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Kevin Lowe: Imagine this, you're 18 years old, you're standing at 14,000 feet in the middle
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Kevin Lowe: of the Himalayan mountains, it's freezing cold, and you're in command,
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Kevin Lowe: you're the one in charge.
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Kevin Lowe: And the reason you're there, well, because you're staring down the threat of going to war with China.
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Kevin Lowe: Then one day, while doing a routine dynamite blast, it goes off too soon.
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Kevin Lowe: The unexpected happens. The explosion goes off when you weren't ready for it.
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Kevin Lowe: And you're buried beneath a pile of rocks and rubble, but you survive.
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Kevin Lowe: And in that moment, everything changes. Your entire perspective about life,
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Kevin Lowe: about what you're doing, about what your life's purpose is.
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Kevin Lowe: Today's guest is Dr. Abraham George, coming to us all the way from India.
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Kevin Lowe: And what happened to him after that explosion might just be the most powerful
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Kevin Lowe: story of reinvention that you've never heard.
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Kevin Lowe: He went from a soldier in China to economist working on Wall Street here in America and
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Kevin Lowe: He went from entrepreneur to educator, built a wildly successful company to
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Kevin Lowe: then sell it all in pursuit of his life's passion.
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Kevin Lowe: He sold it all, gave it all up in pursuit of something more about giving back
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Kevin Lowe: to those who were less fortunate by helping out the people who needed help the most,
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Kevin Lowe: helping the poorest of the poor, which he knew the way he could do that was through education.
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Kevin Lowe: If you've ever wondered what it means to live a meaningful life,
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Kevin Lowe: well, my friend, stay with today's episode because you are about to see for
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Kevin Lowe: yourself exactly what that looks like in the story of Dr. Abraham George.
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Kevin Lowe: With that, my friend, I welcome you to the 423rd episode of Grit,
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Kevin Lowe: Grace, and Inspiration In case we have never met, well, I'm your host, Kevin Lowe.
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Kevin Lowe: And I must say, it's an absolute joy and honor to have you here with me today.
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Kevin Lowe: So my friend, I hope you'll stay tuned.
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Kevin Lowe: Listen to my interview with Dr. George. I'm telling you, this guy is absolutely incredible.
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Kevin Lowe: You are not going to regret this decision. So my friend, I hope you enjoyed
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Kevin Lowe: today's episode. and I'll see you right after this quick
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Kevin Lowe: What is happening my friend and welcome back to Grit, Grace and Inspiration.
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Kevin Lowe: Today, I have the pleasure of being in the studio with a guy from,
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Kevin Lowe: let's basically say, the other side of the world. It's Dr. Abraham George.
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Kevin Lowe: Abraham, it is a pleasure. Welcome to the podcast.
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Dr. Abraham George: Thank you, Kevin. Thank you for inviting me. I look forward to this.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, well, Abraham, I'm excited to get to explore your story.
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Kevin Lowe: Everything that you've been doing. You have so many different chapters of this
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Kevin Lowe: life's journey that you've been on.
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Kevin Lowe: And honestly, where I would love to begin, though, is something that I'm just
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Kevin Lowe: very interested in, honestly, is growing up where you did in India.
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Kevin Lowe: And so would you mind taking us back in time to childhood and just giving us
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Kevin Lowe: an idea of what was life like for you growing up as a kid?
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Dr. Abraham George: This is interesting. I was born in a coastal town, the southernmost tip of India.
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Dr. Abraham George: It's called Trivandrum.
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Dr. Abraham George: Close by are the three oceans, the Bay of Bengal, the Arabian Sea and the Indian
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Dr. Abraham George: Ocean. So it was a seaside life I had until I was 14.
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Dr. Abraham George: I was fascinated by the military, seeing troops marching in the parade ground in front of our house.
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Dr. Abraham George: And so I asked my parents to put me through officer's training.
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Dr. Abraham George: I was able to get admission to the Indian Military Academy, National Defense
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Dr. Abraham George: Academy. and that puts you through four and a half years of training before
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Dr. Abraham George: you get your rank as a second lieutenant.
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Dr. Abraham George: So I was 18 years.
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Dr. Abraham George: When I became an officer. And my first posting was to the Himalayas.
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Dr. Abraham George: You know, India had a war with China, and they had crossed over Tibet.
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Dr. Abraham George: Came through a mountainous village called Tawang.
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Dr. Abraham George: It's historic because that's the same way Dalai Lama, the current Dalai Lama
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Dr. Abraham George: came through when the Chinese were trying to get hold of him.
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Dr. Abraham George: And he came through a valley called Sela, which is 14,000 feet above sea level, very high.
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Dr. Abraham George: And he came all the way to a place called Bombdila, which is 8,000 feet.
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Dr. Abraham George: And then the Indian government found him a place. So he and the Tibetans who
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Dr. Abraham George: escaped the Chinese persecution, we are able to set it up in a place called Darmashala.
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Dr. Abraham George: I'm giving you a little bit of history. I don't know whether your audience enjoyed hearing about it.
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Dr. Abraham George: Dalai Lama is still alive and he's searching for someone to follow him.
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Dr. Abraham George: But anyway, my posting was to sail up, 14,000 feet.
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Dr. Abraham George: That is the valley through which the Chinese, if they attack that sector,
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Dr. Abraham George: will have to come through.
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Dr. Abraham George: And at that time, it was the highest battleground anywhere in the world, actually.
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Dr. Abraham George: Oh, wow. Fully snow-covered, a shortage of oxygen and everything else.
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Dr. Abraham George: And my mission with some few hundred soldiers was to establish medium gun,
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Dr. Abraham George: artillery gun positions there so that if they come through the valley,
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Dr. Abraham George: our troops could defend themselves.
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Dr. Abraham George: So I was there for 11 months. That is the beginning of my story.
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Kevin Lowe: Wow. Now, I guess you said that you were only 14 years old when you actually
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Kevin Lowe: joined the military. Is that right?
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Dr. Abraham George: As training for being an officer. Yes.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah. That seems really young.
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Dr. Abraham George: Yeah, I guess, I assume so. But you're 14, you're pretty,
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Dr. Abraham George: Pretty ready to do a lot of things, you know?
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, yeah. Now, what made you so compelled about joining the military?
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Kevin Lowe: Was it something that you have family who were in the military?
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Dr. Abraham George: No, nobody was in the military. I was watching every day from the terrace of
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Dr. Abraham George: our house, the soldiers marching up and down.
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Dr. Abraham George: They have the morning parade. They were so synchronized and well-dressed and
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Dr. Abraham George: all the salutes and everything.
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Dr. Abraham George: Just as a young man, 12 to 14, I was really amazed at the discipline and everything else.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I said, well, if I can become an officer in the Indian Army, that'll be good.
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Kevin Lowe: Yes. Well, I love it. That's amazing.
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Kevin Lowe: So you were deployed, getting back to kind of where you had left off,
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Kevin Lowe: you were deployed to this area, this border between India and China.
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Kevin Lowe: What was that like for you, being deployed over there?
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Kevin Lowe: I mean, were you guys encountering enemy fire soldiers? Was it a lot of downtime?
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Kevin Lowe: What was that entire experience like?
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Dr. Abraham George: Well, for a young man of 18, this was an adventure.
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Dr. Abraham George: Nobody has ever stayed at that altitude for a long time.
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Dr. Abraham George: Actually, in Sela, nobody had even stayed at all.
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Dr. Abraham George: And so being sent with several hundred soldiers to look after and set up gun
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Dr. Abraham George: positions, that was a very serious responsibility.
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Dr. Abraham George: We knew the Chinese were not too far from us, down the valley,
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Dr. Abraham George: within the artillery range.
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Dr. Abraham George: They were on the border, the Tibetan side of the border.
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Dr. Abraham George: They had conquered Tibet also, if you recall history.
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Dr. Abraham George: And so, you know, it doesn't take China much time to get to where we are.
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Dr. Abraham George: So we were very aware of the dangers. If they choose to attack us,
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Dr. Abraham George: we have to be pretty much ready.
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Dr. Abraham George: The only consolation was that the infantry, I was in the artillery with guns, large guns.
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Dr. Abraham George: The infantry was ahead of us. They were close to the border.
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Dr. Abraham George: So they would be fighting if the Chinese were to cross over.
