly what

we'd always wanted, maybe for our children. And

first and foremost, it was being outdoors and not

just like indoor school outside, but, like, be on

the land, cold, wind in your face, regardless of

if you wanted to be in it or not. Rain, heat, all

the things that can challenge our, like, really

tiny bubble of an ecosystem that we so often live

inside of. And it does it challenges you. It

still challenges me to want to be like, no, you

have to go out today. And I'm like, oh my God,

it's cold. But really helping to again, take it

back to this element of resiliency. What really

helps us be healthy, the simplest things, yet

maybe the harder things because of how we've

developed into this, like, very interesting

society at this point. But yeah, so we had a lot

of land and we just said, okay, we're going to

start with everybody being outdoors. We on

building some timber frame, pavilion type

structures for a bit of shelter, milling a lot of

wood from our land. Those, I mean, those are

still even today with where we're at being built

to some degree. We didn't have a lot of money to

make this thing happen. It was very much boots on

the ground. So then we chose curriculum based

within the Waldorf construct. And also a lot of

our children have done nature programs that were

based on like the eight shields model. So we

brought in some primitive skills and things like

that, and then foundational academics, very.

Which, you know, that ties into how Waldorf

approaches academics, but really like basics of

math and reading and how to apply those things on

a daily basis and in the way that you live in the

world. And then we had this aspect that we called

therapeutic arts, which was bringing in different

types of modalities to help develop the character

of the person. And also it's like the opposite of

developing character. It's like allowing that

human who's here to always be the human they're

supposed to be and foster that rather than

shaping them into what an outside idea of them

should be.

I mean, I feel like we had this idea that we

wanted to incorporate some of the aspects of the

nature immersion wilderness skills programs, but

we didn't want to not do any academics. We wanted

to do reading. We wanted to do science and math

and intellectual type things. And so marrying

together a lot of these ideas. But we had this

technical, which was nature, basically like JD

was saying, it's, you know, getting out into the

elements. We wanted to create a situation where

we had the ability to have shelter so we could do

things. But oftentimes when I was facilitating, I

ended up facilitating a lot of classes, a lot of

the groups of kids. It became a highly

improvisational endeavor. You know, I really like

to try and get the kids into their bodies and

where that interface is between us and the world

around us. And so we would do, we would do

embodiment exercises. I used a lot of qigong in

my, in my Teaching and we would do

improvisational, nature based interaction type

things. Like we just kind of on a whim, we

started doing Cloudbus. And it kind of was born

out of this idea where we would be doing

exercises. Rub our hands together, feel the

energy between your hands, create a ball, toss it

back and forth between the different members of

the class. And then we, one day I was just like,

well, let's bring it all together into one big

thing. And we're going to throw it up in the air

and we're going to aim at that cloud. And it was

just kind of an off the cuff thing. And then we

did and we observed what happened to the cloud.

And over the next like 10 minutes, it dissipated

and dissolved. And it was like, oh, wait a.

Minute, we can all the kids.

Wow, that is so cool.

Later that day he'd be teaching music theory to

them. So it's like we had a really lovely ability

to shape what we were offering and also to

interact with families and parents in the

community to do our best to see what they wanted

too, for their children. I got to teach

holographic blood to them for a little while, you

know.

Oh my gosh. Okay, teach us holographic blood.

J.D. tell us.

Yeah, we have a lovely relationship with the

Bagelson brothers and holographic blood. So

that's fun.

Tell us what that is.

So the live blood microscopy and dark field

microscopy, right. Has kind of hit the scene

again. It was pretty, pretty, pretty well known,

the earlier health food type health nature like

80s naturopath world. And as Covid hit and people

were trying to make sense of it and what was

going on, us included, looking for new ways to

determine how our bodies are managing things that

are being put into them or around them. And so

here we were with live blood analysis and as I

was researching that, I found two brothers who

worked with from their father's meth into

Bagelson method. And it's a very different way of

looking at live blood where you use microscopes

that have very specific lenses in them and they

actually use not LED lights. So now I'm

incandescent or halogen light because of how it

views the blood. And you can't even get these

microscopes right now. It's a whole big thing.

But the way that, that moves through the

microscope and how you view the blood, you're

actually looking at as, at it as a holographic

version of yourself. From this perspective of we

live in a holographic universe. Right. So it's,

it's really cool.

Well, they would be.

I'm still learning.

