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Welcome to the VP Life podcast, the show

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where we bring you actual

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health advice from leading minds.

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I'm your host, Rob.

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My guest today is Brian Gull, an

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ex-carpenter turned health enthusiast.

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Brian is on a mission to educate people

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on how red light therapy can help improve

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mitochondrial function and

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support health and wellness.

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Expect to learn the differences between

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red and near-infrared light, why red

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light therapy isn't a replacement for

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sunlight, and how red light works to

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support your mitochondria.

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Now, on to the

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conversation with Brian Gull.

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Good morning, Brian, and

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thank you for joining us.

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I've been wanting to have someone in this

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space now who's an expert on red light

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therapy for a while, so I'm excited to

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have this conversation.

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In all honesty, I've not yet woken up,

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and I'm honestly abusing the living

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daylights of my identity and receptors

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with a bunch of caffeine.

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So while that kicks in, would you be so

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kind as to introduce

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yourself to the audience?

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I may have stalked you a little on your

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website and Instagram in

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preparation for this podcast.

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And yeah, I know you subsequently have a

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bit of a story there.

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So yeah, I'll hand the floor over to you,

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and we can go from there.

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Bryan Gohl

Of course, Rob.

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Thank you so much for inviting me and

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having me on, of course.

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Always happy to have a chat.

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Yeah, so my name is Brian, and I am one

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of the co-founders of a company in the

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UK, based in the UK,

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called Red Light Rising.

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And we specialize in red light therapy

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devices of all sorts of shapes and sizes

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for all sorts of budgets, but also for

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all sorts of health benefits as well.

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Perfect.

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And specifically, what led you to sort of

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get into this field of red lights?

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Obviously, it's part of the biohacking

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community at the

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moment, which is exploding.

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But you could have gone in

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any number of directions.

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It could have been called

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tubs, called thermogenesis.

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You could have gotten into supplements.

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What specifically sort of fueled your

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desire to get into red light?

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Bryan Gohl

Well, it was exactly that.

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I've always been kind of exploring health

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and wellness just as a personal interest.

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You know, unfortunately, my parents were

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pretty sick growing up.

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We had a very normal lifestyle, standard

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Western diet, eating a

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lot of processed food.

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And I just kind of started becoming aware

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of, at quite a young age, what you do

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actually affects your health, which is

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something that, even to this day, it

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blows my mind that there's so many people

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that can still engage in unhealthy

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habits, even with all the information

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that we have about what makes you

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unhealthy and still

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choose to do those habits.

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So I was just, for whatever reason, kind

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of obsessed with health and wellness.

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I was working in another career.

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I was a trained carpenter.

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So I was working away on building sites

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and building furniture and

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doing whatever else you do.

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All the while, I was listening to

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podcasts and audio books about health.

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And just self-educating.

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And then I discovered Bulletproof Coffee,

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Dave Asprey, The High Fat Diet.

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And Dave Asprey was actually the first

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person that exposed me to this practice

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or this subculture called biohacking,

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where it's mostly very scientific-based

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practices that you can

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choose to do that make you better.

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things that start to trend in the

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zeitgeist, along social media.

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ice bath trend, where everybody and his

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uncle was suddenly getting into ice

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therapy or cold water therapy.

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That's an example of biohacking.

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So you temporarily jump in

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an ice bath and you freeze.

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But what you're forcing your biology to

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do is to become more robust, to become

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stronger, to become healthier.

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And then therefore, the long-term effect

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of you taking the ice

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bath makes you healthier.

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That's hormetic stress.

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Hormetic stress, exactly.

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So I was very interested in that stuff.

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I've been going to the gym for a couple

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of decades at that point.

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So I was very familiar with the sauna.

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Most gyms have a sauna.

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So I knew it was healthy.

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And that's also another trending biohack,

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getting into saunas.

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And then there's intermittent fasting and

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the high-fat diet or the carnivore diet.

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And then part of that family of biohacks

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that Dave Asprey used to talk about back

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in the day was red-like therapy.

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Now, I had got to a point in my own

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journey where I was taking saunas

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whenever I could at the gym.

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I was taking cold showers or jumping in a

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cold river whenever I could.

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I was fasting very often.

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I was on a low-carb diet.

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So I was kind of starting to do all the

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things that I was learning about.

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And then it was time

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for red-like therapy.

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This was like late 2016, 2017.

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And you just couldn't get red-like

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therapy in the UK at that point.

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Your only option was to bring

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something in from the States.

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And that was just crazy expensive.

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So I carried on learning about red-like

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therapy anyway, because it turns out

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there's thousands and thousands of

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scientific research papers about red-like

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therapy showing how it works, why it

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works, what it can be useful for.

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So logically, I was convinced.

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Intellectually, I was convinced of the

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science, of the protocol.

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And then myself and my business partner,

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James, we decided, well,

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we know so much about it.

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Now let's try and build something.

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Let's research what the power has to be,

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what the size has to be, what kind of

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wavelengths we can get.

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And we teamed up with

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some electrical engineers.

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And together, we built our first few

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panels back in 2017.

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I got one.

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James got one.

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And a couple of other friends had one.

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And just kind of thought nothing of it

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and went on with our day.

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Started using red-like therapy every day.

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And that was actually

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around December in 2017.

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I was living in London.

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And I was depressed.

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I was hating my job.

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It was coming to a point where I was

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like, something massive has to change.

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Like, I can't continue to live like this.

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I didn't want to be in the UK, because

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the weather had just beat me to a pulp.

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Like, I was depressed and

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miserable and cold all the time.

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I was living in London, absolute chaos,

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such a busy city, doing carpentry, which

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I was becoming acutely aware

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was not good for my health.

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Not only are you breathing in the dust

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and the fumes and the chemicals, but

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sometimes you can be bent over all day on

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your hands and knees

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crawling around doing stuff.

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The noise, it was just a

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very unhealthy career path.

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And I needed something to change.

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And I'd been using my first red-like

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therapy panel for about

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two weeks at that point.

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And suddenly, one day, I

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realized I was happy again.

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I was cheerful.

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I was walking down the

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road and I felt amazing.

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And I was like, could

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this be the red-like therapy?

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Because one of the benefits of red-like

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therapy is mood optimization or hormonal

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optimization, the feel-good hormones.

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I was like, oh my

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gosh, is it working for me?

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I feel amazing.

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I feel happy.

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And soon after that, I started tracking

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my sleep and I noticed my

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sleep was getting better.

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I started noticing that all the cuts and

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the scrapes that I had on my hands from

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being a carpenter were healing up so much

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faster than they normally would.

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My hands weren't constantly in pain.

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And that's when I personally realized,

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I'm like, oh my gosh, like everything

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I've been reading about with red-like

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therapy, like it's working.

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It's working for me.

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Contacted James and a

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couple of the other guys.

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And I said, well, how's the panel going?

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How are you doing?

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And everybody said they love it.

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You know, everybody was getting slightly

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different benefits, but

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everybody said they loved it.

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And that's when James and I decided like,

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okay, you know, red-like

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therapy is definitely a thing.

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Let's make a red-like therapy for the UK.

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And that's where

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red-like rising was born.

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Yeah, well, that's an amazing story.

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Thank you for that.

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And it's great to hear that you didn't

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just sort of do what so many companies

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do, which is to sort of hop onto Alibaba

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and or the other team or whatever they're

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called and just find an existing panel.

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The fact that you are able to sort of

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engineer it from scratch and actually

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design something from the ground up, it

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speaks to your sort of, well, your ethics

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as a business owner, of course, but also

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your ability to create

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something that undoubtedly works.

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So to just, while we're on that topic,

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what makes red-like rising panels

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different from other panels on the market?

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I mean, since 2017, the market in the UK

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has definitely exploded.

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And there are a number of brands out

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there now with

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pricing all over the place.

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I mean, yours, to be honest, is still,

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relatively speaking, affordable.

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I mean, you get panels out there that

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cost thousands and thousands and

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thousands, where yours still seem to be,

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yeah, that happy medium as it were.

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At a panel level, what makes your

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products different from

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what else is out there?

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Well, back in the day, it was really

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difficult to make

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red-like therapy products.

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You mentioned Alibaba and Timu, when we

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started red-like therapy, there were

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almost no

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manufacturers of red-like therapy.

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Obviously, there was two companies in the

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States that already existed, and they have their manufacturers in China.

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We also manufacture in China. Now everybody does.

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Of course.

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But back then, there was no way, you

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couldn't buy red-like therapy of Alibaba.

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It didn't exist.

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So it was really difficult to make

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powerful panels, because you had to get

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very certain parts for the inside, very

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certain kinds of LEDs,

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very certain kinds of drivers.

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But now, because the scene has exploded

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so much, of course, there's probably at

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least 30 factories now in China, that

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have the ability to make

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red-like therapy products.

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And from the ones that I've seen, most of

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them are very good now.

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So the technical--

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that's actually what I tell people.

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They're like, well,

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which company is reputable?

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Which one should I buy from?

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Which one is the best?

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And the truth of the matter is, if you're

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looking at the top five brands, including

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my own, when you do a web search, any of

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those brands are going to have panels that are good enough, in terms of the way that they're going to be.

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And they're going to have panels that are

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good enough, in terms of power,

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the wavelengths, and the actual dose of

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light you're going to get.

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Because it's easier to make them now,

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everybody-- or most people

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are making good products.

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But what sets ours apart right now is, we

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have the most state-of-the-art panels on

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the market right now.

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It won't be like that for long, because

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as soon as someone makes something great,

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everybody else copies it.

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And then that's what's been

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happening to us since day one.

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We're back in the top spot now.

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But before the end of the year, I'm sure

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we're going to be copied.

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But basically, our newest panels, the

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Advantage panels, they

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have five wavelengths.

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Three of them are near infrared light,

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and two of them are red light.

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There's nothing terribly special about

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that, because other

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companies have the same thing.

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We have a beautiful touchscreen, which

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makes it really easy to use.

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Because red light therapy, on the

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surface, when you first get into it, it

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seems awfully

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complicated and overwhelming.

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And then you go on Reddit, and you go on

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the forums, whatever,

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and you try to understand.

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Everybody's got a

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slightly different opinion.

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Everybody's saying something slightly

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different, so it's very confusing.

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So what I wanted to do, what I needed to

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do, was to make red light

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therapy as easy as possible to use.

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Even if you know nothing about it, you

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should be able to switch it on and get a

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good dose of red light for your needs,

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whatever they may be.

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And so with that in mind, I created what

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I call six smart modes, or six

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pre-programmed modes.

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So basically, when you look at the

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control panel, or the remote, because

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there is a remote as well, which is

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another advancement.

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But when you look at the control panel or

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the remote, there's six different

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programs you can choose from.

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Face and eyes, joint care, sports

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performance, wellness and

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mood, all over skin, and sleep.

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So the layman, someone who doesn't have

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hours and hours to research all the

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different nuances of how to use red light

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therapy, you just press the button, the

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device will automatically set the

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intensity and the wavelength to the most

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optimal that we know of so

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far, according to the science.

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It'll even tell you where to stand.

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You just press go and it automatically

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times and doses your session, and you

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don't have to think at all.

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So that is the most advanced state of red

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light therapy right now.

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But like I say, I'm sure over the next

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couple of months, there's

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going to be more advancements.

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Technology is always moving forward.

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So it's pretty exciting.

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I hope that answers the question there.

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Rob

Oh, yeah, no, definitely.

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And then just to sort of jump back on

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from onto the sort of the

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biohacking wagon for a second.

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I don't know what your thoughts are on

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EMF and non-native EMFs.

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There's a lot of sounds on both.

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And we recently had Tristan Scott on the

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podcast from Daylight Computer to sort of

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give us a fairly deep dive into that.

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Do you manufacture your panels taking

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EMFs into consideration?

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Do you personally think it's an issue?

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Of course, if you don't

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believe it is, that's fine.

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Again, like I said, it's a large amount

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of speculation as to

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whether they're an issue or not.

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So yeah, I'd love to sort of just get

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your thoughts there and

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whether or not your panels

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do have a sort of a low

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EMF or low ELF reading.

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Yeah, so I definitely believe in EMFs and

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I definitely believe in potential

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detrimental effects of

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non-native EMFs, especially.

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And we are always working to decrease the

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EMFs on our products.

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But there's only so much you can do

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because the very nature of electricity

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flowing through wires and moving parts in

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an electrical product creates EMFs.

