1 00:00:00,212 --> 00:00:04,262 You found the backup wrap up your go-to podcast for all things 2 00:00:04,262 --> 00:00:06,932 backup recovery and cyber recovery. 3 00:00:07,592 --> 00:00:12,542 In this episode, we talk about my recent trip to San Diego where I already 4 00:00:12,542 --> 00:00:14,553 live, but it was for Veeam O 2025. 5 00:00:15,512 --> 00:00:18,572 We break down all the Veeam on announcements that matter 6 00:00:18,572 --> 00:00:20,282 to folks like yourself. 7 00:00:20,732 --> 00:00:24,392 I walk through the big security announcement, including their 8 00:00:24,452 --> 00:00:28,592 CrowdStrike integration and the data resilience maturity model 9 00:00:28,712 --> 00:00:30,662 that they developed with McKenzie. 10 00:00:30,722 --> 00:00:31,532 Very interesting. 11 00:00:32,402 --> 00:00:37,142 But the thing that got me really excited, Veeam finally did what many of us have 12 00:00:37,142 --> 00:00:38,852 been begging them to do for years. 13 00:00:39,182 --> 00:00:45,692 Create a Linux-based software appliance that'll make your backup servers way more 14 00:00:45,692 --> 00:00:48,332 secure against things like ransomware. 15 00:00:49,052 --> 00:00:52,352 Plus, I talk about their AI integration with anthropic. 16 00:00:52,712 --> 00:00:55,832 That lets you basically like talk to your backups. 17 00:00:56,012 --> 00:00:59,582 If you've ever used chat, GPT, imagine doing that, but with your backups, 18 00:00:59,972 --> 00:01:02,042 this is huge, interesting stuff. 19 00:01:02,342 --> 00:01:03,182 Hope you'll like it. 20 00:01:03,662 --> 00:01:07,712 By the way, if you don't know who I am, I'm w Curtis Preston, AKA, Mr. 21 00:01:07,712 --> 00:01:11,852 Backup, and I've been passionate about backup and recovery for over 30 years. 22 00:01:12,902 --> 00:01:13,442 Ever since. 23 00:01:13,442 --> 00:01:17,372 I had to tell my boss that we had no backups of the production 24 00:01:17,372 --> 00:01:18,932 database that we had just lost. 25 00:01:19,532 --> 00:01:21,002 I don't want that to happen to you. 26 00:01:21,072 --> 00:01:22,692 And that's why I do this. 27 00:01:23,112 --> 00:01:28,512 On this podcast, we turn unappreciated backup admins into Cyber recovery heroes. 28 00:01:28,872 --> 00:01:30,972 This is the backup wrap up. 29 00:01:47,782 --> 00:01:48,832 Welcome to the show. 30 00:01:49,402 --> 00:01:54,832 Hi, I am w Curtis Preston, AKA, Mr. Backup, and I have with me my. 31 00:01:54,942 --> 00:01:59,682 Robot vacuum advisor Prasanna Malaiyandi, how's it going? 32 00:01:59,682 --> 00:02:00,092 Prasanna. 33 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:01,587 I am good Curtis. 34 00:02:01,587 --> 00:02:04,047 And how are your two robot vacuums doing? 35 00:02:04,662 --> 00:02:05,112 You know what? 36 00:02:05,112 --> 00:02:09,162 I was just, I was just comment, commenting today that they are actually really 37 00:02:09,162 --> 00:02:12,852 nice and, uh, doing really, really well. 38 00:02:12,852 --> 00:02:16,602 I just, you know, 'cause we have, we have tenants, right, uh, that are 39 00:02:16,602 --> 00:02:21,732 renting different rooms and today, for the first time since sort of mapping out 40 00:02:21,732 --> 00:02:25,812 everything, I let it, 'cause we had a tenant move out yesterday, so I let it. 41 00:02:26,247 --> 00:02:32,457 Go into the tenant's room and uh, and I wasn't sure, um, how 42 00:02:32,457 --> 00:02:34,437 to map that additional area. 43 00:02:34,467 --> 00:02:37,527 And all I did was tell it to, I opened up the door and I just 44 00:02:37,527 --> 00:02:39,837 said to do a full, uh, vacuum. 45 00:02:40,047 --> 00:02:42,087 And it was like, oh look, there's this new room. 46 00:02:42,447 --> 00:02:45,537 And it went in there, it mapped it out, and then it marked it as a new room. 47 00:02:45,897 --> 00:02:47,307 So then I created a. 48 00:02:47,782 --> 00:02:54,202 I created a new room for that room and then I created a routine that 49 00:02:54,202 --> 00:02:58,462 is a three x pass in that room. 50 00:02:58,552 --> 00:02:58,942 Right. 51 00:02:59,002 --> 00:03:01,642 So that I can, like when it, it's a tenant has moved out. 52 00:03:01,642 --> 00:03:04,792 So then I'm like, Hey, send it in there and go in there and three times, 53 00:03:04,822 --> 00:03:06,592 'cause it's only like 120 square feet. 54 00:03:06,592 --> 00:03:09,082 So, um, or something like that. 55 00:03:09,742 --> 00:03:11,692 And, um, yeah. 56 00:03:11,812 --> 00:03:13,162 Anyway, so it's very. 57 00:03:13,377 --> 00:03:17,217 before this, I can't believe before this, you were thinking of using 58 00:03:17,667 --> 00:03:24,087 a non-smart robot that you had to actually control with a remote, like a 59 00:03:24,087 --> 00:03:24,777 Yeah, 60 00:03:25,382 --> 00:03:26,157 I, I, 61 00:03:26,187 --> 00:03:26,847 was smart. 62 00:03:26,847 --> 00:03:28,467 It just wasn't that smart. 63 00:03:28,692 --> 00:03:31,647 I, I, I have no idea what, what you were even thinking, Curtis, 64 00:03:31,887 --> 00:03:34,587 I was thinking cost, right. 65 00:03:34,857 --> 00:03:35,907 I guess that's true. 66 00:03:36,147 --> 00:03:36,477 Yes. 67 00:03:36,477 --> 00:03:36,867 Rumba 68 00:03:37,032 --> 00:03:38,742 'cause remember the, we, we had the Roomba. 69 00:03:38,742 --> 00:03:42,372 The Roomba that we had was one with the sucks up the, you know, it has 70 00:03:42,372 --> 00:03:43,812 the, the bag and all that stuff. 71 00:03:43,872 --> 00:03:45,582 And that thing was like 800 bucks. 72 00:03:45,582 --> 00:03:47,742 I'm like, I'm not spending another $800. 73 00:03:48,462 --> 00:03:51,612 Uh, but I had no idea that I could get one this good. 74 00:03:52,147 --> 00:03:53,832 It, it was also on sale, right? 75 00:03:53,832 --> 00:03:56,172 It was like 160 bucks, something like that. 76 00:03:56,592 --> 00:03:58,332 That other thing was like 150 bucks. 77 00:03:59,622 --> 00:04:00,762 And I just, and. 78 00:04:00,807 --> 00:04:01,497 got stuck. 79 00:04:02,022 --> 00:04:03,672 Yeah, it got stuck all the time. 80 00:04:03,672 --> 00:04:08,772 Like, like literally it didn't finish a single pass either upstairs or downstairs. 81 00:04:08,772 --> 00:04:14,172 It didn't finish, finish a single pass without some catastrophic thing happening. 82 00:04:14,352 --> 00:04:16,812 And the whole point of these things are that they're just supposed 83 00:04:16,812 --> 00:04:19,032 to do what they're supposed to do without bothering me. 84 00:04:19,202 --> 00:04:19,492 Yeah. 85 00:04:20,142 --> 00:04:22,242 It might not be the best vacuum. 86 00:04:22,452 --> 00:04:22,902 Right. 87 00:04:23,262 --> 00:04:24,852 But it's supposed to just happen. 88 00:04:25,272 --> 00:04:25,662 Right. 89 00:04:25,812 --> 00:04:29,442 And uh, I'm not supposed to have to come home and have it, you know, on its back. 90 00:04:30,162 --> 00:04:30,852 Like a turtle. 91 00:04:31,482 --> 00:04:35,022 Exactly, and that just kept happening, you know, and you're 92 00:04:35,022 --> 00:04:37,722 like, and it would climb stuff that you're like, why are you climbing? 93 00:04:37,902 --> 00:04:41,082 That's clearly like the base of a fan, right? 94 00:04:41,292 --> 00:04:42,522 It would see the fan. 95 00:04:42,612 --> 00:04:44,952 Well, this is the problem is it doesn't see it, it just 96 00:04:44,952 --> 00:04:47,382 uses, uh, it doesn't use lidar. 97 00:04:47,862 --> 00:04:50,772 It used, um, what was the other, what was the other? 98 00:04:51,057 --> 00:04:51,852 Oh, IR. 99 00:04:52,707 --> 00:04:53,127 Yeah. 100 00:04:53,127 --> 00:04:53,397 Yeah. 101 00:04:53,397 --> 00:04:56,757 He uses IR sensing and I guess it doesn't see the fan, and so it just 102 00:04:56,757 --> 00:04:58,317 drives right up on the fan base. 103 00:04:58,317 --> 00:05:01,587 And then I'd come in there and the thing would be like beached up on 104 00:05:01,587 --> 00:05:06,387 the fan base or try to go under the couch and it would go under the couch 105 00:05:07,137 --> 00:05:08,517 and it would just get stuck there. 106 00:05:08,547 --> 00:05:11,727 Just get stuck going, oh Lord, what a mess. 107 00:05:11,862 --> 00:05:12,312 Well, I'm 108 00:05:12,387 --> 00:05:12,747 Anyway, 109 00:05:12,762 --> 00:05:15,042 least that it's been working well and 110 00:05:15,117 --> 00:05:15,717 very. 111 00:05:15,852 --> 00:05:16,452 major issues. 112 00:05:17,097 --> 00:05:17,517 Yeah. 113 00:05:17,577 --> 00:05:17,877 Yeah. 114 00:05:17,907 --> 00:05:18,267 Very. 115 00:05:18,357 --> 00:05:20,067 Yeah, it's been working very well. 116 00:05:20,187 --> 00:05:23,967 Um, and it works well with like these other rooms that are shut off that I can 117 00:05:23,967 --> 00:05:26,277 then say, Hey, the tenants moved out. 118 00:05:26,277 --> 00:05:27,057 You know, send it in there. 119 00:05:27,207 --> 00:05:27,477 Yeah. 120 00:05:28,227 --> 00:05:33,477 But anyway, so, you know, I continue to list you as my, my robot vacuum advisor. 