1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,080 How to Speak Effectively: 2 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:01,400 Influence, 3 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:01,640 Engage, 4 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:05,400 & Charm (How to be More Likable and Charismatic Book 29) 5 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:05,720 Written by 6 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:12,360 Patrick King, narrated by russell newton. 7 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:13,760 In the chapter that follows, 8 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,040 we’re going to look closely at 9 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,360 exactly what makes communication 10 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,680 effective ...and what makes it 11 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,000 miscommunication. 12 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,040 We’ll consider the importance of 13 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,400 understanding the other person’s 14 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,680 frame of reference, 15 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,360 how to frame your own position, 16 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,160 what “chunking” is and how to use 17 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:28,720 it, 18 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,960 and how to adjust your mindset so you 19 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,120 become a conscious, 20 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,360 clean communicator. 21 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:35,600 But first, 22 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,080 what is miscommunication? 23 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,160 Have you ever been speaking with 24 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:40,040 someone, 25 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,440 feeling as though you are “reaching 26 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,520 them,” when all of a sudden, 27 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,680 they say something that lets you know 28 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,400 that you are both on completely 29 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,160 different wavelengths? 30 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:49,600 It can be a disorienting and 31 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,280 frustrating experience, 32 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,880 but miscommunication happens for a 33 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,000 reason—and it can be avoided. 34 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,000 Poor communication arises as a result 35 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,160 of a mismatch of perspectives, 36 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,080 approach, 37 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,040 or conversational skill. 38 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,560 Being an effective communicator means 39 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,160 appreciating that the complicated 40 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,440 process of communication doesn’t 41 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:09,640 happen by accident. 42 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,760 To avoid misunderstandings you need to 43 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,680 consciously and actively take charge of 44 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,840 the process—and this is especially 45 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,360 true when your message is subtle, 46 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:21,320 nuanced, 47 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:24,000 or very abstract. 48 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,880 If you examine any moment of 49 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,560 miscommunication clearly, 50 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,160 you’ll see that understanding breaks 51 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,880 down for a few reasons - 52 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,520 •One or both of you has failed to 53 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,920 understand how the other is viewing 54 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,280 things. 55 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,320 •Faulty assumptions have been made, 56 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:41,320 or someone has jumped to conclusions. 57 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:42,400 In 1974, 58 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,400 business professor Chris Argyris 59 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:46,560 created a handy tool for better 60 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:47,480 communication, 61 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,520 which he called "the ladder of 62 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,720 inference" (sometimes called "the 63 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:52,840 ladder of inquiry"). 64 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,880 The ladder is a metaphor for the way 65 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,360 people think whenever they are given 66 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,960 new information. 67 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,680 It’s about how new data and 68 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,360 information is processed. 69 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,080 What’s useful about his metaphor is 70 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,600 that it reminds us in a simple way that 71 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,000 different people tend to process 72 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,240 information in different ways. 73 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,880 If we are unaware that this is 74 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,720 happening, 75 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,320 we can talk at cross-purposes—and 76 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,000 miscommunication arises. 77 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:19,840 Before we look at the ladder, 78 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,720 let’s consider an example. 79 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,640 Imagine a couple working together on a 80 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:24,440 household budget. 81 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,120 Jamie is looking back at the past six 82 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,240 months and trying to find out where 83 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,520 they overspent and why. 84 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,600 Alex is looking ahead to the next six 85 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,080 months and trying to figure out what 86 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,240 kind of summer vacation they can afford. 87 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,720 They end up having an enormous 88 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,600 argument, 89 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,800 with Jamie thinking that Alex is not 90 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,280 taking money concerns seriously, 91 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,880 or taking responsibility for 92 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,800 overspending, 93 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,560 whereas Alex cannot see why Jamie is 94 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,960 stuck on what is in the past and cannot 95 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:52,520 be changed. 96 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,640 They both find themselves saying 97 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,320 “I’m just trying to get a handle on 98 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,360 our financial situation!” and yet 99 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,720 mysteriously they also both feel that 100 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,640 the other one is getting in the way. 101 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:04,520 What’s happened here? 102 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,800 According to Argyris, 103 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,920 communication has broken down, 104 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:10,440 and it’s because Jamie and Alex are 105 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,560 on different rungs of the ladder of 106 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,280 inference. 107 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,200 If you’ve ever experienced a 108 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,200 communication breakdown of this kind, 109 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,200 you’ll know that it can be very 110 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,120 subtle and hard to pinpoint. 111 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,720 Often, 112 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,200 we are only actually aware of our 113 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,000 assumptions, 114 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,560 expectations, 115 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,080 and frames of reference when they 116 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,480 conflict with someone else’s! 117 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,840 But this is where the ladder comes in. 118 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,000 It looks as follows. 119 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,200 Imagine a ladder with each rung getting 120 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,240 gradually smaller from bottom to top - . 121 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:39,880 ACTIONS. . 122 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,080 BELIEFS. . 123 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,160 CONCLUSIONS. . 124 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,440 ASSUMPTIONS. . 125 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,080 MEANINGS. . 126 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,560 SELECTED DATA. . 127 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,280 OBSERVATIONS. . 128 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,320 Now imagine that this ladder is 129 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,920 standing in a big puddle of water, 130 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,240 which we’ll call the POOL OF 131 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,080 OBSERVATIONS. . 132 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,920 This pool contains all the possible 133 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,760 observations we can make about the 134 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,920 world—theoretically, 135 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,880 there are infinite possibilities. 136 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,840 The next rung up is OBSERVATIONS. 137 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,880 These are all the observations that you 138 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,920 select from the candidates of potential. 139 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,600 We’ll look at what causes you to 140 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,200 select some observations and not others 141 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:19,840 in just a moment. 142 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:23,640 The next rung is about the pieces of 143 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,760 information you further select from 144 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,160 these selected observations, 145 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,000 SELECTED DATA. .i.e., 146 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,160 it’s a subset. 147 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,080 You’re further narrowing down the 148 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,200 data you are focusing on. 149 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,400 The next rung is MEANING, 150 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,360 which is the significance you attach to 151 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,920 these selected observations. 152 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,600 The next rung, 153 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,600 ASSUMPTIONS. . is what you do with 154 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:45,160 this meaning. 155 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,760 You extrapolate or make assumptions 156 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,640 based on the meaning you’ve extracted 157 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,960 from the observations. 158 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,200 On the next rung you come to 159 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,160 CONCLUSIONS. .to make sense about what 160 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,160 this all amounts to, 161 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:57,720 and finally, 162 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,480 these conclusions inform your BELIEFS. 163 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,560 .about the world and your place in it. 164 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Consequently, 165 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,240 every ACTION you take, 166 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,480 the last rung, 167 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,880 is informed by this long chain of 168 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,800 inferences and meaning making. 169 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Furthermore, 170 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,680 the ladder doesn’t just go one way. 171 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Once you make meaning and take an 172 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,520 action in accordance with those 173 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:19,040 beliefs, 174 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,760 then those beliefs actually tend to 175 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,080 affect the data you are likely to 176 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,760 select next time round on the SELECTED 177 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,320 DATA. .rung. 178 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,400 Can you see where this is going? 179 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,120 There are two potential problems - 1. 180 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,640 Though everyone may begin in the same 181 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,520 puddle of potential observations, 182 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,200 each person ends up constructing their 183 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,680 own unique ladder from those 184 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,600 observations all the way up to the 185 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:42,520 actions they take. 186 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,520 If those ladders lead to completely 187 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,680 different assumptions, 188 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,440 meanings, 189 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,000 beliefs, 190 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,440 and ultimately actions, 191 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,440 then conflict can arise. 192 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,040 2. 193 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,040 Conflict can also occur, 194 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,800 as we saw with Jamie and Alex, 195 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,520 when two people are on different rungs 196 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,280 and trying to talk with one another 197 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:01,440 from different positions. 198 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,160 In our example, 199 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Jamie is on the SELECTED DATA. .and 200 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:06,960 MEANING rungs, 201 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,280 trying to understand what went wrong 202 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:11,560 and piece it all together (and, 203 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:12,360 honestly, 204 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:13,120 assign blame ...). 205 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,680 Alex, 206 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:15,320 however, 207 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,200 is on the BELIEFS. .or ACTIONS. 208 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:16,600 .rung, 209 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,600 and is already looking for ways to move 210 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,680 on from the fact that they overspent. 211 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,160 It may be, 212 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:22,760 however, 213 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,520 that even if Jamie and Alex were on the 214 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:25,280 same rung, 215 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:28,120 they may disagree on what meanings to 216 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,880 ascribe to observations, 217 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,840 and what beliefs and actions to take as 218 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:32,280 a result. 219 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:33,680 However, 220 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,360 good communication doesn’t 221 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,600 necessarily mean agreement—it means 222 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,320 understanding. 223 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,440 Jamie and Alex can have a fruitful, 224 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,840 productive conversation even though 225 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,000 they ultimately disagree. 226 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,600 At the same time, 227 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,920 they can have an argument even when 228 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,760 they both want the same thing and 229 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:51,760 essentially agree! 230 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,560 How To Use The Ladder In Your Own Life. 231 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,360 The ladder is an excellent way to 232 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,160 identify, 233 00:06:59,160 --> 00:06:59,920 defuse, 234 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,040 and resolve conflict. 235 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,840 It’s a way to shed light on 236 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:05,040 misunderstandings and get everyone 237 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:05,840 moving forward again. 238 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:08,320 If you find yourself in a situation 239 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,280 where you or others are “talking past 240 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,400 one another,” then this is your 241 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,000 signal that communication is going to 242 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,760 break down—or already has. 243 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,640 The first thing to do is check which 244 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,200 rung each speaker is on. 245 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,960 If the person you’re talking to has 246 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,000 an objection that comes from a rung 247 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:26,920 lower than yours, 248 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,880 it needs to be addressed first before 249 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,400 moving on. 250 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,200 Your discussion should focus on 251 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,160 bringing you both up the ladder 252 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:35,720 together. 