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So there's only so much you can do.

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So we are actually engaged with someone,

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a professional firm right now to help us

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redesign all our panels to

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try and get the EMFs lower.

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They are already quite low.

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And the thing is with EMFs, they abide by

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the inverse square law.

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So if you're touching the panel, that's

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the highest amount of EMFs that you're

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going to be in contact with.

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But as soon as you go an inch away, it's

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slashed by like 10 times.

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Then you go two inches away and it's

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slashed by 100 times.

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So technically speaking, you can use red

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light therapy in a

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non-native EMF free scenario.

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Rob

Yeah, no, of course.

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And that makes total sense.

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And I mean, we're in

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the supplement space.

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Rob

And obviously, we have to use certain

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amount of excipients in our products.

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We just do otherwise the machines aren't

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able to necessarily

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produce the products effectively.

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Now we use natural excipients

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when we do have to use them.

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And a lot of our products

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don't contain excipients.

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My thinking there or what I'm trying to

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get to is the fact that sometimes there

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just has to be a concession made.

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Otherwise, you can't take the supplement.

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You can't use the technology.

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And yeah, it just goes to show again that

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it doesn't not that it goes to show

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anything, but that yeah, ultimately, I

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suppose it's a given take.

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And the fact that you are going to the

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degrees and the steps that you are to

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ensure that these panels are as low EMF

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as possible is admirable.

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Rob

So thank you for that.

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Rob

That was refreshing.

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Rob

I've spoken to a lot of yeah, suppliers

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of these products in recent months.

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And most of them have, well,

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not most and that's not true.

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But one or two of them has sent me

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reports showing that their products admit

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absolutely no EMFs at all, which is, I

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think, almost unbelievable.

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I don't think that they are shielded

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products to the point where they're

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actually blocking all the dirty

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00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:15,333

Rob

electricity that is coming off them.

479

00:17:15,833 --> 00:17:18,000

Rob

So yeah, I think that's,

480

00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000

Rob

like I said, admirable.

481

00:17:19,458 --> 00:17:20,666

Rob

And thank you for that.

482

00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,083

Bryan Gohl

Yeah, just to finish off on that.

483

00:17:23,458 --> 00:17:26,791

Bryan Gohl

So I was explaining that, yes, our

484

00:17:26,791 --> 00:17:28,000

Bryan Gohl

products do have EMFs.

485

00:17:28,416 --> 00:17:30,500

Bryan Gohl

Our battery operated products are zero

486

00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:32,333

Bryan Gohl

EMF because it's a completely different

487

00:17:32,333 --> 00:17:33,416

Bryan Gohl

kind of electricity.

488

00:17:34,541 --> 00:17:35,125

Bryan Gohl

Battery operated.

489

00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:36,541

Bryan Gohl

So there's, you know, for the people that

490

00:17:36,541 --> 00:17:38,791

Bryan Gohl

are very concerned about EMFs, there's

491

00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:40,083

Bryan Gohl

the battery operated

492

00:17:40,083 --> 00:17:41,333

Bryan Gohl

devices which are zero.

493

00:17:41,958 --> 00:17:42,250

Bryan Gohl

Now,

494

00:17:43,625 --> 00:17:47,916

Bryan Gohl

I hate to be a tittle tail, but I know at

495

00:17:47,916 --> 00:17:50,541

Bryan Gohl

least one or two major red light therapy

496

00:17:50,583 --> 00:17:54,083

Bryan Gohl

brands that flat lie about the EMFs.

497

00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:55,791

Bryan Gohl

Okay, and I've seen it

498

00:17:55,791 --> 00:17:57,125

Bryan Gohl

myself on their website.

499

00:17:57,375 --> 00:17:58,958

Bryan Gohl

And this is how you can tell

500

00:17:58,958 --> 00:18:00,750

Bryan Gohl

if someone's lying about EMFs.

501

00:18:00,750 --> 00:18:01,000

Bryan Gohl

Okay.

502

00:18:01,416 --> 00:18:04,500

Bryan Gohl

On the website, it says zero EMF,

503

00:18:05,708 --> 00:18:07,291

Bryan Gohl

but it doesn't tell you what distance.

504

00:18:08,583 --> 00:18:10,333

Bryan Gohl

Because as I was describing before,

505

00:18:10,708 --> 00:18:13,083

Bryan Gohl

distance is crucially important with EMF.

506

00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:16,166

Bryan Gohl

So if we disregard the distance

507

00:18:16,166 --> 00:18:19,166

Bryan Gohl

measurement at all, then I could also lie

508

00:18:19,166 --> 00:18:22,083

Bryan Gohl

and say on my website, zero EMF, red

509

00:18:22,083 --> 00:18:24,208

Bryan Gohl

light therapy, absolutely zero EMF.

510

00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:26,083

Bryan Gohl

Because if you stand on the other side of

511

00:18:26,083 --> 00:18:27,166

Bryan Gohl

the room and you measure

512

00:18:27,166 --> 00:18:28,666

Bryan Gohl

it, of course, it's zero EMF.

513

00:18:28,916 --> 00:18:31,416

Bryan Gohl

I mean, even if you stand half a meter

514

00:18:31,416 --> 00:18:33,041

Bryan Gohl

away, it's zero EMF.

515

00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,625

Bryan Gohl

So the standard is for no particular

516

00:18:36,625 --> 00:18:38,416

Bryan Gohl

reason, the standard is to measure six

517

00:18:38,416 --> 00:18:40,583

Bryan Gohl

inches from the device and then, you

518

00:18:40,583 --> 00:18:42,333

Bryan Gohl

know, talk about your EMFs at that level.

519

00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,958

Bryan Gohl

But I would just like for people to be

520

00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:47,083

Bryan Gohl

aware because that's major brands that

521

00:18:47,083 --> 00:18:49,750

Bryan Gohl

sponsor all the major influences to sell

522

00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:50,833

Bryan Gohl

their product and

523

00:18:50,833 --> 00:18:52,625

Bryan Gohl

then lie about the EMFs.

524

00:18:52,625 --> 00:18:53,083

Bryan Gohl

They lie.

525

00:18:53,541 --> 00:18:54,750

Bryan Gohl

They don't emit information.

526

00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:55,750

Bryan Gohl

They don't make a mistake.

527

00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:56,750

Bryan Gohl

They flat out lie.

528

00:18:56,791 --> 00:18:58,333

Bryan Gohl

And then when they've been caught on

529

00:18:58,333 --> 00:19:00,625

Bryan Gohl

social media, they just don't care

530

00:19:00,625 --> 00:19:02,500

Bryan Gohl

because they've got millions and millions

531

00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:04,291

Bryan Gohl

of people exposed to these influences

532

00:19:04,291 --> 00:19:06,166

Bryan Gohl

saying, oh, I use their product.

533

00:19:06,166 --> 00:19:06,625

Bryan Gohl

It's the best.

534

00:19:08,333 --> 00:19:09,625

Bryan Gohl

And then just the last thing

535

00:19:09,625 --> 00:19:10,958

Bryan Gohl

I'd like to say on the EMFs.

536

00:19:12,416 --> 00:19:14,166

Bryan Gohl

Even though I've acknowledged the EMFs in

537

00:19:14,166 --> 00:19:15,083

Bryan Gohl

red light therapy, I

538

00:19:15,083 --> 00:19:16,125

Bryan Gohl

don't think it's a problem.

539

00:19:16,916 --> 00:19:19,250

Bryan Gohl

Because right now I have, I mean, this is

540

00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:20,166

Bryan Gohl

something I need to change.

541

00:19:20,166 --> 00:19:22,333

Bryan Gohl

I have a Bluetooth keyboard, which has

542

00:19:22,333 --> 00:19:24,291

Bryan Gohl

got EMFs far worse than

543

00:19:24,291 --> 00:19:25,250

Bryan Gohl

red light therapy products.

544

00:19:25,625 --> 00:19:28,250

Bryan Gohl

I have a Bluetooth mouse far worse than

545

00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:29,541

Bryan Gohl

red light and I have a screen.

546

00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:30,916

Bryan Gohl

I have a lamp here.

547

00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,583

Bryan Gohl

I have my laptop charging.

548

00:19:32,583 --> 00:19:34,625

Bryan Gohl

I have a walking treadmill underneath me.

549

00:19:35,041 --> 00:19:37,750

Bryan Gohl

I'm absorbing more EMFs now than I ever

550

00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:39,500

Bryan Gohl

would be standing in front of my red

551

00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:40,375

Bryan Gohl

light therapy device.

552

00:19:41,625 --> 00:19:43,875

Bryan Gohl

And the red light therapy device actually

553

00:19:43,875 --> 00:19:46,541

Bryan Gohl

helps heal your body, whereas all this

554

00:19:46,541 --> 00:19:47,458

Bryan Gohl

other stuff doesn't.

555

00:19:48,416 --> 00:19:50,083

Rob

Yeah, I couldn't agree more again.

556

00:19:50,666 --> 00:19:51,708

Rob

And thank you for that.

557

00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:53,791

Rob

Again, it makes total sense.

558

00:19:53,791 --> 00:19:57,416

Rob

And I suppose I'm not surprised by what

559

00:19:57,416 --> 00:19:58,125

Rob

you said about some

560

00:19:58,125 --> 00:19:58,875

Rob

of these major brands.

561

00:19:59,416 --> 00:20:01,666

Rob

I suppose at the end of the day, they've

562

00:20:01,666 --> 00:20:04,208

Rob

got this size where, you know, one or

563

00:20:04,208 --> 00:20:06,666

Rob

two, sort of bad post probably actually

564

00:20:06,666 --> 00:20:08,583

Rob

doesn't affect their bottom line.

565

00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:11,500

Rob

Obviously, I'm sure you know the issues

566

00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:15,125

Rob

that Element, the electrolyte brand

567

00:20:15,125 --> 00:20:17,583

Rob

recently had with the findings of

568

00:20:17,583 --> 00:20:18,750

Rob

maltodextrin in their product.

569

00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:22,333

Rob

Now, personally, sort of with my

570

00:20:22,333 --> 00:20:24,333

Rob

background being chemistry, I

571

00:20:24,333 --> 00:20:25,208

Rob

don't think that's an issue.

572

00:20:26,541 --> 00:20:28,250

Rob

But the fact that they will sort of

573

00:20:28,250 --> 00:20:32,458

Rob

essentially and I feel that Rob Wuth, who

574

00:20:32,458 --> 00:20:34,666

Rob

obviously co-ins the brand is reputable

575

00:20:34,666 --> 00:20:38,000

Rob

and honest enough to not necessarily

576

00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,875

Rob

have, yeah, done that knowingly.

577

00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:44,541

Rob

My point there again is that they were

578

00:20:44,541 --> 00:20:46,291

Rob

essentially able to sweep it under the

579

00:20:46,291 --> 00:20:48,625

Rob

rug, even though it made so there was a

580

00:20:48,625 --> 00:20:50,208

Rob

bit of a song and dance about it purely

581

00:20:50,208 --> 00:20:51,625

Rob

because of the size of their brand.

582

00:20:52,625 --> 00:20:54,083

Rob

I still think it's a good product.

583

00:20:55,958 --> 00:20:57,750

Rob

But yeah, it just shows ultimately that

584

00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:59,791

Rob

when you have a business or brand that's

585

00:20:59,791 --> 00:21:04,125

Rob

big enough, you can sort of cut corners

586

00:21:04,125 --> 00:21:05,541

Rob

and get away with it,

587

00:21:05,541 --> 00:21:07,208

Rob

which is sadly true.

588

00:21:08,375 --> 00:21:08,583

Rob

But yeah.

589

00:21:11,625 --> 00:21:13,500

Rob

And again, just with regards to the EMF

590

00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:15,125

Rob

thing, I couldn't agree more.

591

00:21:15,166 --> 00:21:16,958

Rob

And again, the crossovers with our

592

00:21:16,958 --> 00:21:19,125

Rob

business are interesting.

593

00:21:19,541 --> 00:21:21,583

Rob

We occasionally get people who are mown

594

00:21:21,583 --> 00:21:23,750

Rob

again about excipients, but then I sort

595

00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:25,625

Rob

of get back and say, "Well, are you still

596

00:21:25,625 --> 00:21:26,500

Rob

drinking tap water?"