121 00:05:34,797 --> 00:05:39,927 But, uh, so, um, I thought we could do a quick. 122 00:05:41,277 --> 00:05:44,817 Review of the conference that I just went to. 123 00:05:44,817 --> 00:05:49,887 I just went to Veeam on, which is veeam's annual um, conference. 124 00:05:49,917 --> 00:05:54,807 And this is my first one that I went to since. 125 00:05:55,647 --> 00:05:57,087 Before joining Druva. 126 00:05:57,147 --> 00:05:57,507 Right. 127 00:05:57,537 --> 00:06:01,647 Um, so I went, I went, the last one I went to was many moons 128 00:06:01,647 --> 00:06:04,137 ago, and it was in New Orleans. 129 00:06:04,407 --> 00:06:08,367 This one was a little bit closer, which is, uh, it was in San Diego. 130 00:06:08,847 --> 00:06:12,057 So, which is like, you know, 40 minutes from where I live. 131 00:06:12,717 --> 00:06:13,857 And, um. 132 00:06:14,222 --> 00:06:19,832 It was nice, uh, to go there and to see the things that they were announcing 133 00:06:19,832 --> 00:06:23,612 to again, you know, uh, get to get some face-to-face with, uh, some of 134 00:06:23,612 --> 00:06:25,592 the people that we've had on the show. 135 00:06:26,042 --> 00:06:26,312 Right. 136 00:06:26,312 --> 00:06:27,932 And to make some new friends as well. 137 00:06:28,442 --> 00:06:32,852 And, uh, to also experience, uh, San Diego as a tourist. 138 00:06:32,852 --> 00:06:33,722 It was kind of interesting. 139 00:06:34,077 --> 00:06:36,867 So this was in San Diego, right? 140 00:06:36,867 --> 00:06:38,547 In a giant convention center. 141 00:06:38,817 --> 00:06:42,597 Were there customers there in addition to, and analysts, I'm 142 00:06:42,597 --> 00:06:44,247 guessing, like who was there? 143 00:06:45,267 --> 00:06:50,787 Yeah, so there were, there were analysts and press and I was in that, um, section. 144 00:06:51,417 --> 00:06:52,827 They corded us off. 145 00:06:52,827 --> 00:06:57,477 They gave us like a nice front row seat with tables, um, so that we 146 00:06:57,477 --> 00:07:01,287 could use our laptops, uh, and things like that during the presentation. 147 00:07:01,887 --> 00:07:03,087 And there were. 148 00:07:03,692 --> 00:07:06,122 I, I don't know how many people were there. 149 00:07:06,122 --> 00:07:08,732 It's not, it's not a conference that's like, that's like the 150 00:07:08,732 --> 00:07:13,562 size of, I mean, this does not compare to, to reinvent, right? 151 00:07:13,772 --> 00:07:17,252 Reinventing is like just ginormous. 152 00:07:17,252 --> 00:07:18,332 It's like a billion people. 153 00:07:18,332 --> 00:07:22,412 It's like, I, I, I think it's up to like 60, 70,000 people. 154 00:07:22,412 --> 00:07:23,372 This was not like that. 155 00:07:23,372 --> 00:07:26,102 This was a much, much more intimate event, but it was still. 156 00:07:26,922 --> 00:07:28,272 You know, measured in the thousands. 157 00:07:28,272 --> 00:07:30,372 I, I don't, I don't know what the actual number was. 158 00:07:30,792 --> 00:07:33,942 Uh, and, and it's a very big stage, very big presentation. 159 00:07:33,942 --> 00:07:39,282 Very, very, you know, they, they had a nice intro video each day. 160 00:07:39,342 --> 00:07:43,152 Um, you know, it was, it was very professionally produced, 161 00:07:43,572 --> 00:07:45,432 uh, which is all, all very nice. 162 00:07:45,792 --> 00:07:50,172 Uh, they took care of us as analysts and, uh, and press, uh, to, you 163 00:07:50,172 --> 00:07:53,022 know, to make sure that we didn't serve the death and all of that. 164 00:07:53,262 --> 00:07:58,692 So this is a sponsored event that you attended, right? 165 00:07:58,692 --> 00:08:00,462 They did pay for your hotel and 166 00:08:00,462 --> 00:08:00,812 Right. 167 00:08:01,122 --> 00:08:05,802 and visiting, but everything we're talking about is for the rest of this episode. 168 00:08:05,802 --> 00:08:07,452 Is your opinions, right? 169 00:08:08,352 --> 00:08:08,892 terms of 170 00:08:09,537 --> 00:08:10,197 Yes. 171 00:08:10,362 --> 00:08:10,842 what we will 172 00:08:10,887 --> 00:08:11,367 Right. 173 00:08:12,057 --> 00:08:13,587 This is not a sponsored episode. 174 00:08:13,617 --> 00:08:17,187 Veeam is not paying for these words, uh, nor anybody else, 175 00:08:17,247 --> 00:08:18,297 uh, paying for these words. 176 00:08:19,707 --> 00:08:23,547 And, uh, yeah, this is just my thoughts as of, and it is interesting because, 177 00:08:23,997 --> 00:08:27,507 you know, preparing for the show, you know, we looked at some of the, 178 00:08:27,567 --> 00:08:30,897 um, of the coverage of the show. 179 00:08:31,077 --> 00:08:35,217 And it is interesting, the, the, the, um, what do you call it? 180 00:08:35,217 --> 00:08:37,467 Um, the. 181 00:08:39,747 --> 00:08:43,857 Perspective that other people had when they're, when they're covering the 182 00:08:43,857 --> 00:08:45,717 show versus, versus my perspective. 183 00:08:45,897 --> 00:08:48,627 And the, the one thing I walked away with that I was super excited 184 00:08:48,627 --> 00:08:51,027 about that what was interesting that they didn't even talk about. 185 00:08:51,117 --> 00:08:52,587 So, uh, we'll talk about, I, 186 00:08:52,707 --> 00:08:52,917 get. 187 00:08:53,217 --> 00:08:54,537 we cover that last, what do you think 188 00:08:54,847 --> 00:08:57,192 I, I, I think that's sounds good. 189 00:08:57,267 --> 00:08:58,137 that makes sense. 190 00:08:59,112 --> 00:09:05,202 what would you say was like your one big takeaway, or what was the one message 191 00:09:05,202 --> 00:09:11,682 that they were trying to ensure everyone walked away with from the conference? 192 00:09:12,852 --> 00:09:19,872 The one message was that they heard it loud and clear the need for strong 193 00:09:19,872 --> 00:09:21,462 security and defense against ransomware. 194 00:09:22,392 --> 00:09:22,812 Right. 195 00:09:22,842 --> 00:09:26,262 There were a number of features that talked about that. 196 00:09:26,592 --> 00:09:29,442 The, you know, there, there's the CrowdStrike integration, 197 00:09:29,712 --> 00:09:33,492 there's this, uh, the, the ransomware, uh, trends and report. 198 00:09:33,492 --> 00:09:36,042 They have the, uh, data resilience maturity model. 199 00:09:36,042 --> 00:09:37,152 We'll talk about that in a minute. 200 00:09:37,692 --> 00:09:43,722 Um, and, um, it, it is just a, it's just a, a topic, just like. 201 00:09:44,472 --> 00:09:48,192 I mean, just like all the other, the backup vendors, right? 202 00:09:48,267 --> 00:09:48,567 Yeah, 203 00:09:48,612 --> 00:09:52,032 They all, they all wanna make sure that it, it is top of mind, right? 204 00:09:52,062 --> 00:09:55,872 Um, and so they wanted to make sure that message has been received and 205 00:09:55,872 --> 00:09:57,612 we are doing all of these things. 206 00:09:57,882 --> 00:10:03,132 Um, you know, previous shows that I've seen, it's like the big announcements 207 00:10:03,132 --> 00:10:05,682 are, we're covering this new platform, or we have this new thing. 208 00:10:05,682 --> 00:10:08,742 And they had some of those things, but the things that they led with 209 00:10:08,742 --> 00:10:11,022 were the cybersecurity message. 210 00:10:11,352 --> 00:10:15,312 Um, you know, and, and some really big stuff that, that 211 00:10:15,312 --> 00:10:16,632 it fell into that category. 212 00:10:17,067 --> 00:10:23,337 So just given that it's the flavor of the year, I guess, and a 213 00:10:23,337 --> 00:10:26,937 conference will not be a conference unless it's being discussed. 214 00:10:27,357 --> 00:10:28,932 Was there anything around ai. 215 00:10:30,312 --> 00:10:30,342 Oh. 216 00:10:32,607 --> 00:10:38,397 Yeah, AI came up, uh, and actually a really cool demo, uh, that 217 00:10:38,397 --> 00:10:39,657 we'll talk about in a second. 218 00:10:40,047 --> 00:10:48,177 Uh, actually the one AI thing that they talked about and then demonstrated it 219 00:10:48,177 --> 00:10:51,477 was something that we've talked about for many, many years, and I actually 220 00:10:51,477 --> 00:10:57,357 got to see it happen even though what they're demoing was like days old. 221 00:10:57,477 --> 00:10:57,747 Yeah. 222 00:10:58,077 --> 00:11:00,447 Uh, that was, that was really cool. 223 00:11:00,852 --> 00:11:01,242 Okay. 224 00:11:01,482 --> 00:11:01,932 Awesome. 225 00:11:02,082 --> 00:11:04,122 So maybe let's just dive into it. 226 00:11:04,122 --> 00:11:07,392 Do you want to start with the security side of announcements 227 00:11:07,872 --> 00:11:12,522 Yeah, so, so the, you know, there was this, uh, this, this Integr integration 228 00:11:12,522 --> 00:11:17,472 with CrowdStrike, um, you know, to, to basically help to, again, again, 229 00:11:17,622 --> 00:11:21,972 identify and, and hunt out and find, uh, ransomware and, and various 230 00:11:21,972 --> 00:11:24,282 other threats that I liked a lot. 231 00:11:24,582 --> 00:11:27,912 Um, don't wanna delve too much into that, but that, that was, go ahead. 