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Kevin Lowe: Interesting. Okay. Okay. Well, during this time,
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Kevin Lowe: just from, I believe, when we spoke before, I believe it was while you were
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Kevin Lowe: deployed that you had told me that there were two different books you read during
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Kevin Lowe: this point that I would say were probably very pivotal for you.
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Kevin Lowe: Would you mind sharing with me what those books were?
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Dr. Abraham George: Well, the one book was by Bertrand Russell, The History of Western Civilization.
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Dr. Abraham George: And that's a very fascinating book.
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Dr. Abraham George: And, you know, it's about more about his philosophy.
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Dr. Abraham George: And in that book, he talks about war and peace.
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Dr. Abraham George: And he blames politicians for getting into war and then telling your people
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Dr. Abraham George: that your country is in the right and the other side is evil and therefore you should kill them.
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Dr. Abraham George: So that's what the politicians do. And then they sort of drive you to fight
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Dr. Abraham George: them. Veteran Russell didn't appreciate that type of thing.
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Dr. Abraham George: He wanted politicians to always negotiate subtle disputes.
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Dr. Abraham George: And anyway, in the book, there is a line which says, there is nothing right about war.
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Dr. Abraham George: It is about who is left. That caught me.
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Dr. Abraham George: Am I one of those who will be left if there is a war?
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Dr. Abraham George: And I questioned the futility of being at war and being a soldier.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I could not.
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Dr. Abraham George: Think of being, you know, in a profession to kill the other side.
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Dr. Abraham George: It's not something that excited me. I know that the military has a job to do. I was a good soldier.
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Dr. Abraham George: I was ready to fight. Everything was there. I led my troops.
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Dr. Abraham George: That's all true. But at the end of the day, I was asking myself,
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Dr. Abraham George: is this something I want to do the rest of my life?
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Dr. Abraham George: And the other book was by Albert Schweitzer. Albert Schweitzer,
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Dr. Abraham George: a German doctor, he decided to go to Equatorial Africa, Central Africa.
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Dr. Abraham George: And he traveled by a canoe through the jungles, rivers in the jungles.
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Dr. Abraham George: And he ended up in a place, today it's called Gabon.
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Dr. Abraham George: Nobody even hears about it. It's a country.
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Dr. Abraham George: And he ended up in the thick of woods.
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Dr. Abraham George: The animals, elephants and everything there. and he set up a clinic,
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Dr. Abraham George: small little clinic, where he told the doctor
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Dr. Abraham George: the locals to come to him if they needed any medical treatment.
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Dr. Abraham George: They had wounds, they had some tropical illnesses, and he had carried with him
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Dr. Abraham George: a lot of medicine, and he was treating them. And they start coming to him.
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Dr. Abraham George: Today, that is a large hospital.
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Dr. Abraham George: You know, it's grown. Anyway, his life also fascinated me.
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Dr. Abraham George: Here is a man goes to a place that he didn't know anything about,
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Dr. Abraham George: lives with animals and nature and everything else and helping poor people,
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Dr. Abraham George: tribals, who knew nothing about medicine.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I found it extremely fascinating way to live.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I wanted to do something like that, maybe not in medicine,
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Dr. Abraham George: because I didn't know anything about medicine.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I thought I'll start a school for children, African tribal children. That was my ambition.
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Dr. Abraham George: So those two books had a profound impact on me when I was in the Himalayas and
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Dr. Abraham George: until the end of my tenure there when I met with an accident.
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Kevin Lowe: Wow. I mean, don't you find it kind of ironic how life works in the sense that
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Kevin Lowe: you've been on this four-year journey,
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Kevin Lowe: basically in the military, to get you to where you are today? You're deployed.
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Kevin Lowe: You're in this area of the Himalayans.
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Kevin Lowe: And then all of a sudden, because of these two books,
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Kevin Lowe: and maybe it even ignited something that maybe was already inside of you,
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Kevin Lowe: you start to question maybe the path that you're on and start to wonder,
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Kevin Lowe: maybe there's something more for me, a greater purpose.
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Kevin Lowe: I just find that very kind of...
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Kevin Lowe: The great irony in that.
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Dr. Abraham George: Yeah. You know, when you are alone, I was the only officer sent up with,
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Dr. Abraham George: I think, three or 400 soldiers. I forgot.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I was engaged in blasting rocks, digging bunkers with blasting and removing
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Dr. Abraham George: the rocks and establishing our residents under the ground and placing the guns.
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Dr. Abraham George: That was a job. And it was going on for all this time. 11 months until I left.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I had a lot of time. I wasn't personally blasting.
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Dr. Abraham George: I trained the soldiers how to do it. You know, there is a fuse fire, there is a detonator.
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Dr. Abraham George: At the end of the detonator, you have gun cordon and other explosives,
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Dr. Abraham George: whichever type you want to use to blast huge mammoth rocks.
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Dr. Abraham George: You know, you can imagine the Himalayan mountain of the rocks.
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Dr. Abraham George: So I was trained to do that. So I trained the soldiers how to do it.
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Dr. Abraham George: And then after a few sessions, I didn't have to do it. They would blast it.
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Dr. Abraham George: They would blow the whistle and everybody would go and hide behind something, rocks or something.
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Dr. Abraham George: And after one minute of the fuse fire burning, it will blast.
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Dr. Abraham George: The dynamite will blast. And then they will come and remove all the rocks.
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Dr. Abraham George: So that goes on all day, you know, the explosion. I used to joke,
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Dr. Abraham George: or at least I joked once to one of the senior soldiers that we were moving the
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Dr. Abraham George: mountain, the Himalayas.
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Dr. Abraham George: And he told me, sir, no, we are not.
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Dr. Abraham George: The Himalayan mountains cannot be moved.
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Dr. Abraham George: You know, he was talking not just physically, he was saying it is too majestic
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Dr. Abraham George: for anyone to think that he can move.
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Dr. Abraham George: My joke was not well appreciated, but anyway.
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Dr. Abraham George: At the end of 11 months, during that time, I would climb another hill close by.
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Dr. Abraham George: Not too far. I can barely see what is going on down below, but I can certainly hear the blasting.
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Dr. Abraham George: That is where I would sit and look down. The clouds were below me.
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Dr. Abraham George: You know, we are at 14,000. The clouds are like 8,000, 6,000, 9,000.
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Dr. Abraham George: It's just moving like a sea, you know, through the valley.
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Dr. Abraham George: And it's so majestic. You realize you are insignificant when you are there.
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Dr. Abraham George: And you're there all day thinking about everything that you can think of.
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Dr. Abraham George: As a young man, you're thinking about all the wonderful things life can offer too.
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Dr. Abraham George: But I was also reading these books.
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Dr. Abraham George: So it was a transformational period for me.
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Kevin Lowe: Yeah, yeah. You know, it's like sometimes in life, we have to get outside of
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Kevin Lowe: our comfort zone to experience something new,
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Kevin Lowe: a new mindset, a new just perspective on life.
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Kevin Lowe: And I can't help but view exactly what you just described as that in this absolutely
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Kevin Lowe: majestic setting of realizing there's got to be more.
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Kevin Lowe: Talk to me what kind of happens next, because obviously I know there was an
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Kevin Lowe: incident that happened that really kind of shifted everything for you?
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Dr. Abraham George: Right, right. By then I had read the book, I was planning about how my future
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Dr. Abraham George: should be, but I didn't know how,
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Dr. Abraham George: I will get out of the military as, you know, officers have to serve for a certain period of time.
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Dr. Abraham George: And then what will I do after that? I'm not trained for anything else.
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Dr. Abraham George: I haven't had, you know, the kind of college education today's young people have.
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Dr. Abraham George: So I was a little doubtful about my own future.
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Dr. Abraham George: Anyway, at that time, you know, the military supplies, all this gun carton and
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Dr. Abraham George: fuse wires and detonators and everything.
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Dr. Abraham George: And the fuse fire is very important because it gives you enough time after lighting
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Dr. Abraham George: to walk away and hide behind something.
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Dr. Abraham George: And the rule is that you have to have 12 inches of fuse wire.
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Dr. Abraham George: That gives you approximately a minute or more of time you could easily get somewhere and hide.
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Dr. Abraham George: So hide or shelter.
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Dr. Abraham George: Found that we are running short of fuse wire. We are doing a lot of blasting
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Dr. Abraham George: and the military wasn't resupplying us.
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Dr. Abraham George: Maybe they were short of it. And so we cut the wire into half,
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Dr. Abraham George: six inches, and run a little faster.