So they would be. They would be viewing and

interpreting things in the blood that would be

sort of like opening up a dialogue where an image

would come to them. And they would be

interpreting this image as, let's say, like a

broken femur. And that would lead them to then

dialogue with the. With the person's blood that

they were talking to. And it turns out that, oh,

right, I did have this accident that happened

when I was a child. And it's something that's

been in their field and showed up in a way that

Adam and Josh are able to interpret. And they've

used these. They've used this method to uncover

and excavate some things that are going on with

people's stories and people's health and stuff

going on in different systems, being communicated

to them and interpreted through the blood of the

individual. And so they're doing some really wild

and amazing work. And it's a much different spin

on things than that is a lot of people.

Yeah, that's really amazing. And one of the

things that really drew it to me was the aspect

of light and its interaction with our blood, like

the matrix of our human essence. And also that

they don't necessarily look at. How do I describe

it? I guess my experience of a lot of the new

liveblood analysis is coming from the really doom

and gloom kind of end game. Like, look at all the

terrible things that have happened to our blood,

right? You can have a litany of what those things

are. And now the world's really, really bad

because they did these things to us and how do we

get out of it? Whereas the Bigglestons, they're

like, no, it's not really bad. Like, we've always

had these aspects of who we are, why we're on the

planet, things that we bump up against that

cause, like, a glitch in our system, which is

essentially what life is, right. We have some

type of hero's journey that we go through and

come back out of again. And they have a way of

encapsulating that through looking at the blood

and working with you in, like, this sort of

nurturing perspective. Teaching. Teaching it.

That is so cool. I'm thinking now of, like, all

the different people I've talked to, like Eileen

McKusick in the Biofield and just how. Yeah,

like, from the holographic perspective, you can

deduce so much about a person, history and

trajectory, life trajectory, perhaps, you know,

spiritual and emotional elements, trauma,

whatever, by looking at, like, everything is

encoded. I think I'm just thinking this through

as I talk. So, like, Eileen would see it all in

the biofield, and the Bigglesons are seeing it in

the blood. They're literally, like, talking to

the blood.

Yeah, yeah. And having it respond. But then, you

know, you'd have an experience of getting an

analysis with them, and then there would be some,

you know, offering of remedy. And often it would

be something structural, maybe something

psychosocial or, you know, psycho emotional, not

just like this bad thing happened to you, try to

get it out and get rid of it type of way of

approach. They also would work more from. And I

don't, you know, want to, like, completely

describe what they're doing and maybe not do it

quite accurately, but it's not from the version

of life where we're contagious with one another

and everything, again, is, like, bad and out to

get us. It's like, well, the parasites are there

to help clean up the thing that was there before

the parasites, and the mold is there to help

clean up the heavy metals. And it's not

necessarily that all these things are just there,

you know, needing to be removed or killed. But

how do we bring ourselves back into balance? And

truly, everything is just designed to keep us in

balance. Like homeostasis rules. Right. That's

what we're aiming towards and how we can create a

relationship with that and work together with our

bodies and whatever might also be in our bodies.

I love that, that every. Everything is there for

a reason, and maybe it's gotten out of balance

and it's causing symptoms that we don't want. But

I love this idea and like, that. It's not doom

and gloom. I'm very much in that camp. I just

don't see the point of coming to that conclusion,

really, about anything. As we were just saying,

we had the government intruding into our lives

and shutting down schools and telling everyone

how they had to do it. And it's like instead of

reacting to that, you both responded and created

this amazing alternative. But we could do that

with every single thing that ever happens to us,

or for us, as I prefer to think of it, what

happens for us. And so amazing that that is

coming through. So you. You taught the kids the

holographic blood?

I did.

For children.

Six weeks. We went through the book, and the

Bigglestons have courses. You can learn this. And

I was given the ability to teach them from one of

their courses. Yeah.

Amazing. So doing things, okay, like, from music

theory to cloud besting to holographic blood. I

mean, You. You both chose to believe that

children could easily engage with these topics.

What happened. What did. What happened with the

children when you did. Did this with them?

Amazing things.

Yeah.

There were children who. I mean, a lot of kids

either came to us from. Well, with COVID Right.

They had most all been in some other environment

and through the process of finding their way to

us, there had often been some kind of

traumatizing event that they had to work out once

they got here. And there were a number of

children that I can think of where they would be

here for a week or so, and then they would just

break down and your parents would, like, parents

would be hugging and crying in the parking lot,

like, oh, my gosh, like, I can touch you or I can

see you, or my child was, you know, so far from

who I thought they. They were truly or who they

used to be. And now I'm seeing them again. And

the kids, like, you got into this one book with

them that might have been a little beyond their

league for a while.

