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Hello.
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is here.
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are we live?
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Are we live on the air again?
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You gotta warn me so I put pants on.
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Jesus.
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You do have an accessory today.
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is this?
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What do you got?
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Sling bag?
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my little baggie, my little dealer bag on for some reason.
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I don't know why.
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Greetings.
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How's it going?
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Greetings.
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Episode 137.
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Welcome back.
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37 we got a little this
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strength break.
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much longer than I expected it to be.
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I know.
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It's such a like computer made like salsa.
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It's so like, turkey.
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Yeah, 16, 16 bit, Sex in the City.
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And title.
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Good start.
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What's happening?
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Haven't seen much new Gorbo yet.
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So that's probably good for my health since we last talked.
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Good, probably good.
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How's the economy?
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still there, I guess.
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I don't know.
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I was texting, I think, I don't know if I said this last week, I texted a friend and I was
like, how are you dealing with, how are you dealing with all these changes, these
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flip-flops?
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Like, cause I know that they order a lot from China for their business.
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And by like that day, it was maybe 10 in the morning or something here.
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And by the time they responded, maybe within a half an hour, they were like, didn't you
see it's back already?
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They're off.
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And I was like, what again?
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It was like yesterday, these just came out.
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So, you know, since we've been starting talking, it could be different.
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I don't know.
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That's the worst of it.
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It's just, who knows?
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Because you've got a couple of things that come in from the overseas land, so yeah.
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Just a lot of them, yeah.
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And you have some on the way now that are like, in jeopardy as to whether they'll arrive
or not or what.
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I almost anxiously bought some more when the last round were announced.
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I know I considered it.
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Yeah.
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And then I, I texted you and I was like, dude, I don't know what to do.
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I'm just like, normally I feel like I have a good sense of like which way to go.
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And kind of by the time you, I think, message back or something, I was just like, no, like
cash is better than like product that I don't necessarily need at this moment.
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But I don't know.
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It's stupid to say the least.
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take.
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Yeah.
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I take a tub.
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Yeah, I'm glad to not be...
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Not that we have the same situation, but I'm glad not to have...
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Well, no, that's not true.
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We do rely on some imported stuff, not to on-sell, but like the clear coat product that we
switched to a few months ago is imported.
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Not ideal.
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Australian businesses just keep seeming to go out of business.
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Ones that sell water-based spray paint.
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don't seem to have a great track record in this country.
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So we're currently using a Swedish product.
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Which is one of the few imported ingredients that we have, but it's good.
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Seems to be a reliable supplier, so we'll just hang out there for a while until something
better comes along.
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I'm seeing prices go up already on things and I don't know.
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Yeah, I just like gotta take it day by day and I think the worst scenario.
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is if we got to start adjusting like pricing and cost price, you know, the costs and then
adjust our pricing and like, I mean, I've got apps that help you more quickly reprice
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things for Shopify, but like.
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cool.
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It doesn't like play like I still have to figure out like what my margin would be on all
those things, you know, like to even change the price.
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So it's like, you know, that's, that's a nightmare scenario of like chasing things up and
down and like trying to hold out on changing your price.
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If you sell a commodity items versus other people and
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Yeah, it's Tricky.
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I did, you know, because we did some price rise earlier this year and it was a whole lot
of work because I went to town calculating it all in Airtable.
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But in the end, was a bit like, by the end, I was like, oh, I probably just could have
done a blanket 5 % and it would have worked out fine.
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you at some point.
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I was like...
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well and it's just like yeah on average five percent would have done it because i didn't
even end i didn't end up putting in prices up on our on kidda parts like on our flagship
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product a couple of them actually dropped slightly when i recalculated them which is
probably silly thing to do to drop a price on something that's not a commodity product but
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anyway so weird
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But yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Meanwhile, everyone else puts all our supplies, put their prices up happily every year.
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mean, but regardless of the stupid tariffs, did, you know, I changed a couple of prices
just to kind of adjust where things were at and what kind of competition was.
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But I mean, in general, I kind of shared last week, but my best plan right now is to try
to prioritize making products that we can make.
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as much as we can here that don't have our reliance on an import or I mean, that's easier
said than done because like, it's just, we're in a very globalized, you know, society at
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this point.
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So that it's anything but that is kind of naive.
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You see that kind of comment, like, if you just made your, like I sent you the Haas drama
of like them saying that their stuff was going to like,
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jump in price and you should buy now and like that kind of open letter, right?
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They posted on their Instagram and then there was people adding themselves as...
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unfavorable supporters of the oligarchy, the fascists and
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And then all these people in the comments like, if you just made your machines in America,
it's like, well, that's the most naive thing.
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so many of those things are just only made in Asia, which I don't, these are just.
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things that everybody's saying,
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Mm.
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Yeah, yeah, feels like the best thing we can do as little micro businesses is just carry
on trying to innovate and make good stuff, right?
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Like, what?
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for failing.
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No, little bubbles.
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What else do we do other than continue to innovate, make good stuff out of local
ingredients where possible and yeah.
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Keep on keeping on.
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Right.
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Is that really, is just finish is really one of the only things that you import as a
necessity for products and...
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's stuff that I'm not thinking of like hinges, hinge
hardware, screws, stuff like that, that would all be imported.
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But yeah, pretty minimal in terms of the core ingredients, pretty minimal.
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aspects are coming in from overseas.
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Got a little message from the chat here.
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There's a nice little magical fees and tariffs.
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It's a different Mel, Drew Mel.
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It seems to be a subscription add-on from a company called Magical Apps that will let you
add magical fees and tariffs so that you can basically denote why you have an additional
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cost, I guess, what the fee is applied to product or order calculation.
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Examples, this product requires bottle deposit.
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So obviously you could put this, this requires a tariff.
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Add required fee surcharges tariffs and deposits to products or orders.
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Signior Debris, have we been joined by Signior Debris?
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No way.
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Excellent.
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I like how we just get, we get one, we get one new.
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Doug and Mel.
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Yeah.
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Very, it's very expensive to be on this live stream.
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Fantastic.
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Welcome Drew.
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I didn't know you had a real name.
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Nice to meet you.
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Fantastic.
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how it is.
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Oops, oops, we might have to bleep that out.
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ME!
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So what did think of this video?
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What video?
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the best video of the week.
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The video, the witty witty witty.
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Okay, go boys are back.
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I loved it.
