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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club, the show

that harmonizes the rhythm of hip hop with

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the magic of movies.

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Today we're answering the question, what

exactly is a hip hop movie?

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We're three old heads who put their old

heads together to vibe on these films for

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you.

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I'm Dyno Wright, podcaster, filmmaker,

longtime hip hop fan, and the first hip

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hop movie I ever saw in a theater was

Disorderlies in 1987.

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I’m JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, longtime

hip -hop fan, and I'm not a fan of this

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young guy Shaboozy using J-Kwon's

hit song, Tipsy, to climb the charts with

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his “Bar Song”.

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you'll have to hear Shots Fire.

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Hot takes.

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Hot takes, people.

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I'm Boogie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan,

and I played Not Like Us during one of my

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gigs on Saturday night and had the whole

crowd jumping.

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It was glorious.

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Oof.

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Everybody's loving it.

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Except for Drake.

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man.

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In this episode, we'll give you our

definition of a hip -hop movie.

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Basically, we define a hip hop movie as

any movie that showcases or contains one

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or more of the key elements of hip hop,

emceeing, deejaying, breakdancing, and

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graffiti art.

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Or it can star or feature one or more hip

hop artists within the film.

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So we've talked about this on other

episodes, but...

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it was about time we kind of break it down

for the audience in more detail.

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Boogie, you wanna talk a little bit more

about the elements and maybe some of the

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examples of what are the truest of the

truest hip hop movies that we've covered

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or that are out there?

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Yeah, sure.

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So, I mean, MCing, it speaks for itself.

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That's what most people call rapping, or

they refer to a person who does it as a

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rapper, but the old school terms MCing,

microphone controller, moving the crowd,

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just lyrics.

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The DJ, backbone of hip hop, started off

creating break beats, and now just

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spinning from one song to another, from

one turntable to another to keep the break

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beat going continuously nonstop.

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so that the party can keep going, just

laying a platform for the MC.

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The breakdancers, the B -Boys, those are

the guys who used to go out in the dance

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floor and they created their own dance

form.

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And they actually got the name

breakdancing or B -Boys from dancing over

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these break beats.

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And then we have Graffiti, the artistic

style form of lettering, tagging, mural

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writing that's prevalent throughout the

hip hop.

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culture.

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So we've covered some movies that cover

one, two, three, and some of them contain

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all four.

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The most prevalent ones that cover these

elements are the old school ones.

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You know, we have Wild Style, which was

the first hip hop movie.

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We actually have an episode on this.

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Check it out.

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We have a live event that we've also

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worked with our good friend DJ ARM 18,

where we featured the Cold Crush brothers

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and Grand Mixer DST as well as Charlie

Ahern, the writer, director, producer of

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the movie.

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Then there's another movie that kind of

took some of the format, formatting from

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Wild Style.

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It's a little more commercialized, a

little more polished up, and that would be

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Beat Street.

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The name is in it, Beat Street.

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Yeah

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takes place in the Bronx, early days of

hip hop.

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You see all of the elements on full

display.

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One of the main characters is a prominent

graffiti artist in the neighborhood, Ramo.

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You have a DJ who is prevalent throughout

the neighborhood and does all of the

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parties and also ends up in the end

breaking into the club scene.

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His younger brother and his crew, break

dancers, battle rival crews throughout the

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neighborhood.

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Some people don't understand it.

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They're actually having fights and they

end up getting arrested, unfortunately.

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But we have break dancing as well.

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And MCing, we have several prominent early

hip hop artists throughout the movie.

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And also we see kind of where the MCing

starts while the main characters actually

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DJing, actually speaking into the mic as

he's mixing.

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That's kind of where it started.

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And once he couldn't do it himself, then

another guy from the crew would step up,

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stepped up and started doing it for him.

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So there's two good movies right there

that contain all of the elements.

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If you wanna see what it's like in early

hip hop, check out those two classics.

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Great breakdown Boogie.

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So when we first started this podcast, we

got together and DynoWright, It was his

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brainchild.

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And then Boogie, our resident expert on

all things old school and hip hop.

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And we asked you like, which, where, where

should we start?

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Which one should we do?

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And right away you said, we got to do Beat

Street and we got to do Beat Street.

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And then we do Wild Style.

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So we hit the ground running with those

two classics that contain all of those

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elements.

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I think it's increasingly less common to

have all four of the elements because

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break dancing, even though it's coming up

at the Olympics, is not quite as popular

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as it was back in the eighties, late

seventies, early eighties, graffiti also.

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You don't think it's, you think it's as

popular?