597

00:21:27,041 --> 00:21:28,958

Rob

Because you sort of have bigger worries

598

00:21:28,958 --> 00:21:31,125

Rob

than excipients, the micro amounts of

599

00:21:31,125 --> 00:21:33,041

Rob

excipients in your supplement.

600

00:21:33,041 --> 00:21:35,375

Rob

If you are still drinking tap water, if

601

00:21:35,375 --> 00:21:37,208

Rob

you are still eating pesticide-laden

602

00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:40,666

Rob

food, let's sort of worry about the big

603

00:21:40,666 --> 00:21:42,291

Rob

needle movers and then you can worry

604

00:21:42,291 --> 00:21:43,958

Rob

about the excipients when you have

605

00:21:43,958 --> 00:21:45,125

Rob

everything else under control.

606

00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:47,291

Rob

So yeah, I understand

607

00:21:47,291 --> 00:21:48,333

Rob

completely what you're saying.

608

00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:50,458

Bryan Gohl

I mean, I think we share a

609

00:21:50,458 --> 00:21:52,500

Bryan Gohl

common niche, a common audience.

610

00:21:53,875 --> 00:21:56,208

Bryan Gohl

People that are going out and buying

611

00:21:56,208 --> 00:21:57,875

Bryan Gohl

specialist supplements or

612

00:21:57,875 --> 00:21:59,625

Bryan Gohl

specialist health technology,

613

00:22:01,083 --> 00:22:02,958

Bryan Gohl

they like to know what

614

00:22:02,958 --> 00:22:04,208

Bryan Gohl

they need to worry about.

615

00:22:05,375 --> 00:22:08,208

Bryan Gohl

So they like to worry about the red light

616

00:22:08,208 --> 00:22:09,541

Bryan Gohl

therapy because they want to be as

617

00:22:09,541 --> 00:22:11,541

Bryan Gohl

healthy as possible, but then they'll put

618

00:22:11,541 --> 00:22:13,750

Bryan Gohl

their Bluetooth headphones in or they'll

619

00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:15,291

Bryan Gohl

put their phone in their pocket or

620

00:22:15,291 --> 00:22:17,875

Bryan Gohl

they'll put their phone in their bra and

621

00:22:17,875 --> 00:22:19,041

Bryan Gohl

all the other things.

622

00:22:19,041 --> 00:22:20,458

Bryan Gohl

And it's just a bit, it's

623

00:22:20,458 --> 00:22:21,500

Bryan Gohl

just a bit past backwards.

624

00:22:22,208 --> 00:22:23,125

Rob

Yeah, it is a bit, but

625

00:22:23,125 --> 00:22:24,166

Rob

that's the nature of people.

626

00:22:24,416 --> 00:22:25,458

Rob

They want to quick fix.

627

00:22:25,458 --> 00:22:27,375

Rob

Nobody really wants to sort of focus on

628

00:22:27,375 --> 00:22:30,666

Rob

the stuff that actually matters, which is

629

00:22:30,666 --> 00:22:33,583

Rob

all the basics that aren't fun, that

630

00:22:33,583 --> 00:22:36,875

Rob

aren't sexy, sleep, just exposure to

631

00:22:36,875 --> 00:22:37,708

Rob

sunlight, et cetera.

632

00:22:38,291 --> 00:22:38,541

Rob

Anyway,

633

00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:41,375

Rob

well, that was tangent and a half.

634

00:22:41,666 --> 00:22:42,291

Rob

Thank you for that.

635

00:22:42,291 --> 00:22:43,666

Rob

That was actually a great way to start

636

00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:45,250

Rob

the conversation, but I reckon we should

637

00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:47,166

Rob

probably get back to

638

00:22:47,166 --> 00:22:48,291

Rob

red light specifically.

639

00:22:49,333 --> 00:22:52,000

Rob

And I think a great place to start going

640

00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000

Rob

forward, of course, would be to sort of

641

00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,791

Rob

focus in a bit on how it works.

642

00:22:55,791 --> 00:22:56,958

Rob

And I know that may

643

00:22:56,958 --> 00:22:59,625

Rob

sound trite, but hear me out.

644

00:23:00,250 --> 00:23:02,791

Rob

See, I reckon, yeah, like you've alluded

645

00:23:02,791 --> 00:23:05,166

Rob

to already, most people are sort of aware

646

00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:08,041

Rob

of the surface level benefits of red

647

00:23:08,041 --> 00:23:09,041

Rob

light therapy, that it can

648

00:23:09,041 --> 00:23:10,416

Rob

support exercise recovery.

649

00:23:10,416 --> 00:23:13,291

Rob

It can help with your hormones to

650

00:23:13,291 --> 00:23:14,166

Rob

optimize testosterone

651

00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:15,791

Rob

and things like that.

652

00:23:15,791 --> 00:23:19,666

Rob

But very few people are aware of what's

653

00:23:19,666 --> 00:23:22,000

Rob

sort of mechanistically going on, what's

654

00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,166

Rob

driving these changes

655

00:23:23,166 --> 00:23:24,250

Rob

at a cellular level.

656

00:23:25,333 --> 00:23:28,291

Rob

Now I know it's got to do with something

657

00:23:28,291 --> 00:23:31,208

Rob

called a mitochondria and a specific

658

00:23:31,208 --> 00:23:33,333

Rob

enzyme called what cytochrome C-oxidase,

659

00:23:34,041 --> 00:23:36,500

Rob

all of which work together to help create

660

00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:38,916

Rob

more ATP or cellular energy.

661

00:23:40,291 --> 00:23:41,708

Rob

Beyond that, I'm not

662

00:23:41,708 --> 00:23:43,041

Rob

entirely sure what's going on.

663

00:23:43,041 --> 00:23:44,666

Rob

So would you be so kind as to educate

664

00:23:44,666 --> 00:23:47,541

Rob

both myself and the listeners on how red

665

00:23:47,541 --> 00:23:48,958

Rob

light therapy is working?

666

00:23:49,791 --> 00:23:50,750

Bryan Gohl

Yeah, absolutely.

667

00:23:51,208 --> 00:23:55,000

Bryan Gohl

So red light therapy is something that's

668

00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,000

Bryan Gohl

actually completely natural, even though

669

00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,791

Bryan Gohl

you're standing in

670

00:23:57,791 --> 00:23:59,541

Bryan Gohl

front of a man-made device.

671

00:23:59,666 --> 00:24:01,916

Bryan Gohl

But what this device is doing is it's

672

00:24:01,916 --> 00:24:05,125

Bryan Gohl

mimicking some of the healthiest parts of

673

00:24:05,125 --> 00:24:07,208

Bryan Gohl

the sun or some of the healthiest parts

674

00:24:07,208 --> 00:24:08,750

Bryan Gohl

of light that come from the sun.

675

00:24:09,125 --> 00:24:10,333

Bryan Gohl

And that is the red

676

00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:11,541

Bryan Gohl

and near infrared light.

677

00:24:12,083 --> 00:24:13,458

Bryan Gohl

Of course, we should

678

00:24:13,458 --> 00:24:14,958

Bryan Gohl

discuss the sun at some point.

679

00:24:14,958 --> 00:24:15,958

Bryan Gohl

The sun has a lot of

680

00:24:15,958 --> 00:24:17,125

Bryan Gohl

other benefits as well.

681

00:24:17,875 --> 00:24:20,291

Bryan Gohl

But like you know, in the UK, it's not

682

00:24:20,291 --> 00:24:21,458

Bryan Gohl

always easy to get a

683

00:24:21,458 --> 00:24:22,791

Bryan Gohl

good dose of sun every day.

684

00:24:23,208 --> 00:24:24,875

Bryan Gohl

So red light therapy fills

685

00:24:24,875 --> 00:24:27,166

Bryan Gohl

in those gaps very, very well.

686

00:24:27,875 --> 00:24:29,916

Bryan Gohl

And what happens is when your body is

687

00:24:29,916 --> 00:24:32,291

Bryan Gohl

exposed to red and near infrared light,

688

00:24:32,291 --> 00:24:34,791

Bryan Gohl

it is actually able to absorb this light,

689

00:24:35,125 --> 00:24:37,000

Bryan Gohl

which is very unique because it cannot

690

00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,541

Bryan Gohl

absorb any other kinds of

691

00:24:38,541 --> 00:24:39,958

Bryan Gohl

light that come from the sun.

692

00:24:41,583 --> 00:24:43,291

Bryan Gohl

And this light can be

693

00:24:43,291 --> 00:24:45,458

Bryan Gohl

absorbed quite deeply in the body.

694

00:24:46,083 --> 00:24:48,500

Bryan Gohl

So it turns out all the cells

695

00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,458

Bryan Gohl

of our body have mitochondria.

696

00:24:50,875 --> 00:24:53,208

Bryan Gohl

Those mitochondria are the energy

697

00:24:53,208 --> 00:24:56,083

Bryan Gohl

producing organelles inside the cell.

698

00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:59,416

Bryan Gohl

So it's the final process of breaking

699

00:24:59,416 --> 00:25:03,375

Bryan Gohl

down glucose or fat and oxygen, turning

700

00:25:03,375 --> 00:25:06,166

Bryan Gohl

it into cellular energy, which will fuel

701

00:25:06,166 --> 00:25:09,041

Bryan Gohl

the cell, fuel the tissue, and ultimately

702

00:25:09,041 --> 00:25:11,041

Bryan Gohl

fuel you as a human being, help you get

703

00:25:11,041 --> 00:25:12,625

Bryan Gohl

out of bed in the morning.

704

00:25:13,541 --> 00:25:14,708

Bryan Gohl

So red and near infrared

705

00:25:14,708 --> 00:25:16,083

Bryan Gohl

light penetrates the body.

706

00:25:16,083 --> 00:25:17,250

Bryan Gohl

It goes quite deep.

707

00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:20,250

Bryan Gohl

It goes into all the cells that you shine

708

00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:23,750

Bryan Gohl

it on in your muscles, your bones, your

709

00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:25,791

Bryan Gohl

glands, your skin, your eyes.

710

00:25:25,833 --> 00:25:28,791

Bryan Gohl

It even gets into your brain and it gets

711

00:25:28,791 --> 00:25:31,500

Bryan Gohl

absorbed by the mitochondria.

712

00:25:31,625 --> 00:25:33,666

Bryan Gohl

Specifically, it gets absorbed by this

713

00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:35,291

Bryan Gohl

photosensitive enzyme

714

00:25:35,291 --> 00:25:37,708

Bryan Gohl

called cytochrome C oxidase.

715

00:25:38,875 --> 00:25:43,375

Bryan Gohl

And when this enzyme absorbs the red and

716

00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:44,958

Bryan Gohl

infrared light, a

717

00:25:44,958 --> 00:25:45,875

Bryan Gohl

couple of things happen.

718

00:25:46,541 --> 00:25:48,500

Bryan Gohl

So the first thing that it does is that

719

00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:54,791

Bryan Gohl

it causes the enzyme to force a molecule

720

00:25:54,791 --> 00:25:56,916

Bryan Gohl

of nitric oxide out of the cell.

721

00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:58,791

Bryan Gohl

And this nitric oxide

722

00:25:58,791 --> 00:25:59,708

Bryan Gohl

goes into the blood.

723

00:26:00,541 --> 00:26:03,000

Bryan Gohl

Now nitric oxide is a vasodilator.

724

00:26:03,291 --> 00:26:05,791

Bryan Gohl

So it dilates the veins where your blood

725

00:26:05,791 --> 00:26:08,041

Bryan Gohl

is flowing through and helps blood flow

726

00:26:08,041 --> 00:26:11,625

Bryan Gohl

more smoothly, assist with detox and

727

00:26:11,625 --> 00:26:13,125

Bryan Gohl

assist with nutrient delivery.

728

00:26:13,625 --> 00:26:14,333

Bryan Gohl

So that's the first

729

00:26:14,333 --> 00:26:15,833

Bryan Gohl

thing, it increases blood flow.

730

00:26:16,541 --> 00:26:19,041

Bryan Gohl

Now, if you can have good blood flow all

731

00:26:19,041 --> 00:26:21,833

Bryan Gohl

over your body, you'll generally be in a

732

00:26:21,833 --> 00:26:23,833

Bryan Gohl

pretty good state because at least your

733

00:26:23,833 --> 00:26:26,166

Bryan Gohl

tissues will be serviced with fresh

734

00:26:26,166 --> 00:26:27,916

Bryan Gohl

oxygenated blood and the

735

00:26:27,916 --> 00:26:29,041

Bryan Gohl

vitamins and the minerals, etc.

