Welcome back to SCOTUS Oral arguments and opinions.
Speaker AToday we're diving into a case that didn't make it to the supreme court for the October 2025 term, but that two justices argued forcefully should have.
Speaker AIt's a case called Apache Stronghold versus the United States and it's about religious freedom on federal land.
Speaker ABefore getting started, please note that this summary is read by an automated voice.
Speaker AAlso, I truly apologize for any mispronunciations.
Speaker ALet me paint you a picture.
Speaker AImagine there's a place that's been sacred to your family for over a thousand years.
Speaker AA place where your ancestors are buried, where your daughters come of age in ceremonies that can happen nowhere else on earth.
Speaker ANow imagine the government decides to give that land to a mining company that will turn it into a crater nearly two miles wide and over a thousand feet deep.
Speaker AThat's exactly what's happening to the Western Apache people and a place they call Chi Chil Budagotil, which is also called Oak Flat.
Speaker AOak Flat isn't just any piece of land in Arizona's Tonto National Forest.
Speaker AFor the Apaches, it's literally a direct corridor to the Creator.
Speaker AThey believe it's the dwelling place of spiritual beings called the Gaan.
Speaker AThink of them as holy spirits or guardian angels who serve as messengers between the Apache people and their Creator.
Speaker AThe ceremonies that happen there are irreplaceable.
Speaker ATake the sunrise ceremony, which marks an Apache girl's transition to womanhood.
Speaker ADuring this multi day ritual, the girl gathers plants that contain what the Apache call the spirit of Chichil Budagotil.
Speaker AShe's painted with white clay taken from the ground at Oak Flat itself, clay that represents the Apache creation story.
Speaker AWhen her godmother wipes that clay from her eyes on the final day, she's literally reborn as a woman forever imprinted with the spirit of Oak Flat.
Speaker ACrucially, these ceremonies can't happen anywhere else.
Speaker AIt's not like moving a church service to a different building.
Speaker AThe Apache say that without Oak Flat, without that connection to their sacred site, Apache women can't call themselves Apache.
Speaker AAs one woman put it, without the spirit of Chichil Bildugotil, there's nothing.
Speaker AThere's nothing at all.
Speaker ANow here's the conflict.
Speaker AIn 1995, mining companies discovered one of the world's largest copper deposits thousands of feet beneath Oak Flat.
Speaker ATwo multinational giants, Rio Tinto and bhp, formed a joint venture called Resolution Copper and began lobbying Congress for permission to mine there.
Speaker AFor nearly a decade they tried the front door approach, introducing at least 12 separate bills in Congress to force the government to hand over Oak Flat.
Speaker AEvery single one failed.
Speaker AThe Apache people testified at hearings explaining the sacred nature of the site.
Speaker ACongress listened and said no, again and again.
Speaker ABut then Resolution Copper and their congressional allies got creative.
Speaker AThey waited for the 2014 National Defense Authorization Act, A massive must pass defense spending bill that was 698 pages long and authorized hundreds of billions of dollars.
Speaker AAt the last minute, Resolution Copper convinced legislators to attach a small provision buried deep in that bill to that required the government to transfer Oak Flat to Resolution Copper in exchange for other scattered parcels of land.
Speaker ASo in 2021, when the government was about to finalize this land transfer, Apache Stronghold, a nonprofit founded by former Apache Tribal Chairman Dr.
Speaker AWenzler Nosey, filed a lawsuit.
Speaker AThey argued this violated the Religious Freedom Restoration act, or RFRA, and the First Amendment's guarantee of religious freedom.
Speaker ANow, let me explain RFRA in simple terms.
Speaker ACongress passed this law in 1993 after the supreme court made it harder for people to win religious freedom cases.
Speaker ARFRA says the federal government can't substantially burden someone's religious practice by unless it has a compelling reason and uses the least restrictive means possible.
Speaker AYou'd think the Apache lawsuit would be a slam dunk case, right?
Speaker AThe government is literally going to destroy a sacred site and end religious ceremonies forever.
Speaker AIf that's not a substantial burden on religious exercise, what is?
Speaker ABut here's where it gets complicated.
Speaker AThe case first went to a federal district court, which denied the Apache's request for an emergency injunction to stop the land transfer.
Speaker AThen a three judge panel at the ninth circuit Court of appeals affirmed that decision, with one judge writing a blistering dissent, Calling the majority's reasoning illogical and absurd.
Speaker AThe full 9th Circuit then decided to rehear the case with all 11 of their judges.
Speaker AWhat's called an en banc review, which usually happens only when a case involves exceptionally important legal issues.