253 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:36,360 For example, 254 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,160 if Alex identifies that Jamie is on a 255 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:40,440 lower rung, 256 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,440 then the objections made start to make 257 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,080 more sense. 258 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,800 Alex can now address them. 259 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,120 Jamie - “You’re not listening. 260 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,320 We spent five hundred dollars more last 261 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,080 month on eating out than we said we 262 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:54,440 would. 263 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,240 That’s a big deal!" 264 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,120 Alex - “Okay, 265 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,840 it seems like you’re really worried 266 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,440 about how much we overspent. 267 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,040 I agree with you, 268 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:03,680 it’s a lot. 269 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Why do you think it happened?" 270 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,440 (Here, 271 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,480 Alex is asking Jamie to move to the 272 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:11,440 next rung, 273 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:12,040 MEANING. ) 274 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,480 Jamie - “Well, 275 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:15,120 we were careless, 276 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:15,520 that’s all. 277 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,000 We weren’t paying attention." 278 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Alex - “I agree. 279 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,160 It crept up on us. 280 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,640 Now I’m sure you’ll agree with me, 281 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:23,960 though, 282 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,720 that there’s nothing we can do about 283 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:26,200 it now. 284 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,560 And if we want to do better next time 285 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,280 round, 286 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,640 we need to start looking at the future." 287 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,600 (Now, 288 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,920 to the next rung—can you see the two 289 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,120 ASSUMPTIONS. .made?) 290 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,920 Jamie - “Yes, 291 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:39,280 okay. 292 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,320 Let’s do that." 293 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,320 Alex - “Unless we make some changes, 294 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,320 we’re going to be in big trouble ( 295 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,720 CONCLUSIONS-ellipses.- Now I know 296 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,120 money’s tight, 297 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,920 but I still believe that going on 298 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,280 vacations is very important, 299 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,800 and I don’t want to suddenly stop 300 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,400 doing everything we enjoy ( 301 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,520 BELIEFS-ellipses.- So I think moving 302 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:00,000 forward, 303 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,720 I want to figure out some smart ways we 304 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,840 can still do the things we love without 305 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,680 spending too much money ( ACTIONS...” 306 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,320 Jamie - “Yes, 307 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,840 that makes a lot of sense. 308 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,200 I want to do that too." 309 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,200 Now, 310 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,880 there is no more disagreement in which 311 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,440 Jamie keeps reiterating how bad they 312 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:20,480 were to overspend, 313 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,760 while Alex feels guilty for planning 314 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:23,480 vacations. 315 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,120 They’re communicating again. 316 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,920 Granted, 317 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:27,840 in this example, 318 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:28,840 we’ve kept things very simple and 319 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:29,560 straightforward; 320 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:30,800 in real life, 321 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,720 each of these “rungs” may take a 322 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:33,560 long time, 323 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:35,360 perhaps even days. 324 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,760 And though in our example Alex very 325 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,080 neatly “leads” Jamie, 326 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,640 in reality this process would be a lot 327 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:43,480 more subtle, 328 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,840 complex, 329 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,120 and collaborative. 330 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,600 There may well be disagreement or 331 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,200 compromise. 332 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,200 But ultimately communication is 333 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,760 improved because people are reasoning 334 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:54,320 together, 335 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,520 rather than at cross-purposes. 336 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,040 The ladder can also be useful any time 337 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,160 you are trying to get someone to 338 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,800 understand your own actions, 339 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,040 or proposed actions. 340 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,920 Whenever you want to “bring someone 341 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,240 around” to your point of view, 342 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,440 don’t start with the top of the 343 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,640 ladder—bring them along with you and 344 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,600 take each step of the ladder at a time 345 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,000 so they can see how the inferences and 346 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,320 assumptions of your argument gradually 347 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,360 build on one another. 348 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,760 It’s true that someone understanding 349 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:24,720 your thought process doesn’t 350 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,840 necessarily have to agree with you 351 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:27,440 afterward. 352 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,320 The good thing is that if you use the 353 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:31,880 ladder technique, 354 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,240 you will almost always avoid 355 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,160 misunderstandings and miscommunication, 356 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,360 and you will give yourself the best 357 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,600 chance of actually being heard. 358 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Another great thing about the ladder is 359 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:44,960 that it shows you that the process of 360 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,040 thinking contains many separate, 361 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,760 sequential components—and skipping 362 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,160 one can sometimes lead to sloppy 363 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:52,880 thinking and, 364 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,080 of course, 365 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,320 miscommunication. 366 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,120 It can be useful sometimes to use the 367 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,360 ladder to slow down and examine your 368 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,360 own thought processes. 369 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Try working backward almost 370 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,800 “forensically” - 1. 371 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,360 What beliefs have inspired your actions? 372 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,880 2. 373 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,400 What conclusions do you have about a 374 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,600 situation, 375 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,560 yourself, 376 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:19,560 others, 377 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:21,480 or the world that informed those 378 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,000 beliefs? 379 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,600 3. 380 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,520 What assumptions are you making? 381 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,320 (A great question is to ask whether you 382 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,160 really have much evidence for them, 383 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,160 and investigate what changes if you 384 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,000 make different assumptions or none at 385 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,960 all). 386 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:37,920 4. 387 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,800 What meaning are you ascribing to your 388 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:40,560 experiences? 389 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,240 5. 390 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,840 What are you focusing on? 391 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,880 What data are you selecting from your 392 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,520 environment to act on—or else, 393 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,560 what information have you discounted, 394 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:51,520 ignored, 395 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,760 or forgotten about? 396 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,280 6. 397 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:55,720 Finally, 398 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,240 can you look once more with fresh eyes 399 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,560 at the observations around you? 400 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:01,320 For a moment, 401 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,840 can you do this without any 402 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:03,600 interpretation? 403 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,080 Asking these questions can reveal 404 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,000 interesting ways that our own thinking 405 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:09,840 has gone astray, 406 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,240 and if we can get a better 407 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,240 understanding of that, 408 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,120 we instantly become better 409 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:14,960 communicators. 410 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:15,840 After all, 411 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,600 how can we expect clear and conscious 412 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,720 communication with others when we 413 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,680 ourselves are unclear on our 414 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:23,480 motivations, 415 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,080 expectations, 416 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,120 and the meaning we ascribe to any 417 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:27,920 situation? 418 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,560 The ladder can be used formally or 419 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:32,520 informally, 420 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,960 and for big complex chunks of data as 421 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,320 well as more simple information. 422 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,680 It is highly adjustable, 423 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,320 but its strength is that it forces you 424 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,320 to look at things you might have taken 425 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,200 for granted. 426 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,760 For example, 427 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,120 you might use the framework in a 428 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:46,960 meeting you are leading. 429 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,200 If you understand the meeting as an 430 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,960 exercise in getting everyone to 431 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,440 “think together,” then you can 432 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,840 structure the meeting so that it moves 433 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,400 deliberately from one rung to the other. 434 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,800 This gives you time to iron out 435 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,840 objections or confusions rather than 436 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,560 rushing ahead to the higher rungs and 437 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:05,720 risking a full-on conflict. 438 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,440 A few further key insights as you use 439 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,040 the ladder in your own communication - 440 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,280 Nobody is “wrong." 441 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,200 The ladder is not there to help you 442 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,600 find out who is to blame! 443 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:17,440 Also, 444 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,640 the person who is higher on the ladder 445 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,680 isn’t necessarily faster, 446 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:22,960 more intelligent, 447 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,160 more correct, 448 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,040 or more motivated. 449 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,200 As we’ve seen, 450 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,280 misunderstandings usually arise because 451 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,240 of mismatch—that doesn’t mean that 452 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,640 there has to be a good guy and a bad 453 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:33,960 guy. 454 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,640 It just means something is not aligning. 455 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Switch focus from content to process. 456 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,200 Too many arguments are sustained 457 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,920 because people are distracted by the 458 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,640 content of what is being said—but 459 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,680 usually the problem is the way it’s 460 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:50,400 being said, 461 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,120 and the reasoning behind that. 462 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,280 As you talk to someone, 463 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,000 become tuned in to the way they are 464 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,440 thinking—and the way you are thinking! 465 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:00,800 Keep your ego out of it. 466 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Disagreement and conflict have a way of 467 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,360 activating our defenses and making us 468 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,600 wrongly believe that we are the model 469 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,240 of good reasoning, 470 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,520 and everyone else is mistaken, 471 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,520 stupid, 472 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:13,400 crazy, 473 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:13,840 wrong, 474 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:14,200 bad, 475 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,000 etc. 476 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,640 But slow down and consider your 477 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:18,480 reasoning, 478 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:19,960 their reasoning, 479 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,480 and the way the two are interacting. 480 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,920 Remember that you are not just applying 481 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,680 the ladder analysis to them, 482 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,280 but to yourself as well. 483 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,480 You might feel like you want to stand 484 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,600 on the top of your own ladder and yell 485 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,280 your opinion to all who will hear it, 486 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,880 but this is just ego talking and will 487 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:39,600 get you nowhere. 488 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,880 Ask questions. 489 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,960 Finally, 490 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,080 one way to become a better communicator 491 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,320 is to actively engage them in the 492 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,280 process of examining the underlying 493 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,720 reasoning behind action and opinion. 494 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,000 Ask with genuine curiosity. 495 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,080 Why do they think X. Y. Z. ? 