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Dr. Abraham George: And finally, we were almost finished with the fuse wire. So I had cut it down to three inches.
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Dr. Abraham George: And that was a heck of a risk because you have barely 10 seconds or 15 seconds to escape.
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Dr. Abraham George: And that time I made the decision that I cannot ask the soldiers to light it
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Dr. Abraham George: because if they made a mistake, didn't see the lighting, could get blown up
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Dr. Abraham George: and get killed. And I wouldn't be able to live with that.
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Dr. Abraham George: So I said, I thought of myself as a superhero who could do almost anything. I said, I will light it.
00:19:10.452 --> 00:19:16.552
Dr. Abraham George: So I started doing it. And they were trying to stop me from doing it.
00:19:16.652 --> 00:19:21.332
Dr. Abraham George: They didn't want an officer, their leader to do this. But I insisted on it and
00:19:21.332 --> 00:19:24.832
Dr. Abraham George: I started doing it. First couple of days, everything went smoothly.
00:19:25.132 --> 00:19:31.212
Dr. Abraham George: I light it, I lit it. I could see it caught fire and run. I had already pre-planned
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Dr. Abraham George: which rock I will hide behind.
00:19:33.574 --> 00:19:40.014
Dr. Abraham George: And that just went on fine. On the third day, I believe, I didn't see the lighting.
00:19:40.494 --> 00:19:44.514
Dr. Abraham George: Maybe I was careless. I'm not very sure. I don't recall all that.
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Dr. Abraham George: But luckily, suddenly I saw the sizzling or the lighting, light running through
00:19:51.954 --> 00:19:55.574
Dr. Abraham George: the wire, almost reached the gun carton with the detonator.
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Dr. Abraham George: I knew it would last in a moment.
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Dr. Abraham George: I turned around and jumped and it did blast right behind me.
00:20:02.394 --> 00:20:09.034
Dr. Abraham George: And my body was pierced with my piece of rock. My head was also injured.
00:20:09.714 --> 00:20:17.174
Dr. Abraham George: I was covered by dust and rock pieces. And they had to dig me out of there and take me to the hospital.
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Dr. Abraham George: So that was a turning point because
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Dr. Abraham George: there was absolutely no reason why God let me see it at this moment.
00:20:30.334 --> 00:20:37.574
Dr. Abraham George: I asked myself, there must be a reason why I escaped. And I haven't found a reason.
00:20:38.094 --> 00:20:40.954
Dr. Abraham George: Maybe what I'm doing today is the reason.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I made up my mind, lying in the hospital bed, whatever it is,
00:20:46.034 --> 00:20:49.354
Dr. Abraham George: I will take on service to humanity.
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Dr. Abraham George: I will help people who are poor, who are suffering, who have no means of getting
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Dr. Abraham George: out of their terrible situation.
00:21:00.514 --> 00:21:07.034
Dr. Abraham George: So that was a decision I made. By then, I was only 18, 19 years old of age.
00:21:07.234 --> 00:21:13.214
Dr. Abraham George: I had to stick around in the army for another two more years to get the discharge on medical grounds.
00:21:13.574 --> 00:21:18.554
Dr. Abraham George: But the decision was made soon after this incident.
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Kevin Lowe: What do you think at such a young age...
00:21:24.554 --> 00:21:29.934
Kevin Lowe: What do you think instilled in you that purpose, that specific purpose?
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Kevin Lowe: Where did that come from?
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Dr. Abraham George: Well, that came from even younger days. I used to travel with my father.
00:21:37.014 --> 00:21:42.434
Dr. Abraham George: My father had to go to villages and other places as part of his job.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I would see how people are living.
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Dr. Abraham George: And I noticed the caste system prevalent in those days.
00:21:51.854 --> 00:21:55.974
Dr. Abraham George: It was soon after India became independent from the British,
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Dr. Abraham George: and you're probably not aware that for 1,500 years,
00:22:03.994 --> 00:22:10.194
Dr. Abraham George: India had a caste system whereby the different social status for different people,
00:22:10.354 --> 00:22:15.714
Dr. Abraham George: and the so-called Dalits, today they're called Dalits, and those days they were
00:22:15.714 --> 00:22:16.874
Dr. Abraham George: called the untouchables.
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Dr. Abraham George: They couldn't even come anywhere near the upper caste. They couldn't touch anything.
00:22:21.714 --> 00:22:26.114
Dr. Abraham George: They were not human for all practical purposes.
00:22:26.474 --> 00:22:31.054
Dr. Abraham George: They were to clean the latrines and bury the dead animals.
00:22:31.254 --> 00:22:35.814
Dr. Abraham George: And these are the jobs that are given to them. And I noticed all those things
00:22:35.814 --> 00:22:38.734
Dr. Abraham George: and I saw how they were living and what food they were eating.
00:22:38.974 --> 00:22:46.154
Dr. Abraham George: And I felt miserable about it. But then as too young to comprehend what could
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Dr. Abraham George: be done, whether I'll ever have
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Dr. Abraham George: the capacity to do it, I just watched all those things. So it was there.
00:22:52.814 --> 00:22:56.794
Dr. Abraham George: Maybe it was there that I wanted one day to do something for them.
00:22:56.994 --> 00:23:03.194
Dr. Abraham George: Maybe it was there. But that service to people who are deprived and socially
00:23:03.194 --> 00:23:11.234
Dr. Abraham George: treated very poorly, that became my instant goal, the idea of human service.
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Kevin Lowe: Wow. Wow. That's very profound.
00:23:16.114 --> 00:23:22.274
Kevin Lowe: So I don't know where along the timeline it falls, but at some point in between
00:23:22.274 --> 00:23:26.954
Kevin Lowe: being in the hospital from that dynamite explosion accident,
00:23:27.858 --> 00:23:33.578
Kevin Lowe: you would actually end up moving to America. So how did that come about?
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Dr. Abraham George: Well, it took two years to get a discharge from the military. And I was 21 by then.
00:23:39.998 --> 00:23:47.918
Dr. Abraham George: And fortunately for me, my mother, a physicist, got a job in America as a professor
00:23:47.918 --> 00:23:52.558
Dr. Abraham George: and also as a research fellow at NASA.
00:23:52.838 --> 00:23:57.538
Dr. Abraham George: You remember, those were the days, the Kennedy days, when America was sending
00:23:57.538 --> 00:24:02.638
Dr. Abraham George: the rocket to the moon and everybody was excited about what NASA was doing.
00:24:02.858 --> 00:24:06.418
Dr. Abraham George: And my mother was taken in as a physicist.
00:24:06.698 --> 00:24:12.378
Dr. Abraham George: She has a doctorate in physics. So she could support me and she sponsored my visa.
00:24:12.618 --> 00:24:15.838
Dr. Abraham George: And those days, there was not much of difficulty to get a visa.
00:24:16.078 --> 00:24:21.138
Dr. Abraham George: So I was able to come. After I came to America, I lived there with her for a
00:24:21.138 --> 00:24:24.338
Dr. Abraham George: little time in Alabama, of all places where she was.
00:24:25.498 --> 00:24:26.598
Kevin Lowe: Wow. Okay.
00:24:27.408 --> 00:24:31.508
Dr. Abraham George: She was working in Huntsville. That's why Alabama came about,
00:24:31.708 --> 00:24:34.048
Dr. Abraham George: you know, Huntsville, Alabama.
00:24:34.848 --> 00:24:39.388
Dr. Abraham George: So I worked, I was at University of Alabama and Sanford University,
00:24:39.628 --> 00:24:42.348
Dr. Abraham George: the Southern Baptist College, a joint program.
00:24:42.748 --> 00:24:45.648
Dr. Abraham George: And after one year, I went off to New York City.
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Kevin Lowe: Okay, so you have to humor me because I can only imagine that had to be a culture
00:24:54.988 --> 00:25:00.348
Kevin Lowe: shock, environmental shock to go from India to Alabama.
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Dr. Abraham George: I remember it was 1968-69 period, and it was an exciting period.
00:25:10.528 --> 00:25:18.368
Dr. Abraham George: And I had come from a place where I never felt discriminated by anyone.
00:25:19.288 --> 00:25:26.648
Dr. Abraham George: You know, and here I am suddenly finding myself not at equal level with the
00:25:26.648 --> 00:25:30.768
Dr. Abraham George: majority of the people at that time. The whites were in Alabama.