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Justin sent me robots.
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I like it when you send me robots.
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And this time it was in the form of the latest okay go video, which whenever an okay go
video drops, I'm always pretty quick to run to YouTube and check it out.
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But I was like, no, don't have a...
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screen larger than my phone on my person for the next few hours.
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I'm gonna wait.
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And so I waited and watched it on the 4k at home.
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I was like, mmm good.
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And then I watched it about six more times.
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Showed Laura and then watched the behind the scenes.
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Mmm good.
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And I was interesting.
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I had this weird sense watching.
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I had a subtle sense of loss watching that video.
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because it ticked so many boxes in terms of what I love about video making and have
enjoyed about photography and video making in the past.
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And I was like, I used to do bits of this.
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Like this was, it used to be part of my sort of creative output.
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worked on short films, I've worked on sets.
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I've worked on a lot of music videos way back when and then
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watching that video and particularly watching behind the scenes I was like aww aww it
makes me bit sad because this could have you know could have in another another life
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another reality it could have been me making this shit yeah but it was a very very good
video very enjoyable and pretty amazing from just a technical standpoint
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Can you hear me?
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Yeah.
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Have we got technical problems?
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My browser seems to have completely locked up where I'm recording this.
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I can hear you.
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I can't see anything change and I can't change anything in the browser, which is wild.
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Doug and I are still here.
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I don't understand how it's still working.
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think Doug is gaslighting us though.
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Do do do do.
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Be interesting if it comes back.
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Ooh.
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got some bubbles bubbles bubbles do you need to re- do you need to re-invite Doug or will
he find his way?
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I think he's...
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says there's one person here.
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Cool, I stayed in here.
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Don't know.
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Okay, it's recording again.
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Welcome to the behind the scenes where we combat technology for 30 % of each episode
recording.
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ever recording him this time instead of at the beginning of the chapters is going to go in
about eight minutes and go technical difficulties
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Where were we?
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okay, go.
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Sorry, I got distracted I have a little bit of a like, okay, guys, that's enough.
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Okay, going.
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Like, there's just like, I'm always, every time I watch it, I'm like, it's really, really
good.
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It's like, you know, fantastic.
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I can't believe you did this like every time, but also it was just.
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I kind of like regretfully clicked on it.
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And then when I did, was like, oh no, this is, this one's different.
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This one's like kind of amazing, particularly because they use you are robots like crazy
throughout the whole thing.
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And like they really heavily rely on mirrors and the robots to like I was saying to you,
feel like trick your senses into like this perfected prismatic reflecting craziness and
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I also was thinking about like how quickly they're moving these things like around their
necks, these mirrors with robots.
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And it's just like, I don't want to see anybody lose a head real quick.
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Yeah, you'd struggle to shoot something like that in Australia, I think.
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I think they shot in Hungary, Budapest.
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I wonder whether there was any sort of regulatory looseness that made that easier.
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Don't know.
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But yeah, looking, like having big industrial Cukas, because it's not just UR, there's the
big Cuka bots as well, towards the end.
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Yeah, there's like six of them, like in when the set gets bigger towards the end.
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I don't know, maybe you can get away with it in a filming context, but yeah, you can't
even use a cobot in Australia without lasers and light curtains and stuff.
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their whole point.
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I know.
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I think, yeah, chatting to this cobot rep recently, that's well, that's my current
understanding is that, yeah, if I got a cobot in here doing sanding, I would need some
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sort of safety.
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You can do it with cameras, like looking for humans and then locking it out in certain
view range or whatever, or light curtains or pad sensors or blah,
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Because I think the argument is that they can still hurt you.
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Yes, they have sort of pressure sensitivity, but they can still like throw a tool in your
face if they're working and you're silly enough to walk within, walk into the end effector
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zone.
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It needs like one of those like dog surgery cones at the end.
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It's like it's got its own little buffer zone on the end of it.
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Doug.
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Doug the dog.
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dog
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I've only just met you, but I love you!
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Speaking of cobots, I got a quote yesterday on selling my wide belt sander and my edge
sander.
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Just out of was like, what are these puppies worth?
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Yep.
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And they thought I could get...
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no, no, I'd done my research.
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His estimate was very similar to what I'd sort of thought.
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And 30 to 35k for my wide belt, which is great because we only paid 47 for it six years
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Pretty happy with that.
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It remains to be seen if we can actually sell it, of course, but...
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and like three and a half of the edge sander.
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So yeah, decent.
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I think we paid 6K for the Edge sander maybe eight years ago.
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Yeah, so yeah, they seem to be holding their value recently well.
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So I was.
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invest in is tooling apparently.
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I was immediately fantasizing about that and what I would do with that.
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Fantasy gem was like, Cobot please.
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And then rational gem was like, cash in the bank please.
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So we'll see who wins that conversation.
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of like having cash in the bank?
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Cash in the shop.
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But yes, I'm desperate to make a unhinged cobot that talks to you and does sanding duties
begrudgingly.
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I got an inquiry similarly from somebody on our NAC accounts of how we used to make those.
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I guess you can't see it, but back behind me, maybe you can see it.
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There's an iMac stand.
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We made those for, I don't know, two years.
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And then I discontinued the iMac.
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So we stopped making them because it just seemed silly to like sell a product for a
discontinued product.
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And...
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I always struggled to make the right amount of profit.
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It was like kind of my first dabbling into making products ourselves.
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And a lot of my NAC products before were printed things that were outsourced.
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I never actually produced those myself.
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were, what would you even say?
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Like just produced for us.
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So I had to out presses and all that kind of stuff.
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that iMac stand was one of the first things we made like on the router finished.
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produced the whole thing in our shop.
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And I've had a few people over the years say, hey, there's new types of, you know, Apple
screens, iMacs out there, would you consider this?
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And I've kind of like looked into it each time and gone, no, you know, it's not the best
plan right now.
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And this was the first time where I was like, hmm, maybe if I did do it.
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And the two thoughts I had was to use kind of the same angled chamfered big bevel on the
sides on a big piece of wood, because it's about four inches tall for the tallest one.
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And then I was like, you know, instead of the hardest part about that is the same as your
bevels on your shelves is there's a big bevel and you've got a hand sand out that face to
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finish it.
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And I was like,
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What if I just get like a sanding attachment for the router?
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Like it's a continuous surface typically and I could tool change two or three of them to
do different grits and just make a big cylindric sanding thing, make some crazy dust boot.
