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Hot breath averse.

Welcome back to Hot Breath Live, your weekly comedy tune up with comedians Joel Byers and Yoshi.

So if you don't know, we just premiered Yoshi's comedy special on our YouTube channel titled American African.

You've got to go check out right now.

And also congrats to Bob Kirk for winning our hundred joke contest for October.

If you want to compete in November's contest, check out the link in the description of this episode.

But today, I just want that hot breath to hit really quick.

We are, we're going into the metaverse today.

We're bringing an AI expert who is going to help us figure out how we can excel.

Our mission, our mission here is to cultivate self made comics.

And now our guest today, formerly the senior director of innovation at PayPal, now a thought leader in the AI space, he is joining us here to help us level up our comedy with AI.

So without further ado, hot brother and sister and welcome to the hot breath verse, Mr.

Mike Tadasco, everyone.

Welcome.

Welcome, Mike.

Thank you, Joel, Yoshi and the audience out there.

Yes, thank you.

Thank you all for having me.

Absolutely.

We are out here and we're excited.

I mean, dive right into this.

I mean, I almost don't even know where to begin.

I almost kind of want to let you, Mike, as the expert.

You've heard our mission.

You know what we're about at Hot Breath.

So maybe where to begin?

We all hear about AI, we think, oh, I should be using it more.

I hear it over and over again and how it makes life invincible.

And then I log on to ChatGPT and I'm like, how do I spell AI?

So let us ease into this here, Mike, what should we know first perhaps?

Yeah, well, let me tell you in Yoshi and your audience, my story with AI and I think a lot of you will actually be able to relate to that.

So my background is not a engineer technology guy.

I was an accountant.

So to put that into like comedian parlance, that's like Bob Newhart territory right there of like famous accountants in your world.

But like, so I don't have a technical background, but I got into the world of technology.

I was at PayPal, I was running the innovation group there.

And for years I would have these engineers come in and they would do these really awesome demos and all that and show these amazing things that they could do with machine learning and deep learning and all these other fancy words.

And I was always in awe.

But I can never do that.

Fast forward 2022, you guys might appreciate this.

I was just kind of playing with GPT3, which was a tool created by a company called OpenAI that you probably all heard of.

And I finally had access to it.

I was like, well, what could be fun to do with this?

I was like, I want to make a inauguration speech as if an AI were president of the United States.

Very timely for this time of year.

But this was, that was literally three years ago when I was first doing this.

That's what I happened to be doing.

And I fed it in there, I wrote some lines, I stole a bunch of lines from Obama's second speech and I fed it in there and I was like, AI, go see what you can do.

And I tell you guys, it started to actually spit out words back to me that made sense.

And that was the first time in my life as a non technologist.

I knew this was something amazing, something special.

And I literally ran upstairs.

I'm screaming, I'm screaming in my house about this.

Tell my wife, my kids are like, what's wrong?

I'm like, the computer is making words.

And.

That'S really a revolutionary thing if you really stop to think about like what that is now.

It was making mistakes.

It wasn't good.

At one point it just got stuck, stuck and kept on saying and, and, and, and, and, and it just kept on going and not stopping the first time I got to really see that.

And, and like fast forward today.

These models from three years ago are, you know, a hundred times better.

And then this is the world that we're all entering now.

So how should comics specifically, how can we leverage AI?

I mean, there's so many different variables to being a comedian now beyond just writing jokes and performing and reviewing your sets, and then also edit recording clips and editing clips and social media and all this.

How do you see best fit for the layman to kind of get introduced into AI and really start.

Because it, what I've used it for, it seems like AI is like a skill you almost need repetition to get better at.

Yeah, for, I mean, let's start with.

It's probably easier to talk about like editing and tools like that.

So there's a company called Descript out there that does pretty amazing editing.

It's using artificial intelligence.

But say if we're recording a podcast and all of a sudden I say that, hey, you know, the presidential election is happening on January 5th.

And you're like, well, Michael is actually November 5th.

You can actually go into the script, edit it like a word doc and change when I said January to November and it's going to change it in my own voice as part of that.

And that's pretty amazing because it's literally training off of all those other segments.

So then you can take these and it actually makes clips, it does all this stuff.

So to put content out there, to put high quality content, you know, like even if you got something great, you kind of flubbed a line or whatever, it might be like, it can correct for so much of that.

So tools like descript Podcast AI I think is another one out there.

There's a lot of different tools out there that could really help you edit market, you know, so you're spending less time chopping up your content and more time actually creating your content.

So kind of that's the first side, I would say so like editing video, all that.

Second side, for a comedian out there, the one thing I will tell you, and hopefully this is probably reassuring for some and maybe disappointing for others, it is not.

If you put a prompt into ChatGPT or Claude, you're it's not going to give you a 30 minute set out of that that you're going to be able to just go up on stage and do like it is nowhere near being able to do that, but the kind of things it can do.

And we could talk about more like some of the analysis and research I've done on this, it could start to critique stuff like.

So if you do have 30 minutes and you're like, hey, I need to cut this down to 10 and you have it all written out or frankly you can even use this in voice with some of the tools.

