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Squirrel. In this episode, we're going to talk you through why you

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need to have more fun. For fun's sake. For

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sake. Hi, I'm Katie McManus, business strategist and money

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mindset coach. And welcome to the Weenie cast Squirrel.

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Here's the story of something that never actually happened. My friend Laura.

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Laura Bernard, I met in Denver this past year. It was a whole LinkedIn

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networking thing. We quickly became name business besties and we chat fairly

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often. Anyway, towards the end of the year, we decided we wanted to

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do like a whole manifestation live, where we would go through and kind

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of organize all of our goals for 2024. And we do it on a live.

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We make it a lot of fun. And she had this brilliant idea

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that we would do it as bingo cards. So instead of just having list

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of goals that you check off and cross off throughout the year,

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it would be like a year long game of bingo. Bingo.

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And if you're familiar with bingo, you have to have five categories,

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right? Bi N-G-O. We were trying

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to come up with our five categories of what we

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wanted to focus on, and so work, obviously, that's

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a category. Money. Great. Yes. That's another

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category for goals that we want to hit. Health was

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the third category. Working out, eating healthy, being

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our best selves, all that jazz. But then we couldn't figure out any other

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categories. And we spent a good 20 minutes on the phone

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trying to figure out. What we both did for fun,

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because. We don't really do anything for fun. We do business stuff.

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And this is one of the pitfalls. Of having

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ADHD and being so excited and hyper

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focused and obsessed with what it is that you do for work is that your

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work becomes your fun.

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But at a certain point, it kind of stops being the fun thing that

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you do. It stops being the hobby that you do in addition to your corporate

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job. And it becomes your job, it becomes

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how you support yourself. And there's a lot of pressure on that. And so

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I think we settled on. We weren't going to do bingo. We were

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just going to do bing. Because we couldn't come up with that

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fifth category. It wasn't landing. And it's like we didn't want to

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give ourselves goals that we weren't actually excited for. But then, of course,

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I got sick. I had Covid between Christmas and New Year's,

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and we didn't do it. So it didn't actually happen. So you wouldn't have seen

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this live ever. But it triggered this conversation that I've been having with myself

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over the last month around. Am I boring?

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Is this what I want to do with my life?

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All the existence stuff, walking my dog, cooking meals, which

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I do enjoy cooking, working on my business, which I love. It is

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something that brings me so much joy and inspiration, and I'm very

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passionate about it. Doing this podcast, for example. I love doing this

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podcast. And I thought back to when I considered

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myself the most fun. And it was really when

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I worked in corporate, it was when I worked in sales and I was doing

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well in pretty much all the facets of my life. And there's a difference

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between working for a company and working for yourself,

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obviously. And when it comes to fun,

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it's that you can walk away from your work for the weekend, you

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can leave work at work for the most part. You might have a couple

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of thoughts about, I need to get that done on Monday. But you're not

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responsible for everything, right? You get to go and

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have little adventures, do things that you really

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enjoy and really just go and live life in your spare

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time. And that changes when you become a business

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owner. When you're a business owner,

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every moment you're awake and mostly

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conscious, you're thinking about stuff you should be doing in your

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business. And I know I'm not alone when I say

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I fall into the trap of thinking of fun things to do,

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but then making it a work thing because I make the fun thing

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into content. Carving pumpkins, that's

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content. Going to a museum, that's content.

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Cooking something for the first time, that's content trying

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to get my dog to go swimming with me when she really doesn't want to

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go swimming. Content. Although you're never going to see that video anyway.

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So instead of actually having fun, you make the fun things

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into more work, which is not the point of having

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fun. Let's talk about the benefits

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of having fun.

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A. It's fun. It brings you joy.

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Joy is valuable. I think as a society, especially in western

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culture, we don't create space in our

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lives for joy. Right. And I think also we see

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other people having quote unquote fun, and they're doing so in a really

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expensive know, they're having fun on their private

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yacht. They're having fun by spending gazillion

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dollars at, I don't know, a designer place like Chanel. I was

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buying time. I couldn't remember the name of a designer. Anyway, let me see.

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I'm honestly struggling for other things that people do for fun. This is

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how out of touch I am with fun right now. We

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don't value it. We don't value just pure joy.