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Sanding aggregate, yeah.
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I had a tooling rep drop in a few weeks ago and he hasn't sent me what he was gonna send
me yet, but we talked about what we've talked about here of like, basically you're that,
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like a tool changing sanding.
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thing the CNC can pick up doesn't necessarily have to fit in the like our tool carousel
might be bigger diameter, but you know, manual tool change in and then it can while the
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after roughing pass, chamfer pass, then you tool change in the sanding head and it runs
around the kit apart, chamfers and then you tool change out and it does the finishing pass
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and releases from the vacuum table.
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He was like, yeah, I've supplied
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Things like that to other companies, usually they're running on like a five access
machine, so bigger tool, member load, bigger tool swing and stuff, but it sounds like it's
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feasible.
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He didn't have that much experience with them in terms of he didn't know like what the
tool life was like.
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Cause we talked about the fact that it's kind of, it's a pretty small surface area.
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I have always imagined that it would just clog way too quickly to be cost effective.
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But he said there's
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There's a few different ways of doing it.
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You can do it with a grit or can do it with a flap wheel geometry.
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Like a grinding flap where it's just the paper bits and that can slowly wear down.
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You get a lot more life out of it.
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Anyway, I'm super curious.
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It reminds me I should follow up with him.
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Sandy Man.
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probably too naive.
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think somebody brought this up to us when we were doing them the first time, because we
have a custom tool made to cut the angle on them.
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And that's beautiful, but you still, no matter what, you're going to end up sanding it
to...
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Like the surface is so nice until you have to start sanding it.
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And no matter what, blending filleted corners on a chamfer is just tough.
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quite a bit of time and that's where all your profit goes is the hand touching is way too
much on those products.
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No matter how cool and everything else you try to design them.
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I was just thinking if I could, mean, the stupidest way would be 3D print the right shape,
attach sandpaper to it, attach it to like a rod that goes in a tool holder.
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I don't know.
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Probably crazy.
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Be fun to try.
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What could go wrong?
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simple.
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Well, my spindle can't go very slow.
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That's our spindle.
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All I think it's like minimum something like 2000 or 1800 rpms.
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Which is pretty fast for sanding, I think.
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I don't know what a
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a 3D printed arbor.
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I don't know what a Merca spins at, I bet it's not a whole lot faster than or slower than
that.
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Faster or slower?
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Anyway.
315
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yeah a cool thing to play I hadn't thought about 3d printing sanding attachments that's
cool I did think yeah it should work why not yeah well this still have it still have a
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steel arbor
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Wouldn't 3d print the armor.
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Thank you.
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Just twists off right away.
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Solid infill would be fine.
323
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Yeah, cool.
324
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Yeah, yeah.
325
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Meow.
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I did, speaking of 3D printing tools, I did some research last night because Rodeo, who's
building the PS2, was here yesterday and we're talking about tooling strategies on the
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pencil sharpener, one and two.
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And with the new crafted hardwoods, black butt stock, it's a bit more chippy, crispy.
329
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harder.
330
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It's a bit harder to get like crisp threads on it.
331
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And we've halved our chip load on the PS1.
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So basically the chamfering tool is running at double the RPM of what it was to try and
get the same threaded result, which means we're building up more heat.
333
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And Ryo was asking us to, you know, why we don't run it even faster again to get it
crispy.
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I was like, trying to find that balance between tool life, you know, they're relatively
expensive custom.
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thread mills that we have ground and, you know, obviously wanted to last.
336
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And radio was asking like why the walk and then we call them with like a air blast.
337
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I was like, maybe, yeah, that could help tool life.
338
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And then it reminded me of these cool things called vortex tubes, vortex cooling tubes.
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You ever seen this?
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They're like a completely static object.
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You feed.
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compressed air into one end and you get hot air out one end and chilled air out the other
and they do this cool like physics vortex inside and you can get like minus 50 degrees out
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of one end allegedly and apparently yeah they are used in some machining applications as a
cooling option and my brain immediately went to cool can I 3D print one so I think they're
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about 300 bucks US
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just about one to play with but
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Need like a little bucket of coolant that you just go and dip it in real quick.
347
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That's you need your arm for.
348
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But I can't get my, I can't get my shtick sweat, It's timber.
349
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tip all lubey?
350
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Yeah, that's interesting.
351
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mean, can you, is it a rigidity problem?
352
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Like why can't you cut at the same speed as you used to?
353
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Did you say that?
354
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We've gone at the same speed, but we've doubled the RPM.
355
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we've reduced.
356
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Yeah.
357
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We're trying to reduce the chip load to get a cleaner thread.
358
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because of geometry, like the kinematics are different or like, you just can't pull off
the same kind of thing as you did on the other machine.
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yeah it's just the stocks more brittle fragile
360
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sorry, I thought you were talking about the, I think about the new PS2 was like not as
capable.
361
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Sorry.
362
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the change in timber on the PS1.
363
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Yeah, so just fiddling with the machining strategies on that to try and get a better
result, which will inform tool passing on the PS2 obviously, yeah, don't know.
364
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It is, yep, custom ground cupboard.
365
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I don't know.
366
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I mean, it's not a slotting operation.
367
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There's great chip evacuation.
368
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Even in the female bore, that's not the issue.
369
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It's just we've sped up the spindle, which is fine.
370
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We've kind of done it at a level where we're comfortable.
371
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It's not like cooking it.
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But we know if we did slow it down even more, we'd get a better thread again.
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I don't know.
374
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Ice cold air.
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one pass?
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No, single pass thread.
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Try a second pass.
378
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to get a cleaner result.
379
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The damage is kind of already done.
380
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I suppose we could split the passes, maybe that would get a...
381
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Yeah, if we did half half.
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or even, mean, typically the best case, right, is like lesser on the second pass, but we
could try both.
383
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Something.
384
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yeah, yeah, let's say like a roughing and a finishing approach.
385
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much.
386
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Yeah, Interesting thought.
387
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Herman.
388
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for just finishing.
389
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It's only got two spindles man, come on.
390
00:29:27,202 --> 00:29:28,305
yeah, no good thought.
391
00:29:28,305 --> 00:29:30,289
Haven't thought about double passing it.
392
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That's curious.
393
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That'd be easy enough to try.
394
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I don't know much about, I'm not like by any means we thread with form taps on the middle
and that's about my only threading experience.