You could put that into Claude, you could put that into ChatGPT and say, hey, identify the jokes in here, rank on a 10 point scale which ones you think are the funniest and how would you edit this down to a tight 10 minutes?

And you know what, it's probably gonna, it's not gonna be perfect, but it's actually gonna start to get there.

And you might even say like, oh, how can I punch this up?

Give me 10 different options to punch up this slide because this just isn't working for me.

It's a brainstorming partner.

Like in many ways that's one of these things that the AIs are really good at.

It's brainstorming.

It's like having a buddy at all hours of the night just like sitting right next to you, just ready to go and you just throw out some ideas and boom, they got like 10 things that they're going to be firing back at you.

That's, you know, that's the things that, like, AI today is really good at.

And it's also, I think what I've learned from just researching AI on my own is like, when you prompt AI, which is basically typing something to AI, you want to qualify it.

So it's like if you're, if you just type in AI, edit this script for me.

That would be like you walking down the street and just asking any random person to edit your script.

You almost want to be like, act as a comedy writing expert who's worked with Conan and whoever, and you just build up their resume and then say, using your expertise, edit this.

And I think that's a detail I think a lot of people overlook in AI right now.

Absolutely.

And so basically what you're describing, Joel, is giving your AI a Persona.

Like, if an AI, the problem is the AI has infinite things that it can do that it can be.

It could help build a recipe for you.

It can help do drug discovery.

If you think about that from like the human brain, like, these are all things humans would be able to do also.

But you're right.

Like, if you just walked up to some random stranger on the street and just said, hey, tell me a joke, it's gonna be hard to do that.

It would similarly be hard for an AI to do that.

But if you gave the AI some context, I'm into Bernie Mac, Sid Caesar and Phyllis Diller or something.

I don't know, just, I mean, you could randomly pick throughout your influences, whatever it might be, it's going to start to do that and start to give you some sort of reference for, like, you said, like, say, late night type comedy or whatever, it will understand those references better.

You can even have it critique your own.

Just say, hey, this is my actual.

I'm going to be playing a club in Bismarck this weekend.

Like, I don't know, what are people into?

Like, how do you think these jokes are going to land there?

There's all of these other questions that you could start to ask about that.

And especially with tools like ChatGPT, it actually does have a memory component.

And so, like, the more you work with it, it will actually start to save some of these pieces in memory and it will actually start to learn about you.

So, so, and again, I back up.

Claude and ChatGPT are kind of the two major AI tools out there that people can use.

And generally they're really the two best ones out there.

I would say for anybody looking to be in the space Most are free to start.

No more than like 20 bucks a month that you would have to pay.

But really with either of them, you would kind of be amazed at the kind of content it's going to build out.

But you just got to kind of give it some time.

It's got to learn.

You got to learn how to interact with it just as much as it has to learn.

What is it that you like versus what you don't like.

Yeah, I've been using AI for some time now.

And one of the things like Joel mentioned is, and that you've also mentioned is to use it as a support system for what you need, almost like as an assistant.

And what I've done is my special, for example, that I literally put out.

I used it to help me find, hey, find the biggest pops based on what you heard.

Because I took the audio and find the biggest pops.

And then I've also used it find clips within this to be used for TikTok and or social media.

And so I've used it as a way to sort of summarize and help me find synopsis.

So like, I remember giving Joel the description for the special.

I used AI to just do the description of the special and said, okay, get it down.

Tighter, tighter, tighter, tighter.

But then also make it for this audience.

How would this description work best for YouTube?

How would it work best for TikTok?

And based on the synopsis of the entire set, so I also sort of pushed it into, had it memorized and know my entire set.

It was already word for words.

I just threw it in there and said, based on my set, how would you.

What would be the description of this material?

And then it gave me that back and so I like using it for that.

I've all used it for joke generation ideas as well.

In terms of I've got like just some dumb joke that I thought of when I was on the Poop Pooper and I was like, all right, help me figure out better ways to like say this.

But I had like a setup and I had a punchline and I was like, give me some more ideas sort of just based on this dumb idea that I have.

And it's helped me sort of just figure out how to organize the joke itself.

Never writes it for me because I don't need it to do that.

But it definitely gave me just a bunch of ideas.

Sort of.

Can you go into sort of how comedians can use AI for better for the like the business side of standup?

Right.

I know right now we're talking like the performance and like the, you know, content and sort of just how do you think comedians can use AI for the business side of this business that we call show business?

Yes, I will get to that.

But first, Yoshi, I want to just touch on your point, because I think it was so good.

These things, again, they can do infinite possibilities.

So the kind of things you're describing, like it, like AI is as capable as what your imagination has for it.

So, like just whatever the more creative you are with solutions, with ways that you want it to help you, the better output you're going to be able to get from these models.

And that's something we've seen time and time again, even with the image generation models.

So the ones that will generate a picture or photograph or whatever.

There have been studies on this, and it's really fascinating the more skilled you are as an artist.

So they had me not an artist.

Skilled artists both generate the same type of picture and then show that picture and say, hey, rate this on a scale of 1 to 10.

The actual artists, those rate way higher than the person who is not an artist.

Now, why is that?

Because they know the nuance, they know the style, they know all this other stuff that goes into great artwork.

So they would say details and things that I would never even think of as part of it.