736

00:26:30,166 --> 00:26:32,500

Bryan Gohl

The second thing that it does is once

737

00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:35,083

Bryan Gohl

this nitric oxide is kicked out of the

738

00:26:35,083 --> 00:26:38,000

Bryan Gohl

electron transport chain inside the

739

00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,625

Bryan Gohl

energy production cycle, that missing

740

00:26:41,625 --> 00:26:43,333

Bryan Gohl

molecule gets replaced by

741

00:26:43,333 --> 00:26:44,916

Bryan Gohl

an extra molecule of oxygen.

742

00:26:45,875 --> 00:26:48,875

Bryan Gohl

So suddenly inside the cell, it now has

743

00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:51,875

Bryan Gohl

one extra molecule of oxygen with which

744

00:26:51,875 --> 00:26:53,416

Bryan Gohl

to create cellular energy.

745

00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:56,708

Bryan Gohl

So it actually becomes more efficient at

746

00:26:56,708 --> 00:26:58,166

Bryan Gohl

creating cellular energy.

747

00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:01,500

Bryan Gohl

And once again, when the cell has more

748

00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:03,416

Bryan Gohl

energy, things just tend to get better.

749

00:27:04,458 --> 00:27:06,791

Bryan Gohl

The third thing that it does is red light

750

00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:09,916

Bryan Gohl

therapy is also an hormetic stressor,

751

00:27:10,458 --> 00:27:12,041

Bryan Gohl

which is we briefly touched on that

752

00:27:12,041 --> 00:27:15,458

Bryan Gohl

earlier on, sauna, cold plunge, fasting,

753

00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:17,291

Bryan Gohl

weightlifting, all that

754

00:27:17,291 --> 00:27:18,833

Bryan Gohl

stuff is hormetic stressor.

755

00:27:19,541 --> 00:27:20,833

Bryan Gohl

And red light therapy is a

756

00:27:20,833 --> 00:27:22,000

Bryan Gohl

hormetic stressor as well.

757

00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:25,333

Bryan Gohl

And what that means is it temporarily and

758

00:27:25,333 --> 00:27:28,416

Bryan Gohl

very minutely causes a stress on your

759

00:27:28,416 --> 00:27:31,416

Bryan Gohl

cells and it causes the cells to release.

760

00:27:31,833 --> 00:27:34,500

Bryan Gohl

Well, first it causes a tiny release of

761

00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:37,125

Bryan Gohl

reactive oxygen species or free radicals.

762

00:27:37,666 --> 00:27:40,458

Bryan Gohl

These are poisonous little molecules that

763

00:27:40,458 --> 00:27:43,416

Bryan Gohl

are the waste product of energy

764

00:27:43,416 --> 00:27:44,333

Bryan Gohl

production in the

765

00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:45,791

Bryan Gohl

cell, amongst other things.

766

00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:48,833

Bryan Gohl

It causes a tiny release of these

767

00:27:48,833 --> 00:27:50,166

Bryan Gohl

reactive oxygen species.

768

00:27:50,791 --> 00:27:54,666

Bryan Gohl

And then it stimulates itself to clean up

769

00:27:54,666 --> 00:27:56,916

Bryan Gohl

all the reactive oxygen species.

770

00:27:57,375 --> 00:27:59,666

Bryan Gohl

Now, if you have a lot of ROS or free

771

00:27:59,666 --> 00:28:01,083

Bryan Gohl

radicals, you have a lot of inflammation.

772

00:28:01,833 --> 00:28:04,125

Bryan Gohl

So your cells will release, thereafter

773

00:28:04,125 --> 00:28:06,583

Bryan Gohl

release their own natural

774

00:28:06,583 --> 00:28:08,500

Bryan Gohl

anti-inflammatories that go into the

775

00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,375

Bryan Gohl

bloodstream and circulate around your

776

00:28:10,375 --> 00:28:12,958

Bryan Gohl

body and contribute to decreasing

777

00:28:12,958 --> 00:28:14,833

Bryan Gohl

inflammation, wherever you

778

00:28:14,833 --> 00:28:15,708

Bryan Gohl

may have it in your body.

779

00:28:16,958 --> 00:28:19,916

Bryan Gohl

So just to recap, first thing it does is

780

00:28:19,916 --> 00:28:22,291

Bryan Gohl

it releases nitric oxide into the blood,

781

00:28:22,666 --> 00:28:23,708

Bryan Gohl

increases blood flow.

782

00:28:24,583 --> 00:28:27,041

Bryan Gohl

Number two, it stimulates an increase in

783

00:28:27,041 --> 00:28:28,208

Bryan Gohl

cellular energy production.

784

00:28:28,833 --> 00:28:30,833

Bryan Gohl

And number three, it stimulates an

785

00:28:30,833 --> 00:28:33,166

Bryan Gohl

increase in the release of natural

786

00:28:33,166 --> 00:28:34,208

Bryan Gohl

anti-inflammatories.

787

00:28:34,875 --> 00:28:37,000

Bryan Gohl

And when you combine all of those, more

788

00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,083

Bryan Gohl

blood flow, more energy, less

789

00:28:39,083 --> 00:28:42,666

Bryan Gohl

inflammation, then that will explain why

790

00:28:42,666 --> 00:28:44,541

Bryan Gohl

we see all these incredible changes

791

00:28:44,541 --> 00:28:47,083

Bryan Gohl

further down the health path.

792

00:28:48,291 --> 00:28:49,416

Rob

That was an amazing answer.

793

00:28:49,416 --> 00:28:49,791

Rob

I couldn't have

794

00:28:49,791 --> 00:28:51,041

Rob

structured a bit to myself.

795

00:28:51,583 --> 00:28:53,791

Rob

And I suppose if I was going to add

796

00:28:53,791 --> 00:28:56,291

Rob

anything, it would just be maybe a little

797

00:28:56,291 --> 00:28:58,083

Rob

more information about the immune system

798

00:28:58,083 --> 00:29:01,083

Rob

and how it helps to regulate some of

799

00:29:01,083 --> 00:29:05,000

Rob

those anti-inflammatory cytokines and

800

00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,000

Rob

also how it sort of epigenetically alters

801

00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,333

Rob

the cells so that they start producing

802

00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:14,875

Rob

more antioxidants through things like the

803

00:29:14,875 --> 00:29:16,875

Rob

activation of that NRF2 pathway,

804

00:29:17,875 --> 00:29:19,500

Rob

which I'm sure you're familiar with.

805

00:29:20,291 --> 00:29:22,041

Rob

But beyond that, thank

806

00:29:22,041 --> 00:29:22,833

Rob

you, that was amazing.

807

00:29:23,625 --> 00:29:25,833

Rob

Matricondra, I think, are something that

808

00:29:25,833 --> 00:29:29,833

Rob

I've really sort of taken a kind of deep

809

00:29:29,833 --> 00:29:32,041

Rob

dive into in recent years, especially

810

00:29:32,041 --> 00:29:34,708

Rob

having researched Dr.

811

00:29:34,708 --> 00:29:35,625

Rob

Robert Naviore's sort of

812

00:29:35,625 --> 00:29:37,000

Rob

cell dangerous response theory.

813

00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:38,916

Rob

I'm not sure if you're familiar with it.

814

00:29:39,458 --> 00:29:42,416

Rob

And also, I suppose more recently, Dr.

815

00:29:42,416 --> 00:29:45,375

Rob

Jack Cruz's work, to be honest, I'm still

816

00:29:45,375 --> 00:29:46,500

Rob

trying to figure out what he's talking

817

00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:47,500

Rob

about most of the time.

818

00:29:48,291 --> 00:29:50,458

Rob

But yeah, I'm adamant personally that

819

00:29:50,458 --> 00:29:53,541

Rob

there's a connection between light cold

820

00:29:53,541 --> 00:29:54,833

Rob

and matricondral function.

821

00:29:55,916 --> 00:29:58,000

Rob

However, that is definitely a deeper

822

00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,541

Rob

discussion for another day.

823

00:30:02,333 --> 00:30:04,708

Rob

Brian, I know your panels, well, the

824

00:30:04,708 --> 00:30:08,083

Rob

panel's red light

825

00:30:08,083 --> 00:30:11,208

Rob

rising cells are used both

826

00:30:12,208 --> 00:30:14,291

Rob

red and near infrared light, something

827

00:30:14,291 --> 00:30:16,041

Rob

you've already touched on.

828

00:30:17,625 --> 00:30:20,333

Rob

But yeah, I'd like it if we could just

829

00:30:20,333 --> 00:30:21,916

Rob

maybe take a deeper dive into the

830

00:30:21,916 --> 00:30:24,208

Rob

difference there obviously, when I think

831

00:30:24,208 --> 00:30:25,958

Rob

a lot of people start to think about near

832

00:30:25,958 --> 00:30:27,541

Rob

infrared light, they

833

00:30:27,541 --> 00:30:28,833

Rob

start to think about saunas.

834

00:30:29,041 --> 00:30:31,166

Rob

And we've had the guys from Clearlight,

835

00:30:31,416 --> 00:30:32,750

Rob

specifically Johannes, to

836

00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:34,625

Rob

chat about the benefits of sauna.

837

00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:37,666

Rob

But would you sort of help sort of

838

00:30:37,666 --> 00:30:40,958

Rob

elucidate us or elucidate on that

839

00:30:40,958 --> 00:30:43,208

Rob

specific topic, the difference between

840

00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:46,000

Rob

red light, near infrared light and why

841

00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,708

Rob

both are important for ourselves?

842

00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:53,875

Bryan Gohl

Yeah, so this is a great, this is a

843

00:30:53,875 --> 00:30:55,583

Bryan Gohl

question that I asked our answer almost

844

00:30:55,583 --> 00:30:58,000

Bryan Gohl

every day on social media or on emails.

845

00:30:59,833 --> 00:31:02,125

Bryan Gohl

People, it's easy to get confused between

846

00:31:02,125 --> 00:31:04,125

Bryan Gohl

red light therapy and infrared sauna.

847

00:31:05,416 --> 00:31:06,958

Bryan Gohl

And part of the reason why it's so easy

848

00:31:06,958 --> 00:31:08,000

Bryan Gohl

to be confused is

849

00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,458

Bryan Gohl

because red light therapy

850

00:31:11,708 --> 00:31:14,208

Bryan Gohl

uses, like you mentioned, it uses red and

851

00:31:14,208 --> 00:31:15,291

Bryan Gohl

near infrared light.

852

00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:18,333

Bryan Gohl

Okay, but near infrared light is a very,

853

00:31:18,666 --> 00:31:20,458

Bryan Gohl

you know, we have to be very careful on

854

00:31:20,458 --> 00:31:22,125

Bryan Gohl

how we speak about it, because near

855

00:31:22,125 --> 00:31:25,291

Bryan Gohl

infrared light is a very narrow defined

856

00:31:25,291 --> 00:31:27,333

Bryan Gohl

type of infrared light.

857

00:31:28,041 --> 00:31:29,958

Bryan Gohl

And when it comes to infrared saunas,

858

00:31:30,125 --> 00:31:32,458

Bryan Gohl

because it shares the same word, the

859

00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:35,083

Bryan Gohl

technical description of an infrared

860

00:31:35,083 --> 00:31:37,833

Bryan Gohl

sauna is using far infrared light.

861

00:31:38,666 --> 00:31:41,166

Bryan Gohl

So near infrared and far infrared light

862

00:31:41,166 --> 00:31:42,750

Bryan Gohl

are opposite ends of

863

00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:43,666

Bryan Gohl

the infrared spectrum.

864

00:31:44,208 --> 00:31:45,000

Bryan Gohl

And they have very

865

00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,250

Bryan Gohl

different effects on the body.

866

00:31:47,291 --> 00:31:49,666

Bryan Gohl

So like we touched on just then with red

867

00:31:49,666 --> 00:31:52,375

Bryan Gohl

light therapy, red and near infrared

868

00:31:52,375 --> 00:31:55,208

Bryan Gohl

light react in very similar ways on the

869

00:31:55,208 --> 00:31:57,208

Bryan Gohl

body, but they do it at different levels.

