1 00:00:00,270 --> 00:00:04,110 Brittney Sherman: The statements made in this podcast are meant to be taken 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:09,930 strictly as opinion and not as statements of fact or evidence in the case as 3 00:00:09,930 --> 00:00:17,660 discussed this episode of Scarlet contains graphic details about decomposing 4 00:00:17,660 --> 00:00:19,880 bodies and violence against children. 5 00:00:19,970 --> 00:00:22,070 Listener discretion is advised. 6 00:00:47,940 --> 00:00:48,980 Sonia Meza-Leon: Hey podcasters 7 00:00:49,589 --> 00:00:53,010 Brittney Sherman: welcome to the new true crime podcast. 8 00:00:53,070 --> 00:00:54,059 Scarlet. 9 00:00:54,510 --> 00:01:00,180 Sonia Meza-Leon: So today Bernice Sherman and Sonia, Emilio are talking 10 00:01:00,180 --> 00:01:02,160 about the case of the Anthony saga. 11 00:01:02,849 --> 00:01:03,059 There's 12 00:01:03,059 --> 00:01:04,500 Brittney Sherman: been so much covered about this. 13 00:01:04,679 --> 00:01:08,670 Well, it's what 10, 11 years old, 2008 is when it originally 14 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:10,259 happens when Kaylee went missing, 15 00:01:10,470 --> 00:01:12,780 Sonia Meza-Leon: it feels like it was so much earlier than that. 16 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:17,340 I feel like this was like a 1990 story that happened, but you're right. 17 00:01:17,340 --> 00:01:21,390 It wasn't actually that long ago that would've put me just moving to wait. 18 00:01:21,390 --> 00:01:22,740 Now I would've been eight. 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,090 No, that was when I moved to LA. 20 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,360 I would have been here in LA for 10 years, which is why I was not paying 21 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,030 attention other than the fact that it happened in Orlando, which is 22 00:01:30,030 --> 00:01:34,110 my hometown and, um, and all sorts of crazy shit happens in Orlando. 23 00:01:34,110 --> 00:01:34,780 In Florida. 24 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,500 There's definitely an underbelly to Orlando college life there. 25 00:01:38,385 --> 00:01:39,855 You know, and that's where UCF is. 26 00:01:39,855 --> 00:01:40,725 That's where UCF is. 27 00:01:40,725 --> 00:01:42,135 It's bigger, bigger school now. 28 00:01:42,135 --> 00:01:44,655 And I went there with a much smaller, I mean, everything was like dirt, 29 00:01:44,655 --> 00:01:46,125 parking, lots, dirt, everything. 30 00:01:46,125 --> 00:01:46,965 It was awful. 31 00:01:47,175 --> 00:01:50,145 Um, it was a small school, but now, I mean, you know, obviously they're 32 00:01:50,145 --> 00:01:53,565 doing well with their football team, but it's still the same champions. 33 00:01:53,595 --> 00:01:54,045 Yeah. 34 00:01:54,045 --> 00:01:55,665 I don't know what it is about the south. 35 00:01:55,665 --> 00:01:58,335 And just being in a place where it's hot in general, people get really 36 00:01:58,335 --> 00:02:00,975 sweaty and then they start doing a lot of drugs and they started drinking 37 00:02:01,245 --> 00:02:02,835 and it just all goes downhill. 38 00:02:02,835 --> 00:02:05,325 From there, you see so many weird things happen. 39 00:02:05,865 --> 00:02:06,375 I don't know what 40 00:02:06,375 --> 00:02:06,615 Brittney Sherman: it is. 41 00:02:06,615 --> 00:02:09,375 The he and come that will mess with people. 42 00:02:09,375 --> 00:02:11,115 I mean, dehydration does crazy things to people. 43 00:02:11,895 --> 00:02:12,795 I don't want to think. 44 00:02:13,125 --> 00:02:14,745 I don't think Casey Anthony though. 45 00:02:14,745 --> 00:02:19,365 I don't think what happened to her is a result of the drugs 46 00:02:19,395 --> 00:02:20,535 and alcohol and the party. 47 00:02:20,595 --> 00:02:21,965 I think she's telling you waiting. 48 00:02:21,965 --> 00:02:27,075 I think that this was if not completely planned out and of course we'll get 49 00:02:27,075 --> 00:02:28,485 to all the theories and everything. 50 00:02:29,085 --> 00:02:31,995 This wasn't a, I don't think this was a. 51 00:02:33,045 --> 00:02:34,305 Drunken mistake. 52 00:02:34,424 --> 00:02:34,665 I don't 53 00:02:34,665 --> 00:02:37,394 Sonia Meza-Leon: think this was a whim that happened. 54 00:02:37,424 --> 00:02:38,085 I agree. 55 00:02:38,114 --> 00:02:44,325 I, well, I don't, I not necessarily a whim being, it was unplanned, 56 00:02:44,325 --> 00:02:46,965 but I don't, I'm not even sure if it wasn't just an accident. 57 00:02:47,355 --> 00:02:51,465 Um, but there are so many weird, weird pieces to this and, and all you can 58 00:02:51,465 --> 00:02:54,795 think of is if it was, if she wasn't guilty, why did she lie about it? 59 00:02:55,035 --> 00:02:56,325 You know, I mean, the lies 60 00:02:56,325 --> 00:02:59,025 Brittney Sherman: so many lives and bursts so well, and 61 00:02:59,025 --> 00:03:02,805 Sonia Meza-Leon: they never stopped well, if you had an accident, which is what 62 00:03:02,805 --> 00:03:07,155 it appears may have happened, one of the theories anyway, you know, what's wrong 63 00:03:07,155 --> 00:03:10,334 just saying it was an accident, unless you were doing something in the moment 64 00:03:10,334 --> 00:03:14,385 that the accident happened, that you could get in trouble for which, you know, that 65 00:03:14,385 --> 00:03:18,245 kind of was for emo, you know, what is the point in lying and just saying she 66 00:03:18,315 --> 00:03:21,435 Brittney Sherman: drowned well, yeah, obviously that is kind 67 00:03:21,435 --> 00:03:23,415 of her biggest defense theory. 68 00:03:23,505 --> 00:03:26,805 Her family's defense more or less. 69 00:03:27,285 --> 00:03:29,805 Uh, but, okay, so, so let's back up a little. 70 00:03:31,215 --> 00:03:36,195 This was obviously huge news that happened in 2008, went to trial. 71 00:03:36,225 --> 00:03:42,345 It really officially in 2011, uh, kindly went missing and 72 00:03:42,674 --> 00:03:44,055 it was, it was everywhere. 73 00:03:44,115 --> 00:03:49,125 It was the trial of the century, 15 years after OJ. 74 00:03:49,125 --> 00:03:54,674 So pretty fast how we had two of those and then 15 years, uh, I mean, I absolutely 75 00:03:54,674 --> 00:03:57,045 hated this, but I remember it so vivid. 76 00:03:57,375 --> 00:03:58,875 She had the name all around. 77 00:03:58,905 --> 00:03:59,505 Thanks, Nancy. 78 00:03:59,505 --> 00:04:01,125 Grease up the top mom. 79 00:04:01,365 --> 00:04:02,325 Like that was just her. 80 00:04:02,595 --> 00:04:03,555 She called the top mom. 81 00:04:03,555 --> 00:04:04,245 I don't remember. 82 00:04:04,274 --> 00:04:07,334 I don't know because Nancy, grace came up with it and Nancy, grace loves 83 00:04:07,334 --> 00:04:07,905 Sonia Meza-Leon: headlines. 84 00:04:07,965 --> 00:04:11,144 She led us to, yeah, she's young a lot. 85 00:04:11,215 --> 00:04:12,885 And that was most of what I heard about it. 86 00:04:12,925 --> 00:04:17,175 My mom was, I did not remember this until just recently when I talked to her 87 00:04:17,175 --> 00:04:18,644 about it, but she said she watched this. 88 00:04:19,515 --> 00:04:20,864 Um, my mom's 85 now and 89 00:04:20,864 --> 00:04:21,945 Brittney Sherman: she watched this case. 90 00:04:22,215 --> 00:04:25,515 Um, every minute of it, she said, and it was on the local cable network. 91 00:04:25,525 --> 00:04:27,614 So she got up and everyday she watched the whole 92 00:04:27,614 --> 00:04:31,034 Sonia Meza-Leon: trial and, um, you know, it was just, it was really close to home 93 00:04:31,034 --> 00:04:32,445 because I have people who are close to it. 94 00:04:32,445 --> 00:04:35,594 And I knew exactly the areas where they were talking about where they live, 95 00:04:35,775 --> 00:04:38,655 where they found the child's body. 96 00:04:38,864 --> 00:04:41,054 Um, it was really close to home. 97 00:04:41,054 --> 00:04:45,104 And, um, I think that's where we back up and we kind of go back to the beginning at 98 00:04:45,104 --> 00:04:48,705 least of how this first came to fruition. 99 00:04:48,974 --> 00:04:53,294 So we've got our timeline, June 15th, 2008. 100 00:04:53,534 --> 00:04:57,405 Um, Caylee Anthony was last seen with her great-grandfather and an assistant. 101 00:04:57,765 --> 00:05:00,674 Apparently that is the last day that anyone saw Kaley 102 00:05:00,674 --> 00:05:02,505 alive outside of the immediate 103 00:05:02,505 --> 00:05:05,385 Brittney Sherman: family, her Kaylee's mom. 104 00:05:05,385 --> 00:05:06,375 Casey, of course. 105 00:05:06,465 --> 00:05:09,195 And Casey's grandparents or Casey's parents. 106 00:05:09,525 --> 00:05:12,434 Keely's grandparents saw her alive the next morning or, sorry. 107 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:14,250 So on the 16th. 108 00:05:14,580 --> 00:05:14,970 Sonia Meza-Leon: Okay. 109 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,970 On June 6th, especially the date that she went and got it. 110 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,680 And I think there's a little distraught you're right. 111 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,590 And there's a little discrepancy there on when I get Sydney, we 112 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,150 know what time she lasts are. 113 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,190 And then the father clearly, or a Casey's father, he had a different 114 00:05:29,190 --> 00:05:32,580 remembrance, whether it was 12 o'clock in the afternoon or two o'clock 115 00:05:32,580 --> 00:05:34,050 in the afternoon, whatever it was. 116 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:36,210 Um, and then 117 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:38,670 Brittney Sherman: all of a sudden, I think Casey and Kaylee 118 00:05:38,670 --> 00:05:40,050 go missing, I'm not mistaken. 119 00:05:40,050 --> 00:05:40,440 Correct. 120 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,520 Kind of. 121 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,340 So this is already aware. 122 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:50,250 It just, it gets insane because you're at the timeline starts where Casey 123 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:53,790 wakes up mid morning, late morning. 124 00:05:54,660 --> 00:05:58,740 So she sees her dad around 12, 12 30, something like that, and is taking 125 00:05:58,740 --> 00:06:01,710 Kaylee to daycare so she can go to work. 126 00:06:01,710 --> 00:06:05,640 So Casey can go to work at universal studios, which we'll talk about later. 127 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,450 So George claims that he sees them leaving the house. 128 00:06:15,870 --> 00:06:21,870 And that is roughly the last time that Kaylee is seen alive. 129 00:06:21,930 --> 00:06:24,900 So this is where the timeline already starts to get messed up. 130 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,180 Casey says she's going to work. 131 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:32,250 Cell phone pings essentially say that she either one never left the 132 00:06:32,250 --> 00:06:37,170 house or two left the house, but stayed in the neighborhood in 2008. 133 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:41,280 So cell phone identification, location, isn't exactly where it is 134 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:42,480 now, but it was still pretty good. 135 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,390 It could hone in pretty specifically where she was. 136 00:06:45,390 --> 00:06:50,100 So if he wasn't at the Anthony home, she was pretty close to it. 137 00:06:51,060 --> 00:06:53,010 And George is saying that she left. 138 00:06:53,010 --> 00:06:53,670 So that. 139 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:55,740 What we essentially have to go 140 00:06:55,740 --> 00:06:56,040 Sonia Meza-Leon: on. 141 00:06:56,850 --> 00:07:00,420 Did she go, were there any other areas around her home where she 142 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:02,340 would have gone besides her own home? 143 00:07:02,370 --> 00:07:05,850 Like, would she have gone to a neighbors or did someone live by them? 144 00:07:06,060 --> 00:07:08,400 Brittney Sherman: So there was some sort of relationship with the neighbors. 145 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,770 I don't know for sure that they were close enough, that Casey would have actually 146 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,650 gone next door to visit with them. 147 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:24,930 They come up later in the story where they say that Casey very strangely approached 148 00:07:24,930 --> 00:07:30,690 them and asked to borrow a shovel, which they thought was very out of character. 149 00:07:30,690 --> 00:07:32,430 Why would Casey need a shovel? 150 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:35,940 I want you to just use a shovel, but the family had. 151 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:38,250 There are some weird things. 152 00:07:38,250 --> 00:07:43,200 The family had a history of burying pets in their yard. 153 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,980 So if a pet died, but I don't think a pet died. 154 00:07:46,980 --> 00:07:50,970 I don't have any record that there actually had any pets at that time. 155 00:07:51,690 --> 00:07:56,670 So if she did leave the house, if she did go to a neighbor's or if she just 156 00:07:56,670 --> 00:08:04,440 stayed in her car nearby, it's pretty evident that she didn't go to work what 157 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,040 she did with Tayley to be determined. 158 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,180 But we know that she came back home because there was 159 00:08:12,180 --> 00:08:13,500 activity on the family computer. 160 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:16,920 Sonia Meza-Leon: So was Kaylee's daycare near their home. 161 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:19,320 And within that perimeter of the cell phone, 162 00:08:20,875 --> 00:08:24,265 Brittney Sherman: I don't think so, but I don't actually know. 163 00:08:24,295 --> 00:08:24,745 Yeah. 164 00:08:24,865 --> 00:08:27,535 I took it as it was extra closer to universal where, 165 00:08:28,935 --> 00:08:30,115 where she doesn't actually 166 00:08:30,835 --> 00:08:31,375 Sonia Meza-Leon: got it. 167 00:08:31,645 --> 00:08:34,705 Well, that would make perfect sense that she's going there every day or not. 168 00:08:35,635 --> 00:08:36,505 Brittney Sherman: Okay. 169 00:08:36,985 --> 00:08:41,185 Sonia Meza-Leon: So we established that that's the last time anyone say 170 00:08:41,195 --> 00:08:47,635 they saw Caylee alive, um, a variety of things happen over the next month. 