So, you know, so I think that's really important.

And especially, you know, for whatever your craft is, just know the more you give into it, the more you're going to get out.

But on the business side of things, the first thing I would go to.

Now, I don't know the world of showbiz.

You might have to guide me here a little.

But I'm sure you all probably see lots of contracts, lots of agreements you got to sign with all these little clubs that are God knows where.

And every time you're playing a show somewhere, it's something different or your manager has to do it.

The first thing I would do is I would frankly just like, lean on these tools for reading legalese.

Whether it's a contract with your manager, whether it's a contract with a performance venue, a producer, whatever it might be, literally just upload that thing as a PDF or whatever you have and just say, hey, ChatGPT, I'm a comedian.

I'm going to be playing this show in a few weeks.

Tell me, does anything not look standard in this?

For starters, and like right there, that's an easy question for the models to answer.

Five seconds, they'll say, well, yeah, actually, these clauses are A little bit weird.

And then you can say, okay, well, maybe you're really concerned about Brown M and Ms.

Or whatever the heck it might be that you don't want.

Like, you can even upload your writer and say, is this consistent with my writer?

Or is this consistent with maybe the email thread I had going with this venue before I sign it?

Can you actually tell and see, like, okay, we were talking about this over email, but this is what they gave me as a contract.

Does that make sense?

Are these two consistent with each other?

And like, that is one thing that these things are hugely, hugely beneficial for.

And again, Claude chatgpt.

They do it easily.

Easily.

But guide me.

What else do, like, what else y'all do in show business land?

I'm in Northern California.

I don't know what everybody does in la.

I mean, I'd probably say from my end, I'm a producer.

And so I.

I started using Notion to sort of organize all, like, the comedians that I like to use.

And I've.

I literally have a database of probably like a hundred comedians that I like to put on shows, like, in the area.

And I literally rank them by, like, are they clean?

Can they do a bar show?

Can they do longer sets?

Some of the topics that they do?

And then what I would love is if AI can figure out, all right, based on this, give me a lineup that I can sort of put on a show, like, and easily generate that.

I mean, that would be cool, like, but I haven't sort of connected the dots yet.

Yes, I've got the piece of Notion, but I haven't connected the dot on.

Okay, for this next show, which comedians should I put on this show?

But it definitely helps me sort of rake through and then I mark off, oh, I've used this comedian this month.

Let me use somebody else or somebody else who hasn't been booked over time.

Absolutely.

Like, so Notion has an AI component that's fairly robust.

I think you have to pay extra for it.

It's already built in there, so it can do analysis like that just off of that tool.

And if you're not using Notion, whatever other project management CRM tool, they're all getting AI baked into there.

So, I mean, there's all of these different ways that you can potentially do that.

Or theoretically you could just download what you have a notion as a CSV file, such as a common Excel type format, and you could then upload that into Claude or whatever it might be and say, hey, I want a show that is going to be, you know, the Friday shows are clean.

The Saturday shows are not.

I don't want to repeat anybody.

I want to have whatever.

Put in whatever your parameters are and say, okay.

Now, given that, given those constraints, maximize this for the next three months of shows.

You know, it's.

It's October 2024.

Give me shows through the holidays.

Where and how.

What kind of pairings do you think would be the best for that?

And expect to do that now, it's not gonna be 100, but it could get you like, 70 of the way there.

And that's.

That's a pretty good start.

And then even as you adjust it, say, like, okay, here's how I adjusted it.

Now can you take those and maximize it, optimize it again?

And I'll just keep doing that again and again.

Yeah, I like that.

Another use case that just came to mind is because something comics that's like, so many comics lack professionalism, like, as produce.

Because I've produced shows as well, and so many comics will just reach out, yo, I heard you have a show.

Let me get on it.

Like, that's not how you reach out to a booker.

So even if it's like, oh, I want to contact Yoshi about getting on his show, you could use AI to one, write a captivating subject line for the email that maybe will be more likely for him to open, and then also a quick message to him that gets what you want to say across, but also it's professional and more likely he'll respond, Joel, Absolutely.

I mean, that is a killer example right there.

So when ChatGPT launched, there was actually somebody who did something very similar.

They were a technologist.

They would mentor as somebody who lived in their neighborhood who was starting a lawn care business.

And he had some learning disabilities that made it like, nearly impossible for him to write an email out.

But he was really good at what he does.

Now, are you hiring somebody to converse over email?

Are you hiring somebody to help with your lawn?

I mean, that's what he does.

And like, the email part was an impediment for his actual skills in that.

So somebody built something.

It was just what you described here for him.

He would be able to kind of type out, hey, yeah, you know, kind of broken thoughts, for lack of a better term, if you will.

But then the AI was able to take that as a response, spit it back out, and say, hey, this is the kind of email I want it to be.

I want it to be nicely formed.

I want it to be this.

Like, you can even show it some examples when you're building this out and it could totally do that.

So.

So, yes, if you're reaching out to a booker versus, you know, a fellow comedian, the tone should be probably totally different in those two situations.

You could just copy and paste.

These are my thoughts.

Now make this for appropriate for a booker who I've never met before, who is running a club out in Tallahassee and boom, throw it in there.

It's going to then give you something.