232 00:11:28,347 --> 00:11:30,507 before you move on though, I know you don't wanna talk a lot. 233 00:11:30,687 --> 00:11:33,147 It's interesting though, right? 234 00:11:33,327 --> 00:11:36,777 It just seems so obvious to us just having been in the backup in 235 00:11:37,257 --> 00:11:37,617 Right, 236 00:11:37,857 --> 00:11:38,217 right? 237 00:11:38,457 --> 00:11:40,587 It's like, oh, you have all your data there. 238 00:11:40,587 --> 00:11:45,357 Why wouldn't you wanna look for ransomware in that treasure trove of data? 239 00:11:45,597 --> 00:11:46,017 Right. 240 00:11:46,107 --> 00:11:49,167 starting to see like all the backup vendors now doing 241 00:11:49,167 --> 00:11:50,817 integrations with CrowdStrike, 242 00:11:51,447 --> 00:11:51,867 Mm-hmm. 243 00:11:51,957 --> 00:11:53,517 the latest with their announcement. 244 00:11:54,117 --> 00:12:00,027 Yeah, I, you know, it's, um, and they've had some similar features, but this 245 00:12:00,027 --> 00:12:03,717 is, you know, you know, a, a solid integration with CrowdStrike, so, yeah. 246 00:12:04,737 --> 00:12:09,987 Um, but they, they also released, uh, this, uh, ransomware trends report. 247 00:12:10,557 --> 00:12:15,327 And this, I don't wanna, I don't want to go into the, like, the, the, the different 248 00:12:15,327 --> 00:12:17,727 percentages and stuff, but basically it. 249 00:12:18,237 --> 00:12:25,587 It showed, um, you know, their continued efforts in this area right. 250 00:12:25,587 --> 00:12:31,107 To, to, to help people understand just how big the ransomware problem is and just 251 00:12:31,107 --> 00:12:37,997 how, um, I. In case you were the, the, the, the one dentist out of the, the five 252 00:12:37,997 --> 00:12:41,417 dentists that doesn't recommend sugarless gum for their patient's chew gum. 253 00:12:41,987 --> 00:12:42,347 Um, 254 00:12:44,837 --> 00:12:48,257 the, um, that was a dentine reverence for those that didn't get that 255 00:12:48,257 --> 00:12:51,467 reference anyway, uh, that they. 256 00:12:51,687 --> 00:12:55,467 Um, you know, they, they, they, they drove that message home loud and clear that, 257 00:12:55,527 --> 00:12:57,597 uh, this is continues to be a problem. 258 00:12:57,807 --> 00:13:01,257 They showed things like the percentage of people that that paid the ransom, the 259 00:13:01,257 --> 00:13:04,107 percentage of people that paid the ransom, but still didn't get their data back. 260 00:13:04,347 --> 00:13:05,547 All of those interesting things. 261 00:13:05,547 --> 00:13:09,807 I, I think every one of these, these reports, uh, are, 262 00:13:09,867 --> 00:13:11,397 they're always very interested. 263 00:13:11,567 --> 00:13:12,917 Yeah, and, and 264 00:13:13,047 --> 00:13:13,257 go ahead. 265 00:13:13,277 --> 00:13:16,397 for someone who, maybe you're a Veeam customer, maybe you're not 266 00:13:16,397 --> 00:13:18,437 a Veeam customer, you should go. 267 00:13:19,367 --> 00:13:23,327 Grab that report and take a look at it because it could help you as you're 268 00:13:23,327 --> 00:13:28,427 trying to explain to your bosses or the head of it, Hey, we need extra funding 269 00:13:28,427 --> 00:13:30,347 because there is risk in our environment. 270 00:13:30,767 --> 00:13:34,727 And look, even these other companies that thought they were protected were not. 271 00:13:35,207 --> 00:13:40,277 And so I think having actual data that you can then take and talk to 272 00:13:40,277 --> 00:13:43,817 other people, be it on the business side or wherever else, right. 273 00:13:43,817 --> 00:13:45,017 I think is helpful. 274 00:13:45,017 --> 00:13:46,637 Just having a larger sample set. 275 00:13:47,852 --> 00:13:48,242 Yeah. 276 00:13:48,332 --> 00:13:48,872 Agreed. 277 00:13:49,412 --> 00:13:55,352 Uh, and, and speaking of things that you can go get and don't and aren't 278 00:13:55,352 --> 00:13:58,112 specifically tailored at Veeam customers. 279 00:13:58,422 --> 00:14:01,332 There is this data resilience maturity model. 280 00:14:01,572 --> 00:14:03,492 This was actually really impressive. 281 00:14:03,942 --> 00:14:08,382 Um, they worked with McKenzie, which is a big consulting firm for those of 282 00:14:08,382 --> 00:14:13,692 you that don't know who they are, and also with, uh, a professor at MIT and 283 00:14:13,692 --> 00:14:18,582 they interviewed, um, you know, uh, I forgot what the actual number was, but 284 00:14:19,032 --> 00:14:21,497 quite, it's, you know, it was either. 285 00:14:22,157 --> 00:14:23,897 I, I, I should have the number here. 286 00:14:23,987 --> 00:14:26,777 I should have the number in front of me, but it was quite a large 287 00:14:26,777 --> 00:14:32,357 number of, uh, CIOs and they talked to them about the, the various. 288 00:14:32,822 --> 00:14:35,582 Things that they were doing from a data resiliency standpoint. 289 00:14:36,062 --> 00:14:42,692 And what they then did was they, um, they modeled that out into a maturity model and 290 00:14:42,692 --> 00:14:47,552 then they were able to show you, these are the things, if you're doing these things, 291 00:14:48,032 --> 00:14:50,312 then you are, and only these things. 292 00:14:50,312 --> 00:14:53,522 Then you are at the very basic level of maturity. 293 00:14:53,882 --> 00:14:56,642 It's like, you know, you're, you're making backups, you're making copies 294 00:14:56,642 --> 00:14:58,112 of those backups, things like that. 295 00:14:58,562 --> 00:15:00,932 Um, and then. 296 00:15:02,282 --> 00:15:05,642 That, that's like the, the most basic, it's like table stakes. 297 00:15:05,762 --> 00:15:06,152 job. 298 00:15:06,572 --> 00:15:10,682 you're making copies and you know, but then as you started to add 299 00:15:10,682 --> 00:15:17,972 things like, um, uh, immutability, add, add things like, um, uh, the 300 00:15:17,972 --> 00:15:22,117 incident response plans and a, as you added all of these additional 301 00:15:22,142 --> 00:15:24,032 things, whether or not you were doing. 302 00:15:24,572 --> 00:15:27,782 Um, you know, they have the concept of the 3, 2, 1, 1 0. 303 00:15:27,932 --> 00:15:29,522 Are you doing these things? 304 00:15:29,702 --> 00:15:32,792 But, but they didn't use that specific term because again, 305 00:15:32,792 --> 00:15:35,582 this, they weren't catering this specifically to Veeam audiences. 306 00:15:35,582 --> 00:15:39,092 But are you making sure that you have an immutable copy? 307 00:15:39,092 --> 00:15:43,742 Is it offsite or you know, and are you doing, um, tabletop discussions? 308 00:15:43,742 --> 00:15:45,812 Are you doing recovery testing? 309 00:15:45,812 --> 00:15:49,532 Are you doing automated recovery testing as you worked your way up 310 00:15:49,532 --> 00:15:52,502 the resiliency, um, you know, model. 311 00:15:52,742 --> 00:15:53,852 You could see that. 312 00:15:54,857 --> 00:16:00,497 Basically anyone can look at this model and say, here's where I am. 313 00:16:00,617 --> 00:16:05,177 And again, this is another tool that you can use when working with 314 00:16:05,687 --> 00:16:07,727 senior people in your organization. 315 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:12,797 You can say, look, I, Veeam came out with this maturity model and we are 316 00:16:12,887 --> 00:16:16,367 like the most basic, I've been trying to tell you we gotta, we gotta get better. 317 00:16:16,367 --> 00:16:16,637 Right? 318 00:16:16,637 --> 00:16:18,287 And it's something that you can use to. 319 00:16:19,877 --> 00:16:23,032 To, to basically make yourselves better and and more resilient 320 00:16:23,032 --> 00:16:24,872 against things like cyber attacks. 321 00:16:25,127 --> 00:16:28,937 Yeah, and I think I also like the resiliency model and like you said, 322 00:16:28,937 --> 00:16:34,037 laying out those levels because could then decide and say, look, we might 323 00:16:34,037 --> 00:16:37,547 be at basic to get to intermediate, or whatever the next step is. 324 00:16:37,547 --> 00:16:38,807 Here are the things we need to cover. 325 00:16:38,807 --> 00:16:39,137 Rather 326 00:16:39,347 --> 00:16:39,677 Right? 327 00:16:39,857 --> 00:16:42,827 Hey, let's just start randomly adding things from like the 328 00:16:42,827 --> 00:16:44,687 advanced category, right? 329 00:16:44,717 --> 00:16:45,137 Yeah. 330 00:16:45,227 --> 00:16:47,627 not even, it doesn't help you in the long term, right? 331 00:16:47,627 --> 00:16:50,897 Because you don't have the things you need to cover the next level. 332 00:16:51,122 --> 00:16:54,002 So it gives you a way to sort of structure and organize your thoughts. 