I can. I can give a little bit of. A little bit

of context. So there's a guy named Dylan, and he

wrote a series of books that are called Spirit

World. W H I R L E D. So. And it has a lot to do

with etymology and language and breaking apart

the language that we use, how this idea of, you

know, words are spelled because we're speaking

with a particular frequency and vibration and

breath and consciousness. When we. When we utter

something and we're casting spells, we're

influencing our reality. And so I would use lot

of the material from his book. I had to pick and

choose because some of it was a little bit not

age appropriate. But what. What happened was

really interesting because it would open up these

kids. These kids that I was working with at the

time were between 9 and 11, and it would open

them up to start to question the assumptions

about our. Not only our thoughts, but, like,

reality, social constructs, all of these things.

So we. These were things that a lot of the

families had been grappling with and then, you

know, maybe trying to assess how much they can

talk to their kids about it. Or there's the

natural resistance of the kids to hear what the

parents are saying. So we created, or within the

group of the context of this group, created a

context for these kids to explore within a peer

level, some of these concepts, some of these

ideas of what happens when we start to really

question what we're thinking, what we're saying.

Why did we say that? Why was that? My response,

My Automated response that came out without me

really thinking about it. And what responsibility

do I have? What power do I have to change that?

So there was all of these ideas and concepts that

we were playing with and it became a really

interesting exploration.

And.

Yeah, there's some really, really profound and

powerful experiences with these kids and with the

families.

Can you share some one of them that comes to mind?

I mean, we started to, you know, this is a

little. I'll just share this. We started to get

into some of these ideas of questioning where our

thoughts are coming from, where our ideas are

coming from and why we're saying things that

we're saying. And a little bit of crunchiness

would come out between certain members of the

class. And so I would just kind of use that as an

opportunity to explore a little bit. And so I

started talking about this idea of essentially,

you know, social mind manipulate, you know, large

scale social manipulation and thoughts, ideas,

attitudes and, and how we're able to use our

words and thoughts to influence one another,

influence ourselves both positively and

negatively. And so as we were having this

conversation, it was getting a little bit edgy

for some kids. And then we start hearing

helicopters, we start hearing military

helicopters. And so I start saying to them, I

said, okay guys, so like we've been out here for

six months and we've been having conversations

about all kinds of different things. And like

here we are now, we're talking about this idea of

this seemingly dark and mysterious nefarious

control system that's like infiltrating our

thoughts and influencing our behavior. And then

suddenly we're like faced with a, you know,

conspiratorial cliche of like black helicopters

flying around and like potentially failing our

thoughts. And you know, it's all within, within

somewhat of a, you know, potential hypothetical.

Not saying that this is actually the, the

hardened, fast way this is going every time. But

you know, we would play with these ideas and just

this idea of coincidence or how, you know, did

that, did that cloud dissolve because we threw

the, the ball of energy at it or.

What are the wind patterns today?

Yeah, so I mean, right. Exploring some of these

ideas and that not everything is fixed and that

we have a opportunity and a power to get together

and explore how we're wanting to interface with

these ideas of whatever we call reality. So yeah,

that's, that's my little.

That's. So that is like. That is deeply profound.

That is a deeply profound teaching for children

to absorb early in life. Because I think a lot of

us spend time trying to unlearn you know, the. We

were told that reality is fixed and solid and

static and impermeable. And it's so funny. I just

this morning saw a post, read a tweet from this

woman, she's an. Another executive coach that I

follow, and she said, in order. It was like, in

order to break through walls, you can't believe

that the wall is there. You have to just go. And

I left a comment saying, like, maybe that's why

so many new things, new contributions are made by

outsiders or really young people, because they

haven't learned enough to build up the wall and

inside and then live as though they can't go

through it for the rest of their lives. So you

are planting that seed. It's amazing. I mean,

even this, like, what we're all doing right now,

right? Like, we're all sort of outsiders to a

certain extent. And there's a reason why applied

quantum biology is not being championed by people

deep inside the scientific institutions, because

they know too much. They're like, no, no, we. We

have to study this in a way that will result in a

medical device that is patentable or a drug that

is patentable, and any other application is just

playing around. And. Right. And so then those of

us on the outside are like, why can't we just

learn this science ourselves and see what it

means in our lives?

I think a big part of how we've raised our

children and then ultimately led us into how we

want to educate our children is coming from that

place of, how difficult really is this? Why can't

we do it on our own, similar to what you were

just speaking to? And then what are the walls

that we've put up throughout our lifetimes that

are causing us to think we can't? And so majority

of my work before this was based in women's

health and midwifery, home birth, midwifery. And

when I started to learn that, I mean, it was.

