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Matt Edmundson: Welcome to this
week's Crowd Church service.

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We are a digital church on a
quest to discover how Jesus helps

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us live a more meaningful life.

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We are a community, a space to explore
the Christian faith, and a place

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we last about an hour, and in a few
seconds we will start with a time

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of worship, after which you will
meet our hosts for our service.

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Who will introduce today's talk.

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After the talk, we head into Conversation
Street, where we look at your stories

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and questions that you've posted in the
comments throughout the live stream.

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I want to invite you to connect with
us here at Crowd Church, and there are

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a few ways that you can do just that.

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Firstly, you can engage with Crowd
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stream, and if you're up for it.

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Why not invite a few friends over
and experience the service together?

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Church is all about connecting with
God and connecting with others, and

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one of the easiest ways for you to
do that is to also join one of our

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midweek groups where we need online
together to catch up and discover

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more about the amazingness of Christ.

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You can also subscribe to
our podcast called What's.

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The Story, where we deep dive into stories
of faith and courage from everyday people.

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church or you can reach us on
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If you're new to crowd or new to the
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what your next steps to take are why
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church forward slash
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And now, the moment you've
been waiting for is here.

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Our online church service starts.

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Right now.

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Good evening and welcome
to Crowd Online Church.

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Great to see you.

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Hello.

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Hello everyone.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Jan's here.

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Jan's in the house.

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So your second week with

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Jan Burch: us.

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It is.

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Thanks for having

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Matt Edmundson: me back.

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You came back.

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After last week you came back.

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You weren't like totally put off.

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Only a little bit.

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Matt Edmundson: harder this week.

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We'll definitely try harder.

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Andy, how you doing?

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Great to see you in the comments.

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If you're watching the live stream,
joining with us, whether on YouTube

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or Facebook do say hi in the comments.

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It'd be great to hear from you.

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So yeah, welcome.

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Welcome to Crowd Online Church.

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Great that you're here.

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How's your week

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Jan Burch: been?

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Yeah, I've had a, an okay week,
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things, all yeah, all right.

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Show was okay?

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Matt Edmundson: Yes.

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Yes, it was.

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No, it was very good, actually.

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It's gone by very quick.

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It felt like we were here yesterday.

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Jan Burch: It's crazy, isn't it?

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Matt Edmundson: know, absolutely.

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You're just like, oh,
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I don't know.

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Andy says hello, Jan, by the way.

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Jan Burch: Hello.

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Hello, Andy.

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Can you read that without your glasses?

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I can see distance, fine, it's closer.

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Matt Edmundson: just close up.

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It's close up.

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So yes, a very warm welcome to
you if you're just joining us.

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This is Crowd Online Church.

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Today we have got the Right Reverend
John Harding talking with us.

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In case you don't know, John is, what do
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John

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Jan Burch: is a Senior
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www.

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org and he's been a member
of the church for many years.

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And he, yeah, leads the whole
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He's a legend, isn't he?

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He is, he's brilliant.

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He's a legend.

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Yeah, great teacher.

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grEat what?

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Matt Edmundson: Teacher.

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Jan Burch: I don't mean school,
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He was a school teacher yeah.

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He teaches.

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Matt Edmundson: He does
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So yeah, we got John
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So he's going to be talking from
the book of Acts, which is a book.

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We have been working our way
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It feels I don't even
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I think chap's 20 somewhere around there.

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We've got five or six more weeks.

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I think in the book of
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I think we go to the end of January.

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We're going to have a
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And then we'll start on our new series.

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Which we're still thinking of the title
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basically about wellbeing and what does
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spiritually, um, economically, all that
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lot of stuff we're going to get into,
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So this sort of whole wellbeing
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So make sure.

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I don't know yet.

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We've not put it out
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So yeah, we've got that coming.

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So make sure you like and
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And then when it comes out,
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If you haven't done so already, by the
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church, or you can find us on
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Where you can connect with us that way
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direct messages on the website at crowd.

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You will find a number,
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reach out to us via WhatsApp.

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You can send us your prayer requests,
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We've been having great conversations
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she's just an absolute legend, Judy.

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If you'd be like Judy, come and enjoy
the conversation with us on Wopsap.

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Wopsap?

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I don't know either.

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I just don't know.

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I don't know.

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Yes, but so we've got John Harding.

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After John Harding

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Jan Burch: Nicola said,
Good morning, Nicola.

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Matt Edmundson: Maybe for some people
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I can put that to the
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mOrning, Lala.

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Look at that, Julie's joined us.

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Hi, Julie.

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Welcome back home.

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Matt Edmundson: hasn't she?

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Matt Edmundson: now.

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Okay, if you're actually welcome,
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Anyway, wherever you are in the
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Great that you're joining us.

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Do say hi in the comments.

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Love to hear from you.

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And yeah, whether you're watching
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other channels like YouTube it's
great that you're joining us.

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So without further ado, we're
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Oh, Julie says amazing.

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Jan Burch: The photos,
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Matt Edmundson: Do you want
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Jan Burch: I don't know fully 100%,
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was there, in India, and they were,
Do you know what I mean, Matt Crew,

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Diocese, Prayer, Conversation Street,
Holcombe, Origin, Origins, Liverpool,

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Frontline Church, Jesus Christ, eCommerce

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Matt Edmundson: Podcast, EP.

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It's very nice that happened.

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So yeah, we got back on track.

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We've got John doing the word.

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from memory, something like that.

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Anyway, after when, however long he's
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and I will be back for Conversation
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through your questions or comments.

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in the feed and we're going to chat
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the talk is what we're going to do.

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Do throw your questions in the comments.

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Be great to hear what you've got to say.

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So I'm going to push this button on my
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John Harding: you soon.

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I want to share some thoughts with
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And I'd really encourage you to
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Maybe even read Acts 20, the chapter
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just to help you really take hold of
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today through the text through his word.

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Let me just overview.

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The chapter really quickly, just to place
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Apostle Paul, he is travelling around on
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into Greece, onto Rome, and as he does
he goes everywhere preaching the Gospel.

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People are becoming Christians.

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He's gathering those new Christian
believers together and starting

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new churches, new communities.

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He's training up new leaders for those
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Acts you see he goes back to those
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encourage and develop the leaders.

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That's Acts, and then he's writing
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and they are called the Epistles, books
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Corinthians, Philippians, that he's
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communities, and the main point that I
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that Christianity, spiritual development,
spiritual growth, is a relational thing.

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It's relational.

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It's something that we do better
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really strongly in Acts 20.

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I'll explain why in just a moment, but
this is one of the things I love about

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what we're doing here with Crowd Church.

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In this modern world, A person could,
if they wanted to, they could try

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and develop and grow spiritually
entirely on their own in isolation.

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You could go online, you could find
loads of sermons and teachings by people

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you don't know, and you could never
interact with other Christians, you

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could get it all beamed into your home.

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But that is not what we're trying to
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What we're trying to do is
find ways of connecting.

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Together, growing together, and my goal is
not that people would listen to this talk.

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My hope is that you'd listen to this
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working out what it means to apply
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tHis chapter, Acts 20, is so relational.

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In the previous chapter, Acts 19, Paul
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and he has basically caused a riot.

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He's escaped for his life.

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And now he's travelling through
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And the first thing I want you to
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the relationships in this chapter
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life, he takes people with him.

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He walks through life with people.

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And there's this list of people in
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people who Paul is investing in as he
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Luke, who's writing everything down
when he says we, he's talking about

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himself and Paul, and those others.

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And so we all need a few people who
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I wonder who you would name in your
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about the relationships in this
chapter is that everywhere Paul

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goes he is encouraging people.

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Verse 1 says he encouraged the disciples.

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Verse 2 says he traveled through
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of encouragement to the people.

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If you want to build good friendships,
good relationships, speak words of

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encouragement and life to people.

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Don't be one of those people
who are always moaning, always

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complaining, because, people don't
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life with people who are like that.

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Speak words of hope, speak words
of encouragement, speak words of

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blessing to those people around you.

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Yes, be open, be honest, but
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more into the relationship.

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So I wonder, if you were to do a little
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to record your speech, what you say to
others, would your speech be characterised

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by encouragement and blessing, or
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So then, through chapter 20, as we
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for a while in a place called Miletus.

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And Paul sends for the leaders of the
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Because he wants to meet them, but he
can't go back to Ephesus safely because...

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He caused a riot the last
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Relational.

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And in Acts 20, we read
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They are incredible words.

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I wish I had time to unpack them with
you, I'd encourage you to read those

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words that Paul speaks to that team of
leaders, he says to them, verse 18, You

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have seen how I lived when I was with you.

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And that is really important, how I lived.

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Because in the Christian faith
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Learn in community, learn in
relationship, I'm not really

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interested in how much someone knows.

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I'm interested in how they live,
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the difference that it makes.

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juSt a thought, but I wonder, what
lessons are people learning from you,

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from the way that you live your life?

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Now, it is clear from
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Paul has a pretty good idea that
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time he speaks to these leaders.

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Verse 38, those leaders realise
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So when we read it, we can read
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That's how, in his mind, he intended
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And so I just want to focus on those
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Paul says to these leaders,
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And all the flock.

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Now, flock is a relational term, isn't it?

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That's why I say in this
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The Christian faith is relational.

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As we enter into a relationship with
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We have a relationship with others.

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We then have to find a flock,
a community, a church, a place

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of refuge that we can belong.

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Watch over yourselves and all the flock.

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In other words, as leaders, we
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That is the first level of leadership.

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That's what I'm looking for when
I'm looking to develop leaders.

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Someone who leads themselves well.

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Those levels of leadership,
leading self, leading others.

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And how many leaders do we see that
can seemingly lead others well?

