Starbucks is betting on mugs and macchiato art as part of its new CEOs plan.

According to Bloomberg, when customers walk into Starbucks, when they walked into Starbucks this week, actually on Monday, the vibes are going to be different.

Did you feel it?

I did not feel it.

But did you feel it, Chris?

Did you go into Starbucks?

I haven't been yet this week.

I haven't been to Starbucks yet.

But we get to Florida, this is the first thing I'm doing.

Okay.

Workers will now ask guests if they want drinks for here or to go, offering ceramic mugs for those who want to stay.

Baristas will also be more vigilant.

This is my favorite about topping with a caramel cross hatch pattern made up of exactly seven vertical lines and seven horizontal lines which will take seven minutes too long in my opinion.

Finished with a spiral.

Now, Chris, do you agree with new CEO Brian Nichols move to offer ceramic mugs to in store customers and do a crosshatch caramel pattern?

What do you think?

Oh my God, this is so many jokes coming into my head.

But anyway, to answer that question, no, I actually don't.

I think, I think he's moving way too fast on this an.

Way too fast.

You know, I've said on the show many times I've been 100% bought in on the 4 minutes or less idea and I have noticed a discernible difference in store wait times versus ordering on mobile.

So I give him big points on that and big marketing credit for that too.

Cause he's done a masterful job on that.

But here's the other thing.

And dude, Brian has only been enrolled since September, which is like less than four months, you know, like so, so.

And now you're introducing ceramic comps on a massive scale to roll out across the chain.

That's a huge change.

Like I'm like, how, how long did you test that?

Like that's the type of thing to me that should be tested for at least six months, if, if not a year.

So and then, and then the example thing too is like, or the other question I have is like, what about the environments themselves?

Like, you know, like I would say that the environments at Starbucks in general need to be improved.

Like if I look at the variance, the variance between like the different stores that are around me, like the three different stores, they're all different environments.

Like I'm not going to want ceramic mugs in all of those.

I might want them in some of them, but not all of them.

So why am I rolling this out to all Stores.

So it feels like you're putting the cart before the horse.

Before the horse, before the horse.

But I don't know, maybe it's not that big of a change, but I just think, like, you know, not understanding the impact of spills, more mess, more tilts in the operations, that you have to evaluate it for longer because, you know, if it doesn't work or causes some wrinkle down the line, then what do you do?

Do you pull it back?

I don't know.

It's.

At the end of the day, this feels like leadership by fiat to me, based on how quickly it's happening.

And whenever leadership by fiat happens, that concerns me.

So I'm a little worried about this in the long run.

What's leadership by fiat?

Yeah, it means like, three.

Like, I'm, I'm.

Like, I'm.

I'm.

I'm smarter than everyone else.

And this is what I'm going to tell our organization to do.

Regardless of testing it or understanding if it's the right move.

This just feels like too fast for me.

I'm not saying it's wrong.

Yeah.

But, wow, it seems riskier to me than probably the media is going to pick up on.

And then the impacts of the experience in the long run could be bad because what if.

I mean, Starbucks stores have not been very clean of late?

Like, what if they're just sitting around, like, just on tables, like, not picked up and stuff?

And like, I don't know, it could just detract from the overall experience, too.

Yeah.

I mean, I think my bigger issue with this is, like, your whole goal is about throughput.

Like, you need to make more money at Starbucks.

And this doesn't seem like a way.

I don't understand how this is doing it.

Or, you know, like you said, introducing a new.

A new version of how you get your coffee and having to clean that and clean, you know, mugs that are left around the.

Like, you're taking people away from doing the work of making the coffee faster and getting more product through.

You've always been on the other side of this argument.

You don't actually like that he's going this direction at all.

You, like, just, like getting the throughput, getting it in the hands, going faster, faster, faster.

Yeah, right, right.

For sure.

I.

I just, I don't think this makes any sense.

The only thing I could think of is, like, now that you have ceramic mugs and they just put in this new rule, like, you can't loiter at a Starbucks.

You have to buy something, like, maybe now there's no lid on the cup, so they can be like, get out of here.

Your coffee's gone.

Go buy more or get out of the store.

So that's the only logic I have, which is a super stretch that they'd be able to see with a ceramic mug that there's no more coffee left, and they can kick people out.

That's, that's it.

That's all I got, Chris.

Really?

That's what you, you think it's that.

Wow, that's crazy.

I, no, I don't really think that.

I'm just.

Yeah, you don't think that.

But that's like digging deep.

I'm like, maybe with my ceramic, you know, if I'm sitting at a table and I can have an empty cup sitting there for four hours, as we know some people like to do, like, maybe then, I don't know.

I, I, I, I have no idea.

Okay, so let's, let's put our money where our mouth is real quick on this.

Let's eat what we cook, and let's go test this out this week when we're in Florida.

But, so, so you're saying having your coffee in a ceramic mug would have no impact on your desire to sit inside of a Starbucks?

No, I prefer not to have a ceramic mug, actually.

Yeah.

Like in the, in a Starbucks.

Like, I, I, I'm not there for long.

I want to get in and get out.

There's no Starbucks is still not an environment that makes me want to stay.

So I want, there's no reason for me to have a ceramic mug in that place.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to get at, too, is, I think maybe, but it's not the first thing that needs to happen for me to feel like I want to stay there.

Right.

It's like the third or fourth decision criteria for me of wanting to stay there, and the environment and the design of the environment and the cleanliness of the environment is first and foremost.

So.