00:25:31.308 --> 00:25:36.228
Dr. Abraham George: But the good part of it is that I was inside the campus.
00:25:36.528 --> 00:25:40.988
Dr. Abraham George: I stayed in the dorm in the campus. And campus life is somewhat different.
00:25:41.168 --> 00:25:43.048
Dr. Abraham George: You know, the students are fairly
00:25:43.048 --> 00:25:47.748
Dr. Abraham George: okay, though they don't want to socially interact, especially the girls.
00:25:48.108 --> 00:25:53.008
Dr. Abraham George: But otherwise, you go on. You know, there's not a serious problem.
00:25:53.568 --> 00:25:58.288
Dr. Abraham George: And so the only thing was that I was in a Southern Baptist college.
00:25:58.928 --> 00:26:03.728
Dr. Abraham George: Is Samford. And University of Alabama is also pretty religious at that time.
00:26:04.543 --> 00:26:13.123
Kevin Lowe: Yeah. Wow. That is truly fascinating. I was not expecting Alabama to enter the picture for your story.
00:26:13.363 --> 00:26:19.583
Kevin Lowe: And I mean, I'm equally just fascinated to hear the story of your mom being
00:26:19.583 --> 00:26:21.863
Kevin Lowe: a physicist and working for NASA.
00:26:21.863 --> 00:26:27.223
Kevin Lowe: I mean, your story has so many components that are incredible,
00:26:27.223 --> 00:26:29.843
Kevin Lowe: but you would eventually,
00:26:30.183 --> 00:26:37.003
Kevin Lowe: though, go on to earn two different master's degrees and your Ph.D.
00:26:37.283 --> 00:26:39.043
Kevin Lowe: That is correct, right?
00:26:39.303 --> 00:26:44.043
Dr. Abraham George: That's right. I went off to New York City for six months.
00:26:44.043 --> 00:26:50.863
Dr. Abraham George: I worked at Standard & Poor's, a highly reputed organization like the Moody's.
00:26:50.863 --> 00:26:54.343
Dr. Abraham George: I wanted to do a good job. This may fascinate you.
00:26:54.543 --> 00:26:57.863
Dr. Abraham George: I want to do a good job. So I would do everything very fast.
00:26:58.043 --> 00:27:02.983
Dr. Abraham George: So many numbers of financial data of companies that come out every day,
00:27:03.103 --> 00:27:07.023
Dr. Abraham George: and I have to record them and enter into the key punch computers.
00:27:07.423 --> 00:27:12.023
Dr. Abraham George: And in my hurry, I would miss a zero here or add another zero.
00:27:12.363 --> 00:27:17.923
Dr. Abraham George: And so 10 million will become 100 million. And so one million, you know.
00:27:19.874 --> 00:27:26.354
Dr. Abraham George: Total disaster, total disaster. Within a few hours, it hits Wall Street, you know.
00:27:27.034 --> 00:27:32.074
Dr. Abraham George: And my boss called and said, this job is not for you.
00:27:34.314 --> 00:27:41.414
Dr. Abraham George: So I, you know, such a hardworking guy wanting to do many reports ends up losing my job.
00:27:41.654 --> 00:27:49.114
Dr. Abraham George: But luckily I had applied for NYU for admission. And I was interviewed and the
00:27:49.114 --> 00:27:54.134
Dr. Abraham George: dean, the vice dean who interviewed me, was fascinated by my background.
00:27:54.434 --> 00:28:01.474
Dr. Abraham George: You know, serving in the Himalayas, living in Alabama during the segregationist time.
00:28:02.094 --> 00:28:06.494
Dr. Abraham George: He couldn't care what my education qualifications were.
00:28:06.674 --> 00:28:11.254
Dr. Abraham George: He didn't care what GMAT score I had. He said, I don't care about all those things.
00:28:11.714 --> 00:28:16.934
Dr. Abraham George: I can see that you are the kind of guy I want for NYU. So I'm going to give
00:28:16.934 --> 00:28:19.174
Dr. Abraham George: you that mission. I said, well, fabulous.
00:28:19.934 --> 00:28:23.314
Dr. Abraham George: I would be the least qualified fellow to get in there.
00:28:25.014 --> 00:28:33.434
Kevin Lowe: That is absolutely hysterical. So talk to me, I guess, about you did get in.
00:28:33.554 --> 00:28:35.814
Kevin Lowe: How did you do in that program?
00:28:36.681 --> 00:28:43.621
Dr. Abraham George: Well, I was determined. That's something maybe the army and other things made me to do well.
00:28:43.901 --> 00:28:49.081
Dr. Abraham George: I knew one thing that America, at least at that time, if you do well,
00:28:49.301 --> 00:28:56.041
Dr. Abraham George: you have a good education and you do well in college, you will land a job and
00:28:56.041 --> 00:29:01.381
Dr. Abraham George: you can succeed in life, regardless of your race or foreign nationality.
00:29:01.581 --> 00:29:06.361
Dr. Abraham George: But you still have a chance, maybe not as good as someone else, but still good enough.
00:29:06.681 --> 00:29:13.401
Dr. Abraham George: So I had that faith that if I do well. So I worked hard. I never took a summer break.
00:29:13.781 --> 00:29:19.881
Dr. Abraham George: I did extra classes in the evenings until I had to start teaching in some of
00:29:19.881 --> 00:29:23.381
Dr. Abraham George: the nearby colleges to earn some living, money for my living.
00:29:23.561 --> 00:29:33.121
Dr. Abraham George: But I was willing to do anything to finish my program in five to six years, two masters and a PhD.
00:29:33.981 --> 00:29:38.781
Dr. Abraham George: So it was a lot of hard work. But at that time, looking back,
00:29:38.981 --> 00:29:40.981
Dr. Abraham George: I never thought of it as hard work.
00:29:41.181 --> 00:29:45.121
Dr. Abraham George: I thought of it as something I had to do, and I did.
00:29:45.421 --> 00:29:50.661
Dr. Abraham George: And I had a lot of good fun with friends. I became the president of the student
00:29:50.661 --> 00:29:52.561
Dr. Abraham George: union for doctoral students.
00:29:52.841 --> 00:29:56.881
Dr. Abraham George: So you can imagine, you know, you had some social life too.
00:29:57.301 --> 00:30:01.861
Dr. Abraham George: So I did all those things until I finished my PhD.
00:30:02.501 --> 00:30:07.161
Dr. Abraham George: And I got a job in Chemical Bank, which is now part of JP Morgan.
00:30:07.982 --> 00:30:11.742
Dr. Abraham George: And I worked there for nearly two and a half years.
00:30:12.102 --> 00:30:15.742
Kevin Lowe: Wow. Now, how many years did you just say that you worked there?
00:30:16.262 --> 00:30:20.982
Dr. Abraham George: Yeah, two and a half years until I left them to start my own company.
00:30:21.362 --> 00:30:23.722
Kevin Lowe: Okay. Now, what kind of company would you start?
00:30:24.102 --> 00:30:31.282
Dr. Abraham George: Well, my field was international finance. And that was the time when President
00:30:31.282 --> 00:30:38.642
Dr. Abraham George: Nixon made a decision to float the dollar. The dollar used to be fixed to gold.
00:30:39.122 --> 00:30:44.482
Dr. Abraham George: The gold, one dollar equal to so much gold. And all the currencies were then
00:30:44.482 --> 00:30:46.202
Dr. Abraham George: in turn were fixed to the dollar.
00:30:46.442 --> 00:30:49.182
Dr. Abraham George: So everything was fixed. And
00:30:49.182 --> 00:30:53.722
Dr. Abraham George: there was so much pressure in the markets for those values to be changed.
00:30:53.902 --> 00:30:59.002
Dr. Abraham George: And President Nixon made a decision to allow the currencies to float somewhat.
00:30:59.002 --> 00:31:03.962
Dr. Abraham George: It's called managed float, where the central bank would intervene if the currency
00:31:03.962 --> 00:31:08.602
Dr. Abraham George: falls too much. So that was a transitional period.
00:31:08.982 --> 00:31:15.662
Dr. Abraham George: And my educational background in international finance and corporate finance,
00:31:15.802 --> 00:31:24.522
Dr. Abraham George: I figured out that this change in the system would have a profound impact on corporations.
00:31:24.522 --> 00:31:30.402
Dr. Abraham George: The value of their assets abroad will be worth less or more every minute when
00:31:30.402 --> 00:31:31.722
Dr. Abraham George: the currency value changes.