496 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,720 What facts do they know, 497 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,040 and what do those facts mean to them? 498 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:04,840 Why? 499 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:05,920 How? 500 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,400 To conclude, 501 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,320 most of us experience the objective 502 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,080 world subjectively and selectively. 503 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,600 We focus on specific facts only, 504 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,240 interpret what those facts mean based 505 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,360 on certain assumptions, 506 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,720 come to conclusions based on these 507 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,200 assumptions, 508 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,680 allow these conclusions to shape our 509 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,160 beliefs, 510 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,640 and then let these beliefs guide our 511 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,960 action ...as well as determine what 512 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,520 facts we focus on in the future. 513 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,200 This process can be an opportunity to 514 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,000 create a strong, 515 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:36,480 effective, 516 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:37,840 and healthy way of looking at the 517 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:38,600 world, 518 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,960 or it can become an unconscious echo 519 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,440 chamber that ends up amplifying and 520 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:45,960 replicating the same errors again and 521 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,040 again. 522 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,240 Framing. 523 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,000 If you’re like most people, 524 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,120 you listen to respond. 525 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,160 You’re reactive. 526 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,680 You let conversations go whichever way 527 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,160 they go. 528 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,640 But good communicators approach things 529 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:03,240 a little differently. 530 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,920 They are more likely to proactively set 531 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,600 the frame for a conversation. 532 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,360 What is a “frame”? 533 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,360 It’s simply the way you position your 534 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,360 line of thinking by your particular 535 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,720 choice of words and expression. 536 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,120 It’s the kind of thing that will 537 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,440 appear to be everywhere once you know 538 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,040 to look for it. 539 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,760 It’s how we develop our arguments, 540 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,240 “lead” our listeners along paths of 541 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,400 reasoning and inference, 542 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,600 and deliberately use language for a 543 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,640 special purpose we have chosen. 544 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,080 Consider the following speech made by 545 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,360 Barack Obama at the 2004 Democratic 546 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,000 National Convention - “There’s not 547 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,080 a liberal America and a conservative 548 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:44,680 America; 549 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,400 there’s the United States of America. 550 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,240 There’s not a Black America and white 551 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,520 America and Latino America and Asian 552 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:52,920 America; 553 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,400 there’s the United States of America 554 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,280 ... We are one people, 555 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,440 all of us pledging allegiance to the 556 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,360 stars and stripes, 557 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,120 all of us defending the United States 558 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:03,640 of America. 559 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:04,200 In the end, 560 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,440 that’s what this election is about. 561 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,840 Do we participate in a politics of 562 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:10,440 cynicism, 563 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,960 or do we participate in a politics of 564 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:13,280 hope?" 565 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,240 Notice how he has structured his 566 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,440 speech—notice the frame by which he 567 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,560 is delivering his message. 568 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,480 He did not simply stand up on the stage 569 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,760 and announce - “It’s important for 570 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,560 us to remember who we are as 571 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,040 Americans” or even “it’s time 572 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,320 there was an African American 573 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:29,800 president, 574 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,080 and I’ll give you some reasons why." 575 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,360 Rather, 576 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:36,000 he took seventeen long minutes to lead 577 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,320 the audience to this conclusion 578 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:38,920 themselves. 579 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,000 Note in the above that he asks a 580 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:43,720 rhetorical question, 581 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,520 to which the only answer can be “we 582 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,280 participate in a politics of hope." 583 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,360 Notice the rhythm and repetition in the 584 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,480 way he lays out the artificial 585 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:54,840 differences between different types of 586 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:55,320 Americans, 587 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,640 then leads to his conclusion - “we 588 00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:59,480 are one people." 589 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:04,280 Obama (and indeed anyone delivering a 590 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,960 persuasive speech of this kind) 591 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,280 succeeds not because he effectively 592 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,720 shows people what he thinks, 593 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,400 but because he constructs a compelling 594 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,040 frame in which to communicate that 595 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:14,640 message. 596 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,600 His listeners, 597 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:16,760 then, 598 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,000 go a step further from understanding 599 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,440 and are stirred up enough to be 600 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,120 inspired by him and agree with what he 601 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:22,720 says. 602 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,680 When the frame of a conversation 603 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:26,200 changes, 604 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,920 everything changes. 605 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,000 Everything takes on a different meaning. 606 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Therefore, 607 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,640 it’s simply not something we can 608 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,640 leave to chance. 609 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,440 Obama, 610 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:36,960 of course, 611 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,480 would have had this speech carefully 612 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:40,480 written by experts, 613 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,800 and he may well have rehearsed it for 614 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:43,400 hours. 615 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Obama was known as a powerful and 616 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,320 persuasive speaker, 617 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,560 and it’s in big part due to his 618 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,680 understanding of how to frame himself 619 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,240 and his message. 620 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,360 George Lakoff is an author and 621 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:59,760 professor of cognitive science and 622 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:00,360 linguistics. 623 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:02,880 In his book Don’t Think of an 624 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,600 Elephant!, 625 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,560 he explains how talking to people’s 626 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,480 frames is a powerful way of having them 627 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,320 really hear you, 628 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,400 saying that we mistakenly think that, 629 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,760 “if we just tell people the facts, 630 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,760 since people are basically rational 631 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:17,120 beings, 632 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:18,480 they’ll all reach the right 633 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,200 conclusions. 634 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,920 But we know from cognitive science that 635 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,600 people do not think like that. 636 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,440 People think in frames ...to be 637 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:26,920 accepted, 638 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,800 the truth must fit people’s frames. 639 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,560 If the facts do not fit a frame, 640 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,560 the frame stays and the facts bounce 641 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:35,080 off. 642 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,480 Why? 643 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,400 Neuroscience tells us that each of the 644 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,960 concepts we have—the long-term 645 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,840 concepts that structure how we 646 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,040 think—is instituted in the synapses 647 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:47,560 of our brains. 648 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,040 Concepts are not things that can be 649 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,720 changed just by someone telling us a 650 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,120 fact. 651 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:54,640 We may be presented with facts, 652 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,480 but for us to make sense of them, 653 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,720 they have to fit what is already in the 654 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,240 synapses of the brain. 655 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,440 Otherwise, 656 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,440 facts go in and then they go right back 657 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:04,760 out. 658 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:05,680 They are not heard, 659 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,800 or they are not accepted as facts, 660 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,400 or they mystify us - “Why would 661 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,360 anyone have said that?" 662 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,880 Then we label the fact as irrational, 663 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,720 crazy, 664 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:15,520 or stupid." 665 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,240 So, 666 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,040 a frame is the way we work with 667 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,400 pre-existing concepts to ensure that 668 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,040 the message we’re sharing has the 669 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,520 highest chance of being received. 670 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,000 Interestingly, 671 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,560 it’s also why Lakoff recommends 672 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,640 resisting the frame of someone you’re 673 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,160 pushing against by refusing to use 674 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:33,880 their language. 675 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,040 This is because it is language that 676 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,040 builds the frame—and if someone is 677 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,520 not working in your interests, 678 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,360 then the frame they choose will not be 679 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:43,040 the frame you want. 680 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,960 In Obama’s case, 681 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,920 framing is used to persuade. 682 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,880 But frames can have other uses and are 683 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,240 especially helpful in navigating 684 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:51,720 difficult, 685 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,000 uncomfortable, 686 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,280 or emotionally charged conflicts. 687 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,920 Maybe the other person just refuses to 688 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,080 listen or believe you. 689 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,400 Maybe you both keep saying the same 690 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,360 things over and over, 691 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,080 and it’s escalating. 692 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,040 What’s the solution? 693 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,040 According to Lakoff, 694 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,640 you both need to find a way to get into 695 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,600 the same frame. 696 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,800 As a good communicator, 697 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,880 it’s your job to find out what story 698 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,640 you could tell that will resonate with 699 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:20,000 the other person. 700 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,920 Remember—it’s not about facts. 701 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,880 It’s about all the many different 702 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,000 ways to look at those facts, 703 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,240 and what that means for two people who 704 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,560 find themselves in a conversation about 705 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:29,800 them. 706 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,640 Here are a few things to keep in mind - 707 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,880 1. 708 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,680 Make sure that, 709 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,760 as far as possible, 710 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,320 you begin every conversation with a 711 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,840 good idea of where you want it to go. 712 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,480 Be proactive. 713 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,840 2. 714 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,880 What is your frame? 715 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,160 Your source of truth? 716 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,160 The framework you’re embedded in? 717 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,320 Really own this—it will help you find 718 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,880 the metaphors and stories that will 719 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,720 help you express your position. 720 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,960 3. 721 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,880 Get the other person to see into this 722 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,120 frame of yours by asking them questions. 723 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,000 You want them to agree. 724 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Be careful and avoid using their story 725 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:10,920 or their words. 726 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,080 4. 727 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,480 Deliberately engineer the structure of 728 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,240 your story so that it leads toward the 729 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,600 kind of solutions you want. 730 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,600 It’s about focus. 731 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,920 Reading the above, 732 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,280 you may think that setting a 733 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,360 conversational frame may be a little 734 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:29,080 manipulative. 735 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,880 Isn’t thinking in this way precisely 736 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:32,960 the thing that leads to stubborn 737 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,640 standoffs in conversations? 738 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,440 Well, 739 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,520 yes and no. 740 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,680 The truth is, 741 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,120 we are all using frames all the time. 742 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:41,800 It’s just a question of whether 743 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,800 we’re consciously aware of it, 744 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,480 how those frames work, 745 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,760 to what end, 746 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,360 and in service of whom and what. 747 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,360 Being a good communicator means 748 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,040 understanding all this and proactively 749 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,000 taking charge. 