Copy and paste and send that off.

That's a great example.

Yeah.

I've used AI for some nefarious things as well.

Not nefarious in a bad way.

Where I got rejected by a festival and I basically said, how do I tell these people to F off in the nicest way?

And it's been helpful.

It's so good.

It is so good.

I wonder why you didn't get in the festival.

In a nice way.

And the great thing is we're talking about ChatGPT and all that.

Like, this is getting built into Gmail.

This is getting built into all of the Outlook and all these tools you already look like work with.

It might not be there yet within six months.

It's just going to be.

It's going to be ubiquitous.

It's going to be wherever you're at.

So you can do these kind of tools in there.

You wouldn't even need to jump over to ChatGPT or whatever to do that.

Yeah.

Is that.

Where.

Is that where it's headed?

Where do you see it is kind of fragmented right now.

Where do you see this evolving?

So I think what we're going to see is AI will be everywhere.

AI already kind of is everywhere.

It's just usually behind the scenes, like AI already exists in your email.

The reason why we don't get as much spam today as we did 15 years ago is because there are really complex.

Some spam gets through, but there are AI engines that are kind of doing this in the background and they've been doing it like that for years to filter out all the spam to get that in there.

No one could possibly write that in a computer program.

It's artificial intelligence.

That really is what makes that happen.

So they're going to take those same type of models and you're going to see it in Gmail, you're going to see it in Notion, you're going to see it wherever it is.

You know, Apple just launched their Apple Intelligence today.

So that is going to be.

It's going to be in your iPhone or your Android device or Whatever you have, it is going to be closer.

But I would guess there is probably going to be more of like the world class type models.

They probably won't make their way right now.

Those are the chatgpts and Claude said you have to pay 20 bucks a month for.

And again, it seems if you would have told myself five years ago, I'm going to give you the best AI model in the world, it's, you know, a thousand times more powerful than today.

It's only going to cost $20.

I would have been like, that's, that's insane.

But like really that, that's all these things cost, you know, so you could do just so much with them.

But like I think that will still be separates but for most tasks, for most uses that people want, it's going to be in device or in the application you're in.

Okay.

It's interesting there was Colin in the chat said Colin Chapman had, he's trained chatgpt to be his comedy writing mentor and he's added like hours of transcripts and writing comedy writing books and videos from classes and now it can almost just like help him write as like you said, like a companion almost.

Yeah.

And I do want to make sure, I think I said earlier I referenced Conan.

I wasn't.

I just ethically.

Because this has actually come up in our Facebook group as well.

There was a discussion about what are the ethics of using AI.

And it's not using AI to say write me jokes like Conan O'Brien.

I didn't want me saying that earlier to come off in that way.

It's more of just qualifying the GPT chat, the AI that oh, you've worked with these other comedians, you're very professional now use those skills to help me.

And maybe you could insert, maybe you're more sarcastic comedian or more playful and you could say write jokes in that tone.

So it's more in your Persona as opposed to trying to like write in someone else's comedic voice.

You want it to be in your voice so it's actually authentic 100%.

And I think that's one of the most important things.

Like I actually hate the phrase AI.

Like artificial intelligence itself is.

It means like it's almost like a separate being.

But these are not beings, these are just computer programs.

They're zeros and ones.

And I like to, whenever I can I try and use the phrase augmented intelligence.

Like it should be there to augment you and what you do and your voice and all of the things that make you special, you unique.

We're all our own little snowflakes here.

And, like, the AI is just going to make us snowflake here, if you will, or whatever it might be.

And I think it is important to, like, to steer clear of that.

Like, you know, I think when I was mentioning the people I mentioned burning, I was trying to.

People who've already deceased, like, you know, like.

So I think it is better to steer clear of live people, anything like that, because frankly, the copyright law is still murky on that.

Like, ethics aside, at least in the United States, it still ain't clear.

So as much as possible, be descriptive, or as the person in the chat said, like, use your own work and say, hey, this is what my work is like.

So given this type of work, let's do more work like that.

And that is what the AI should be doing for you.

I think it's a great example.

I mean, one.

And again, I never was going to make money off this.

But in a similar example I had done, this was a couple of years back, I actually tried to make a weird Al AI.

This was before ChatGPT was even released.

I took all of the original lyrics for songs that Weird Al made fun of, and then I took all the Weird Al lyrics, and I basically made like this huge spreadsheet of these two things.

And I was like, okay.

And then at the other end of it, I said, AI, if I give you the lyrics for this song now, make it about eating jalapenos in the style of Weird Al.

And look, it can do those kind of things pretty darn well.

It really can.

But is that what we want?

I mean, and that's the ultimate question.

Like, I think AI can do that.

I think AI could probably replicate Conan.

It could do all this stuff, you know, ethics aside or legality aside, like, is that really what you want your AI to do, or do you want to just let your AI be more of you?

And I think that's the thing.

That's.

That we all need to just really focus on.

Yeah, I'm working on AI.

Make me the money that Conan is making.

And if that works, then.

Amen.

Amen.

Let amuse you, Yoshi.

Did my wife send you here?

Is that.

Is that what's going on?

Yeah, no, that.

That makes a lot of sense.