00:31:31.922 --> 00:31:35.322
Dr. Abraham George: The dollar value will change. Or if you have to send money abroad,
00:31:35.682 --> 00:31:38.642
Dr. Abraham George: the amount of dollars you need to send would change.
00:31:38.802 --> 00:31:42.462
Dr. Abraham George: All the remittances they make. So there are a lot of financial transactions
00:31:42.462 --> 00:31:44.042
Dr. Abraham George: a company has internationally.
00:31:45.701 --> 00:31:52.641
Dr. Abraham George: And they will all be affected. So I decided that I'll design a system that will
00:31:52.641 --> 00:31:57.401
Dr. Abraham George: measure those impacts and more than that, account for it.
00:31:57.561 --> 00:32:03.701
Dr. Abraham George: And also more than that, I would figure out a way how they can protect themselves
00:32:03.701 --> 00:32:05.841
Dr. Abraham George: from these currency fluctuations.
00:32:06.161 --> 00:32:10.641
Dr. Abraham George: There were instruments like financial futures and later on financial options
00:32:10.641 --> 00:32:15.121
Dr. Abraham George: that you could execute, which will prevent loss. It's lost.
00:32:15.241 --> 00:32:17.441
Dr. Abraham George: Of course, there's a cost for doing all those things.
00:32:17.661 --> 00:32:23.921
Dr. Abraham George: So all those ideas came into my head and I decided to design a system to do that.
00:32:24.101 --> 00:32:30.481
Dr. Abraham George: So my first company was a computerized tool being offered through what at that
00:32:30.481 --> 00:32:32.241
Dr. Abraham George: time was a timeshare system.
00:32:32.421 --> 00:32:38.221
Dr. Abraham George: Timeshare being a central computer owned by General Electric or Honeywell sitting
00:32:38.221 --> 00:32:39.521
Dr. Abraham George: somewhere in Baltimore.
00:32:39.521 --> 00:32:44.681
Dr. Abraham George: And everybody dials into that computer through their dumb terminals,
00:32:44.961 --> 00:32:48.481
Dr. Abraham George: not a PC, dumb terminals using a coupler and a telephone.
00:32:48.721 --> 00:32:55.201
Dr. Abraham George: And they would tap the huge big computer of General Electric and run my program
00:32:55.201 --> 00:32:58.221
Dr. Abraham George: and pay General Electric a fee for doing that.
00:32:58.621 --> 00:33:02.741
Dr. Abraham George: But it was very expensive to do that. So that's where I started.
00:33:02.921 --> 00:33:09.001
Dr. Abraham George: I wrote the program to be lodged in General Electric computers and start selling it.
00:33:09.341 --> 00:33:11.921
Dr. Abraham George: And I realized that I was too naive.
00:33:12.361 --> 00:33:15.701
Dr. Abraham George: Companies were not ready to use computers for doing all these things.
00:33:15.841 --> 00:33:19.221
Dr. Abraham George: They tell me, oh, we can do this in the back of an envelope.
00:33:19.621 --> 00:33:23.121
Dr. Abraham George: Why do I need to spend all this money logging onto a computer?
00:33:23.790 --> 00:33:27.350
Dr. Abraham George: And I tried to show them the value they would have by doing it.
00:33:27.550 --> 00:33:30.890
Dr. Abraham George: And so I picked up a few clients. That's how I got started.
00:33:31.510 --> 00:33:41.410
Kevin Lowe: Wow. You came a long way from misplacing zeros and that financial job to where
00:33:41.410 --> 00:33:43.750
Kevin Lowe: you came in growing this company.
00:33:44.330 --> 00:33:50.110
Kevin Lowe: That's truly fascinating. How long would you end up having that company for?
00:33:50.390 --> 00:33:53.490
Dr. Abraham George: 25 years. It went through different phases.
00:33:53.790 --> 00:33:59.170
Dr. Abraham George: The first phase was this timeshare we were sharing the computer of General Electric.
00:33:59.490 --> 00:34:03.530
Dr. Abraham George: Then came the first Apple, you know, was introduced.
00:34:03.890 --> 00:34:09.550
Dr. Abraham George: And then all other PCs came along. That changed the whole scenario because you
00:34:09.550 --> 00:34:12.230
Dr. Abraham George: don't have to dial into the General Electric computer.
00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:16.150
Dr. Abraham George: You could execute those programs on your own machine.
00:34:16.150 --> 00:34:21.990
Dr. Abraham George: But then the question is connecting to other computers in your own office as
00:34:21.990 --> 00:34:26.870
Dr. Abraham George: well as abroad, you know, for a company like Coca-Cola, which was my client,
00:34:27.330 --> 00:34:28.830
Dr. Abraham George: or General Electric for that matter.
00:34:28.990 --> 00:34:33.970
Dr. Abraham George: They have subsidiaries everywhere. So they had to connect to those environments,
00:34:33.970 --> 00:34:39.470
Dr. Abraham George: again, through telephone lines, cable, telephone, you know, no Wi-Fi and all
00:34:39.470 --> 00:34:40.910
Dr. Abraham George: that. And they were expensive.
00:34:41.150 --> 00:34:46.930
Dr. Abraham George: There's some cost associated with those things. But you could have a local power,
00:34:47.330 --> 00:34:52.870
Dr. Abraham George: computing power, as opposed to a central power owned by General Electric or someone else.
00:34:53.090 --> 00:35:01.250
Dr. Abraham George: So that allowed me to sell applications for each PC, as opposed to one system
00:35:01.250 --> 00:35:03.630
Dr. Abraham George: to be lodged in the central computer.
00:35:03.990 --> 00:35:07.390
Dr. Abraham George: And we started earning more money.
00:35:07.970 --> 00:35:15.590
Dr. Abraham George: That's how the second phase of our company's growth took place with the advent of the PC.
00:35:16.170 --> 00:35:24.510
Kevin Lowe: Okay. Okay. Fascinating. So my question that I keep coming back to as I'm listening to this and I'm
00:35:24.907 --> 00:35:28.687
Kevin Lowe: I don't know, maybe my question is going to lead us into maybe the next kind
00:35:28.687 --> 00:35:29.887
Kevin Lowe: of chapter in your story.
00:35:30.127 --> 00:35:37.907
Kevin Lowe: But I'm listening to you talk about this, and it's fascinating what you created,
00:35:37.907 --> 00:35:39.207
Kevin Lowe: what you did with this business.
00:35:39.207 --> 00:35:48.307
Kevin Lowe: But I'm trying to understand how do we tie back to that revelation you had in
00:35:48.307 --> 00:35:52.247
Kevin Lowe: the hospital about your purpose in life,
00:35:52.487 --> 00:35:55.047
Kevin Lowe: about wanting to help and give back?
00:35:55.267 --> 00:35:58.647
Kevin Lowe: Because this seems like a totally different avenue.
00:35:59.087 --> 00:36:05.127
Dr. Abraham George: That's a very good question. When I came to America and got started,
00:36:05.427 --> 00:36:07.787
Dr. Abraham George: of course, I wanted a good career.
00:36:08.007 --> 00:36:11.847
Dr. Abraham George: I wanted to make money. I wanted to live comfortably. I wanted to have my family.
00:36:11.987 --> 00:36:13.487
Dr. Abraham George: All those goals were there.
00:36:13.727 --> 00:36:20.607
Dr. Abraham George: But underneath all that, I had this desire of doing service.
00:36:20.867 --> 00:36:26.407
Dr. Abraham George: So I said to myself, let me first make money, as much money as I can in a short
00:36:26.407 --> 00:36:31.447
Dr. Abraham George: time. if I can, which didn't happen. It took a long time, 25 years.
00:36:32.067 --> 00:36:37.347
Dr. Abraham George: And when I do, then I can do what I promised myself.
00:36:37.727 --> 00:36:45.787
Dr. Abraham George: So that is the connection. I was doing it for a purpose, the purpose being of
00:36:45.787 --> 00:36:52.667
Dr. Abraham George: going and serving somewhere among the poor people and, you know, impacting their lives.
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Kevin Lowe: Okay. I love it. I love it. So I guess talk to me at that point.
00:36:59.747 --> 00:37:02.527
Kevin Lowe: When do you decide? How do you decide?
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:08.879
Kevin Lowe: To leave what you've created to embark on a new chapter?