There was many different ways and things that I

was diving into to try to find what was right for

me, which led ultimately to unassisted birth. And

then I was like, well, how do I integrate that

back into midwifery? How do these two things seem

kind of opposite, kind of the same? And it

really, like, culminated in this idea of quantum

midwifery and a person that taught that. And then

I worked with her school for a number of years,

but there were moments where I was like, well,

why can't I resuscitate my baby? As I'm learning

this from this perspective of a midwife, right?

I'm like, this is so simple. But it's these, at

these acts of, in that moment, like health care,

that are kept away from, you know, away from the

layperson to think that they can't do it and to

then like outsource our power or all. I mean, you

can talk about all that stuff. And many, most

people who probably listen to this already are,

but we really have these abilities to find our

way, right? And to bring that back to how we want

to raise our children, how we want to birth our

children, how we want to heal ourselves and

ultimately working towards a world where we can

have everything available, where we can choose.

Well, if I need to go and have surgery because I

broke my arm snowboarding, which, you know, one

of our children did, we will do that without

question because that is here on the planet right

now and can work. And do I need to get surgery

for my knee that is just had like a torn ligament

where I could use PRP and red light therapy and

work on my exclusion zone water and all these

things to heal myself, then yes, let's do that.

But if we don't have the, you know, the

development of how we analyze things, right, or

move through the world, how do we even know to

ask those questions? How do we. How do we know to

even ask, like, well, could I resuscitate my

baby? Or, you know, who's really in charge of

this birth? And there was a moment after, I think

my second was born, it's like, well, who was in

charge of my birth? Like, was it the midwife? Was

the home birth or the midwife completely

straightforward? But it felt very confused using

afterwards. And at that point, as like a

midwifery student, but also a mother, I realized

as a midwife, I could never know more about a

woman's birth than she does. And then if the next

person that's going to know more, it's going to

be, you know, whoever. If it's her partner, her

husband, the person that's like, next removed

from her. So then you get into this idea, well,

what is my role, right, as a healthcare provider

or a midwife or a teacher? And it gets really

tricky. But there's that aspect of like, the one

who's holding the space, the one who's keeping

the container for everybody, with the knowledge

that then can, you know, focus that knowledge in

or allow the experience of the person going

through the process to find their way. And so all

of that really was brought into this version of

our school. And, you know, as we've kind of

Pointed out a lot of it was explained

experimental. And I often would feel or say to

people that if I had a model to follow, I would

like, I don't just need to experiment always or

to do this on my own, but I can't find it. So I

guess we got to do it. We got it. We got to bring

the world right, you know.

This little bit of a point, of a pivot point for

us. And initially, when we started ada, it was,

was. There was a lot of. It was, A lot of it was

a reaction to the circumstances and not.

Not wanting this, you know, whatever that is out

there.

But what we noticed over time was that as we got

further along in the process and began to do this

day in and day out, it was, it became important

for us to intentionally shift our focus to what

do we want to create? And really what that became

was what we always had wanted to see. Because,

like, like we mentioned earlier, we've been

through so many different versions of school and

education. I mean, I, I, we both grew up in

public school, but with our kids, we went through

dozens of iterations of different things. And so

what, it became a shift point from, like, okay,

we're reacting to everything's falling apart

there. There had always been this settling kind

of sense where, like, oh, we're gonna do this

with this kid, because this is the closest thing

that we can find that would suit their needs. So.

But what became revealed is we shifted from the

reactivity to the place of more internal,

following an internal compass. Was that, like,

we're creating what we've always wanted to see,

and it's possible to do that. And, yeah, I mean,

and I wanted to add one thing to what you said

earlier, was like, our daughter was maybe, I

don't know, 11, 12. And she had gone to the

doctor, she had some stitches, like, a few

stitches in her arm. And, you know, the protocol

was, okay, well, when, you know, this touch time

passes, you come back and we'll remove the

stitches. And JD was like, no, you can take those

out yourself. And she was like, I can. She's

like, yeah, yeah, you can, or.

I can do it.

But I'm like, we can do that here. And we'll just

keep an eye, make.

Sure everything's clean, you know, back to the

doctor. You really think that that's what would,

you know, help you feel safe in this situation?

Then she came out with having removed them

herself.

Right. But sometimes there's these minor, you

know, changes in perspective where, you know,

we've been, we've been programmed and thought

that the appropriate protocol is to go back to

the doctor and have them do the things for you.