I mean, I think, you know, as you mentioned, sort of the ethics and all those pieces, because we're still.

To your point, it's still very murky and I think maybe help everyone explain.

Sort of like, you know, I kind of know what a language Model is.

And I kind of know what AI is.

Like how do you explain this to comedians around how to use AI and is it just using those platforms and prompting or are there other things that they can use and leverage AI for?

Right, so like for example, I'm using like the Google LLM and it's basically I put all my content in there because I have years of notes and it's just my material.

And I said, okay, give me 10 material pieces that I have on waffle houses over the years.

And it just spits back every material and it sources it for me.

And I say, okay, can you clean this up for me as well?

So it'll clean it up and says, all right, make this more of a one liner in my own voice.

So I would love to know.

So like that's just Google LLM.

Outside of chat, are there other tools that you would sort of advise comedians?

Right, so from a comedian perspective, we do a lot of emails, we're sending out a bunch of availability to comedy clubs, we're getting a lot of rejection letters from festivals, we're reaching out to people about, hey, can I do a show here?

Those are the kinds of things that I would say sort of as independent artists that we're constantly doing.

What other things do you think of could help us sort of just be better comedians and better entrepreneurs in that comedy ecosystem?

Yeah, Yoshi, it's a great question.

And here's for anybody who's out there, here's how I think about it.

I would basically say, if I had Conan money, what would I then do?

Like, who would I hire on my team?

You know, you'd hire somebody to help you for booking.

You'd hire somebody to help you do punch ups or whatever it might be.

You'd hire this, this, this.

Like if you had Conan type money or Conan type resources, what would you then do with that?

And then I would kind of go like step by step with that.

And look, I think ultimately something that is like really your core competency, the AI will not be able to do as well as you.

So hopefully that is, you know, writing and performing jokes, like hopefully that's a core competency and like that's key to what you do.

So take that off, you know, put that aside for the time being.

But all the other things, the booking and the emails and whatever goes, you know, whatever the other steps and the things that you do in your jobs, think about those and you know, you can use a bunch of tools there, there are other things that, you know, maybe they would be 5, 10% better, potentially, because they're tailoring in some direction.

But honestly, for most of these things that you're doing, like what you can do in ChatGPT or Claude is going to get you everything that you need.

Like, I never, especially when people are starting off with the tools, I never want to overcomplicate things because, yes, there are some other tools that maybe are marginally better or whatever it might be, but frankly, a lot of these tools use ChatGPT on the black, on the back end.

They just literally don't tell you that.

They're literally saying to you, yeah, like, they don't say, like, oh, that's actually chatgpt.

That's powering this thing on the other side.

So just use those tools directly, is what I would say.

And within ChatGPT, you can actually create things and it's called custom GPTs.

So you can, you know, if you're paying, I think you do have to pay the 20 bucks a month to get access to this.

If you pay that, you can upload your stuff in there, you can keep your files in there.

And then whenever you want to say, like, hey, you know, just say you put all your notes in there.

Say, like, hey, you know, the jets just lost.

Like, have.

Have I.

Do I have any notes about the jets losing games or any jokes that I've used over time?

Like, I want to post something on Twitter, and boom, you put it in there, it's going to look through all your stuff and say, nope, I don't see anything in there.

Or, yep, I do see something in there.

You could tweak that, post it on Twitter.

Do whatever you want to do with that, because the jets just got blown out again.

Yeah, it.

Steve Polger commented that Joel's wife thinks AI stands for another income.

And Kashif just said they're a newer comedian that uses it, ChatGPT, to coach them on crowd work and handling hecklers.

Interesting.

So.

So I assume they're actually putting in what the hecklers are saying or something.

Or like, at this point in my, like, how.

I mean, you could have ChatGPT heckle you.

There's actually a voice mode of ChatGPT.

This is really interesting.

I don't know if this is what they're doing.

There's a voice mode and imagine if Siri worked.

That's the only way I know how to explain it.

Imagine if Siri worked.

In this conversation.

You can actually probably say, hey, I'm going to give you my act based on what I'm saying or doing here.

At certain points, I want you to heckle me and then I'm going to say something back and then I want.

And then when I'm done with that, I want you to actually critique the heckling and how you think the audience would react to that.

At this point of the show.

I don't know how good it's going to be, but, like, I would.

I think that'd be a fascinating experiment to kind of try out.

That's so next level.

I love that.

Yeah, that's interesting.

I don't have.

I'm going to do like a George Carlin bit or something and I'm going to have to do it myself, I think.

Yeah.

Cash have said they.

They use it.

ChatGPT will come up with scenarios based on the kind of clubs they're at and then evaluating their response.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Like an on demand coach.

I love that.

That's super smart.

So, Bob.

Bob Kirk, the winner of this month's Hundred Joke contest as well, by the way, if anyone wants to join November's It's Linked in the show notes.

But Bob asked is it all about the quality of the prompts when working with AI?

I'd say largely yes, because these things could theoretically produce any response possible if you know the old trope of monkey.

Put enough monkeys in a room typing shake and eventually you'll get Shakespeare out of it.

You know, like that.

That, that old trope like that is true with AI it just doesn't take as many monkeys to do that.

So theoretically, you could get almost any kind of result.

