Meredith Oke [5:02 - 5:06]: All right, Sage Joya, welcome to the QVC podcast.

Sage Joya [5:06 - 5:09]: Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Meredith Oke [5:09 - 5:26]: My pleasure. I'm really excited to hear your story because I think you might be the only person I know who started out as an accountant and is now a quantum health practitioner. Tell us how that happened.

Sage Joya [5:27 - 10:41]: Oh, it's been a journey. But initially I started out as an accountant in corporate America for more than a decade. But at some point before that, I used to have a lot of health problems. I had a very poor gut, and back then, it wasn't referred to as gut. So my colon didn't function very nicely. I went to the bathroom, actually once every other week, and the doctor said yes. And the doctor said that was normal for my particular body type. And the doctor also told me that I would never, ever have children. And he said this. So I had the colon health problems since I was a child, but at 15, he told me I would never have children. And I always wanted to have children. So for me, that was like a death sentence. And I just said to myself, I told my parents. I was like, I don't think he knows what he's talking about. They thought I was speaking disrespectfully. But I was like, I just don't believe him, and I'm going to prove him wrong, because I don't think that is my life sentence. And so that was actually the beginning of the journey. I went to college, and of course, during my accounting studies, I kind of veered off and I was led to a health store. And at the time, there were, like, just maybe about 20 books on their shelf because it was so long ago. And I saw a book called Tissue Cleansing through bowel management by Dr. Bernard Jensen. I liked the colors on the book. So that's the only reason why I picked it up and I read it. And I was like, oh, my God. The reason why I'm having all these problems is because my immune system, I just had immune failure all the time. And it was because I wasn't moving excrement out of my body in a timely manner. So I was like, okay, well, then I need to fix this. And there was a little bit of instruction in there. So I followed the instruction and I started to get results. But I kept saying to myself, there's more. Like, I shouldn't have to depend on an external procedure or supplements or anything to go to the bathroom. I should be able to go on my own. And that pretty much started the journey. So while I was in corporate America and traveling and working with My clients. One of the things that my colleagues noticed is the clients in corporate America used to always start to talk to me about their personal health. And it was like, health and accounting. Like, you're supposed to find a finding and get excited about getting them fired. And it's like, I don't want to do that. Like, I want to support people, because these people have families, and it's not fun for me to have a finding, and then they might get fired based on my finding. And so that kind of started this process of my clients. I mean, my colleagues used to always sing a song. One of these things don't belong together. Which one is it? Because they were so excited about people getting fired. And I was like, oh, no. And that kind of helped me to figure out that, you know, maybe I'm in the wrong field, Because I had grown up with standing, that my great, great grandfather was an herbalist and was a healer. And so I also had delved into that when I was in college. And I kind of continued it on the side, because once these people told me about their personal health, then I'd make, like, herbal concoctions for them. And I just had so much compassion for people. And that kind of just led me out the door. And I left corporate America. Plus, I was pregnant, and so I wanted to definitely be a mom instead of, like, I worked all the time. I spent so much of my life at work because I'm so committed. So that kind of helped me transition out of the door. Everything happens for a reason. And my mentors at the time, a lot of herbalists, they were like, you need to study colon health. And I was like, no, I don't. And they said, yes, you do. And I was like, I'm an accountant. I'm not doing that. And they were like, okay. But it kind of kept coming up. So finally I just said, you know what? Just to keep you guys quiet and off my case, I'll go get the training, but I'm not doing that. And so I did. I flew to California, and I worked with the founder of the international association for colon therapists. And she was in her 80s at the time, Real spitfire. And I was silly. I mean, didn't take it seriously. I consumed the information, but didn't take it seriously. And we had a part in our training where we had to work on each other as if we were clients.

Meredith Oke [10:41 - 10:42]: And.

Sage Joya [10:42 - 11:44]: And there was a room downstairs in her establishment because she had about 20 colon therapy rooms. And I talked a girl into going downstairs with me to this room. And I started doing sessions on her, and it was crazy because it seemed like I could hear something telling me how to navigate her body. And I said, okay, I'll follow it. And after a while, she said to me, how do you know all of this? Because her movement was just miraculous. It was like, wow. Like. And I started understanding how much emotion she was carrying inside of her body. And I was like, well, I happen to know that you have a relationship with your father that's not on par, and you carry a lot of that emotion in your thighs. And so I'm just kind of working the thighs. But as a result, your body is responding and releasing a lot of excrement. That's actually very freeing to you. So that kind of started the whole process. And when I came back and this.

Meredith Oke [11:44 - 12:08]: Is like, you're still in training, doing a practice session, so you're doing, like, the colon thing, like with the. With the tube and the machine, like that thing. And you're, like, being guided by this woman's body, and. And she's unloading all of this physical and emotional baggage that she's carrying.