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We value productivity, we value getting things

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done. We value making money. We also value

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things like having impact about fulfilling our

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passions. But without joy, without creating space for

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joy in our lives, how are you going to feel when you're on your

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deathbed? Wow, we just went dark, didn't we? Okay,

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so as an existential question, like what is life without

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joy? And how do you want to look back on your life? Do you

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want to look back and be like, oh, I crossed off my to do list,

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got everything done? Or do you want to look back and think about all the

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times that you experience pure, unbridled joy

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or a combination of the two? It's up to you. But as business

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owners, there is a consciousness that we

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have to approach joy with. There is an intentionality that

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we didn't have to have when we worked in corporate. Because all of the

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responsibility of this business lays on our shoulders. And

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especially for those of us with ADHD, with our

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minds that go a million miles a minute and constantly

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make connections to things that we have at work, things

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that we have ideas for, creative ideas, blah, blah, blah, that's constantly

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in that swirl. We have to find a way to get ourselves

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out of work mode and into joy mode.

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Now, the perks to your health, experiencing joy on a

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regular basis lowers your stress levels. When you

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have less stress, you live longer. When you're joyful

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around your friends and family, guess what? Those relationships become

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stronger. And even as I'm describing this, my brain is going

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to the perks to your work. When you really set aside time for.

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Joy, when you're in flow, when you're. In flow in something

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that you really enjoy, this project, it's creative, it has different parts of

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your brain working. You're going to get ideas for work.

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You'Re going to get ideas for how you can serve your clients better, you're going

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to get ideas for how you can make some system easier on the

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back end for what you do in. Your day to day. You're not going to

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have those ideas if you don't invest your time into. Things that are

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joyful. And this is not as easy

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as it sounds. I mean,

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granted, I've only been really focusing on this for about a month,

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but in that month I've really struggled to figures

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out what I do for fun, what I find fun.

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This is something that a lot of ADHD people go through cycles

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on, right? Because when we're hyper fixated on a new hobby,

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that's the thing that we do, and it brings us so much joy. But when

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that hyper fixation ends and we have to find a new

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hyper fixation, going back to that old hobby isn't actually as fun as it used

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to be. So we're constantly in this cycle of

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going through things that bring us joy until the

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point that they no longer bring us joy. And the more business owners I speak

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to with ADHD, the more convinced I am that this is a

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specifically tough challenge for business owners. With

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ADHD, it's so common to

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burn out through all your hyper fixations, but then you're working for yourself, and so

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that kind of becomes your hyper fixation and you stop making

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time for fun in your life. In my whole self

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exploration of what brings me joy, there are a few things

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that I've identified that I think will be fun, and I kind of have

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fun with already that I'm consciously making more time for.

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Now, one of these things is cooking, and there are two kinds

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of cooking. There's the cooking for meal prepping, which is fine. It doesn't bring me

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joy, it doesn't make me miserable. It's just kind of like a neutral thing that

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I have to do and a neutral thing that I do that sometimes I don't

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even eat the food because I don't want to eat it because I'm hyper

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fixated on another food group at the time. But this is my routine.

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But what I'm talking about with cooking is like cooking something you've never

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tried before. This past weekend, I decided to

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venture into making lobster risotto arancini the next

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day. And if you're not familiar with what arancini is, it's

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a roman dish where they take a bottle of risotto, they bread it, and then

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they deep fry it, and they usually have a little bit of cheese in there.

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But with a lot of lobster, I didn't think cheese would be necessary, and it

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wasn't. It was delicious. It took a fucking ton of time.

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I had to go buy the lobsters. I had to kill the lobsters. I had

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to cook the lobsters, then remove the meat from the lobster

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shells. I had to use the shells to make a broth that I then had

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to use to make the risotto. And if you've never made risotto before, you basically

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have to stand there for almost an hour stirring it. I had

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to chop up vegetables for the stock, like all these things. And I know I'm

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describing this, and this does not sound like fun. This was so much fun. I

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got so invested in it, and it was like this new adventure that I got

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to embark on. And the

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best thing about cooking for me is cooking for other

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people, right? Because you spend all this time

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following the instructions, seeing how things turn out,

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and then you get to serve it and you get to see people's reactions.

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I'm not cooking risotto all the time. It takes too much time for me to

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do

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so. When we think about fun, we make fun complicated.

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But it doesn't have to be fun. Can

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be having an adventure in your own kitchen. You know, another thing

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that I've been toying around with over the last couple years is I have

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an idea for a fantasy novel. Now, it may be

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terrible. Who knows? It probably is a terrible

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idea. But I decided as part of my

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goals for 2024 that I want to. Take a

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whack at writing this novel. So I signed up for a fiction 101

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class. I may start this class and think it's terrible and not have

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fun with. It at all and then give it up. There's something to the

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adventure of trying. Something new, and it's something that is.

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Really hard to incorporate in your day to day life. But it is so necessary

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to people. With ADHD, because we don't just like.

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Variety, we have a need for variety. If you're not

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giving it new experiences, it's going to come up in your business,

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it's going to come up in your relationships, and it's going to royally fuck you

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over.