750 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,800 This is more often than not a win-win 751 00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,360 scenario. 752 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,560 Let’s look at an example. 753 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,760 Imagine a potential client is 754 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,160 interested but has concerns about the 755 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,000 price you’re charging. 756 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,360 What you don’t want to do in this 757 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,040 case is bombard them with facts (you 758 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,080 might call them “reasons”) 759 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,280 to change their mind. 760 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,560 It won’t work. 761 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,760 What you need to do is consider the 762 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,000 best frame for the case you want to 763 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,280 make. 764 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,040 And to do that, 765 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,160 you need to understand the frame 766 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:23,680 they’re already in, 767 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,160 the nature of their objections and 768 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,520 fears, 769 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,320 and what exactly it is you’re asking 770 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:29,840 them to do. 771 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,400 This might allow you to realize that 772 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,640 the person is hesitant because they are 773 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,160 unsure of the real value of what 774 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:36,880 you’re offering. 775 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,000 They are very, 776 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,480 very tired of being aggressively 777 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,360 marketed to and just want something 778 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:44,880 that works. 779 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,160 So you say that they’re right—it is 780 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:48,680 expensive. 781 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,360 There are people who don’t buy 782 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:52,960 because it’s not in their budget, 783 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:53,720 and that’s okay. 784 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,160 But you do have many satisfied clients 785 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:57,360 who, 786 00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:58,760 having taken the leap, 787 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,200 are now really glad they did—and 788 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,520 you’d be happy to put them in touch. 789 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,120 Otherwise, 790 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,080 you totally respect their decision 791 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:05,480 either way, 792 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,440 and they know where to find you if they 793 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,280 change their mind. 794 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,960 Can you feel the frame? 795 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Can you see how this response actually 796 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,680 pulls the potential client into that 797 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,240 frame with you? 798 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,480 There is nothing in it for the person 799 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,560 to push against—and a lot to agree 800 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:21,920 with. 801 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,320 As Dwight D. Eisenhower said, 802 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,960 “Motivation is the art of getting 803 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,240 people to do what you want them to do 804 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,640 because they want to do it.” In this 805 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,120 example, 806 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:36,640 you are using a frame that gives you 807 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,600 the best chance of actually reaching 808 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,560 this prospective client and getting 809 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,200 them to behave in the way you want them 810 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:43,760 to behave. 811 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,920 In the same way, 812 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,200 a frame can change anything. 813 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,560 It can turn a restriction and a limit 814 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,720 into “safety” and “comfort." 815 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,280 It can position a loss as a gain or a 816 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,120 gain as a loss. 817 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,400 It can appoint an adversary as a 818 00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:59,640 teacher, 819 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,280 and a friend as a saboteur. 820 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,320 The luxury fashion brand Hermes sells a 821 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:07,760 handbag, 822 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:08,840 the “Birkin." 823 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,520 But not just anyone can buy the 824 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:11,800 handbag; 825 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,480 there are only a limited number 826 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:13,760 available, 827 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,920 and you have to be invited to spend the 828 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,040 roughly fifty thousand dollars to have 829 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:19,240 one. 830 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,560 The company will only sell to those 831 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,600 they consider worthy, 832 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,680 and in fact don’t even fully 833 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,560 advertise their selection criteria, 834 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,320 and do not display the bag in ordinary 835 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:30,960 stores. 836 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,560 Their tactics around this item are kept 837 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,000 under a deliberate veil of mystery. 838 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,280 Hermes has completely inverted the 839 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,880 conventional buyer-seller frame and 840 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,120 created their own .- In this frame, 841 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,240 instead of the company marketing 842 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,240 themselves so they are selected by the 843 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:49,640 consumer, 844 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,000 the consumer fights to be considered a 845 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,280 potential buyer and feels privileged to 846 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,680 cough up the fifty thousand dollars. 847 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,800 Every person you ever communicate with 848 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,000 will have a lifetime of experiences 849 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:04,480 behind them, 850 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,360 and these have taught them in gradual 851 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,760 increments to adopt certain beliefs and 852 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,280 worldviews (hopefully not too many as 853 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,240 bizarre as Hermes’). 854 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520 Many of these views will be unconscious. 855 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,880 But that doesn’t stop them from being 856 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,360 strongly influenced by these beliefs, 857 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,240 which seep through and infiltrate 858 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,640 everything they do and say, 859 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,320 as well as everything they’re able to 860 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,840 hear or agree with. 861 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,000 Think again about Obama’s speech. 862 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,760 There would have been many different 863 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,840 people in the crowd that night, 864 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,840 and a lot of them will have possessed 865 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,560 viewpoints and frames that didn’t 866 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,680 match the one Obama was presenting. 867 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,280 For example, 868 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,120 many Democrats who are politically 869 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,400 involved enough to attend conventions 870 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,920 and rallies do tend to think that there 871 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,640 is such a thing as a “liberal America 872 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,840 and a conservative America, 873 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,240 a Black America and white 874 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,880 America”—after all, 875 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,200 they were there to show support for the 876 00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:59,680 democrats, 877 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,480 not the conservatives, 878 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,280 and specifically for Obama himself 879 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,720 precisely because he was a Black 880 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,120 American, 881 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,280 not because his race didn’t matter. 882 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,400 This is the power of framing—it can 883 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,360 so thoroughly change context, 884 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:15,600 shift meanings, 885 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,720 and create new understandings that it 886 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,720 allows you to not only have a 887 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,120 conversation but steer a conversation. 888 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,480 This steering is so powerful that it 889 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,960 can actually remake meaning entirely 890 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,800 and cause people to completely change 891 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,080 not just their opinions but the way 892 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,840 they arrive at those opinions. 893 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,480 Obama could have framed himself as a 894 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,800 victim or as an angry avenger. 895 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,440 He could have highlighted the frame of 896 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:43,800 justice, 897 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,320 or the frame of prosperity. 898 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,080 He could, 899 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:46,800 in essence, 900 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,600 have chosen any frame in the world. 901 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,080 When someone uses their power to frame 902 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,640 and influence in a good way, 903 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,640 we call them leaders and are happy to 904 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,680 be inspired by them. 905 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,760 When their frames dominate and diminish 906 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:00,960 us, 907 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,360 we call them bullies and tyrants. 908 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,080 Importantly—it’s the same skill! 909 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,440 Reality is fixed ...but the meaning of 910 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,360 reality is dynamic and subject to 911 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:12,960 change. 912 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,120 It is not absolute but contextual, 913 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,280 not passively received but actively 914 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:20,920 constructed. 915 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,960 This is where communication takes 916 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,200 place, 917 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,480 and where you have your greatest chance 918 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,360 for making connections, 919 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,480 being heard, 920 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,360 and influencing others. 921 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:35,560 Chunking .- Adjusting The Zoom Button. 922 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,240 Take a look at this conversation - A 923 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:40,760 .- Oh, 924 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,000 wow, 925 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,240 so you’re a music teacher! 926 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,720 How long have you been doing that? 927 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,600 B .- Oh, 928 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,640 about ten years now, 929 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,040 at least. 930 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,120 A .- Cool. 931 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,640 And that whole time you taught the 932 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,280 French horn? 933 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:50,840 B .- Well, 934 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,280 no. 935 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,840 That’s my main instrument, 936 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,480 but I do oboe as well. 937 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,480 A .- Huh. 938 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,720 I’ve heard that the French horn is 939 00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,280 really difficult. 940 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,000 B .- Yeah, 941 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,720 it can be. 942 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,920 A lot of my students end up quitting, 943 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,760 sorry to say! 944 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,920 A .- Oh, 945 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,160 yeah? 946 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,440 How long do they stay before they 947 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:07,960 usually quit? 948 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,120 B .- How long? 949 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,120 Uh ...I’m not sure. 950 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,360 Everyone’s different, 951 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:12,720 I guess. 952 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,080 I’d say the ones who leave do so 953 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,840 pretty quickly. 954 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,440 But that could be for all sorts of 955 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,040 reasons. 956 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,960 It’s complicated, 957 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,640 I think. 958 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,200 But you know early on whether you love 959 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,640 the instrument or not. 960 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,400 A .- Oh, 961 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,000 totally. 962 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,880 So maybe, 963 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,120 like, 964 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,000 they’d quit after the first lesson? 965 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,320 B .- Uh ...no, 966 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,120 not always. 967 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,560 Sometimes a month? 968 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,320 I don’t know. 969 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,280 A .- Do they ever tell you before they 970 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,920 go or do they just disappear? 971 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,160 And on and on. 972 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,160 What’s your feeling about this 973 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:43,840 conversation? 974 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,840 Reading it again, 975 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,640 can you spot the point at which is 976 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,800 starts to kind of grind along? 977 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,040 You can almost feel the moment where B 978 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,320 starts to get bored. 979 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,640 Why? 980 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,960 Before we consider the answer, 981 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,520 let’s look at another example - A .- 982 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:01,600 Oh, 983 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,120 wow, 984 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,440 so you’re a music teacher! 985 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,120 How long have you been doing that? 986 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,200 B .- Oh, 987 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,560 about ten years now, 988 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,040 at least. 989 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,200 A .- Cool. 990 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,520 That’s a long time. 991 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,400 Do you think you’ll always teach? 992 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,240 B .- Well, 993 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,200 I do sometimes wonder. 994 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,440 It’s rewarding, 995 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,000 but ...people’s attitudes to learning 996 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,360 have changed so much over the years, 997 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:20,920 you know? 998 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,160 A .