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Dr. Abraham George: Once again, a very intuitive question. You know, I thought by 40,
00:37:15.839 --> 00:37:19.699
Dr. Abraham George: I would have earned enough money to do it. And it didn't happen.
00:37:20.179 --> 00:37:26.599
Dr. Abraham George: Actually, the growth of my company took place between my ages, 40 and 50.
00:37:26.919 --> 00:37:31.619
Dr. Abraham George: The company took off and we became a market leader in the field.
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:39.439
Dr. Abraham George: I started from my basement in my house. I ended up having office in New Jersey, Fairfield.
00:37:39.979 --> 00:37:43.519
Dr. Abraham George: Then we had offices later on in California.
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:48.819
Dr. Abraham George: World Trade Center we had on the 32nd floor until the World Trade came down.
00:37:48.999 --> 00:37:53.499
Dr. Abraham George: We had office in London and Brussels. So it grew.
00:37:53.979 --> 00:38:00.339
Dr. Abraham George: And in the U.S., we were the leader. And the cost of our application also went
00:38:00.339 --> 00:38:02.119
Dr. Abraham George: up. So we were making good money.
00:38:02.279 --> 00:38:07.099
Dr. Abraham George: But all this happened in the later part of my company's growth.
00:38:07.499 --> 00:38:12.599
Dr. Abraham George: But I said to myself, this will go on forever. I can't be doing this, making money.
00:38:12.859 --> 00:38:18.579
Dr. Abraham George: And so I promised myself before I have 50, I'll embark on this.
00:38:18.579 --> 00:38:22.799
Dr. Abraham George: So a month before I turned 50,
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:30.139
Dr. Abraham George: I left for India and established a foundation in India to start my work and
00:38:30.139 --> 00:38:36.359
Dr. Abraham George: found a place where I wanted to do the work, a remote village where I am talking to you right now.
00:38:36.359 --> 00:38:41.759
Dr. Abraham George: It's interior part of Tamil Nadu near Bangalore.
00:38:41.999 --> 00:38:48.219
Dr. Abraham George: And I got started just before I turned 50.
00:38:48.479 --> 00:38:54.779
Dr. Abraham George: And then I came back and told my staff that I want to sell the company.
00:38:55.596 --> 00:39:02.576
Dr. Abraham George: And we were fortunate enough to find a buyer in a Fortune 500 company, SunGuard.
00:39:02.916 --> 00:39:08.256
Dr. Abraham George: They bought us. They kept me with the company for two more years.
00:39:08.256 --> 00:39:13.936
Dr. Abraham George: I agreed to do that because when somebody buys a company, they don't want the
00:39:13.936 --> 00:39:15.756
Dr. Abraham George: head of the company to leave right away.
00:39:15.956 --> 00:39:19.476
Dr. Abraham George: Because they're always afraid their employees may leave and so on.
00:39:19.556 --> 00:39:20.636
Dr. Abraham George: They've got a lot of worries.
00:39:20.756 --> 00:39:24.756
Dr. Abraham George: They have invested money into you. So I served for them for two years,
00:39:24.776 --> 00:39:28.356
Dr. Abraham George: again, on the anniversary, second anniversary, I resigned from that.
00:39:28.676 --> 00:39:37.456
Dr. Abraham George: I said, that's enough time. So I devoted myself entirely to what I'm doing today at the age of 52.
00:39:38.356 --> 00:39:44.896
Kevin Lowe: Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Talk to me about where you're living.
00:39:45.156 --> 00:39:48.116
Kevin Lowe: This, I believe you referred to as a remote village.
00:39:48.676 --> 00:39:53.336
Kevin Lowe: How did you decide on this specific place? And how did you and how,
00:39:53.456 --> 00:39:58.936
Kevin Lowe: I guess, did you even decide what to do to pursue that purpose?
00:39:59.116 --> 00:40:03.836
Kevin Lowe: Because there's a lot of things that we can do when we're talking about helping
00:40:03.836 --> 00:40:07.116
Kevin Lowe: the people who are, you know, underprivileged, underserved.
00:40:07.396 --> 00:40:13.256
Kevin Lowe: How did you even come up with the entire concept that you're that you embarked upon?
00:40:13.656 --> 00:40:20.816
Dr. Abraham George: Again, good question. In India, 75% of the people, even today,
00:40:22.062 --> 00:40:29.982
Dr. Abraham George: 30 years ago, when I got started even more, fall into a category of so-called
00:40:29.982 --> 00:40:34.522
Dr. Abraham George: different lower castes, not the lowest, but different lower castes.
00:40:34.642 --> 00:40:37.742
Dr. Abraham George: And most of them are extremely poor or poor.
00:40:38.262 --> 00:40:42.742
Dr. Abraham George: So I was interested in the poorest of the poor.
00:40:43.062 --> 00:40:51.062
Dr. Abraham George: I wanted to educate their children so that they can break out of poverty. That was my idea.
00:40:51.842 --> 00:40:58.382
Dr. Abraham George: And first to answer your first question, how did I end up here in this remote village?
00:40:58.602 --> 00:41:01.222
Dr. Abraham George: That is not again planned.
00:41:01.522 --> 00:41:07.282
Dr. Abraham George: I wanted to start somewhere where these people are living. These poor people are living.
00:41:07.842 --> 00:41:12.682
Dr. Abraham George: There were like five, six hundred million over a hundred thousands of villages
00:41:12.682 --> 00:41:14.982
Dr. Abraham George: all over. So I had to choose someplace.
00:41:15.562 --> 00:41:21.262
Dr. Abraham George: And a broker told me that he has a house in the village. He will take me there and show me.
00:41:21.442 --> 00:41:26.582
Dr. Abraham George: And there is female infanticide killing, you know, girls, babies when they're born.
00:41:26.802 --> 00:41:30.142
Dr. Abraham George: They are extremely poor and everything is an absolute poverty.
00:41:30.402 --> 00:41:36.222
Dr. Abraham George: I'll take you there. I'll show you my village. And he showed me a piece of land,
00:41:36.382 --> 00:41:41.582
Dr. Abraham George: which I loved, by the lake and a little rocky terrain.
00:41:41.602 --> 00:41:44.902
Dr. Abraham George: I didn't like flat land. I wandered up and down.
00:41:45.102 --> 00:41:48.742
Dr. Abraham George: Maybe my mountainous background made me that way.
00:41:48.742 --> 00:41:55.322
Dr. Abraham George: And so I bought this land to get the school started the idea of the school is
00:41:55.322 --> 00:42:00.182
Dr. Abraham George: somewhat different from what everyone was doing at that time that was that.
00:42:00.862 --> 00:42:10.602
Dr. Abraham George: I felt that the way to change the lives of poor people is through their children,
00:42:10.602 --> 00:42:14.362
Dr. Abraham George: not trying to change them in their 30s and 40s.
00:42:14.482 --> 00:42:18.982
Dr. Abraham George: They can never, they can't learn new things and so on. So I have to start from the very beginning.
00:42:19.202 --> 00:42:24.822
Dr. Abraham George: That's the first conclusion I had. The second conclusion I had is that you can't
00:42:24.822 --> 00:42:29.062
Dr. Abraham George: wait for government to, you know, offer justice.
00:42:29.062 --> 00:42:35.642
Dr. Abraham George: You know, they may give some food ration to them, they may give some stipend,
00:42:35.962 --> 00:42:41.122
Dr. Abraham George: they may set some quarter for admission to some jobs or some college.
00:42:42.471 --> 00:42:46.251
Dr. Abraham George: People are still going to be prejudiced. People are going to treat them poorly.
00:42:46.651 --> 00:42:52.771
Dr. Abraham George: They will be looked down. So nothing will change. And 1,500 years this has been
00:42:52.771 --> 00:42:55.111
Dr. Abraham George: going on. And how will I break it?
00:42:55.291 --> 00:43:00.871
Dr. Abraham George: And my conclusion was, maybe that has something to do with the education I had at NYU.
00:43:01.371 --> 00:43:10.571
Dr. Abraham George: My conclusion was that the path to social justice for these people is not from
00:43:10.571 --> 00:43:13.231
Dr. Abraham George: the top, but it has to come from the bottom.
00:43:14.071 --> 00:43:18.471
Dr. Abraham George: These youngest of all, the children, four years of age children,
00:43:18.971 --> 00:43:22.571
Dr. Abraham George: they have to be brought up correctly. They have to be educated correctly.