870

00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:00,041

Bryan Gohl

So what I tell people is that red light

871

00:32:00,041 --> 00:32:02,291

Bryan Gohl

therapy generally is good for things on

872

00:32:02,291 --> 00:32:04,166

Bryan Gohl

the outside of your body, because it

873

00:32:04,166 --> 00:32:06,083

Bryan Gohl

doesn't go very deep, it only goes a few

874

00:32:06,083 --> 00:32:07,250

Bryan Gohl

millimeters into the skin.

875

00:32:07,875 --> 00:32:10,708

Bryan Gohl

So the red light is mostly good for skin.

876

00:32:11,583 --> 00:32:12,333

Bryan Gohl

It's good for eyes.

877

00:32:12,833 --> 00:32:14,666

Bryan Gohl

Near infrared light is good for eyes as

878

00:32:14,666 --> 00:32:16,208

Bryan Gohl

well, but red light is

879

00:32:16,208 --> 00:32:18,333

Bryan Gohl

most often indicated for eyes.

880

00:32:19,375 --> 00:32:23,958

Bryan Gohl

Hair growth, mood and sleep are generally

881

00:32:23,958 --> 00:32:26,625

Bryan Gohl

the territory of the red light.

882

00:32:27,375 --> 00:32:29,416

Bryan Gohl

And the near infrared light acts in a

883

00:32:29,416 --> 00:32:30,541

Bryan Gohl

very similar way, but it

884

00:32:30,541 --> 00:32:32,000

Bryan Gohl

goes much deeper into the body.

885

00:32:32,833 --> 00:32:34,000

Bryan Gohl

So it's the near infrared

886

00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,458

Bryan Gohl

light that goes into the brain.

887

00:32:35,958 --> 00:32:38,250

Bryan Gohl

It goes into the muscles, into the

888

00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:39,958

Bryan Gohl

joints, into the bones.

889

00:32:40,541 --> 00:32:41,833

Bryan Gohl

It goes much deeper into

890

00:32:41,833 --> 00:32:43,000

Bryan Gohl

the body, into the organs.

891

00:32:43,625 --> 00:32:44,583

Bryan Gohl

It does very similar

892

00:32:44,583 --> 00:32:46,875

Bryan Gohl

things just on different levels.

893

00:32:47,833 --> 00:32:49,166

Bryan Gohl

So that's how I ask people to

894

00:32:49,166 --> 00:32:50,833

Bryan Gohl

think about red light therapy.

895

00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:55,000

Bryan Gohl

And then if we go and talk about far

896

00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,500

Bryan Gohl

infrared, which is what it's the most

897

00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:58,750

Bryan Gohl

important type of light

898

00:32:58,750 --> 00:33:00,000

Bryan Gohl

that they use in the saunas.

899

00:33:00,458 --> 00:33:02,791

Bryan Gohl

Some saunas do have near infrared and mid

900

00:33:02,791 --> 00:33:05,500

Bryan Gohl

infrared as well as far infrared, but

901

00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,166

Bryan Gohl

it's the far infrared that's doing all

902

00:33:07,166 --> 00:33:09,708

Bryan Gohl

the work because far infrared penetrates

903

00:33:09,708 --> 00:33:11,375

Bryan Gohl

your body and it doesn't get

904

00:33:11,375 --> 00:33:13,000

Bryan Gohl

absorbed by your mitochondria.

905

00:33:13,416 --> 00:33:15,708

Bryan Gohl

It heats up the water around your cells.

906

00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:18,041

Bryan Gohl

So it's heating your body from the

907

00:33:18,041 --> 00:33:20,250

Bryan Gohl

inside, which makes you sweat and then

908

00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:22,541

Bryan Gohl

helps you with detox and relaxation and

909

00:33:22,541 --> 00:33:24,166

Bryan Gohl

stress relief and all of that.

910

00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,416

Bryan Gohl

But it's very, very different to the near

911

00:33:26,416 --> 00:33:29,000

Bryan Gohl

infrared light in red light therapy.

912

00:33:30,458 --> 00:33:32,375

Rob

Yeah, I think that's why having a panel

913

00:33:32,375 --> 00:33:35,125

Rob

or sauna or whatever modality you're

914

00:33:35,125 --> 00:33:36,500

Rob

wishing to use, that

915

00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:38,083

Rob

full spectrum is important.

916

00:33:39,166 --> 00:33:41,791

Rob

Obviously, there are specific use cases

917

00:33:41,791 --> 00:33:45,000

Rob

where you maybe just want near infrared

918

00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,916

Rob

versus far infrared.

919

00:33:46,333 --> 00:33:48,083

Rob

But for the most part, they

920

00:33:48,083 --> 00:33:49,083

Rob

are obviously all important.

921

00:33:49,375 --> 00:33:50,666

Rob

And I think that's often times where

922

00:33:50,666 --> 00:33:54,250

Rob

people go wrong with sort of maybe not

923

00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:57,375

Rob

trying to take a shortcut, but being sort

924

00:33:57,375 --> 00:33:59,041

Rob

of laid down the garden path with

925

00:33:59,041 --> 00:34:00,125

Rob

products that you see

926

00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:01,875

Rob

on Amazon, for example.

927

00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:03,500

Rob

I think a lot of people will just pick up

928

00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:05,291

Rob

a cheap physio light and think they've

929

00:34:05,291 --> 00:34:06,208

Rob

got their bases covered.

930

00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:10,041

Rob

And if those products are indeed real,

931

00:34:10,041 --> 00:34:13,958

Rob

not just a glorified sort of lens on top

932

00:34:13,958 --> 00:34:17,333

Rob

of the actual light, they are limited by

933

00:34:17,333 --> 00:34:21,750

Rob

the different types of

934

00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:22,791

Rob

wavelengths that they produce.

935

00:34:23,291 --> 00:34:25,375

Rob

I think a lot of them are just very

936

00:34:25,375 --> 00:34:27,458

Rob

isolated to one or the other.

937

00:34:28,458 --> 00:34:31,375

Rob

And really, I think that's not a bad

938

00:34:31,375 --> 00:34:32,458

Rob

segue into sort of now

939

00:34:32,458 --> 00:34:34,125

Rob

talking about natural light.

940

00:34:35,208 --> 00:34:36,375

Rob

And I know, obviously,

941

00:34:36,666 --> 00:34:37,666

Rob

red light has its place.

942

00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,541

Rob

And as you alluded to earlier, a lot of

943

00:34:39,541 --> 00:34:41,250

Rob

people, I think, pick up these panels

944

00:34:42,041 --> 00:34:44,333

Rob

because they live in a country and

945

00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:46,666

Rob

environment like the UK, where you go

946

00:34:46,666 --> 00:34:48,958

Rob

outside and you generally

947

00:34:48,958 --> 00:34:50,708

Rob

are depressed by default.

948

00:34:52,208 --> 00:34:53,833

Rob

Of course, that's not to say that just

949

00:34:53,833 --> 00:34:56,458

Rob

because it's overcast that there isn't a

950

00:34:56,458 --> 00:34:57,666

Rob

good reason to go outside.

951

00:34:59,083 --> 00:35:02,875

Rob

But yeah, I think without that actual

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Rob

sunshine, it's difficult to convince

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Rob

yourself that you're actually getting any

954

00:35:08,166 --> 00:35:10,875

Rob

of the benefits of being outside when

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00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:13,166

Rob

it's gray and overcast and your serotonin

956

00:35:13,166 --> 00:35:16,083

Rob

has plummeted to the nth degree.

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00:35:16,916 --> 00:35:18,916

Rob

However, would you be able to expand on

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00:35:18,916 --> 00:35:21,458

Rob

why natural light is as

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Rob

important as just the red light?

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00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:26,666

Rob

Obviously, red light is a component of

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Rob

natural light, but you also get your

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Rob

other wavelengths, your other spectrums,

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00:35:31,791 --> 00:35:35,083

Rob

everything from ultraviolet to green

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Rob

light, UVA, UVB, all of which serve

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Rob

different functions in our bodies.

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Rob

But yeah, I'll hand that over to you.

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Rob

And I'm sure you can provide a more

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Rob

complete answer than I can be.

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Rob

Just why natural light is also important.

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Bryan Gohl

So something I tell my clients as well

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Bryan Gohl

is, you know, it's like you were talking

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Bryan Gohl

about with your supplements, you know,

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Bryan Gohl

people worry about the ingredients of the

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Bryan Gohl

supplements when there's a lot more

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Bryan Gohl

important things to worry about that you

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Bryan Gohl

could get done first.

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Bryan Gohl

And sunlight is that equivalent for me.

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00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:08,625

Bryan Gohl

So when someone comes to me and they say,

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Bryan Gohl

"Listen, I've got XYZ symptoms.

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Bryan Gohl

I want to try red light therapy for it."

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Bryan Gohl

The first thing I say is, "Are you

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Bryan Gohl

getting outside every day?

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Bryan Gohl

Are you getting at

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Bryan Gohl

least some sun every day?"

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Bryan Gohl

And if you're not,

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Bryan Gohl

that's the place to start.

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00:36:23,083 --> 00:36:24,333

Bryan Gohl

You know, I never I would never tell

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00:36:24,333 --> 00:36:25,500

Bryan Gohl

anybody, "Oh, red light

989

00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:26,791

Bryan Gohl

therapy is better than the sun.

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00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:28,375

Bryan Gohl

Don't worry about the sun,

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00:36:28,375 --> 00:36:29,541

Bryan Gohl

you know, just buy my product."

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00:36:29,541 --> 00:36:31,125

Bryan Gohl

Because that's just not the truth.

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00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:33,291

Bryan Gohl

The number one, the most important thing

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Bryan Gohl

is to get natural light every day, even

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Bryan Gohl

if it's winter, even if it's gray, the

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00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:42,625

Bryan Gohl

intensity that comes from the sun and the

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00:36:42,625 --> 00:36:44,125

Bryan Gohl

spectrum of light, you

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00:36:44,125 --> 00:36:45,500

Bryan Gohl

cannot mimic anywhere.

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Bryan Gohl

No matter how many different types of

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Bryan Gohl

lights you have, you can do a reasonable

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Bryan Gohl

proximity to it, but you

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Bryan Gohl

can never mimic the sun.

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Bryan Gohl

And even on a cloudy day, the amount of

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Bryan Gohl

different kind of light that is

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Bryan Gohl

penetrating through the clouds and

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Bryan Gohl

reaching your body has just physiological

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Bryan Gohl

benefits that could never be matched with

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Bryan Gohl

a technology or a pill.

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Bryan Gohl

You know, if you've got the blues and the

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Bryan Gohl

greens, which are telling your body what

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Bryan Gohl

time of day it is, you know, that blue

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Bryan Gohl

and green light is going in your eyes,

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Bryan Gohl

it's very specifically coded.

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Bryan Gohl

So, you know, an easy way to think about

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Bryan Gohl

it is that, you know, light is measured

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Bryan Gohl

in nanometers and it starts from, you

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Bryan Gohl

know, probably zero,

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Bryan Gohl

but even maybe negative.

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Bryan Gohl

And it goes all the way up

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Bryan Gohl

to millions of nanometers.

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Bryan Gohl

Okay.

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Bryan Gohl

And as an example, the red spectrum is

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Bryan Gohl

600 to 700 nanometers.

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Bryan Gohl

The near infrared spectrum

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Bryan Gohl

is 800 to 1400 nanometers.

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Bryan Gohl

And then the far infrared is somewhere

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Bryan Gohl

around the hundred

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Bryan Gohl

thousands or the million nanometers.

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Bryan Gohl

Okay.

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Bryan Gohl

Now you've got every single one nanometer

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Bryan Gohl

is a slightly different color.

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Bryan Gohl

Okay.

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Bryan Gohl

And now if you can hold a spectrometer up

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Bryan Gohl

to the sun, you'll see a beautiful curve

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Bryan Gohl

of, you know, you'll see the colors of

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Bryan Gohl

the rainbow depicted on a curve.

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Bryan Gohl

And each one of them is slightly more

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Bryan Gohl

intense than the last

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Bryan Gohl

or slightly less intense.

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Bryan Gohl

It's just this mix of color and light

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Bryan Gohl

that is impossible to

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Bryan Gohl

simulate with modern technology.

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Bryan Gohl

And every single one of those colors and

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Bryan Gohl

types of light is a message to your body.

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Bryan Gohl

It's a message, you know, to your

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Bryan Gohl

circadian rhythm, your sleep-wake cycle.

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Bryan Gohl

It's a message to your seasonal circadian

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Bryan Gohl

rhythms to tell your body, you know,

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Bryan Gohl

where you are in time.