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They can seemingly lead organisations
into impacts and growth, but

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then later on we discover they
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they hadn't led themselves well.

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Leadership starts with self leadership.

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And Paul then reminds those leaders,
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They don't own the flock.

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The church community, it is Jesus church.

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It is Jesus flock.

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He is the chief shepherd,
the good shepherd.

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As a church leader, I find that
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as leaders, we just steward and
care for what belongs to you.

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By the way, verse 28 also reminds
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This flock is precious because
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There was a cost to
being part of his flock.

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Verse 29, Paul then talks about the
savage wolves who attack the flock.

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Now, this is nothing to be
scared of, there's no fear for us

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because our good shepherd Jesus
guards us and watches over us.

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But it is a warning to us.

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And this is again about
relationship, it's about belonging.

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I as a sheep in God's flock,
I'm prone to get disconnected.

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I'm prone to go about...

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My own way I'm prone to wander.

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It's what sheep do now, that is
the sort of sheep that the wolf,

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the sat, that Satan is looking for.

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Easy pickings, that one sheep that gets
separated and disconnected from the flock.

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So don't let fence, don't let church hurt.

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Don't let pride.

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Don't let unforgiveness, don't let
consumerism and preference, don't

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let it disconnect you from the flock.

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Stay connected in relationship
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Now I'm going to finish in just a moment.

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I'm keeping it short, not least
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chapter is the story of Eutychus.

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Paul preached right through
the night into the morning.

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And in the morning, Utica fell
asleep and he fell off a third

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story window and he died.

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And Paul, very much in the
imitation of Jesus, he imitates

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Jesus, Elijah and Elisha, and
he raised the boy back to life.

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In fact, he uses the very same
words that Jesus had used when

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Jesus had raised Jairus's daughter.

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So actually, if anything, this
passage affirms long sermons.

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As long as those long sermons are
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of the Spirit's power.

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No one cares how long the preacher
preaches for if someone gets

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raised from the dead, do they?

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That all night preaching, it does help me
to land on my last point, and it's this.

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Paul grafted, Paul served the Lord with
all of his energy, Paul worked hard not

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to earn his salvation, not to earn God's
favour, he wasn't striving, he wasn't

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some sort of self serving workaholic, no,
he loved the Lord, and he loved people,

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and he wanted people to be brought into
relationship with Jesus, into relationship

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with others, the church, the flock, Paul's
work, his labour, I would say, reflexed

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out of his relationship with Jesus.

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It reflexed out of God's grace that was
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If I'm honest, one of my concerns
about modern Western Christianity is

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that we give the impression that...

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We should put our effort and our
energy into ourselves, into self

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development, spiritual formation.

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It's a bit of a pendulum swing
from previous generations and

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now we've discovered Sabbath.

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I'm just resting in the Lord.

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I'm just Sabbathing, a
permanent Sabbath rest.

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Don't ask anything of me.

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But actually what we see in the earliest
church in Acts is that the joy, the

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energy, the transformation personally.

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came as those first believers sought
to seek first the kingdom of God.

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As they built the kingdom, as
they extended the kingdom, as they

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sowed into and invested into the
lives of others, that's where the

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joint transformation was found.

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And this is the dynamic that we see
here in chapter 20, and in Paul's

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final words to them, verse 35.

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And Paul says to them, he says, It says
everything that I did, all the hard

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work, all the serving of the week, it
was all done in response to Jesus words.

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That it is more blessed
to give than to receive.

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It's more blessed to give than to receive.

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There is a greater joy, a greater
happiness, a greater satisfaction,

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a greater transformation that comes
through the giving of ourselves.

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In loving service of King Jesus.

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Now usually when you preach a message
like that I've found people like to

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qualify it and balance it out and say,
Ah yes, that's right John, but you

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need healthy boundaries, don't get
burnt out, which is absolutely true.

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It's correct.

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And as we read earlier, shepherds...

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Take care of yourself
first and then the flock.

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But I want my final points here
to be this that Paul calls us

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into observation and imitation.

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It's about observation and
imitation of a way of life.

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Who are you observing?

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When I observe the lives of the
healthiest, happiest, most fulfilled

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people I know, I see people...

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Really, who are truly living out those
words of Jesus, they have discovered

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that it is more blessed to give
Than to receive people who serve.

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So Acts 20, relationships.

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Who are you speaking
words of encouragement to?

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Who are you journeying through life with?

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Who are you caring for
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Amen.

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Matt Edmundson: So welcome back.

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John was pretty good.

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. I enjoyed that talk.

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Have you got lots of notes?

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I saw you doing this with your
glasses, so I'm just like,

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Jan Burch: I'm going to read them now.

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Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

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I've just got to get my
head around the notes.

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Thank you, Mr.

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Harding.

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That was fantastic.

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It was.

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Really encouraging.

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Very challenging.

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And yeah, before we get into that, let
me just catch up with the comments here.

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So we have got Anna Kettle
saying, lovely to see you.

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Thank you, Anna.

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And as a legend, she's one
of the hosts on the show.

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Yeah.

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It's not a show, is it?

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It's a church service, I don't know.

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Yeah, Friday night live.

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I do podcasts, other podcasts,
hence the reason I keep calling,

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sometimes I call this one a show.

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Actually, sometimes I call the other
podcast online church services,

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which is completely not true at all.

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So it's, maybe it's an age thing,
I'm just getting a bit mixed up.

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Yeah, I think so.

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We've got Miriam in the comments,
who's watching from Scarborough.

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Scarborough.

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Scarborough, she's on
holiday in Scarborough.

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Actually, I went to Scarborough
when I was a kid yeah, as a holiday.

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I've really good memories of it as well.

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And yeah, so much so I've
not wanted to go since.

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Just because I don't want to destroy
the memory, if that makes sense.

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Scarborough Fair.

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Scarborough Fair.

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Yeah, Nicola's put in the comments,
I love being in the crowd flock.

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John obviously used the word flock a lot.

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We're going to get into that.

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But Nicholas put that I'd have
been part of the crowd flock

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and I just replied, actually, I
think that's maybe the new name.

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We'll change it from Crowd
Church to Crowd Flock.

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Yeah.

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crowdflock.

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com No, we're not going to, not at all.

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So got Isaac in the comments.

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Hello, Pastor.

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Greetings to you.

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Please pray for my orphanage
home for food and water.

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I think Isaac's from Africa, actually.

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So Isaac, good to see you.

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And God's blessing on your orphanage.

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It's going on there.

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Andy liked the bit about investing in
relationships, otherwise relationships

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might not be mutually balanced.

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Very good.

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So we're going to get into all of this.

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Keep your comments coming and any
questions that you've got based on

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John's any questions, full stop, really.

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We'll try and answer them, unless it's
what are the latest lottery numbers, in

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which case it'll be a complete guess.

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But yeah, keep your questions,
keep your comments coming as

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we're going to get into it.

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Because there was a lot there.

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Yeah, there was.

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What's in your notes?

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What's top of your notes?

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Jan Burch: What have I put in,
just about how Christianity is

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first and foremost, relational.

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Yes.

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It's not just an intellectual faith.

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Matt Edmundson: No, it's not
a solo sport either, is it?

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No, it's about people.

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Yeah, it is totally about people.

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And that's important because I
think quite often society at the

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moment is super isolated, isn't it?

484
00:25:12,629 --> 00:25:15,109
Super, super, I don't know if you've
noticed this in your job, Jen, actually.

485
00:25:16,469 --> 00:25:20,759
But it's, I think it's so isolated
at the moment and  it's just

486
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:22,049
we've become conditioned to it.

487
00:25:22,959 --> 00:25:23,429
Do you know what I mean?

488
00:25:23,429 --> 00:25:27,719
And I think it's just not, it's
not what God intended really.

489
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:32,159
No it's not that kind of isolated
solo sport thing going on.

490
00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:34,499
You need to be part of a team
really, part of a community.

491
00:25:35,719 --> 00:25:38,649
I think there's meaning in that, I think
there's purpose in that, and I think it's

492
00:25:38,649 --> 00:25:40,609
part of God's design is to be with people.

493
00:25:40,609 --> 00:25:41,299
There's protection in that.

494
00:25:41,729 --> 00:25:43,239
Yeah, which John talked
about actually in his talk.

495
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:43,679
Yeah.

496
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,859
So that whole protection side of things.

497
00:25:46,609 --> 00:25:48,369
Yeah, so it is relational.

498
00:25:48,679 --> 00:25:49,819
Christianity is relational.

499
00:25:49,819 --> 00:25:49,999
Yeah.

500
00:25:50,069 --> 00:25:51,529
It's about being in a
relationship with people.

501
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:52,529
What else have you got in there?

502
00:25:53,449 --> 00:26:00,624
Jan Burch: Just about how, When he walked,
when Paul walked through life with others,

503
00:26:00,664 --> 00:26:08,434
he was investing and choosing people to
journey with, and I think sometimes we

504
00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:17,034
can focus on our jobs, we can focus on
our family primarily and not really pay

505
00:26:17,034 --> 00:26:21,924
much attention to who we're journeying
with outside of those relationships.

506
00:26:22,424 --> 00:26:24,134
I think it's really important.

507
00:26:24,494 --> 00:26:29,414
I remember Nick Harding once saying that
you become like those you spend time with.

508
00:26:29,454 --> 00:26:29,754
Yeah.

509
00:26:30,264 --> 00:26:31,724
And that's so true, isn't it?

510
00:26:31,734 --> 00:26:37,244
That we have to be intentional, I
think about who we journey with.

511
00:26:37,244 --> 00:26:38,994
Matt Edmundson: What does,
what do you, what does that

512
00:26:38,994 --> 00:26:41,054
mean though, to be intentional?

