Do you think patterns can be identified by looking at Chiron?

For sure, yes, I do.

I definitely feel like that's true.

And you know, having gone through the, the history of what literally happened with my experiences, there's a lot of those themes of Chiron being an Aries.

And in my fourth house, which had I read it in the cookbook, you know, it would have made sense to me.

But I feel like I have a much more visceral understanding when I look at the real experience.

Did it have to do with, you know, being self reliant, being independent and like the foundations of my life, you know, my home and my foundation and my security?

Absolutely right.

And that's where my Chiron is placed right in Aries, in the fourth house.

So yes, those experiences that I actually had do resonate to that, you know, delineation.

Now I've heard some other astrologers talk about Chiron and Aries is kind of like the wounds of patriarchy, like cultural wounds.

And I can't say that there's none of that also, you know, but I just don't know.

But when I saw my personal experience, I could see how it was like a shaking of my foundation where I had to assert my will, my independence, do the things I wanted to do.

And also it brought a sense of insecurity and vulnerability, for sure.

Would, would that, that the foundation part be the fourth house part?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think of it as like the root of your life, which in it can be in a very real basis, your home, the land you're on, the family you came from.

But also I feel like your sense of security in the world, your roots, you know, what grounds you.

A couple of these things you address.

You know, I did have, have you ever heard Chiron being a bridge between the collective and galactic energies?

You know, I haven't.

But you know what, if that's something you're interested in, you might like Barbara Hanklow's books.

Yeah, I have her.

Yeah, she, she wrote a book on Chiron right before Melanie Reinhart in 1988.

And I bought that book and she wrote a.

She's written some later books, but her ideology is not mine at all.

And reading her just kind of like makes me roll my eyes.

So she's.

Is it too airy fairy for you?

It is.

It's not only that, but she makes a lot of really judgmental statements that she claims to be true.

And it's particularly in the first book there was like statements around in the 80s, of course, the AIDS epidemic was huge.

And so some of the things she said about the AIDS epidemic and blah, blah, blah, just really kind of was like, irked me, you know.

All right.

And like, for example, in Melanie's book, Melanie and Barbara started off with.

With some of the same notions.

But Melanie's book has been updated to 2009.

It includes her research.

It includes lots of other sources.

Barbara strikes me as someone who more like speaks out of her own mind and her dreams.

Right.

Like, if I believe this thing or it was channeled to me, then it must be true.

And I like a little bit more experience and evidence and, you know, you're more ear.

Yes.

Way more Earth than Barbara.

I did have thoughts of Chiron being in a spiritual teacher or.

Or points to spiritual crisis.

Yeah, I think that's.

I think that can absolutely be true.

And I also believe really that, you know, everything is a spirit.

You know, I think everything in our lives is spirit, spiritual.

Right.

Like, I don't feel like the body and the spirit are as separate as what we've been taught to believe.

With master Western materialism.

I think all of human life is a spiritual experience.

Do you think someone could recognize Chiron in them without knowing astrology?

Yeah, and I do think psychological work, you know, probably would bring that out.

Any kind of therapeutic work, psychological work, you know, perhaps even, you know, prayer, counseling.

Yeah.

Because I do think it has to do with some sort of a.

A repetitive life experience.

I do have down here, signs of Chiron wounding is anywhere where you could be narrow thinking, reliance on dogma or authority, self doubt, or where you may have spiritual unrest.

Yeah, could be.

And Liz.

Liz Green brings out several others.

Right.

Like where you feel shame, you know, where you feel ashamed or shame, where you have envy, like where you feel wounded, like where you feel victimized or you feel persecuted.

Rage is not something that I so much have an affinity with personally, again, because I'm so Earth.

But like anger, like an underlying anger about something.

So, yeah.

I really do strongly recommend her book for anyone who's interested in Chiron.

I think it's just a great read, even if you don't go into the back of the book, which is more like relationships, studies.

The first section of the book is just a fascinating look at Chiron and the mythology and her exploration of its meaning.

All right, one last question is, what do you think aspects to you Chiron could tell you, like the planets that aspect Chiron?

Well, you know, the more aspects a planet has to other planets in your chart?

To me, it's just an indication of importance.

Right.

It's more active in your chart because it's in relationship with other planets.

I'm curious.

I have not seen work about an unaspected Chiron, but there are other people who say unaspected planets are also really important.

So that would be interesting to look at if you were, you know, wanting to study.

Um, but so do you think more aspects Chiron has to other planets in your chart?

I think the bigger a role Chiron's gonna play in your life.

Do you think that that planet that aspects Chiron points to where that wounding could come from?

Yeah.

Or also how it.

Or how you deal with it.

Mm.

Oh, okay.

I think it could be both of those things.

Cause I think it's a back and forth relationship.

All right.

Other than that, I know I have people who.

A lot of people who are trying to learn astrology.

And, you know, we.

We went over some Chiron basics, so I was just gonna throw up.

Good.

Chiron through the elements.

Chiron and the fire sign.

It's something about healing of inspiration, Enthusiasm, fun or impulsivity.

Right.

Kind of a life force, I would say.

Don't you think of Aries as sort of, you know, the fire signs, Aries Sagittarius as being like your life force, your vitality, your.

Yeah, yeah.

Inspiration also makes sense.

I think also, you know, in some ways, self direction.

I think of all the fire signs as being inner directed.

You know, they're acting out in the world based on something that's coming from inside

Chiron and Earth.

Healing of the practical and useful, dependent.

And also maybe the physical body.

I would really explore, like, I think

of, you know, what for Earth.

Huh?

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, that was, that was.

That was the last one.

Physical.

Yeah, the physical body.

Food, nutrition.

Like, I'm really curious, if I were gonna do research, I'd be really curious if there's any stuff showing that, like, people who have, you know, chronic debilitating conditions might have, you know, Chiron and Earth signs or something.

Because I think so much of the Earth is being the body, but also the environment.

Like people who are strongly environmentally aware or have wounds that come from the physical environment.

Chiron through air, healing of mental thinking, communication and healing of truth.

Yeah, I like that.

Yeah.

And maybe even to some extent, relationships.

Because I think both air and water as sort of connective, with air being how we communicate and exchange ideas, with water being more emotional.

And since you brought up water, that's the last one.

Iron through water.

Healing of the emotional body.

Suffering.

Suffering and intuition.

And maybe also literal, like having to do with parent, children, relationships.

All right.

Because I think of that as being very watery.