Sage Joya [12:08 - 15:06]: Exactly, exactly. It's like, I tell people all the time that whatever you bring into the body, whether it's on a mental, physical, emotional, or spiritual level, at some point in time, that information is going to change into matter. And Joe Dispenza talks about it all the time that. That our thoughts turn to things. And when it turns into matter inside the body, it's as if you ate something physical, and now you have a lot of excrement that is attached to that material. And most often, people do not release that emotional excrement, which is why people have such great emotional problems. And often people think that they're releasing it even if they go do one session. And it's like, oh, that was amazing. And I released it. And it's like, yes, you did release some of it. But the work that I do, you have to come into conscious awareness as to what you are releasing. And I tell people all the time, when we move through your sessions, ultimately we're going to land on the gold nugget of the experiences that you have been through. And when you understand consciously the gold nugget of why, the who, what, when, where, and why of those experiences, it's this quantum acceleration that takes place in your life. You start. To me, it seems like a quantum leap. And all of a sudden, you're transitioning right into latent potential that has been dormant in your life for so long. Things that you desire but you're so afraid to pursue them. All of a sudden, this door opens up and you have the courage to start pursuing, and it turn into this. This whole different life, all from coming into conscious awareness of what that excrement means in your body, releasing it consciously, and then a whole other life develops because of it. So it's a process, but that's what I wound up figuring out in that room on that day. It wasn't just one day. We did a number of sessions in that particular room, and I kept thinking to myself, why there? So one day I went back to the room just to look at it, and I never noticed there were hieroglyphs all over the walls, and I never noticed it. Yes. And I was like, wow. To me, that was significant because I get a lot of messages. I didn't talk about the fact that I'm a spiritual guy, but I am a spiritual guide, and I do get a lot of messages. And a lot of them come in shapes, like geometric shapes, and they have information attached to it. And so for me, it made sense that all of the hieroglyphs were in there, because I probably was receiving information from the hieroglyphs that were on the walls and didn't know it. So it's been. It's. It's quite the process.

Meredith Oke [15:06 - 15:23]: I mean, for those people listening who are like, what? That's crazy. I would recommend to go and listen to a podcast that I did on Sound Frequency with John Stewart Reed and where he talks about his experiences.

Sage Joya [15:23 - 15:25]: Yes, that was an excellent podcast.

Meredith Oke [15:26 - 15:42]: So, yes, I'm being reminded of that story where you're sharing your experience and the idea of shapes and geometry having frequencies that you. Sounds like we're picking up on.

Sage Joya [15:42 - 16:55]: Yes, yes. I think, you know, the thing that I would love for people to understand is that. And you. And you had another podcast. I think someone talked about this. But we all have a vibration. We all have a frequency. We all have music inside of our body. And so we have a tendency to communicate with the environment based on that frequency, based on that song that we carry. And so it's very easy to actually tap into that information and to receive guidance as to what you're supposed to do in your life based on vibration. Because everything on this planet, and as we know from quantum biology, we resonate with the environment. We also resonate with the inanimate objects around us, but we have to allow ourselves to be open to that communication. But certainly, listening to some of your other podcasts, there's so much validation out there. To say, we are vibrational beings, and we do have an opportunity to tap into extraordinary communication. Wow.

Meredith Oke [16:55 - 17:42]: Okay, so all this from learning, from going to a colon therapy training. Unbelievable. So, okay, so you're an accountant with a strong interest in natural health. You also have that in your lineage, and you just have a natural disposition to it. Your mentors are like, you need to study this. And they guided you to focus on the colon because that had been your personal health journey. Had been, yes, had been with the colon. So you go and get this training, but you're still an accountant. And then you have this experience with a client where you were shown how impactful your work could be. Then what happened?

Sage Joya [17:42 - 21:15]: So at some point before I graduated, our instructor had us all come around, and she asked me to give her a colonic session, which was unheard of. This woman did not let anyone touch her body and just wasn't a thing. And I thought to myself, oh, my God, like, probably gonna get in trouble again, because I kept getting in trouble because I was silly. And she actually did not want us downstairs doing colonic sessions. And she. And at some point, she pulled. I'm such a rule breaker. At some point, she pulls us into her office, and she's like, you aren't taking this seriously. Da, da, da, da, da. And, you know, I kind of still just shrugged it off because in the back of my mind, remember, I already said, I'm not doing this. This is not my work. I'm an accountant. And so I do the session on her one on one. And she asked me, have you done this work before? And I said, no, I haven't. And she was like, you're going to help a lot of people. And I said, okay. And then she said, are you sure you haven't done this work before now? The one thing I did understand that she was picking up on was my vibration. The lineage, part of my family, where I am gifted in that space to help body people to heal their body. I'm not the healer, the individual. You are the healer. I'm just the guide. And so I. I did understand that she was picking up on that, but it wasn't anything I really wanted to talk about, so I just said, okay. But after leaving there one day in particular, I had to have three colonic sessions in a row. And it seemed like it opened me up in a way that I just didn't see it coming. I didn't even think it was possible. And when I returned to Boston, I was like, oh, my God, I can't walk Away from this. People need to know how powerful it is to have water into their. Inserted into their colon and how the body is communicating and how the body can actually take quantum leaps. Now, at the time, I didn't understand the quantum leap. I didn't have that language. It was not a thing. Right. But what unfolded, Eventually, I opened up a practice, and my clients, especially sitting in the middle of Harvard Square, came from all over the world, and many of them traveled all the time, and they kept saying to me, sage, you need to write a book. And I was like, why? And they're like, this work is significant. Now. At the time, I thought every colon therapist knew what I knew. And the clients kept telling me, I get colonics all over the world. And I'm telling you, people don't know this information. It was hard for me to believe for a long time. And then finally, after having some conversations with different colleagues, I was like, okay, they really don't know. Like, I'm doing something that many people are not doing. So I actually changed the name of the work that I do because it's not a basic colonic. I cannot sit here and tell you that you'll go get a basic clonic, and you'll have this amazing experience that I'm talking about, because you might not. So.

Meredith Oke [21:16 - 21:16]: Right.

Sage Joya [21:16 - 21:18]: I changed the name for you.

Meredith Oke [21:18 - 21:24]: You didn't realize how much you were bringing to it because it was. It was just natural to you.