513
00:26:42,704 --> 00:26:49,474
Jan Burch: I think choosing your friends
I think what I mean by that is the people

514
00:26:49,484 --> 00:26:57,724
that we trust with, with things with us,
with our lives that we open up to that

515
00:26:57,724 --> 00:27:01,524
we live beside and who we socialize with.

516
00:27:01,634 --> 00:27:01,894
Yeah.

517
00:27:01,934 --> 00:27:02,374
I think.

518
00:27:02,979 --> 00:27:07,209
It's important that we
are careful in that.

519
00:27:07,619 --> 00:27:12,479
In, in work, actually, you can't
choose those, your colleagues.

520
00:27:13,069 --> 00:27:15,579
But out of work, I think you can.

521
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:21,409
And I think it's important to be with
people who encourage, who are kind,

522
00:27:21,409 --> 00:27:24,129
who are loving, and who are honest.

523
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:25,169
What do you

524
00:27:25,169 --> 00:27:25,499
Matt Edmundson: think, Matt?

525
00:27:26,094 --> 00:27:27,374
Yeah, I agree.

526
00:27:27,374 --> 00:27:30,054
I think, we connect with all
kinds of people, don't we?

527
00:27:30,144 --> 00:27:34,904
Throughout our lifetime and we create
close bonds and friendships with people.

528
00:27:35,244 --> 00:27:37,284
And we journey through
life together with them.

529
00:27:37,914 --> 00:27:41,064
And I think for me, this whole
intentionality thing I have a thing in

530
00:27:41,064 --> 00:27:45,654
my diary like half an hour scheduled
a couple of times a week where I'm

531
00:27:45,654 --> 00:27:49,154
just like, during this time, reach
out to, and I have a list of people

532
00:27:50,144 --> 00:27:53,624
because if I don't connect with them
and it might just be a simple text

533
00:27:53,794 --> 00:27:56,904
or an email, like I might email Andy
or I might send a text to Nicola or

534
00:27:56,904 --> 00:27:58,004
whatever and go, Hey, how you doing?

535
00:27:58,004 --> 00:28:04,074
Just checking in and it's just part
of my routine where I have different

536
00:28:04,074 --> 00:28:07,684
people and I have a little calendar
reminder just to remind me, Oh, if

537
00:28:07,684 --> 00:28:10,164
you've not heard from these people,
just check in with them, connecting with

538
00:28:10,164 --> 00:28:14,824
them for a little bit, because I think
it's so easy to get disconnected from

539
00:28:14,824 --> 00:28:16,854
people that we should stay connected.

540
00:28:17,259 --> 00:28:17,949
With right.

541
00:28:18,449 --> 00:28:23,519
I know Sharon does this, for example,
with my mum, she's really good

542
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:24,749
at staying connected with my mum.

543
00:28:24,749 --> 00:28:29,369
And she has a little calendar reminder
to call my mum and say, howdy doody.

544
00:28:29,849 --> 00:28:35,359
And I think there are people that we
are friends with that to be intentional

545
00:28:35,369 --> 00:28:41,839
in that relationship, whether it's a
friendship, whether it's my marriage,

546
00:28:41,859 --> 00:28:46,709
whether it's people at church,
where actually I have to reach out

547
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,149
because it's easy not to do that.

548
00:28:49,149 --> 00:28:49,489
Yeah.

549
00:28:49,749 --> 00:28:50,764
Do you know what I mean?

550
00:28:50,764 --> 00:28:51,824
In the current world in which we live.

551
00:28:51,824 --> 00:28:52,744
Jan Burch: Definitely.

552
00:28:52,744 --> 00:28:53,734
Yeah, definitely.

553
00:28:54,454 --> 00:28:56,304
I I 100 percent agree.

554
00:28:56,404 --> 00:29:01,794
And I think even if it means that we have
to write things on a calendar to remind

555
00:29:01,794 --> 00:29:07,014
ourselves then so be it, it's not that out
of sight, out of mind, particularly, it's

556
00:29:07,014 --> 00:29:14,384
just that our lives are so busy and,  we
just don't think about, or we don't always

557
00:29:14,384 --> 00:29:19,824
make the effort to, it's not that we don't
care, it's just, our lives are too busy.

558
00:29:20,274 --> 00:29:23,004
So I think having reminders
to do those things is

559
00:29:23,004 --> 00:29:23,544
Matt Edmundson: brilliant.

560
00:29:23,784 --> 00:29:24,174
Yeah.

561
00:29:24,204 --> 00:29:25,254
I'll tell you, it works for me.

562
00:29:25,774 --> 00:29:26,824
I'm not saying it's for everybody.

563
00:29:26,824 --> 00:29:27,964
I'm just saying it works for me.

564
00:29:28,414 --> 00:29:31,594
And I know there's, the past couple
of days there's a family that I

565
00:29:31,594 --> 00:29:33,124
know that's just been on my mind.

566
00:29:33,154 --> 00:29:34,264
I've been praying for them.

567
00:29:34,794 --> 00:29:36,714
And I keep thinking to myself,
oh, I must give him a ring.

568
00:29:37,014 --> 00:29:37,226
. You know what I mean?

569
00:29:37,229 --> 00:29:40,049
I must give him a call and
then something happens.

570
00:29:40,694 --> 00:29:40,934
I know.

571
00:29:40,934 --> 00:29:42,813
And it, and then I don't And it and you.

572
00:29:42,813 --> 00:29:43,013
Yeah.

573
00:29:43,088 --> 00:29:44,738
And I can sit here and think
actually, I've been saying that

574
00:29:44,738 --> 00:29:45,938
to myself for the last few days.

575
00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:47,648
And if I'm not careful, I won't do it.

576
00:29:47,648 --> 00:29:48,638
So I have to make a note.

577
00:29:48,668 --> 00:29:48,669
Yeah.

578
00:29:48,758 --> 00:29:49,658
To do that, right?

579
00:29:49,658 --> 00:29:49,718
Yeah.

580
00:29:49,748 --> 00:29:49,988
Yeah.

581
00:29:50,018 --> 00:29:51,638
Who have you not reached out to recently?

582
00:29:51,638 --> 00:29:52,628
Who do you need to connect with?

583
00:29:52,628 --> 00:29:54,998
Just send a text message or
an email or give him a ring.

584
00:29:55,433 --> 00:29:56,693
To say, Hey, howdy doody.

585
00:29:56,693 --> 00:29:57,813
It's great to connect with you.

586
00:29:57,953 --> 00:29:58,983
I'm just checking in.

587
00:29:58,983 --> 00:29:59,733
What are you saying to them?

588
00:30:00,153 --> 00:30:00,723
Jan Burch: Howdy doody.

589
00:30:01,573 --> 00:30:02,243
What's that?

590
00:30:05,393 --> 00:30:06,213
Matt Edmundson: Do you
not know the phrase?

591
00:30:06,213 --> 00:30:06,598
Howdy doody?

592
00:30:06,598 --> 00:30:07,173
Of course I do.

593
00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:07,743
I just,

594
00:30:07,743 --> 00:30:10,183
Jan Burch: it's a very
bizarre thing to say.

595
00:30:12,933 --> 00:30:15,003
Howdy, if you said that
to me, I'd be going.

596
00:30:16,688 --> 00:30:17,148
Okay,

597
00:30:17,468 --> 00:30:22,688
Matt Edmundson: everybody text Jan, howdy
doody, just do it randomly throughout

598
00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:24,498
the week, just text Jan, howdy doody Jan.

599
00:30:25,178 --> 00:30:27,618
Mental note to meself,
text Jan, howdy doody.

600
00:30:28,398 --> 00:30:32,118
Nicola's put here I think if it
had not been for church community,

601
00:30:32,488 --> 00:30:34,978
I don't think I'd be here anymore.

602
00:30:36,718 --> 00:30:40,838
Now this is another, this is a part
of what John Harding was talking about

603
00:30:40,848 --> 00:30:43,528
in terms of encouragement, right?

604
00:30:43,568 --> 00:30:47,998
It's one thing to connect with people
and to actually, make that a habit in

605
00:30:47,998 --> 00:30:50,968
whatever way works for you, say for
me, the calendar appointments, but

606
00:30:50,988 --> 00:30:54,708
in a way that is encouraging, right?

607
00:30:54,728 --> 00:30:58,588
So I have this challenge,   that I give
people all the time and I think it's a

608
00:30:58,588 --> 00:31:03,238
really good challenge to have because
we have become, I think John touched

609
00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:07,168
on this actually, Christianity has
become quite consumer led, hasn't it?

610
00:31:08,168 --> 00:31:11,838
In the sense that, yeah,
church has to give me whatever

611
00:31:11,838 --> 00:31:13,118
it is I want out of church.

612
00:31:13,148 --> 00:31:15,828
And if it's not giving me whatever
I want, I'm off because, that's

613
00:31:15,828 --> 00:31:16,858
not what church is all about.

614
00:31:17,358 --> 00:31:18,838
It's all about making me happy.

615
00:31:18,888 --> 00:31:22,978
I need to feel a certain thing and
you need to give me great teaching.

616
00:31:22,978 --> 00:31:23,268
You need to.

617
00:31:23,538 --> 00:31:23,898
Yeah.

618
00:31:24,188 --> 00:31:26,778
And it's, there's an element
of you need to get fed in

619
00:31:26,778 --> 00:31:27,928
church and I appreciate that.

620
00:31:27,928 --> 00:31:32,748
But in Hebrews, if I read it correctly
church is more about what you give.

621
00:31:32,758 --> 00:31:37,658
And specifically, Paul talks
Thessalonians, John talked

622
00:31:37,698 --> 00:31:38,798
about it's day from the talk.

623
00:31:40,218 --> 00:31:42,748
Who can you encourage and that.