395
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And that just kind of works always, just magic.
396
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Hmm.
397
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Yeah.
398
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lost your window.
399
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Oh there you are,
400
00:30:02,819 --> 00:30:04,371
Do a really good cat.
401
00:30:08,416 --> 00:30:11,316
it's giving me like ASMR trickster.
402
00:30:12,995 --> 00:30:13,388
Wow.
403
00:30:13,388 --> 00:30:16,011
Definitely.
404
00:30:17,507 --> 00:30:20,793
I haven't bought a co- yeah, probably.
405
00:30:20,793 --> 00:30:25,741
I haven't bought a cobot, but I did get my retail therapy this week.
406
00:30:26,063 --> 00:30:28,225
Buying a new soldering iron.
407
00:30:29,763 --> 00:30:30,834
It's a little different.
408
00:30:30,962 --> 00:30:32,788
I've never, it's also a hundred bucks.
409
00:30:32,788 --> 00:30:34,627
I'm sorry.
410
00:30:34,627 --> 00:30:36,264
Same price, same.
411
00:30:37,363 --> 00:30:38,903
but it's fantastic.
412
00:30:38,983 --> 00:30:42,845
It's a T, is it?
413
00:30:42,845 --> 00:30:44,425
TS101.
414
00:30:45,565 --> 00:30:48,743
It runs on USB-C entirely.
415
00:30:48,743 --> 00:30:52,547
So you can just run it on a battery bank and walk around with it in your pocket.
416
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Solder wherever you want.
417
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Heats up in like five seconds.
418
00:30:57,349 --> 00:31:02,770
And I got excited about it because my grandfather.
419
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pioneered the first sort of heat electric soldering iron and manufactured them for long
time in Australia.
420
00:31:16,776 --> 00:31:18,476
And that was like his thing.
421
00:31:18,476 --> 00:31:23,036
Like he built a successful business making soldering irons.
422
00:31:24,616 --> 00:31:29,776
And so when I saw this thing on Rodeo's desk a few weeks ago, was like, hang on, what is
that?
423
00:31:29,776 --> 00:31:31,756
It heats up in five seconds.
424
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I simply must have one now.
425
00:31:35,883 --> 00:31:36,747
Haha.
426
00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:41,412
And it's a fantastic little thing.
427
00:31:41,412 --> 00:31:44,255
Now I just want to solder all the projects, but yeah, highly recommend.
428
00:31:44,255 --> 00:31:47,267
If you need a good soldering iron, this thing's sick.
429
00:31:47,267 --> 00:31:50,387
Do you do sold there much?
430
00:31:50,693 --> 00:31:51,164
I do.
431
00:31:51,164 --> 00:31:55,890
Yeah, I'll use this holding iron, you know, maybe once a fortnight.
432
00:31:57,132 --> 00:31:58,789
Semi-regulate, yeah.
433
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:59,681
don't really get it.
434
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Is that because of PS2?
435
00:32:01,967 --> 00:32:02,891
No.
436
00:32:03,043 --> 00:32:03,779
No, no.
437
00:32:03,779 --> 00:32:04,879
Hmm.
438
00:32:05,859 --> 00:32:06,739
Interesting.
439
00:32:06,739 --> 00:32:10,599
I don't really get into, I have one, but I don't use it much.
440
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:13,139
Like once a year, maybe.
441
00:32:13,629 --> 00:32:26,731
Yeah, Yeah, I think suppose playing with LEDs, doing lighting projects, doing a little,
yeah, I don't know why I use one, but I do pretty regularly.
442
00:32:27,212 --> 00:32:28,893
check it out, LinkedIn show notes.
443
00:32:28,893 --> 00:32:30,114
Yeah, it's fun.
444
00:32:30,851 --> 00:32:31,071
Good.
445
00:32:31,071 --> 00:32:32,027
That's a good one.
446
00:32:34,936 --> 00:32:38,706
I haven't been sleeping super well.
447
00:32:38,735 --> 00:32:40,251
Just keep staying up till 8.
448
00:32:45,506 --> 00:32:48,206
Add to my quarterly distribution.
449
00:32:50,146 --> 00:32:59,326
I guess I'm a couple of weeks late now, but I actually did it, you know, like processed
where money should go for my profit.
450
00:32:59,626 --> 00:33:01,666
Cause we're like on the calendar year.
451
00:33:02,366 --> 00:33:03,466
Quarterly.
452
00:33:04,606 --> 00:33:14,143
I finally took my old spreadsheet that you started, Laura started, and I basically just
like ignored 90 % of.
453
00:33:14,143 --> 00:33:19,776
what was mostly your business rehashing and was using like two pages of it.
454
00:33:19,776 --> 00:33:26,419
And it was great at the time, but as 2025 rolled around, had no way to continue using it
basically.
455
00:33:26,419 --> 00:33:29,200
So I just stopped as I had mentioned here.
456
00:33:29,401 --> 00:33:34,313
However, I threw it at the best thing I have right now, which is GPT.
457
00:33:34,313 --> 00:33:37,065
I would have given it to Claude if I had access.
458
00:33:37,065 --> 00:33:40,493
Still I've got five days left until my subscription.
459
00:33:40,493 --> 00:33:44,606
It is driving me crazy because GPT sucks at so many things.
460
00:33:44,806 --> 00:33:46,387
So many things.
461
00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:48,808
Cloud is so much better.
462
00:33:51,131 --> 00:33:53,007
tried to get it to have me rehash it.
463
00:33:53,007 --> 00:33:58,015
It took like a million tries and it finally got me like the most basic.
464
00:33:58,196 --> 00:34:04,299
What I ended up having it do is make an app script for Google Sheets.
465
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:09,109
So it could generate using my old, the spreadsheet you had made.
466
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:14,413
It gave access to it and then regenerated copying over some of the data.
467
00:34:14,413 --> 00:34:20,216
Cause I didn't want to lose all my old like logging from before.
468
00:34:20,499 --> 00:34:21,909
It makes sense.
469
00:34:21,952 --> 00:34:22,823
deeper demo?
470
00:34:22,823 --> 00:34:30,769
was GPT driving Google Sheets directly or it was just giving you stuff to copy and paste
over.
471
00:34:30,769 --> 00:34:31,632
Okay.
472
00:34:31,632 --> 00:34:34,312
into a app script.
473
00:34:34,312 --> 00:34:37,392
I think it's what it's called inside of Google Sheets.