Speaker AIn a fractured ruling with seven different opinions spanning 246 pages, the 9th Circuit en banc court basically said, yes, preventing religious exercise is normally a substantial burden under rfra, but not when the government is managing its own land.
Speaker AThe 9th Circuit relied heavily on a 1988 Supreme Court case called Ling and vs Northwest Indian Cemetery Protective Association.
Speaker AIn that case, the government wanted to build a road near, not through, but near some sacred tribal sites.
Speaker AThe supreme Court said that was okay because the government wasn't coercing anyone to violate their religious beliefs.
Speaker ABut here's the problem.
Speaker ALing was about building a road that would leave the sacred sites standing Just disrupted.
Speaker AThe Apache case is about completely obliterating the sacred site forever.
Speaker AIt's the difference between building a highway next to a cathedral and dynamiting the cathedral itself.
Speaker AThe ninth Circuit essentially created a special rule.
Speaker AWhen the government manages its own property, religious freedom protections don't apply the same way.
Speaker AIt's a carve out that Justice Gorsuch would later call legally dubious and and morally bankrupt.
Speaker AWhen Apache Stronghold petitioned the Supreme Court to hear their case, both sides made compelling arguments.
Speaker AThe Apache argued that the Ninth Circuit had gotten it completely wrong, that RFRA's plaintext protects religious exercise on federal land just like everywhere else, and that completely destroying a sacred site is the ultimate substantial burden on religion.
Speaker AThey pointed out that six other federal appeals courts had ruled that preventing religious exercise always counts as a substantial burden, creating a clear conflict in how courts interpret RFRA across the country.
Speaker AThe government, on the other hand, doubled down on the Ninth Circuit's reasoning.
Speaker AThey argued that the 1988 Lyng decision established a bright line rule.
Speaker AThe federal government's management of its own property and simply doesn't create the kind of burden on religion that triggers RFRA protection.
Speaker AThey also made a practical argument that if the Apache won, it would create religious servitudes over vast swaths of federal land, making it impossible for the government to manage everything from military bases to national parks.
Speaker ABut when the decision came down, seven justices said no.
Speaker AThey denied certiorari without explanation, which is what the court does to about 99% of the cases that come before it.
Speaker ABut Justice Gorsuch, joined by Justice Thomas, wrote a scathing dissent from that denial.
Speaker AGorsuch argued this case met every standard the court uses for taking cases.
Speaker AIt involved an important legal question, it conflicted with decisions from other courts, and it had massive real world consequences.
Speaker AWhat's fascinating here is how Gorsuch framed the moral stakes.
Speaker AHe compared this case to TVA versus Hill, where the Supreme Court stopped a nearly completed federal dam project costing over $100 million to protect an endangered fish from called the snail darter.
Speaker AGorsuch asked pointedly, if Congress went to such lengths to accommodate the snail darter, why should we suppose it offered less protection to people practicing an ancient faith?
Speaker AHere's why this case matters.
Speaker ABeyond the Apache people.
Speaker AHeartbreaking as their situation is, the Ninth Circuit covers 74% of all federal land in America and nearly a third of the country's Native American population.
Speaker ATheir ruling creates a roadmap for the government to destroy any religious practice on federal land without having to justify it.
Speaker AUnder rfra, and it's already happening.
Speaker ARight after the Ninth Circuit decision, the National Park Service used it to deny the Knights of Columbus permission to hold their annual Memorial Day Mass at a Virginia National Cemetery, a tradition they'd maintained for 60 years.
Speaker AJustice Gorsuch warned that nothing would prevent the government from shutting down worship at historic churches in national parks, including Ebenezer Baptist Church, where Martin Luther King Jr.
Speaker APreached.
Speaker AAs I wrap up today's episode, I keep coming back to Justice Gorsuch's closing words.
Speaker AHe said if the government wanted to demolish a historic cathedral, the court would find that case worth their time.
Speaker AFaced with the government's plan to destroy an ancient site of tribal worship, he wrote, we owe the Apaches no less.
Speaker AHe reminded us that the Apaches may live far from Washington, D.C.
Speaker Aand their history and religious practices may be unfamiliar to many, but that should make no difference.
Speaker AAs he put it, quoting his own words from another case, popular religious views are easy enough to defend.
Speaker AIt is in protecting unpopular religious beliefs that we prove this country's commitment to religious freedom.
Speaker AThe Apache people are still fighting this battle.
Speaker AThe government plans to transfer Oak Flat to Resolution Copper imminently.
Speaker AOnce that happens, the destruction will be permanent, and a thousand years of Apache religious tradition will be buried under a corporate mining operation.
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