624
00:31:43,363 --> 00:31:46,963
Desire that understanding that
whenever I work in, walk into the

625
00:31:46,963 --> 00:31:52,363
church building, regardless of what
I'm going through, in some respects

626
00:31:52,513 --> 00:31:54,253
And it's not, there are times, don't
get me wrong, there are seasons

627
00:31:54,253 --> 00:31:56,113
when you want to go to church,
you want to connect with God.

628
00:31:56,143 --> 00:31:57,613
And you want to hear from God, right?

629
00:31:57,623 --> 00:31:58,193
. And you do.

630
00:31:58,198 --> 00:31:59,388
And you want to know what's going on.

631
00:32:01,078 --> 00:32:02,648
And I think that's super, super important.

632
00:32:02,928 --> 00:32:07,238
But nine times out of 10, actually
going to church is about encouraging

633
00:32:07,238 --> 00:32:08,458
those in the church building.

634
00:32:08,668 --> 00:32:14,148
And just how different would church
be if we just went with a mindset

635
00:32:14,148 --> 00:32:18,218
that says, God, help me encourage
people today when I go to church.

636
00:32:19,458 --> 00:32:22,098
Who can I find and encourage?

637
00:32:22,463 --> 00:32:22,893
Jan Burch: Do you know what I mean?

638
00:32:23,083 --> 00:32:23,863
Absolutely.

639
00:32:23,913 --> 00:32:24,243
Yeah.

640
00:32:24,253 --> 00:32:28,443
I'm a, I love encouraging people.

641
00:32:28,943 --> 00:32:29,423
You're very good

642
00:32:29,423 --> 00:32:29,853
Matt Edmundson: at it, Jen.

643
00:32:29,863 --> 00:32:30,373
Do you think?

644
00:32:30,493 --> 00:32:32,383
Yeah, I think you're great to be around.

645
00:32:32,523 --> 00:32:33,463
Oh, thank you.

646
00:32:33,653 --> 00:32:37,163
And I think people always feel loved up
and encouraged when they're around you.

647
00:32:37,163 --> 00:32:38,103
That's a nice thing to

648
00:32:38,103 --> 00:32:38,343
Jan Burch: say.

649
00:32:38,353 --> 00:32:38,683
Thank

650
00:32:38,683 --> 00:32:38,873
Matt Edmundson: you.

651
00:32:38,963 --> 00:32:41,843
Because you have this really
cool sense of humor, right?

652
00:32:42,373 --> 00:32:46,518
And and if you don't know Jen, and
you don't know Jen's sense of humor,

653
00:32:46,548 --> 00:32:50,578
sometimes, People just think you're
being totally serious and she's just,

654
00:32:50,868 --> 00:32:51,868
like the how do you do dee what.

655
00:32:53,758 --> 00:32:54,628
iT's just really funny.

656
00:32:54,638 --> 00:32:56,968
But I think at the same time,
you're also super encouraging.

657
00:32:57,238 --> 00:32:57,728
Oh, thank you.

658
00:32:58,088 --> 00:33:01,378
And I think you always come, it's like
today you came and you said, Oh, I was

659
00:33:01,378 --> 00:33:04,338
listening to Sharon's What's the Story
and she was great because of this.

660
00:33:04,368 --> 00:33:07,678
You didn't have to say that, but it's
just, it's an encouraging thing to hear.

661
00:33:07,678 --> 00:33:09,388
So I think you are
naturally quite encouraging.

662
00:33:09,488 --> 00:33:10,848
I don't know if it's intentional.

663
00:33:11,628 --> 00:33:12,348
Jan Burch: A bit of both.

664
00:33:12,428 --> 00:33:14,648
Yeah, I really like doing it.

665
00:33:15,978 --> 00:33:19,448
Because I don't think there's
enough encouragement in the world.

666
00:33:19,718 --> 00:33:19,928
No.

667
00:33:20,418 --> 00:33:23,258
But yeah, it is the one
thing that's very nice.

668
00:33:23,928 --> 00:33:27,038
I just picked up on
what John said as well.

669
00:33:27,398 --> 00:33:31,348
I think when the world is
telling us it's about number

670
00:33:31,348 --> 00:33:34,698
one, it's about Self development.

671
00:33:34,698 --> 00:33:37,368
It's about, making sure you're okay.

672
00:33:38,958 --> 00:33:44,408
I think the opposite of that is, is
kingdom values is it's about serving.

673
00:33:44,888 --> 00:33:50,678
And actually I think when we take
our eyes off ourselves, that's

674
00:33:50,678 --> 00:33:54,718
when we get true true joy and.

675
00:33:55,483 --> 00:33:59,643
depth and meaning and
purpose in our relationships.

676
00:33:59,693 --> 00:34:05,653
I think when you can give to someone
else um, although it feels like it's hard

677
00:34:05,653 --> 00:34:11,703
sometimes when you're tired or you're
hurting or, you're feeling not great.

678
00:34:12,353 --> 00:34:16,043
I think whenever we make the effort
to serve or to help someone else.

679
00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:18,793
God always blesses us, doesn't he?

680
00:34:18,843 --> 00:34:19,493
Yeah, he does.

681
00:34:19,513 --> 00:34:25,683
It's I remember, going various points
to Africa, and Julie can relate to this,

682
00:34:25,683 --> 00:34:30,593
going to India recently, that you go
there thinking, oh, I'm gonna, we're

683
00:34:30,623 --> 00:34:33,323
giving this and we're bringing the other.

684
00:34:33,763 --> 00:34:37,143
Actually, you're always
blessed so much more.

685
00:34:38,183 --> 00:34:39,443
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, you
always take more out of it.

686
00:34:39,493 --> 00:34:39,833
Yeah.

687
00:34:40,708 --> 00:34:44,048
Jan Burch: So yeah, it's good, more
blessed to give than to receive.

688
00:34:44,218 --> 00:34:46,198
Matt Edmundson: That's an
interesting, yeah, that's very true.

689
00:34:46,368 --> 00:34:46,968
It's very true.

690
00:34:47,258 --> 00:34:51,498
And I like this idea of what you said
about serving, and actually it's the

691
00:34:51,498 --> 00:34:56,808
exact opposite spirit of the culture
in which we're in at the moment,

692
00:34:56,918 --> 00:34:58,938
which I have to be honest with you.

693
00:34:58,988 --> 00:35:01,728
I think is um, we're going to get into
this actually in a couple of weeks.

694
00:35:01,728 --> 00:35:03,008
I'm doing a talk on worldview.

695
00:35:03,018 --> 00:35:04,498
So I'm going to get into
this in a lot more depth.

696
00:35:06,173 --> 00:35:12,443
But I, we live in a culture at the
moment, which is so narcissistic in the

697
00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:15,383
West, which is so based upon me, right?

698
00:35:15,843 --> 00:35:17,373
So what do I mean by that?

699
00:35:17,383 --> 00:35:21,563
In the sense that now it's got to the
stage where if you do not agree with

700
00:35:21,573 --> 00:35:30,283
me, and what I say may be inaccurate,
it may be an untruth, but if you don't

701
00:35:30,283 --> 00:35:36,598
agree with it, then not only are you
intolerant and a bigot, You are wrong.

702
00:35:36,978 --> 00:35:37,368
That's right.

703
00:35:37,898 --> 00:35:41,248
And I talked about this with Tony
in the talk we did on friendship,

704
00:35:41,558 --> 00:35:42,648
which was a great conversation.

705
00:35:42,648 --> 00:35:43,948
If you've not heard it, do check it out.

706
00:35:44,778 --> 00:35:48,808
Actually friends, they are people
that not only encourage you, but

707
00:35:48,818 --> 00:35:52,788
encouraging you is not making you
feel better about yourself, right?

708
00:35:53,078 --> 00:35:57,838
Encouragement from a Christian perspective
is, hey dude, this is what God says.

709
00:35:58,363 --> 00:36:00,253
Let's understand what God's saying.

710
00:36:00,323 --> 00:36:04,043
This is what God's got us for is let's
pursue this with all our heart and

711
00:36:04,043 --> 00:36:07,903
encourages in that right in the things of
God and to know God and to understand God.

712
00:36:08,573 --> 00:36:11,913
It's not necessarily about making
us feel better about ourselves.

713
00:36:12,173 --> 00:36:20,223
And so we've gone so far down this path
now, which says, actually, I am so right.

714
00:36:20,313 --> 00:36:24,493
And I am so it's all about me that
if you don't agree with me, then

715
00:36:24,883 --> 00:36:26,323
Everything about you is wrong.

716
00:36:26,383 --> 00:36:26,713
That's right.

717
00:36:26,923 --> 00:36:28,123
And we're gonna close the door.

718
00:36:28,153 --> 00:36:30,593
And, the whole cancel culture
came outta that, didn't it?

719
00:36:30,593 --> 00:36:31,283
And I think

720
00:36:32,508 --> 00:36:33,688
Jan Burch: is People
take fence, don't they?

721
00:36:33,708 --> 00:36:34,168
Oh, they do.

722
00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:34,728
They do.

723
00:36:34,968 --> 00:36:39,593
I think offense is a real,
it's so toxic, isn't it?

724
00:36:39,673 --> 00:36:44,463
, I've been on the other end of
offending people various times of my

725
00:36:44,463 --> 00:36:47,043
life, and it's really quite shocking.

726
00:36:47,418 --> 00:36:54,168
It's very unpleasant And,  I just
think, again, I remember one of someone

727
00:36:54,228 --> 00:36:59,978
talking at Frontline a few years ago
saying, we have a choice whether we take

728
00:36:59,978 --> 00:37:04,998
offense or not, just because someone
disagrees with us or like you just

729
00:37:04,998 --> 00:37:07,078
said, Matt, don't have the same opinion.

730
00:37:07,698 --> 00:37:10,888
You have a choice there and then
whether you're offended by that.