Like it could give the best joke you've ever heard in your life on that.

Like it.

It's possible these things tend to skew to the average versus the best just because they're kind of.

They're based on, you know, they've been trained on everything that's good and funny on Reddit and everything that's bad and unfunny on Reddit and it's.

It doesn't have that risk discerning palette that humans really have.

But like, theoretically, like, the better you prompt for sure, the better your results are going to be and the more time you spend with the models, the better you get at prompting.

Yeah, maybe Tony Hinchcliffe should have asked AI, should I do these jokes at this?

No one knew about that.

Yeah.

They know now.

They know now.

They know now.

Yeah, everyone knows now.

I'm wondering if, I don't know if we could do like a demonstration.

I don't know.

Do you think we'd be able to do that for the.

For the kids out there.

What do we want?

What do we want to demo?

What do we want to try out here?

I can guide you guys.

You tell me.

Let's do a live demo.

I love live demos.

Yeah.

If it's like, even just, like a joke idea, we could just like, have a premise and then try to punch it up with Chat GPT maybe.

Okay, you want to do Chat GPT?

Then I'll get it open and I.

Think you can share your screen.

Share my screen?

Let me see.

Then I have to bring it up.

One sec.

Let's go.

When you see that.

Okay, one sec.

We have to pull up a new window.

Oh, oh, so that's him.

One sec.

We're trying something new here, y'all.

We're getting fancy.

Live demo you guys have had.

This is.

So any technical difficulties are excusable, unlike all the others we've had today.

So let me see if we just bring it up there.

Yeah, I think everyone can see that.

Yeah, I'll just take.

Okay.

All right, gentlemen, you are the comedians here.

So how do we want to punch this up?

What type of jokes?

What do we want here?

And say some more and then I'll put it in and we'll see what it does.

I.

I could work on a premise.

I have a joke about my wife and I basically having different relationships with our phone battery.

Like, you know, she, like, I like my phone completely charged.

She's always on 1%.

So, I mean, the joke right now is I had no idea I married a 1 percenter.

And then she's talking about wanting kids, but she can't even keep a phone alive.

So that's basically the joke right now.

Yeah, I think something.

Yeah.

As you're writing that, I would love to see chat sort of expand the joke and.

Or give me more ideas to make this joke longer.

Okay.

And I wish I'm going to tell the punch up a joke.

Here's the premise, and then I'm going to do that.

And then I'm just going to kind of do this.

A little separator now.

Oops, sorry.

Let's just say three.

Oh, wait, what happened?

Did we lose?

Oh, no.

Then I was.

I was trying to bring up to where we could still see you as you're working.

So I was just.

Oh, you don't need to see me.

They know what I look like, so they've seen enough of me.

Please.

No, please.

And expand this out of this.

Again, is only a premise.

And again, you Want to be telling this?

Like, where do you want to tell this joke?

Is this, like, in clubs?

Like, where are the clubs?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, my audience is more, you know, I like older, rich people.

That's really been my demo.

I like audiences with money now, but it could be, like, family friendly.

I'm a clean comedian, so maybe that could be almost part of a.

A detail within the responses it gives that I'm a.

I'm a clean comedian.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so I want you to help out with the joke.

Here's the premise.

And I always just kind of do this, just so it's very clear what it is.

Wife and I have a different relationship.

And the great thing is if you don't spell things correctly, it doesn't really matter.

With our phone batteries, I'm at 100%.

She is, like, never charged.

You said 1%.

I.

E.

1%.

Now give me three different concepts.

I'll give feedback at the end.

Okay, so that's it.

And then we're going.

And we're going to see.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Hold on.

The thing is, the speed is next level with this.

Do you want me to read this for folks then kind of.

Yeah, yeah.

What it.

What it.

What it came up with here?

Yeah.

Okay, so.

And what was the prompt again?

I'm trying to see.

Let me move up.

Oh, that's so funny.

Oh, even the first one.

So, hey, we want you to help us punch up a joke.

Here's the premise.

Yeah, yeah.

So this was the premise.

And then I asked for three different concepts, and I emphasize this is only a premise.

So just start from here, punch it up, expand it out.

Gotcha.

And so the first one I gave was this.

Battery life, priorities.

And.

Yeah, you're on 100.

Yeah, sorry.

That is.

Sorry.

I'm just reading it off.

Like, the fact that you're running on 100 and she's running on vibes is so funny, Joel.

I was like, oh, that is a funny line.

Yeah.

Interesting.

100 and she's running on vibes.

That's very funny.

Expanded, fully charged phone survival.

It's right there.

Food, water, and coffee.

My wife, she's like, I'll figure it out.

She's on 1% like an Olympic sport.

She wants to raise kids, but I can barely trust her to raise her phone above low power mode.

And God forbid she needs it in an emergency.

When her battery hits 10%, she looks at it like she just discovered it's got a ticking timer or something.

I thought we had more Time.

Interesting.

It does almost like act outs as well.

Yeah, I bet.

Kind of like how Colin was using it.

If you train the AI on different techniques, it could probably incorporate like, oh, maybe a callback or more act outs or things like that as well.

Absolutely.

That is one of the beautiful things here.

I mean, there is, believe me, there's no comedy that it has learned about me and any of the prompts that I have been giving it into here.