333 00:16:54,782 --> 00:17:00,122 do the table stakes, add things as you can, uh, make yourself better over time. 334 00:17:00,482 --> 00:17:00,752 Yeah. 335 00:17:01,637 --> 00:17:10,757 But, um, so, um, they talked about how that, um, they now have Microsoft intra 336 00:17:10,757 --> 00:17:15,167 I support with the Veeam Data Cloud, which if you're not familiar with the 337 00:17:15,167 --> 00:17:19,427 Veeam Data Cloud, they went from not doing this at all to boom, you know, 338 00:17:20,387 --> 00:17:22,187 doing, doing it for a lot of things. 339 00:17:22,637 --> 00:17:27,677 And so they now basically have a SaaS based, um, you know. 340 00:17:28,277 --> 00:17:30,617 Backup product for a number of. 341 00:17:30,947 --> 00:17:33,497 Uh, um, you know, for a number of products. 342 00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:37,577 Here's an interesting stat that I picked up from the Veeam on conference, and 343 00:17:37,577 --> 00:17:42,347 that was, uh, again, it's a stat that I have not verified, but it's a stat that 344 00:17:42,347 --> 00:17:46,457 they said multiple times with the guy from Microsoft standing on the stage. 345 00:17:46,457 --> 00:17:51,017 So what they claimed to be was the largest provider of. 346 00:17:51,722 --> 00:17:57,902 Backup from Microsoft 365 and they actually gave a number, and if I 347 00:17:57,902 --> 00:18:05,012 recall correctly, it was something like 20% of all Microsoft 365 backup, uh, 348 00:18:05,012 --> 00:18:08,402 customers are using their product, right? 349 00:18:08,432 --> 00:18:13,052 Not just 20%, 25% of the people that are backing up Microsoft 365, but 350 00:18:13,082 --> 00:18:16,412 2020 it was 20 or 25% of the entire. 351 00:18:16,762 --> 00:18:21,712 Microsoft 365, uh, customer base is using the Veeam Data 352 00:18:21,712 --> 00:18:23,872 Cloud to back up Microsoft 365. 353 00:18:24,197 --> 00:18:24,737 That is 354 00:18:24,892 --> 00:18:25,282 Yeah. 355 00:18:25,792 --> 00:18:30,087 Considering Con, especially considering that they were actually kind of a late. 356 00:18:30,617 --> 00:18:33,167 Entry in this market, right? 357 00:18:33,557 --> 00:18:34,847 The fact that they've, uh. 358 00:18:36,092 --> 00:18:39,752 Garnered such a big market share is a big thing. 359 00:18:39,932 --> 00:18:42,782 Also, by the way, I just extrapolated from that. 360 00:18:43,292 --> 00:18:48,992 I remember there was a time when if you interviewed, if you, if you did a survey 361 00:18:48,992 --> 00:18:54,872 of, of Microsoft 365 customers, I. We came out with a number that said that like only 362 00:18:54,872 --> 00:18:58,922 5% of 365 customers were backing up 365. 363 00:18:59,612 --> 00:19:07,232 So that number has clearly been increased because if they're doing 20 to 25% and 364 00:19:07,232 --> 00:19:11,432 there are other people that are doing it, so that, that, that's good news to me. 365 00:19:11,522 --> 00:19:13,892 Maybe everyone listens to our podcast 'cause I know we 366 00:19:14,102 --> 00:19:14,522 That's what it's, 367 00:19:14,792 --> 00:19:15,302 backup 368 00:19:15,362 --> 00:19:15,542 it 369 00:19:15,812 --> 00:19:17,252 365, right? 370 00:19:17,252 --> 00:19:19,142 Yeah, I, I think we should take claim for 371 00:19:19,192 --> 00:19:24,112 And to the Veeam Data Cloud, they added support for Microsoft Intra id. 372 00:19:24,202 --> 00:19:28,402 So, um, otherwise known or formerly known as Active Directory. 373 00:19:29,452 --> 00:19:30,592 So, um. 374 00:19:30,992 --> 00:19:35,462 They also added, uh, Veeam CDP for Windows and Linux. 375 00:19:35,522 --> 00:19:40,292 Um, that was something that, um, you know, the idea of basically being 376 00:19:40,292 --> 00:19:45,512 able to back up the data every few seconds, um, for certain workloads. 377 00:19:45,692 --> 00:19:46,022 What's that? 378 00:19:46,022 --> 00:19:46,262 Go ahead. 379 00:19:46,412 --> 00:19:47,042 Oh, thank you. 380 00:19:47,192 --> 00:19:47,552 Thank you. 381 00:19:47,882 --> 00:19:50,162 CDP meaning continuous data protection. 382 00:19:50,612 --> 00:19:57,362 And, um, then there was another announcement, which I was very excited 383 00:19:57,362 --> 00:20:05,642 about, what they demonstrated was if you have, if you're using Veeam Vault, right? 384 00:20:05,642 --> 00:20:07,382 So first off, what is Veeam Vault? 385 00:20:07,412 --> 00:20:11,642 Veeam Vault is their cloud storage in Azure. 386 00:20:12,092 --> 00:20:15,992 Um, and basically you buy by the, you know, by the gigabyte. 387 00:20:16,727 --> 00:20:22,727 And if you're using the Veeam Cloud, that you could recover any image-based backup. 388 00:20:22,727 --> 00:20:26,037 So a backup of Windows server, a Linux server. 389 00:20:26,527 --> 00:20:32,197 Any image-based backup, you can, uh, boot up that system in. 390 00:20:33,817 --> 00:20:39,397 Azure in under five minutes, and that was really impressive. 391 00:20:39,397 --> 00:20:39,787 Right? 392 00:20:39,877 --> 00:20:46,737 Um, now, uh, and I'll add to this, it, you don't necessarily have to use Veeam Vault. 393 00:20:46,977 --> 00:20:50,517 You can do this by using, for example, Azure storage. 394 00:20:50,697 --> 00:20:51,627 You can even do it. 395 00:20:51,927 --> 00:20:55,977 By having it somewhere else, they're just saying, you know, they were demonstrating 396 00:20:55,977 --> 00:20:57,597 the power of what they have there. 397 00:20:57,897 --> 00:21:01,347 And uh, and, and if you use something else, you would also have things 398 00:21:01,347 --> 00:21:04,377 like, um, I. Egress charges, right? 399 00:21:04,587 --> 00:21:09,777 But if you used Veeam Vault and you did a recovery into Azure, 400 00:21:09,957 --> 00:21:14,517 you would be able to do this, uh, per server in under five minutes. 401 00:21:14,812 --> 00:21:15,742 Pretty darn impressive. 402 00:21:16,162 --> 00:21:17,332 No, that is, and 403 00:21:17,447 --> 00:21:17,567 I. 404 00:21:17,662 --> 00:21:21,412 when they're doing this recovery, is that. 405 00:21:22,147 --> 00:21:26,887 Being instantiated in the customer's original source location or 406 00:21:26,887 --> 00:21:29,257 in their Microsoft account, or 407 00:21:30,082 --> 00:21:30,742 The latter. 408 00:21:30,832 --> 00:21:33,682 So in their Microsoft account in Azure. 409 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:34,082 Okay. 410 00:21:34,702 --> 00:21:39,172 Right now, again, remember Veeam due to their relationships with, 411 00:21:39,232 --> 00:21:43,462 um, Microsoft, they generally do a lot of things in Azure, right? 412 00:21:43,462 --> 00:21:47,632 So they're doing their vd, their, um, Veeam Data Cloud in Azure. 413 00:21:47,812 --> 00:21:50,572 They're doing the Veeam Vault in Azure, and, uh, they're 414 00:21:50,572 --> 00:21:51,772 doing this in Azure, right? 415 00:21:51,772 --> 00:21:55,882 So, uh, you're able to, and, and they are able to do recoveries 416 00:21:55,912 --> 00:21:57,232 in other cloud platforms. 417 00:21:57,232 --> 00:21:58,672 It's just this is what they're leading with. 418 00:21:58,672 --> 00:21:59,002 Yep. 419 00:21:59,452 --> 00:22:00,352 That's pretty awesome. 420 00:22:00,757 --> 00:22:01,057 Yeah. 421 00:22:01,147 --> 00:22:01,387 Yeah. 422 00:22:01,507 --> 00:22:02,107 Very cool. 423 00:22:02,947 --> 00:22:05,007 So we have two more things to talk about. 424 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:10,047 The first is the, the, this AI piece, which I just thought was just super cool. 425 00:22:10,557 --> 00:22:14,007 Um, and then we're gonna talk about something that like. 426 00:22:14,562 --> 00:22:17,862 Literally we've been begging them to do for years and that they finally did. 427 00:22:18,672 --> 00:22:22,962 So the first was that they have an integration with Anthropic. 428 00:22:22,962 --> 00:22:26,892 Anthropic, for those that don't know is the company behind Claude. 429 00:22:27,342 --> 00:22:27,672 Right. 430 00:22:27,672 --> 00:22:33,012 Which is a big LLM large language model and, uh, and a, a product 431 00:22:33,012 --> 00:22:35,202 that I've used quite a bit and. 432 00:22:35,607 --> 00:22:38,007 They, uh, they demoed it. 433 00:22:38,122 --> 00:22:41,697 I, I, I knew that they were working on it and, you know, and, and so 434 00:22:41,697 --> 00:22:44,217 they announced it, but you know, you know how it is with announcements. 435 00:22:44,217 --> 00:22:45,507 I didn't know how real it was. 436 00:22:46,317 --> 00:22:47,337 I got to watch them. 437 00:22:47,337 --> 00:22:52,707 They connected it, um, to basically two a demo backup environment, 438 00:22:53,397 --> 00:22:56,097 and then they, they had two. 439 00:22:56,832 --> 00:22:59,262 Um, sort of AI integrations. 440 00:22:59,262 --> 00:23:07,662 One was an a, a natural language search where they could say things like, show me. 441 00:23:09,337 --> 00:23:14,292 All of the, as I recall, there were some, like reports on, um, 442 00:23:14,322 --> 00:23:16,542 weather, something about weather. 