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Because if you're not feeding that need for variety with

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hobbies and little adventures and fun, then it's going

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to transfer to your business where it's going to undercut all the

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consistency, all that momentum that you've built. The other

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thing that I really had to set aside is having fun and then creating

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content out of it. As soon as I'm

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doing something fun and there's a pressure to record

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and to track it, it stops being fun for me.

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It starts being a performance. And I

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know, like, everything is content and we want people to feel

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like they know us and we want to have kind of an

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interesting story that we can tell on social media. But

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for the vast majority, the people that you connect with on social media

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aren't going to remember you 40 years from now. Are

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you living life for them, to entertain them for a few seconds

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now? Or are you living life so that at the end

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of your life, you don't have any regrets?

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And it's hard to take time off from your business to do something that's not

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productive in any way, shape or form. That isn't helping you

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make more money, that isn't helping you reach your goals, that isn't helping you get

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more clients. But it is so necessary

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to living the life you want. Something I have to remind

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my clients about all the time, when they're first starting out or

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when they are scaling their business to multiple six

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figures. You need to be really intentional about how you do

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this because it's fairly simple to design an

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arbitrarily successful business that brings in a certain amount of money, that helps a

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certain amount of clients. But that's not what we're after

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in the brave weenie world. We're not after arbitrary

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success. We're after individualized success. We're

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after designing a business that is successful in all the right

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ways that it can support you in living the life

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that you want. That's absolutely terrifying,

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because to be able to design a business that supports you in living the life

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that you actually want, you have to actually figure out what you want. And you

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have to have the ovaries to state it, to demand

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it, to ask for it. You have to be

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brave enough to have those conversations with your

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partner and with your family and with your friends.

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As people with ADHD, we've grown up knowing that we don't

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quite fit in to this neurotypical world. But we've also

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been bombarded by all the same messaging that everyone else is getting about

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what a successful, happy life looks like. It's the spouse

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with the 2.5 children and the dog and the cat and the white

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picket fence. At least it is in the United States. It may be different in

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your country of origin.

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We're handed this vision and we're told like, this is the thing that's going to

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make you the happiest. It's like a conveyor belt. You go through elementary school,

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middle school, high school. You're supposed to go to college, even. Though

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in the United States it also involves crushing debt. And then

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you have to go and. Get a job where you work 40. To 50 hours

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a week, hopefully have enough to save for retirement. You work for

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40 years, maybe longer, and then you retire, and then you

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die. At no point in that story

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is there a point where you're supposed to. Stop and ask,

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is this actually what I want? Do I actually want the white picket fence?

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Do I want to get married? Do I want to have kids? Do I want

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to work in corporate 40 to 50 hours a

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week? One of the hardest things about knowing this and

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going for it is you have to explain to a bunch of other people who've

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been sold on that. Story, and they're not going to get it. This

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is one of the biggest reasons why you need a community that

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understands exactly why you're

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making these changes, why you're breaking out of the mold. Because for them, it doesn't

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work for them either. I've said this before, and I will say it a million

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times more before I die. Building a business takes a

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village, and. Not because it takes a lot of people to do all the things

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to build the business, but because you need the village around you to

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remind you. That you're not crazy, that there's nothing. Wrong with you for

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not accepting the status quo that has been sold to. You your whole life,

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that it's okay to want something different, and it's okay.

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To go after whatever it is that you want in a way that feels

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aligned to you. So here's where this conversation kind of becomes the chicken and

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the egg. Oh, what am I going to say next? Well, you'll have to keep

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listening to find out. But first, squirrel, squirrel, squirrel,

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squirrel.

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So here's where this conversation kind of becomes the chicken and the egg. So

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if you need to design a. Business that will be

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successful in all. The right ways to support you in the life that you actually

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want to. Live that brings you joy, then you. Have to know what it

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is that you want, what you want that life to be that brings you joy,

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so that you'll have time for things that are fun. But in order to

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know what any of those things are, you have to. Start having fun now. You

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have to start experiencing Joy for Joy's sake now.

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Because who knows? Like, in my ideal life, one of the things

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that I cannot wait to have happen

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is to have a house that has a beautiful garden

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with tables set up, and pretty much every Sunday night to have a

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family dinner. And not just family. When I say family, I mean adopted

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family, too. I cook something special. Everyone kind of brings

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a dish. If they have kids, they can kind of run around and do whatever

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they want. But you hang out, you have

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that final bit of respite before the week starts,

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and you have your community around you. That's

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something I really look forward to. And I wouldn't know that that's important to me

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if I weren't making time for the joyful act of cooking.

