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Speaker BToday, we're going to take a look at issue 48 of the Intersect newsletter.
Speaker BThis one's from April 8, 2025, and it was curated by Jurgen Berkessel.
Speaker BSo we're really going to be focusing on his commentary on the articles.
Speaker AYeah, it's like getting a direct line to his thoughts on these fascinating intersections of art and tech.
Speaker AAnd it's all laid out in the newsletter, right?
Speaker BIssue 48 is themed Imagination to Reality.
Speaker BWhen Art Leads, Technology Follows.
Speaker BIt explores how artistic visions in different fields often end up paving the way for actual technological advancements.
Speaker ASo where does Jurgen kick things off?
Speaker BWell, he starts by looking at the potential origins of space exploration.
Speaker BHe focuses on an article from Hacker Noon about how science fiction has deeply influenced how we think about space travel.
Speaker AIt's fascinating to think about writers like Verne, Clark, Heinlein, Asimov.
Speaker AI mean, they weren't just writing stories.
Speaker AThey were kind of shaping our expectations of what space travel could be.
Speaker AThink about a trip to the moon.
Speaker AStarship Troopers.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BJurgen's point is that they weren't just entertaining us.
Speaker BThey were planting those seeds for our understanding and expectation of space travel.
Speaker BAnd it goes beyond space travel, too.
Speaker BHe talks about how things like microscopic voyages, you know, like in Fantastic Voyage and underwater cities, were also first imagined by artists.
Speaker BIt's that same theme of artists and writers imagining things and then scientists and engineers actually trying to build what they envisioned.
Speaker AIt really makes you think differently about how progress happens.
Speaker BIt does.
Speaker AJurgen actually quotes the Hacker Noon article.
Speaker AThe quote is, what's important to take away, though, is that humans have always dreamed of traveling through the stars.
Speaker AAnd then he asks, were we ever really independently chasing the stars, or were we just trying to catch up to what artists had already imagined for us?
Speaker BThat's a good question.
Speaker AIt really is.
Speaker ASo what's next?
Speaker BNext, Jurgen looks at the world of music.
Speaker BHe brings up a report from CMU about an open letter from hundreds of UK orchestral musicians to the Culture Minister Chris Bryant about fair pay for musicians when their music is streamed.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd his commentary focuses on how, while streaming is the current context, the issue itself is more about copyright law and who gets paid when music is played on platforms like Spotify and Apple Music.
Speaker BIt's not really about the technology of streaming itself.
Speaker ASo it's about the structure beneath it.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BHe explains that in the uk, musicians who aren't considered featured artists often don't get any money from these streaming platforms unless they've made special deals.
Speaker BAnd this frequently happens to orchestral and session musicians.
Speaker BIt's a legal structure that seems to favor some types of creative contribution over others.
Speaker AYeah, that's a big question.
Speaker AIn the newsletter, they actually quote the open letter from the musicians.
Speaker AIt says, if musicians create something someone can profit from, then surely we should be paid fairly for that in every case.
Speaker AAnd then Jurgen asks this really fundamental question.
Speaker AHe says, why is there a system that doesn't pay all the musicians who contribute to a piece of music?
Speaker AIt makes you think about how we value different roles in the creative process.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker AOkay, so moving on.
Speaker AWhat does Jurgen look at next?
Speaker BHe looks at the visual arts.
Speaker BThere's this KQED report about Oakland First Fridays using an AI generated flyer for promotion.
Speaker AReally?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd apparently they did it because of budget limitations.
Speaker BNow, Jurgen actually runs a First Fridays event himself, and he mentions that his organization chooses not to use AI for their materials.
Speaker AInteresting.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BHis commentary says that they believe human made art helps to set a certain tone for the event.
Speaker BBut he also recognizes that nonprofits often face tough financial constraints.
Speaker BSo he distinguishes between using AI for practical reasons like marketing versus presenting AI creations as if they were artwork.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo the purpose is important.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BThe newsletter includes a question the event organizers asked.
Speaker BWhat's better?
Speaker BHaving your event not get noticed because you can't afford marketing?
Speaker BOr because it takes too long to hire graphic designers?
Speaker BOr using new technologies to promote things effectively?
Speaker BJurgen then wonders if maybe the real issue isn't so much about AI itself, but more about artists feeling like their value isn't being recognized or that they're being excluded from these opportunities.
Speaker AThat's an interesting take.
Speaker AWhat's up next in the newsletter?
Speaker BNext up is a feature from demilked.
Speaker BIt's called 25 Instagram vs Reality Photos.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BThis article basically shows behind the scenes looks at influencer travel posts, mostly from TikTok creators like RomerProductions.
Speaker BIt reveals how much work goes into creating those seemingly spontaneous and serene travel photos.