443 00:23:16,632 --> 00:23:21,642 Uh, they, they, they said, you know, show me weather reports in 2024 or whatever. 444 00:23:21,642 --> 00:23:24,372 And then they, they pulled 'em up and, and the result of 445 00:23:24,372 --> 00:23:26,442 that search was kind of like. 446 00:23:27,327 --> 00:23:30,087 It was very Google like, where you had a, you had a heading of 447 00:23:30,087 --> 00:23:33,087 a document, then you had like a, like a summary of the document. 448 00:23:33,087 --> 00:23:35,697 Then you could click on it and be taken directly to that. 449 00:23:35,937 --> 00:23:37,077 So what are we talking about here? 450 00:23:37,347 --> 00:23:40,167 We're talking about searching the backups. 451 00:23:40,242 --> 00:23:40,692 hmm. 452 00:23:40,722 --> 00:23:45,522 All of your Veeam backups that Veeam, that the Veeam catalog knows about. 453 00:23:45,882 --> 00:23:48,882 You're talking about searching them using natural language 454 00:23:49,182 --> 00:23:51,042 and then pulling up the con. 455 00:23:51,072 --> 00:23:53,502 Searching the content is really important. 456 00:23:53,712 --> 00:23:56,562 Searching the content of these backups because. 457 00:23:57,167 --> 00:24:00,977 That is not typically something that you do with a backup product, right? 458 00:24:00,977 --> 00:24:03,527 You, this is one of the rea, this is one of the differences 459 00:24:03,707 --> 00:24:05,897 between archive and backup, right? 460 00:24:05,957 --> 00:24:10,247 Is that with backup, we generally just know the server, the file 461 00:24:10,247 --> 00:24:12,377 name, you know, date and time. 462 00:24:12,492 --> 00:24:12,672 Yeah, 463 00:24:12,767 --> 00:24:17,987 We don't generally know the, the contents of the file, but due to this integration, 464 00:24:18,197 --> 00:24:20,657 you can search the contents of the file. 465 00:24:20,657 --> 00:24:24,167 So they're like, show me files that. 466 00:24:24,687 --> 00:24:28,137 Are about weather reports in 2024, and it's like, boop, here you go. 467 00:24:28,137 --> 00:24:32,202 It's like Googling your backups, which was really cool. 468 00:24:32,682 --> 00:24:34,272 that is actually pretty awesome. 469 00:24:34,272 --> 00:24:37,007 And one of the things as you were talking through this that ran through my head was. 470 00:24:38,622 --> 00:24:41,952 What does this mean for vendors who do e-discovery 471 00:24:43,112 --> 00:24:43,402 Huge. 472 00:24:44,052 --> 00:24:46,182 like Xero or disco 473 00:24:46,257 --> 00:24:46,317 Yeah. 474 00:24:46,332 --> 00:24:47,262 take your pick, right? 475 00:24:47,772 --> 00:24:48,942 Yeah, it's huge. 476 00:24:49,272 --> 00:24:52,392 And, and by the way, this is only the first of, of the two things 477 00:24:52,422 --> 00:24:53,472 we're gonna talk about, right? 478 00:24:54,012 --> 00:24:59,112 Um, so what they did next was, uh, was just like, and for those of you, if, if 479 00:24:59,112 --> 00:25:04,542 you ever haven't, if you haven't ever used ChatGPT or Claude or something 480 00:25:04,542 --> 00:25:08,532 similar, you, you would, you would just be blown away with this, right? 481 00:25:08,582 --> 00:25:13,712 Again, having used both tools, what they're really good at, they're, they're 482 00:25:13,712 --> 00:25:18,812 good at a lot of things, but some of it borders on, you know, like, um, 483 00:25:18,932 --> 00:25:21,722 you know, when you, when you ask it to try to come up with something new. 484 00:25:22,052 --> 00:25:26,912 Quote, new, nothing is really new in an ll but when you ask it to come up with 485 00:25:26,912 --> 00:25:30,572 something new, it can sometimes have what we call hallucinations and make up 486 00:25:30,572 --> 00:25:31,832 stories and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 487 00:25:31,892 --> 00:25:32,222 Yeah. 488 00:25:32,612 --> 00:25:35,672 But what it's really good at is summarizing, 489 00:25:35,942 --> 00:25:36,272 Mm-hmm. 490 00:25:36,842 --> 00:25:38,252 So we use that here. 491 00:25:38,252 --> 00:25:38,612 Right. 492 00:25:38,612 --> 00:25:42,512 You know, I use it with the podcast to, to like create a, a summary of the podcast. 493 00:25:43,082 --> 00:25:47,522 Just read the podcast transcription and create a summary and it'll like. 494 00:25:47,727 --> 00:25:48,177 Boop. 495 00:25:48,447 --> 00:25:48,867 Right. 496 00:25:49,137 --> 00:25:50,817 Uh, that's what it's really great at. 497 00:25:50,967 --> 00:25:53,007 So let's take that query. 498 00:25:53,252 --> 00:25:53,612 Mm-hmm. 499 00:25:53,967 --> 00:25:55,617 the previous query that I was talking about. 500 00:25:55,617 --> 00:26:01,077 Instead of saying, just show me all of the um, uh, you know, the weather reports. 501 00:26:01,827 --> 00:26:06,267 You can literally say, you know, again, the back, you're connected to my backups. 502 00:26:06,297 --> 00:26:08,187 You're looking at the content of all of my files. 503 00:26:08,607 --> 00:26:10,827 What can you tell me about weather? 504 00:26:11,882 --> 00:26:15,992 That, you know, in 2024, based on the information you can find 505 00:26:15,992 --> 00:26:18,032 in my backups, I was like, boop. 506 00:26:18,152 --> 00:26:19,982 And then they create a summary. 507 00:26:20,342 --> 00:26:22,742 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 508 00:26:22,742 --> 00:26:28,952 And I was like, oh, like how many times, how many years have we talked about this? 509 00:26:29,402 --> 00:26:35,972 The idea of leveraging your existing backup data for this kind of concept? 510 00:26:36,362 --> 00:26:37,772 so here's my question though. 511 00:26:38,162 --> 00:26:38,432 Yeah. 512 00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:42,632 Do you think that they need to fine tune it more for the backup case? 513 00:26:42,842 --> 00:26:45,392 Because as an example, say you said. 514 00:26:46,367 --> 00:26:50,567 Tell me about my weather in 2024, and it provides you that summary. 515 00:26:50,927 --> 00:26:54,197 It's probably gonna give you a summary based on the content, right? 516 00:26:54,977 --> 00:26:58,817 97% of the time it was sunny in San Diego, right? 517 00:26:58,817 --> 00:27:01,217 With temperatures between 60 and 72, 518 00:27:01,772 --> 00:27:02,177 Yeah, yeah. 519 00:27:02,237 --> 00:27:02,537 Yeah. 520 00:27:02,807 --> 00:27:03,917 Versus. 521 00:27:04,667 --> 00:27:08,237 Maybe as a backup case or a security case, or an e-discovery case, 522 00:27:08,237 --> 00:27:13,307 you're like, how often did this report get published or how often? 523 00:27:13,307 --> 00:27:18,017 Like basically something from either like the file creation perspective or 524 00:27:18,302 --> 00:27:19,742 It would be able to do all that. 525 00:27:19,832 --> 00:27:20,282 Right. 526 00:27:20,342 --> 00:27:25,922 Uh, basically the, the point is that it's connecting the, the LLM, right? 527 00:27:25,972 --> 00:27:32,512 The anthropic MCP to your, all of your backup data, and then you're able to 528 00:27:32,512 --> 00:27:38,632 then do all of the things that you think of Claude doing, uh, but using 529 00:27:38,632 --> 00:27:40,792 your backup data as the source, right? 530 00:27:40,792 --> 00:27:41,243 So you can 531 00:27:42,457 --> 00:27:43,027 They, they, 532 00:27:43,222 --> 00:27:45,317 it pulled up a window that looked just like Claude. 533 00:27:46,452 --> 00:27:46,672 It. 534 00:27:46,747 --> 00:27:48,067 And you type things, right? 535 00:27:48,067 --> 00:27:51,457 So if you, if you wanted to say, how many times did I publish a report? 536 00:27:51,577 --> 00:27:55,627 How many times did I, did I use the word sunny in my report on, you know, 537 00:27:55,887 --> 00:27:56,137 Yeah, 538 00:27:56,257 --> 00:28:00,097 all of those things, uh, would be available and it was just, yeah, 539 00:28:00,487 --> 00:28:01,657 I'm gonna play the, what was it? 540 00:28:01,657 --> 00:28:04,507 A person hates technology. 541 00:28:04,597 --> 00:28:05,617 What's that person called? 542 00:28:05,857 --> 00:28:06,457 the Luddite 543 00:28:06,787 --> 00:28:07,297 Thank you. 544 00:28:07,477 --> 00:28:08,587 I'm gonna play the Luddite 545 00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:09,487 Okay. 546 00:28:09,847 --> 00:28:10,267 right. 547 00:28:11,077 --> 00:28:12,457 all sounds awesome, Curtis. 548 00:28:12,817 --> 00:28:13,267 Yeah. 549 00:28:13,867 --> 00:28:18,577 as a backup slash security person, we always talk about backups being your, 550 00:28:19,417 --> 00:28:21,817 uh, your source of last resort, right? 551 00:28:21,817 --> 00:28:24,007 That is like your last line of defense. 