And so just like with, with education or

parenting or, you know, some medical things, I

mean, obviously, within reason, but you can make

some of these decisions and take the power into

your own hands and make, you know, make the

choice for yourself. It's your, it's your, your

driving and it's, it can be really challenging to

remember that in so many different scenarios. So

trying to move the needle a little bit for the

people that we're involved in and influence and,

you know, ourselves, our children, and then by

extension, the other families and children that

we've worked with.

So good. I love it. And it's, you know, it's so

interesting because, like, I spend a lot of time

in the, in the coaching world, right? And

everyone talks about having high agency and being

proud, proactive. And like I was saying, that

woman posting about, like, you can't even see the

walls. There can be no walls for you if you want

to go through them. And yet so much of our

society is designed to take that away and to make

us think that we, that we don't have choice. We

have to do it this one way, particularly public

health. But anyway, that's a whole podcast on

that. It's. And it really matters. I mean, I

think what you're saying really matters. Even

just a small example, like, oh, I can keep my eye

on this. Like, I get appropriate medical care,

and then I can keep my eye on it, make sure it

doesn't get infected and take, you know, and deal

with it the way, you know, in a, in a way that's

going to work out fine. And I could make that

choice. And it's a small thing, but every time

we're given the opportunity to do that, I think

it builds a different type of reality than every

time we feel like we've had to comply with

something external that was decided for us.

And I mean, that is one thing that I absolutely

love with quantum biology and really getting into

circadian principles, because it's. I can wake up

when the sun rises. Yeah, I might not want to,

but I can. And it's really not that hard. Get out

of bed, right? And I can go eat my lunch outside,

and I can turn the lights off when the sun goes

down, and I can model that to my children, and

they can start watching me do that. And I can

say, hey, look at these red light glasses. I

mean, it's something that I worked really hard,

especially because then you have teenagers who at

some point in time they're gonna get a screen. We

live in digital world. And again, that's another

whole books written on topic on how we like bring

and bridge nature with technology in relation to

kids. But having them understand that some of

these tools are easy and accessible and they can

bring them in and they will feel and see results.

Like, my daughter started wearing red light

glasses at night and she's like, I'm sleeping

better. And I'm like, yeah, you might be. Tell me

more about that. And like, we all eat breakfast

outside on the porch now. And the porch has been

there and we used to eat breakfast once in a

while on the porch. Right. But now we eat

breakfast every day on the porch because I'm

like, we're gonna do this thing. And it's. We

look forward to it. So it's these very simple,

accessible, like, acts of righteous power that we

can like, integrate or reclaim or just remember

that it's always been there and it's still

waiting for us.

Right.

And I, I really, I've really, really appreciated

that and I'm excited to be able to share it more

with families. Like, we touched upon a little bit

already. Yeah.

Yeah. There is something, you know. Yeah. Quite

profound about aligning with the light cycles and

the darkness cycles that even if it just starts

out as, oh, I'm going to do this so I sleep

better, There is a shift that happens when we

have developed that awareness of ourselves in

time and space. And I'm much more aware of the

directions and which. Which way is east and which

way is west. And I just feel more like a living

part of the world as opposed to a disconnected

entity that is somehow trying to make its way

through something it doesn't really belong in. If

that makes sense.

Yeah, I mean, that seems like a key foundation,

Right. To being able to access all of these

bigger choice points that we've been talking

about. Like, how do we know that we can. I know,

I'll use birth references. How do we know we can

resuscitate our baby or trust ourselves? That's a

big question. But if we can get, you know, keep

going further and further back into the

foundational pieces that allow us to connect to

the earth, to connect to rhythms, to connect with

who we really are. To know which way is east and

west. Right. That's going to layer on our ability

to trust ourselves and to know that we have these

inherent, like, aspects and ways to, to navigate

situations that arise.

Yeah, it's. It's interesting. You're Bringing up

the birth. I do remember. So I have three

children, and from. From my middle child, I was

able to have a home birth. And I remember because

the first birth had. Had been in a hospital. And,

you know, it was like your typical thing was

progressing fine at home, was in the bath with

candles. I went to the hospital, everything

stopped. 10, 12 hours later, they're like, oh,

you gotta start with this drip and that, and

you're strapped down, and they're all in charge

of everything forever. And so the next one, I was

at home with the midwives. And I remember at one

point, like, the labor changed, and I looked at

the midwives, and I was like, now what do I do?

And they were like, I don't know. I'm like, what

do you mean? They're like, what do you want to

do? And then this contraction came, and I was

like. They were like, there you go.

