1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,520 The best plan is a canceled plan. There is no 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,280 better plan to spend time with people than a canceled plan. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,960 Just because things are better right this second doesn't mean that 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,640 you don't need to establish a plan. Should they not 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,200 be? It doesn't mean that they're gonna stay better. 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,320 If you did it while wearing pants when you didn't have to, that's a little 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,970 bit of a fail. You should not have been wearing pants. Pants are outside clothes. 8 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:32,690 All right, here we go. I'm gonna pretend I'm pushing record. Cause that feels right. 9 00:00:32,690 --> 00:00:36,530 Okay, I'm pressing record. Boop. Hi, 10 00:00:36,530 --> 00:00:39,850 everybody. I'm Lauren Howard. Welcome to Different 11 00:00:40,090 --> 00:00:43,810 Not Broken, which is our podcast on exactly that. 12 00:00:43,810 --> 00:00:47,250 That there are a lot of people in this world walking around feeling broken. And 13 00:00:47,250 --> 00:00:49,530 the reality is you're just different, and that's fine. 14 00:00:51,690 --> 00:00:54,730 Have I told you guys about the book that I want to write for my 15 00:00:54,730 --> 00:00:57,600 dad? I probably haven't told anybody this. 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,360 So he started writing this and didn't 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,000 finish it. I'm sure he's listening right now. He was a terrible writer. He's a 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,720 horrible writer. I'm a good writer, and it never occurred to 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,520 me to take his stuff and make it not bad. He did successfully write 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,240 a textbook, and that is an excellent book, if you're into textbooks. He 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,880 wrote the only textbook on addiction forensic medicine in 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,590 psychiatry. So he did actually write a book. He was a published author. 23 00:01:24,910 --> 00:01:28,630 It sold hundreds of copies. Because it's niche. 24 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:31,310 It's niche. I don't even think you would teach that in med school. You would 25 00:01:31,310 --> 00:01:35,030 teach that in, like, some very remote fellowship of 26 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:38,710 somebody who's going into, like, addiction forensic medicine, which is like a whole different 27 00:01:38,710 --> 00:01:42,430 beast entirely. So he did write a book, but he wanted to write a book 28 00:01:42,430 --> 00:01:45,870 that I think was called Betsy Ross's 29 00:01:45,870 --> 00:01:49,400 Drawing Room, something along those lines, because 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Betsy Ross's grandson popularized this 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,880 idea that she sewed the first American flag, which is 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,960 not true. Betsy Ross owned a brothel, 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,120 and that's where all of the men of 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,640 wherever, I guess it would have been the Constitutional Convention. So Philadelphia. 35 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,650 That's where all the men of Philadelphia went to get 36 00:02:14,210 --> 00:02:17,810 into all of their 1770 something 37 00:02:17,810 --> 00:02:21,450 trouble. And so she had technically had a 38 00:02:21,450 --> 00:02:25,250 pulse on what was happening in 39 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:29,730 politics, but not because she was some great, 40 00:02:29,890 --> 00:02:33,410 benevolent seamstress, because she 41 00:02:33,410 --> 00:02:37,210 owned the brothel where they all hung out. And so he 42 00:02:37,210 --> 00:02:40,650 wanted to write the book of the things that happened in the drawing room of 43 00:02:40,650 --> 00:02:44,490 her brothel. And someday, when I have creativity and time 44 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:48,330 and can do a little bit of research, I will finish that book 45 00:02:48,330 --> 00:02:52,130 for him. But he definitely started it and 46 00:02:52,290 --> 00:02:55,850 also was very. I mean, you wouldn't think that it would come up 47 00:02:55,850 --> 00:02:59,450 that often that her grandson made up the first American 48 00:02:59,450 --> 00:03:03,250 flag thing, but he managed to get it into conversation fairly regularly. 