474
00:34:37,392 --> 00:34:45,052
You like make a new sheet app script and it opens up a new page, which is just, it's a
goofy process.
475
00:34:45,052 --> 00:34:59,152
And then it runs, creates another page, which is like completely raw, new, unstyled, which
I don't know if it can do styling, but somewhat linked.
476
00:34:59,245 --> 00:35:07,172
or three pages and then I took it from there and I couldn't get it to really copy over
because it was transposed and it couldn't figure out how to transpose from horizontal to
477
00:35:07,172 --> 00:35:08,163
vertical.
478
00:35:10,029 --> 00:35:11,204
How stupid.
479
00:35:13,861 --> 00:35:15,073
And all that said, I finally got it working.
480
00:35:15,073 --> 00:35:20,653
I went through and I logged all my 2025, because it's still been happening on my bank.
481
00:35:20,853 --> 00:35:26,393
I just haven't been keeping track of it in another way to be like a little more analytical
about it.
482
00:35:26,393 --> 00:35:35,653
So I just a couple, I gave myself a couple more points of owner pay, which is still vastly
below what it's supposed to be.
483
00:35:35,813 --> 00:35:37,801
nice to be moving in that direction.
484
00:35:37,801 --> 00:35:39,961
We just did our taxes.
485
00:35:40,497 --> 00:35:43,288
the accountant, because they were due yesterday.
486
00:35:44,658 --> 00:35:49,586
I had saved more than triple the amount I needed for taxes, which was nice.
487
00:35:50,687 --> 00:35:56,069
Which means the account, well, there's just a million factors with like.
488
00:35:57,709 --> 00:36:00,761
Equipment was bought so that did it deducted a bunch.
489
00:36:00,761 --> 00:36:13,178
I had interest payments on loans that deducted a bunch we had remainder of healthcare
expenses from either like I don't even remember what it was this time not IVF but So just
490
00:36:13,178 --> 00:36:23,704
all amasses into this This is why we hire accountants because it's like we just throw all
this stuff out of like I don't know in this year The return was only 90 pages, but usually
491
00:36:23,704 --> 00:36:25,777
it's like over 120
492
00:36:26,192 --> 00:36:31,626
our tax return of like all the things that get submitted, just crazy.
493
00:36:32,107 --> 00:36:32,969
Too many things.
494
00:36:32,969 --> 00:36:41,222
But all that said, I had been saving with profit first taxes, which normally I really
hadn't.
495
00:36:41,222 --> 00:36:44,758
I just kind of like hoped there's enough money sitting around somewhere.
496
00:36:45,399 --> 00:36:50,563
And I had plenty, plenty of money saved, which was delightful.
497
00:36:51,854 --> 00:36:52,894
That's awesome.
498
00:36:53,321 --> 00:36:56,542
especially in the regard that it's like Erin and I are paying taxes.
499
00:36:57,023 --> 00:37:02,224
You know, my business gets passed through with the LLC kind of things, which is pretty
normal here.
500
00:37:02,845 --> 00:37:10,128
And typically when we have to like pay something for taxes versus like getting a refund,
it comes out of our personal accounts.
501
00:37:10,128 --> 00:37:14,100
And I was like, Hey, hey, hey, Erin, I've got money for this in the business.
502
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:14,780
Did you know that?
503
00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:22,833
And she's like, It probably makes a lot of no sense because our systems are so different.
504
00:37:23,752 --> 00:37:24,489
cool.
505
00:37:24,489 --> 00:37:35,021
I haven't done any of those quarterly things at all because there's been nothing to
distribute because we've been paying off debts the whole time.
506
00:37:36,282 --> 00:37:38,524
There hasn't been like a, which is good.
507
00:37:38,524 --> 00:37:39,986
You know, last year we paid.
508
00:37:39,986 --> 00:37:41,619
profit then and pay it off?
509
00:37:42,286 --> 00:37:45,426
Yeah, all the profit has just been going straight to debt.
510
00:37:48,226 --> 00:37:52,466
Yeah, like fortnightly payments.
511
00:37:52,486 --> 00:37:59,146
Last year it was fortnightly payments and we paid off our ATO debt pretty quickly over the
course of the year anyway.
512
00:37:59,346 --> 00:38:11,806
So I haven't done that and since it kind of sucks because like we finished paying the tax
debt or ATO debt right like right on the end of 2024 which was like sweet we did that in
513
00:38:11,806 --> 00:38:12,385
like
514
00:38:12,385 --> 00:38:13,985
nine months, fantastic.
515
00:38:14,246 --> 00:38:17,888
And now it's like, cool, now we owe ourselves a shit ton of money.
516
00:38:19,189 --> 00:38:21,770
And we've done, and then the business slumped.
517
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:25,422
And so like January for every March, it's been slow.
518
00:38:25,422 --> 00:38:27,833
There hasn't really been any profit.
519
00:38:27,833 --> 00:38:32,416
And so like we've stopped paying debt, the debt to ourselves.
520
00:38:33,777 --> 00:38:37,339
And it's frustrating because we're like, well, damn, we made such good progress last year.
521
00:38:37,339 --> 00:38:38,539
Now it just kind of stopped.
522
00:38:38,539 --> 00:38:42,091
And it kind of feels like that thing of like, cause it's not a third party.
523
00:38:42,637 --> 00:38:43,757
that we're paying back.
524
00:38:43,757 --> 00:38:50,137
It's like, oh, you know, it's easier to make excuses or not move money where it should be
going and stuff like that.
525
00:38:51,477 --> 00:38:55,097
But we've had a few more positive weeks.
526
00:38:55,597 --> 00:38:57,637
The last few weeks have been looking up.
527
00:38:57,637 --> 00:39:02,817
We've come close to target or hit target last few weeks, which has been reassuring.
528
00:39:02,837 --> 00:39:08,977
And it's funny last Thursday, because I've moved my distribution day to like a Tuesday
night.