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Bryan Gohl

Is it time to burn fat?

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Bryan Gohl

Is it time to store fat?

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Bryan Gohl

Natural light is incredibly

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Bryan Gohl

important for your immunity.

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Bryan Gohl

You know, the sun tells your body if

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Bryan Gohl

there's a change of season coming and if

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Bryan Gohl

your immunity needs to be

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Bryan Gohl

ready for a change of season.

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Bryan Gohl

Blood sugar, you know, natural light

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Bryan Gohl

affects blood sugar.

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Bryan Gohl

It affects the amount of energy that your

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Bryan Gohl

cells are using and

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Bryan Gohl

therefore sucking out of your blood.

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Bryan Gohl

Not to mention all

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Bryan Gohl

the benefits of the UV.

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Bryan Gohl

You know, we need UV to have healthy

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Bryan Gohl

vitamin D levels and you need healthy

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Bryan Gohl

vitamin D levels to be healthy.

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Bryan Gohl

You know, bone health, you know, skin

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Bryan Gohl

integrity, hormonal integrity, especially

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Bryan Gohl

every a lot of things rely on vitamin D.

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Bryan Gohl

And the easiest and the best way to make

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Bryan Gohl

sure you're ticking all

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Bryan Gohl

those boxes is the sun.

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Bryan Gohl

Because you get that full spectrum of

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Bryan Gohl

light in a single session in 20 to 30

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Bryan Gohl

minutes a day that no amount of

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Bryan Gohl

technology can replace.

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Bryan Gohl

Even in winter.

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Bryan Gohl

So it's arguably more important in winter

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Bryan Gohl

to go outside, especially if it's cold.

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Bryan Gohl

Because what I'm starting to learn about

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Bryan Gohl

and what I'm starting to understand is

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Bryan Gohl

that when the intensity of the sun is

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Bryan Gohl

lower during winter and it's colder,

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Bryan Gohl

that cold thermogenesis actually creates

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Bryan Gohl

near, I don't know the full story.

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Bryan Gohl

I'm still learning, but it creates near

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Bryan Gohl

infrared light inside your

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Bryan Gohl

cells on the inside of you.

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Bryan Gohl

So that's one of the reasons why cold

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Bryan Gohl

therapy is so important because it forces

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Bryan Gohl

the cells to create their own light from

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Bryan Gohl

the inside and your body can use.

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Bryan Gohl

The photoelectric effect.

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Bryan Gohl

Exactly.

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Bryan Gohl

So your body can use that light as well.

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Bryan Gohl

So even though it's lacking from the sun,

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Bryan Gohl

if you get cold enough,

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Bryan Gohl

you will make your own.

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Bryan Gohl

And that will at least

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Bryan Gohl

keep your health better.

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Bryan Gohl

You might not be as healthy as you could

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Bryan Gohl

be in the summer when you're getting all

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00:40:34,750 --> 00:40:35,833

Bryan Gohl

that beautiful far

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Bryan Gohl

infrared, the heat and the UV.

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Bryan Gohl

But especially for humans in the Northern

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Bryan Gohl

Hemisphere, this is the cycle that we've

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Bryan Gohl

evolved with and we

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Bryan Gohl

should actually stick to.

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Bryan Gohl

Being hot and sweaty in the summer with

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Bryan Gohl

plenty of sun and then being cold and a

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Bryan Gohl

bit more huddled up, but

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Bryan Gohl

still with natural light.

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Bryan Gohl

It's just impossible to

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Bryan Gohl

replace at this stage.

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Rob

Yeah, I know it is.

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Rob

And it just shows that you can't outsmart

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Rob

nature at any level.

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Rob

Maybe you can augment it to some extent,

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Rob

but you definitely can't replace it.

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Rob

I love that you just talked about the

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Rob

photoelectric effect.

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Rob

I think it's fascinating and there's a

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Rob

lot of evidence there to suggest that

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Rob

people who sort of, even if they are,

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Rob

say, and we'll use Caucasian ethnicity as

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Rob

an example, but if you are.

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Rob

So, I mean, we both grew up in South

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Rob

Africa, for example, but we are both of

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Rob

European descent,

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Rob

Caucasian European descent.

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00:41:32,458 --> 00:41:34,291

Rob

But because we grew up in a sunny

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Rob

environment, our mitochondria have

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Rob

developed in a way where they are now

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Rob

photo electrically inclined to create

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Rob

less energy than we would have had we

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Rob

grown up in northern latitudes where

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Rob

there is less sunshine.

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Rob

So that's why, at least speculatively

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Rob

speaking, so many people, even if they

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Rob

are of northern European descent,

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Rob

struggle more so to adapt to

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Rob

a different light environment

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Rob

than people who grew up in that

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Rob

environment because their mitochondria

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Rob

are less conditioned to, and their cells

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Rob

as well, because it's not just

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Rob

mitochondria, to producing those

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Rob

different spectrums of

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Rob

light when it is cold.

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00:42:20,791 --> 00:42:23,500

Rob

So, yeah, it just shows how important

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Rob

environment can be, how important

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Rob

electromagnetism can be as a whole.

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00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:31,666

Rob

And that's definitely something I'm not

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Rob

qualified to talk about.

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Rob

And it's very much going into the whole

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Rob

quantum biology discussion, which is an

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Rob

absolute mindfulness.

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Rob

I'm sure you can attest to it.

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Bryan Gohl

I mean, even the people that talk about

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00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:50,833

Bryan Gohl

quantum biology can't explain it that

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Bryan Gohl

anybody else can understand it.

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Bryan Gohl

So it's like...

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Rob

No,

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00:42:55,333 --> 00:42:59,000

Rob

there's a great podcast out there.

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00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,458

Rob

It's called Richie Flow Nutrition.

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Rob

I think it's...

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Rob

What's his name?

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Rob

Cameron Borg is the host.

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Rob

He does an excellent job.

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Rob

I think he's got a background in

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Rob

pulmonology, and he's gotten into this

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Rob

quantum biology field.

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Rob

Tristan Scott is another excellent one

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Rob

for anyone who is interested

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Rob

in learning more about this.

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Rob

And then, of course, there's Jack Cruz.

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Rob

I think he does tend to rub people up the

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Rob

wrong way and takes

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Rob

some very strong opinions.

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Rob

But yeah, it's definitely...

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Rob

I mean, people say this all the time, but

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Rob

I think it's probably the next frontier

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Rob

of us understanding more about biology.

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Rob

I mean, that's, like I mentioned earlier,

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Rob

my backgrounds in chem, biochem

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Rob

specifically, but of hours to go back and

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Rob

do it all over again, I would

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Rob

definitely study biophysics.

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Rob

Because, yeah, unless you sort of

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Rob

understand the physics behind biology,

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Rob

you're going to run into a bottleneck

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Rob

because you can only explain so much with

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Rob

enzymes and proteins and lipids.

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Rob

There has to be a point in which you

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Rob

actually start to look at it from a

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Rob

physical literally standpoint and what's

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Rob

happening at an atomic level.

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Rob

Anyway, a discussion

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Rob

for another day, perhaps.

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Rob

Brian, I'd like to pivot into maybe how

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Rob

red light can be supportive

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Rob

of various health conditions.

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Rob

Now, obviously, yeah,

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Rob

supplemental red light therapy has been

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Rob

around for a while now, I think.

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Rob

Sort of guys like Ben Greenfield started

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Rob

talking about it, we're not about 20, 14,

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Rob

2015, right about there.

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Rob

And obviously, talking about the bigger

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Rob

companies in America, who we work name.

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Rob

But, yeah, it's sort of grown from there.

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Rob

And it sort of got to the point where

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Rob

people are now sort of shining red light

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Rob

on their nether regions.

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Rob

And, yeah, every surface and cell of the

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Rob

body to try and elicit some change.

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Rob

I'd love it if you

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Rob

could expand on a few areas.

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Rob

And I feel we might as well start with

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Rob

hormones and testosterone.

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Rob

Now, you've elucidated or you've

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Rob

mentioned a lot of the mechanisms there

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Rob

that support the production of, that

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Rob

would support the

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Rob

production of testosterone.

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Rob

So things like upregulated

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Rob

mitochondrial production, etc.

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Rob

But are there any mechanisms or reasons

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Rob

that red light is effective at helping to

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Rob

optimize sex hormone health that maybe

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Rob

we've not chatted about just yet?

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Bryan Gohl

Not really.

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Bryan Gohl

Because when you break it

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Bryan Gohl

all down, it's all it's doing.

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Bryan Gohl

And this is the important

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Bryan Gohl

concept about red light therapy.

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Bryan Gohl

All it's doing is upregulating, as you

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Bryan Gohl

said, the mitochondrial

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Bryan Gohl

activity and the cellular activity.

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Bryan Gohl

So if it's that cell's job to produce sex

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Bryan Gohl

hormones or that glands jobs to produce

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Bryan Gohl

sex hormones, that's what it will do.

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Bryan Gohl

So whether we're talking about thyroid

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Bryan Gohl

health or testosterone on the testicles,

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Bryan Gohl

or the feel good

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Bryan Gohl

hormones of a bright sunny day,

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Bryan Gohl

they all tend to be improved in whichever

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Bryan Gohl

direction they need to be improved in

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Bryan Gohl

once a more optimal cellular function is

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Bryan Gohl

restored in the gland.

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Bryan Gohl

So this is, you know, it might be a bit

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Bryan Gohl

of a bummer to say this, but no matter

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Bryan Gohl

what benefit someone asks me like, Oh,

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Bryan Gohl

what about pain in my knee?

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Bryan Gohl

Will it work?

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Bryan Gohl

Yes.

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Bryan Gohl

Yeah.

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Bryan Gohl

You know, what about my sleep?

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Bryan Gohl

Will it be good for my sleep?

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Bryan Gohl

Yep.

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Bryan Gohl

Yep.

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Bryan Gohl

It'll be good.

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Bryan Gohl

And the reason is, it always comes back

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Bryan Gohl

to this cellular optimization,

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Bryan Gohl

mitochondrial

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Bryan Gohl

optimization, and less inflammation.

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Bryan Gohl

Because as you know, if something, if a

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Bryan Gohl

tissue is inflamed or a body's inflamed,

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Bryan Gohl

it cannot do its job properly.

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Bryan Gohl

Processes and systems start to shut down

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Bryan Gohl

or they start to

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Bryan Gohl

struggle to do their job.

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Bryan Gohl

So health just gets worse and worse.

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Bryan Gohl

But once you start to remove the

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Bryan Gohl

inflammation and you know, on the one

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Bryan Gohl

side, and then on the other side, you

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Bryan Gohl

increase the cellular energy, regardless

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Bryan Gohl

of what the tissue is, it

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Bryan Gohl

starts to function better.

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Bryan Gohl

And it starts to, you know,

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Bryan Gohl

do what it's supposed to do.

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Bryan Gohl

And it's funny, you bring up the

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Bryan Gohl

testosterone thing, because I've

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Bryan Gohl

obviously been hearing

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Bryan Gohl

about it for years and years.

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Bryan Gohl

And I finally started decided to, you

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Bryan Gohl

know, properly take a deep dive on it.

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Bryan Gohl

I've been researching it

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Bryan Gohl

for the last few weeks.

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Bryan Gohl

And trying it on myself, because I, you

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Bryan Gohl

know, the problem with my job is that I'm

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Bryan Gohl

constantly testing new products, because

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Bryan Gohl

I have an idea, we make a new product,

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Bryan Gohl

and then I'll test it for a while.

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Bryan Gohl

So I've always got all these

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Bryan Gohl

confounding things going on.

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Bryan Gohl

So it's impossible for me

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Bryan Gohl

to be the N1 for anything.

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Bryan Gohl

But I've decided to commit to

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Bryan Gohl

testosterone, I'm shining red light only,

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Bryan Gohl

specifically on my

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Bryan Gohl

testicles, every morning.

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Bryan Gohl

And then doing, you know, a couple of

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Bryan Gohl

achy joints from sports.

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Bryan Gohl

And then in about three or four weeks,

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Bryan Gohl

I'll test my testosterone again, and see

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Bryan Gohl

if it's made a difference.

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Bryan Gohl

It's subjectively made a difference.

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Bryan Gohl

Absolutely.

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Bryan Gohl

I feel, you know, different.

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Bryan Gohl

I feel very, very different since I've

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Bryan Gohl

started shining on my testicles.