49 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:05,810 Anyway, that's the book I'm gonna finish for my dad someday. 50 00:03:07,090 --> 00:03:10,630 So this isn't instruction. This is a very 51 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:14,310 clear instruction for you if you have a brain 52 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:18,550 that works like mine. And when I say that works like mine, I 53 00:03:18,550 --> 00:03:22,070 mean a brain that will go out 54 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:26,390 looking for support when it's struggling. So, like, 55 00:03:26,870 --> 00:03:30,710 terrible anxiety. Reach out to a medical professional. Really 56 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:34,470 tough day. Reach out to my therapist, whatever, which is the thing you're supposed to 57 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:38,260 do, right? Something is not going well, or there's something that you don't 58 00:03:38,260 --> 00:03:41,220 understand or something that you can't explain. Ask for help. 59 00:03:42,020 --> 00:03:45,220 Ask for help, right? So you do 60 00:03:45,780 --> 00:03:49,300 the thing that you're supposed to do and you make the 61 00:03:49,300 --> 00:03:52,900 appointment, or you call the person, or you do the reach out, 62 00:03:53,060 --> 00:03:56,020 or you have that friend who says, anytime that happens, you call me and I'll 63 00:03:56,020 --> 00:03:59,740 talk you through it. And you do that. It's not instant gratification, like, you 64 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:03,210 don't get the immediate response either because you have to 65 00:04:03,210 --> 00:04:06,690 schedule something or the person's not available, or all of the very 66 00:04:06,690 --> 00:04:10,210 reasonable things that happen when you're navigating 67 00:04:10,290 --> 00:04:14,050 other people's schedules and lives. People are not expected to be available 68 00:04:14,050 --> 00:04:17,290 at your beck and call. And that is completely reasonable. The 69 00:04:17,290 --> 00:04:20,770 instruction is, keep the appointment. 70 00:04:21,570 --> 00:04:25,010 You called, you reached out, you scheduled 71 00:04:25,170 --> 00:04:28,910 whatever it was. Keep the appointment. Because 72 00:04:29,070 --> 00:04:32,350 if you're like me, you do that when you're under 73 00:04:33,070 --> 00:04:36,830 an intense situation, when things are really, really difficult, when 74 00:04:36,830 --> 00:04:40,630 you really, really need the support and help, and if there's a delay of a 75 00:04:40,630 --> 00:04:44,430 day or two by the time you get to that appointment, things might be better. 76 00:04:44,990 --> 00:04:48,590 Maybe not solved, but, like, the pressure was brought down, 77 00:04:48,590 --> 00:04:52,110 the intensity is brought down. It's not crushing, it's not dire 78 00:04:52,110 --> 00:04:55,550 anymore. You don't feel like you're gonna have a panic attack and 79 00:04:56,330 --> 00:05:00,170 rocket off to the moon anymore. It's really easy to think, okay, I'm better 80 00:05:00,170 --> 00:05:03,290 now. I don't need that appointment. I don't need to talk to somebody. I'm okay. 81 00:05:03,530 --> 00:05:06,970 Keep the appointment. Just because it's not 82 00:05:06,970 --> 00:05:10,770 happening now doesn't mean it's not going to happen again. I 83 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:13,850 don't say that to scare you. I don't say that to say that your anxiety 84 00:05:13,850 --> 00:05:16,410 is always going to come back or your stress is always going to come back 85 00:05:16,410 --> 00:05:19,850 and sure, there's a world where whatever problem 86 00:05:20,010 --> 00:05:23,710 solved itself and you don't have that anxiety anymore and you're fine. Sure, that's possible. 