171 00:08:47,905 --> 00:08:52,585 Um, but what doesn't happen is nobody sees K uh, and I think that's pretty apparent. 172 00:08:52,585 --> 00:08:58,705 What it sounded to me was that Kaley Casey kept pushing her parents off 173 00:08:58,705 --> 00:09:02,485 because they kept wanting to see, um, their granddaughter and she kept 174 00:09:02,485 --> 00:09:03,715 saying, oh, we're here, we're there. 175 00:09:03,715 --> 00:09:05,005 She went on trips. 176 00:09:05,185 --> 00:09:05,485 We should 177 00:09:05,485 --> 00:09:09,475 Brittney Sherman: establish that Casey had lived at home up until 178 00:09:09,505 --> 00:09:14,965 real recently, and she spent a week with her new boyfriend and then she 179 00:09:14,965 --> 00:09:16,945 moved in with her best friend, Amy. 180 00:09:17,820 --> 00:09:23,580 So she moved Kaylee with her, which yes. 181 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:24,630 Okay. 182 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:30,630 Strange kind of, but the strangest part to me is, I guess I'm sure 183 00:09:30,660 --> 00:09:33,060 Casey at the time was 22 years old. 184 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,830 She wanted to move out on her own, whatever. 185 00:09:34,830 --> 00:09:40,350 I don't know what her reasons there were, but to your point about, no one 186 00:09:40,350 --> 00:09:42,540 had seen Kaylee we've talked about this. 187 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:49,410 I don't understand how for 31 days, no one raised the flag. 188 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:51,690 Where's this two year old child. 189 00:09:52,410 --> 00:09:55,380 Sonia Meza-Leon: Uh, well, I mean, that's, that's the weird part. 190 00:09:55,380 --> 00:09:58,950 And, and in that month as well, where was Casey? 191 00:09:58,950 --> 00:10:03,270 Because her mom said so on July 15th, next point in the 192 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:06,150 timeline is where Cindy calls. 193 00:10:06,150 --> 00:10:10,890 Casey's mom calls the police and says, um, my daughter is here. 194 00:10:10,890 --> 00:10:12,600 I want someone to come and arrest her. 195 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,590 She's still in the car. 196 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:14,700 She's stolen money. 197 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,680 Um, and the car smells like a dead. 198 00:10:17,505 --> 00:10:22,094 Thinking being the police of course, or you know, that inflames 199 00:10:22,094 --> 00:10:23,594 them, they get over there quickly. 200 00:10:23,954 --> 00:10:29,865 Um, and then that's where the conversation starts and this, this pickup of Casey. 201 00:10:29,954 --> 00:10:34,454 So right before that, it sounded like, and so you wonder, okay, Casey, obviously 202 00:10:34,454 --> 00:10:37,935 wasn't there the whole time she had walked in because her father had called 203 00:10:37,935 --> 00:10:41,295 her and said, whatever's happening, you know, gaming her, I'm giving her 204 00:10:41,295 --> 00:10:44,444 an ultimatum and said, you have to come and tell us what's really going on. 205 00:10:44,685 --> 00:10:46,545 And that was when she finally showed up there. 206 00:10:46,604 --> 00:10:50,025 Brittney Sherman: So yes, kind of a little more backstory behind that. 207 00:10:50,474 --> 00:10:56,625 Casey did all sorts of various suspicious things in the 31 days 208 00:10:56,655 --> 00:11:00,885 before the police were called, including stealing her parents' car. 209 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,320 Allowing it to run dead in the middle of the road, it was then towed. 210 00:11:07,890 --> 00:11:14,790 The tow yard reported one reported to the police to report that it had 211 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:17,460 a very strong odor coming from it. 212 00:11:17,970 --> 00:11:22,950 The police notified the family, the Anthony family, George and Cindy 213 00:11:23,070 --> 00:11:28,110 came and picked up the car and then actually call the police after to your 214 00:11:28,110 --> 00:11:32,420 point about George indicating, Hey, tell us what's going on, but called 215 00:11:32,420 --> 00:11:34,050 the police because she sold the car. 216 00:11:35,295 --> 00:11:38,265 Sonia Meza-Leon: So it wasn't that the car that she always drove. 217 00:11:38,595 --> 00:11:40,605 So what's always strange to me in this case. 218 00:11:40,605 --> 00:11:43,545 And, and I, I I'm like she stole the family car. 219 00:11:43,545 --> 00:11:47,324 She stole the car that she was driving, that they gave her permission to drive. 220 00:11:47,564 --> 00:11:49,395 And this is one of those situations where you've kind of 221 00:11:49,395 --> 00:11:51,105 22 year old girl living at home. 222 00:11:51,285 --> 00:11:53,564 Who's in under complete control of her parents. 223 00:11:53,865 --> 00:11:58,545 Um, you know, and sh they're essentially, you know, when she doesn't act in the 224 00:11:58,545 --> 00:12:01,875 way that they want, you know, they say she's still in the car versus 225 00:12:01,875 --> 00:12:04,005 just using it when things are normal. 226 00:12:04,305 --> 00:12:07,515 So I don't, did they not have another car? 227 00:12:07,515 --> 00:12:10,755 Because it sounded to me like that car was either she was using it or 228 00:12:10,755 --> 00:12:14,535 was assigned to her because then if we're saying, oh, it's the, we found a 229 00:12:14,535 --> 00:12:16,245 dead body in the smell of dead bodies. 230 00:12:17,835 --> 00:12:19,965 Why, why are they not more concerned because it 231 00:12:19,965 --> 00:12:20,715 Brittney Sherman: is their car? 232 00:12:20,745 --> 00:12:25,245 Well, in addition, I would think, I don't know if it was her car or not, but 233 00:12:25,425 --> 00:12:27,195 Kaylee's car seat was in the back seat. 234 00:12:27,314 --> 00:12:31,635 So it was certainly a car that if it wasn't Casey's car that wasn't 235 00:12:31,635 --> 00:12:34,515 assigned to her by the family, it was certainly one that was used 236 00:12:34,515 --> 00:12:36,135 frequently to transport Kaylee. 237 00:12:36,195 --> 00:12:36,645 Right. 238 00:12:37,155 --> 00:12:39,105 So I agree. 239 00:12:39,105 --> 00:12:44,985 It raises some weird questions, but I think if nothing else, it might be what 240 00:12:45,165 --> 00:12:50,805 possibly, why it was reported stolen is because Casey had been moved out. 241 00:12:50,805 --> 00:12:57,075 She wasn't living there and there was evidence of breaking back into the house 242 00:12:57,345 --> 00:13:01,035 and taking a gas can to fill up the car. 243 00:13:01,305 --> 00:13:06,315 So at the very least, it may have been employed just to get Casey's 244 00:13:06,315 --> 00:13:10,995 attention because I would highly suspect it wasn't Casey's car. 245 00:13:10,995 --> 00:13:15,135 It was probably a family car that was then towed. 246 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:19,230 And the family we're trying to get a hold of Casey and this 247 00:13:19,230 --> 00:13:20,220 was the best way to do it. 248 00:13:20,850 --> 00:13:21,480 Got it. 249 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:22,860 That's a suspicion. 250 00:13:23,610 --> 00:13:25,920 It seems like a logical option. 251 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:26,370 Got 252 00:13:26,370 --> 00:13:26,580 Sonia Meza-Leon: it. 253 00:13:26,939 --> 00:13:27,330 Okay. 254 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,220 So on July 15th, Cindy calls the police, the shit hits the fan, essentially. 255 00:13:32,430 --> 00:13:36,750 And they finally got Casey to in the house to a point where she supposed to 256 00:13:36,750 --> 00:13:38,330 answer the question, where have you been? 257 00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:41,790 Where's your, where's our granddaughter and what she finally breaks down and 258 00:13:41,790 --> 00:13:47,940 says, she's been kidnapped and she's fake crying or whatever she does that she 259 00:13:47,940 --> 00:13:50,970 magically tells a lie, which is pretty unbelievable in the scheme of things. 260 00:13:50,970 --> 00:13:54,900 And I think what we'll establish over the conversation is how 261 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:56,310 great a liar she actually was. 262 00:13:56,460 --> 00:14:01,290 She took people to the nth degree in her lies, um, you know, from having a 263 00:14:01,290 --> 00:14:04,650 job and walking them into the building and then getting to the end of the 264 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:08,460 corridor and saying, oh, I don't have a job or, oops, I didn't do this. 265 00:14:08,460 --> 00:14:10,020 Or, oh, I'm pregnant. 266 00:14:10,110 --> 00:14:11,330 And I'm seven months pregnant. 267 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,040 Previously to this Virgin. 268 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:16,440 Exactly. 269 00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:18,960 So let's establish the July 15th. 270 00:14:18,990 --> 00:14:20,940 This is when that moment happens. 271 00:14:21,090 --> 00:14:24,030 Cindy calls the police, uh, I'm not mistaken. 272 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:28,890 The police come, they have a conversation with Casey, even on the 9 1, 1 call. 273 00:14:28,890 --> 00:14:32,340 Cindy says the nine 11 operator wants to talk to Casey. 274 00:14:32,460 --> 00:14:37,800 Can you, Casey gets on the phone and flatly, you know, just is 275 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,100 able to convey this message. 276 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:39,450 Is that it? 277 00:14:39,450 --> 00:14:39,840 Yes. 278 00:14:39,870 --> 00:14:41,790 My daughter has been kidnapped. 279 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:42,900 I don't know. 280 00:14:43,170 --> 00:14:46,920 And you know, even, even in this first conversation, she just sounds really 281 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,830 flippant and annoyed that she even asked to talk to the police about it. 282 00:14:52,410 --> 00:14:54,480 Brittney Sherman: Casey, if you watch interviews with her, 283 00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:58,980 honestly, if you just see pictures of her, she has an altar effect. 284 00:14:58,980 --> 00:14:59,490 It's. 285 00:15:01,305 --> 00:15:03,704 I almost feel like the synapses aren't connecting 286 00:15:04,245 --> 00:15:06,584 Sonia Meza-Leon: and definitely got problems for sure. 287 00:15:06,584 --> 00:15:10,275 And I think even her mom and her dad will readily admit that, you know, and this may 288 00:15:10,275 --> 00:15:12,795 be part of trying to smooth things over. 289 00:15:12,855 --> 00:15:13,295 And I 290 00:15:13,305 --> 00:15:15,314 Brittney Sherman: don't want that to be misconstrued when I say that 291 00:15:15,375 --> 00:15:21,824 as that Casey's unintelligent quick little aside and backstory, Casey 292 00:15:21,824 --> 00:15:23,324 does not have a high school diploma. 293 00:15:23,324 --> 00:15:26,535 She reportedly was a pretty good high school student. 294 00:15:26,745 --> 00:15:28,125 She was expected to graduate. 295 00:15:28,185 --> 00:15:31,064 So weeks before graduation, Casey stopped attending high 296 00:15:31,064 --> 00:15:32,745 school, but never told anyone. 297 00:15:32,745 --> 00:15:36,824 So as graduation was approaching, Cindy started asking Casey, 298 00:15:37,214 --> 00:15:39,105 Hey, where's your and down. 299 00:15:39,165 --> 00:15:41,805 Why haven't I gotten any information from the school? 300 00:15:42,344 --> 00:15:47,385 And Casey lies to her says, oh, there was a mix up. 301 00:15:47,415 --> 00:15:48,704 It's all fine. 302 00:15:48,704 --> 00:15:49,574 Don't worry. 303 00:15:49,574 --> 00:15:53,025 It'll get taken care of the day of graduation just before graduation. 304 00:15:53,025 --> 00:15:58,005 Cindy finds out that Casey hasn't been attending and cannot graduate. 305 00:15:58,005 --> 00:15:59,145 She will not get a diploma. 306 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:02,610 But that doesn't deter Casey from going to graduation. 307 00:16:02,910 --> 00:16:05,820 No one else in the family knows only Cindy in case he now. 308 00:16:06,210 --> 00:16:11,700 So she goes to graduation, dressed in regular street, clothes walks across 309 00:16:11,700 --> 00:16:13,980 the stage, but doesn't get a diploma. 310 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,970 Sonia Meza-Leon: Well, I think the important part about this and what you 311 00:16:16,970 --> 00:16:22,340 just said is it's is, uh, oh, along the way, here with the lies that Casey tells 312 00:16:22,370 --> 00:16:28,430 even prior to Kaylee, but even through this missing moment, Sydney appears to be 313 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:33,560 a bit compliant on these conversations and she, she maybe she doesn't know about the 314 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:38,390 lie and what the lie entails, but when she finds out, she definitely, you know, falls 315 00:16:38,390 --> 00:16:41,630 in line and is supportive of Casey in. 316 00:16:41,690 --> 00:16:43,400 And you can see that in the. 317 00:16:44,205 --> 00:16:48,495 In the, in the recordings of Cindy talking to Casey when she's in 318 00:16:48,495 --> 00:16:52,875 jail and it's this really strange icon that contact that happens. 319 00:16:53,145 --> 00:16:56,745 And it's, you know, Casey saying, oh, come on mom. 320 00:16:56,745 --> 00:16:59,895 Like you're asking me things that you already know the answer to. 321 00:17:00,135 --> 00:17:02,835 And that was what I really felt that she was saying to her, with her, 322 00:17:03,015 --> 00:17:05,204 her facial, uh, you know, her eyes. 323 00:17:05,204 --> 00:17:08,145 I mean, everything was, you know, don't go down this road 324 00:17:08,145 --> 00:17:09,464 because you know what happened? 325 00:17:09,974 --> 00:17:10,964 Brittney Sherman: Getting back to the timeline. 326 00:17:10,964 --> 00:17:14,400 We know that July 15th, that's when the police were called July 327 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:21,405 16th, Casey is officially charged and leading up to her arrest. 328 00:17:22,155 --> 00:17:23,625 Moralized come out. 329 00:17:24,045 --> 00:17:27,825 She sees oh, official explanation for where Kaylee is. 330 00:17:28,095 --> 00:17:32,235 Is that the day that he went missing, Casey dropped her 331 00:17:32,235 --> 00:17:34,695 off at her regular Manny. 