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More popular?

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I mean.

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probably not as popular in the US per se,

but like worldwide, worldwide, yeah.

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yeah.

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You're right.

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In the US it's not, I don't see it as much

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DynoWright you want to clarify a little

bit more about some of the hip hop movies,

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other definitions, et cetera.

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We've talked about it being like a

spectrum.

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And so movies like Beat Street and Breakin

or Beat Street and Wild Style are very

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much on the one end of the spectrum where

they cover all four elements and it's

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very, very hip hop heavy.

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But there's other movies maybe on the

other end of the spectrum where they don't

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have as many of the elements.

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It relies more on hip hop songs to sort of

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And maybe they're less of a hip hop movie

than some of these other ones.

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And so we reviewed movies like even Bad

Boys starring Will Smith, not necessarily

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about hip hop culture, but hip hop is

definitely used in it to.

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give color to the story, give it kind of

atmosphere.

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So we count those too.

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Some people may not agree, but we count

them as well.

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And there's other categories we've

covered.

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Musical dramas or comedies.

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Like even tangentially, like Hamilton is

the story of Alexander Hamilton and a lot

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of the Birth of Our Nation all told

through hip hop.

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So you're not going to see Graffiti in

there.

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I don't think there was any break dancing,

but it's obviously a hip hop film while

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they film adaptation of the Broadway play.

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It's definitely a hip-hop film and more

recently we just covered In the Heights

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and the same thing Lin-Manuel Miranda

production.

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There was hip hop throughout, but they did

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and a little tiny bit of break dancing.

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And we do a lot of the, we did some

biographical films as well, where we

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talked about, we Notorious, or we talked

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which is a story of the rise of NWA.

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of age type of stories and set it,

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They tend to lend themselves to hip hop

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from Rick Famuwiya

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The Wood, with Taye Diggs.

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Those, we counted those as hip hop movies too.

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I think the one where we stretch the

definition the most, and this was my

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recommendation, I think one of the newer

Transformers movies, because the whole

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soundtrack was like 90s hip hop.

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But I mean, that's one that we have spoken

about.

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have to.

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shifting over to animation.

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You know, we watched Spider -Man into the

Spider -Verse.

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definitely see some of the elements of hip

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hop throughout that animated feature.

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I mean, Miles Morales was a graffiti

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And there's the soundtrack is...

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hop laden.

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I mean, there's beats and rhymes throughout

the whole film.

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So, you know, you're getting a good taste

of what it's like.

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It takes place in the city.

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the feel right there, you know?

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a sense we have to be a little creative

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sometimes because I mean,

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Let's be honest, you run out of material.

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So you gotta have places where the niche

fits in.

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at them, you can definitely see why we

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viewed them as a hip hop film.

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necessarily consider it a hip hop film.

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And there's more elements to hip hop

culture than those four.

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Like Spider -Man and the Spider -Verse,

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where there's the there's the Air Jordans.

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There's the fashion with the hoodies that

Miles Morales is wearing.

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There's a lot more elements overall to hip

hop culture.

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And so we'll pick up on some of those

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Some of the favorite ones that I've

covered are the ones with the heavy social

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commentary.

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And I think you were pointing this out

before DynoWright.

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Do the Right Thing and Boyz n the Hood.

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Hip -hop is weaved throughout and

obviously Boyz n the Hood stars Ice Cube.

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And you have Fight the Power prominently

played throughout by Public Enemy played

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throughout Do the Right Thing, which was

written for that film.

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But there's such a great commentary on

race and socioeconomic challenges and

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identity.

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And I think that combination of hip -hop

with those social commentary makes it even

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that much more powerful.

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I mean, because one thing that, you know,

you have to emphasize with the beginnings

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of hip hop was that it was a voice for the

voiceless.

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You know, people who created hip hop

weren't necessarily pleased with their

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surroundings and the way things were going

at the time.

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They needed an outlet.

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But some of it was to make their voices

heard and to speak about things that were

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going on in the neighborhood and things

that they weren't necessarily happy with.

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So when we come across films like, you

know, that JB mentioned, Do the Right

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Thing and Boyz n the Hood, they continue with

that voice of telling what's going on in

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the neighborhoods and getting that social

commentary out to the public.

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And it's, I mean, you have the

dramatizations.

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you know, know, you know, factual stories,

but these are everyday things that people

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deal with.

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And, you know, it ties right into the

beginnings and roots of hip hop.

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DynoWright Any other like flavors of

movies that we've covered that under the

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umbrella of hip hop movies?

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We did, we have done documentaries, Style Wars

being one of them.