- I can imagine. 999 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,040 People seem to just have less and less 1000 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,080 patience these days. 1001 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,640 What do you think’s causing it? 1002 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,760 B .- Well, 1003 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,480 who knows. 1004 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,600 Take your pick, 1005 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:31,960 right? 1006 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,440 I mean, 1007 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,840 I have some very good students, 1008 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:34,920 so I can’t complain. 1009 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,040 A .- Oh, 1010 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,320 I’m sure. 1011 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,240 Do you think that overall your 1012 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,200 students’ motivations are changing 1013 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:40,840 over time? 1014 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,440 B .- Hm, 1015 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:42,720 could be. 1016 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,560 It’s hard to say. 1017 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,400 A .- Do you think that you’ve had to 1018 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,560 adapt the way you teach them to 1019 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,120 accommodate for how different students 1020 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,680 are today compared with ten years ago? 1021 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,280 I often feel like we focus too much on 1022 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,320 technique in this country, 1023 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,520 and so little on the art side. 1024 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,880 Do you find that? 1025 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,600 Now consider what you think of this 1026 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,320 conversation. 1027 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,600 It’s completely different, 1028 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,920 but somehow something is still not 1029 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,000 quite working. 1030 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,160 The big problem with both conversations 1031 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,840 (other than A asking a barrage of 1032 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,440 questions and B being somewhat 1033 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,240 unresponsive) 1034 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,040 is a question of chunking. 1035 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,600 In neuro-linguistic programming, 1036 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000 the word "chunking" is used to describe 1037 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,880 the way in which we can group pieces of 1038 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,440 information. 1039 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,480 We can chunk “up” or “down -” . 1040 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,280 Chunking up means to ask questions or 1041 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,200 make comments in such a way as to 1042 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,200 combine information and make it more 1043 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,880 abstract and more general. 1044 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,480 It’s the process of looking for 1045 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,800 things that are coming, 1046 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,440 or “zooming out” to see the 1047 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,360 overarching theme, 1048 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,040 pattern, 1049 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,480 or structure that simplifies all the 1050 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,040 smaller details you’re looking at. 1051 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,480 So someone gives you a long list of all 1052 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,120 the pets they’ve had throughout their 1053 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:57,360 life, 1054 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,840 and you chunk up by saying, 1055 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,200 “So you’re a real animal lover, 1056 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,680 huh?" 1057 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,880 Chunking down goes the other way. 1058 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,240 It’s when we ask questions or make 1059 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,360 comments that move the conversation 1060 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,240 from the general and abstract to the 1061 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,400 more specific. 1062 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,880 Someone says they love animals, 1063 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,080 and you ask them, 1064 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,720 “Do you have a pet?" 1065 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,600 In doing so, 1066 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,120 you’re asking for a more specific 1067 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,960 instance of the general claim they’ve 1068 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,360 just made, 1069 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,240 i.e., 1070 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,480 zooming in. 1071 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,400 Basically, 1072 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,640 chunking is a way to turn the dial on 1073 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,560 the level of detail occurring in a 1074 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,200 conversation. 1075 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,960 Let’s return to our examples above. 1076 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,760 In the first example, 1077 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker A asks questions that lead to 1078 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,520 them zooming in on the idea of students 1079 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,360 quitting and exactly when they quit and 1080 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:48,760 why. 1081 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,000 It’s as though each question drills 1082 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,800 deeper and deeper into this one chosen 1083 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,160 thread—perhaps to the boredom of 1084 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker B! 1085 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,120 The second conversation has a different 1086 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,640 problem. 1087 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,400 Here, 1088 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker A keeps asking questions that 1089 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,400 open up the conversation to a more 1090 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,120 abstract level. 1091 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,520 But in time, 1092 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,240 these questions just seem to go nowhere. 1093 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,600 They are soon talking about students in 1094 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:12,760 general, 1095 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,280 and then all people and their total 1096 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,000 lack of patience, 1097 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600 and then the entire system of music 1098 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,080 education in the whole 1099 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,560 country—there’s a load of sweeping 1100 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,640 generalization and broad abstraction. 1101 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,840 Again Speaker B is not quite enjoying 1102 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,720 this flight into the abstract! 1103 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,960 Chunking up questions/phrases/themes 1104 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:34,840 can look like - 1105 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,400 •What does that mean? 1106 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,400 •Let's look at the big picture ... 1107 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,760 •How does that connect to ...? 1108 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,960 •Why did all of that happen? 1109 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,400 •What pattern is emerging? 1110 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,400 Chunking down, 1111 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,040 on the other hand, 1112 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,200 could sound like - 1113 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,560 •What happened next? 1114 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,280 •Can you provide a specific detail? 1115 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,200 (For example, 1116 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,560 what was his name? 1117 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,200 How much did it cost?) 1118 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,880 •Tell me more about ... 1119 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,080 •When did this happen, 1120 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,200 and in what order? 1121 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,280 Which is better to use—chunking up or 1122 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:06,640 down? 1123 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,160 The answer is neither, 1124 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,400 because a good conversation contains a 1125 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,120 dynamic balance of both of them. 1126 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,400 We can zoom in and out to various 1127 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,560 levels of detail and abstraction 1128 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,600 according to our needs. 1129 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,360 (We’ll explore this more in a later 1130 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,160 chapter when we look at “funnel 1131 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:24,840 questions.”) 1132 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,800 Start at a broad, 1133 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,680 general level and work your way down. 1134 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,120 This may correspond with more 1135 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:33,880 open-ended questions, 1136 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,200 but it doesn’t necessarily have to - 1137 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,960 1. 1138 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,800 Start with chunking up to define the 1139 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,400 “territory” of your conversation, 1140 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,560 state the parameters of the problem, 1141 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,680 or gently introduce a new conversation 1142 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:49,080 or topic. 1143 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,960 2. 1144 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,000 Gradually chunk down, 1145 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,120 but do not ask more than three chunking 1146 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,320 down questions in a row. 1147 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,120 Find out things like specific goals, 1148 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,280 motivations, 1149 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,120 problems, 1150 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,560 interpretations, 1151 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,600 examples, 1152 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,280 etc. 1153 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,280 3. 1154 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,800 Then zoom out again with another 1155 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,960 chunking up question. 1156 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,960 Again, 1157 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,680 try not to ask more than three of these 1158 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,080 in a row. 1159 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,120 The point of zooming in and out is to 1160 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,960 avoid either extreme .- Get too 1161 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,680 abstract and lofty and you risk 1162 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,440 creating a stiff, 1163 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,640 impersonal, 1164 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,400 and vague conversation about nothing 1165 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,240 and everything. 1166 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:30,440 On the other hand, 1167 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,000 linger too long on chunking down 1168 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,160 questions and you can get lost, 1169 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,760 stuck, 1170 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,640 or distracted by irrelevant details. 1171 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,440 A good metaphor is to imagine that you 1172 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,320 and your conversation partner are 1173 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,800 mutually navigating your way up a 1174 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,800 winding mountain path, 1175 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,120 using a map. 1176 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,480 Sometimes, 1177 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,960 you’ll both want to lean in and 1178 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,680 engage with the finer details of 1179 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,760 exactly where you are—the rocks and 1180 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,600 trees and so on. 1181 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,120 You’ll focus on this turn or that 1182 00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:59,400 turn, 1183 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,600 and the one foot in front of the other. 1184 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,480 But every once in a while, 1185 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,960 you have to consult the map and get a 1186 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,440 bigger picture of what you’re doing. 1187 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,920 You need to look up and take in the 1188 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,480 horizon, 1189 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,120 or glance behind you to see how far 1190 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,680 you’ve advanced up the mountain and 1191 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,680 how much longer you have to go. 1192 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,080 You might even take a break and 1193 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,320 consider the whole reason for climbing 1194 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,280 the mountain in the first place! 1195 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,440 In any case, 1196 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,680 good mountaineers have both 1197 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,640 skills—they pay attention to the 1198 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,800 gravel beneath their boots, 1199 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,960 but also look up and around them and 1200 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,880 engage in the broader task. 1201 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,440 The ideal conversation, 1202 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:35,960 then, 1203 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,360 would be a comfortable mix of the first 1204 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,680 and second of our examples above. 1205 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,440 For instance, 1206 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,800 instead of continuing to dwell on the 1207 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,800 students who quit, 1208 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,280 and exactly when they quit and why, 1209 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker A could take a metaphorical 1210 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,560 step back, 1211 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,560 allow the conversation to breathe a 1212 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:52,600 little, 1213 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,840 and take the opportunity to chunk up. 1214 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,320 Similarly, 1215 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,760 three or four chunking up questions 1216 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,600 into the second conversation is a good 1217 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,600 time to stop talking abstractly and 1218 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,320 probe for some specifics. 1219 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,480 Conversational Extremist .- The 1220 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,520 Nitpicker. 1221 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,400 In our examples, 1222 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,440 chunking up or down is something we can 1223 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,840 locate in a single question or comment. 1224 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,240 But it can often be more subtle than 1225 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:23,480 this. 1226 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,680 “Nitpickers” are people who have a 1227 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,520 longstanding tendency to have 1228 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,640 conversations constantly take place on 1229 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,720 a concrete, 1230 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:31,640 literal, 1231 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,280 and detailed level. 1232 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,680 The result can be a conversational 1233 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,560 style that is felt by others to be very 1234 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:37,840 dull, 1235 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,000 dragging, 1236 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,360 and uninspired. 1237 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,560 It’s like the conversation gets 1238 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,680 “stuck in the weeds” and never 1239 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,320 really launches. 1240 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,920 This is the person who, 1241 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,520 when you tell them you’ve met the 1242 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,000 love of your life, 1243 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,360 will be curious about what time in the 1244 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,960 morning you met them and what their 1245 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,680 name is and whether you spell that name 1246 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,720 with one L or two. 1247 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,040 We tend to become conversational 1248 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,480 nitpickers ourselves for a few reasons. 