87 00:05:24,270 --> 00:05:27,830 But it's also possible that that's not true. And if it's not financially 88 00:05:27,830 --> 00:05:31,470 prohibitive, if it's not an undue hardship, 89 00:05:31,870 --> 00:05:35,470 keep the appointment. Just because 90 00:05:35,550 --> 00:05:39,270 things are better right this second doesn't mean that 91 00:05:39,270 --> 00:05:42,950 you don't need to establish a plan should they not 92 00:05:42,950 --> 00:05:46,630 be in the next however long. It doesn't 93 00:05:46,630 --> 00:05:50,230 mean that you don't need to develop that support system or 94 00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:53,710 use that support system at another time in 95 00:05:53,950 --> 00:05:57,630 the future. It doesn't mean that they're gonna stay 96 00:05:57,630 --> 00:06:01,310 better. Me, I tend to really struggle on the weekends 97 00:06:01,310 --> 00:06:04,950 with everything that's happening in life right now. During the week, I'm great because I'm 98 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:08,790 working the whole time. I'm really goal directed. I'm super 99 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:12,430 involved with a bunch of things. I'm constantly 100 00:06:12,430 --> 00:06:16,150 answering questions. I'm doing things for myself, for my 101 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:19,070 family. Like I'm busy the whole time. I don't have time to process 102 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:23,330 anything outside of what is immediately in front of me. And that is 103 00:06:23,890 --> 00:06:27,730 my preferred state of being. That 104 00:06:27,730 --> 00:06:31,450 is what works best for me. But man, the second it 105 00:06:31,450 --> 00:06:35,090 hits, like Friday night and the intensity, the need to get things 106 00:06:35,090 --> 00:06:38,810 done right now, releases or lessons and we go 107 00:06:38,810 --> 00:06:42,290 into Saturday. And Saturday can be a day where I get a whole bunch done, 108 00:06:42,290 --> 00:06:46,090 or it can be a day where I get nothing done. And it's 109 00:06:46,090 --> 00:06:49,650 a little harder to push myself to get things done because 110 00:06:50,290 --> 00:06:54,090 there's nobody on the other side of the computer screen waiting for the 111 00:06:54,090 --> 00:06:57,730 things that I'm putting out. That's when my brain starts to play tricks on me. 112 00:06:57,890 --> 00:07:01,650 That's when I start to feel really bad. Not always, 113 00:07:01,650 --> 00:07:05,330 but that's when I'm more likely to feel really bad. 114 00:07:05,330 --> 00:07:08,930 Which means it's also when I'm more likely to reach out for help or 115 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:13,250 try to find a resource. But things don't always happen immediately, especially 116 00:07:13,250 --> 00:07:16,850 if it's on a Friday night or a Saturday. Realistically, Monday is going to be 117 00:07:16,850 --> 00:07:19,770 the earliest that somebody. Unless you're talking about a friend. But if you're talking about 118 00:07:19,770 --> 00:07:23,450 professionals, Monday's the earliest that somebody's going to intervene, unless 119 00:07:23,450 --> 00:07:26,690 it's an emergency, in which case, please go to the emergency room. In some cases 120 00:07:26,690 --> 00:07:29,770 it might be Tuesday, it might be Wednesday, it could be longer. And so that's 121 00:07:29,770 --> 00:07:33,250 a lot of time to get back into my routine and 122 00:07:33,330 --> 00:07:37,010 to feel more in control of things. Because the routine is winning or the 123 00:07:37,010 --> 00:07:40,820 routine is doing what the routine is supposed to do. And then you get to 124 00:07:40,820 --> 00:07:44,620 Wednesday and think, it's probably fine. I think things are fine, 125 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:48,140 it's probably okay. And it's really easy to say, I probably don't need to go 126 00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:51,620 talk to anybody. I'm okay. Keep the appointment. 127 00:07:52,020 --> 00:07:55,820 These things can be roller coasters. And it is really easy 128 00:07:55,820 --> 00:07:59,580 to feel very, very secure when you're at the top and then you 129 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:03,220 hit a dip and all of a sudden it's like, I'm falling. Because it's a 130 00:08:03,220 --> 00:08:06,820 roller coaster. And that's what happens. Keep the appointment. 