332 00:17:34,845 --> 00:17:40,125 Zanny the near Zenata Fernandez Gonzalez. 333 00:17:40,830 --> 00:17:44,040 So the police said, okay, well, cool. 334 00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:45,870 Take us to Danny's house. 335 00:17:46,199 --> 00:17:48,060 And well, of course Jenner. 336 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,889 So they go to Sandy's house. 337 00:17:50,490 --> 00:17:51,780 Sandy's not there. 338 00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:55,949 Kaylee says, well, I went back to pick her up after work and Sandy 339 00:17:55,949 --> 00:17:59,370 refused to give her to me right there. 340 00:17:59,530 --> 00:18:01,260 Don't you call the police immediately? 341 00:18:02,939 --> 00:18:04,139 Sonia Meza-Leon: You would think so. 342 00:18:04,169 --> 00:18:05,459 This is where I. 343 00:18:06,270 --> 00:18:11,430 Uh, I think that Casey mixes in truth and lies, there may have been 344 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:14,730 something happened not necessarily with denied because she says that 345 00:18:14,730 --> 00:18:15,840 they don't even know each other. 346 00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:18,840 But I think that this was the impression of something that 347 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:19,950 may have actually happened. 348 00:18:19,980 --> 00:18:25,020 So it was a night a really does or someone has this kid then, you know, why would 349 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:27,240 they w why, what would Casey be doing? 350 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:30,570 So I want to talk a little bit now that we know that Casey's 351 00:18:30,570 --> 00:18:31,890 in jail, she's been arrested. 352 00:18:32,190 --> 00:18:33,900 They started looking at Casey's past. 353 00:18:33,930 --> 00:18:37,440 They started looking at the history of the family, the relationship, obviously 354 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,570 it's got some interesting, um, God components to it, the way that the family 355 00:18:42,570 --> 00:18:45,780 works, George and his life evidently. 356 00:18:46,495 --> 00:18:52,554 I wanted to be, eh, from childhood one or two B a M a character at a theme park. 357 00:18:53,245 --> 00:18:55,044 Uh, he was a policeman for a while. 358 00:18:55,044 --> 00:18:57,084 And then he was actually a private security guard. 359 00:18:57,084 --> 00:19:01,405 After that, I feel like this family is from New York or upstate. 360 00:19:01,405 --> 00:19:01,854 I don't know. 361 00:19:01,854 --> 00:19:04,975 They seem like they seem like they're in Florida. 362 00:19:04,975 --> 00:19:06,715 There are a lot of new Yorkers, a lot of people from the 363 00:19:06,715 --> 00:19:07,705 Northeast moved down to Florida. 364 00:19:07,705 --> 00:19:09,955 So it wouldn't surprise me, but they definitely have an accent. 365 00:19:09,955 --> 00:19:10,854 That's not Florida. 366 00:19:11,695 --> 00:19:13,344 And so maybe that was there. 367 00:19:13,524 --> 00:19:15,354 So you've got George in his life. 368 00:19:15,445 --> 00:19:18,114 Uh, he was married prior to Cindy hanging 369 00:19:18,114 --> 00:19:18,655 Brittney Sherman: out in, back up. 370 00:19:18,685 --> 00:19:19,735 I'm still on this. 371 00:19:19,735 --> 00:19:22,764 He wanted to be a character at a theme 372 00:19:22,764 --> 00:19:23,125 Sonia Meza-Leon: park. 373 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,260 I, you know, at first glance, I think he's an alright looking guy. 374 00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:31,380 You know, he seems like he's got it together, but apparently he's 375 00:19:31,380 --> 00:19:33,210 had some challenges in his life. 376 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,790 Uh, his own father fired him from the family business. 377 00:19:36,330 --> 00:19:41,160 And so he then became a police officer that went fine. 378 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,450 Uh, and then evidently when you're secure, you have a lot of police officers or 379 00:19:45,450 --> 00:19:49,290 officers will transition into security work because as a police officer, you 380 00:19:49,290 --> 00:19:50,940 will automatically get paid a higher rate. 381 00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:53,430 So there there's that. 382 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:58,380 Um, and he was actually, I forget, or he was a security guard, but 383 00:19:58,380 --> 00:20:01,200 he was an actually, when this happened, he was a security guard 384 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,940 at some private, um, agency. 385 00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:06,210 So you've got George and then you've got Cindy, who's a nurse. 386 00:20:06,510 --> 00:20:11,040 And then what we really never know about very much is the brother Lee, right. 387 00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:15,300 Lee doesn't come up much at all, which is probably good for him. 388 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:19,230 I mean that, unless he's really not involved, you know, save them the trouble 389 00:20:19,230 --> 00:20:21,450 of having to live a life of Casey's. 390 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,050 Does my sister. 391 00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:30,270 Brittney Sherman: Possibly it's reported that Casey and Cindy were extremely close. 392 00:20:30,270 --> 00:20:33,629 They were best friends, mother and daughter, to be honest, I didn't even 393 00:20:33,629 --> 00:20:39,330 know that she had a brother until late in my research into this that's how 394 00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:42,090 far I feel like he is separated from 395 00:20:42,090 --> 00:20:42,899 Sonia Meza-Leon: this case. 396 00:20:43,649 --> 00:20:49,590 The only thing I really knew about him was that he's not Kaylee's father and there 397 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:51,210 was that's a conversation we'll have. 398 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:51,990 Yeah. 399 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:55,800 I mean, and there was a conversation in the trial about, you know, abuse, 400 00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:59,910 but, um, you know, I think it was just, you know, Casey trying to do anything 401 00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:01,590 she could to get out of the situation 402 00:21:02,340 --> 00:21:05,940 Brittney Sherman: after the Casey takes the officers to 403 00:21:05,970 --> 00:21:07,020 Zanny, the nanny is playing. 404 00:21:07,754 --> 00:21:08,955 No success there. 405 00:21:09,345 --> 00:21:11,955 The officers then say, all right, we'll retrace your steps. 406 00:21:12,254 --> 00:21:15,284 Take us to work universal studios. 407 00:21:15,615 --> 00:21:18,345 And as we mentioned, Casey, hasn't worked there. 408 00:21:18,345 --> 00:21:20,445 She hasn't worked there in years. 409 00:21:20,445 --> 00:21:24,645 As a matter of fact, there's Sonia, you worked at universal 410 00:21:25,514 --> 00:21:25,875 Sonia Meza-Leon: first off. 411 00:21:25,875 --> 00:21:29,085 I don't understand why they let anybody in to let and then let her 412 00:21:29,085 --> 00:21:31,495 walk in to show anybody where the I'm. 413 00:21:31,514 --> 00:21:31,965 She 414 00:21:31,965 --> 00:21:34,814 Brittney Sherman: straight up, walked into an office building, 415 00:21:34,875 --> 00:21:36,794 talk to her way through security. 416 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,790 And trimming the officers to an office where she claims she 417 00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:42,210 Sonia Meza-Leon: worked. 418 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:42,690 Yeah. 419 00:21:42,690 --> 00:21:45,600 And I think part of this honestly, was that there were officers with her. 420 00:21:45,629 --> 00:21:48,960 That's the key, because if she was Joe blow, you can't get any universal studios. 421 00:21:49,980 --> 00:21:54,360 But I think the, the officers definitely help them, you know, help 422 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,010 guide this a bit and let them in. 423 00:21:56,370 --> 00:22:00,840 And, you know, as what everybody says, you know, the craziness of her 424 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,190 walking, some of these officers in through buildings through many, many 425 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:07,230 doors, this is so-and-so's office. 426 00:22:07,230 --> 00:22:08,510 Hey, hello to people. 427 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,180 If you know, you know, and then finally getting to the very end of the corridor 428 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:14,790 and saying, I'm sorry, you're right. 429 00:22:14,790 --> 00:22:16,110 I actually don't work here. 430 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:20,490 And you know, what's amazing is you have to understand or try. 431 00:22:20,490 --> 00:22:23,400 I can't understand the kind of person who would need someone on a 432 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,530 lie that far down a road, because in my life, my biggest fear is 433 00:22:28,530 --> 00:22:30,650 getting caught in lies, not eating. 434 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:32,120 And not that you tell lies a lot. 435 00:22:33,165 --> 00:22:36,225 I could never imagine knowing from the beginning that I was telling 436 00:22:36,225 --> 00:22:39,315 a lie that I could ever get caught in that to me is terrifying. 437 00:22:39,525 --> 00:22:44,625 And for her to take it to that degree, it means that she has absolutely no 438 00:22:44,625 --> 00:22:46,575 fear and no conscience and doing that. 439 00:22:47,055 --> 00:22:47,475 Brittney Sherman: Yeah. 440 00:22:47,475 --> 00:22:48,105 I agree. 441 00:22:48,375 --> 00:22:50,565 One thing that always puzzled me though, it was almost like 442 00:22:50,565 --> 00:22:51,975 a game to the police officers. 443 00:22:52,005 --> 00:22:54,045 They knew this whole time, she never worked 444 00:22:54,135 --> 00:22:55,215 Sonia Meza-Leon: at universal. 445 00:22:56,235 --> 00:23:01,785 So back to the Casey and her and her, her magical lie telling, um, which is 446 00:23:01,785 --> 00:23:07,215 obviously indicative of some kind of, you know, criminal minds, Ted, Ted 447 00:23:07,215 --> 00:23:11,175 Bundy, you know, all your famous, you know, criminals, they, you know, they 448 00:23:11,175 --> 00:23:15,945 would, they would spend these, you know, these tales and it was just amazing 449 00:23:15,945 --> 00:23:19,845 that they just sounded so, so very much like they believed in themselves. 450 00:23:19,845 --> 00:23:22,425 And I think that was the way that they could really get others to. 451 00:23:22,785 --> 00:23:24,645 I think the difference there, head 452 00:23:24,645 --> 00:23:29,415 Brittney Sherman: bunny had almost a cult-like following of women. 453 00:23:29,715 --> 00:23:31,035 He was. 454 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,030 Attractive. 455 00:23:33,030 --> 00:23:34,620 He was charming. 456 00:23:34,649 --> 00:23:36,090 He was intelligent. 457 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,870 No, one's going to accuse Casey Anthony of being a member of 458 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,370 Sonia Meza-Leon: no, no, not at all, but as I just, I walked in, you know, 459 00:23:44,370 --> 00:23:47,790 and I was playing the podcast and these guys are about Casey Anthony and 460 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:49,530 it's sort of a frat party environment. 461 00:23:49,530 --> 00:23:50,430 They're talking about hot. 462 00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:50,879 She is. 463 00:23:50,910 --> 00:23:53,940 And that was brought up in that podcast many times. 464 00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:56,970 And I found it fascinating that that's still an important thing 465 00:23:56,970 --> 00:23:59,340 to talk about whether it's making fun of her or whatever. 466 00:23:59,340 --> 00:24:02,010 But, um, at the end of the day, I think someone thinks she's 467 00:24:02,010 --> 00:24:04,139 attractive and, and eminently pretty 468 00:24:04,139 --> 00:24:04,830 Brittney Sherman: persuasive. 469 00:24:05,970 --> 00:24:11,399 She's very persuasive almost to the point of, I don't know, 470 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,889 sociopathic to a certain extent. 471 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,879 And I think that speaks back to the flat aspect that was referencing 472 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:24,000 and her attractiveness, I think ultimately that might have played a 473 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,590 factor in the result of the trial. 474 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:26,970 Oh, 475 00:24:26,970 --> 00:24:27,780 Sonia Meza-Leon: absolutely. 476 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,490 Um, I mean, no doubt. 477 00:24:29,639 --> 00:24:34,500 I, you know, when you watch her in the, in the courtroom, she definitely is different 478 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:37,680 than all the pictures and the pictures where she's partying and she's doing 479 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,149 her hot bod contest with her boyfriend DJ anonymous, which is the dumbest name 480 00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:44,879 I've ever heard, because why do you want to be anonymous if you're a DJ? 481 00:24:45,389 --> 00:24:51,149 Um, and his friend Clint, uh, from long island who, uh, essentially 482 00:24:51,149 --> 00:24:53,879 we're probably, uh, you know, I think driving some of this. 483 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,990 Her personality had changed over time. 484 00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:01,240 As she had met these guys, evidently she was a strong, she 485 00:25:01,260 --> 00:25:03,000 believes strongly in marijuana. 486 00:25:03,030 --> 00:25:04,169 She didn't actually smoke. 