552 00:28:24,352 --> 00:28:24,572 Yep. 553 00:28:24,727 --> 00:28:32,197 And so you are now providing access, which how knows how the access is done 554 00:28:32,512 --> 00:28:32,732 Yep. 555 00:28:32,917 --> 00:28:34,807 to this vast trove of data. 556 00:28:35,917 --> 00:28:41,557 Which, depending on how secure or insecure someone configures it may make 557 00:28:41,557 --> 00:28:46,057 it easier for people to exfiltrate data, understand everything that's going on. 558 00:28:46,357 --> 00:28:50,587 How do you ensure that I don't get to see Curtis's weather reports or 559 00:28:50,587 --> 00:28:52,747 what he has been talking to about me? 560 00:28:52,852 --> 00:28:53,152 Yep. 561 00:28:53,632 --> 00:28:53,962 Yep. 562 00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:54,937 And 563 00:28:55,162 --> 00:28:55,222 I. 564 00:28:55,237 --> 00:28:58,417 I think all these things now need to be thought through. 565 00:28:58,417 --> 00:28:59,107 So. 566 00:29:00,697 --> 00:29:04,507 So I had that exact conversation with Rick Vanover. 567 00:29:04,987 --> 00:29:05,437 Right. 568 00:29:05,887 --> 00:29:08,227 And I thought his answer was great. 569 00:29:08,527 --> 00:29:08,857 Right? 570 00:29:08,977 --> 00:29:12,937 First off, he's like, this is just development and testing right now. 571 00:29:12,967 --> 00:29:16,237 There's no customer's data is being openly think, right? 572 00:29:16,267 --> 00:29:17,287 He also said. 573 00:29:17,977 --> 00:29:25,687 It is definitely the design is you are not handing your data over to Claude or to 574 00:29:25,687 --> 00:29:29,107 Anthropic for training on anybody else's. 575 00:29:29,197 --> 00:29:31,087 That's like number one. 576 00:29:31,387 --> 00:29:36,727 And they understand, he understood that they need basically the AI 577 00:29:36,727 --> 00:29:38,647 equivalent of a privacy statement. 578 00:29:38,837 --> 00:29:39,097 Yep. 579 00:29:39,337 --> 00:29:40,747 Here are the data flows. 580 00:29:40,807 --> 00:29:42,997 Um, you know, here's, here's where your data goes. 581 00:29:42,997 --> 00:29:44,587 Here's where your data doesn't go. 582 00:29:45,082 --> 00:29:51,082 Um, here are the things, you know, I would, I'm gonna assume, um, but you 583 00:29:51,082 --> 00:29:53,482 know, you can never assume and you gotta double check and all this stuff. 584 00:29:53,782 --> 00:29:58,762 I would assume that, basically that you don't need to do anything additional to 585 00:29:58,762 --> 00:30:02,722 protect this, that you just need to make sure that you're securing your Veeam 586 00:30:02,722 --> 00:30:05,752 environment in the same way that you're supposed to, that you're supposed to be 587 00:30:05,752 --> 00:30:07,402 securing the rest of your vem environment. 588 00:30:07,552 --> 00:30:07,732 Yeah. 589 00:30:07,912 --> 00:30:08,662 Does that make sense? 590 00:30:08,902 --> 00:30:09,592 it does. 591 00:30:09,592 --> 00:30:12,562 But then it's also the question of like, eventually people are gonna want 592 00:30:12,562 --> 00:30:20,377 self-service, And so I. How do you ensure that access controls are honored? 593 00:30:20,617 --> 00:30:21,577 As an example? 594 00:30:21,847 --> 00:30:22,237 Yeah. 595 00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:24,007 I mean, you gotta do all that, right? 596 00:30:24,097 --> 00:30:24,907 Um, but 597 00:30:25,417 --> 00:30:26,167 It's, it's still cool. 598 00:30:26,167 --> 00:30:26,587 Don't take, 599 00:30:26,887 --> 00:30:27,127 yeah. 600 00:30:27,217 --> 00:30:27,667 Yeah. 601 00:30:27,817 --> 00:30:27,967 way. 602 00:30:27,967 --> 00:30:28,147 Right. 603 00:30:28,147 --> 00:30:28,537 I think it's 604 00:30:28,657 --> 00:30:29,047 Yeah. 605 00:30:29,497 --> 00:30:32,437 because they're able to expose it, but I think now it's like, okay, 606 00:30:32,617 --> 00:30:36,307 how do you build all those other controls that are needed in order 607 00:30:36,307 --> 00:30:37,387 to make sure it's being done in the 608 00:30:37,402 --> 00:30:37,702 Yeah. 609 00:30:38,002 --> 00:30:40,972 And they've gotta do that and they've gotta publish what those controls 610 00:30:40,972 --> 00:30:42,472 are and you know, all of that stuff. 611 00:30:42,472 --> 00:30:42,682 Yeah. 612 00:30:42,712 --> 00:30:45,352 So, and then the good news was they already know that and 613 00:30:45,352 --> 00:30:46,342 they're gonna do all that stuff. 614 00:30:46,462 --> 00:30:50,662 So, um, but now let's talk about what I thought 615 00:30:51,112 --> 00:30:51,292 And 616 00:30:51,352 --> 00:30:51,797 it's funny. 617 00:30:51,802 --> 00:30:52,432 of the episode. 618 00:30:52,432 --> 00:30:54,022 Thank you all for listening. 619 00:30:54,262 --> 00:30:55,792 We will talk to you later. 620 00:30:56,242 --> 00:30:57,412 That is a wrap. 621 00:30:59,737 --> 00:31:00,247 Are you ready? 622 00:31:00,427 --> 00:31:06,517 So, so it's funny, I with and talked mainly about one particular topic that 623 00:31:06,517 --> 00:31:09,757 they covered in the show that the other. 624 00:31:10,177 --> 00:31:13,387 Articles that I read didn't even cover at all. 625 00:31:13,447 --> 00:31:15,547 They didn't even mention it, let alone like mention it. 626 00:31:15,997 --> 00:31:19,327 My main thing was this topic and we're gonna finish with it here. 627 00:31:20,497 --> 00:31:24,307 And that was the Veeam finally did something that so many of us 628 00:31:24,307 --> 00:31:25,807 have asked, have been asking for. 629 00:31:25,807 --> 00:31:30,337 And, and, and I also, you know, heard, um, you know, from Anton Gustav, 630 00:31:30,397 --> 00:31:34,117 uh, I'm, I'm totally mispronouncing, I'm sure his last name, Gustav. 631 00:31:34,657 --> 00:31:35,137 Um. 632 00:31:35,687 --> 00:31:37,727 That he, this is something he's been wanting. 633 00:31:37,727 --> 00:31:38,027 Right? 634 00:31:38,027 --> 00:31:43,127 And so back before I was at Druva, I remember meeting with Veeam and I 635 00:31:43,127 --> 00:31:47,207 said that, you know, the ransomware thing is only getting worse, 636 00:31:47,207 --> 00:31:48,917 and this is almost 10 years ago. 637 00:31:49,067 --> 00:31:51,047 The ransomware is only gonna get worse. 638 00:31:51,467 --> 00:31:56,987 And that I was very concerned about the fact that they were 100% based on windows 639 00:31:57,377 --> 00:31:58,817 and that that was their Achilles heel. 640 00:31:59,352 --> 00:32:04,122 And that they really needed to, um, have a Linux version of the product, 641 00:32:04,842 --> 00:32:08,862 and many of us weren't really sure that that ever was, that that was ever going 642 00:32:08,862 --> 00:32:13,572 to happen, uh, due to their relationship with Windows or with Microsoft. 643 00:32:13,717 --> 00:32:13,987 Yeah. 644 00:32:13,987 --> 00:32:16,277 And, but in their, uh. 645 00:32:18,037 --> 00:32:19,147 And to their credit, 646 00:32:19,482 --> 00:32:19,782 Yeah. 647 00:32:20,077 --> 00:32:22,777 they have been working towards some of that, right? 648 00:32:22,777 --> 00:32:23,407 So like they have 649 00:32:23,532 --> 00:32:23,832 Yes. 650 00:32:24,582 --> 00:32:25,122 Yep. 651 00:32:25,207 --> 00:32:25,567 run. 652 00:32:25,567 --> 00:32:28,267 They had, I know if you've listened to some of our past podcasts 653 00:32:28,267 --> 00:32:32,707 where we had Dave and also Rick on, right, they did also launch 654 00:32:32,707 --> 00:32:34,807 their Linux hardened repository, 655 00:32:34,972 --> 00:32:35,332 Right, 656 00:32:35,467 --> 00:32:37,777 So you could already start to see them, but 657 00:32:38,002 --> 00:32:38,482 Yes. 658 00:32:39,007 --> 00:32:40,027 everything. 659 00:32:40,027 --> 00:32:40,357 Right. 660 00:32:40,357 --> 00:32:40,567 And 661 00:32:40,567 --> 00:32:43,327 It wasn't the main backup server, right? 662 00:32:43,327 --> 00:32:46,477 You had the, the, the, the, the hardened repository was Right. 663 00:32:47,077 --> 00:32:48,607 Uh, a separate, you know, separate. 664 00:32:48,607 --> 00:32:50,257 But it's a target to backup to. 665 00:32:50,257 --> 00:32:50,617 Right. 666 00:32:50,827 --> 00:32:54,847 But not the main, but you know, because basically it's like, it needed, you needed 667 00:32:55,597 --> 00:33:00,997 pieces that just simply weren't available in, in, uh, windows, I'm sorry, in Linux. 668 00:33:01,237 --> 00:33:03,757 And they did actually announce that. 669 00:33:04,117 --> 00:33:08,527 They were going to do this at last VM o they did announce that this was 670 00:33:08,527 --> 00:33:12,787 coming and um, it's now a reality. 671 00:33:12,787 --> 00:33:16,117 But that wasn't actually the, the full announcement. 672 00:33:16,747 --> 00:33:20,647 What they heard from their customers was, we like this idea from a 673 00:33:20,647 --> 00:33:24,352 security standpoint of not having the backup server run the same operating 674 00:33:24,352 --> 00:33:25,807 system that everybody is attacking. 675 00:33:26,527 --> 00:33:28,927 Uh, but we also don't know Linux. 