00:43:22.851 --> 00:43:27.451
Dr. Abraham George: They have to be motivated to succeed. And when they do, they go on to college
00:43:27.451 --> 00:43:29.731
Dr. Abraham George: and so on and they end up with good jobs.
00:43:30.131 --> 00:43:34.071
Dr. Abraham George: They will transform their families. It will take a little while.
00:43:34.291 --> 00:43:37.031
Dr. Abraham George: It is not handing out some free money today.
00:43:37.291 --> 00:43:42.671
Dr. Abraham George: It will take some 18 years. But then once it gets going, each year you are adding
00:43:42.671 --> 00:43:47.231
Dr. Abraham George: to that pool and they carry their own families, their siblings,
00:43:47.871 --> 00:43:51.231
Dr. Abraham George: their neighbors, and this multiplies.
00:43:51.411 --> 00:43:54.591
Dr. Abraham George: So I was looking at the multiplier effect of this.
00:43:54.871 --> 00:44:01.251
Dr. Abraham George: And I said to myself, don't go to the government for help for solving the problem.
00:44:02.051 --> 00:44:04.231
Dr. Abraham George: Solve the problem with the children,
00:44:05.151 --> 00:44:10.291
Dr. Abraham George: take the children and give them the opportunity to do well in life.
00:44:10.291 --> 00:44:19.311
Kevin Lowe: Yeah, what I love about that, and I think it's what just shows who you are as a person,
00:44:19.311 --> 00:44:26.311
Kevin Lowe: who you are as a person with deep thought and insight is,
00:44:26.531 --> 00:44:31.811
Kevin Lowe: you know, a lot of times when we want to do something and we want to help somebody
00:44:31.811 --> 00:44:35.671
Kevin Lowe: and we're called to a purpose, we want to take the action that's going to give
00:44:35.671 --> 00:44:37.091
Kevin Lowe: us the result right away.
00:44:37.091 --> 00:44:42.231
Kevin Lowe: That's going to give us that, you know, that factor that like, oh, yes, we did good.
00:44:42.431 --> 00:44:48.271
Kevin Lowe: We've we've done something. But you saw the bigger picture, the long term plan
00:44:48.271 --> 00:44:55.011
Kevin Lowe: of truly making a lifelong impact by starting with the children.
00:44:55.431 --> 00:45:05.231
Kevin Lowe: And I find that extremely just admirable, noble, and so incredible of you in
00:45:05.231 --> 00:45:06.631
Kevin Lowe: the strategy that you took.
00:45:07.210 --> 00:45:14.750
Dr. Abraham George: You hit the nail on the head. You see, the donors don't have patients for 18 years. Yes.
00:45:16.290 --> 00:45:21.910
Dr. Abraham George: I go to them and say, give me X dollars, and I'll show you the result after 18 years.
00:45:22.370 --> 00:45:26.190
Dr. Abraham George: They'll say, get lost. They want the quarterly reports, you know,
00:45:26.390 --> 00:45:29.990
Dr. Abraham George: how many people were benefited, how many people were fed, how many people,
00:45:30.210 --> 00:45:31.510
Dr. Abraham George: you know, whatever they want.
00:45:31.970 --> 00:45:36.450
Dr. Abraham George: And luckily, because I had money, I didn't go to any of them for the first 15
00:45:36.450 --> 00:45:38.310
Dr. Abraham George: years. I was spending my money.
00:45:38.810 --> 00:45:43.350
Dr. Abraham George: I built everything and spent the money myself until I got into trouble during
00:45:43.350 --> 00:45:49.010
Dr. Abraham George: the 2008-2009 financial crisis, 7, 8, 9.
00:45:49.610 --> 00:45:54.610
Dr. Abraham George: And then my son joined and we started asking for money.
00:45:54.610 --> 00:46:00.510
Dr. Abraham George: And today, instead of one person running it, it's now an institution,
00:46:00.870 --> 00:46:06.870
Dr. Abraham George: an organization that is supported by hundreds and hundreds of donors, small and big.
00:46:07.330 --> 00:46:13.050
Dr. Abraham George: And so we were able to build a second school called Shanti Bhavan in another
00:46:13.050 --> 00:46:14.650
Dr. Abraham George: location and double the size.
00:46:14.790 --> 00:46:18.090
Dr. Abraham George: And I hope it will be a third school very soon.
00:46:18.350 --> 00:46:23.850
Dr. Abraham George: That became possible with the help of other people. Not my money.
00:46:24.110 --> 00:46:27.750
Dr. Abraham George: You know, money is something that runs out unless I'm, you know,
00:46:27.830 --> 00:46:30.170
Dr. Abraham George: someone very rich. And I'm not.
00:46:30.510 --> 00:46:33.650
Dr. Abraham George: I did sell my company and made some good money.
00:46:33.850 --> 00:46:39.970
Dr. Abraham George: But with losses and everything in the financial crisis, you know, it goes off.
00:46:40.190 --> 00:46:43.190
Dr. Abraham George: But luckily, the world saw my work.
00:46:43.450 --> 00:46:48.330
Dr. Abraham George: They saw what has been achieved in those 12 to 15 years of my work.
00:46:48.470 --> 00:46:53.370
Dr. Abraham George: So they were willing to come forward and help me. So today, it's stronger than
00:46:53.370 --> 00:46:57.350
Dr. Abraham George: what it was when I was doing it myself with my money. And so...
00:46:58.406 --> 00:47:04.106
Dr. Abraham George: That is the evolution of my foundation and Shandibawan School.
00:47:04.446 --> 00:47:08.306
Kevin Lowe: Yeah, that's absolutely fascinating. Wow.
00:47:08.646 --> 00:47:11.946
Kevin Lowe: Well, Abraham, the whole reason
00:47:11.946 --> 00:47:17.886
Kevin Lowe: that we even got introduced is that you actually have a book coming out.
00:47:18.246 --> 00:47:24.526
Kevin Lowe: And I would love for you to talk to me about this book, what it's about,
00:47:24.566 --> 00:47:30.266
Kevin Lowe: what compelled you to write this book, So share with me some insights into the
00:47:30.266 --> 00:47:32.686
Kevin Lowe: book, because let us just say,
00:47:32.906 --> 00:47:36.146
Kevin Lowe: you seem like you have enough going on in your life.
00:47:36.426 --> 00:47:42.346
Kevin Lowe: Why add a book to the mix? I don't know, but I guess we're going to find out. So, yeah.
00:47:43.282 --> 00:47:47.502
Dr. Abraham George: Right, right, right. Well, you know, I'm not getting younger, I'm getting older.
00:47:47.802 --> 00:47:54.802
Dr. Abraham George: And I have to leave my story for the next generation of people and anyone else
00:47:54.802 --> 00:47:56.602
Dr. Abraham George: who wants to get into the social arena.
00:47:56.902 --> 00:48:01.622
Dr. Abraham George: I can't just disappear one day without telling my story, how this happened.
00:48:01.622 --> 00:48:06.642
Dr. Abraham George: And a lot of people ask me to tell my story like you did from the childhood,
00:48:06.822 --> 00:48:11.742
Dr. Abraham George: what made you what you are and the events that took place.
00:48:11.862 --> 00:48:15.002
Dr. Abraham George: And I would take them all the way back to my army days to tell that.
00:48:15.422 --> 00:48:24.322
Dr. Abraham George: So anyway, I am today I'm convinced that everyone within the limits of their
00:48:24.322 --> 00:48:30.462
Dr. Abraham George: capacity has a moral obligation to help others who are in need.
00:48:30.462 --> 00:48:34.782
Dr. Abraham George: This is not, it's a reverence for life issue.
00:48:35.002 --> 00:48:40.562
Dr. Abraham George: You can't close the window and shut the door and live happily inside when outside
00:48:40.562 --> 00:48:45.462
Dr. Abraham George: they don't have a full meal to eat. This is not acceptable.
00:48:45.762 --> 00:48:48.522
Dr. Abraham George: It's a human duty and everyone.
00:48:49.282 --> 00:48:54.062
Dr. Abraham George: And it doesn't have to be big. It can be very small, depending on your capacities.
00:48:54.502 --> 00:49:00.242
Dr. Abraham George: But the need to serve others. And if everyone who's got money were to do according
00:49:00.242 --> 00:49:05.162
Dr. Abraham George: to their wealth, there will be no poverty in the world. But we don't have that situation.