1249 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,840 We may be anxious and trying to control 1250 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,120 the course of the conversation but 1251 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,720 inadvertently keep it muzzled to 1252 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,480 endless mundane details. 1253 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,840 We may be bored ourselves. 1254 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,280 The way out is simple .- If you find 1255 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,920 that you or your listener is getting 1256 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,800 bored or distracted, 1257 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,240 sit back (sometimes literally!) 1258 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:26,920 and ask an open-ended, 1259 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,200 completely abstract question. 1260 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,960 Say something about an intangible 1261 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,560 concept. 1262 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,360 Introduce a metaphor, 1263 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,360 or even a controversial and nuanced 1264 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,000 opinion. 1265 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,000 This should kick the conversation back 1266 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,440 into gear. 1267 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,360 Conversational Extremist .- The 1268 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,280 Philosopher. 1269 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,800 The other extreme is the person who 1270 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,040 never, 1271 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,880 ever comes down from some towering 1272 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,440 abstract conversational heights and 1273 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,640 seems to always be looking down at 1274 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,880 humans and all the petty details of 1275 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,720 their lives ...a bit like a philosopher. 1276 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,040 These are the people who will 1277 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,960 constantly try to make isolate 1278 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,280 observations or single anecdotes mean 1279 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480 something about a grander political, 1280 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,280 social, 1281 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,160 or philosophical narrative. 1282 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,960 You might want to rant a little about 1283 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,520 someone who was late, 1284 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,800 and they respond with a 1285 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,800 deep-and-meaningful deconstruction of 1286 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,440 the entire notion of lateness, 1287 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,800 of all mankind’s tendencies to rebel 1288 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,720 against artificial segmentation of this 1289 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:32,800 imaginary construct called time, 1290 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,680 and to finish off, 1291 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,840 some complex psychoanalysis of the late 1292 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,680 person—not just this person in 1293 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:39,960 question, 1294 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,520 but all people who are late. 1295 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,000 The conversational philosopher is 1296 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,200 someone who is always looking for 1297 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:45,640 theories, 1298 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,400 patterns, 1299 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,080 and overarching themes, 1300 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,280 but this can come across as pompous, 1301 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,240 cold, 1302 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,520 and irrelevant. 1303 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,880 The solution, 1304 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,160 here, 1305 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,720 is also obvious .- Come back to earth 1306 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,680 with a question about this person’s 1307 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,200 specific life in the here and now. 1308 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,960 This should immediately anchor and 1309 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,720 ground the conversation, 1310 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,200 with a side effect of making you seem 1311 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:10,800 more human, 1312 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,360 more approachable, 1313 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,800 and more relaxed. 1314 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,160 Chunking up or down, 1315 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:16,440 then, 1316 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,080 is not just a cognitive exercise about 1317 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,480 how information is managed. 1318 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,320 It’s also about the degree of 1319 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,640 openness or closedness in a 1320 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,160 conversation, 1321 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,840 the overall sense of flow, 1322 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,840 and the extent that either levity or 1323 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,960 seriousness is allowed to dominate. 1324 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,520 Use chunking up questions when you want 1325 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:36,920 to summarize, 1326 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,480 contextualize, 1327 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,720 consolidate, 1328 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,760 or get some distance—theoretical or 1329 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,520 emotional. 1330 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,120 This is a focus on an overarching 1331 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:47,800 organization, 1332 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,840 on purpose and intention. 1333 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,760 Use chunking down questions when you 1334 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,440 want to expand on some point, 1335 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,480 zoom in, 1336 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,160 confirm, 1337 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,560 or get to grips with the more 1338 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,840 “real” aspects of the conversation. 1339 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,960 This is a focus on how the overarching 1340 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,280 themes express themselves in specific 1341 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:06,440 ways, 1342 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,000 on unique experience, 1343 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,600 and on the details - who, 1344 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,720 where, 1345 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:11,480 when, 1346 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:11,920 how, 1347 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,480 what, 1348 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,080 and why. 1349 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,800 Finally, 1350 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,680 pay attention to chunking in conflict 1351 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:18,360 situations. 1352 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,640 You may discover that at least part of 1353 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:21,960 the problem is that two people are 1354 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,760 talking with different chunking 1355 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,360 tendencies. 1356 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,960 For example, 1357 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,320 your boss may call you in with the 1358 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,440 intention of discussing an issue. 1359 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,800 Your boss keeps listing out all 1360 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,640 instances of this issue and expanding 1361 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,720 on the details of each. 1362 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,760 You get impatient because you are eager 1363 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,120 to understand what all of it 1364 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,040 means—what is the single insight or 1365 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,000 conclusion you are meant to come to? 1366 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,560 Your boss sees you wanting to boil 1367 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,000 everything down and find some common 1368 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,280 cause for each transgression, 1369 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,560 but assumes this means you are not 1370 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,240 accepting the fact that there are many 1371 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:55,840 offenses, 1372 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,560 not just one. 1373 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,800 You see your boss endlessly listing 1374 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,200 grievances but without synthesizing 1375 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,760 them into anything you can act on. 1376 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,760 And round and round you both talk, 1377 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,320 both unable to reach one another 1378 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,000 because you’re operating at 1379 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,960 completely different levels of detail. 1380 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,760 When communication has devolved to this 1381 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,360 extent, 1382 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,400 the way back to a shared frame of 1383 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,840 reference is to ask questions or make 1384 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,360 comments that gradually close the gap. 1385 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,880 “What is that an example of?" 1386 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,080 “Is there something that connects all 1387 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,120 these observations?" 1388 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,320 “What one thing do you want me to 1389 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,680 take from this conversation?" 1390 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,080 On the other hand, 1391 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,400 if you’re having a conflict with 1392 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,320 someone who is being overly vague and 1393 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:40,880 abstract, 1394 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,480 try to help them zoom in by asking 1395 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,520 things like - “Can you give me a 1396 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,200 specific example of what you’re 1397 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,160 talking about?" 1398 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,520 “When did this event happen? 1399 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,760 With whom? 1400 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,960 How?" 1401 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,520 “Can you pinpoint the exact moment it 1402 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,720 all went wrong?" 1403 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,000 Think Before You Speak. 1404 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,160 “I just call it like I see it." 1405 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,120 “I’m being honest." 1406 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,400 “That’s not what I meant to say." 1407 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,560 “I’m just being me." 1408 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,960 “I don’t do small talk." 1409 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,960 Have you ever said any of the above? 1410 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,760 One major impediment to health, 1411 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,720 effective communication is a set of 1412 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,040 subtle but very damaging beliefs about 1413 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,360 what is actually required of us as 1414 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,800 humans when we speak to others. 1415 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,280 Some of these beliefs come from the 1416 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,120 idea that as long as we are authentic, 1417 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,240 sincere, 1418 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:36,640 and share our emotions, 1419 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,760 that’s enough; 1420 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,120 in other words, 1421 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,840 our intentions matter, 1422 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,120 and how we articulate ourselves is less 1423 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:44,720 important. 1424 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,320 Nothing could be further from the truth! 1425 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,600 Good communicators know that you cannot 1426 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,040 just, 1427 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:51,720 well, 1428 00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,200 blurt out whatever enters your mind. 1429 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,280 You need to be deliberate. 1430 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,880 You need to consciously filter what you 1431 00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,040 say. 1432 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,280 You need to speak with purpose and 1433 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,840 discipline. 1434 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,560 If you’ve ever said something you 1435 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,640 later regretted or really “put your 1436 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,840 foot in it,” then this is a sign that 1437 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,680 you could use more deliberation in the 1438 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:10,520 way you communicate! 1439 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,160 The first thing is to subtly challenge 1440 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,360 the idea that communication is solely 1441 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,760 about expressing yourself, 1442 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,040 your position, 1443 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,200 or your emotions. 1444 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,840 It is not really relevant whether you 1445 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,080 have a strong feeling about something, 1446 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,840 whether you feel like you’re right 1447 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,880 (or even if you are right!), 1448 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,560 or whether you are overcome by this or 1449 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,160 that impulse in the moment. 1450 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,680 Since communication is a social 1451 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,120 activity, 1452 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,320 it involves others, 1453 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,280 and that automatically means that a 1454 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,760 portion of all communication is simply 1455 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:41,760 not about you. 1456 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,680 People who understand and work with 1457 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,680 this insight are ultimately better at 1458 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,480 communication than those who keep on 1459 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,000 stubbornly insisting “it’s not my 1460 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,640 fault that they misunderstood me!" 1461 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,520 Being a conscious and careful 1462 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,360 communicator means you avoid causing 1463 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,440 offense or misunderstanding, 1464 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,280 you boost your credibility and maturity 1465 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,360 in other peoples’ eyes, 1466 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,520 and you generally keep yourself out of 1467 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:05,800 trouble! 1468 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaking without thinking, 1469 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,360 however, 1470 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,920 often occurs because we’re impatient, 1471 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,320 we’re conversational narcissists 1472 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,120 (more on this later in the book), 1473 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,880 we are not good at listening, 1474 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,800 or simply we’re excited and get 1475 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,680 carried away with sharing what we want 1476 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:20,960 to share. 1477 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,880 Not everything you think and feel needs 1478 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,480 to be shared. 1479 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,920 Not everything that pops into your head 1480 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,320 needs to be expressed. 1481 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,560 To decide what qualifies an idea to be 1482 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:33,840 shared, 1483 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,560 ask yourself the following questions - 1484 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,360 1. Do I have good motives? 1485 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,280 Is what you’re going to say helpful 1486 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,640 or useful to yourself or anyone else? 1487 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,240 Be honest about what your motives are. 1488 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,760 Many people butt in during 1489 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,640 conversations to share some tidbit of 1490 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,160 information that is completely 1491 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:52,600 irrelevant, 1492 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,320 simply because it satisfies their own 1493 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,240 ego to say something and impress others. 