676 00:33:29,597 --> 00:33:29,887 Yeah. 677 00:33:29,962 --> 00:33:33,892 you don't know Linux, adding Linux into your environment is actually a bad idea. 678 00:33:33,892 --> 00:33:37,162 As much as I like, uh, Linux and Unix, if you don't know how to 679 00:33:37,162 --> 00:33:39,382 properly secure it, it's a bad idea. 680 00:33:39,772 --> 00:33:47,032 And so this is the big announcement is that they have a, a software appliance. 681 00:33:47,482 --> 00:33:49,072 Now, what is a software appliance? 682 00:33:49,122 --> 00:33:54,522 It's a either a, a, you know, a VM image or an ISO that you can load onto a 683 00:33:54,522 --> 00:34:00,972 physical piece of hardware that basically comes up as a fully functional, um, uh. 684 00:34:01,977 --> 00:34:07,977 Backup server and they are using the concept of, or the, the paradigm 685 00:34:08,007 --> 00:34:13,047 of just enough operating system, JEOS, which you can Google that 686 00:34:13,077 --> 00:34:14,877 and, uh, realize what that is. 687 00:34:14,877 --> 00:34:20,337 And basically it's you, they disable or remove everything about the 688 00:34:20,337 --> 00:34:27,087 operating system that is not necessary to do the job and the, um, the 689 00:34:27,462 --> 00:34:27,942 Reduce the 690 00:34:27,957 --> 00:34:28,707 you have to do. 691 00:34:28,977 --> 00:34:29,487 What's that? 692 00:34:29,772 --> 00:34:30,972 Reduce the attack vectors, 693 00:34:31,197 --> 00:34:32,097 Reduce the attack. 694 00:34:32,097 --> 00:34:32,337 Yeah. 695 00:34:32,367 --> 00:34:33,387 The attack surface. 696 00:34:33,387 --> 00:34:39,237 And, and, and, and also what they did is they con everything that 697 00:34:39,267 --> 00:34:44,277 did stay, they configure it in the most secure way possible and 698 00:34:44,277 --> 00:34:45,987 they pre-configure it for you. 699 00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:51,387 One of the things, for example, that is required and you literally cannot not 700 00:34:51,387 --> 00:34:53,607 do it, is automatic security updates. 701 00:34:53,757 --> 00:34:54,087 Hmm. 702 00:34:55,167 --> 00:34:55,527 Right. 703 00:34:56,292 --> 00:34:59,652 You can do automatic, you can also do automatic feature updates, 704 00:34:59,652 --> 00:35:05,202 but they separate between those two and, um, that is huge. 705 00:35:05,412 --> 00:35:06,012 Right. 706 00:35:06,132 --> 00:35:14,112 Um, so, and, and, and, and they drew a, they drew a, um, an analogy between, 707 00:35:14,472 --> 00:35:18,792 uh, they talked about an Android phone, an Android phone runs Linux, 708 00:35:19,122 --> 00:35:20,802 and they said, you don't need to. 709 00:35:21,297 --> 00:35:25,947 Know Linux to run this appliance any more than you need to know 710 00:35:25,947 --> 00:35:27,357 Linux to run your Android phone. 711 00:35:27,537 --> 00:35:27,927 yep. 712 00:35:28,707 --> 00:35:28,857 You 713 00:35:28,947 --> 00:35:29,217 Yeah. 714 00:35:29,277 --> 00:35:30,057 the complexities. 715 00:35:30,057 --> 00:35:33,567 It's like user doesn't care about that, and you do a great job of 716 00:35:33,567 --> 00:35:38,727 securing it versus letting the admins decide what they should or 717 00:35:38,727 --> 00:35:40,352 should not do and end up with issues. 718 00:35:41,172 --> 00:35:45,222 Yeah, and, and, and they demoed this, it was hard to see sometimes what was 719 00:35:45,222 --> 00:35:49,902 version 13 and what was this appliance, but they demoed version 13 and the 720 00:35:49,902 --> 00:35:51,222 appliance like at the same time. 721 00:35:51,792 --> 00:35:54,797 And so one of the things, for example, was that they, they have. 722 00:35:55,477 --> 00:36:00,727 Greatly increase the granularity of, uh, role-based administration controls. 723 00:36:01,267 --> 00:36:05,317 And so you could, for example, you can say this person is only allowed to do 724 00:36:05,317 --> 00:36:09,097 restores, but they're only allowed to do restores back to the original location 725 00:36:09,207 --> 00:36:09,597 Hmm. 726 00:36:09,697 --> 00:36:13,477 or for an additional level of risk, but functionality. 727 00:36:13,637 --> 00:36:16,817 They can restore to these predefined locations. 728 00:36:16,817 --> 00:36:19,887 So you can, you can, they're allowed to restore to something else, 729 00:36:20,037 --> 00:36:21,597 but only something else that I, 730 00:36:22,027 --> 00:36:22,177 I've 731 00:36:22,317 --> 00:36:24,567 um, have, have defined and ordained. 732 00:36:24,897 --> 00:36:25,257 Right. 733 00:36:25,467 --> 00:36:29,757 And then, um, what I really liked was no one gets root. 734 00:36:29,932 --> 00:36:30,472 Mm. 735 00:36:30,697 --> 00:36:31,117 Right. 736 00:36:31,177 --> 00:36:32,317 No one gets root. 737 00:36:32,317 --> 00:36:35,767 That's because, you know, if you have root you, you can do just about anything. 738 00:36:35,767 --> 00:36:36,097 Right? 739 00:36:36,307 --> 00:36:41,017 And so, um, I really liked the idea that, uh, they did that. 740 00:36:41,022 --> 00:36:44,977 And, and I said, and so I, I, I pulled, I actually met the actual 741 00:36:44,977 --> 00:36:48,097 person who, you know, he's like, this, this was my baby, right? 742 00:36:48,097 --> 00:36:51,117 I talked to him and I said, I was like, dude, it's Linux. 743 00:36:51,147 --> 00:36:52,737 Someone has root, right? 744 00:36:52,737 --> 00:36:53,007 Root. 745 00:36:53,007 --> 00:36:55,737 Root exists like, like UID zero. 746 00:36:55,767 --> 00:37:00,627 So are you saying like Veeam admin, it's not root, but it's UID zero that's root. 747 00:37:00,687 --> 00:37:01,437 He's like, no, no, no, no. 748 00:37:01,467 --> 00:37:02,307 That's not what we're talking about. 749 00:37:02,427 --> 00:37:04,527 He's like, literally, you don't get the password 750 00:37:04,667 --> 00:37:04,957 Yeah. 751 00:37:05,097 --> 00:37:06,567 Root obviously does exist. 752 00:37:07,132 --> 00:37:10,822 They have a, again, they don't want you to ever have to touch Linux. 753 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:14,962 So what they do is, but if you do really, really need to touch Linux, 754 00:37:15,142 --> 00:37:18,982 they have a facility to do that, but they have a completely separate 755 00:37:18,982 --> 00:37:24,622 security, uh, person who has to approve you having root for a period of time. 756 00:37:24,922 --> 00:37:25,732 And I didn't. 757 00:37:26,352 --> 00:37:27,072 situation. 758 00:37:27,172 --> 00:37:29,212 like a, yeah, it's like a break class situation. 759 00:37:29,482 --> 00:37:31,252 And, um, and I do. 760 00:37:31,737 --> 00:37:34,887 Um, 'cause like one of the things that you can do if you have root is you 761 00:37:34,887 --> 00:37:38,277 can turn off the IMMU immutability feature that they're using, right? 762 00:37:38,277 --> 00:37:39,747 So you wouldn't want that to be available. 763 00:37:40,227 --> 00:37:44,817 I'm going to assume that that is then in a, like, sudo environment, which then 764 00:37:44,817 --> 00:37:48,807 would be completely logged and everything that you do is logged and, um, and so 765 00:37:49,077 --> 00:37:53,967 they, um, but it, they're designing it so that you wouldn't ever have to do that. 766 00:37:54,222 --> 00:37:54,432 Yeah. 767 00:37:54,477 --> 00:37:54,867 Right. 768 00:37:55,317 --> 00:38:00,627 Um, and, and this is like, it's in beta now. 769 00:38:01,017 --> 00:38:03,027 And, uh, so it, you know, it is real. 770 00:38:03,027 --> 00:38:06,267 And they're, they're controlling the beta via their sales process 771 00:38:06,267 --> 00:38:09,357 because they want, they, you know, they want, they want feedback, right? 772 00:38:09,432 --> 00:38:09,792 that makes 773 00:38:09,897 --> 00:38:14,877 And I verified that this was a fully functioning full, you know, all, 774 00:38:15,507 --> 00:38:20,217 everything that Veeam is with caveats, they're like, well, there are certain. 775 00:38:20,712 --> 00:38:23,592 Things that you cannot do in Linux. 776 00:38:23,592 --> 00:38:25,932 One of them talked about was like, I, I believe one of 777 00:38:25,932 --> 00:38:27,522 them was like a live restore 778 00:38:27,522 --> 00:38:27,852 Hmm. 779 00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:30,552 to, um, a a, a Windows environment. 780 00:38:30,552 --> 00:38:36,042 Like you need, there's, uh, components that you need, um, to do that. 781 00:38:36,222 --> 00:38:38,022 By the way, speaking of components. 782 00:38:39,027 --> 00:38:42,777 They mentioned that one of the reasons that this was made possible 783 00:38:42,897 --> 00:38:45,587 was the porting of T net to Linux. 784 00:38:45,792 --> 00:38:45,912 I. 785 00:38:45,987 --> 00:38:46,107 Hmm. 786 00:38:46,652 --> 00:38:51,242 That, so this is not actually an entirely new code base. 787 00:38:51,692 --> 00:38:52,742 This is a code base. 788 00:38:52,742 --> 00:38:57,152 I'm sure that they did some changes, but it's essentially the same code as what 789 00:38:57,152 --> 00:39:01,742 they're running on the window side, but that they're then, you know, they tweaked 790 00:39:01,742 --> 00:39:03,602 it a little bit to run in this, uh, 791 00:39:03,782 --> 00:39:04,267 Which is 792 00:39:04,532 --> 00:39:05,042 environment. 