731
00:37:11,348 --> 00:37:14,913
And,  It's just about growing
up a little bit, I think.

732
00:37:15,623 --> 00:37:18,063
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, it's about,
it's like you say, it's about

733
00:37:18,073 --> 00:37:20,493
not being so focused on self.

734
00:37:20,533 --> 00:37:20,903
Yeah.

735
00:37:21,428 --> 00:37:27,348
And it's not being so focused on me
and my rights, it's not so focused

736
00:37:27,348 --> 00:37:30,988
on that, it's more about serving.

737
00:37:31,168 --> 00:37:33,818
It's about understanding the
person in front of you and

738
00:37:33,868 --> 00:37:35,358
going, how can I bless you?

739
00:37:35,358 --> 00:37:36,158
How can I encourage you?

740
00:37:36,158 --> 00:37:37,318
How can I serve you?

741
00:37:37,378 --> 00:37:39,428
Rather than, how can you serve me?

742
00:37:39,438 --> 00:37:40,658
How can you edify me?

743
00:37:40,678 --> 00:37:44,198
How do you make me feel
better about myself?

744
00:37:44,578 --> 00:37:46,738
It's, Christianity I think
is the opposite spirit.

745
00:37:47,553 --> 00:37:49,763
And part of the time, to
be fair, Christians haven't

746
00:37:49,763 --> 00:37:51,133
been great at doing that.

747
00:37:51,363 --> 00:37:55,603
We've been great at disagreeing
with people but we've not been

748
00:37:55,603 --> 00:37:57,063
great at encouraging people.

749
00:37:57,653 --> 00:38:02,043
And I think I think it's
a real shame, I really do.

750
00:38:02,173 --> 00:38:06,053
And so yeah, serve and encouragement,
in fact, encouragement and

751
00:38:06,053 --> 00:38:07,213
serving go hand in hand.

752
00:38:08,618 --> 00:38:09,848
Serving is one way to encourage people.

753
00:38:09,848 --> 00:38:12,918
Nicola's very good at that, although
she's put wine or gin in the comments.

754
00:38:13,698 --> 00:38:16,268
I'm not quite sure that's
a glass of wine, red.

755
00:38:16,268 --> 00:38:21,548
Yeah, it's a bit too early for a gin
and tonic, uh, in England anyway.

756
00:38:21,548 --> 00:38:23,998
I don't know if that
answers your question.

757
00:38:25,968 --> 00:38:27,538
Random question in the comments.

758
00:38:28,098 --> 00:38:28,668
But yes.

759
00:38:29,898 --> 00:38:32,688
One of the things that John put my
glasses on now so I can read my notes,

760
00:38:32,998 --> 00:38:35,135
I'm going to do that thing that Jan does,
just have them on the end of my nose,

761
00:38:35,135 --> 00:38:42,215
just look over the glasses very superior
of me um, so yes, so the speech audit.

762
00:38:42,715 --> 00:38:43,255
Oh, yeah.

763
00:38:43,435 --> 00:38:44,815
I thought that was an interesting idea.

764
00:38:45,535 --> 00:38:47,565
Doing an audit of how you talk to people.

765
00:38:47,575 --> 00:38:48,685
Yeah, I know.

766
00:38:49,325 --> 00:38:49,885
Jan Burch: It's fascinating.

767
00:38:49,935 --> 00:38:54,830
Yeah, it is, I think it, I don't
think it would go well for me.

768
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,330
Matt Edmundson: I think it would.

769
00:38:56,660 --> 00:38:57,110
I think it would.

770
00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:57,690
Yeah.

771
00:38:58,030 --> 00:39:01,460
There's there's a really
interesting app called Otter.

772
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,750
Now, they do not sponsor Crowd
Church, let me just be totally clear.

773
00:39:06,835 --> 00:39:08,605
Otter is a transcription service.

774
00:39:09,005 --> 00:39:09,405
Oh yeah.

775
00:39:09,535 --> 00:39:09,865
Okay.

776
00:39:10,225 --> 00:39:11,485
And I have it on my phone.

777
00:39:11,485 --> 00:39:16,415
I have it on my computer and with work,
one of the things that I do whenever

778
00:39:16,415 --> 00:39:19,665
I have a meeting, like a zoom call or
a, this, a few of us chat, and I'll

779
00:39:19,665 --> 00:39:22,755
put the phone down or I'll turn the,
and I will record that conversation.

780
00:39:22,825 --> 00:39:28,545
Right, and Otter will transcribe that
conversation and so it will say, these,

781
00:39:28,805 --> 00:39:32,035
and it's great because it then goes
through and it summarizes what was said

782
00:39:32,035 --> 00:39:35,375
and it draws out the action points,
which in, yeah, work is a beautiful

783
00:39:35,385 --> 00:39:39,255
thing because I'm rubbish at taking notes
when I'm engrossed in a conversation.

784
00:39:40,115 --> 00:39:42,805
And I, one of the reason I'm telling
you this is one of the things that

785
00:39:42,865 --> 00:39:45,375
Otter does, which utterly fascinates me.

786
00:39:46,365 --> 00:39:51,915
Is it tells you the percentage of that
conversation that you have spoken for?

787
00:39:52,215 --> 00:39:52,315
Really?

788
00:39:52,975 --> 00:39:55,915
So if you and I had a conversation
and it recorded it, it would

789
00:39:55,915 --> 00:39:58,905
say, Matt, you spoke 70%.

790
00:39:58,935 --> 00:39:59,665
70%.

791
00:40:00,085 --> 00:40:01,775
And you, Jan, spoke 30%.

792
00:40:03,005 --> 00:40:08,065
And that has become really interesting
to help me understand in a conversation

793
00:40:08,205 --> 00:40:13,155
how much I actually take up and not
giving space to the other person's talk.

794
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,830
Jan Burch: It's not always that you don't
I'm not talking about you personally, but

795
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:21,670
it's not always about taking up space.

796
00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:25,480
I think sometimes people, need
to give a bit more, don't they?

797
00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:26,910
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, they do.

798
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:27,550
They do.

799
00:40:27,610 --> 00:40:27,810
But

800
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:29,500
Jan Burch: yeah, that's
really interesting.

801
00:40:29,790 --> 00:40:30,000
I tell

802
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,935
Matt Edmundson: you what was fascinating
was, The numbers next to people

803
00:40:34,105 --> 00:40:35,725
were not what I expected them to be.

804
00:40:35,725 --> 00:40:41,075
So you should download the app,
and just record the conversations

805
00:40:41,085 --> 00:40:44,005
that you have, obviously with
the permission of the people.

806
00:40:44,005 --> 00:40:44,775
Is it free?

807
00:40:45,215 --> 00:40:45,405
Yeah.

808
00:40:45,405 --> 00:40:45,880
Really?

809
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,225
I think there's a paid version which
we have because we use it so much.

810
00:40:50,835 --> 00:40:53,365
But yeah, it's just this really
interesting idea and just doing

811
00:40:53,365 --> 00:40:54,385
this sort of speech audit.

812
00:40:54,825 --> 00:40:56,385
So not only what I say.

813
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,950
But how much of the conversation I

814
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:59,010
Jan Burch: take up.

815
00:40:59,010 --> 00:41:00,830
Yeah, it's really interesting.

816
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:01,310
Yeah.

817
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,330
Fascinating.

818
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:02,860
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

819
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:03,920
Really fascinating.

820
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:10,360
And so it's meant actually when I do
different podcasts that I I tone down

821
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:15,330
the amount of, I'm, I'm actually aware of
talking less and asking more questions.

822
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:15,890
Yeah.

823
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:16,740
Yeah.

824
00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:18,160
It's really, it's a really powerful tool.

825
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,340
Anyway, speech audit.

826
00:41:19,825 --> 00:41:21,455
What would your speech audit come back at?

827
00:41:21,795 --> 00:41:25,655
You know what I think the best thing
to do here, Jan in the short term,

828
00:41:25,895 --> 00:41:30,295
for me, I reckon if I went and asked
Sharon, she'd tell me straight.

829
00:41:31,435 --> 00:41:31,555
What?

830
00:41:32,255 --> 00:41:32,945
spEech audit.

831
00:41:33,155 --> 00:41:35,705
If I said to her, am I
encouraging or discouraging?

832
00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:36,475
Yeah.

833
00:41:36,515 --> 00:41:39,155
Those people around you, those
that you're journeying with life,

834
00:41:39,855 --> 00:41:42,065
will be able to tell you whether
you're encouraging or discouraging.

835
00:41:42,075 --> 00:41:42,415
Yeah,

836
00:41:42,445 --> 00:41:42,825
Jan Burch: definitely.

837
00:41:42,835 --> 00:41:44,245
I think you're an encourager.

838
00:41:45,965 --> 00:41:46,275
No, I don't.

839
00:41:46,275 --> 00:41:46,595
Thank you.

840
00:41:46,595 --> 00:41:46,740
Thank you.

841
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:47,750
I'm not

842
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:48,710
Matt Edmundson: joking.

843
00:41:49,350 --> 00:41:51,430
This is the Encourage
Each Other Club tonight.

844
00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:54,190
Yeah, so I thought that
was a really good thing.

845
00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:55,370
We still got more time, or?

846
00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:56,340
We got plenty of time.

847
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:57,470
Is there something more you want to say?

848
00:41:57,630 --> 00:42:01,830
Jan Burch: I really liked what I thought
the whole talk was great, but about the

849
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,160
importance of leading yourself first.

850
00:42:04,210 --> 00:42:04,960
Oh, yes.

851
00:42:05,060 --> 00:42:09,920
That a good leader has to lead
themselves before they can lead.

852
00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:11,280
Anyone else?