And I was.

And I'm like, oh, my gosh, These natural birth

people are right. Like, that was one of the most

empowering moments of my life was this freaking

contraction.

Yep.

And, yeah, there was. There was also, for legal

reasons, they needed a, like, an extra person in

the room because one of the midwives was still in

training or something. And that woman had just

got off a flight from India. She was, like,

sitting in the corner of my bedroom, like,

napping. I remember thinking, like, how the hell

is she sleeping through this?

Oh, my God.

Then I thought, well, clearly everything's going

well if she. She feels like she can be napping.

So it's just all these little cues from having.

Being surrounded by people who are tapped into

that, what you're saying. So you're giving me

some remembrance to that experience and how

different it is. And I. Yeah, I think I wanted

the natural birth more, as, you know, for health

reasons and to not have drugs in my body and that

kind of thing. But that was my first realization

that there's so much more emotional,

psychological, spiritual overlay to these kind of

health proceedings as we're trained to accept

them. Okay, one more thing I want to talk about

is music. So, Jay, you were talking at the

beginning. You said some really interesting

things about music and frequency in this

discussion. And quantum say more stuff.

So. Yeah, and I talked a little bit about this

when we were recently going over just our

backstory. And, you know, we. We've been talking

some of these things through. And so, you know,

like, with. When I grew up, I was really

disengaged from school. I was dissociated. I was

date. I was a daydreamer. And you know, I looked

back at.

What did your mom say about you?

Well, okay, so my mom took me to get, when I was

in maybe third or fourth grade, she took me to

get like, evaluated by a professional evaluator

of children. So her sentiment she shared with me

was that she was trying to figure out whether I

was stupid or conducting concertos in the school

guy. So apparently her, her question was

satisfactory.

It all makes sense now.

Apparently her question was satisfactorily

answered about that I wasn't stupid. And I

shared, I shared with JD also that, you know, I

found at some point later all of these report

cards from elementary school and like they all

said the same single resulting. He's such a

bright kid, but he's just not engaged or, you

know, he's not paying attention, he's

daydreaming. And so I don't know, when I was

maybe 13, 14, I started playing music, started

playing guitar. My dad, my dad and my dad's side

of the family had always played. So I had seen it

going on at different gatherings, the hours of

the night, with my aunts and uncles and my

grandparents and my dad. And so, so I started

playing and then I connected with some other kids

that also were interested in playing. And so it

became a real solace place where I could find

some meaning and some purpose. And it was almost

like the dissociative yearning and traveling

suddenly had like a soundtrack and some kind of a

grounding to it. And so things started to make

sense. And you know, I'd say from there I started

to explore improvisational music and some, you

know, mind altering substances and things like

that. And it opened up this world of frequency

and vibration that to me really connects with a

lot of the age old mysticism that most of the

spiritual cultures and religions all speak about.

And there was a book that I was introduced to at

some point in my late teens, the Tao of Physics.

And it was this really brilliant idea that a lot

of, like we spoke about earlier that a lot of the

modern and cutting edge ideas around particles

and quantum physics and just basically the, the

fabric of reality is made up of this, these

harmonic relationships. And so that is reflected

in a lot of the way that our biology is, is laid

out. Like if you look at the ratio of the

individual digits in your fingers and then your

hand and then your arm and then your body,

there's relationships in the distances of those

and how they relate to one another that are also

reflected in the harmonic principles of overtones

and Harmonies and what we experience as

dissonances and consonances. And so it's

something that is embedded in us and then

extrapolated outward and inward on a scale that

is, you know, beyond. It's infinite. So there's

the whole idea of like, when you look up the

spheres, it goes back to like, sort of like a

Renaissance idea of the different planets and how

they relate within the context of our system and

how those relate to the harmonies and then the

particles and the, the atoms and things in our

body and the spin, the electron spin, resonance

that happens. It's creating a inter woven

collection of overtones and harmonies and

distances. And I would, I would use some of these

ideas with, when I would teach music because, you

know, we have these things built into our

language. Like you get a vibe off of somebody or,

you know, these, these principles are also at

play, you know, within our own psyche, but also

within our relationships with others and the

world around us. And so we would explore some of

this, both theoretically, philosophically,

mystically, but then also we would incorporate

some of these basic principles into studying. I

mean, I use the baritone ukulele as a, you know,

kind of a place to explore some of this. And so

we would, we would talk about music theory and

how that overlaps with some of these other

concepts and give the, give the kids an

opportunity to explore some of these things. And

I always would, I always would make sure that I

would reiterate that, you know, all of the rules,

all of the theory that we have is really just

humanity's attempt to make sense of something

that is really far more mysterious and

unexplainable than we can ever imagine. So it's,

it's sort of like a simplification and a

distilling down and really like, you know, you

hold the keys to the understanding of this

because it is what you are. The vibratory and the

frequency expression of you is really the

deciding factor in all of this. And what do you,

how do you want to, how do you want to relate to

it? What do you want your song to sound like? And

so, yeah, that's. I hope that answers the

question.