1494 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:02,720 Be real and assess whether what 1495 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,680 you’re saying moves things forward 1496 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,440 and contributes to the shared goal of 1497 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,440 the conversation (i.e., 1498 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,720 not some hidden agenda of your own). 1499 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,800 Some people will say something along 1500 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,400 the lines of “if you can’t say 1501 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,040 something nice, 1502 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,400 don’t say anything at all." 1503 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,320 But sometimes, 1504 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,600 you will have to express something 1505 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,600 that’s not “nice,” especially if 1506 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,720 you are defending a boundary or 1507 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,120 addressing conflict. 1508 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:25,360 Still, 1509 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,440 your motives should be to share any 1510 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,280 grievance or disagreement with the 1511 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,080 intention of clarifying and resolving 1512 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:33,480 it, 1513 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,840 rather than to blame and shame. 1514 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,000 This is why motive matters. 1515 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,040 You may be able to fool the other 1516 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,480 person that you are saying something 1517 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,880 out of concern or genuine 1518 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,520 misunderstanding, 1519 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,640 but at least be honest with yourself 1520 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,920 and check whether you’re speaking for 1521 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,520 some other, 1522 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,320 less noble reason. 1523 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,120 2. Is it true? 1524 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,400 Opinions, 1525 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,600 perspectives, 1526 00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,680 and desires are one thing. 1527 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,000 But ask if, 1528 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:01,840 beyond this, 1529 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,760 you are actually saying something you 1530 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,920 know to be a falsehood. 1531 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,400 This may seem an obvious point to 1532 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:07,920 labor, 1533 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,480 but often we insert little falsehoods 1534 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,880 into what we say without being 1535 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,600 conscious of it. 1536 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,760 We exaggerate, 1537 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,480 we minimize, 1538 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,680 we omit important information, 1539 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,800 or we present our best guess as more 1540 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,080 certain than it really is. 1541 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,560 Again, 1542 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,080 it ties into motive. 1543 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,520 Are we genuinely and honestly sharing 1544 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,920 what we know, 1545 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,560 or are we trying to come across as an 1546 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:29,960 expert? 1547 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,040 In the realm of our own perceptions and 1548 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:33,640 experiences, 1549 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,160 of course, 1550 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,680 nothing is really “true” or 1551 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:36,960 “false”—it is our unique 1552 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:37,920 experience. 1553 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,760 But be careful that you never act as 1554 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,720 though something being true for you 1555 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,280 automatically makes it true for another 1556 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:44,720 person. 1557 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:45,040 Here, 1558 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,080 being truthful means owning and 1559 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,320 acknowledging your own perspective, 1560 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,120 while not overstepping and behaving as 1561 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,400 though that perspective were truth. 1562 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,200 3. Am I breaking confidences? 1563 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,680 It goes without saying - never share 1564 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,120 something you’ve been asked to keep 1565 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:06,520 private. 1566 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,320 Gossip is awful and degrades the 1567 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:10,600 speaker, 1568 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:11,480 the listener, 1569 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,080 and the person being talked about in 1570 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:14,600 equal measure, 1571 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,360 but you can still break confidences 1572 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,680 even without technically being in 1573 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,960 gossip territory. 1574 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,280 Ask yourself this question .- If the 1575 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,440 person you’re talking about was 1576 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:25,680 present, 1577 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,080 would they be okay with hearing what 1578 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,200 you’re saying about them? 1579 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,680 4. Is it considerate? 1580 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,160 No, 1581 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,680 you don’t always have to be kind. 1582 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,040 Some situations in life call for 1583 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,760 communication even when we don’t like 1584 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,800 or approve of the person in front of 1585 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,280 us, 1586 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,320 or where “kindness” isn’t really 1587 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:44,840 appropriate. 1588 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,040 But you do have to be civil, 1589 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,640 polite, 1590 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,880 and considerate. 1591 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,880 You do have to show the other person a 1592 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,600 degree of non-negotiable respect. 1593 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,440 Sometimes, 1594 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,200 what you want to say may be true, 1595 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,720 it may be necessary, 1596 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:00,680 and you may be well within your rights 1597 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,280 to say it—but that still doesn’t 1598 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,840 entitle you to be rude about it. 1599 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,160 In this case, 1600 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,840 remember that etiquette and manners are 1601 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,200 not something you do merely for the 1602 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,160 other person’s sake, 1603 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,520 but something you do to communicate a 1604 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,080 degree of respect for yourself. 1605 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,880 An option is to use the THINK 1606 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,360 acronym—which stands for True, 1607 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:22,920 Helpful, 1608 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,280 Inspiring, 1609 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,040 Necessary, 1610 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,320 or Kind. 1611 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,200 As we’ve seen, 1612 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,120 you don’t need to have all of these, 1613 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,200 but if what you want to say ticks only 1614 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,000 one or two boxes, 1615 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,640 you’re probably better off keeping 1616 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,720 silent or rewording your message. 1617 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,760 All of this can only be achieved when 1618 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,400 you do something essential - stop and 1619 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,160 think. 1620 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,800 Get into the habit of pausing before 1621 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,080 you talk, 1622 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,560 or even just mentally pausing. 1623 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,920 Even a few seconds of forethought can 1624 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,800 be enough (deep down, 1625 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,680 we usually know whether something is a 1626 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,640 good idea or not even without going 1627 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,800 through the above questions—we just 1628 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:01,920 need to slow down enough to realize 1629 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,240 that we know!). 1630 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:05,240 If you’re not really sure, 1631 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:07,640 then err on the side of staying silent. 1632 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,720 It’s always possible to speak up 1633 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:09,920 later; 1634 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,160 it’s never possible to un-say 1635 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,640 what’s already been said. 1636 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:18,400 Understanding “Clean Communication” 1637 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:18,400 . 1638 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,760 Imagine that a woman says to her 1639 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:23,040 husband, 1640 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,680 “Can you please take out the trash?" 1641 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,160 Now imagine that she instead says, 1642 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,480 “Can you please take out the trash 1643 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,120 for a change?" 1644 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,440 You can probably see which one is 1645 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,680 “clean” communication, 1646 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,440 and which one is a little dirty. 1647 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,200 Saying “for a change” adds a 1648 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,400 hostile blaming element that is not 1649 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,440 part of the main message, 1650 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,720 but forms a secondary piece of 1651 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:48,400 communication. 1652 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,720 This charge may be added in consciously 1653 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:53,720 or unconsciously. 1654 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:55,360 On the other hand, 1655 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:55,840 clean, 1656 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,760 smooth communication conveys a message 1657 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,040 without adding in any kind of 1658 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,280 “negative charge." 1659 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,880 Any time your communication is serving 1660 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,960 a double role of delivering extra 1661 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:07,480 shame, 1662 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:07,960 anger, 1663 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,040 ridicule, 1664 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,520 guilt-tripping, 1665 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:11,600 manipulation, 1666 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:12,080 lies, 1667 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:12,640 and so on, 1668 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,440 it’s no longer clean. 1669 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,720 Imagine the husband hears the second 1670 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,560 phrase from above and responds, 1671 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,680 “Take it out yourself." 1672 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,040 The wife may then (rightly) 1673 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,720 see this as an attack and respond, 1674 00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:27,480 “Why are you so mean to me? 1675 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,040 All I did was ask you nicely to take 1676 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,000 the trash out!" 1677 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,720 As you can imagine, 1678 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:33,480 a fight ensues, 1679 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,360 in part because the wife’s initial 1680 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,200 communication was unconsciously unclean. 1681 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,120 That didn’t stop her husband from 1682 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,760 responding to what she was really 1683 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,480 communicating! 1684 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,200 Whether consciously unclean (arguably a 1685 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,400 bit easier to deal with) 1686 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,280 or unconsciously unclean, 1687 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,640 this type of communication is a kind of 1688 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,280 anti-communication. 1689 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,400 It creates misunderstandings, 1690 00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,600 hurt feelings, 1691 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:00,960 and barriers. 1692 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,960 Have you ever had a conversation with 1693 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,640 someone who on the surface seemed to be 1694 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,760 saying and doing all the right things, 1695 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,560 but you still somehow felt bad 1696 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,200 afterward? 1697 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,600 Maybe you had a weird physical 1698 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,440 sensation in your gut, 1699 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,560 or you felt like something was amiss. 1700 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,680 It might have felt like you were being 1701 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:19,840 lied to, 1702 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:20,760 manipulated, 1703 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,960 or subtly insulted ...chances are, 1704 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,800 you were the recipient of some unclean 1705 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,640 communication. 1706 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,760 Let’s take a look at another example. 1707 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,560 The wife says to the husband, 1708 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,120 “Can you please take the trash out?" 1709 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,800 The husband hears this and, 1710 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,600 in his mind, 1711 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,200 interprets it to mean something like, 1712 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,000 “You’re a lazy good-for-nothing and 1713 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,520 I have to talk to you like a child!" 1714 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,520 He responds in the same way, 1715 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,440 “Take it out yourself!" 1716 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,880 As you can see, 1717 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,800 the misunderstanding is now on the part 1718 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,200 of the listener/receiver. 1719 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:53,600 Here, 1720 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,680 the husband is overly sensitive, 1721 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,560 and has allowed his own issues to 1722 00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,760 distort the message he’s receiving. 1723 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,120 Again, 1724 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,760 the communication is unclean. 1725 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,200 Whether snags happen on side A or side 1726 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:07,640 B, 1727 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,720 and whether they are done consciously 1728 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:10,400 or unconsciously, 1729 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,000 they can degrade communication. 1730 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,320 Even worse, 1731 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,160 little snares and hiccups can compound 1732 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:17,440 over time, 1733 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,040 creating animus and a feeling of 1734 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,880 negativity that is hard to shift once 1735 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,520 it’s underway. 