487 00:25:04,199 --> 00:25:07,679 She, you know, would chastise her friends were smoking pot. 488 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:11,129 And then all of a sudden, when she started hanging out with whatever, 489 00:25:11,220 --> 00:25:14,639 Joey, something, Joey, whatever it Clint, you know, she wanted him to start 490 00:25:14,639 --> 00:25:19,379 partying and she wanted to start, you know, living, living the more fun life. 491 00:25:19,409 --> 00:25:22,620 And that was probably right around the time where Kaylee had, you know, it wasn't 492 00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:26,310 in the picture because it's easier to live that kind of life without a child. 493 00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:30,040 Brittney Sherman: We know the lies. 494 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:32,139 We know the change in personality. 495 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,110 We know the police know that she's full of it, 496 00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:38,169 Sonia Meza-Leon: which must've been so fun for them. 497 00:25:39,379 --> 00:25:41,889 Brittney Sherman: It was like a game seriously. 498 00:25:42,730 --> 00:25:47,080 Now we're now Casey's in a corner. 499 00:25:47,770 --> 00:25:48,790 She's arrested. 500 00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:51,250 She hires an attorney, Jose. 501 00:25:52,185 --> 00:25:57,555 She has her first name court, of course, pleads not guilty at this point. 502 00:25:58,335 --> 00:25:59,685 Kelly's only missing. 503 00:25:59,925 --> 00:26:03,375 So she's initially charged with neglect. 504 00:26:03,375 --> 00:26:07,635 The child endangerment, her bond is set at $500,000. 505 00:26:07,965 --> 00:26:14,805 Then the judge ultimately decides to ban release to all media. 506 00:26:15,435 --> 00:26:20,534 As you can imagine, hot and girl in Florida, the media is all over it. 507 00:26:21,905 --> 00:26:26,024 Missing little adorable blonde hair toddler, the heart 508 00:26:26,024 --> 00:26:27,524 of America at this point. 509 00:26:28,845 --> 00:26:37,065 So the jerk says no one's allowed in which I think maybe goes against Casey. 510 00:26:38,205 --> 00:26:39,615 I think Casey, the attention. 511 00:26:40,485 --> 00:26:41,535 Sonia Meza-Leon: Oh, absolutely. 512 00:26:41,595 --> 00:26:46,125 By the way, I just want to make sure that we call out that the first judge was 513 00:26:46,125 --> 00:26:53,445 actually taken off the case, talking to a blogger judge because, you know, God 514 00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:57,675 forbid somebody dogs in the media, I, you know, let's not talk to the media at all. 515 00:26:57,675 --> 00:27:02,685 So I am sure that that sort of propel this into a non-media or 516 00:27:02,775 --> 00:27:05,625 attempting to be non-media plus how are they ever going to find a jury? 517 00:27:06,045 --> 00:27:09,435 Um, and I think ultimately what they did is they brought a jury in, since the 518 00:27:09,435 --> 00:27:12,375 Brittney Sherman: media was blocked from courtroom proceedings. 519 00:27:13,095 --> 00:27:16,725 I don't know how they found out, but it was leaked to the media, 520 00:27:16,755 --> 00:27:19,695 probably through her attorney, maybe through someone else attached to 521 00:27:19,695 --> 00:27:25,035 the case, maybe her family, that her defense was going to be Haley drum. 522 00:27:26,115 --> 00:27:30,470 So at this point, Casey has not been charged with murder. 523 00:27:30,530 --> 00:27:35,030 They don't even know that she's dead, but there's all of a sudden speculation out 524 00:27:35,030 --> 00:27:37,640 there that she drown in the family pool. 525 00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:39,500 Why would there be speculation? 526 00:27:39,620 --> 00:27:43,280 Why would that have gotten out if she's not even dead yet? 527 00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:45,620 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah, well, yeah. 528 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,550 I mean, exactly. 529 00:27:46,550 --> 00:27:50,030 So who would have, who would, he would be compelled to meet that kind of thing 530 00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:53,360 who would benefit from that information? 531 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,920 That's really, I mean, ultimately Casey cause that's going to be her defense 532 00:27:58,340 --> 00:28:02,150 so likely it would have been a defense theory, but you know, I think lots of 533 00:28:02,150 --> 00:28:07,850 people were talking about the pool and the ladder and how, you know, those 534 00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:09,620 things happen all the time in Florida. 535 00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:13,490 It's hot Casey and the dad were alone at the house together with 536 00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:15,200 Kaylee and that he was the last one. 537 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,250 That's our, I'm not surprised because I think they were 538 00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:20,540 jumping to all kinds of things. 539 00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:25,890 And I, if I'm not mistaken that area in the back where they did find, 540 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,580 so eventually they find Kaylee's body, I think six months in, right? 541 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:30,120 Yeah. 542 00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:34,080 Brittney Sherman: After multiple calls to the police though, by a meter reader 543 00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:39,960 who reported finding any suspicious bag off to the side of the road. 544 00:28:40,770 --> 00:28:44,910 So it took three phone calls for someone to actually come out and investigate. 545 00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:50,190 This two particular things are really suspicious about this one. 546 00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:53,820 We know EquiSearch, which is a nationwide. 547 00:28:54,629 --> 00:28:59,370 Certain volunteer search organization who dedicates people to looking for missing, 548 00:28:59,430 --> 00:29:06,150 missing children, searched the area high and low, but as Salish your from Florida, 549 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,820 you know, that it turns into swamp land. 550 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,190 The searches started around hurricane season, tropical storm season. 551 00:29:14,955 --> 00:29:18,524 So the area around the Anthony home was underwater. 552 00:29:18,615 --> 00:29:19,155 Sonia Meza-Leon: Oh yeah. 553 00:29:19,305 --> 00:29:19,485 Yeah. 554 00:29:19,485 --> 00:29:22,815 It would have been really swampy in that heat. 555 00:29:22,905 --> 00:29:28,605 And in that kind of the heat coupled with the, the, just the vast amount of water in 556 00:29:28,605 --> 00:29:32,115 Florida, I don't know if you've ever been, but when you fly in, it looks more like 557 00:29:32,115 --> 00:29:35,685 there's just little speckles of land in the middle of all these masses of water. 558 00:29:36,045 --> 00:29:37,965 So it doesn't take much. 559 00:29:38,175 --> 00:29:41,685 I mean, you're talking about everywhere along every side of the road, you've 560 00:29:41,685 --> 00:29:45,795 got these, you know, probably retention ponds and these little, like two or three 561 00:29:45,795 --> 00:29:51,315 inch puddles of water, but it adds up, but water, you know, standing over an 562 00:29:51,315 --> 00:29:55,545 area over time is definitely going to increase the decomposition of a body. 563 00:29:55,575 --> 00:29:59,745 Brittney Sherman: Here's a question for, we can establish, we can agree. 564 00:30:00,014 --> 00:30:02,055 Water probably covered that area. 565 00:30:02,925 --> 00:30:08,235 A quarter mile from Nina Anthony home, a body was found a quarter 566 00:30:08,235 --> 00:30:09,645 mile from the Anthony home. 567 00:30:09,675 --> 00:30:10,845 How. 568 00:30:12,209 --> 00:30:14,790 That's like across the street practically. 569 00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:17,639 Oh, is that, how, how did it take 570 00:30:17,639 --> 00:30:18,600 Sonia Meza-Leon: so long? 571 00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:25,709 Well, also, so even if you've got the body in the area where that was underwater, at 572 00:30:25,709 --> 00:30:30,929 one point, it would, I would assume that if you've got dogs in the area tracking, 573 00:30:31,290 --> 00:30:36,959 they would have hit somewhere along the path from the house to that area and it 574 00:30:36,959 --> 00:30:38,310 leaked, and then they would've stopped. 575 00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:40,770 They would have stopped at the water's edge, whatever that water's edge 576 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,179 is, they would've stopped at it. 577 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,020 But nowhere around the house, did they really hit on anything with the exception 578 00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:50,340 of two places they hit, they hit in the house and by the back of the car, by 579 00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:55,290 the trunk of the car for cadaver, they also, the first time the dogs went out, 580 00:30:55,649 --> 00:30:57,810 also hit in the backyard for a cadaver. 581 00:30:58,050 --> 00:31:01,530 When they went back to the house, they did not find they did not have that same hit. 582 00:31:01,889 --> 00:31:07,590 There's some idea that it was that that cadaver was beyond that car again. 583 00:31:08,250 --> 00:31:11,370 I mean, what I don't understand, and also it seems really weird. 584 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,889 Is that, that body and who knows how long that would, that timeframe would 585 00:31:16,889 --> 00:31:20,760 have been because Kate, the, the girl little girl would have had to decompose. 586 00:31:21,179 --> 00:31:26,429 So how long she must've been in the car the whole time and someone is established 587 00:31:26,429 --> 00:31:30,060 that she died on the 16th, but I don't know if that's actually the case. 588 00:31:30,419 --> 00:31:34,350 Did she actually die on the 16th or was she kept alive for a period of time? 589 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:37,110 If you only have the bones, I'm not sure how you know that. 590 00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:37,710 Yeah. 591 00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:38,220 I don't 592 00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:41,310 Brittney Sherman: know, obviously, and we know she was missing, but that's why 593 00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:44,040 for so long, Casey was only charged with. 594 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:47,129 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah, because we didn't know if he actually had a 595 00:31:47,129 --> 00:31:49,379 body because she could have been running around Zanny the nanny. 596 00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:50,490 Exactly. 597 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,240 Brittney Sherman: It's. 598 00:31:51,899 --> 00:31:52,260 Hmm. 599 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:59,730 And when you talk about the car, so one of the prosecutions lightening, your 600 00:31:59,730 --> 00:32:03,659 odds that they thought would really be the silver bullet to get Casey. 601 00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:11,150 Is that there was significant evidence of a decomposing body in the back of the, 602 00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:12,000 Sonia Meza-Leon: on the back of the car. 603 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:15,030 I think they establish that through the trunk, some 604 00:32:15,030 --> 00:32:15,750 Brittney Sherman: gas. 605 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,590 Right? 606 00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:21,060 So, so there was essentially like a scene in the carpet of 607 00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:22,740 the back of the car in the trunk. 608 00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:27,480 There was gas that was collected as he said, right. 609 00:32:27,810 --> 00:32:31,110 Probably most telling a wall, multiple people report. 610 00:32:31,889 --> 00:32:37,860 A horrible smell that is akin to, or exactly that of a decomposing body. 611 00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:38,820 Right. 612 00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:43,710 And it started really when the car was towed, someone reported that there was 613 00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:47,909 an odor, the person didn't, the tow yard didn't know that it was decomposing body, 614 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:49,500 but reported the odor to begin with. 615 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:50,340 Sonia Meza-Leon: Sure. 616 00:32:50,639 --> 00:32:53,610 And then that's when they said they found garbage in the back of the car 617 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,149 and for duke Creek, Casey credited. 618 00:32:57,149 --> 00:33:00,960 If, if that, if she did put that body in the car, if she killed Kaylee and 619 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,260 she put that body in the car and that body decompose for her to have the 620 00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:08,879 forethought to then take the body out, put it somewhere wherever, and 621 00:33:08,879 --> 00:33:11,490 then he'd be back at Casey credit. 622 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,550 Well, she must've thought about this cause she put the garbage in 623 00:33:14,550 --> 00:33:16,320 there to cover up the decomp smell. 624 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:19,200 You know, you're like, well, cause I waiver here. 625 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,639 I say, she's an idiot. 626 00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:25,560 Oh, I can't believe she, excuse again, I have the fear of being caught in a lie. 627 00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:29,100 So I'm like kind of, you know, to be so bold and bring. 628 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,060 Um, and then to spend these lies to the point where she exhausts 629 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:37,199 everyone, but she does put some thought into some of this because 630 00:33:37,379 --> 00:33:40,020 she's thoughtful about the garbage. 