Sage Joya [21:24 - 21:25]: Yes.

Meredith Oke [21:25 - 21:44]: That the information was just available to you in your field, and it seemed to you like a. Just a part of the process, and it was your clients who'd worked with other people being like, no, no, like everyone else. It's. It's just a mechanical process. There's this whole other piece that you're bringing.

Sage Joya [21:44 - 21:50]: Yes. And that was hard. That was hard to accept. It's like, how can you not know?

Meredith Oke [21:50 - 21:53]: Like, what do you mean obvious to you?

Sage Joya [21:53 - 23:54]: It did seem obvious to me. Because, you know, as, you know now, like, we have a whole biofield. We have subtle bodies around our human body built with all kinds of information. You know from doing podcasts with so many different people, that there is a thing called biological communication and quantum communication and vibration. Vibrational communication. You know about those things. But to actually have it built into one practice, especially when you're just. For me, I showed up to make other people. Be quiet, Leave me alone. I'm not doing that. And I'll. Exactly, exactly. And it's like, you know, identifying with just that one thing, and it's like, actually, I'm no longer. I have that skill set, and I have many skill sets. But I teach my clients, and I remind myself I am. That's it. I don't have to attach to any one thing, because as a quantum being, I am many things, some of which I have yet to explore. And it's the same with you. It's the same with every human being on this planet. So the whole process became a true game changer. It became a big, huge educational experience. And for so long, I didn't have anyone to talk to about except for my clients who were moving through the experience about the miraculous opportunity that we have to not only heal through the exit opening of our digestive tract, but we also have this opportunity to ignite the biological mechanisms that create a quantum body and communicates into the quantum field. That's powerful.

Meredith Oke [23:55 - 23:59]: That is powerful. Say. Say more about that.

Sage Joya [23:59 - 24:03]: Okay, what would you like? Do you have a question?

Meredith Oke [24:04 - 24:23]: So you're talking about the colon and clearing the colon as a gateway to access our wider field, our wider quantum capacity. Is that what.

Sage Joya [24:24 - 24:27]: So. Yes and no.

Meredith Oke [24:27 - 24:28]: Okay.

Sage Joya [24:28 - 31:19]: The most important piece is truth, awareness, and consciousness. So when this water. So we know that. We now know that water is a quantum mechanism that we can use because water carries messages. Right. Water is inside of our body. We're 99% molecularly water, but we have water that facilitates so many functions inside of our body. Correct. So inside of this water that's actually sitting in the fascia tissue that is never ending. Like it's throughout our entire body, there are messages. And these messages are also in the cells. I mean, cells are also historical databases. So you have these two historical databases that are sitting inside of the body, and then you introduce water into the body via the colon. For me, when that introduction happens, it's like a data download and all. It's like the water, the external water, is meeting with the water inside of the body, and it's like the water is saying, oh, thank God you're here. I have so much data that I need to download. It's not serving our body anymore, and this human is not withstanding that. We need to let this go. And in addition to letting go of this old data, it. It's also intertwined with the excrement inside of the body. There's a reason that we should move that excrement out of the body in a timely manner, but most of us do not. And in addition to that, we don't understand that there is communication sitting inside of that excrement that is no longer serving us that needs to leave the body. But when we remove that excrement, we really need to have conscious awareness as to what does it mean, what was built into that information, and why did I not want to let it go. There's a lot of emotion that's embedded in that communication. So, for example, let's just say I have so many stories, and when it's time for me to tell one, I always draw a blank. But let's just say you're in a marriage and your partner is not supporting the work that you're doing. And because you were raised that the institution of marriage is good and it needs to stay connected at all costs. And you need to be loyal, whether it's working for the marriage or not. You sit in the marriage and you're not feeling good about it, and the body knows you're not feeling good, so you can lie to yourself all day long, especially when you talk to other people. It's great. We're doing well. Oh, he's so supportive. And the whole time you're lying and your body is cringing, the cells are cringing, the water network is saying, this isn't true. And those thoughts actually, again, like Joe Dispenza says, it's going to turn into matter at some point. It has to. And that matter has to complete the digestive process. And often that person sitting in the marriage that's not happy, maybe even the partner isn't happy either. No one's communicating, no one's getting honest about the fact that we're not happy. We need to make some changes individually and collectively. And so even both parties probably have this latent data that's sitting inside of the digestive tract. And now you're having health problems. It doesn't necessarily have to be digestive problems. It could be that you're having fibromyalgia, or you have really bad leg pain, or you're having problems in your brain. And so much of it is associated with that emotion, that latent data that you. You are not getting honest with yourself about the fact that you're truly not happy. And some changes have to happen. And most often, especially in a marriage, the changes have to happen individually so that each individual can come and support the collective. So often people want to say, it's my partner, it's that partner. And it's like, actually, you need to look at yourself. You need to look in the mirror, and you actually need to do the granular work, which happens on a diet. It happens on a cellular level. But for me Ultimately, I'm working through your colon to help you to raise your level of awareness to the truth that you're hiding. And then when you raise that level of awareness, your body actually has a physical response. The body will actually show you that while you're on the table working with me, that you've hit the sweet spot and now it's time to release the information. But if you're lying on the table, and I typically do know, but the goal is not for me to tell you that you're lying. The goal is to help you to guide yourself to communicating your truth, not for me to tell you. Because if we get into that dynamic where I, I'm doing the, what people would call a psychic thing and telling you about the future or telling you what happened, then you're going to think you have to come to me all the time just to move forward in your life. And I tell people all the time, if you're in my office for 30 years, like, some of my clients have been in psychotherapy or psychology for 30 years, and they're like, I haven't made this many changes in 30 years that I've made in your office in one year. It's like, if you're in my office for 30 years, I'm not serving you, I'm holding you hostage just so that I can keep your money. That's what's happening there, right? So the goal is to get you to come into conscious awareness and to release that data consciously and for your body to confirm, you hit the sweet spot. And that's what causes the changes. That's what causes amazing changes. You are now attached to your truth. You're very aware you're communicating that truth. And if, if your partner is doing the same work, he, he or she is communicating that truth. And then the next thing you know, you have this beautiful union. And it's because you did the work, the granular work on an individual level. And then you came to the collective and it makes this awesome, awesome relationship. I've seen it time and time and time again.