1736 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,480 This “toxic residue” can lead to 1737 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,720 more intense conflict in time or even a 1738 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:30,280 big blow out, 1739 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,240 so it’s best to keep on top of 1740 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:33,840 communication as it happens, 1741 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,960 practicing, 1742 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,360 if you will, 1743 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,480 a kind of routine “communication 1744 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,080 hygiene." 1745 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,840 This cleans up little misunderstandings 1746 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,880 and conflicts before they become big 1747 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:43,120 ones. 1748 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,200 You’ll know that there is some 1749 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,880 residue in your communication with 1750 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,720 someone when one or both of you feels - 1751 00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:50,920 A little wary, 1752 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:51,480 nervous, 1753 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,120 or uncomfortable. 1754 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,880 Any combativeness and defensiveness. 1755 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:56,560 Lies, 1756 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,880 deception, 1757 00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,440 or lowered trust. 1758 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,600 General upset or high emotional 1759 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:03,240 intensity. 1760 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:03,600 Now, 1761 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,120 the “dirt” in communication can be 1762 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:07,880 accidental, 1763 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,520 or it can be deliberate. 1764 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,040 If it’s accidental, 1765 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,720 the idea is to stop, 1766 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,320 take a step back, 1767 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,160 and address it. 1768 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,080 Many innocent mistakes turn 1769 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,720 not-so-innocent if not addressed in 1770 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:21,200 this way. 1771 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:21,680 “Hey, 1772 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,920 I just wanted to talk to you about 1773 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:26,360 something. 1774 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,600 You asked me earlier to take the trash 1775 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,080 out, 1776 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,560 and it felt like you were kind of 1777 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,400 implying that I don’t pull my weight 1778 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,120 or something. 1779 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,720 I don’t know if I’ve got that 1780 00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:36,040 wrong; 1781 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,400 is that what you were trying to say?" 1782 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,600 Importantly, 1783 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:41,920 in addressing something, 1784 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,360 you need to work hard not to introduce 1785 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,560 more unclean language! 1786 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:45,880 If, 1787 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,840 however, 1788 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,840 the unclean communication is intended, 1789 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,600 then the approach is to go in to 1790 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,280 conflict resolution. 1791 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:53,680 “Well, 1792 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,760 actually, 1793 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:56,960 if we’re going to be honest about it, 1794 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,240 I have been feeling like I’m doing 1795 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:00,720 too much of the housework lately." 1796 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:00,840 The thing is, 1797 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,480 communication can be clean even during 1798 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,840 conflict. 1799 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,480 So long as messages are being shared 1800 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,360 without introducing extra negativity, 1801 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,400 then the conversation is clean and 1802 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,120 likely to be productive. 1803 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,720 First make a promise to yourself that 1804 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,480 you will use clean language as often as 1805 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,160 you can. 1806 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,320 Make a commitment that you will be 1807 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:25,280 straightforward, 1808 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:25,720 honest, 1809 00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:27,320 and respectful, 1810 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,160 and will never resort to 1811 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,040 underhandedness, 1812 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,600 passive aggression, 1813 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,040 or innuendo. 1814 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,840 This takes a degree of conscious 1815 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,880 maturity as well as discipline. 1816 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,200 According to clean communication 1817 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,520 experts Matthew McKay, 1818 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,840 Patrick Fanning, 1819 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,120 and Kim Paleg, 1820 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,040 the ideal communication attitude is 1821 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,640 "taking responsibility for the effect 1822 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:51,760 of what you say." 1823 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,160 It also means owning the consequences 1824 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:55,800 of your speech, 1825 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:56,800 even, 1826 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,880 and maybe especially if, 1827 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,120 you’re not quite conscious of what 1828 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:01,600 you’re doing. 1829 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,080 Do your best to create a conversational 1830 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,720 space where you can work honestly and 1831 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,480 respectfully through any conflicts or 1832 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,080 disagreements. 1833 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,160 Leave out harmful speech, 1834 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,760 accusations, 1835 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,120 “barbed” language, 1836 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,840 and insinuations that might hurt and 1837 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,280 attack another person—and do it no 1838 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,400 matter how upset or wronged you feel. 1839 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,320 Follow the “ten commandments of clean 1840 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,680 language” to keep you on the straight 1841 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,840 and narrow and spare yourself and 1842 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,000 others a load of unnecessary drama - 1843 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,240 1. Don’t use judgment words and 1844 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:39,760 loaded terms (“pigsty” or 1845 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:40,440 “lazy”). 1846 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,840 2. Don’t use “global” labels, 1847 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:44,200 i.e., 1848 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,160 make sweeping generalizations or use 1849 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,760 absolute statements (“you haven’t 1850 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,480 taken out the trash in two weeks” 1851 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,240 rather than “you’re an untidy 1852 00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:58,080 person,” which takes a swipe at the 1853 00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,080 person’s entire being, 1854 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,560 not just their behavior). 1855 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,280 3. Don’t send “you” messages of 1856 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,440 blame and accusation (“I’m 1857 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,560 stressed” is better than “you’re 1858 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,800 stressing me”). 1859 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,440 4. Stay away from old history—stick 1860 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,640 to the issue at hand and let bygones go. 1861 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,800 5. Avoid negative comparisons 1862 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,720 (“You’re a slob just like my ex 1863 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,160 was”). 1864 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,760 6. Never threaten, 1865 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,840 even subtly (“If you can’t be 1866 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,600 bothered to do the trash, 1867 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,600 it makes me wonder why I bother to do 1868 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:40,360 any of my chores”). 1869 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,440 Control and manipulation only create 1870 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,960 escalating defensiveness. 1871 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,840 7. Describe your feelings rather than 1872 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,480 use them as a weapon or a “point” 1873 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:54,640 you’ve scored (“You’ve really 1874 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,680 gone and riled me up this morning! 1875 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,760 Why do you always insist on hurting me 1876 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:00,240 like this?”). 1877 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,280 8. Keep your body language open, 1878 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,040 relaxed, 1879 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,240 and receptive. 1880 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,400 Call off a difficult conversation until 1881 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:09,960 you’re calmer, 1882 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:10,720 if necessary. 1883 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,400 9. Use whole messages. 1884 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,800 Incomplete messages are more likely to 1885 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:19,880 be taken out of context. 1886 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,800 A whole message contains observations, 1887 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:23,480 thoughts, 1888 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,280 feelings, 1889 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,320 and needs/wants. 1890 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,520 For example, 1891 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,680 “I see the trash is piling up 1892 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:31,960 (observation), 1893 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,120 and I realize you haven’t taken it 1894 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,440 out for a long time (thoughts). 1895 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,720 When I see that I have to do it, 1896 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:39,920 even though it’s your chore, 1897 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,120 I feel overwhelmed and annoyed. 1898 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,400 I’d really like for you to keep up 1899 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,960 your end of the housework as we agreed 1900 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,320 (wants/needs)." 1901 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:50,680 10. 1902 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,160 Be clear. 1903 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,960 If you have a question, 1904 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:55,440 ask. 1905 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,480 If you want something, 1906 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,600 request it. 1907 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,040 Avoid using passive language, 1908 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,120 innuendo, 1909 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,600 or hints (“Is there some special 1910 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,240 reason you’ve decided to let us all 1911 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:08,840 live in filth, 1912 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:09,640 or ...?”). 1913 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,040 Be direct and clear. 1914 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:12,680 Summary - 1915 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,160 •Poor communication arises as a 1916 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,040 result of a mismatch of perspectives, 1917 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:19,840 approach, 1918 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,480 or conversational skill. 1919 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,600 People process information differently, 1920 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,560 but to avoid misunderstandings, 1921 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,240 communicate consciously and use the 1922 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,000 “ladder of inference." 1923 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,360 It shows the unique way that people use 1924 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,360 their experiences to make meaning - 1925 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,880 observations > selected data > meanings 1926 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,880 > assumptions > conclusions > beliefs > 1927 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,280 actions. 1928 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,600 •Conflict can occur when people are 1929 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,480 on different rungs. 1930 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,080 To improve communication, 1931 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,760 see where people are and how their 1932 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,160 ladder of inference is working for 1933 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:54,640 them, 1934 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,040 then speak to that, 1935 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,280 in sequence, 1936 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,440 and without blame or shame. 1937 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,920 •Good communicators deliberately 1938 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,280 create their own frames during 1939 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,040 conversations and position their line 1940 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,400 of thinking by using specially chosen 1941 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:10,840 words, 1942 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:11,520 expressions, 1943 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:12,400 and images. 1944 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,560 Change frames and you change meaning. 1945 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,520 •Deliberately engineer your 1946 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,800 conversational frame and invite the 1947 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,200 other person in using pre-existing 1948 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,840 concepts they’re familiar with to 1949 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,760 improve the chances they’ll be 1950 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:27,600 receptive. 1951 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,560 Remember that reality is fixed, 1952 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,320 but the meaning of reality is dynamic 1953 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:33,920 and subject to change. 1954 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,680 •Chunking is about the way we group 1955 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:38,200 information. 1956 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,520 Chunking up is grouping specific 1957 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,720 instances into a larger overall 1958 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,920 abstract pattern or theory, 1959 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,720 while chunking down makes inferences 1960 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,560 from the general to the specific. 1961 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,240 Keeping the level of detail varied and 1962 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,880 appropriate creates a better flowing 1963 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,440 conversation than one that relies too 1964 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,480 heavily on chunking up or chunking down. 1965 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,200 •It is a mistake to think that 1966 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,000 authenticity, 1967 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:03,440 expression, 1968 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,040 and sincerity are enough—how we 1969 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,400 articulate ourselves matters. 1970 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,560 Consciously filter what you say .- Is 1971 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:12,960 it true, 1972 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:13,560 kind, 1973 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:14,680 and helpful? 1974 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,120 •Take responsibility for what you say 1975 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,440 and practice clean 1976 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,560 communication—i.e., 1977 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,800 without hidden negative meanings. 1978 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,600 This has been 1979 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,920 How to Speak Effectively: 1980 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:31,640 Influence, 1981 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,560 Engage, 1982 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:39,640 & Charm (How to be More Likable and Charismatic Book 29) Written by 1983 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:46,720 Patrick King, narrated by russell newton.