853
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:18,360
So I think that's talking about
um, discipline, self discipline.

854
00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:18,660
Yeah.

855
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,850
Basically not just, it's
not do as I say, is it?

856
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:25,460
It's do as I do.

857
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:25,940
Yeah.

858
00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:26,980
Do you know what I mean?

859
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:34,820
So you can't just get up on a Sunday
and expect people to Follow your lead

860
00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:36,650
if you're not living it yourself and,

861
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,500
Matt Edmundson: Do you know
where I've figured this out the

862
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:40,030
most, or seen this the most?

863
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,290
It's having kids.

864
00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:42,670
Okay.

865
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,390
In the sense that kids are
brilliant at mirroring your actions.

866
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:47,800
Yeah.

867
00:42:48,850 --> 00:42:50,630
And that's a little bit
eye opening, isn't it?

868
00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:51,110
Yeah.

869
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:51,710
Have you found that?

870
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:53,010
Because you've got three great kids.

871
00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:57,910
Jan Burch: I think, yeah, def, oh, 100%,
but I only realised that all their,

872
00:42:59,035 --> 00:43:01,395
The bad things really did from Tim.

873
00:43:04,585 --> 00:43:08,245
So all the good qualities
clearly from me, obviously,

874
00:43:08,365 --> 00:43:11,485
Matt Edmundson: Obviously Tim's Jan's
husband, by the way, if you don't

875
00:43:11,485 --> 00:43:12,425
Jan Burch: know.

876
00:43:12,665 --> 00:43:13,505
Do you find that?

877
00:43:14,215 --> 00:43:15,995
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, they get all
their bad qualities from me and all

878
00:43:15,995 --> 00:43:17,455
their good ones from from Sharon.

879
00:43:17,515 --> 00:43:18,115
Definitely.

880
00:43:18,125 --> 00:43:18,175
No.

881
00:43:18,625 --> 00:43:22,815
But no, I think it's just really
fascinating when you have kids that

882
00:43:22,865 --> 00:43:24,585
Julie's put in the comments, by
the way, you're a total encourager.

883
00:43:24,625 --> 00:43:25,245
Ah,

884
00:43:25,375 --> 00:43:25,625
Jan Burch: thank you.

885
00:43:25,625 --> 00:43:27,075
It might be you, she means.

886
00:43:27,395 --> 00:43:28,515
I think it's definitely you.

887
00:43:28,515 --> 00:43:29,855
Ah, thanks, Julie.

888
00:43:30,855 --> 00:43:33,925
Oh, she's a great, speaks the truth.

889
00:43:34,475 --> 00:43:35,185
Woman of truth.

890
00:43:35,205 --> 00:43:35,875
She is.

891
00:43:35,895 --> 00:43:36,345
Yeah.

892
00:43:36,455 --> 00:43:37,315
Yeah, definitely.

893
00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:42,980
Matt Edmundson: But no, I think
since having kids and seeing the

894
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:49,980
scenes, sometimes my kids act and
understanding actually, they've

895
00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:51,410
totally picked that up from me.

896
00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:56,460
And you just go, Oh, maybe
I need to change this.

897
00:43:56,490 --> 00:43:56,790
Yeah.

898
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:56,820
Yeah.

899
00:43:56,820 --> 00:43:57,780
Yeah.

900
00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:01,040
I was, I would do stupid things
like I'm not great now, if I sat

901
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,030
at the table with the phone, the
kids are going to think it's okay

902
00:44:04,030 --> 00:44:05,240
to sit at the table with the phone.

903
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:05,590
Yeah.

904
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:06,610
It's just what they do.

905
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:11,390
And so leading by example is the old,
it's what they used to say, isn't it?

906
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,680
The old fashioned way, lead
by example, we should do that.

907
00:44:15,350 --> 00:44:17,920
buT it's really interesting because
Paul said in scripture, didn't he?

908
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,020
He said, imitate me as I imitate Christ.

909
00:44:23,310 --> 00:44:25,790
That's a pretty bold statement, isn't it?

910
00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:28,220
I don't know if I've ever gone to people.

911
00:44:28,340 --> 00:44:30,160
I don't actually know how
people would respond to it.

912
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:33,890
If I just turn around to people and
say no, copy me as I copy Jesus.

913
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:37,110
It's a pretty bold thing
to say to folks, isn't it?

914
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,120
Because you've, I think you've
got to be fairly sure that you're

915
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:42,100
copying Jesus in the right way.

916
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,090
I think I'm, I think I'm doing all right.

917
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:44,550
Don't get me wrong.

918
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:45,790
I don't think I'm perfect by any

919
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:49,680
way.

920
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,260
You then become aware of actually.

921
00:44:52,755 --> 00:44:55,495
How you act, as well
as what you say, right?

922
00:44:55,625 --> 00:44:58,455
And I imagine this is especially
true with what you do for work.

923
00:44:59,665 --> 00:45:00,065
Yeah.

924
00:45:00,065 --> 00:45:01,235
Jan Burch: In what way of, what

925
00:45:01,235 --> 00:45:01,595
Matt Edmundson: do you mean?

926
00:45:01,805 --> 00:45:03,255
I think you're in the public a lot.

927
00:45:03,275 --> 00:45:04,685
You're in the community a lot.

928
00:45:04,895 --> 00:45:07,695
And um, is it okay to
tell people what you do?

929
00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:08,345
Yeah, sure.

930
00:45:08,735 --> 00:45:11,385
So Jan is a community midwife.

931
00:45:11,425 --> 00:45:11,695
Yeah.

932
00:45:12,105 --> 00:45:13,175
Not just a midwife.

933
00:45:13,275 --> 00:45:15,395
A community midwife.

934
00:45:15,815 --> 00:45:19,975
And so you get to see people at the most
vulnerable, don't you, in a lot of ways

935
00:45:20,135 --> 00:45:23,995
at a time when they're both really excited
and quite petrified all at the same time.

936
00:45:24,775 --> 00:45:28,885
And yeah that, that's what I mean in
terms of, what you say and what you do,

937
00:45:28,885 --> 00:45:34,135
I think becomes quite important because
you can, I suppose  if you say one thing

938
00:45:34,135 --> 00:45:37,735
but act in another way, that's going to
really, that could cause people to flap.

939
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:39,770
Yeah, I definitely feel
like you don't care.

940
00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:42,510
Jan Burch: Yeah, absolutely.

941
00:45:42,510 --> 00:45:44,310
It goes across the board.

942
00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:48,460
In all our relationships that it
goes back to what we said last week.

943
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:50,000
It's about integrity, isn't it?

944
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:58,200
I, I think, as a midwife, as a health
professional, that I have to just focus on

945
00:45:58,250 --> 00:46:00,560
what I'm doing on my patient, the patient.

946
00:46:00,830 --> 00:46:07,000
That, I'm not thinking about myself
but I'm thinking about how I can be the

947
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:13,340
best for them and give them the best
care but if I was,   not consistent

948
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:18,120
in that, then they would soon know and
they would, women talk, women these days

949
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,105
either, they don't put up with much.

950
00:46:22,575 --> 00:46:27,928
We'd soon know about it if they weren't
happy, but yeah, no, I think it affects

951
00:46:27,928 --> 00:46:29,918
all of us in all of our relationships.

952
00:46:30,638 --> 00:46:31,518
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, absolutely.

953
00:46:31,538 --> 00:46:32,118
No, it does.

954
00:46:32,118 --> 00:46:35,398
And I think just encouraging people.

955
00:46:35,398 --> 00:46:37,688
I, Julie says here, you
look lovely as well.

956
00:46:37,698 --> 00:46:38,988
You've got it, you've
got it all coming from

957
00:46:38,988 --> 00:46:39,088
Jan Burch: Julie.

958
00:46:39,668 --> 00:46:40,598
Thank you, Julie.

959
00:46:41,298 --> 00:46:42,568
Julie's always got lovely hair.

960
00:46:44,608 --> 00:46:45,028
She's got good

961
00:46:45,028 --> 00:46:45,418
Matt Edmundson: hair.

962
00:46:45,848 --> 00:46:47,008
Very good hair, Judy.

963
00:46:47,008 --> 00:46:48,268
It's a very important thing to say.

964
00:46:48,818 --> 00:46:49,758
Judy's got good hair.

965
00:46:50,268 --> 00:46:53,438
Isaac says, I thank God for
your blessing which is great.

966
00:46:53,558 --> 00:46:54,288
Andy's put, WWJD.

967
00:46:56,038 --> 00:46:57,668
Jan Burch: What would Jesus do with me?

968
00:46:57,708 --> 00:46:58,498
Does it mean me?

969
00:46:59,158 --> 00:46:59,678
What would John do?

970
00:47:01,053 --> 00:47:01,303
I,

971
00:47:02,693 --> 00:47:03,963
Matt Edmundson: we could go either way.

972
00:47:05,103 --> 00:47:06,853
Jan Burch: Julie says,
yeah, I have got good hair.

973
00:47:08,143 --> 00:47:11,873
Yeah, we know Julie, it's
always immaculate and shiny.

974
00:47:11,883 --> 00:47:12,153
Always

975
00:47:12,153 --> 00:47:13,063
Matt Edmundson: immaculate and shiny.

976
00:47:13,063 --> 00:47:14,573
Yes, no very beautiful hair.

977
00:47:14,783 --> 00:47:15,703
It's extraordinary.

978
00:47:17,423 --> 00:47:18,643
What would Jesus do?

979
00:47:19,483 --> 00:47:20,413
What would Jan do?

980
00:47:20,453 --> 00:47:22,543
Two great questions to ask in life.

981
00:47:22,813 --> 00:47:23,193
Do you know what?

982
00:47:23,193 --> 00:47:26,563
I was doing a a business
event in the land down under.