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Bryan Gohl

But it would be nice to see it reflected

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Bryan Gohl

in the test score as well.

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Rob

Yeah, I'm sure it will.

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Rob

I mean, I've definitely got a few

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Rob

hypotheses as to why it's improving

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Rob

testosterone production.

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Rob

Specifically, just obviously,

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Rob

as you said, the mitochondria

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Rob

is going to fuel everything.

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Rob

But within the testicles themselves, you

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Rob

obviously have latic cells that are

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Rob

responsible for producing testosterone.

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Rob

And again, these cells rely specifically,

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Rob

as do every cell in the body, for

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Rob

converting cholesterol, which is the

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Rob

backbone of pregnenolone, which is the

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Rob

master neurosteroid, into testosterone.

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Rob

So by applying red and near infrared

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Rob

light to the skeletal skin, you can again

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Rob

activate that cytochrome seoxidase, which

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Rob

then is going to near infrared light, or

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Rob

not, excuse me, just the

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Bryan Gohl

that's important because so there's

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Bryan Gohl

there's there's actually very limited

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Bryan Gohl

studies on humans and even on animals.

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Bryan Gohl

But whenever they've tried near infrared

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Bryan Gohl

light, they've had negative results.

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Bryan Gohl

Oh, have they?

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Bryan Gohl

Okay.

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Bryan Gohl

Yeah, it's very important because this is

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Bryan Gohl

this is one reason why I didn't tell

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Bryan Gohl

anybody to do it for years.

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Bryan Gohl

Even though Ben Greenfield was doing it,

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Bryan Gohl

he never specified what he did.

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Bryan Gohl

Paul Saledino did it and claimed an

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Bryan Gohl

increase in testosterone

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Bryan Gohl

never specified what he did.

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Bryan Gohl

And, you know, years ago, I read that

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Bryan Gohl

near infrared light was bad for

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Bryan Gohl

testicles, but there was extremely

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Bryan Gohl

limited information and

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Bryan Gohl

it's still extremely limited.

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Bryan Gohl

But all the evidence so far shows that

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Bryan Gohl

red light is good for testicles, for the

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Bryan Gohl

latic cells and the and they all the

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Bryan Gohl

little sperm manufacturing cells, but

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Bryan Gohl

near infrared light is not.

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Bryan Gohl

So I always like to

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Bryan Gohl

stress red light only.

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Rob

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense.

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Rob

Because I suppose near infrared light is

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Rob

going to heat up

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Rob

scrotal skin, potentially.

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Rob

And then, as well, as we know, you the

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Rob

testes are on the outside of male

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Rob

physiology because they need to be cool.

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Rob

So yeah, that's that's definitely

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Rob

something that I've

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Rob

been thinking of before.

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Rob

So thank you for that.

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Rob

Do you think that they have that that

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Rob

woman can benefit from the same sex

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Rob

hormone optimization that men can from

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Rob

utilizing this sort of therapy?

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Bryan Gohl

Yes, there's a lot of great studies about

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Bryan Gohl

female fertility and falling pregnant

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Bryan Gohl

with red light therapy.

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Bryan Gohl

There was there was a study a few weeks

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Bryan Gohl

ago that was trending that came out of

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Bryan Gohl

Japan where they gave women, you know,

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Bryan Gohl

what was the phrase?

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Bryan Gohl

chronically infertile

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Bryan Gohl

women that had been struggling to have

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00:51:14,166 --> 00:51:16,125

Bryan Gohl

babies for nine years and

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00:51:16,125 --> 00:51:17,708

Bryan Gohl

not not falling pregnant.

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Bryan Gohl

And they did a short treatment of red

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Bryan Gohl

light therapy, and a huge percentage of

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them fell pregnant for the first time.

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Bryan Gohl

So it does it works

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Bryan Gohl

fantastically well for women.

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00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000

Bryan Gohl

There's a lot of there's a lot of things

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Bryan Gohl

you can do, you know, you can shine it

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Bryan Gohl

over the reproductive organs of the woman

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Bryan Gohl

around the belly and around

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00:51:34,541 --> 00:51:35,666

Bryan Gohl

the private parts as well.

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Bryan Gohl

But in the study in Japan, they actually

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Bryan Gohl

shone the light on the sides of the neck,

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00:51:41,291 --> 00:51:42,958

Bryan Gohl

which they didn't explain

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00:51:42,958 --> 00:51:44,500

Bryan Gohl

why they decided to do that.

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00:51:45,083 --> 00:51:46,125

Bryan Gohl

Some people have said it's

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00:51:46,125 --> 00:51:47,500

Bryan Gohl

because of the vagus nerve.

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00:51:47,916 --> 00:51:48,708

Bryan Gohl

So they've helped,

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Bryan Gohl

you know, calm the body.

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Bryan Gohl

And that's allowed the

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Bryan Gohl

body to fall pregnant.

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00:51:53,125 --> 00:51:55,291

Bryan Gohl

Other people say it was an increase of

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Bryan Gohl

blood flow going to and from the head,

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00:51:58,208 --> 00:51:59,541

Bryan Gohl

which helped, you know,

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Bryan Gohl

the ladies fall pregnant.

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Bryan Gohl

So that's an example of, you know, how

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Bryan Gohl

women can support their

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Bryan Gohl

fertility hormones, at least.

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00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:09,458

Bryan Gohl

And then for both the sexes, it's huge

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Bryan Gohl

for the feel good hormones, mood,

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Bryan Gohl

depression, motivation,

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Bryan Gohl

energy, things like that.

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00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:21,458

Bryan Gohl

But it's actually not 100% clear why, or

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Bryan Gohl

what's happening, you know, there's the

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Bryan Gohl

hypothesis about, you know, bright light

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00:52:25,875 --> 00:52:28,458

Bryan Gohl

treatment to the face is really good for

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00:52:28,458 --> 00:52:29,333

Bryan Gohl

mood enhancement,

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00:52:29,666 --> 00:52:30,833

Bryan Gohl

which, you know, does work.

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Bryan Gohl

Bright light treatment to the chest has

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00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,875

Bryan Gohl

been shown to be really

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00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:35,791

Bryan Gohl

good for testosterone.

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Bryan Gohl

Red light therapy is bright enough to be

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Bryan Gohl

considered bright light.

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Bryan Gohl

And the infrared light is, you know,

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Bryan Gohl

penetrates deep enough to optimize

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Bryan Gohl

hormonal production.

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Bryan Gohl

So there's, there's definitely a few

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Bryan Gohl

little hypotheses going on.

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Bryan Gohl

But one thing we do know is it

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00:52:52,666 --> 00:52:55,041

Bryan Gohl

consistently has been shown to help with,

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00:52:55,041 --> 00:52:56,666

Bryan Gohl

you know, all sorts of hormones,

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00:52:57,333 --> 00:52:58,458

Bryan Gohl

production, fertility,

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00:52:58,708 --> 00:53:01,666

Bryan Gohl

thyroid, you know, mood, testosterone.

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Rob

Yeah, again, it's, if I was just to sort

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Rob

of speculate, I would say that it's

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Rob

probably got to do with a

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Rob

lot of thyroid function too.

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Rob

Because the moment you're in any sort of

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Rob

hyperthyroid state, you're going to have

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Rob

a very down regulated

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00:53:17,875 --> 00:53:19,833

Rob

ability to, to, well,

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Rob

regulate sex hormones at all.

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Rob

And you're going to have an inability for

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Rob

your mitochondria to produce, to produce

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00:53:28,583 --> 00:53:29,458

Rob

these hormones, which is

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Rob

where they are, again, produced.

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Rob

So yeah, I would, yeah, really put my, my

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Rob

money on improved

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00:53:39,333 --> 00:53:40,750

Rob

thyroid function to where I,

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Rob

excuse me, put my money on improved

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00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:45,791

Rob

thyroid function, sort of

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Rob

driving a lot of these changes.

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00:53:46,916 --> 00:53:48,125

Rob

Obviously the red light and

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00:53:48,125 --> 00:53:49,208

Rob

improving thyroid function.

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00:53:51,916 --> 00:53:55,166

Rob

Brian, we've gotten through a lot today,

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00:53:55,166 --> 00:53:56,708

Rob

but I'd sort of really love it if we

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Rob

could maybe also discuss some of the

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00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,416

Rob

adjunctive therapies that you find really

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Rob

benefit red light therapy.

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Rob

I know there are a bunch out there, a lot

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00:54:05,625 --> 00:54:09,291

Rob

of these so-called biohacks, but with you

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00:54:09,291 --> 00:54:10,666

Rob

being the expert, I'd love to get your

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00:54:10,666 --> 00:54:14,125

Rob

take on what you think is really sort of

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00:54:14,125 --> 00:54:15,125

Rob

a good pairing when it

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00:54:15,125 --> 00:54:16,458

Rob

comes to red light therapy.

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00:54:17,208 --> 00:54:19,708

Rob

Obviously the natural stuff is always

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00:54:19,708 --> 00:54:21,125

Rob

going to be, is always going to be great.

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00:54:21,416 --> 00:54:24,458

Rob

But yeah, just from a sort of gizmos and

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Rob

gadgets standpoint, what have you found

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00:54:26,125 --> 00:54:29,750

Rob

to be a decent, what have you found to be

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00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:30,541

Rob

decent combinations?

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00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:36,125

Bryan Gohl

I'm actually of the opposite mindset and

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Bryan Gohl

I, at this stage, I think it's better to

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Bryan Gohl

keep things isolated because we try, it's

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Bryan Gohl

natural for people like ourselves to try

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00:54:46,708 --> 00:54:48,708

Bryan Gohl

and optimize as much as we can, as quick

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00:54:48,708 --> 00:54:51,250

Bryan Gohl

as we can, and I don't

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00:54:51,250 --> 00:54:52,583

Bryan Gohl

think that's the best way to go.

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00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:55,625

Bryan Gohl

So I know there's a lot of people out

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00:54:55,625 --> 00:54:57,833

Bryan Gohl

there that are talking about either

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00:54:57,833 --> 00:55:01,750

Bryan Gohl

copper peptides for skin or green tea

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00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:04,750

Bryan Gohl

serums for skin and red light therapy.

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00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:06,833

Bryan Gohl

So either doing the red light therapy,

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Bryan Gohl

then putting the special cream on

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00:55:08,333 --> 00:55:10,083

Bryan Gohl

afterwards or the special peptides on

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00:55:10,083 --> 00:55:11,833

Bryan Gohl

afterwards and getting better results.

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Bryan Gohl

All I know about that

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Bryan Gohl

is that it's trending.

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00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:19,583

Bryan Gohl

So I need to do a deep dive on it.

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00:55:20,041 --> 00:55:21,500

Bryan Gohl

It's just another thing that I need to

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00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:23,041

Bryan Gohl

thoroughly look into the science.

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Bryan Gohl

What I'm fearful of is that once I look

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Bryan Gohl

into the science, I'll see, oh, it's the

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00:55:28,791 --> 00:55:31,458

Bryan Gohl

copper peptide manufacturer that's

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00:55:31,458 --> 00:55:33,041

Bryan Gohl

studied, that's that promote, you know,

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00:55:33,041 --> 00:55:35,500

Bryan Gohl

that funded the study to find out how

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00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:37,041

Bryan Gohl

good copper peptides were.

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00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:39,375

Bryan Gohl

I might be wrong, you know,

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00:55:39,375 --> 00:55:40,500

Bryan Gohl

it'd be great if I'm wrong.

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00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:42,541

Bryan Gohl

Obviously, I'm looking to learn and to

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00:55:42,541 --> 00:55:45,458

Bryan Gohl

make sure that I'm up to date, but that's

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00:55:45,458 --> 00:55:46,500

Bryan Gohl

something I still need

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00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:47,791

Bryan Gohl

to do a deep dive on.

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00:55:47,791 --> 00:55:50,000

Bryan Gohl

I know it's trending, copper peptides and

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00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,166

Bryan Gohl

green tea serums and red light therapy.

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00:55:52,916 --> 00:55:55,625

Bryan Gohl

It makes sense why it's supposed to work,

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00:55:56,458 --> 00:55:57,875

Bryan Gohl

but I need to look into the science

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00:55:57,875 --> 00:55:59,583

Bryan Gohl

because everybody's quoting the same

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00:55:59,583 --> 00:56:01,291

Bryan Gohl

scientific resource.