131 00:08:06,980 --> 00:08:10,820 Do yourself the favor of building a support system, even 132 00:08:10,820 --> 00:08:14,420 if you don't need it immediately, even if you only go 133 00:08:14,420 --> 00:08:18,180 one time, even if you think you're okay for a while 134 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:21,300 and then find out three months later you're not. You already established 135 00:08:22,020 --> 00:08:25,780 you can go back, it's there. And then you might find out that 136 00:08:25,780 --> 00:08:29,500 you went to the first one and it was great. And now you 137 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:32,020 just need to schedule a follow up. And you're not sure when the follow up 138 00:08:32,020 --> 00:08:35,590 is or when you should schedule a follow up, but in the next couple of 139 00:08:35,590 --> 00:08:39,150 days, there's a thing, and that thing racks you with anxiety and 140 00:08:39,150 --> 00:08:42,030 oh, I need that follow up. I'm gonna go schedule that follow up. But you've 141 00:08:42,030 --> 00:08:45,350 already established the support system. Keep 142 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:50,150 the appointment. Do not let your brain tell 143 00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:53,950 you that a 24 hour improvement is 144 00:08:53,950 --> 00:08:57,790 enough to skip out on building the 145 00:08:57,790 --> 00:09:01,590 things that you need. A 24 hour improvement could turn into a 6 146 00:09:01,590 --> 00:09:05,190 month improvement real quick. And that's amazing. And if that's the case, awesome. I'm so 147 00:09:05,190 --> 00:09:08,850 happy for you, so proud of. But that's not the way it always works. And 148 00:09:08,850 --> 00:09:12,290 you don't want to find out that you missed out on having 149 00:09:12,850 --> 00:09:16,570 the support system that you needed because you 150 00:09:16,570 --> 00:09:20,330 thought that things were fine when your brain 151 00:09:20,330 --> 00:09:24,170 and body were just not screaming at you at that moment. Keep the 152 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:24,770 appointment. 153 00:09:28,130 --> 00:09:31,850 And now we'll go to Allison, who has this week's 154 00:09:31,850 --> 00:09:35,620 small talk. All right, we have a small talk from Marcus 155 00:09:35,620 --> 00:09:39,460 in Chicago. Hey, Lauren, I have a confession that feels ridiculous 156 00:09:39,460 --> 00:09:42,420 to even type. I canceled plans last Saturday 157 00:09:43,060 --> 00:09:46,620 and then had the best day I've had in months. I cleaned my 158 00:09:46,620 --> 00:09:50,260 apartment, made soup, watched a documentary about bridges. 159 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:54,220 I was so happy. And then the guilt hit 160 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:57,780 because I canceled on people I like, people who matter to me. And I 161 00:09:57,780 --> 00:10:01,320 felt like I should have been miserable to deserve the 162 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,920 pass. So my question is, how do you stop feeling guilty 163 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,440 for needing to recharge? I can't figure out if I'M an introvert 164 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,360 who married an extrovert lifestyle or if I'm just someone 165 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,080 who needs to renegotiate how I spend my weekends. Either way, the guilt 166 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,840 thing is exhausting. So a couple of things. Send me the documentary 167 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,600 on bridges I would like to watch. It sounds like 100% like the 168 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,150 type of content that I live for, so just send it my way. 169 00:10:27,310 --> 00:10:30,830 Second off, like, did you hurt somebody? Did you harm somebody 170 00:10:31,070 --> 00:10:34,670 in the process of self caring? Was somebody mad at you 171 00:10:34,670 --> 00:10:37,870 because you missed something very important? Was there 172 00:10:38,670 --> 00:10:42,389 some level of expectation there outside of we 173 00:10:42,389 --> 00:10:45,630 would like you to come to this thing that you have not communicated because 174 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:49,910 I don't know about you. But in my opinion, the best plan is a 175 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:53,700 canceled plan. There is no better plan to spend 176 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:57,420 time with people than a canceled plan. And I say that 177 00:10:57,420 --> 00:11:00,020 about things I really want to do because 178 00:11:00,740 --> 00:11:04,500 logistics, even ones that you're excited about, are 179 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:08,180 emotional labor. And they're hard. Transitioning from one place to another, 180 00:11:08,980 --> 00:11:12,780 even if you're excited to do it, is hard. You don't have 181 00:11:12,780 --> 00:11:16,500 to do hard things just because you think you should. We can do hard 182 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:20,310 things. We don't always have to. You had what sounds like a great day 183 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:24,550 that you needed that made you feel like you were put back 184 00:11:24,550 --> 00:11:27,590 together, that nobody is yelling at you about. 