983
00:47:26,563 --> 00:47:27,703
I was in New Zealand, right?

984
00:47:27,703 --> 00:47:28,813
I was speaking at an event down there.

985
00:47:28,813 --> 00:47:31,133
I don't know, there's a couple
hundred people at the event.

986
00:47:31,993 --> 00:47:34,253
And I was doing this business
conference type thing down there.

987
00:47:34,253 --> 00:47:36,203
And I was speaking at that.

988
00:47:36,733 --> 00:47:41,883
And I was talking about this The
phenomenon at the time of the

989
00:47:42,663 --> 00:47:45,593
WWJD, the bands where you used
to get WWJD, what did Jesus do?

990
00:47:45,593 --> 00:47:47,033
And they just said WWJD.

991
00:47:47,333 --> 00:47:48,823
No one in New Zealand knew
what I was talking about.

992
00:47:48,823 --> 00:47:49,513
Really?

993
00:47:49,513 --> 00:47:50,743
Really surprised me.

994
00:47:50,743 --> 00:47:51,803
Yeah, I was like, oh, goodness me.

995
00:47:51,803 --> 00:47:53,983
There goes that whole talk,
I had to rethink something.

996
00:47:55,343 --> 00:47:55,633
Ha!

997
00:47:56,623 --> 00:47:57,503
Slap, there it is.

998
00:47:58,273 --> 00:47:58,573
But WWJD.

999
00:48:00,203 --> 00:48:02,913
Jan Burch: They do say New Zealand's
about 20 years behind, don't they?

1000
00:48:02,913 --> 00:48:03,263
No,

1001
00:48:03,263 --> 00:48:03,803
Matt Edmundson: don't say that.

1002
00:48:03,803 --> 00:48:04,223
They do.

1003
00:48:04,523 --> 00:48:05,093
No, they don't.

1004
00:48:05,393 --> 00:48:06,843
New Zealand's awesome, I love New Zealand.

1005
00:48:07,413 --> 00:48:08,723
Yeah, what would Jesus do?

1006
00:48:08,883 --> 00:48:10,283
Is a great question to ask yourself.

1007
00:48:10,283 --> 00:48:12,033
Good question there,
Andy, what would Jesus do?

1008
00:48:12,183 --> 00:48:15,463
That's a good, that whole
imitate me as I imitate Jesus.

1009
00:48:15,573 --> 00:48:16,283
That's it, absolutely.

1010
00:48:16,353 --> 00:48:17,603
Thinking about what would Jesus do.

1011
00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:17,943
Yeah.

1012
00:48:18,243 --> 00:48:20,793
Anything else in the last
minutes, Jan, from your notes

1013
00:48:20,793 --> 00:48:22,373
you want to desperately talk

1014
00:48:22,383 --> 00:48:22,673
Jan Burch: about?

1015
00:48:22,683 --> 00:48:25,823
Just can't ignore the fact
that John used the word reflex.

1016
00:48:26,253 --> 00:48:30,583
Because in all of his talks,
which, it's a good thing.

1017
00:48:30,793 --> 00:48:31,498
It is a good

1018
00:48:31,498 --> 00:48:31,983
Matt Edmundson: thing.

1019
00:48:31,983 --> 00:48:34,003
John has even written a book,
hasn't he, called Reflex.

1020
00:48:34,003 --> 00:48:35,283
Yeah, he has indeed.

1021
00:48:35,283 --> 00:48:37,273
I'm surprised, actually, he
didn't show a copy on screening.

1022
00:48:37,273 --> 00:48:39,233
You can find out more
about Reflex from my book.

1023
00:48:39,533 --> 00:48:40,203
It is a good book.

1024
00:48:40,213 --> 00:48:41,083
Reflex, do you

1025
00:48:41,083 --> 00:48:41,833
Jan Burch: remember that song?

1026
00:48:41,833 --> 00:48:42,213
Duran.

1027
00:48:42,383 --> 00:48:45,763
Yeah, I was, I am a Durani, or used to be.

1028
00:48:45,853 --> 00:48:45,933
I'm a

1029
00:48:45,933 --> 00:48:46,183
Matt Edmundson: Durani.

1030
00:48:46,303 --> 00:48:47,423
Did you ever go to a Duran concert?

1031
00:48:47,433 --> 00:48:49,133
Oh yeah, of course.

1032
00:48:49,563 --> 00:48:50,263
How many did you go?

1033
00:48:50,263 --> 00:48:51,033
Were you a groupie?

1034
00:48:51,733 --> 00:48:53,313
Jan Burch: I would have
liked to have been, but I was

1035
00:48:53,313 --> 00:48:54,933
about 14 when they were out.

1036
00:48:55,103 --> 00:48:55,483
Okay.

1037
00:48:55,653 --> 00:48:58,943
But I did bunk off school
once to go and see them.

1038
00:49:00,103 --> 00:49:01,003
Yeah, so let's come in now.

1039
00:49:02,433 --> 00:49:06,773
They do know what they did now, but
no, it was the only time I ever did

1040
00:49:06,943 --> 00:49:07,023
Matt Edmundson: it.

1041
00:49:07,423 --> 00:49:11,323
So as we're talking about Imitate
Me as I imitate Christ, and as we're

1042
00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:15,083
talking about how kids imitate their
parents, I think, Kerish, you've

1043
00:49:15,083 --> 00:49:17,773
just got license there to bunk off
school and go to any kind of concert.

1044
00:49:17,773 --> 00:49:17,903
You

1045
00:49:17,923 --> 00:49:18,753
Jan Burch: haven't, none of you have.

1046
00:49:21,253 --> 00:49:23,383
Matt Edmundson: If your kids are
watching, you're in so much danger.

1047
00:49:25,613 --> 00:49:26,273
Jan Burch: Indeed.

1048
00:49:28,093 --> 00:49:29,223
Matt Edmundson: It's just very funny.

1049
00:49:29,223 --> 00:49:30,223
Very funny indeed.

1050
00:49:30,703 --> 00:49:31,263
Yeah, Duran.

1051
00:49:31,313 --> 00:49:32,163
What legends they were.

1052
00:49:32,333 --> 00:49:32,783
Yeah.

1053
00:49:32,903 --> 00:49:33,673
Defined an era.

1054
00:49:34,693 --> 00:49:35,913
Yeah, they did define an era.

1055
00:49:36,433 --> 00:49:39,963
So if you're just joining us, welcome
to Matt and Jen talk about Duran.

1056
00:49:41,123 --> 00:49:41,993
The 1980s.

1057
00:49:42,923 --> 00:49:47,403
Actually no the reflexion and it's,
uh, the way John talks about it is

1058
00:49:47,483 --> 00:49:49,413
very much, it's like our default.

1059
00:49:49,413 --> 00:49:53,763
It's our way of responding, our way of
acting and what our default response

1060
00:49:53,783 --> 00:49:57,823
should be hopefully as we become
more and more mature in our walk with

1061
00:49:57,833 --> 00:50:01,773
Christ, it should become more and
more like that, shouldn't it really?

1062
00:50:03,033 --> 00:50:04,103
Yeah, in theory.

1063
00:50:05,003 --> 00:50:06,323
Yeah, absolutely.

1064
00:50:06,953 --> 00:50:11,983
So yes and then obviously
lead yourself well first.

1065
00:50:11,983 --> 00:50:13,913
I thought that was a great phrase.

1066
00:50:13,913 --> 00:50:16,333
You mentioned that earlier about
the first level of leadership,

1067
00:50:16,343 --> 00:50:18,173
lead yourself well first.

1068
00:50:18,863 --> 00:50:25,353
And for me, John picked on the fact
that we are now,  we've, as a church,

1069
00:50:25,353 --> 00:50:28,873
there's been a lot of books recently
in Christianity about doing Sabbath,

1070
00:50:28,923 --> 00:50:31,873
and we've taken it from one extreme to
another, because that's what Christians

1071
00:50:31,873 --> 00:50:33,213
do, we like to swing the pendulum.

1072
00:50:33,773 --> 00:50:38,783
And he drew attention to
that, leading yourself well.

1073
00:50:39,883 --> 00:50:43,033
Yeah, I think actually involves more
self discipline than anything else.

1074
00:50:43,043 --> 00:50:43,787
Yeah, I think so.

1075
00:50:43,787 --> 00:50:44,423
Do you know what I mean?

1076
00:50:44,453 --> 00:50:48,143
And I think one of the fruits
of the Spirit is self control.

1077
00:50:48,833 --> 00:50:50,513
Not something we talk about
that often, but it is.

1078
00:50:50,513 --> 00:50:57,243
And actually leading yourself well is
Being very self controlled I've got a

1079
00:50:57,243 --> 00:51:00,323
finite amount of time, I'm going to spend
it this way, I'm going to be intentional

1080
00:51:00,323 --> 00:51:03,023
in these relationships, so if you're
married, I'm going to be intentional in

1081
00:51:03,023 --> 00:51:06,713
my marriage, if I have kids, I'm going to
be intentional with my kids, my friends,

1082
00:51:06,713 --> 00:51:09,963
I'm going to be intentional there, I'm
going to go to church, I'm going to

1083
00:51:09,963 --> 00:51:14,163
encourage the socks off everybody that
I meet, I'm going to pray for them, I'm

1084
00:51:14,163 --> 00:51:17,763
going to have a, hopefully seek God and
try and get a word for, some of them.

1085
00:51:18,323 --> 00:51:20,243
That's what I think leading yourself well.

1086
00:51:20,658 --> 00:51:21,238
It's all about

1087
00:51:21,288 --> 00:51:21,758
Jan Burch: us.

1088
00:51:21,868 --> 00:51:22,728
That's amazing.

1089
00:51:22,738 --> 00:51:23,068
Yeah.