Speaker BIt's often very staged, even in crowded locations.
Speaker AOh, wow.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BJurgen actually shares some of his own experiences with this.
Speaker BHe talks about trying to get those perfect, peaceful travel shots while surrounded by tons of other tourists.
Speaker BHe gets the desire to present a place as if you've discovered it, untouched and special, even when it's not really like that.
Speaker AIt's that curated version of reality.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd he makes an interesting comparison to his work as a product photographer.
Speaker BIn New York City.
Speaker BHe talks about how those polished studio shots you see in ads often hide the reality of the set.
Speaker BAll the cables, lights, reflectors, you know.
Speaker BSo in a way, he's saying that photography has always been about constructing an idealized image.
Speaker AThat's a good point.
Speaker BIt is.
Speaker BAnd then Jurgen asks, are these perfect photos we see online really something people aspire to?
Speaker BOr are they more like a curated form of nostalgia, longing for an idealized past that never really existed?
Speaker BIt makes you think about why we create and consume this kind of content.
Speaker AThat's a really good question.
Speaker AWhat does Jurgen talk about next?
Speaker BNext he talks about an exhibition at the Je de Paume in Paris.
Speaker BIt's called Le Monde Salon Lye, which means the World According to AI.
Speaker BIt's a survey of works by artists who use AI in their practice.
Speaker BJurgen points out that this exhibition is different because it goes beyond just showcasing the individual tech wizard artist.
Speaker BInstead, it presents a whole field of art, artistic exploration.
Speaker BThe works include generative art, analytical AI applications, conversational interfaces, even works about surveillance and the environmental impact of AI.
Speaker BIt's a pretty wide range.
Speaker AIt sounds like it, yeah.
Speaker BJurgen also highlights how this exhibition shows a shift in how we're thinking about AI in art.
Speaker BIt's not just a cool new tool or mysterious add on anymore.
Speaker BIt's becoming a medium in its own right, something artists can actively shape and question.
Speaker BHe mentions artists like Trevor Paglen and Hito Style, who are known for their critical approach to technology.
Speaker ASo it's about moving past the novelty of it.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BThe curator of the exhibition, Antonio Somini, is quoted as saying, it is often through artistic works that we become more aware of the impacts and implications of AI.
Speaker BAnd Jurgen ends by wondering if we're finally starting to see AI art more for its artistic approach and less for the technological wizardry.
Speaker AThat would be interesting development.
Speaker AWhat else does Jurgen cover in this issue?
Speaker BHe also talks about an interview in My Modern Met with a UK based digital artist named Carl Roberts.
Speaker BRoberts talks about his frustration with people mistaking his handcrafted, surreal digital photography for AI generated art.
Speaker AWow, that must be frustrating.
Speaker BIt is.
Speaker BJurgen really empathizes with Roberts.
Speaker BHe remembers a time before AI when artists would spend hours and hours creating these kinds of surreal and hyper realistic images using traditional photography, collage and manual editing in Photoshop.
Speaker BYou know, real locations, real props, weeks of detailed work, and now people just assume it's AI.
Speaker AI can see how that would be disheartening.
Speaker BDefinitely.
Speaker BThe article quotes Robert saying, everything you see in my pictures is a real photograph.
Speaker BKnowing that process can now be trivialized with AI is really heartbreaking, to be honest.
Speaker BAnd Jurgen then asks what signals artists can use or reclaim to make sure that human artistry is still valued in the digital world.
Speaker AThat's a big question for artists right now.
Speaker BIt is.
Speaker AOkay, so what's the last thing Jurgen discusses in this issue?
Speaker BThe last thing is a piece from Fast Company about Google's installation at Saloni del Mobile in Milan.
Speaker BIt's called Making the Invisible Visible.
Speaker BThey worked with artist Lachlan Turdsan, and it uses laser light to create a tactile art experience.
Speaker BIt reacts to touch like fabric.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BJurgen found it interesting that a big tech company like Google was trying to present technology as something emotional and human through this installation.
Speaker BHe acknowledges that art is abstract, but he wonders about the authenticity when a corporation does something like this.
Speaker BIs it genuine artistic expression or is it just branding?
Speaker AThat's a good question.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThe newsletter quotes Ivy Ross, Google's head of device design, saying, we have to get to a place where we're not competing with technology, but we're interacting with it, moving modern life forward.
Speaker BAnd Jurgen ends by asking if technology can really be quiet, soft and generous, or if that's just a marketing narrative.
Speaker AIt's a question worth considering.
Speaker BIt is.
Speaker AWell, that brings us to the end of our look at Jurgen Berkessel's commentary in issue 48 of the Intersect.
Speaker AWe hope this has given you some food for thought about the ever evolving relationship between art and tech.
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