185 00:11:28,150 --> 00:11:30,790 Sounds to me like you have the kind of friends that you could be like, 186 00:11:31,670 --> 00:11:35,470 yeah, sorry that I didn't come, but I didn't want to. And they would be 187 00:11:35,470 --> 00:11:39,270 like, I get that. I get that. And those are the kind of friends that 188 00:11:39,270 --> 00:11:42,550 introverts need. The friends who will push you 189 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:46,770 when your social battery can handle it and who will give you space when your 190 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:50,010 social battery cannot. And that is the best kind of friend. 191 00:11:50,730 --> 00:11:54,530 So how do you stop feeling guilty? I don't know. Guilt is 192 00:11:54,530 --> 00:11:57,970 emotional labor that you're doing for someone else. Usually someone who hasn't asked you to 193 00:11:57,970 --> 00:12:01,210 do it. I've gotten better at it. I'm still not great at it. There's still 194 00:12:01,210 --> 00:12:04,810 an aspect of the guilt that. But I think that's because I'm Jewish. 195 00:12:04,810 --> 00:12:08,570 That's pathological. That's not going anywhere. We're born with it. It's like a. 196 00:12:09,130 --> 00:12:12,740 You know, some people get trust funds, we get guilt. It's different. 197 00:12:13,300 --> 00:12:17,140 It's the same, but different. And so like, how do you 198 00:12:17,140 --> 00:12:20,860 get rid of it? That part I'm not sure about. But should you 199 00:12:20,860 --> 00:12:24,420 feel it? No. You didn't hurt anybody. You certainly didn't intentionally hurt 200 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:27,979 anybody. There was no harm caused to anybody. Your house is 201 00:12:27,979 --> 00:12:31,740 cleaner you feel more centered. You had a great day that you 202 00:12:31,740 --> 00:12:35,460 really enjoyed and you didn't have to put on pants. That sounds like a 203 00:12:35,460 --> 00:12:38,540 global win. And if the only thing I will say is if you did it 204 00:12:38,540 --> 00:12:41,900 while wearing pants when you didn't have to, that's a little bit of a fail. 205 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:45,710 You should not have been wearing pants. Pants are outside clothes. Unless you have, 206 00:12:45,710 --> 00:12:49,190 like, lots of other people who live in your house, then, okay, I'm sorry, 207 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:53,030 pants. But if it was just you in the house all day, that's the 208 00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:56,270 only thing you might have done wrong. Other than that it sounds like you had 209 00:12:56,270 --> 00:13:00,110 a great day and anybody who loves you will support you in having that 210 00:13:00,110 --> 00:13:03,830 great day. And nothing earth shattering happened 211 00:13:03,830 --> 00:13:07,390 without you. And there will be more opportunities to spend time with those people. 212 00:13:07,710 --> 00:13:10,790 And you could make one right now if you feel that guilty about missing that 213 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:14,550 time with that person. But otherwise, go watch bridge 214 00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:18,350 documentaries without pants on. That sounds great. Thanks for being here, 215 00:13:18,350 --> 00:13:19,910 guys. Have a good day. Love you, Mina. 216 00:13:23,510 --> 00:13:27,190 I basically parodied Baz Luhrmann as if I was Bill Clinton. 217 00:13:27,510 --> 00:13:31,190 It was like, follow your dreams, but leave before 218 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:34,830 your wife has time to run for Senate. Like, I can't believe people weren't more 219 00:13:34,830 --> 00:13:38,590 impressed with how, like, deeply witty and intelligent I was at 220 00:13:38,590 --> 00:13:42,200 13 years old. That was hilarious. But anyway, that was me at 221 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,840 13. I've always been like this.