1090
00:51:23,098 --> 00:51:23,678
I love that.

1091
00:51:24,568 --> 00:51:25,668
You sounded like you were
going to say something.

1092
00:51:26,028 --> 00:51:28,898
No, I was just thinking,
how great is that,

1093
00:51:28,998 --> 00:51:31,048
Matt Edmundson: how different church
would look like if we actually did that.

1094
00:51:31,448 --> 00:51:31,888
Yeah.

1095
00:51:32,248 --> 00:51:33,248
And our workplaces.

1096
00:51:33,318 --> 00:51:36,988
Jan Burch: You've talked before
about, not being, and you've

1097
00:51:36,988 --> 00:51:38,348
mentioned it again this evening.

1098
00:51:39,118 --> 00:51:41,228
We're not, we shouldn't
be consumers, should we?

1099
00:51:41,228 --> 00:51:44,228
We are givers, really,
we should be giving.

1100
00:51:44,788 --> 00:51:46,978
And what are people
learning from our lives?

1101
00:51:47,088 --> 00:51:49,338
It's self reflection is good.

1102
00:51:50,238 --> 00:51:52,818
Just totally focusing on self isn't.

1103
00:51:53,448 --> 00:51:57,968
But I think when we take our eyes
off ourselves onto Jesus then I

1104
00:51:57,988 --> 00:52:02,478
think we, real happiness, real
peace comes from that, doesn't it?

1105
00:52:02,478 --> 00:52:06,528
And we can build proper relationships.

1106
00:52:07,208 --> 00:52:09,208
It's not just all about
how you're feeling.

1107
00:52:10,318 --> 00:52:11,748
yOu know what you're getting out of it.

1108
00:52:11,898 --> 00:52:12,268
Yeah,

1109
00:52:12,638 --> 00:52:13,258
Matt Edmundson: very good.

1110
00:52:13,838 --> 00:52:14,738
I think it's very true.

1111
00:52:14,768 --> 00:52:17,528
Seeing yourself through the lens of
Jesus is quite important, really.

1112
00:52:17,928 --> 00:52:18,748
Through the eyes of Jesus.

1113
00:52:18,748 --> 00:52:20,888
So no, it's super, super cool.

1114
00:52:21,748 --> 00:52:25,948
Let me tell you from my notes
here, what's coming up next week.

1115
00:52:26,158 --> 00:52:29,008
I'm just going to click on it and find
out because I don't actually know.

1116
00:52:31,203 --> 00:52:33,063
You talk for a sec, John,
while I figure it out.

1117
00:52:33,633 --> 00:52:35,223
'cause I should have checked this before.

1118
00:52:35,823 --> 00:52:37,033
Jan Burch: No, I just yeah.

1119
00:52:37,153 --> 00:52:40,163
Thank you for for John bringing that word.

1120
00:52:40,313 --> 00:52:41,993
I like the little pictures as well.

1121
00:52:42,043 --> 00:52:43,323
The graphics that written.

1122
00:52:43,323 --> 00:52:43,603
Oh yeah.

1123
00:52:43,603 --> 00:52:45,068
Tanya Between, that was really good.

1124
00:52:45,068 --> 00:52:45,278
Yeah.

1125
00:52:45,278 --> 00:52:46,838
Matt Edmundson: Tanya's getting
on with a video editing.

1126
00:52:47,258 --> 00:52:48,518
That was Tanya who edits the video.

1127
00:52:48,518 --> 00:52:49,268
She's the legend.

1128
00:52:49,298 --> 00:52:50,258
Yeah, that was very good.

1129
00:52:50,258 --> 00:52:50,798
She's the legend.

1130
00:52:51,248 --> 00:52:52,238
So next week.

1131
00:52:52,268 --> 00:52:54,248
You have got Dan Orange.

1132
00:52:54,758 --> 00:52:57,618
In this chair, he is doing hosting along.

1133
00:52:57,948 --> 00:53:01,078
John Harding will be
next week in that chair.

1134
00:53:01,748 --> 00:53:03,858
And apparently Anna Kettle is speaking.

1135
00:53:05,328 --> 00:53:08,008
Anna, looking forward to
hearing what you've got to say.

1136
00:53:08,318 --> 00:53:09,888
Next week, I'm actually
going to be in Paris.

1137
00:53:11,488 --> 00:53:11,878
Who with?

1138
00:53:12,648 --> 00:53:13,238
My wife.

1139
00:53:15,048 --> 00:53:19,988
We've been married for 25 years and
finally we get to go away and celebrate.

1140
00:53:19,988 --> 00:53:21,488
And Sharon's never actually been to Paris.

1141
00:53:22,608 --> 00:53:23,908
Yeah, I was shocked too when I read it.

1142
00:53:24,128 --> 00:53:24,918
Mais

1143
00:53:24,918 --> 00:53:25,348
Jan Burch: non.

1144
00:53:25,348 --> 00:53:25,738
Mais non.

1145
00:53:25,738 --> 00:53:26,798
Mais non.

1146
00:53:26,798 --> 00:53:28,758
Paris is, I love Paris.

1147
00:53:28,938 --> 00:53:29,298
Do you like it?

1148
00:53:29,608 --> 00:53:30,028
Matt Edmundson: Beautiful.

1149
00:53:30,108 --> 00:53:30,558
Yeah.

1150
00:53:30,658 --> 00:53:31,038
Paris.

1151
00:53:31,418 --> 00:53:32,018
Jan Burch: Oh, have a

1152
00:53:32,048 --> 00:53:32,838
Matt Edmundson: wonderful time.

1153
00:53:32,848 --> 00:53:36,298
Yeah, I'll be tuning in to
Crowd from the streets of Paris

1154
00:53:36,318 --> 00:53:37,978
next week, so wherever you are.

1155
00:53:37,988 --> 00:53:38,728
Oulala.

1156
00:53:38,728 --> 00:53:40,548
Jan Burch: Oulala.

1157
00:53:40,548 --> 00:53:45,078
Sometimes

1158
00:53:45,958 --> 00:53:47,058
Matt Edmundson: they're just
no words, are they really?

1159
00:53:47,078 --> 00:53:48,370
Ooh la.

1160
00:53:48,370 --> 00:53:49,452
John Harding: Ooh

1161
00:53:49,452 --> 00:53:50,534
Matt Edmundson: La.

1162
00:53:50,714 --> 00:53:51,274
Excellent.

1163
00:53:51,574 --> 00:53:52,654
Let's get some control back.

1164
00:53:53,104 --> 00:53:58,624
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1165
00:53:58,844 --> 00:53:59,234
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1166
00:53:59,484 --> 00:54:01,624
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1167
00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:04,009
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1168
00:54:04,009 --> 00:54:05,799
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1169
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:06,859
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1170
00:54:06,879 --> 00:54:07,559
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1171
00:54:07,889 --> 00:54:11,309
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1172
00:54:11,309 --> 00:54:14,109
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1173
00:54:14,369 --> 00:54:16,099
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1174
00:54:16,109 --> 00:54:17,619
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1175
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:20,519
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1176
00:54:20,759 --> 00:54:22,289
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1177
00:54:22,289 --> 00:54:23,769
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1178
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,679
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1179
00:54:27,309 --> 00:54:31,019
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1180
00:54:31,019 --> 00:54:32,759
been great to be with you this week.

1181
00:54:32,979 --> 00:54:35,109
Any final words from you, Miss Jan?

1182
00:54:35,789 --> 00:54:40,519
Jan Burch: Nope, just have a wonderful
week and yeah, just pray that, that we all

1183
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:45,409
really make a note of what are we saying
to other people when we're living our

1184
00:54:45,409 --> 00:54:49,769
lives, when we're going about our everyday
life, what are people learning from us,

1185
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:51,979
and try and encourage someone this week.

1186
00:54:53,254 --> 00:54:56,184
Be intentional about
encouraging wherever you

1187
00:54:56,244 --> 00:54:56,504
Matt Edmundson: are.

1188
00:54:56,954 --> 00:54:57,444
Very good.

1189
00:54:57,494 --> 00:54:59,474
Be intentional about
encouraging wherever you are.

1190
00:54:59,474 --> 00:54:59,884
Top tip.

1191
00:55:00,694 --> 00:55:04,024
And on that bombshell I will bid
you or we will bid you adieu.

1192
00:55:04,364 --> 00:55:05,814
Have a fantastic week
wherever you are in the world.

1193
00:55:05,814 --> 00:55:06,644
Thanks for joining us.

1194
00:55:06,644 --> 00:55:07,564
Thanks for all your comments.

1195
00:55:07,614 --> 00:55:08,244
Au revoir.

1196
00:55:08,244 --> 00:55:10,444
Au revoir.

1197
00:55:10,444 --> 00:55:11,614
I'm practicing my French.

1198
00:55:11,864 --> 00:55:14,884
Oh la.

1199
00:55:14,884 --> 00:55:16,954
Anyway, see you next time.

1200
00:55:16,954 --> 00:55:17,844
That's it for us.

1201
00:55:17,844 --> 00:55:18,294
Bless you guys.

1202
00:55:18,404 --> 00:55:18,854
Bye.

1203
00:55:18,884 --> 00:55:19,014
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1204
00:55:19,014 --> 00:55:19,194
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1205
00:55:21,019 --> 00:55:24,799
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review on your podcast platform, it helps
us reach more people with the message

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that Jesus really does help us live a
more meaningful and purposeful life.

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So if you haven't done so already,
Be sure to check out our website www.

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crowd.

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church where you can learn more
about us as a church, more about

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the Christian faith and also how to
connect into our church community.

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It has been awesome to connect
with you and you are awesome.

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It's just a burden you have to bear
and hopefully we'll see you next time.

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That's it from us.

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God bless you.

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Bye for now.