793 00:39:05,282 --> 00:39:05,492 Which 794 00:39:05,552 --> 00:39:05,792 Yeah. 795 00:39:05,792 --> 00:39:06,482 Which is great. 796 00:39:06,602 --> 00:39:07,832 the security patches, 797 00:39:08,162 --> 00:39:08,612 Yeah. 798 00:39:08,852 --> 00:39:09,152 Yeah. 799 00:39:09,632 --> 00:39:12,422 and rather than something that's like, ah, is it really gonna get 800 00:39:12,422 --> 00:39:14,222 the same love and attention as 801 00:39:14,372 --> 00:39:14,582 Yeah. 802 00:39:14,702 --> 00:39:15,482 core area? 803 00:39:16,502 --> 00:39:18,062 Yeah, I, I think it's great. 804 00:39:18,242 --> 00:39:22,322 So I was super excited by this, uh, by this functionality and, 805 00:39:22,382 --> 00:39:24,812 um, uh, got to see it demoed. 806 00:39:24,842 --> 00:39:28,532 Uh, and that was, and it was interesting when Anton came out on 807 00:39:28,532 --> 00:39:32,612 the stage to introduce it, he started out saying, I'm about to talk about 808 00:39:32,612 --> 00:39:34,622 something that I'm so excited about. 809 00:39:34,772 --> 00:39:35,942 I might get emotional. 810 00:39:36,507 --> 00:39:39,417 He goes, I've been trying to do this for many years and 811 00:39:39,417 --> 00:39:41,007 he's now able to finally do it. 812 00:39:41,367 --> 00:39:43,887 I, I literally, I just think this is huge. 813 00:39:44,067 --> 00:39:48,747 And I think, uh, you know, like we talked about, uh, before we had, 814 00:39:48,837 --> 00:39:54,752 um, I. We had Blockie for Veeam on here, and I said, every Veeam 815 00:39:54,752 --> 00:39:56,612 customer should put this on their box. 816 00:39:56,612 --> 00:39:56,792 Right. 817 00:39:56,792 --> 00:39:57,842 That I, you know, 818 00:39:58,092 --> 00:39:58,442 Yeah. 819 00:39:58,682 --> 00:40:04,292 Blocky's not telling me to say that, but, um, every Windows based Veeam 820 00:40:04,292 --> 00:40:06,182 customer needs blockie for Veeam. 821 00:40:06,662 --> 00:40:09,152 Um, I mean, anyway. 822 00:40:09,212 --> 00:40:09,692 Okay. 823 00:40:09,692 --> 00:40:14,162 It just, it stops all rights to the file system that aren't done by Veeam. 824 00:40:14,227 --> 00:40:14,517 Yeah, 825 00:40:14,802 --> 00:40:15,882 Like, how awesome is that? 826 00:40:15,882 --> 00:40:16,152 Right? 827 00:40:16,152 --> 00:40:18,102 And it's the only product that's like that. 828 00:40:18,102 --> 00:40:21,702 It's the only product, the only ransomware preventing product that you 829 00:40:21,702 --> 00:40:23,502 can install on the Veeam backup server. 830 00:40:23,567 --> 00:40:23,857 yeah. 831 00:40:24,222 --> 00:40:30,942 And um, I'm now saying if you really want to do security right, do 832 00:40:30,942 --> 00:40:36,162 this as soon as this is available, replace all of your, uh, as much 833 00:40:36,162 --> 00:40:39,912 as you can of your, of your Veeam infrastructure with this new appliance. 834 00:40:40,367 --> 00:40:43,997 Do you know if they mentioned anything about a migration path 835 00:40:43,997 --> 00:40:48,827 for those customers that may today be using the Windows based Veeam 836 00:40:48,887 --> 00:40:49,397 Yeah. 837 00:40:50,087 --> 00:40:53,327 moving over to Linux based software appliance? 838 00:40:54,062 --> 00:40:55,022 That's a great question. 839 00:40:55,082 --> 00:40:56,522 I did not ask that question. 840 00:40:56,612 --> 00:40:58,982 Um, where, where, where were you? 841 00:40:59,132 --> 00:41:00,152 Well, I will say this. 842 00:41:00,332 --> 00:41:02,582 I, I made the same statement to them. 843 00:41:02,642 --> 00:41:07,292 I, I, I, you know, I, I was talking with, uh, with Dave Russell and I, 844 00:41:07,292 --> 00:41:11,192 I, I was just with him and I, and I spoke privately also to Anton about 845 00:41:11,192 --> 00:41:13,637 I. Dude, I'm super excited about this. 846 00:41:13,757 --> 00:41:14,597 This is so awesome. 847 00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:15,347 I'm so excited. 848 00:41:15,497 --> 00:41:19,097 Like, it was funny, like even to them, they, this wasn't like, this wasn't 849 00:41:19,097 --> 00:41:20,447 what they were leading with to me. 850 00:41:20,447 --> 00:41:21,797 I was like, it was the only thing I was care. 851 00:41:21,947 --> 00:41:24,077 I wanna talk about this and I'm super excited about it. 852 00:41:24,377 --> 00:41:27,587 And, and, and I made that comment about like, I think every they, I. 853 00:41:28,282 --> 00:41:33,172 They, they seem to think that where will, where it will primarily take off 854 00:41:33,172 --> 00:41:38,182 is in the new customer acquisition and the MSPs and, you know, these, these 855 00:41:38,182 --> 00:41:42,172 kind of things because people, vendors will be able to package it right. 856 00:41:42,502 --> 00:41:44,932 Um, and sell it as an actual appliance. 857 00:41:45,352 --> 00:41:49,072 And, um, so they, um. 858 00:41:50,372 --> 00:41:54,272 Uh, but when I said, I think every Veeam customer should make this 859 00:41:54,272 --> 00:41:56,042 thing, they didn't say, oh, wait. 860 00:41:56,102 --> 00:41:58,382 Oh, we we're not ready to do that, or anything like that. 861 00:41:58,382 --> 00:41:59,972 So I'm assuming they have a plan. 862 00:42:00,152 --> 00:42:01,562 I just forgot to ask 'em about it. 863 00:42:01,652 --> 00:42:01,892 Yeah. 864 00:42:02,737 --> 00:42:03,317 this is awesome. 865 00:42:04,442 --> 00:42:06,797 I think it's gonna make a huge difference and hopefully we'll. 866 00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:15,907 Stop hearing so much about ransomware, uh, gangs attacking Backup servers as 867 00:42:15,992 --> 00:42:16,322 Yeah. 868 00:42:16,592 --> 00:42:16,952 Yeah. 869 00:42:17,462 --> 00:42:19,047 So I know you mentioned Curtis. 870 00:42:20,082 --> 00:42:22,722 The vendor other partners can now integrate. 871 00:42:22,862 --> 00:42:23,282 Mm-hmm. 872 00:42:23,712 --> 00:42:28,752 that came out was, uh, they had, uh, scalie made an announcement that they've 873 00:42:28,752 --> 00:42:33,222 now shipping an appliance to hardware appliance where they can take their 874 00:42:33,222 --> 00:42:38,292 scalability object storage, plus add in the Veeam backup server and package 875 00:42:38,292 --> 00:42:42,222 it all into one box for customers who want something simple and ease of use. 876 00:42:42,807 --> 00:42:43,227 Yeah. 877 00:42:43,287 --> 00:42:45,957 And so that leverages this appliance, right? 878 00:42:45,957 --> 00:42:46,947 The software appliance. 879 00:42:48,237 --> 00:42:49,977 And, uh, I, I think that's great, right? 880 00:42:49,977 --> 00:42:52,167 Because, you know, as, as you know, I'm a big fan of, of 881 00:42:52,197 --> 00:42:53,847 object-based storage for backups. 882 00:42:53,862 --> 00:42:54,102 Yeah. 883 00:42:54,147 --> 00:42:55,432 Um, I like this idea. 884 00:42:55,612 --> 00:42:55,952 Go ahead. 885 00:42:56,142 --> 00:42:59,652 yeah, and it is interesting because I think it gives them something 886 00:42:59,652 --> 00:43:02,977 to compete with the Cohesity and the rubrics of the world. 887 00:43:03,897 --> 00:43:05,067 I think it very much does. 888 00:43:05,157 --> 00:43:06,207 Yeah, exactly. 889 00:43:06,417 --> 00:43:10,677 Es especially, um, especially, well scalability would be the 890 00:43:10,677 --> 00:43:12,897 one, I guess, directly competing at that point, but yeah. 891 00:43:13,072 --> 00:43:14,457 Scalability and Veeam together, right? 892 00:43:14,697 --> 00:43:14,877 Yeah. 893 00:43:15,597 --> 00:43:19,377 And, and th this is, I'm sure this is one I I know they, they hinted at some 894 00:43:19,377 --> 00:43:20,697 other vendors that would be coming out. 895 00:43:20,907 --> 00:43:25,077 I'm sure that this is one of many vendors that are gonna, that are gonna do that. 896 00:43:25,347 --> 00:43:25,587 Yep. 897 00:43:26,307 --> 00:43:29,967 Yeah, so it was a pretty big show. 898 00:43:30,327 --> 00:43:35,667 Um, and um, it was so hard for me to get there and back. 899 00:43:36,327 --> 00:43:36,627 But 900 00:43:38,667 --> 00:43:39,627 Oh, Curtis. 901 00:43:40,857 --> 00:43:44,727 yeah, it was, uh, it was, it was, it was nice to be able to drive to a trade show. 902 00:43:44,787 --> 00:43:49,377 All right, well thanks for letting me chat about, uh, VeeamOn 2025. 903 00:43:49,692 --> 00:43:53,472 Thank you for giving us that update and for catching stories that may not have 904 00:43:53,472 --> 00:43:56,232 been covered in, uh, the other articles. 905 00:43:56,322 --> 00:43:56,502 So, 906 00:43:56,757 --> 00:43:57,417 Absolutely. 907 00:43:57,687 --> 00:43:59,967 All right, well thank you for our listeners. 908 00:44:00,027 --> 00:44:01,977 Uh, you know, you're, why we do this. 909 00:44:02,187 --> 00:44:03,062 That is a wrap.