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00:56:01,416 --> 00:56:02,916

Bryan Gohl

So that makes me think like, oh, there's

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Bryan Gohl

only one and it was released by the

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00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:05,916

Bryan Gohl

manufacturer who's

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00:56:05,916 --> 00:56:07,000

Bryan Gohl

making the actual product.

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00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,666

Bryan Gohl

And then the other things, so methylene

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00:56:10,666 --> 00:56:12,375

Bryan Gohl

blue is trending now as well.

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00:56:13,083 --> 00:56:15,000

Bryan Gohl

I'm yet to do a deep dive on it.

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00:56:15,208 --> 00:56:17,125

Bryan Gohl

I know, you know,

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00:56:18,458 --> 00:56:20,458

Bryan Gohl

camp A says methylene blue is the best

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00:56:20,458 --> 00:56:21,208

Bryan Gohl

thing under the sun.

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00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,750

Bryan Gohl

Camp B says you shouldn't do methylene

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00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:24,541

Bryan Gohl

blue at all because

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00:56:24,541 --> 00:56:26,000

Bryan Gohl

it's a nasty chemical.

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00:56:27,041 --> 00:56:28,083

Bryan Gohl

It's something that I still

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00:56:28,083 --> 00:56:30,666

Bryan Gohl

have to dive into and find out.

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00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:35,291

Bryan Gohl

You know, I know red light therapy works

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00:56:35,291 --> 00:56:37,708

Bryan Gohl

because, you know, I've been messing

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00:56:37,708 --> 00:56:39,250

Bryan Gohl

around with it for 10 years now.

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00:56:39,250 --> 00:56:41,250

Bryan Gohl

And I've got hundreds of thousands of

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00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:43,125

Bryan Gohl

clients that know it works as well.

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00:56:43,875 --> 00:56:45,708

Bryan Gohl

So I'm just always cautious to say like,

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00:56:46,041 --> 00:56:46,625

Bryan Gohl

oh, but you've got to

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00:56:46,625 --> 00:56:47,583

Bryan Gohl

go buy the cream now.

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00:56:47,583 --> 00:56:49,083

Bryan Gohl

Just make sure you get the cream or make

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00:56:49,083 --> 00:56:50,958

Bryan Gohl

sure you get this other thing to make it

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00:56:50,958 --> 00:56:53,000

Bryan Gohl

work because it's what's it been doing

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00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:53,958

Bryan Gohl

for the last 10 years.

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00:56:54,666 --> 00:56:56,166

Bryan Gohl

But I am open to

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00:56:56,166 --> 00:56:57,083

Bryan Gohl

learning new information.

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00:56:58,125 --> 00:56:59,833

Bryan Gohl

Now, as far as combining it with other

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00:56:59,833 --> 00:57:03,666

Bryan Gohl

bio hacks like sauna and ice bath or, you

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00:57:03,666 --> 00:57:06,250

Bryan Gohl

know, fasting, things like that, I tell

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00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:09,291

Bryan Gohl

in my own life and I tell my clients, I

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00:57:09,291 --> 00:57:10,916

Bryan Gohl

think it's better to keep those separate

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00:57:10,916 --> 00:57:12,541

Bryan Gohl

because each of them

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00:57:12,541 --> 00:57:14,291

Bryan Gohl

are a hormetic stressor.

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00:57:14,750 --> 00:57:19,291

Bryan Gohl

They cause a specific cascade of hormones

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00:57:19,291 --> 00:57:21,666

Bryan Gohl

in the body and different proteins and

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00:57:21,666 --> 00:57:22,500

Bryan Gohl

enzymes or whatever.

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00:57:23,333 --> 00:57:25,500

Bryan Gohl

And if you do too many at once, or even

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00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:27,666

Bryan Gohl

if you just do two of them at once, you

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00:57:27,666 --> 00:57:30,000

Bryan Gohl

might be forcing your body to

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00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,500

Bryan Gohl

prioritize one over the other.

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00:57:32,166 --> 00:57:33,625

Bryan Gohl

So if you do your ice bath and

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00:57:33,625 --> 00:57:35,500

Bryan Gohl

immediately jump in front of a red light,

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00:57:36,083 --> 00:57:38,333

Bryan Gohl

which one is going to be doing the work?

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00:57:38,333 --> 00:57:39,000

Bryan Gohl

Which one is your

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00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,208

Bryan Gohl

body going to respond to?

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00:57:40,541 --> 00:57:42,625

Bryan Gohl

Because the benefits of the ice bath last

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00:57:42,625 --> 00:57:44,125

Bryan Gohl

for hours and hours afterwards.

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00:57:44,666 --> 00:57:46,500

Bryan Gohl

The benefits of red light therapy last

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00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:48,000

Bryan Gohl

for hours and hours afterwards.

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00:57:48,708 --> 00:57:52,250

Bryan Gohl

And it's my understanding at this stage

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Bryan Gohl

that if you do too much at once, your

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00:57:54,916 --> 00:57:57,166

Bryan Gohl

body has to prioritize and it has to

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00:57:57,166 --> 00:57:58,791

Bryan Gohl

focus on one thing while all

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00:57:58,791 --> 00:58:00,375

Bryan Gohl

the others is forgotten about.

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00:58:00,375 --> 00:58:01,750

Bryan Gohl

You know, it's that a classic

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00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:03,083

Bryan Gohl

illustration is going to

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00:58:03,083 --> 00:58:04,000

Bryan Gohl

sleep on a full stomach.

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00:58:04,583 --> 00:58:06,000

Bryan Gohl

You're going to have a terrible sleep

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,791

Bryan Gohl

because for your body to sleep well, it

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00:58:08,791 --> 00:58:10,208

Bryan Gohl

needs to have an empty it

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00:58:10,208 --> 00:58:11,791

Bryan Gohl

needs to be doing nothing else.

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00:58:12,125 --> 00:58:14,458

Bryan Gohl

So that the sleep hormones and all the

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00:58:14,458 --> 00:58:15,958

Bryan Gohl

processes that are supposed to happen

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00:58:15,958 --> 00:58:17,000

Bryan Gohl

during sleep can happen.

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00:58:17,541 --> 00:58:19,625

Bryan Gohl

But if you go and have a big meal and

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00:58:19,625 --> 00:58:21,500

Bryan Gohl

then jump into bed, your body's like,

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00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:23,375

Bryan Gohl

well, I can't sleep until

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00:58:23,375 --> 00:58:24,541

Bryan Gohl

I've digested all this food.

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00:58:25,041 --> 00:58:26,791

Bryan Gohl

So we've got to digest for a few hours.

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And by that time, you try and then get

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your deep sleep and your REM sleep, but

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half the night is gone.

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And I think it's similar for all the

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other, you know, at least the physical

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hacks that that I know of so far.

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Rob

Yeah, I'd agree with

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that at a high level.

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I definitely think that

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people are in a bell shaped curve.

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Rob

So you're going to have

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outliers in either extreme.

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I mean, I know if I eat too far away from

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bed and if I go to bed, even slightly

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hungry, I cannot sleep.

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I get a surge in catecholines, my

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cortisol goes up, no adrenaline goes up,

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and that's me, I'm done.

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I need to have a certain amount of food,

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whether it's just sort of protein, fat,

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carbohydrate, whatever, just to help sort

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of satiate that those high

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levels of catecholamines.

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Rob

I think the thing about

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Rob

methylene blue is interesting.

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Rob

Again, yeah, it's going to be an electron

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Rob

donor specifically, which is going to

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help with that mitochondrial spin.

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Rob

So then if you pair it with red light,

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you're going to have increased ATP

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turnover, which can be a detrimental

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detriment as well, especially if somebody

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Rob

has existing high levels of inflammation.

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Rob

Because as you know, the process of

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creating energy, oxidative

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phosphorylation, creates a certain amount

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of reactive oxygen species, which can

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cause excessive oxidative stress.

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So in someone who is already in a state

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of poor mitochondrial health, these

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Rob

products can be beneficial.

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Rob

But when you sort of aren't necessarily

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Rob

unhealthy, and you just start pairing

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Rob

these and stacking these modalities, you

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can end up doing yourself

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a fair amount of damage.

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Rob

And I know that's something that Paul

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Rob

Saladinas talked about recently.

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Rob

And I think people are naturally inclined

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Rob

to sort of want to crank things up to 11,

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and they sort of really believe in the

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idea that if 1 plus 1 is great, then 1

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Rob

plus 1 plus 1 must be even better.

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Rob

But the body doesn't work like that.

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Rob

Ultimately, you can push it to the point

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Rob

where you start to

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create more damage than not.

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Rob

And there is really too much.

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Rob

There can be too much of a good thing.

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Rob

So yeah, I think those are sage words and

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things that the audience should

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definitely listen to and sort

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of apply to their own lives.

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Rob

Because there really is a point in which

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Rob

you can overdo all of these things.

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Rob

I mean, the same thing

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Rob

applies to diet and fasting.

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Rob

Fasting is great, too much fasting is

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Rob

also detriment and can create all sorts

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Rob

of hormonal dysfunction.

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Rob

I know this has been a lot of information

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Rob

for the listeners, Brian.

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Rob

So I'd love it if we could just maybe put

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Rob

it all together in a

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Rob

sort of a TLDR of sorts.

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Rob

If someone is new to red light therapy

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Rob

and just wants a 101, as it were,

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Rob

what would your advice be?

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Rob

I mean, apart from getting a red light

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Rob

therapy panel from you guys?

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Bryan Gohl

I mean, if they wanted a 101, if they

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wanted like quick hit information,

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my ex account is the place to go.

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Bryan Gohl

Because today, I'm actually later on

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today, I don't know when this podcast

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will come out, but later on today, I'm

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publishing the top 15 FAQs I've been

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Bryan Gohl

asked for the last 10 years.

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Bryan Gohl

So if someone's brand new to red light

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therapy, you read that post and you're

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going to be ahead of 99% of people when

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Bryan Gohl

it comes to

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Bryan Gohl

understanding red light therapy.

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Bryan Gohl

And then all my other posts are about

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Bryan Gohl

slightly different

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Bryan Gohl

aspects of red light therapy.

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Bryan Gohl

So my intention with my ex account,

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similar to Instagram, we've kind of lost

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focus on Instagram a little

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bit and focus on more on ex now.

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Bryan Gohl

But it's basically my intention is that

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it's a place where you can go and sit for

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half an hour, scroll through my page, and

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just you read 10 posts and you're going

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Bryan Gohl

to have more information than you would

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Bryan Gohl

get from, you know, let's say five hours

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Bryan Gohl

watching YouTube videos.

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Bryan Gohl

That's if someone's interested in

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Bryan Gohl

educating themselves,

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that's a great place to start.

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Bryan Gohl

Another good place would just be our

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website redlightrising.com.

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Bryan Gohl

And in the bottom corner, right hand

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Bryan Gohl

corner of the screen, there's a WhatsApp

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button, you just hit that button, send

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Bryan Gohl

your questions in and questions in and

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Bryan Gohl

myself or someone from the team will

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answer all the questions there.

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Bryan Gohl

And then that's, you know, if from an

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information standpoint,

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that's all you're going to need.

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Bryan Gohl

Of course, you can go and

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look on YouTube and all that.

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Bryan Gohl

But it's all the same

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Bryan Gohl

information to be honest.

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Rob

Yeah, it is.

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Rob

Thank you very much for that.

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Rob

I mean, you've already answered my last

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Rob

question now, which is

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Rob

where people can find you.

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Rob

I assume redlightrising.co.uk.

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Rob

Is that right?

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Bryan Gohl

That will work.

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Bryan Gohl

But we've recently changed

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Bryan Gohl

it to redlightrising.com.

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Bryan Gohl

Perfect.

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Bryan Gohl

So they can do that.

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Bryan Gohl

And then my Twitter is or X is actually

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Bryan Gohl

just my name, Brian

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Bryan Gohl

Gull, B-R-Y-A-N-G-O-H-L.

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Rob

Perfect.

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Rob

Well, we'll be sure to link

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Rob

all of that in the show notes.

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Rob

Brian, this has been a fascinating

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Rob

conversation and thank you for your time.

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Rob

I am grateful for it.

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Rob

And I know this discussion is going to be

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Rob

valuable to the listeners.

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Rob

So thank you very much.

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Bryan Gohl

You're most welcome.

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Bryan Gohl

Thank you for having me, Rob.