So, like, this has been.

But if that's what you do for a living and you start to, again, just like, have that in the memory bank, so to speak, of ChatGPT, it's going to start to learn.

And even with the exact same prompt that I gave here, your results would be different because it's going to have that kind of past knowledge about you and it's going to tweak all of these based on that.

Yeah.

And Bob asked a good question about, since it's scraping the Internet, could it possibly plagiarize someone else's jokes?

Possibly.

Of course.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

I mean, I mean, it is possible.

How these things work, though.

It is.

It's a database looking for relationships.

This is all math.

And I won't get too technical here, but it's not like it actually has, you know, it doesn't have all of, you know, Robin Williams at, you know, his act or something like that.

It doesn't, like, have the years and years of that just like sitting somewhere that it's going to pull from.

But it sees relationships between words and it's always trying to predict the next word.

And if it sees a pattern often enough, it is going to probably find a way to make a similar pattern to that which very well could be tied to someone else's joke.

So I don't know.

I mean, so if you're using this in Gemini jokes, I'd probably recommend, you know, be a little bit weary of, like, doing, again, 30 minutes of content from here.

You know, probably want to put that through a plagiarism checker, do some Google searches on a few of the things, spot check it, make sure it makes sense.

But again, it's not going to give you a good 30 minutes.

It's going to give you, you know, it's going to help you punch up a concept just like what it did here.

Yeah, but also that's the same.

You're running into the same thing when you tell a joke on stage.

Is that somebody.

That's somebody else's joke.

Right.

Very rarely are we researching somebody else's Joke, even as comedians, especially if it's like our own story.

Like, Joel, actually, I know that for sure he has, like, this is happening in his life.

His wife is literally on 1% and it's getting him so upset, so he's not going out into the world.

Do you have this problem?

Do you have this problem?

Does you know what I'm saying?

So, like, this is.

We.

We run into the same issue where somebody will be like, hey, I think that's somebody's joke.

That's really the only time we know that that is somebody's joke as well.

Like, we also look through the Internet, like, I'm doing the source checks, and I'm doing, like, you know, I'll look up different things on different phrases or different idioms as well, and try to find idioms that I can use in a joke.

It's like, I know that the idiom has been used before, but in this context, it's for this joke that I'm writing.

So if I say something like, do not threaten me with a good time.

I know that people have used that, but in the context that I'm using it, no one's going to be like, oh, you stole that phrase.

Do not threaten me with the good time.

That's like a universe that people say, yeah, but, yeah, I mean.

I mean, you're right.

Yeah, Yoshi.

I think it's a great example.

And to bring up a parallel example kind of from my past life, I would file a lot of patents when I was at PayPal, you know, and patents are kind of, by definition, an invention that no one has thought of before.

But every patent itself has dozens of references to all of the ideas that came before it.

And some are closer, some are further away.

Like, legally, you actually have to reference all of those different things on there, because, like, in reality, you know, people will often have the same idea at the same time.

Alexander Graham Bell, the dude who created the phone, he is only attributed to be the inventor of the phone because he beat this another guy by, like, an hour to the patent office, because that's how they used to do it.

Like, you had to run it to the office, who had basically the exact same idea because it was built on all this other stuff.

And it literally came down to being, like, the inventor beating them out by hours.

And they.

They had the same idea at the same time.

And that's just a kind of a reality of folks.

And that's one of the reasons.

I mean, that's what makes comedy so great, right?

You tell this Story like, Joel, you talk about the battery.

I'm like, oh my God, I could relate to that.

Right?

You just packaged it in a way.

I mean, the audience couldn't relate to it.

Then we wouldn't find it funny.

But because we can.

That's, that's part of the magic of it.

Yeah.

That's why I picked that joke because it's, it's newer.

But when I do it, people at the table are always pointing at the person that's always on 1% or after the show they're like, oh, I need my phone always charged as well.

So it's very relatable.

So I was like, there's.

There's something there that I can build on.

Yeah, so I see.

It's like.

And that's the great thing.

Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

I was just going to.

Oh, sorry.

The great thing about a little delay now, great thing about the tools is that you can test out concepts.

I am sure everybody out there who's a comedian kind of has a graveyard of like, ah, these things just weren't working.

These jokes just like, never really hits.

And like you put them in some file folder somewhere and you're like, eh, you could just upload them all and say, hey, ChatGPT, punch these up based on my thing.

Like, and then you can take another look at it with a fresh set of eyes and say like, oh, okay, like, that's a different way to look at it.

Let me now expand that out a little bit more so.

And they will do this instantaneously.

I mean that is just a huge, huge help for any comedian out there.

Yeah, yeah.

And as you mentioned, it being.

Because like, I see another one here, it says like, the battery life is like a new love language.

So even if it's.

It doesn't necessarily write a new joke for you, it sparks new inspiration that you may be able to then build upon.

Because battery life being like, maybe the sixth love language could be a funny possible angle on it as well.

That's so funny.

Yeah, that is very funny.

Like, even just that.

So what do you provide for your wife?

Power.

That's it.

That's it.

Yeah, I'm all for equality, honey.

Yeah, I'm all about quality equality.

Here, honey.