529
00:39:09,457 --> 00:39:12,868
like Wednesday, Thursday is the start of my
530
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:26,080
make some money and then weekend and then Monday Tuesday is like oh I've got two days left
come on let's and so Thursday last week I was like this is going really well we've made
531
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:37,820
great progress these two days like bank accounts looking good on track I think I chatted
to you Friday morning feeling really positive and then Monday morning rolls around after
532
00:39:37,820 --> 00:39:42,360
the weekend and I paid superannuation and payroll
533
00:39:43,149 --> 00:39:56,949
before 9am I'd already paid like 20 grand, I'd already paid like 21 thousand dollars in
bills before 9am on two coffees and no breakfast and my body was just like, went into like
534
00:39:56,949 --> 00:40:08,009
shock of like, bleh, like ready to just like go and vomit with anxiety and I had to like
walk myself around the block, just get some sunshine and something from the bakery to put
535
00:40:08,009 --> 00:40:09,129
some food in my system.
536
00:40:09,129 --> 00:40:11,549
was like, it's gonna be okay.
537
00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:16,051
It was just like the classic like small business rollercoaster.
538
00:40:16,051 --> 00:40:18,396
like, this is going well.
539
00:40:19,802 --> 00:40:20,761
There goes all the money.
540
00:40:20,761 --> 00:40:22,742
That's the craziest.
541
00:40:22,742 --> 00:40:31,567
mean, I've every week basically probably reported those things here, but we had this
absolutely bonkers January completely out of nowhere.
542
00:40:32,208 --> 00:40:34,389
We didn't do anything to cause it.
543
00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:36,311
Advertising was working.
544
00:40:36,311 --> 00:40:37,638
People were spending money.
545
00:40:37,638 --> 00:40:38,753
I don't know.
546
00:40:38,753 --> 00:40:45,737
Like over double, over double what our normal monthly should be.
547
00:40:45,740 --> 00:40:46,389
Hmm.
548
00:40:46,389 --> 00:40:52,113
which is just crazy and it was mostly product related, but you know, amazing.
549
00:40:52,113 --> 00:40:54,324
I have profit first set up all of this stuff.
550
00:40:54,324 --> 00:40:56,516
It's moving the money into the right places.
551
00:40:56,516 --> 00:41:00,338
I'm not spending really much more than I want to.
552
00:41:00,338 --> 00:41:07,783
And it's just like, know, February was a little bit slower, March bottomed out and all of
that money just disappears over two months.
553
00:41:07,783 --> 00:41:12,797
You know, it's like, it's just madness.
554
00:41:12,797 --> 00:41:16,489
And I think as I'm looking at the ratios again,
555
00:41:17,855 --> 00:41:24,018
now that I have it all in one place, what do I do?
556
00:41:24,018 --> 00:41:36,553
Do I create another account that's like rainy day fund that's like, I don't know, stealing
from OpEx additionally so that I have more money that I don't think I have?
557
00:41:36,553 --> 00:41:41,235
I don't know, I don't know what.
558
00:41:42,296 --> 00:41:45,717
And I always just come back to this like, well, you can just always make more money.
559
00:41:45,717 --> 00:41:51,963
That's one option or save money or fake, fake yourself out and store it somewhere else.
560
00:41:51,963 --> 00:41:54,726
It's like my three options that I can think of.
561
00:41:54,726 --> 00:42:09,422
And I just feel so mental still how can have this like record month and then it just feels
like it's gone two months later without like, I didn't go buy any major tools or anything.
562
00:42:09,422 --> 00:42:12,443
Yeah.
563
00:42:12,443 --> 00:42:21,728
We made the decision to up our sort of weekly revenue target to try and cover this, to try
and cover like two slow months a year.
564
00:42:21,748 --> 00:42:30,752
Like let's up our increase over the whole year and so that we've got a bit of a reserve
fund to cover the sort of summer slump for us.
565
00:42:31,453 --> 00:42:34,565
And we did that, but we just haven't been hitting targets.
566
00:42:34,565 --> 00:42:35,595
So there's no...
567
00:42:35,615 --> 00:42:41,997
you know, all the accounts are on the low side, barely managing to cover costs, but it's
not building up.
568
00:42:42,398 --> 00:42:47,580
And I guess the purpose of building up this year is to cover next year's low point, but we
don't have that now.
569
00:42:47,580 --> 00:42:53,402
So I don't know, it's a bit of a catch 22 tricky thing.
570
00:42:54,343 --> 00:42:59,245
We just need a month's revenue dumped in there just to get us ahead.
571
00:42:59,245 --> 00:43:03,977
then we can, yes please, just one extra month somewhere.
572
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:06,230
Somewhere please.
573
00:43:06,271 --> 00:43:08,082
I pretty much had that and it's gone.
574
00:43:08,082 --> 00:43:10,810
That's what's so insane making.
575
00:43:10,810 --> 00:43:13,177
This is like, I had that extra month.
576
00:43:14,899 --> 00:43:17,481
Anyway, I all said.
577
00:43:20,063 --> 00:43:34,322
You know, it wasn't a crazy amount, but like, I'm very glad that I was saving for taxes,
which sounds crazy, but like, you know, it's just the way things have worked out from the
578
00:43:34,322 --> 00:43:38,404
basically the front of pandemic till last year.
579
00:43:38,404 --> 00:43:40,305
Like I, it just.
580
00:43:42,247 --> 00:43:51,672
It didn't really make sense to save a lot for taxes because of the way we were reinvesting
in like all the, all the factors.
581
00:43:51,672 --> 00:43:52,592
So,
582
00:43:54,849 --> 00:43:56,689
I wouldn't have otherwise.
583
00:43:56,769 --> 00:44:10,589
I I'm now, I changed my tax savings going forward because I feel like it needs to be more
as we go forward because we are doing better every month usually, well not continuously,
584
00:44:10,589 --> 00:44:19,229
but every year we're more revenue and thus more taxes.
585
00:44:21,051 --> 00:44:22,397
Small mo.
586
00:44:23,335 --> 00:44:24,924
We'll see how it goes, who knows.
587
00:44:24,924 --> 00:44:25,435
forever.
588
00:44:25,435 --> 00:44:28,971
What's that thing from that Miranda July film?
589
00:44:28,971 --> 00:44:30,613
Back and forth forever.
590
00:44:38,967 --> 00:44:52,861
I did a little review yesterday of how the new beta Kitterparts configurator is going,
because it's becoming more and more important in my sort of sales workflow.
591
00:44:52,861 --> 00:44:54,471
More people are using it.
592
00:44:55,671 --> 00:45:01,713
I still have add to cart disabled, because there's still bugs in it, which sort of...
593
00:45:01,865 --> 00:45:06,876
kind of overpricing some components or double, there's duplication happening, which I
haven't entirely gotten rid of.