631 00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:43,320 She must've been, she that wasn't coincidentally, she put it in there 632 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,600 because you want, wanted to cover up the smell if that was the case. 633 00:33:46,050 --> 00:33:48,000 I think the other thing that in the back of the trunk of 634 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,139 the car that I found the most. 635 00:33:50,250 --> 00:33:54,840 Was it, they found hair and that hair had, what's called a death band on it. 636 00:33:54,870 --> 00:34:00,300 And that death bin is only on hair that is attached to a decomposing body. 637 00:34:00,660 --> 00:34:02,760 It's the law, there's a black line there. 638 00:34:03,030 --> 00:34:07,200 And so they found Kaley's hair because it was that it was the mother 639 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,690 line where they did the analysis. 640 00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:09,900 It could only be in the mother line. 641 00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:13,440 So that haircut have only come from Casey or Cindy or Kaylee. 642 00:34:13,710 --> 00:34:17,489 And it was untreated, which means that, so it had to have been Kaylee's. 643 00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:18,480 So I think it was someone I 644 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,179 Brittney Sherman: mentioned real quick, talking about giving credit 645 00:34:21,449 --> 00:34:27,060 where credit's due to Casey and she planted the seeds previously by 646 00:34:27,090 --> 00:34:29,159 reporting to her dad, or maybe it was. 647 00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:34,560 That her car smelled like she hit a dead animal or there was a 648 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,520 Sonia Meza-Leon: dead animal in there. 649 00:34:35,790 --> 00:34:37,140 Well, yes, exactly. 650 00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:41,640 She told her dad to, to, I don't know why too, because maybe one was a little 651 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:47,670 li two squirrels caught up in her engine and they got, you know, when she started 652 00:34:47,670 --> 00:34:49,050 the car, they got ground up in there. 653 00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:52,650 Brittney Sherman: That's freaking disgusting. 654 00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:54,180 Okay. 655 00:34:54,210 --> 00:34:54,630 Thank you. 656 00:34:54,650 --> 00:34:57,630 Sonia Meza-Leon: I don't look at me about Prius cause I love my Prius and 657 00:34:57,630 --> 00:35:01,320 there's no reverse world that entered by the way, just for the best thing. 658 00:35:01,830 --> 00:35:02,850 That's freaking awful. 659 00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:05,850 But, uh, that's what Casey told her dad was when he asked her. 660 00:35:05,850 --> 00:35:07,860 Cause he finally, you know, getting her to that house and 661 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:09,540 like tell us what is going on. 662 00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:10,590 And that was her. 663 00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:14,730 Explain the decomposition, smell to squirrel is caught up on my engine 664 00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:16,610 and must've gotten wrapped up in. 665 00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:18,840 You know, hamburger, meat gross. 666 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,460 She told her friend Gonzalez not Gonzales, something to Dallas. 667 00:35:23,550 --> 00:35:27,060 She told one of her friends that she had thought she had hit a squirrel. 668 00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:30,180 So I don't even know why she was compelled to tell him to change the story. 669 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,690 If she told her dad one story about two girls and the engine. 670 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:35,910 And why didn't you just tell her friend it's so many lines. 671 00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:36,230 I dunno. 672 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:37,920 That's exactly 673 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,160 Brittney Sherman: right. 674 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:44,040 You see that speaks to Casey is coming, but not super 675 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:44,610 Sonia Meza-Leon: Selligent. 676 00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:49,170 He's not because it's so much easier just to remember one story. 677 00:35:49,770 --> 00:35:52,740 Like, I mean, I, again, I'm mortified being caught in a lie, 678 00:35:52,740 --> 00:35:54,540 you know, so I just don't ever lie. 679 00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:58,200 It's, you know, I wish I was good at it because I'd probably wouldn't 680 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,670 hurt my mom's feelings so often. 681 00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:02,910 But you know, at the end of the day, it's a lot of work to remember 682 00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:03,750 Brittney Sherman: lies. 683 00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:04,470 Poor mom. 684 00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:07,020 I know. 685 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,430 Well, I try to be complimentary all the time to everybody, you know, Hey, 686 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,090 Sonia Meza-Leon: come on. 687 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:14,580 All right. 688 00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:20,550 So back to the car, back to the hair, back to the calm, back to all these 689 00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:24,420 stories shooting as the police go and, you know, continue to talk to the 690 00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:26,310 family by the way, this poor family. 691 00:36:27,134 --> 00:36:32,174 Do you watch the video of these, you know, Cindy and outside their house being 692 00:36:32,174 --> 00:36:36,855 off of, you know, the media, because they're just I'm word choice there. 693 00:36:37,004 --> 00:36:37,575 Yeah. 694 00:36:37,995 --> 00:36:39,404 It was really awful. 695 00:36:39,404 --> 00:36:41,955 You know, they were getting these people, you know, and they were getting 696 00:36:41,955 --> 00:36:44,415 them back and they're wearing Shirley. 697 00:36:44,415 --> 00:36:46,125 Yes, it was really awful. 698 00:36:46,185 --> 00:36:48,585 And the media is either being supportive or unsupportive, but 699 00:36:48,585 --> 00:36:50,685 either way, they're getting all this attention that they don't want. 700 00:36:50,685 --> 00:36:51,625 They're wearing a t-shirt with 701 00:36:51,634 --> 00:36:52,395 Brittney Sherman: Kaylee on it. 702 00:36:52,455 --> 00:36:54,884 The court of public opinion made their decision. 703 00:36:54,915 --> 00:36:57,855 Well, before this went to trial as with many high profile 704 00:36:57,855 --> 00:36:59,714 cases, it's the norm these days, 705 00:36:59,774 --> 00:37:00,495 Sonia Meza-Leon: awful. 706 00:37:00,765 --> 00:37:01,754 That has nothing real. 707 00:37:01,754 --> 00:37:03,944 I mean, at the end of the day, you know, sure. 708 00:37:03,975 --> 00:37:07,544 Casey's in jail, go to the courthouse or go to the gym protest, but these 709 00:37:07,605 --> 00:37:11,294 poor, the family, you know, I don't know how you, you get through that. 710 00:37:11,294 --> 00:37:14,625 And also in this moment are grieving for your granddaughter 711 00:37:14,745 --> 00:37:16,484 that your daughter likely killed. 712 00:37:16,964 --> 00:37:17,415 Yeah. 713 00:37:17,504 --> 00:37:21,765 I mean, that's really, you know, and I think I want to back up a bit, cause I 714 00:37:21,765 --> 00:37:25,634 think we, we can talk a little bit about Sidney and Casey and their relationship. 715 00:37:26,670 --> 00:37:29,640 And now I feel, I feel really strongly that Cindy knows 716 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,200 something more than she's saying. 717 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:35,070 I think that she realized after a certain point, I don't think that there was a 718 00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:38,940 point where Casey could have told her the truth, but I think she suggested to her, 719 00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:39,810 Brittney Sherman: um, cause there wasn't 720 00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:41,550 Sonia Meza-Leon: much time where she came home and they were talking 721 00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:42,840 about it and then she went to jail. 722 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,210 So anything that her jail time would have been recorded. 723 00:37:45,690 --> 00:37:49,950 But I think that Cindy tinny in Casey's relationship, they were best friends. 724 00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:53,250 Like you said, Cindy knew about her not graduating. 725 00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:55,380 Oh wait, let me just remind everybody. 726 00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:59,400 Cindy did not tell anybody else in the family, she don't lie to the family. 727 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,490 She kept that light going and. 728 00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:05,970 This is exactly the same thing that happened when they 729 00:38:05,970 --> 00:38:07,170 found out Katie was pregnant. 730 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:07,920 Right. 731 00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:08,730 They found that case. 732 00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:10,920 He was pregnant because she told at first she said, oh, 733 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,940 you're getting a little chubby. 734 00:38:11,970 --> 00:38:13,110 Oh, no problem. 735 00:38:13,110 --> 00:38:14,130 Well, I couldn't be pregnant. 736 00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:14,740 I'm a Virgin. 737 00:38:14,759 --> 00:38:15,300 Yeah. 738 00:38:15,330 --> 00:38:15,780 Okay. 739 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,490 Turns out to see immaculate conception. 740 00:38:17,550 --> 00:38:18,600 Absolutely. 741 00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:19,410 Seven months in. 742 00:38:19,995 --> 00:38:24,555 Somebody else in the family mentioned that Casey looks pregnant and Sidney 743 00:38:24,555 --> 00:38:28,485 now is blowing it off and Casey too, and she's seven months pregnant. 744 00:38:28,695 --> 00:38:31,455 And when you're that little under seven months pregnant, I mean, sure. 745 00:38:31,455 --> 00:38:34,635 You may look like, you know, you're not really, everybody carries babies 746 00:38:34,635 --> 00:38:36,405 differently, but I can't imagine. 747 00:38:36,405 --> 00:38:39,435 And then what happens in two months when the baby comes out, like 748 00:38:39,435 --> 00:38:44,085 you still got a reality to this happening, this is not going away. 749 00:38:44,445 --> 00:38:47,115 And I kind of feel like that's the way Sydney and Casey Casey approach. 750 00:38:47,145 --> 00:38:50,115 Everything is like, you know, you just keep pushing it off. 751 00:38:50,145 --> 00:38:51,195 It will go away. 752 00:38:51,315 --> 00:38:51,585 You know? 753 00:38:51,615 --> 00:38:54,645 And in this case, it's kind of what happened because you know, her road 754 00:38:54,645 --> 00:38:56,835 to freedom because she was acquitted. 755 00:38:56,985 --> 00:38:59,685 I mean, she, she pushed through it somehow or another, every day she 756 00:38:59,685 --> 00:39:03,315 pushed through it and she created more lies, but it, it happened for her. 757 00:39:03,315 --> 00:39:05,925 It's kind of amazing to me, you know, Sydney. 758 00:39:07,265 --> 00:39:10,835 These realities and then finding out after the fact must've been really 759 00:39:10,835 --> 00:39:13,595 hurtful for the family, and then they must not have trusted them. 760 00:39:13,865 --> 00:39:17,435 Brittney Sherman: That parlays perfectly into where you and I 761 00:39:17,435 --> 00:39:18,755 diverge a little bit on this. 762 00:39:18,965 --> 00:39:20,255 I have a lot of theories. 763 00:39:20,345 --> 00:39:22,025 I wrote several down. 764 00:39:22,025 --> 00:39:26,705 Then I'll talk about later because I don't really know what happened, but 765 00:39:26,705 --> 00:39:32,435 one of my theories is that Cindy knew, I don't think Cindy was involved in the 766 00:39:32,435 --> 00:39:38,465 death of Katie, but I think she knew was she involved in the coverup or the 767 00:39:38,465 --> 00:39:48,545 barrier maybe, but Cindy only called 9 1 1 to report Kaylee missing after 768 00:39:48,545 --> 00:39:55,115 Casey told her brother wheat let's think about this 31 days, the grandparents 769 00:39:55,145 --> 00:39:56,615 don't see their granddaughter. 770 00:39:57,485 --> 00:40:00,515 They are a strange, somewhat from. 771 00:40:01,424 --> 00:40:03,285 Casey comes over. 772 00:40:03,524 --> 00:40:08,805 They call the police to report Casey for stealing the car. 773 00:40:09,584 --> 00:40:11,805 Kaylee is not with Casey. 774 00:40:12,345 --> 00:40:21,345 So in my conspiracy theory, if Cindy and Casey knew what happened to Kaylee, it 775 00:40:21,345 --> 00:40:23,595 was still contained with the two of them. 776 00:40:24,375 --> 00:40:30,464 Then Casey, essentially let it slip to leave that she doesn't 777 00:40:30,464 --> 00:40:32,535 know where her daughter is now. 778 00:40:32,535 --> 00:40:33,495 The lids off 779 00:40:34,515 --> 00:40:35,234 Sonia Meza-Leon: now, now 780 00:40:36,044 --> 00:40:36,455 Brittney Sherman: him. 781 00:40:36,495 --> 00:40:39,495 She can't have to need to hold it in because 782 00:40:39,524 --> 00:40:40,245 Sonia Meza-Leon: now it's out there. 