So, yeah, it's beautiful and it's. I feel like

we're circling back to the holographic idea. Like

whether you're looking at the body or you're

looking, looking at music, it's like there's all

of. It's like all one thing almost. So I'm super

excited to announce that J and JD Are about to

launch their own podcast. And you all need to go

and subscribe to it right now. It's called Rising

Sovereign. So tell us about the concept of Rising

Sovereign, what that means to you and, you know,

sort of where you're going with it.

Well, when we entered into this, like, the

beginning of last school year, so the fall of

last year, which we did a couple semesters of

before, like, ultimately Hurricane Helene was

like a big. That caused our school to stop for a

little while. But we were going through some soul

searching even before that around. Is this really

the best way for us to meet the most people?

Because we have all this inside of us and

experiences and stories that we can't not want to

share. We just know that it needs to be shared

and it can help, help people and then people can

help us. And the cycle continues. And with. With

those questions already percolating, it continued

to evolve into, well, what is. What is an avenue

that we can really begin to put together the

huge. This huge, like, puzzle that is our lives

that includes midwifery and holistic health and

motherhood and music and nature and what else do

you got?

Being a father.

Being a father. Quantum biology. All of the new

things that came into our world through quantum

biology after we thought we'd learned it all

right, so, like, there's always more and creating

a platform where that can be offered and feedback

can be given to just continue to like, I mean,

truly offer the best. The best environment to

raise the continuation of humanity.

Right.

And I would always say that, you know, we, within

the time period where we were running ada, we

were attending a lot of events and conferences

and really trying to support and promote people.

Doing something like that wouldn't be exactly the

same because it would be them and it would be

where they are. But I would oftentimes reflect on

that. No matter how much we did with Ada, it was

maximum. We could reach maybe 50 to 70 kids. And

that would be us working ourselves to the bone.

And so how can we then take that same inspiration

and that energy and these concepts and then sort

of like cultivate that in remote locations and

share this and sort of like scatter seeds for

this type of thing to happen all over the place?

Because it really needs to be explored all over

the place for, you know, people to be able to

create something that's going to be outside of

the.

It's a place the idea will become a place where

people can gain inspiration and empowerment to do

whatever it might be that they are being called

to do. Like it was. It's like you can start a

school Like Gada. And you're like, what really?

Like, you can have your baby at home, most

likely. Like, let's talk about this. Like, what?

Really? Yes. And I mean, that's kind of the

undercurrent of everything we've been talking

about is there is way more to the story around

what, what you have access to and the ability to

accomplish within yourself. And most often, we

just need somebody, like, encouraging us or a

place to, like a soundboard to move through our

questioning and then like an applause after we.

We accomplish the task. And that's, that's really

like a big driving force behind why we wanted to

create a podcast.

Yeah. You know, that it. It's so needed and it's

so important as you're talking, what's coming to

me is this idea of mentorship and that we, so

many of us have this idea like we were talking

about earlier, the contrast. Okay, well, that's

what I don't want. But I don't also want to live

in reaction just against what I do want. I want

it now that I know what I don't want, what can I

create? And it's very challenging to take that

path without some kind of mentor who gets what

you're trying to do and who's been through some

version of it themselves and has gained that

wisdom and is not going to think you're weird or

crazy and is going to support you and bring you

through it. And I think in addition to some of

the other challenges we've already talked about,

that is a huge missing piece for creating this

alternate dimension that we'd prefer to live in.

So I'm really, really happy that you're both

doing that. And I think it's also worth

mentioning, it's like having a mentor and coming

to a place like the Rising Sovereign Podcast and

learning from you. It's like you might have. My

children are at the moment all in public school,

but I could still learn so much just for my

parenting, for the hours that they're at home,

for the way that I interact with the school.

Like, you don't have to be on a certain specific

path to gain the wisdom that the two of you have

gained, have accrued through your wonderful

adventures, through this dimension to you and

being.

Empowered in that it doesn't have to look any

particular way. And that's something that is, you

know, a big message. And what we want to bring

and what we want to model is, no, maybe you want

to have a hospital birth, and that's the most.