Meredith Oke [31:20 - 31:59]: This is so cool. So, so you're working with somebody and you're guided to ask them questions because you can tell that the. The truth being held in their body and in their cells and in their biofield is not the truth that they're telling themselves consciously, Consciously. So over time, you ask questions, questions until they hit upon the truth. And then are, are you saying that you. That you then see, like a physical release, the body is like, okay, yeah, now we're in Alignment. I can let this go.

Sage Joya [31:59 - 33:32]: Yes. It's like, I have an interview on YouTube, my YouTube trailer, at the. The last three minutes, there's a woman that is talking about she had cancer, and she was able to overcome cancer. I think the interview is shortened, but in her interview, she said it's like a lie detector test, because when she wasn't telling the truth, she wouldn't move a thing. But whenever she hit the sweet spot, it just flowed. And that's another client, a neuroscientist that I worked with. She says, I'm not really saying my truth. I wasn't really willing to say what I truly wanted, she says. But then when I finally said my truth, it just flowed. And she's, like, so expressive in the interview, because it really was like that. So it's like, I'm not the one. Yes, I may be the guide, but I'm partnering with you. You're the one that's healing. So it's, like, so important for me to ask you questions. If you're trying to skate around the topic so that you hit your own sweet spot, I don't want to take you there. I want you to understand you are a quantum being. You may not have the gifts that I have, but you certainly have gifts. And I'm trying to help you to understand you're way more than what you think you are. Right.

Meredith Oke [33:33 - 34:09]: Right. And have you come to see the colon, you know, from a. Like, a more sort of esoteric point of view? Have you come to. To see the colon as representative of something specific? Do you feel like there was a reason that in this. In the. In your life, you had. You were forced to focus on the colon with your own health issues and then began a career around it? Like, what is it about that particular bodily process, do you think?

Sage Joya [34:09 - 40:54]: I think that you're right. I would probably say force, even though it wasn't a force. But, yeah, it felt that way. But, you know, we all go through a specific process. Process, because it is leading us to the purpose that we're supposed to serve. And so this is part of one of the purposes that I'm supposed to serve, and it was to bring awareness to the fact that the colon is not this dirty, ugly organ that we should not talk about, because that is where the colon has been for so long. And unfortunately, unfortunately, so much healing can take place in that organ. We now know, like, in terms of bacteria, the greatest concentration of bacteria is sitting right inside of the colon, which turns it into this major immune buster, where it is Giving us so much immune support. If we just help it to regulate itself, it knows how. But because we're consciously not aware of the colon, not aware that we don't have enough water inside of our body to facilitate the exchanges that need to take place in a timely manner, we're suffering unnecessarily. People talk about gut health all the time, but for some reason the colon is not associated with the gut. And it's like, okay. And so this is a conversation that has been had for years where if you had colon problems, you were deemed as psychotic and you were making it up. When fibromyalgia became a term that people would use, they were often associated with being psychotic or at least overly neurotic for, because of this disease. And it's like, no, this is actually a thing because when you have trapped emotional data inside of your body and you have no awareness to has to go somewhere and your body is really trying to communicate to you, we're not aligned with the purpose that we're supposed to serve. So it's a place where we are driven to understand we're getting a red flag from the body. You're out of alignment, you're out of alignment, red flag. Get honest with yourself. Communicate the desire that you really, really want to serve or whatever it is you want to have in your life. But if you don't do that, then we're going to continue to have problems. And so the colon serves in that place. I mean, people think that gut intuition is not real. Don't follow it. People say, because you'll go down the wrong path. And you have to trust your body. You have to trust the communication. You have to understand that we have these different quantum elements inside of our body for a reason. They're not there for nothing. It helps us to connect with the quantum field and give us the guidance that we're looking for. So for me, the colon is an internal navigation system. It's a built in navigation system. And if you just listen to it and you interact with it, I mean, it's not like you have to touch your feces. It's not what I'm talking about. But understanding that this organ is connected with everything inside of the body, and if this organ is not moving properly, you think you're going to have this amazing healthy body. No, you're not. But often people don't even know what their baseline is. They don't know what it means to go to the bathroom in a timely manner or what their excrement should look like. Because These are conversations that are very uncomfortable for people to have, but yet the greatest opportunity, one of the greatest opportunities for us to have that quantum leaping and to communicate into the quantum field is right there through the colon. Like, I'm all about so much of what Joe Dispenza talks about, because I've been doing the same work for so long, but through the colon. And so we talk about, we talk about. I lost my train of thought. But we focus a lot on the heart and its ability to communicate into the quantum field. But if you listen to Joe when he talks about the nervous system, for example, the energy moving up the spine, he does also talk about the digestive system in terms of it being its own center. We have many energy centers in the body. I don't think it's just a colon and just the heart or just the brain that allows us to communicate into the quantum field. We have a lot of light that packets that come from off of our body. Those photoreceptors allow us to communicate into the quantum field, the water inside of our body, we communicate into the quantum field. So there's so many different organs that we probably can use to get there. But I do know that the colon, it has an opening. There's a reason there's an opening there. The mouth, it has an opening. I also know that we have a lumen inside of that digestive tract that's open to the quantum field. And so, for me, it's like, we just have a huge opportunity, particularly in terms of quantum communication, when we utilize the water, the cells, the messaging inside of the water, and the colon, and you can get some really dynamic activity that can happen and direction in your life to really take off. Like, when I talk about sometimes, or not sometimes, all the time, the relationships that I have with my clients, I also teach them about manifestation, because with that interaction, you're just open to manifestation. Like, it gets really easy. And it's like, okay, let's create this. And so I have clients that come back to my office. So now I travel. And when we interact again, it's like, sage, you're not going to believe this. And it's like, oh, I'm the only person that's going to believe this. What happened?