594
00:45:06,876 --> 00:45:10,267
So don't want people to check out the wrong parts.
595
00:45:10,868 --> 00:45:14,728
So everything's manually coming through me, which is fine for now.
596
00:45:15,009 --> 00:45:24,631
But I've done the last two months, I think since it's been online, I've done 25K in sales
through it, which was more than I thought.
597
00:45:26,012 --> 00:45:27,332
Pretty happy with that.
598
00:45:27,732 --> 00:45:30,378
But I was like, cool, I should do a review of this, just...
599
00:45:30,378 --> 00:45:41,838
I've had curiosity to see where it's at, but also kind of look at, you know, what I'm
offering like a very, for us, what is a very significant discount of 15 % on sales through
600
00:45:41,838 --> 00:45:43,958
it as an incentive to get people to use.
601
00:45:43,958 --> 00:45:48,338
I was like, I worked out what that cost me, so to speak, in discounts.
602
00:45:48,378 --> 00:45:59,617
And it's more than I was paying for the VividWorks configurator, which is kind of a mute
argument in a way, because it's like no one was really using and checking out using the...
603
00:45:59,721 --> 00:46:02,901
vivid one anyway, but I was just like, oh, that's funny.
604
00:46:03,101 --> 00:46:10,721
I've I've spent, I've lost sort of like $1,800 in discounts, but I've had great engagement
with it.
605
00:46:10,721 --> 00:46:11,241
I don't know.
606
00:46:11,241 --> 00:46:12,817
I'm basically, I don't care.
607
00:46:12,817 --> 00:46:13,660
that,
608
00:46:15,143 --> 00:46:16,360
More and more.
609
00:46:16,393 --> 00:46:17,697
15%.
610
00:46:19,083 --> 00:46:19,401
Yeah.
611
00:46:19,401 --> 00:46:25,507
It's early, I might have done the math wrong, but anyway, basically it's going well.
612
00:46:25,555 --> 00:46:27,035
All right, that's very good.
613
00:46:27,035 --> 00:46:29,875
I mean, as you were saying that I was thinking.
614
00:46:32,498 --> 00:46:44,339
what a bigger company would do most likely or one that's more aggressive about sales, like
doing the perfect thing to convert, right?
615
00:46:44,339 --> 00:46:52,687
Would be convert it if there's problems, refund or change the order after, but at least
you've captured the sale.
616
00:46:52,811 --> 00:46:54,144
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
617
00:46:54,355 --> 00:47:06,515
And I think there's probably something to be said about at some point, yeah, fix all the
problems you can, but give yourself a deadline of like at the end of this month, well, A,
618
00:47:06,515 --> 00:47:09,835
I would drop your discount a little bit, maybe go to 10 % or something.
619
00:47:09,835 --> 00:47:19,271
But then also, also just give yourself a deadline and be like, still call it beta, give
them warning, but.
620
00:47:19,271 --> 00:47:27,479
Let them check out, just see if I bet you convert more because I bet people are like not
wanting to wait around and they don't understand the process of how it would work
621
00:47:27,479 --> 00:47:28,402
otherwise.
622
00:47:28,402 --> 00:47:33,299
yeah maybe, yep, yep yep.
623
00:47:33,299 --> 00:47:33,920
What's the worst?
624
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,850
You're still just going to have the same kind of like, you can still check in with them,
right?
625
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,730
I think I'll still get both.
626
00:47:42,730 --> 00:47:44,026
this is a problem.
627
00:47:45,078 --> 00:47:54,721
Yeah, look, I'm part of me because I'm really enjoying the process of seeing someone's
configuration come in and going and then actually workshopping it with them and evaluating
628
00:47:54,721 --> 00:47:56,762
to that process of like, cool.
629
00:47:56,762 --> 00:47:57,802
What about we do this?
630
00:47:57,802 --> 00:48:06,861
And if you don't use that component, it'll be cheaper for you and blah, blah, So that's
been really enjoyable just like from a customer service point of view.
631
00:48:06,861 --> 00:48:11,956
But yeah, I think even if I turn add to cart on, I'll still get that.
632
00:48:12,078 --> 00:48:14,893
For people who do want to customize, that's not going to go away.
633
00:48:14,893 --> 00:48:17,162
yeah, do touch turn it on.
634
00:48:18,376 --> 00:48:26,411
offering both with some minor note of like, there's a chance there's mistakes and if so,
we'll figure it out.
635
00:48:26,793 --> 00:48:28,054
Do the right thing.
636
00:48:28,364 --> 00:48:29,776
Okay, hold me to account.
637
00:48:29,776 --> 00:48:32,169
It's gonna happen by next recording.
638
00:48:32,169 --> 00:48:33,229
Let's go.
639
00:48:34,493 --> 00:48:35,439
Do it.
640
00:48:37,308 --> 00:48:46,949
Is there any way to like track conversion of people that use the, the configurator to
something check out, move forward.
641
00:48:47,435 --> 00:48:48,616
know.
642
00:48:48,989 --> 00:48:50,749
Maybe.
643
00:48:51,922 --> 00:48:53,123
it probably is.
644
00:48:53,255 --> 00:48:54,694
I don't know how to do it, but...
645
00:48:54,694 --> 00:48:55,816
Me neither.
646
00:49:00,086 --> 00:49:01,160
yeah.
647
00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:01,531
Mr.
648
00:49:01,531 --> 00:49:03,472
Debris, do you have any ideas?
649
00:49:04,225 --> 00:49:06,267
sure they do.
650
00:49:11,013 --> 00:49:17,229
I have a quick call to potential listeners or people that know people.
651
00:49:17,429 --> 00:49:25,196
We are working on products related to mostly high schools, I would say.
652
00:49:25,738 --> 00:49:34,879
High schools, as I've talked about, these schools that come and visit us, we've gone and
I've gone to see their schools and I've come up with this kind of series of
653
00:49:34,879 --> 00:49:36,890
Products that we're working on.
654
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:38,691
It's probably more like a year out.
655
00:49:38,691 --> 00:49:53,289
I would say six months and I basically just want kind of like a group of educators to
discuss Options with like what they might want If they're interested at all, so if you are
656
00:49:53,299 --> 00:50:02,294
an educator Could be colleges, but I would assume high schools would be a better fit maybe
middle schools Primary schools is how you call them
657
00:50:05,255 --> 00:50:12,135
No, that's just the, just, just the, That makes sense.