What was the other one?

What?

What was the second one?

Second one.

Here, let me scroll up.

Sorry, let me.

No, you're fine.

I didn't know how many it spit out.

Always borrowing the charger.

Always borrowing the charger.

And then there's also probably an inverse of like my version of this for her.

So it's like her being on 1% gives.

Gives me anxiety, so I wonder what I do that gives her anxiety.

So maybe there's a parallel there, because you always want to.

You'd always want to be hitting from both sides.

That's something Nate Bargazzi told us on the show.

Is he all.

He wants to, at the end of the day, be the butt of the joke and not hit?

He does a lot of wife jokes, but at the end of the day, he's the punchline, not his wife.

Always.

Nate's so damn good.

So.

So here I just said.

I basically said, flip the script.

So now tell me those jokes from my wife's perspective.

Make it three jokes.

So it's kind of doing it like I'm married to a charger freak, so it looks at the opposite side of that.

So funny.

I think that's funny.

Is like, the opposite.

End of the spectrum is a hilarious joke.

Yeah.

Opposites attract.

So she said, I married a charger freak, so that's funny.

Yeah.

To her, I'm.

She's the weirdo, but I'm actually the weirdo to her.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I do think it's weird that people keep their charged phones, like, on 100.

I'm like, what are you.

What are you doing?

Don't you not use it?

And I remember me and Joe were at a gig, and I was like.

And he asked me what my charger was on.

I think I was like, oh, it's like at 15.

I looked at his phone.

It was like, at 92%, I was like, when are you using your phone?

What are you doing?

I was about 90.

When the zombie apocalypse comes, Joel will be ready, and he will be laughing because none of us.

None of the rest of us will be able to use Google Maps, but he will, so.

Yes, that's right.

That's right.

So, yeah, that's.

Oh, we got a super chat.

Look at that.

Oh, yay.

Do you want me.

Should I keep this up?

Should I stop?

I think we got the gist there.

That was a really cool exercise, even, of just seeing how basically you write your joke from one point of view and then figure out how to do it from another point of view.

Yeah, I don't know where we are.

There we are.

What is this?

But yeah, thank you, Mike.

That was super.

And speaking of super, we got a super chat here from Minnow Care.

Farley said.

Thank you.

Always loving it.

Hot breath, always going into the future.

Thank you so much.

That's what we're all about.

Thank you so much for that lovely, super chat there and everyone that hung out on this live stream.

Thank you so much.

We do these every Tuesday at 5pm Eastern Standard Time as we land this plane.

Mike, is there anything else that comics should know you want to leave us with?

How do we land this plane?

Here.

Here's what I would say.

One takeaway from all this.

And look, comedians should be good at this, but ultimately, embrace your inner child.

Whenever I give a presentation to students on the subject of AI, one of the things I tell everybody is like, you got to explore, you got to try stuff.

Sometimes you're just going to fail.

You're going to hit a wall, it's going to not work.

And then all of a sudden, miraculously, it's going to work.

And just like you're a kid trying to figure out how to play a game you've never played before, this is something that's brand new.

It is scary because these things have infinite possibilities and we as humans aren't always comfortable.

We'd rather have something where you could just do A, B or C versus A through infinity.

And I think that's really hard for us to grasp.

So, again, just the more you play this stuff, the better off you're going to be.

And look, if there's any way I could help in the journey.

I write a lot about this on Medium and LinkedIn.

It's all free.

I try to make.

I'm not making any money off this stuff.

I just like to help people.

So if I could be helpful to you all, please reach out.

That's fantastic.

I love that.

Yeah.

So the best way is probably connect with you on LinkedIn.

If people had any questions or anything.

Hey, Comedians Link is this place?

Yeah.

Think about LinkedIn.

So, fun fact, this is, this is, this is what would be known as a callback, I guess, but I'm actually connected to Conan O'Brien on LinkedIn because way back in the day, Conan was actually trying to be the king of LinkedIn.

This was 2006 or something like that.

Conan was trying to be the king of LinkedIn, was just connecting with everybody on there.

So occasionally I will see, oh, I'm connected to that person.

How is that?

Oh, it's through Conan, who I actually don't even know, but he's my one comedian friend on LinkedIn.

But if you want to be another one of my comedian friends on LinkedIn, please connect with me.

Absolutely.

I will definitely do that.

So, Mike, thank you so much for your time.

I will share the links to those in the show notes and I'll also share a link to where people can join next month's writing contest and also Yoshi's new special out on our YouTube channel.

Right now we're all about comics helping comics and we're gonna start showcasing more of the hot breath of earth here on our channel.

So we appreciate all the love and support everyone has shown.

And like Mike has said, doing it for free.

Us as well, doing it for the love of the game, which our wives love.

But no, everything's going great.

So we're so grateful for all of this.

So please join us next Tuesday at 5:00pm Eastern Standard Time for next week's livestream.

But until then, I think we're done here.

Gentlemen, we appreciate everyone for hanging out.

We love you all.

Yeah.

And Mike, when we leave, when we sign off, we dab to sign off.

So you gotta dab with us when we sign off.

Oh my God.

My 13 year old is not gonna be.

Yeah.

Bye, y'all.

Hot breath.