Meredith Oke [40:59 - 41:36]: I love it. And it's so interesting because, you know, what I'm hearing you saying is that the. The great gifts of doing this work are that we are coming into conscious awareness of things that we may be hiding from ourselves, of truths that we might be hiding, and we're doing it by Connecting with a bodily function that we would prefer to not talk about, that we would prefer to keep hidden. I mean, you know, you're like, yeah, I don't. I don't talk about poop that much. Maybe when I had a newborn baby.

Sage Joya [41:36 - 41:37]: Exactly.

Meredith Oke [41:37 - 41:41]: That was then. It was like socially acceptable to discuss the poop.

Sage Joya [41:42 - 41:43]: Yeah.

Meredith Oke [41:44 - 42:07]: So, okay, let's talk about poop. So when we. You talk about your body giving you a red flag. So what comes to my mind immediately for this topic would be being constipated. What other. You know, if you want to unpack that a little bit and then you know what other red flags are.

Sage Joya [42:07 - 42:08]: What are.

Meredith Oke [42:08 - 42:10]: Are coming from our colon.

Sage Joya [42:10 - 43:06]: Okay, so first let me say we don't necessarily have to talk about poop. Like you as a client. Yeah, it's like the referrals that I get from my clients, they do not go into their friends and say, you got to get the poop out. Because my clients are like, mainly like, I work with high achievers, entrepreneurs, academia people that have really like high profile conversations. And the last thing they're going to do is talk about poop. So often they go a different direction. They call me a life coach. They say, maybe you should go talk to her. They let me do all the work.

Meredith Oke [43:06 - 43:10]: I see. They don't even. They don't even bring in the colon at all.

Sage Joya [43:11 - 43:57]: They don't. They don't. Interesting. Because the other thing that has happened is, especially in certain women, how women are. Women have specific circles. And then everyone wants to kind of. They're like, what are you doing? And so what happens is somebody in the circle is looking different and they're moving different and they're just like, what's happening, what you do? Exactly. And then that kind of opens up the door to. I have this life coach I've been seeing and she's helped me to understand things that I want to achieve and how to go about it. It becomes that kind of conversation. And then when the person calls me, I do the work.

Meredith Oke [43:58 - 44:03]: I see you're the one that has to bring in all of the, all of the details.

Sage Joya [44:04 - 44:05]: Right. And it's kind of like, interesting.

Meredith Oke [44:05 - 44:06]: That's super.

Sage Joya [44:06 - 44:06]: Exactly.

Meredith Oke [44:06 - 44:07]: Yeah.

Sage Joya [44:07 - 47:18]: So it's like, do you have any discomforts inside of your body? And then helping them to understand. Even though my client has already done the work, I'm like a friend, a deep friend with people have said it's like somebody I haven't talked to in a long time, that I've always known, but I haven't talked to because it kind of is like that. Because for me, I get a data download about an individual before I even work with them. And I've always been very. I hold secrets. Like, people have always come to me, even from elementary school, and have told me things, and it just doesn't go anywhere. So when people feel that level of safety, then it's like, I can't go to the bathroom. I've tried so hard. So you're right. Like constipation, that means I'm stuck in my life somewhere. But how do I get unstuck diarrhea? I'm running from something. It's something really painful, and I really don't want to address it. But my body is saying, you have to, and there's nothing to be afraid of. Because once you address this, you're actually going to catapult into the purpose that you're supposed to serve, which is truly what you desire. But you don't think you're worthy, so you're trying to suppress it. And we're here to tell you it's not working. And so you might have diarrhea, a fissure. So if you have a tear, then it's like you're holding on to so much information and you refuse to let it go because you think, oh, my God, I don't want to tell any. This isn't normal. What I want to pursue in my life, or say, let's go sexual for a second. I've had so many people that I've worked with because they didn't want to communicate their sexual orientation. And in my opinion, you shouldn't have to. Who cares? You're still an individual. However, that person sitting in their life, they still need to address some issues with other people, and they're not comfortable. So I get people in there that have different, all kinds of problems because they're afraid to communicate who they feel they really are. So those are some of the issues. But I get people in there, people that call me with leg pain and brain fog has always been a big issue because again, I'm working with people in corporate America and just, you know, entrepreneurs. And so it's like, why am I cloudy? And it's like, well, are you having challenges going to the bathroom? And then it turns into a different conversation. But then so many people have said in their interviews, it's like something lifted from me, and I was so clear, and I felt like I had the courage to pursue what it is I wanted to pursue. So those kind of conversations take place all the time that's amazing.