783 00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:42,150 True. 784 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:46,770 I just, I can't, I don't understand how somebody can you live. 785 00:40:46,830 --> 00:40:52,590 They pretty much lived or up until right before or the, I guess the last 786 00:40:52,590 --> 00:40:56,100 time they saw them was in June and then they moved out right after that. 787 00:40:56,310 --> 00:40:58,860 So they, she has been skirting them, but the night 788 00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:01,110 Brittney Sherman: before she went missing, Kaylee and Casey 789 00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:02,190 stayed with the Anthony's. 790 00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:03,210 Sonia Meza-Leon: Got it. 791 00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:07,110 By the way, let's back up a moment and talk about how Casey 792 00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:08,820 was going to afford an apartment. 793 00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:12,150 She really didn't have a job. 794 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,990 And I think this is one of my biggest hiccups in this whole thing is 795 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,880 how is she going to move anywhere? 796 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,490 Does she have a car because she doesn't have any money. 797 00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:22,530 If she has money, how was she getting it? 798 00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:25,890 It sounded to me like she had gone into the Anthony's house 799 00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:28,440 a couple of times it was stolen money, but what else is she doing? 800 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,450 Well, she exists with no money. 801 00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:31,110 No, you're 802 00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:31,350 Brittney Sherman: right. 803 00:41:31,350 --> 00:41:31,830 You can't. 804 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,640 But the first week that she moved out, she was staying with her boyfriend. 805 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,680 Then she moved in with her. 806 00:41:38,805 --> 00:41:41,265 Uh, whether or not there was some sort of a rent agreement. 807 00:41:41,325 --> 00:41:43,665 She was going to say rent free until she got a job. 808 00:41:44,384 --> 00:41:45,524 No idea. 809 00:41:46,185 --> 00:41:49,245 Or Casey always has a backup plan. 810 00:41:49,725 --> 00:41:55,754 She was later arrested after she was released on bail, which is strange because 811 00:41:55,754 --> 00:42:00,915 with a half million dollar bond, some random person came up and paid for it. 812 00:42:01,125 --> 00:42:05,355 But after she was released from jail for the endangerment of Kaylee, she was 813 00:42:05,355 --> 00:42:08,654 rearrested for stealing more than $1,400. 814 00:42:08,654 --> 00:42:13,785 And writing fraudulent checks from her friend, Amy, who she was living with. 815 00:42:13,814 --> 00:42:14,085 Okay. 816 00:42:14,115 --> 00:42:16,185 Sonia Meza-Leon: So her way to pay Amy was to take any of his 817 00:42:16,185 --> 00:42:17,415 money and pay her back with it. 818 00:42:18,225 --> 00:42:21,495 Casey's the Dick Dick move, bro. 819 00:42:22,544 --> 00:42:23,384 Let's go back a moment. 820 00:42:24,165 --> 00:42:25,274 God, Casey, out of jail. 821 00:42:25,575 --> 00:42:27,165 How has that hospital who paid the bond? 822 00:42:27,194 --> 00:42:31,245 Is that even like, I am like, I think there's something much 823 00:42:31,274 --> 00:42:34,544 deeper to Casey than we're all thinking about because she's lying. 824 00:42:34,544 --> 00:42:36,134 She's able to do this, you know, all these. 825 00:42:36,975 --> 00:42:38,925 I mean, is she involved in like prostitution? 826 00:42:38,925 --> 00:42:40,425 Is she involved in like drugs? 827 00:42:40,435 --> 00:42:41,115 Well, 828 00:42:41,915 --> 00:42:43,005 Brittney Sherman: very fair question. 829 00:42:43,005 --> 00:42:48,975 So a bail bondsman named Berliner Pedea paved Casey's half a million dollar bail. 830 00:42:49,755 --> 00:42:52,305 I don't, I don't get it right. 831 00:42:52,365 --> 00:42:52,755 Exactly. 832 00:42:52,755 --> 00:42:53,865 I don't know why I end 833 00:42:53,875 --> 00:42:54,105 Sonia Meza-Leon: up getting 834 00:42:54,105 --> 00:42:55,365 Brittney Sherman: a bail bondsman or bounty hunter. 835 00:42:55,395 --> 00:42:58,605 He was a male boss or whether I don't really know either, but 836 00:42:58,995 --> 00:43:00,585 from what I've heard, thank you. 837 00:43:00,585 --> 00:43:04,425 Wikipedia and investigation discovery. 838 00:43:05,085 --> 00:43:05,565 She wasn't 839 00:43:12,615 --> 00:43:16,485 half a million dollars and he is not the only person that posted 840 00:43:16,485 --> 00:43:21,975 bond because he posted on, she was released, fitted with an ankle monitor. 841 00:43:22,035 --> 00:43:25,035 She was rearrested for stealing the money from her roommate. 842 00:43:25,475 --> 00:43:28,545 Her parents came up with an additional 500,000. 843 00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:32,710 Sonia Meza-Leon: Her parents in Florida came up with an additional $500,000. 844 00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:32,860 Her 845 00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:35,319 Brittney Sherman: parents retired police officer turned 846 00:43:35,319 --> 00:43:36,549 security guard who wanted to 847 00:43:36,549 --> 00:43:37,299 Sonia Meza-Leon: be a theme 848 00:43:37,299 --> 00:43:40,529 Brittney Sherman: park character, and her nurse that you can 849 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:45,100 is calling to be goofy. 850 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,080 And her nurse 851 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,500 Sonia Meza-Leon: mom, 852 00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:51,460 Brittney Sherman: a half a million dollars, they came up with to pay. 853 00:43:52,029 --> 00:43:53,230 How does that happen? 854 00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:55,180 Sonia Meza-Leon: It doesn't, it just doesn't. 855 00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:57,880 I mean, today we're fucking driving a sunburn. 856 00:44:00,009 --> 00:44:02,500 If you had a half, a million dollars, you wouldn't be 857 00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:05,890 Brittney Sherman: driving a sunburn know I'll talk later about how she 858 00:44:05,890 --> 00:44:07,000 picked her up at certain speeds. 859 00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:07,600 Well, 860 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,279 Sonia Meza-Leon: I think that's all wrapped up in it is I 861 00:44:09,279 --> 00:44:10,450 think she would do anything. 862 00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:12,819 And I think she probably was first off. 863 00:44:12,819 --> 00:44:15,880 We know she was spending eight hours a day, five days a week for 864 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,480 two freaking years saying that she was working at universal. 865 00:44:19,509 --> 00:44:20,290 Where was she going? 866 00:44:20,290 --> 00:44:20,650 What was she. 867 00:44:21,464 --> 00:44:21,915 At the 868 00:44:21,915 --> 00:44:23,984 Brittney Sherman: very least find another job. 869 00:44:24,044 --> 00:44:24,524 What do you do? 870 00:44:24,825 --> 00:44:26,024 How boring is that? 871 00:44:26,055 --> 00:44:26,895 You don't have any money. 872 00:44:28,004 --> 00:44:32,805 Sonia Meza-Leon: She was creating emails with her employees that universal 873 00:44:32,805 --> 00:44:37,335 leaving them around the house that is so much work to keep that lag, going to 874 00:44:37,335 --> 00:44:39,194 get up every morning and get dressed. 875 00:44:39,615 --> 00:44:40,305 It's just easier 876 00:44:40,305 --> 00:44:41,415 Brittney Sherman: to work a real job. 877 00:44:41,714 --> 00:44:44,535 Sonia Meza-Leon: Well, you have money unless you're already getting money. 878 00:44:44,535 --> 00:44:44,984 Yes. 879 00:44:44,984 --> 00:44:47,535 So that's what I'm, you know, this is a young girl. 880 00:44:47,535 --> 00:44:49,904 She's 22, whatever she thinks she's hot 881 00:44:50,595 --> 00:44:51,435 Brittney Sherman: in Orlando. 882 00:44:51,524 --> 00:44:52,095 Bahar. 883 00:44:52,095 --> 00:44:52,455 She's hot. 884 00:44:52,484 --> 00:44:53,174 She's Orlando. 885 00:44:53,714 --> 00:44:53,984 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 886 00:44:53,984 --> 00:44:58,964 She's an Orlando eight, you know, she's an ally and that's okay. 887 00:45:00,375 --> 00:45:02,355 But you know, in good for her, that's great. 888 00:45:02,404 --> 00:45:03,734 She was in the right place. 889 00:45:04,064 --> 00:45:07,214 Um, but I just, I can't, I mean, maybe they took a mortgage out on 890 00:45:07,214 --> 00:45:09,404 their house, but their house was not worth half a million dollars either. 891 00:45:09,435 --> 00:45:15,225 No, I mean, there, there are houses far and few between not for the cop and the. 892 00:45:16,275 --> 00:45:20,715 So with the Sunbird, it just doesn't make a ton of sense, you know, unless these 893 00:45:20,715 --> 00:45:23,625 people were going to use her, if they were going to use her for something, or 894 00:45:23,625 --> 00:45:28,125 she knew someone, something was going on, I think these are where things 895 00:45:28,155 --> 00:45:31,425 worth the things that we should think about, because I just don't understand 896 00:45:31,425 --> 00:45:35,565 how she was going to move anywhere, unless she just really had no idea. 897 00:45:35,925 --> 00:45:39,075 I mean, she never did think about the end game because that's how our lives work. 898 00:45:39,075 --> 00:45:42,285 You know, she just thought she'd lie our way until she can just walk away from it. 899 00:45:42,795 --> 00:45:44,175 I think that's a trait of a narcissist. 900 00:45:44,175 --> 00:45:44,475 Right. 901 00:45:44,475 --> 00:45:48,705 It's just, you know, definitely disregard, you know, and it, and she'll 902 00:45:48,705 --> 00:45:50,775 get through it because she's heard it. 903 00:45:50,775 --> 00:45:51,675 She's amazing. 904 00:45:51,795 --> 00:45:52,455 Oh yeah. 905 00:45:52,815 --> 00:45:53,625 Oh yeah. 906 00:45:53,745 --> 00:45:54,075 I mean, 907 00:45:55,005 --> 00:45:58,305 Brittney Sherman: uh, in my opinion speaks to also the family 908 00:45:58,575 --> 00:46:01,305 is protecting Casey mother. 909 00:46:01,305 --> 00:46:02,475 Nothing knew anything. 910 00:46:02,505 --> 00:46:06,555 They still went out of their way to do everything they could to protect Casey. 911 00:46:06,885 --> 00:46:09,615 And that speaks to how she felt she was on top of. 912 00:46:10,365 --> 00:46:11,865 Sonia Meza-Leon: Oh, well, absolutely. 913 00:46:11,895 --> 00:46:16,815 I mean, she, I guess she had a history of, they had a really weird family dynamic. 914 00:46:17,355 --> 00:46:20,265 Cindy was a definitely the, you know, the queen of the house too, 915 00:46:20,265 --> 00:46:23,895 or just kind of run around, just agreeing with Cindy, which is fine. 916 00:46:23,924 --> 00:46:26,714 I don't mind that relationship at all though, who really 917 00:46:26,714 --> 00:46:28,185 ruled the house was Casey. 918 00:46:28,395 --> 00:46:30,915 Um, you know, if anything happened, Casey would come in, 919 00:46:30,944 --> 00:46:32,145 they would have a conversation. 920 00:46:32,265 --> 00:46:34,634 It wouldn't take much to get her set her off. 921 00:46:34,785 --> 00:46:37,214 She would get excited about something and you know, where 922 00:46:37,214 --> 00:46:38,265 are you accusing me of this? 923 00:46:38,265 --> 00:46:41,325 I mean, I think they got excited about the gas cans by the way. 924 00:46:41,355 --> 00:46:41,774 Oh yeah. 925 00:46:42,105 --> 00:46:45,765 So I think we should talk about the Gaskins later, but I just wanna 926 00:46:45,765 --> 00:46:49,214 remind everybody on the gas cans was duct tape and that is exactly 927 00:46:49,214 --> 00:46:51,734 the same duct tape that was found on 928 00:46:51,765 --> 00:46:53,205 Brittney Sherman: or near Caylee's body. 929 00:46:53,955 --> 00:46:57,134 Let's actually talk about the gas can now, because that's the part that 930 00:46:57,315 --> 00:47:01,455 I can't, I don't understand a big deal was made about the gas cake. 931 00:47:01,575 --> 00:47:05,384 She broke into the house and stole a gas can, which to me. 932 00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:08,070 What's the big deal with that. 933 00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:11,160 We'll talk about the duct tape that may or may not tie in 934 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,250 later, but what was the big deal? 935 00:47:14,250 --> 00:47:14,790 So she took a 936 00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:15,450 Sonia Meza-Leon: gas cannon. 937 00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:18,840 I think this is the parents trying to maintain control over her. 938 00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:21,840 And it had probably had a lot to do with Kaylee because they 939 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,950 wanted to see their granddaughter. 940 00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:26,730 And they were probably worried about her in, you know, Casey's care because 941 00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:29,880 they know their daughter, you know, they would try to, they would use anything 942 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,920 they could to try to regain control. 943 00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:35,010 So if it's a stupid as well, the only thing she did was take the 944 00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:36,720 gas can, and that's all I can do. 945 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,740 But I think that they were, you know, even with the car, you know, she was 946 00:47:40,740 --> 00:47:43,470 using the car and then once they, you know, she pissed them off and 947 00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:44,850 they're like, well, the car was stolen. 948 00:47:45,150 --> 00:47:48,240 So I think it was really, you know, and she, I don't know if she moved 949 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,750 out because she wanted to move out or because her, they wanted her to move 950 00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:55,050 out because it was one conversation I had heard where she had told her friend 951 00:47:55,050 --> 00:47:56,330 that her mom was making her move. 952 00:47:57,090 --> 00:48:00,270 But I really don't believe that because I don't think the mom would have 953 00:48:00,270 --> 00:48:02,040 wanted that little girl to go anywhere. 954 00:48:02,070 --> 00:48:02,759 Brittney Sherman: I agree. 