658
00:50:12,135 --> 00:50:13,968
So do you call them middle and high then?
659
00:50:14,479 --> 00:50:17,108
We just have high school, middle school is another thing here.
660
00:50:18,525 --> 00:50:20,033
Hmm, so you just kind of split the, I see.
661
00:50:20,033 --> 00:50:21,485
Yeah.
662
00:50:21,485 --> 00:50:22,825
high, high.
663
00:50:23,225 --> 00:50:26,005
When you're about 12, 13, you go to high school.
664
00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:28,425
And you do six years of high school.
665
00:50:29,994 --> 00:50:30,804
Right.
666
00:50:31,425 --> 00:50:31,985
Okay.
667
00:50:31,985 --> 00:50:47,113
Well, anyway, if you're in, if you have some interests in product related things for, high
schoolers to do CNC, CAD and CAM, and I didn't think this through very well.
668
00:50:47,113 --> 00:50:59,069
It's not making a whole lot of sense probably, but things like you would do with a CNC
router, CNC machines, and are interested, send me a message.
669
00:50:59,675 --> 00:51:02,226
debris has come through the solution.
670
00:51:03,961 --> 00:51:05,521
on how to track that.
671
00:51:05,521 --> 00:51:07,742
Just talking back one topic.
672
00:51:09,202 --> 00:51:13,562
Drew DeBree says, zero dollar product added to each configurator order.
673
00:51:13,562 --> 00:51:16,484
And then you run analytics or searches against that product.
674
00:51:16,484 --> 00:51:19,004
So that's smart, easy.
675
00:51:19,685 --> 00:51:27,147
I can just have that script when they add the cart, add that zero dollar product in, I
think.
676
00:51:27,147 --> 00:51:33,468
I shank, I shank, which kind of comes back to your point about adding useful things into
carts, links and.
677
00:51:33,528 --> 00:51:35,483
resources and stuff, which I still want to try.
678
00:51:35,483 --> 00:51:43,881
that zero dollar product like your kitaparts guide product.
679
00:51:43,899 --> 00:51:44,759
Yeah.
680
00:51:45,405 --> 00:51:46,386
Choice.
681
00:51:47,574 --> 00:51:48,395
Choice, cuz.
682
00:51:48,395 --> 00:51:50,020
So they don't even know any different.
683
00:51:50,844 --> 00:51:52,684
Exactly.
684
00:51:52,685 --> 00:51:54,245
Shall never know.
685
00:51:54,465 --> 00:51:56,085
Bingo says Drew.
686
00:51:56,426 --> 00:51:58,046
I gotta go man.
687
00:51:58,046 --> 00:51:59,346
I gotta go.
688
00:52:00,087 --> 00:52:01,087
Yeah.
689
00:52:01,427 --> 00:52:02,077
I do actually.
690
00:52:02,077 --> 00:52:04,348
It's traditional.
691
00:52:04,348 --> 00:52:13,291
It's public holiday here tomorrow because of Easter bunnies and so our pack of van is on a
Thursday instead of a Friday.
692
00:52:14,691 --> 00:52:15,392
Yeah.
693
00:52:15,392 --> 00:52:17,102
Got a couple of things to finish.
694
00:52:17,188 --> 00:52:20,562
reminds me of, have you seen the movie Goodfellas?
695
00:52:20,932 --> 00:52:21,642
No.
696
00:52:24,044 --> 00:52:25,645
Okay, that hurts a little bit.
697
00:52:25,645 --> 00:52:27,126
It's my favorite movie.
698
00:52:27,526 --> 00:52:33,130
Erin had never seen it and I've been talking about it for 15 years with her and I give her
crap all the time.
699
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:34,861
Like, you just, haven't even seen my favorite movie.
700
00:52:34,861 --> 00:52:39,534
You know, it's like, it's in my mind, it was longer and we had made it be this like three
hour movie.
701
00:52:39,534 --> 00:52:40,705
It's two hours, 20 minutes.
702
00:52:40,705 --> 00:52:42,917
And we started watching it and she got tired and fell asleep.
703
00:52:42,917 --> 00:52:46,268
So we're halfway through it, but it is so good.
704
00:52:47,054 --> 00:52:52,891
And there's, there's lines in it that just, I think of constantly like.
705
00:53:00,977 --> 00:53:04,221
It's not packing a van, it's like fell off the back of a truck.
706
00:53:04,483 --> 00:53:10,718
They've get products off the back of the truck because they steal from the, it's a good
movie.
707
00:53:10,718 --> 00:53:21,443
that the director of one of my favorite movies, Happy Feet, also directed another
well-known film, Mad Max, which I've never seen any of the Mad Max films, which probably
708
00:53:21,443 --> 00:53:24,454
is shameful as an Australian, but...
709
00:53:27,301 --> 00:53:31,130
That's a ridiculous overlap of two things.
710
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:32,610
is a note, fantastic.
711
00:53:33,051 --> 00:53:45,164
Final departing recommendation from me, if you have children and like a podcast about such
things, which I don't listen to many parenting podcasts, but someone sent me this one
712
00:53:45,164 --> 00:53:45,634
during the week.
713
00:53:45,634 --> 00:53:47,795
was like, that was a really good listen.
714
00:53:47,795 --> 00:53:49,635
I'm glad I went there.
715
00:53:49,635 --> 00:53:51,275
It's linked in the show notes.
716
00:53:51,496 --> 00:54:00,558
It's an author talking about screen time and technology and AI and what the hell to do
with that with children as they grow up.
717
00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:02,362
with a look.
718
00:54:02,465 --> 00:54:03,526
LinkedIn.
719
00:54:04,171 --> 00:54:05,363
That's the end.
720
00:54:07,023 --> 00:54:07,998
try it.
721
00:54:08,007 --> 00:54:08,485
The end.
722
00:54:08,485 --> 00:54:10,937
for joining us, Debris.
723
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:15,421
He also worked on Babe, yes, exactly.
724
00:54:15,902 --> 00:54:18,344
Happy Feet, Babe and Mad Max.
725
00:54:19,205 --> 00:54:20,215
What a catalogue.
726
00:54:20,215 --> 00:54:23,297
Ugh, what a crazy situation.
727
00:54:27,003 --> 00:54:27,928
The end.
728
00:54:29,410 --> 00:54:30,348
Bye bye.