Meredith Oke [47:18 - 47:51]: And do you find that these issues with digestion and elimination are present even if a person is like, I'm doing all the things I eat, all the fiber I do, you know, they've got all of the, the lifestyle things in place that the more like mainstream recommendations for these situations. And it's like, but I still have this issue. Yeah, you're bringing. So you're bringing it to a different level.

Sage Joya [47:51 - 50:22]: Right. Because, you know, people. What, what do people typically do? They follow. So if everyone on the Internet is trying the next best pill, it's like, I got this supplement and it's done so well and I feel so much better inside of my body. And I'm sitting there and it's like, no, you don't. But I don't say that I have to wait until we get to that place where the person finally says, but I have been using them for some time and, you know, occasionally. And it's like pulling teeth to really admit this product is not really working for me. But if you have the masses that are jumping up and down and saying the product is working and you feel like you want to jump on board, it's going to be hard for you to finally say, actually, I still really don't feel well. Sometimes I feel okay, but it's not the greatest. It's hard to admit that truth. So, yeah, the diet is one of the things. So I'll be honest. When people come to me, I have to do an intake questionnaire with them and I do ask about the diet, but honestly, I do not really care what your diet is. Because what I know is that when you start doing that work, ultimately you're going to come back to me and say, I'm trying this new food and it's so great. And the reason you're going to do it is because when you feel good on the inside, you're going to reach for good on the outside. But when you don't feel good on the inside, you're going to stuff, whether it's chocolate or supplements or something that's not serving you because it's matching the emotion that you are trying to manage on the inside that sometimes you have awareness to, but you feel like it's going to be okay, it'll go away. So you keep eating that same food or supplements or whatever they are to mask that emotion, but it doesn't go away. So I already know when you come to me, it's not about your food, it's not about your supplements or whatever else you're consuming it is about the emotion. And we're getting ready to go take a ride to see what's in your trunk you don't want to get rid of.

Meredith Oke [50:27 - 50:38]: You know, it really makes sense. It's like we can't adjust external inputs if we're not aligned internally.

Sage Joya [50:39 - 50:41]: Exactly. Very well said.

Meredith Oke [50:46 - 51:15]: This is kind of crazy. Okay, so one question I did want to ask because I know your office is in Harvard Square. You get a lot of academics. I know. I have a lot of friends in Boston. They are not into this. They are not into it. They're like, okay, Meredith, whatever. How do you. I mean, is it the. What happens. Sorry.

Sage Joya [51:15 - 51:16]: It's okay.

Meredith Oke [51:18 - 51:19]: I have to reap.

Sage Joya [51:36 - 51:37]: Take your time.

Meredith Oke [51:45 - 52:03]: Okay. How do you. How does this unfold with clients who have been trained to live in their heads the way so many academics and accountants and business people have been?

Sage Joya [52:03 - 52:10]: Okay, so first let me say my office is no longer in Harvard Square.

Meredith Oke [52:10 - 52:12]: You got out of there.

Sage Joya [52:12 - 56:41]: Good for you. It wasn't so much that I like needed to get out of there because I love the area. But ultimately my practice went mobile. And so I traveled to the homes of my clientele or if necessary, we will meet in a hotel, a very nice hotel, and we'll do the work there. How does it work in terms of getting these business minded, academia, scientific doctors and nurses to move into the esoteric side of their body? It's not something that I actually preach. I'm neutral. When you come to me, unless a client already talked to you, I'm pretty neutral and they want to come in. I do require a minimum, a certain minimum of sessions that people have to do with me. One or two just doesn't work. And so if a person wants to submit to the minimum, already know they're in a place and they're ready to move something that maybe they're not aware of, but they're ready to move and so the conversation unfolds naturally. It's not something that I preach. I don't walk around. It's like you have to do reverse quantum cleanse sessions or you're never going to move in your life. You know, it's like the colon. It's like I want to. I'm looking for ways and I'm always looking for ways. If you look at some of the videos I have, I've been trying to. People have said, I could tell you're trying to say something, but you're not saying it. And it's true. Because for a long time I was like, how am I Going to tell people that the colon is more than just this dirty organ that we shouldn't talk about and that there's a wealth of opportunity for you to progress in life. So I've been stepping gingerly, but like I said, when I work with people, it unfolds naturally. But the goal is like this conversation we're having today is really helpful because the goal is to really just deliver the information. And for people that are ready, they'll hear, they'll identify. I thought so. I knew it. I need to work with her. That's what happens. Otherwise I'd certainly get people on the Internet that are like, you don't know what you're talking about. And science didn't say that. And it's like science isn't there yet, but they're, they're on my trail. Like they, I've seen some really great science papers out there that are like the colonial. It's like, yes, the colon is amazing. Anytime you have the largest concentration of bacteria sitting in that area, just one drop of colon fluid, there's more than 1 billion bacteria in there. And we know that bacteria changes behavior. Bacteria helps with digestion, bacteria in the mind, gut connection, they sit on a razor thin layer of mucus and they listen to our conversation. Bacteria is really making a difference inside of our body. And what I'm really teaching people is to how to reorganize the relationship that you have with that bacteria. Because if you have nothing but bad bacteria inside of your body, I mean, you have some good bacteria in there too, but predominantly bad, then you're definitely going to have problems. But if you allow yourself to move through that cleansing consciously, you change the relationship of that bacteria, which is really your colleague inside of the body. And you can start to make that bacteria work for you instead of against you. So it's teaching people that information. And typically when a person comes to me, especially referrals, they're seeking that information for their particular body because we're all different. And it's like, okay, well what do I need to do? How do I change this relationship? And it's like, okay, let's take the journey.