Again, sorry, birth references. But the most

empowered way to have your baby. And I went

through, like, several hours one day with this

woman who was just so conflicted because she's

like, everybody wants me to have a home birth,

and I don't want to have a home birth. I'm like,

well, tell me about that. And she went on to

explain how she was raised in hospitals and her

parents were doctors and all these things. She's

like, wait, I really want to have a hospital

birth, but I can't say it in my yoga class. And

I'm like, there you go. Right? So it's not just

coming at it with, like, particular, like, even

dogmatic answers to all the questions. Like,

really? It's about questioning. And that might

look like you make some choice this year and a

different one next year. That is our children in

many different schooling environments. And

knowing that within, you know, this idea of

community or what we want to continue to promote,

it's like, that's also okay. It's okay to make a

different choice than maybe someone else, and we

want to get it like, well, what's really, like,

under that? What are you looking to achieve and

why are you making your choices and how are they

aligned with you or not? And.

It reminds me of the thing that you always say,

say, where you said, no, no one can know more

about a woman's birth than her. Right? And so,

like, applying that to some of these other

things, like someone's family, for instance, like

me coming from the outside, like, I can't really

begin to grasp the totality of what the inner

workings of this person's family is. I can share

my perspective and be witness to them, and

hopefully I can show up in a way that's non

dogmatic, dogmatic, or judgmental. And like you

said with that woman, find the source of where

this thing is coming from. Help them arrive at

their decision and have it be their decision.

And there's things also that we like to talk

about that a lot of people might still not want

to talk about, but we think should be talked

about, and they could be considered

controversial. And I'm still searching for people

on podcasts talking about these things,

especially in relation to raising children or

health with children or within the context of the

family. Like, Jay's been listening to crazy

conspiratorial podcasts for decades, but I'm

like, where is that in relation to motherhood?

Like, who's talking about some topics right now

that are really up that you can't even

potentially say out loud without just being

highly judged? So Little teaser about some of

that to come also.

Yes, and also, yeah, that's also a really good

point because so much of this does spin out into

the kind of conspiracy theory media, which does

really well. It gets a lot of views. People are

like, this is, they're doing this to us and

they're doing that to us. And it's like, I don't

disagree, you know, but to your point, JD and

Jay, like, what you guys are doing, it's like,

okay, maybe, probably. And so what does that mean

for us personally? Where is the connection?

Where's the podcast, the media, the people

talking about who are just sort of like, yeah,

that's true. Like, let's put it to the side and

operate out of knowing that information but not

being dictated to. Like be in reaction to it all

the time and be freaking out about it all the

time. Because it's still winning when we do that,

I think.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's just another

version of your choices not being your choices

kind of in this, in this obscured or shrouded

way. But you end up like, like you said, you're

not, you're not winning in that scenario either.

And it can feel really like paradoxical at times

and like letting that be okay because I, I mean,

I'm talking about Biggles, the Biggleson, like,

approach to holographic blood where there really

isn't like a doom and gloom thing out to get you.

But then I'm like, well, but we also might need

to make a choice about X, Y and Z. That does feel

like really, to say the word that you use,

curious in this moment. And I always felt like I

was more of like this middle ground type of

person for a good amount of my life. And I look

back, I'm like, well, maybe I really wasn't. But

more where, you know, I would be more non

confrontational or try to make everybody happy

kind of version of a woman. And once, you know, a

lot of the things have gone on in the last four

years, someone was like, well, I'm just going to

take like the middle road. I'm not going to

choose this side or that side. And someone was

like, well, the middle of the road is where you

get run over. Yeah, you know, that's another way

to look at this, right? I think. Yeah. So again,

it's like that idea of which is very cliche, but

like, if you don't make a choice, you're still

making a choice. And how we can just like, okay,

well, let's lean into that even more.

Absolutely. This has been wonderful. Thank you

both for being here. I've learned so much, and I

really want to congratulate you on the podcast.

And I do feel like this is where all of us

together, everyone listening, everyone doing

stuff, creating stuff, we're ushering in a new

era of media that is super individual and hopeful

and not afraid to say whatever we want, but also

not falling into any of the traditional traps of

media communication and going after big numbers.

It's like. No, we're going after honesty, real

experience, real wisdom, wherever that leads us.

Thank you both so much.

Thank you so much for the opportunity.

All right, we will put the links to everything in

the show notes. In the meantime, please go

subscribe to Rising Sovereign wherever you get

your podcasts. All right, thanks, guys.

Thank you.