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And this is one of the reasons why I'm launching the community, like, hyper

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focused. Because for you to be able to identify those things that

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you want, you have to have a sense of safety, that

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it's okay for you to want those things

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and for you to have that sense of safety, that it's okay for you to

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want those things. You kind of have to be around other people who are

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already going for the things that they want, setting up their own vision

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for what their own ideal life looks like, and

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unapologetically going for it. There's a saying that

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I heard about ten years ago, and it was really painful to hear

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when it first came up. And it has continued to be painful as I've grown

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as a human, as I've changed, as I've evolved, as what I want has

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evolved. And it's that you are the sum total of the five people you spend

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the most time with. Now, the reason this is painful is because sometimes you

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look around at the five people you spend the most time with and you love

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them and you cherish them. And also, if you want the

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things that you want, if you're ever going to get them, you

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can't continue spending time with these people, or at least not as much

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as you have been. There's a distance that has to be

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created, and there's a new group of people out there that you

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need to start spending more time with. So I ask you,

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what do you do for fun?

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What are the things that bring you small moments of joy?

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And I challenge you this week to block

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off three to 5 hours to doing that thing.

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And it can be ridiculous. It could be making a blanket

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fort in your living room. It could be dressing up as a wizard and just

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going to a coffee shop and sitting there with your

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cappuccino and, like, chanting weird things over it. Actually, that sounds like a lot of

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fun. And I do have a wizard costume because I was Dumbledore for Halloween one

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year. However, the glasses never arrived. And you just can't be

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Dumbledore without the half moon glasses, which I

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get. He's probably reading old texts with weird, scribbly,

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small writing. But doesn't that drive you nuts? Doesn't it just feel like

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they're about to fall off your face? I wouldn't know because the glasses never arrived

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and I couldn't wear them.

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If you're struggling for ideas, here are some different areas you can check

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out. Eventbrite, I always forget exists, except when I'm going networking. There

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are tickets to goat yoga on Eventbrite. There are like haunted

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house tours, there's cooking classes, Airbnb

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experiences. That's another venue where you can figure

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out local fun things to do that get

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you out of your comfort zone. Weirdly, where I am now,

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there's a lot to do with like alpacas and llamas, which for a

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seaside town seems odd. I didn't realize

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we had that many alpacas and llamas here. This fun thing that you go to

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do will probably bring you joy. Probably isn't going to be like, oh my

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God, this is the thing I want to do for the rest of my life.

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But you're going to continue making time for fun things that

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are outside of your norm until you find that thing.

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Because again, you cannot strategize and

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plan and work on a business that is going to be successful in all the

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right ways that supports you in living your ideal

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life unless you know what that ideal life includes.

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So your work right now is to figure that out

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if you take this challenge and you find something that's fun, weird,

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wonky, outside your norm to do. I would love it if

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you found me on Instagram at Katie

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the coach, not Katie the

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couch, which a lot of people mistakenly thought I

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had. Katie the coach. I would love it if you found me there and sent

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me a dm and just tell me about what you did

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and if it was fun or not. That's

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data that tells you that's not something you want in your ideal life, that tells

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you you do not need to structure your business in a way. That lets

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you do that thing because. You don't want to do that thing. That's fine. I

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don't like being on boats. They make me sick. I'm not going to design my

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business around the idea that I want to be on a boat all the time.

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And I will personally keep you posted about what brings

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me joy and if. Things work out in this writing class, you might be

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seeing a fantasy novel for me in the coming years. Who knows?

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Wouldn't that be funny to be like, yes, I'm the host of the Weenie cast

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and I teach business strategy and I write fantasy novels. For

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a young adult, that would be the most adhd life.

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It would be so on brand. You see here, I'm already

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planning how. This could work for my business. We really can't

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help it. If you realize that you need people who are

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more supportive of you, branching out, doing fun things,

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trial and erroring your whole life to figure out what it is that you want.

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Then I want you to get on the waiting list for the hyper focused

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membership. My producer asked me when this is launching and my

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answer was when I get my shit together and he was like cool. If I

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asked your OBM Heather when this is launching,

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what would she answer is the date? And I said she would

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answer when Katie gets her shit together. But the community is absolutely

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going to be incredible because it's going to be people like you

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who want to create a life on their own terms

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and have to do so in a different way from

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all the neurotypicals. And I'm really excited for it and

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I really do need to get my together. And to get on the waiting list

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you want to go to weeniecast.com

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hyperfocus and you'll find that link in the show notes.

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I asked my clients about what she does for fun and she's like, I don't

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know. I bought a sign that says life is short, lick the bowl

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and it's meant for your kitchen, but I put it in the bathroom. Other than

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that, I'm not that fun. Squirrel, squirrel,

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squirrel, squirrel.