Meredith Oke [56:43 - 57:28]: Let'S take it. Yeah, that's true. Because I remember during the applied quantum biology cohort, somebody I think was on a coaching call, somebody was having an issue with something and you raised your hand and you're like, can I say something? And I'm like, please. And you're, you encouraged that person to talk to their cells. And I knew, I knew I was with my people because Everyone on the call. Everyone on the call was like, oh, yeah, that's a good idea. Most people will be like, what to do what? Our crew was like, oh, yeah, say more about that.

Sage Joya [57:29 - 57:29]: Yeah.

Meredith Oke [57:29 - 57:42]: So is that what you mean? Like, you know, it's not just. I mean, it's. It's on a frequency level, but it's also on a, like, level of the way I'm talking to you now. I can be talking to my body. I can be talking to this bacteria in my colon.

Sage Joya [57:42 - 1:01:27]: You can, you can. I mean, we think that it's weird, but it's like your body hears you, your cells heal you. They're listening to your thoughts. It's like, that's how come we have some of the biological changes inside of our body. Because we perceive something, then we have a thought, and then we generate chemicals that match those thoughts. And those chemicals have to move through the body. They don't just sit somewhere and park it. They move because what's happening, information is transferred. And. And so a peptide is going. And it's looking for a cell that actually has a receptor on it where it transmits this information and says, we're not happy. And the cell is like, what? We're not happy? Okay, let me send the message. And that message gets sent throughout the body. And we have this physical change based on that messaging, which ultimately turns into matter because we generate trash inside of our body. So at some point that the trash, the remains of it needs to be released from the body. And that's where we get into the opportunity to have so much power to create change in our life. But we can also do that by just, you know, my clients get homework assignments every single session. You are walking out that door or I'm walking out your door. Sometimes I talk like I'm still in an office. I'm walking out your door. And you have homework assignments. And the most fast. There's so many things I could tell you about, about reverse quantum cleansing, which at the base of it is a colonic. The most fascinating thing that happens because we are quantum bodies that are communicating into the quantum field. After your session, you get anywhere from three to five days. And this is for the average. For some people, it's longer to take the action around your homework assignment. And typically your homework assignment has everything to do with a repressed desire that you're bringing to the forefront. If you take the action, it's like manifestation. It's going to happen. And it has something to do with that light communication that's happening in the Quantum field. It's so quick. It's so fast. You're very open. And like I said, we're quantum beings. Like, Deepak Chopra just did a book on quantum. On the quantum body. It's like you have an opportunity to make a change in your life so quick. Within that three to five days after you do this work, after you have that water circulating inside of your body and the messages are coming to the forefront, you're releasing the things that you don't need. Now you're open, and you're ready. If you do the homework, you'll see the changes. It becomes worth every single thing that you had to move through on the table because you're like, oh, my God, that did not just happen. And it's like, actually, it did. Some people tell me, they're like, tell me you're not selling me this. Because they're even. Their body changes. Like, their face will change. Like, they see the lightness, they see the wrinkles go away. It's like, tell me you're not selling. Selling me this. And it's like, I can't sell you what you see in the mirror. Only you can. So, yes, it's a thing that if you just communicate with yourself, if you get honest, if you don't want to talk in the mirror, then. Or you don't want to talk to yourself out loud, write it down. Your body still hears you. We're communicating with ourselves all the time, and we're communicating into the quantum field all the time.

Meredith Oke [1:01:27 - 1:02:06]: All the time. And I love that you. You talk in terms of connecting with what we really desire as opposed to, like, changing something we're doing wrong. And I don't know, in my experience, I, like, I really resonate with that because if. If it's a true desire, like a God given, divinely inspired desire, moving toward it kind of naturally, I guess, like how it's naturally getting rid of the stuff in your body you don't need. It kind of naturally gets rid of the stuff in your life you don't need.

Sage Joya [1:02:06 - 1:02:07]: Yes.

Meredith Oke [1:02:07 - 1:02:10]: Because you're like, oh, that's getting in the way of my desire.

Sage Joya [1:02:10 - 1:04:27]: Like, Exactly. It's true, Meredith. So it's like when you do this work and even, like I said, you know, talking to yourself and getting conscious around it, you start breaking cords. Right? Because we. We do know we're all connected. Everything is connected. But some of the things we're connected to, we should not stay connected because it's a weight and it's. It's changing our vibration. And it's weighing us down. It's tearing us down internally as well. And so when you start to do this work, things change. They have to change. The work is surrounding change. You're moving excrement out of your body. You're in conscious awareness as to what that excrement means. And so whatever was attached to it, that was weighing you down, not only is it weighing you down physically because it's physical matter, but whatever is attached to it emotionally, the cord has to break. And when the cord breaks, it opens up another door. Now, sometimes things can get a little wonky with those cords breaking because, like, say, for instance, like, I love talking about parasites because for me, when you have parasites, you really just have a lot of. Most of the time, people in your life that are parasitic that you need to get rid of. And when you get rid of those parasites, you're the host. The parasite is like, I'm not leaving. Like, you supply me food, water at home. Forget that. And if you make it leave, it gets upset. Right. And so it's going to fight before it allows you to truly break that cord. And that's the way it is sometimes with people in your life that you shouldn't stay connected to. It gets kind of wonky trying to let that go. But when you're doing work like this, when you're getting in the mirror and talking to yourself, when you're consciously writing sentences, sometimes you can minimize that wonky. And eventually it gets very easy and there is no wonky. It just dissipates.