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Wild Style is more of a stylized

documentary, I guess.

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It's sort of fictional, but those two were

definitely there.

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We covered a few Netflix series.

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We've covered Ladies First, the story of

women in hip hop.

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We covered...

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Dear Mama

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the five -part series with

Tupac and Afeni Shakur.

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And so we've done those.

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Definitely enjoyed those.

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Yeah, that one was more on that was on

Hulu and FX.

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But yeah, same same thing in series.

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We talk a lot about the music and some of

these in the soundtracks, those movies

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that have a heavy hip hop theme soundtrack

like Juice is a great example where it has

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Naughty by Nature, Eric B and Rakim and

some really recognizable songs.

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some iconic scenes like Belly.

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feature rappers and.

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Strong soundtracks

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It also covered a lot of comedies.

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We did many hip hop comedies.

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Spoofs, straight up comedies, there are

many in the oeuvre.

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Yeah, I mean, probably the biggest spoof

of them all was, you know, Don't Be A

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Menace to South Central by Drinking your

Juice in the Hood.

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movies that we've reviewed outside of that

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movie, you're gonna see how that movie

spoofs a bunch of them.

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And it makes the jokes even funnier.

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Yep.

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And yeah, I got the hookup with Method Man

and Red Man when they started getting into

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film.

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You mean how high?

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How High, sorry.

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You said I got the hookup.

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We did.

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I got the hookup.

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That was Master P, right?

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I'm getting confused.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly.

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Yes, you're going to get the full range.

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You'll get the serious movies, the

documentaries, crime dramas, straight up

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dramas, musicals, comedies, animated

movies, feature films.

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They're all even with sci -fi with the

Transformers, which is coming soon.

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But you're going to get the full gamut of

movies and they're all going to be nicely

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tucked into.

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our definition of a hip hop film.

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And if you watch them and listen to our

talking points on these films, you'll see

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exactly why we chose to view them.

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One of my favorites too, and we had a

screening event was Krush Groove.

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The term I will consistently use is like a

time capsule because it tells a story of

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the creation of Def Jam records, but you

get to see LL Cool J as a teenager and

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Beastie Boys as I believe teenagers and

New Edition when they're even younger.

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It's just amazing that that's captured on

film.

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So you see hip hop.

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in its infancy before it was a billion

dollar industry when it was still kind of

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regionalized and to have the forethought

to put that on film, I'm still astonished

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by that.

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And the good thing to notice too is that

we're all on the East Coast, but yeah, we

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view movies that primarily take place in

the West Coast as well.

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So there's no necessarily East Coast bias.

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We're watching them all.

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South, yeah, we're watching them all.

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There's no bias here.

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Yeah, if it's hip hop related, we're on

it.

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And we've done a lot of the big ones.

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Like if you look up a list, we've hit most

of the major ones, if not all.

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But then we'll go off the beaten path a

little bit.

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Like the movie Bodied, which Eminem had a

hand in creating or producing.

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You know, you got a young guy that's doing

his master's thesis on rap battling and he

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gets...

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engaged into it himself and it's a

fascinating story.

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And then some of the lesser known ones

like On the Come Up, which we actually

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were able to promote when it was coming

out on streaming services.

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So yeah, some of these more obscure ones,

I would say, or less popular ones, they're

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worth listening to the episode and viewing

the films as well.

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They have some intrinsic value.

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So that's basically our definition of hip

hop movies.

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I wonder if anybody else has any of our

listeners has any other definition of hip

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hop movies or do they have any gripes with

any of the films that we considered hip

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hop movies?

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Sound off in the comments on YouTube y

'all.

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Or hit us up.

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HipHopMovieClub at gmail .com.

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Yeah, if you come across a movie that we

haven't viewed yet.

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There are still many we haven't viewed

yet.

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So, yeah, we haven't talked about the hip

hop dance film genre either.

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So the whole Step Up series, we have to

get to that still.

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the surface of that yet.

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We haven't even touched the surface of

that yet.

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That's a rabbit hole in itself.

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Ha ha ha!

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We even did a holiday film, Dashing

Through the Snow, which was a Netflix

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film.

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We've done Christmas movies, yeah.

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Hip Hop Nutcracker as well, yeah.

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We got it all, we're getting them all

covered.

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Yeah.

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Hip Hop Movie Club is produced by Your

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Thanks for tuning in.

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Remember, don't hate, calibrate.

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Yeah, I still gotta get my turntables

calibrated.

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You

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that.

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I haven't had a chance to get them over

there and drop them off, but it's coming.