00:49:05.642 --> 00:49:15.342
Dr. Abraham George: So and I believe in a very simple proposition that we all have something inside
00:49:15.342 --> 00:49:18.822
Dr. Abraham George: us that is good, just that we don't act on it.
00:49:19.522 --> 00:49:25.942
Dr. Abraham George: And, you know, some people define it as empathy. You have empathy,
00:49:26.142 --> 00:49:29.402
Dr. Abraham George: you see someone suffering, you know, you feel bad for that person.
00:49:29.822 --> 00:49:33.102
Dr. Abraham George: That's not enough. Some say you should have compassion.
00:49:33.820 --> 00:49:38.420
Dr. Abraham George: That is even better that you want to really do something.
00:49:38.780 --> 00:49:42.740
Dr. Abraham George: You want to be involved with that person. That's also fine, but it's not enough.
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:48.240
Dr. Abraham George: And I say you need to do compassionate action.
00:49:48.620 --> 00:49:53.360
Dr. Abraham George: You have to act on your compassion. Feeling is not going to make a difference
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.480
Dr. Abraham George: to the other person unless you're willing to do something.
00:49:56.680 --> 00:50:00.520
Dr. Abraham George: And you have to spend your money, you have to spend your time, you have to reach out.
00:50:00.680 --> 00:50:06.000
Dr. Abraham George: In different ways, you can help another person. So my approach to this is,
00:50:06.160 --> 00:50:12.280
Dr. Abraham George: to the children I am bringing up, I tell them, listen, you must display your
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.300
Dr. Abraham George: compassion in action and help others.
00:50:15.580 --> 00:50:20.880
Dr. Abraham George: And if I can spread that word through my book, it will be, you know,
00:50:21.340 --> 00:50:23.600
Dr. Abraham George: impact a few people. That'll be wonderful.
00:50:23.900 --> 00:50:28.380
Dr. Abraham George: That's all I can achieve, probably. So the book is coming out in January.
00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:33.360
Dr. Abraham George: It's called Mountains to Cross. I meant by that, obstacles to overcome.
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:38.420
Dr. Abraham George: Mountains to cross, finding life's purpose in service.
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:43.760
Dr. Abraham George: That's the subtitle, finding life's purpose in service. And I carry it from
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:49.400
Dr. Abraham George: the very beginning of my life and in some way making up my own self,
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:53.840
Dr. Abraham George: my personality and character and so on, why I did what I did.
00:50:54.080 --> 00:51:00.060
Dr. Abraham George: And also in the book, through the book, they can see how you can serve.
00:51:00.160 --> 00:51:03.700
Dr. Abraham George: All the obstacles you're likely to come across.
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.920
Dr. Abraham George: How do you organize other people and motivate them?
00:51:07.140 --> 00:51:11.120
Dr. Abraham George: All these things, a life experience is what I've recorded there.
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:15.780
Dr. Abraham George: And so I am hoping that a lot of people will buy it.
00:51:15.980 --> 00:51:20.600
Dr. Abraham George: Some of them will want to do something, small or big. It doesn't matter, as I said before.
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:27.800
Dr. Abraham George: And in a small way, even after I've left this world, there will be an impact
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.300
Dr. Abraham George: from what I'm writing down.
00:51:30.931 --> 00:51:34.831
Kevin Lowe: Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So amazing.
00:51:34.851 --> 00:51:36.451
Dr. Abraham George: So powerful.
00:51:36.951 --> 00:51:43.211
Kevin Lowe: You just yourself, your story is truly inspiring.
00:51:43.291 --> 00:51:50.911
Kevin Lowe: I think to anyone and everyone to honestly realize that, you know,
00:51:51.151 --> 00:51:55.831
Kevin Lowe: the future before us is ours for the taking.
00:51:55.831 --> 00:51:59.611
Kevin Lowe: If we're willing to work for it, if we're willing to fight for it,
00:52:00.191 --> 00:52:04.971
Kevin Lowe: that's what when I listen to you and I think of this journey you've taken us
00:52:04.971 --> 00:52:12.551
Kevin Lowe: on all the way to you going full circle back to India, to this remote village,
00:52:12.771 --> 00:52:17.191
Kevin Lowe: to give back, to make a difference in the other people's lives.
00:52:17.191 --> 00:52:24.531
Kevin Lowe: It's truly remarkable and now with this book another way of just giving back
00:52:24.531 --> 00:52:27.311
Kevin Lowe: you're truly an amazing guy
00:52:27.311 --> 00:52:31.231
Dr. Abraham George: Thank you Kevin I want to tell your listeners that
00:52:31.231 --> 00:52:39.391
Dr. Abraham George: they will derive joy and satisfaction from what they do from their service you
00:52:39.391 --> 00:52:47.991
Dr. Abraham George: will see the eyes of the beneficiary you will see from their smiles the thankfulness You know,
00:52:48.211 --> 00:52:54.291
Dr. Abraham George: don't expect anything in return, but it is simply the realization when you wake up,
00:52:54.551 --> 00:52:56.791
Dr. Abraham George: you made another life a little better.
00:52:57.171 --> 00:53:04.551
Dr. Abraham George: And that is your great service during your tenure in this planet.
00:53:05.051 --> 00:53:07.151
Kevin Lowe: Yeah, yeah, I love it.
00:53:07.813 --> 00:53:13.973
Kevin Lowe: Abraham, for somebody who would love to learn more about supporting the causes
00:53:13.973 --> 00:53:17.373
Kevin Lowe: that you are working on with the schools, the organizations,
00:53:17.633 --> 00:53:24.033
Kevin Lowe: and plus the book that is coming out in January, is there any central place
00:53:24.033 --> 00:53:29.873
Kevin Lowe: that we can send them that I can put in the episode show notes that we can direct people to?
00:53:29.873 --> 00:53:33.973
Dr. Abraham George: Sure, sure. Very easy, Kevin. Very easy.
00:53:34.193 --> 00:53:40.093
Dr. Abraham George: My name is the easiest name, Abraham for Abraham Lincoln, George for George
00:53:40.093 --> 00:53:42.173
Dr. Abraham George: Washington. Just remember these two questions.
00:53:43.033 --> 00:53:46.993
Dr. Abraham George: So type Abraham George on Google.
00:53:47.313 --> 00:53:52.513
Dr. Abraham George: You'll run into a few dozen websites. It'll take you to my project.
00:53:52.853 --> 00:53:56.333
Dr. Abraham George: It'll take you to my book. It'll take you wherever you want to go.
00:53:56.473 --> 00:53:58.133
Dr. Abraham George: And one will take you to another.
00:53:58.333 --> 00:54:02.873
Dr. Abraham George: So you will have no problem finding me or work or the book.
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Dr. Abraham George: If I give you websites and so on, you have to note down and all that.
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Dr. Abraham George: Don't. Just remember my name, Abraham George.
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Kevin Lowe: You the man from india are more american than we realized abraham george i absolutely love it
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Dr. Abraham George: Well, I couldn't be more American than Abraham Lincoln, right?
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Kevin Lowe: Oh, my goodness. I absolutely love that.
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Kevin Lowe: Abraham, man, it has been an absolute just pleasure getting to meet you,
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Kevin Lowe: to get to hear your story.
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Kevin Lowe: I want to thank you in the most sincere way possible for taking the time out
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Kevin Lowe: of your day to be here on the podcast.
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Kevin Lowe: So thank you so, so much.
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Dr. Abraham George: Thank you, Kevin. I hope we will occasionally keep in touch after the book is
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Dr. Abraham George: published. And maybe I'll have some reason to talk to you about the book a little more.
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Dr. Abraham George: You know, it's up to your podcast, but I would love to keep in touch with you. Absolutely.
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Kevin Lowe: Well, we will definitely be sure that happens. For you listening today,
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Kevin Lowe: my friend, I hope you are smiling.
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Kevin Lowe: I hope you feel as inspired as I do at this man's incredible story.
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Kevin Lowe: And I think the most incredible part of his story, this idea of giving back.
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Kevin Lowe: We can all do our part to help somebody out who maybe needs a helping hand. It doesn't take a lot.
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Kevin Lowe: A lot of times it just takes you showing the compassion, the love and just simply caring about others.
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Dr. Abraham George: That's what this is all about.
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Kevin Lowe: So my friend, please be sure that you check out today's show notes where you
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Kevin Lowe: will find a link to access the resources for today's guest.
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Kevin Lowe: And most of all, I thank you for being here. Get out there and make this day amazing.