Meredith Oke [1:04:28 - 1:04:43]: Right. And that would. Yeah, it makes sense. There's like, a little upheaval on the. Going through a change. Yeah, I was just talking to someone about that. Like, the butterfly is. There's a period where it's mush.

Sage Joya [1:04:43 - 1:04:43]: Yes.

Meredith Oke [1:04:43 - 1:05:40]: It's not a caterpillar. It's not a butterfly. It's like a cocoon of mush. Yeah. Okay, one last thing. And so something that I have noticed personally with myself and. And with many, many people that I've coached is this idea that they're like, oh, this was really great, and I'm in a new place. But there's always. There seems to be this lingering feeling of, like, but that's temporary. The other shoe is going to drop. Like that idea of, like, impending doom or, you know, like, oh, well, that. Okay. Like, there's just this sort of piece of our beings or a piece of my being that, like, isn't quite ready to, like, let things be. Okay. And I'm wondering how, if you see that with your clients and how you support them or what your thoughts are on that.

Sage Joya [1:05:41 - 1:09:34]: So another thing that I love about the work is you kind of don't get a chance to stay where you want to stay in terms of fear, because in addition to releasing the physical matter, you're also releasing fear. And when you're on the table and you're in the middle of doing that work, you can't run. You have to face what is in front of you. And the great thing is, I'm with you. So it's kind of like I'm standing in the gap, and I have an animation that someone did for me where it's like, you're on one side of the bridge and I'm on the other, and I'm like, come on. And your sign says, I'm scared, and I'm on the other side. And I'm like, it's okay. Come on. And so you go across the bridge, you get halfway, you run back, and then you do that a couple times, and then finally you come, and then we embrace. Because I hug my clients at the end of every session. It's almost like a sealant for the work that they've done. But you let go of the fear and, you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt. You know, that's the great thing about teaching quantum biology, Quantum principles to quantum body is gaining the understanding that I actually am a quantum being. And the fears that I have, I made them up. They're actually not real because it is my birthright to create whatever it is I want and to bring it toward me. So when you gain these understandings and through your sessions, you're getting reminded, and I would have to say the most powerful element is water. That element is pretty much doing all the work. It is raising your awareness to what you're holding on to. The fears you're holding on to. It is usurping the fear and moving it out of the body. It is giving you a hug because you're so used to having water inside of your body. And nine times out of 10, when we first work together, you're dehydrated. You just don't know it. And so all of a sudden, this water becomes this rich of hugging inside of your body, and you feel so secure. So when each time you're finished your session, you're just getting more, more more secure. You're becoming fulfilled within yourself. You're understanding how powerful you are with each session. You can't go backwards. And actually, I tell my clients, when you start this work you will no longer be able to return to the low vibrational being that you've allowed yourself to be, because if you try to go there, it'll feel so uncomfortable because you now are living the experience of the greatness of who you are so you can't return. So that was the longer answer to say no. My clients don't have to worry about that level of fear because we're doing. We have water. Anytime you have water, you're. You're really going to progress. It just is what it is.

Meredith Oke [1:09:35 - 1:09:54]: Wow. Yes. And yeah, we all understand, yeah, the power of that, that liquid crystal structured water, whatever you want to call it, and your take on it is just so, so beautiful. And thank you for sharing it.

Sage Joya [1:09:54 - 1:09:54]: Thank you.

Meredith Oke [1:09:55 - 1:09:59]: And how can people find you? Do you do only in person?

Sage Joya [1:09:59 - 1:10:02]: So, so do I need to be.

Meredith Oke [1:10:02 - 1:10:04]: In Boston to work with you or how does it go?

Sage Joya [1:10:05 - 1:11:03]: No. So with me being mobile, like I said, I travel. I do my best to travel only inside of the United States. I do have certain instances where people beg and it's kind of hard to say no, but sometimes I have to say no. But I also have an online component which is pretty dynamic and it is work. But I've seen some really beautiful stories unfold from doing the work online. But most often a person has done at least a level of sessions with me that really takes the online work to the next level. But so I have the online component and I have working one to one. So you can find me on YouTube. You can also message me on Instagram. I'm not on Instagram as much, but I am there.

Meredith Oke [1:11:05 - 1:11:11]: That's Sage Joya. S H A G E. And then Joya is J O Y A.

Sage Joya [1:11:11 - 1:11:11]: Yes.

Meredith Oke [1:11:11 - 1:11:17]: So sage joya.com sage joya on YouTube and sage joya on Instagram.

Sage Joya [1:11:17 - 1:11:20]: Yes. Those are the three places to find me.

Meredith Oke [1:11:21 - 1:11:32]: Wonderful. Well, thank you again for being here. This, this has been delightful. And yeah, I feel like I'm in a different place just from. From spending this time talking to you. So thank you.

Sage Joya [1:11:32 - 1:11:46]: Thank you so much. Oh, and may I say one more thing? I do have a challenge coming up for people who want to learn more. It's actually called makeyourbody pooponitsown.com so good.

Meredith Oke [1:11:46 - 1:11:47]: I love it.

Sage Joya [1:11:47 - 1:11:51]: Yeah, it's the make your body poop on its own challenge. And everyone's welcome to come.

Meredith Oke [1:11:52 - 1:12:06]: Beautiful. Yes. If you know anyone who has confided in you that they are suffering with these kind of symptoms, I really very highly recommend a visit to Sage. And do the challenge.

Sage Joya [1:12:06 - 1:12:07]: Thank you.

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