955 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:03,840 I disagree. 956 00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:06,600 I think Keeley became their world. 957 00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:08,700 And when you have a two-year-old toddler, 958 00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:09,990 Sonia Meza-Leon: it usually does. 959 00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:10,830 Absolutely. 960 00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:15,150 I agree with you then maybe they want to give you see to move out. 961 00:48:15,450 --> 00:48:18,660 But I don't think Casey would want to move out without the little 962 00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:20,340 girl, because that was her control. 963 00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:22,500 Brittney Sherman: Yes or no. 964 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:23,860 I mean, well, 965 00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:26,009 Sonia Meza-Leon: definitely were control over her parents and that was 966 00:48:26,009 --> 00:48:27,360 probably how they were getting money. 967 00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:28,600 Yeah. 968 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,150 Brittney Sherman: Probably wanted a job. 969 00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:30,330 So 970 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,910 Sonia Meza-Leon: she must've somebody paid 971 00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:33,630 Brittney Sherman: for daycare. 972 00:48:34,259 --> 00:48:37,440 We talked about everything leading up to the case. 973 00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:39,210 We ready to talk about the trial 974 00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:42,270 Sonia Meza-Leon: a year. 975 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,250 Think so. 976 00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:45,090 Brittney Sherman: You want to cover a little more. 977 00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:49,950 Sonia Meza-Leon: I think that's, you know, the trial sort of speaks for 978 00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:53,669 itself, but I feel like that we've, we've already kind of hit the pinnacle. 979 00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:59,700 Well, the top of this was the lies, finding the child, George, the 980 00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:03,419 guy who found the child and then even suggesting that it was him, 981 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,549 which I really don't agree with. 982 00:49:05,819 --> 00:49:09,779 We talked about the proximity of the child being found to the house. 983 00:49:10,169 --> 00:49:12,689 You can talk about the evidence with the body. 984 00:49:12,689 --> 00:49:13,259 I think we should. 985 00:49:13,290 --> 00:49:15,120 Can we, if we can talk about that for a second, I think 986 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,419 Brittney Sherman: that's where, yeah, so that's essentially what I 987 00:49:18,419 --> 00:49:21,660 mean is we've heard all these things about everything that led up to it, 988 00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:24,720 and we can talk about the evidence that's presented and some of the 989 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,609 inflammatory things that are brought up 990 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:27,569 Sonia Meza-Leon: at the trial. 991 00:49:28,694 --> 00:49:29,325 Yes. 992 00:49:29,625 --> 00:49:31,545 So let's talk a little bit more about the body. 993 00:49:31,545 --> 00:49:35,745 And when they found the body six months into this, they found the body, the 994 00:49:35,745 --> 00:49:40,964 little Kaley's body she was in found, like you said, a quarter of a mile from 995 00:49:40,964 --> 00:49:43,154 their house and an area by the road. 996 00:49:43,455 --> 00:49:45,134 Florida's pretty much underwater anyway. 997 00:49:45,134 --> 00:49:47,745 So it doesn't take much or under sea level, but it doesn't take 998 00:49:47,745 --> 00:49:48,884 much for the water to settle. 999 00:49:48,884 --> 00:49:53,685 So I'm not surprised that they made not have found this sooner, but I find it 1000 00:49:53,685 --> 00:49:55,904 hard to believe that somebody somewhere. 1001 00:49:56,565 --> 00:49:59,715 And for this guy to call twice and nobody doing anything was kind of crazy. 1002 00:49:59,865 --> 00:50:05,385 You know, he readily admits that he took a stick and stuck it into the skull 1003 00:50:05,385 --> 00:50:07,155 and lifted it up to see what it was. 1004 00:50:07,575 --> 00:50:11,535 And, um, I'm assuming that there was probably some hair attached to 1005 00:50:11,535 --> 00:50:13,785 that skull or some hair matting. 1006 00:50:13,785 --> 00:50:14,955 That's what normally happens. 1007 00:50:15,285 --> 00:50:19,485 Somebody I listen to a podcast or I've watched an interview with the foreman 1008 00:50:19,725 --> 00:50:24,405 and he talked about how the pictures that they saw were so grizzly, but I was 1009 00:50:24,405 --> 00:50:26,865 having a hard time with that because I thought we just found a bag of bones. 1010 00:50:27,105 --> 00:50:27,765 So, yeah. 1011 00:50:27,795 --> 00:50:27,975 Brittney Sherman: Okay. 1012 00:50:27,975 --> 00:50:29,865 Let's discuss that bag of bones. 1013 00:50:30,495 --> 00:50:37,365 I'm a little unclear on that also because the first two times that 1014 00:50:37,545 --> 00:50:42,525 the meter reader called the police, he reported seeing this bag that he 1015 00:50:42,525 --> 00:50:46,635 thought maybe there was a body and when, 1016 00:50:46,905 --> 00:50:48,405 Sonia Meza-Leon: how am I going to go out the first time 1017 00:50:48,405 --> 00:50:49,995 when there's a body in a bag? 1018 00:50:52,645 --> 00:50:53,505 Brittney Sherman: I mean, Greg. 1019 00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:58,260 They were probably getting tips up the wazoo at this time, going 1020 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,210 everywhere, Caylee Anthony sightings. 1021 00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,540 So you have to be strategic in the ones you want to look at, but a 1022 00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:06,240 quarter mile from the Anthony home, I would think that's when they 1023 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:07,530 were put at the top of your list. 1024 00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:10,740 So here's my theory. 1025 00:51:11,490 --> 00:51:17,220 He reported seeing this bag went underwater, went through the winter 1026 00:51:17,490 --> 00:51:20,970 water, succeeded the bag opened up. 1027 00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:26,100 So when he came back, the third time the bag was open and he could see into 1028 00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:29,430 it that there was truly a dead body. 1029 00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:32,760 Like he suspected all along and it wasn't just in a bag. 1030 00:51:32,820 --> 00:51:37,560 It was, she was wrapped in a sheet or some sort of cover 1031 00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:45,180 Winnie the Pooh blanket and then placed into a bag. 1032 00:51:45,210 --> 00:51:49,620 So it's also possible animals got to the bag and opened it up. 1033 00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:52,815 That's how he would have been able to, as he said, And touch the 1034 00:51:52,815 --> 00:51:56,654 school with a stick and manipulate the crime scene, ultimately. 1035 00:51:56,685 --> 00:51:58,095 And I think it was two bags. 1036 00:51:58,095 --> 00:51:58,335 I don't 1037 00:51:58,335 --> 00:51:59,085 Sonia Meza-Leon: think it was just one. 1038 00:51:59,475 --> 00:52:01,185 There was the white laundry bag. 1039 00:52:01,225 --> 00:52:05,925 Brittney Sherman: That's clearly from the Anthony's house, establish that. 1040 00:52:06,315 --> 00:52:07,785 Sonia Meza-Leon: And then I either 1041 00:52:07,845 --> 00:52:10,755 Brittney Sherman: that bad was inside of a black garbage bag or the 1042 00:52:10,755 --> 00:52:12,765 reverse, but I'm assuming if the white 1043 00:52:12,765 --> 00:52:14,205 Sonia Meza-Leon: would have been, I would have been on the outside, it 1044 00:52:14,205 --> 00:52:15,535 would have been a lot easier to see. 1045 00:52:15,685 --> 00:52:19,335 I think I was the black bag is on the outside, but canvas inside, 1046 00:52:19,335 --> 00:52:23,175 which honest to God that bag opening up that black garbage bag. 1047 00:52:23,475 --> 00:52:24,615 It must've been a mess in there. 1048 00:52:24,615 --> 00:52:28,605 I mean, you've got water and heat, the decomposition, I mean, you've 1049 00:52:28,605 --> 00:52:30,555 got probably a little mat of hair. 1050 00:52:30,855 --> 00:52:32,865 Brittney Sherman: Um, something was offensive enough to where it 1051 00:52:32,865 --> 00:52:35,325 freaked the jury out because a lot of them talk about hope, how 1052 00:52:35,325 --> 00:52:36,345 Sonia Meza-Leon: bad those pictures were. 1053 00:52:36,645 --> 00:52:37,755 Um, and it was a child. 1054 00:52:37,785 --> 00:52:40,125 And obviously everybody's really sensitive to that 1055 00:52:40,125 --> 00:52:43,755 Brittney Sherman: because no matter what, you've got a little bag of child here 1056 00:52:44,365 --> 00:52:47,235 and point of clarity, um, objective. 1057 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,470 In the courtroom right now. 1058 00:52:49,799 --> 00:52:53,129 Uh, just want to make sure we're clear on this. 1059 00:52:53,669 --> 00:52:55,620 I want to retract the previous statement. 1060 00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:58,470 I said the meter reader called three times. 1061 00:52:58,890 --> 00:53:02,549 It wasn't until the fourth time that he called and then they 1062 00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:05,609 actually came out no more times. 1063 00:53:06,330 --> 00:53:07,980 Sonia Meza-Leon: Why are you kidding me? 1064 00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:09,149 You're the one from Florida. 1065 00:53:09,149 --> 00:53:10,640 You tell me it's not 1066 00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:16,799 it's not like you're washed up on the shore. 1067 00:53:16,859 --> 00:53:21,060 I mean, I know you can see a lot, but picking a skull up out sick. 1068 00:53:21,210 --> 00:53:23,399 I don't know if, I mean, I don't know if he did that the first 1069 00:53:23,399 --> 00:53:23,910 Brittney Sherman: or the fourth 1070 00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:26,879 Sonia Meza-Leon: time, but any of those times, like I would have 1071 00:53:26,879 --> 00:53:29,370 been screaming, bloody murder, like get your ass out of here. 1072 00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:30,210 What 1073 00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:34,649 Brittney Sherman: possessed someone though to say, I think that's a skull. 1074 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:35,759 Let me lift it. 1075 00:53:36,765 --> 00:53:36,945 Uh, 1076 00:53:36,945 --> 00:53:37,785 Sonia Meza-Leon: I would do that. 1077 00:53:37,815 --> 00:53:38,175 I love 1078 00:53:40,395 --> 00:53:42,165 Brittney Sherman: and live to see him on the wall. 1079 00:53:42,255 --> 00:53:42,945 I don't want to 1080 00:53:55,155 --> 00:53:56,565 Sonia Meza-Leon: child school. 1081 00:53:56,565 --> 00:54:00,225 Do you mean like a headway on a wall? 1082 00:54:00,345 --> 00:54:02,595 Is that looking at herd of like a hunter? 1083 00:54:02,595 --> 00:54:03,405 It's somebody I don't 1084 00:54:07,665 --> 00:54:12,345 full skeleton, not a doctor's skeleton. 1085 00:54:12,345 --> 00:54:14,505 This is clearly small. 1086 00:54:17,775 --> 00:54:19,635 And there it's small. 1087 00:54:20,295 --> 00:54:21,465 It's not an animal. 1088 00:54:21,465 --> 00:54:25,335 I would probably still actually now I retract that when I was younger, I would 1089 00:54:25,335 --> 00:54:28,815 definitely want to talk, but maybe not now, because I would definitely have 1090 00:54:28,815 --> 00:54:34,305 respect for a crime scene because clearly human stuff around it, you can see imag, 1091 00:54:34,305 --> 00:54:35,985 which means it's probably in or near it. 1092 00:54:36,105 --> 00:54:36,555 Right. 1093 00:54:36,585 --> 00:54:40,005 And then you may see the duct tape that was apparent. 1094 00:54:40,555 --> 00:54:44,565 You know, that, I think what I think what helps me understand the timeline 1095 00:54:44,565 --> 00:54:48,405 a little also is that duct tape and the condition of the bones, because 1096 00:54:48,765 --> 00:54:51,825 you know what they say is she must've done it almost immediately after she 1097 00:54:51,825 --> 00:54:55,035 was missing, because it would have taken that long for everything there to 1098 00:54:55,035 --> 00:54:59,685 decompose, like, but I still don't know if they can nail it down to an exact day. 1099 00:55:00,015 --> 00:55:03,435 And that's hard because when you try to establish alibis, if it happens. 1100 00:55:04,185 --> 00:55:06,195 Within a 72 hour range. 1101 00:55:06,285 --> 00:55:09,555 It's hard to establish some of these alibis through that whole time period. 1102 00:55:09,555 --> 00:55:13,005 So, you know, again, the jurors were really from that, the reason 1103 00:55:13,005 --> 00:55:15,345 that they couldn't convict her is because they just didn't feel like 1104 00:55:15,375 --> 00:55:21,405 no spoiler alert so many years after. 1105 00:55:21,895 --> 00:55:29,505 And they say, I know they say that, uh, Jon snow died. 1106 00:55:30,585 --> 00:55:30,945 That's 1107 00:55:30,945 --> 00:55:31,755 Brittney Sherman: more recent. 1108 00:55:32,625 --> 00:55:33,225 So upset. 1109 00:55:33,225 --> 00:55:34,005 A lot of people. 1110 00:55:34,035 --> 00:55:37,185 I know I will never watch game of Thrones again, by the day, I'm not 1111 00:55:37,185 --> 00:55:41,745 going to go back and rewatch the show go from being the most popular show 1112 00:55:41,835 --> 00:55:44,475 of all time to one of the most hated 1113 00:55:45,105 --> 00:55:47,325 Sonia Meza-Leon: because they ruined the end ruin. 1114 00:55:47,325 --> 00:55:48,705 Did I really? 1115 00:55:48,915 --> 00:55:49,545 We will get it. 1116 00:55:52,545 --> 00:55:53,955 oh, it was a beautiful show. 1117 00:55:53,955 --> 00:55:54,945 I mean, seriously, 1118 00:55:55,425 --> 00:55:57,495 Brittney Sherman: we digress back to the case, 1119 00:55:57,525 --> 00:56:00,555 Sonia Meza-Leon: you know, we've got Casey in jail now we've 1120 00:56:00,555 --> 00:56:02,985 got the body so we can hear. 1121 00:56:03,810 --> 00:56:05,250 Brittney Sherman: We started talking about the duct tape. 1122 00:56:05,290 --> 00:56:08,280 I know this is a future for you, and it was a huge sticking 1123 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,390 point for the prosecution. 1124 00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:14,160 So I'm going to let you own this because I had actually spoke a few holes in 1125 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,590 here, at least I think again, but I know it was a really big deal for you. 1126 00:56:16,770 --> 00:56:20,910 Sonia Meza-Leon: It is because, well, let's just say let's just 1127 00:56:20,910 --> 00:56:22,500 establish that, that right. 1128 00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:25,380 If somebody is saying, oh, well we don't know how she was killed. 1129 00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:29,970 I'm not sure how this couldn't be considered a homicide. 1130 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,820 If you look at the duct tape being honored around her 1131 00:56:32,820 --> 00:56:33,090 Brittney Sherman: face. 1132 00:56:33,090 --> 00:56:39,480 So hopefully by the way, the prosecution's main argument as to how Kaley was 1133 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,310 murdered is that she was suffocated with duct tape over her nose or mouth for, 1134 00:56:44,350 --> 00:56:46,800 Sonia Meza-Leon: I think that that is one of the things that the jury 1135 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,700 really had a hard time with because that I think was a bit farfetched. 1136 00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:53,430 I think that they had, I don't think you Suffolk it's moon with duct tape. 1137 00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:55,080 I think that you put that on to shut them up. 1138 00:56:55,530 --> 00:56:55,950 Okay. 1139 00:56:56,460 --> 00:56:57,330 I never saw that. 1140 00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:59,130 She said that I can do it with duct tape, but that was a 1141 00:56:59,130 --> 00:57:00,690 by-product of something else. 1142 00:57:00,690 --> 00:57:01,740 I think that the Xanax. 1143 00:57:02,175 --> 00:57:03,795 It was whatever it was. 1144 00:57:04,065 --> 00:57:07,005 Um, you know, I do think that she was probably given something and 1145 00:57:07,005 --> 00:57:09,915 she probably, but then why would you have duct tape it off if you put, if 1146 00:57:09,915 --> 00:57:13,725 she, if she died from you giving her something, what she wouldn't be, what, 1147 00:57:14,745 --> 00:57:15,765 Brittney Sherman: what's the point of the duck? 1148 00:57:15,765 --> 00:57:20,895 So the body's found there's duct tape around her jaw or on 1149 00:57:20,895 --> 00:57:20,985 her 1150 00:57:20,985 --> 00:57:23,385 Sonia Meza-Leon: jaw holding it on pretty much to her 1151 00:57:23,385 --> 00:57:25,185 skull, but I don't think it was 1152 00:57:25,185 --> 00:57:26,535 Brittney Sherman: over at the time. 1153 00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:30,210 It wasn't actually over for nose and mouth or where her 1154 00:57:30,210 --> 00:57:31,560 nose and mouth is in her school. 1155 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,750 Sonia Meza-Leon: I think it was small part of it was, but the 1156 00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:35,850 majority was stuff up in her hair. 1157 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,740 Oh, wait, the hair works, I guess when you die like that in an outside situation. 1158 00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:43,830 Cause I listened to the body farm bypass and it's amazing is 1159 00:57:43,830 --> 00:57:46,770 that you've got a skull rolling on the ground in whatever way. 1160 00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:51,270 And the heroine, a decomposable fall this back kind of just land around it. 1161 00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:52,890 And it makes like a horseshoe around the head. 1162 00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:54,930 It's like a hair mat. 1163 00:57:54,990 --> 00:57:55,500 Okay. 1164 00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:00,270 So that's where you could even, it's all, you know, cause it had been there for 1165 00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:03,870 so long in that humidity, in that heat, you know, it had all just fallen back. 1166 00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:07,590 So that's the assumption, but they say that that would have 1167 00:58:07,590 --> 00:58:09,660 fit over her mouth and her nose. 1168 00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:13,980 But you know, you don't know if that I think again, I don't think 1169 00:58:13,980 --> 00:58:15,300 that duct tape was the weapon. 1170 00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:18,720 I think that duct tape was, um, something to try to get, 1171 00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:19,710 Brittney Sherman: keep the little girl 1172 00:58:19,710 --> 00:58:20,340 Sonia Meza-Leon: quiet. 1173 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:21,420 Okay. 1174 00:58:21,450 --> 00:58:23,160 And that's the only reason, honestly. 1175 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:24,750 And here's the weird part about this duct tape 1176 00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:25,230 Brittney Sherman: by the way. 1177 00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:26,780 That 1178 00:58:26,780 --> 00:58:28,020 Sonia Meza-Leon: duct tape is not very common. 1179 00:58:28,020 --> 00:58:28,590 The kind of duct 1180 00:58:28,590 --> 00:58:31,470 Brittney Sherman: tape that was used, they found it in the Anthony's home. 1181 00:58:31,650 --> 00:58:32,190 They found it 1182 00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:35,850 Sonia Meza-Leon: on the signs, the freaking flyers that they put 1183 00:58:35,850 --> 00:58:37,560 up well around the neighborhood. 1184 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,240 Was that exactly that tape? 1185 00:58:39,390 --> 00:58:40,350 Like, are you kidding? 1186 00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:43,140 Look what you use the murder weapon. 1187 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:43,490 Brittney Sherman: Agree. 1188 00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:45,600 Suffocated her to put the signs up, trying 1189 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,200 Sonia Meza-Leon: to find her, like it's just really, really gross in a year. 1190 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:49,740 Okay. 1191 00:58:49,770 --> 00:58:51,180 So you've got the duct tape. 1192 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,590 So that's my theory about the duct tape. 1193 00:58:52,890 --> 00:58:54,660 I don't think it was used for suffocation. 1194 00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:58,320 I can do is used for keeping her quiet, but then if she was already dead, why 1195 00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,640 would they need to keep her quiet? 1196 00:59:00,180 --> 00:59:02,220 Brittney Sherman: If you think it's to help keep her quiet. 1197 00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:05,790 And I don't think you actually might be honest something because that 1198 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,520 might play into one of the other theories is that there were traces of 1199 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,590 chloroform found in the car chloroform. 1200 00:59:17,775 --> 00:59:21,255 I don't think a common thing to keep around the house. 1201 00:59:21,405 --> 00:59:21,675 It's 1202 00:59:21,675 --> 00:59:22,095 Sonia Meza-Leon: not. 1203 00:59:22,095 --> 00:59:24,855 And they found searches on the computer that she had looked up how 1204 00:59:24,855 --> 00:59:28,695 to chloroform, how to make chloroform 1205 00:59:28,875 --> 00:59:33,105 Brittney Sherman: also how to suffocate a child and get away with it. 1206 00:59:33,345 --> 00:59:35,625 I'm not saying that verbatim, but that's just what it was. 1207 00:59:35,715 --> 00:59:37,455 She legitimately search for that. 1208 00:59:38,415 --> 00:59:42,735 Sonia Meza-Leon: She's such an idiot, like why you don't need to look that up? 1209 00:59:43,035 --> 00:59:43,905 What is the word? 1210 00:59:43,905 --> 00:59:44,295 Bull. 1211 00:59:44,955 --> 00:59:45,435 Okay. 1212 00:59:49,815 --> 00:59:51,195 Brittney Sherman: We're jumping backwards a little bit. 1213 00:59:51,195 --> 00:59:51,855 Now. 1214 00:59:52,635 --> 00:59:56,535 She erased her internet searches. 1215 00:59:57,525 --> 01:00:01,665 The day that Kaylee went missing the family's computer internet. 1216 01:00:03,995 --> 01:00:05,375 Sonia Meza-Leon: How would she know how to do that? 1217 01:00:05,375 --> 01:00:06,425 She doesn't know how to do that. 1218 01:00:06,725 --> 01:00:06,935 Come 1219 01:00:06,935 --> 01:00:07,145 Brittney Sherman: on. 1220 01:00:07,145 --> 01:00:08,645 She had two years of doing nothing. 1221 01:00:08,645 --> 01:00:09,785 She probably played around on the computer. 1222 01:00:09,815 --> 01:00:11,855 She had a MySpace page in 2008. 1223 01:00:12,005 --> 01:00:12,655 No one was on and 1224 01:00:15,815 --> 01:00:16,205 Sonia Meza-Leon: I don't know. 1225 01:00:16,505 --> 01:00:19,565 Maybe she didn't know how, so then how do they find those searches, 1226 01:00:20,015 --> 01:00:21,605 Brittney Sherman: forensic, whatever. 1227 01:00:23,255 --> 01:00:23,465 So 1228 01:00:23,465 --> 01:00:25,835 Sonia Meza-Leon: she raised it and then they actually don't deeper. 1229 01:00:25,835 --> 01:00:26,705 Exactly. 1230 01:00:26,705 --> 01:00:28,595 And that's the part that's weird to me because that's one of those 1231 01:00:28,595 --> 01:00:32,015 moments where simply wait until like, you know, oh, I was actually looking 1232 01:00:32,015 --> 01:00:34,775 for chlorophyll from the dogs and it came up with chloroform and I'm 1233 01:00:34,775 --> 01:00:36,245 like, oh my God, lady, did you just 1234 01:00:36,245 --> 01:00:37,355 Brittney Sherman: take credit for that stupid? 1235 01:00:37,865 --> 01:00:39,815 I actually stand corrected the night. 1236 01:00:39,845 --> 01:00:40,775 It wasn't erased. 1237 01:00:40,925 --> 01:00:43,355 The day that Kaylee went missing, it wasn't a risk. 1238 01:00:43,565 --> 01:00:46,085 The day that Kaylee was reported. 1239 01:00:47,115 --> 01:00:48,405 A month later. 1240 01:00:48,735 --> 01:00:51,405 Sonia Meza-Leon: Uh, but who day? 1241 01:00:51,405 --> 01:00:51,915 Brittney Sherman: Right? 1242 01:00:51,945 --> 01:00:52,605 Because Casey 1243 01:00:52,605 --> 01:00:53,775 Sonia Meza-Leon: didn't live with live at the home. 1244 01:00:53,805 --> 01:01:00,285 That would have been Cindy and uh, oh, would she, as a grown ass woman have 1245 01:01:00,285 --> 01:01:02,115 to look up how to smother a child. 1246 01:01:02,115 --> 01:01:03,765 She's not looking that up, Cindy. 1247 01:01:03,795 --> 01:01:04,215 Yeah. 1248 01:01:04,245 --> 01:01:05,025 She's snow. 1249 01:01:05,055 --> 01:01:06,085 And she's erasing it for her. 1250 01:01:06,085 --> 01:01:06,765 And for Casey. 1251 01:01:06,765 --> 01:01:07,245 Yes. 1252 01:01:07,335 --> 01:01:10,095 You think Sidney knew how to figure out what the history 1253 01:01:10,095 --> 01:01:11,475 would be if Casey erased it? 1254 01:01:11,805 --> 01:01:14,565 Like, what we're saying is Cindy erased it Sydney, or I don't know 1255 01:01:14,565 --> 01:01:15,705 if Cindy would know how to do that. 1256 01:01:15,705 --> 01:01:15,855 Would 1257 01:01:15,865 --> 01:01:16,215 Brittney Sherman: she? 1258 01:01:16,245 --> 01:01:17,265 What about George? 1259 01:01:18,195 --> 01:01:19,065 Me, but 1260 01:01:19,845 --> 01:01:21,315 Sonia Meza-Leon: I don't think George likes Casey. 1261 01:01:24,495 --> 01:01:27,345 She, I mean, she really, but you know, what was weird about her? 1262 01:01:28,050 --> 01:01:32,070 They, they appear to have a good relationship Jordan, when she's there 1263 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,800 at the jail and they're talking to her and she's like, you know, the one 1264 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:39,600 thing I miss most was talking to you and I'm like, man, you're talking about 1265 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,810 later, like 10 minutes later, when you're accusing him of like molesting 1266 01:01:42,810 --> 01:01:44,370 you, what, what happened there? 1267 01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:46,710 You know, he's your best friend right here. 1268 01:01:46,830 --> 01:01:50,760 And then, you know, if it serves your purpose, you can say that he molested you. 1269 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,440 It's really, really weird. 1270 01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:56,360 And I think that was the last straw for George is he's like, I 1271 01:01:56,370 --> 01:01:58,950 have been so good to you and so tolerant, and this is how you treat 1272 01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:59,130 Brittney Sherman: me. 1273 01:01:59,130 --> 01:01:59,670 Yeah. 1274 01:02:06,419 --> 01:02:11,129 I think that's probably a good spot for us to call it for Casey Anthony. 1275 01:02:11,220 --> 01:02:16,649 We really dug deep into what the evidence was and all of the things 1276 01:02:16,649 --> 01:02:20,339 that led up to the trial, including some of the things with the trial. 1277 01:02:20,819 --> 01:02:23,970 I think for the next episode, we'll probably dive into really what our 1278 01:02:23,970 --> 01:02:29,790 theories are and what some of the theories of the prosecution and what 1279 01:02:29,790 --> 01:02:31,319 the defense ended up going with. 1280 01:02:31,470 --> 01:02:32,279 Sonia Meza-Leon: Exactly. 1281 01:02:32,279 --> 01:02:35,190 So stay tuned, parlor, Scarlet podcasters. 1282 01:02:35,730 --> 01:02:36,029 Brittney Sherman: All right. 1283 01:02:36,060 --> 01:02:41,100 Thanks for joining us a special shout out to John McGrew for our theme song 1284 01:02:41,129 --> 01:02:44,549 and Juan Mesa Leone for our artwork. 1285 01:02:45,250 --> 01:02:53,279 Be sure to follow us on twitter@scarletpodcastandshootusanemailatscarletmurderpodcastsatgmail.com.