From signing 10,000 death certificates as an ER doctor

to nearly becoming one himself.

Only at the age of 38, Dr. Paul Savage, who's our

guest today on the show.

He thought he knew medicine, but that wasn't until he discovered

that there's an invisible threat affecting every single American

and most people around the world.

And also he broke this to me.

This blew my mind that today there are over 150, Thousand

toxins in our environment.

A lot of those actually are inside our homes, inside our offices.

he actually said that one of the first symptoms that you see are

diseases like cancer or Alzheimer's and these things that are happening

a lot sooner in people's lives.

But the thing is, he actually came out of retirement.

This guy's an entrepreneur.

at heart.

He's done what?

Three startups now.

And he actually came out of retirement to solve this problem.

And he figured out a way to basically give an oil

change to your body, to reverse a lot of this stuff.

And it's pretty mind blowing.

The stats and the, uh, the studies that are coming out that

show that this is working are blowing a lot of people's minds.

And it's really cool.

So he talks about how the first thing you got to do

is you need to actually make this thing, not invisible.

You need to test it.

You need to get the data.

That's actually what I'm doing right now.

I'm waiting for my results, but he is giving you the

opportunity to do the same.

So his company MD Lifespan is awesome.

I actually work closely with them.

So I've got to learn a lot about what they do

over the last year or so.

And, uh, pretty soon I'll share my toxin test results

But he wanted to give you a really great opportunity to get a

good chunk of money off on their toxin test and talk package.

He's saying everyone's got to get these data points on themselves.

So you know what you're up against in this world.

That's very toxic and it's only getting worse.

So again, us as entrepreneurs, we're always optimizing everything.

You got to optimize yourself.

And, uh, you know, I, I went a little longer right now because

this means a lot to me and I've learned how this can really change

a lot of lives and, you know, my family has been affected by cancers

and early, you know, heart issues and things like that, that have.

Knocked a lot of my loved ones out of life way too early.

So do this.

This is why I love having Dr. Savage on.

This is the second episode he's been on.

I think it was about a year ago.

So if you want to go learn even more about him, then go

check it out on the podcast or over at hustleandflowchart.

com.

All right.

Enjoy the episode here with Dr. Paul Savage.

Dr. Paul, how are you doing today?

I'm happy.

We're round two.

It's been far too long.

It has, Joe.

Thanks for having me on again.

I look forward to catching up and I look forward to talking to your

entrepreneurs and giving them some really good, sound advice.

You did the last time you left an impact for me.

Uh, you know, we talked a little bit, I think,

about microplastics then.

Now it's become much more of a conversation.

Just toxins in general, high performance, you know, how

we actually are in control.

Of our own being and yeah, you are doing the work.

You're on the front line You've been on the front

lines for you know, a lot of

For three decades, three decades now, yeah.

So I mean

Yelling for three decades about protect your health, protect

your sleep, manage your stress, clean up your life, clean up

your environment, you got to.

let's take us back because I doubt everyone's heard the first

episode we did which was great and I recommend it It'll be linked up.

Yeah, it'll be easy to find but you know, take me back to the er doctor

days where you were Overwhelmed you were stressed you were smoking you

were doing all these things that You I know you're not doing now.

Um, what was the moment that you had that shift, that change?

Well, you know, um, coming out of a small Midwestern town,

um, and into a big metropolis of Detroit was shock enough.

Uh, but after having gone through medical school and I did my training

at the world's largest trauma center in Detroit, um, and it was,

you know, it's, it's a war zone.

I mean, to be honest, it was the 1980s.

Detroit was the mirror capital of the world.

And that's where I got my training and I went on to become, um, the

attending at night on some of the largest trauma centers in the world.

Um, in the course of 10 years, I signed 10, 000 death certificates.

Um, it was, it was an intense job, and I really didn't learn a lot

of stress management techniques.

So I was so into my job that I put everything else second.

I didn't work out because I worked the night shift.

I would get home at 8 a. m. and I might have two or three

cocktails to wind myself down.

I smoked because I was stressed at work.

Um, by the time I finished the 10 years, I'd gone from

150 pounds up to 267 pounds.

Ooh, man, 38.

My whole family dies by 65 from heart disease.

Um, so at that point it was, uh, I went to my doctors and he was like,

you know, you're really unhealthy.

I was like, yeah, he goes, I'm going to tell you, you're

going to have a heart attack in the next seven years.

If you don't do something different, forget about making 60, 65,

you're never going to get close.

And I really took that to heart and I went, you know what?

He's right.

And he said, the magic word said, every doctor says to

every patient, you need to eat better and get some exercise.

I walked out of his place and I realized in minutes I

didn't know how to do that.

I was never the sports guy, I was always the book guy.

You know, and I was always, and I never had problems with weight.

But in the 10 years I put on all that weight from all the

stress and everything that was going on and not sleeping well

and all these different things.

I had a laundry list of medical problems by the time I was

38, including heart disease.

And 7 different, 7 different medicines and I was like, I

gotta do something different.

But I literally had to go back to school.

I had to find a nutritionist.

I had to find an exercise coach.

Then I had to find some doctors who would actually educate me on

what it means to be health and well, like Andy Weil and Pam Smith.

And some of the people have been, you know, Ornish and Pritkent.

Um, I got taught by the best and I took all, and I'm a data aggregator,

so that's my whole entrepreneur.

Everybody goes, what do you, what do you build?

Anything that has to do with me using data to make something better.

Um, so I took all that information and my.

change in the year was I lost 70 pounds of fat, but

I'm 30 pounds of muscles.

But the most prominent thing was the lights came back on.

And that's all I can tell you is up to that point, I was living in

a cycle like a hamster and I'd get up and go to work and do stuff.

I'd come home.

I'd be tired to go to bed and get it up.

And I really didn't give a crap about much of anything.

Uh, it was just work, and all work.

And, um, I really was unhappy, and I was short tempered.

Um, and, uh, I was angry.

And, uh, I didn't have any relationships that were

really bonded to me because I was too much into my work.

Hmm.

And through all this process, then I got so much better.

I went into the emergency room one day and said, I'm leaving.

I'm giving you my notice of a big high position.

They're like, what are you going to go do?

I said, I'm going to go open a clinic for guys and teach

guys how to get healthy.

And they're like, insurance doesn't pay for that.

I said, no, they're going to pay cash.

And like, And nobody will pay cash for that.

Well, but, and that's the whole thing is I left in early 2000

and by 2006, I had 70 centers nationwide called BodyLogicMD and

I was treating guys and women, um, teaching them nutrition and

exercise and hormone replacement and all the things that we knew about

that time to get yourself healthy and had a great time building it.

By the time we got up to 70 centers, my business partner,

who is my brother, Didn't want to build a software system, and

we needed that to grow further.

We just didn't have the technology at that point.

This was 2007.

So I ended up sharing my, selling my shares to him, and I went out

and built a software company.

Now, the interesting thing is, in building all those 70

centers, I lost my health again.

I got so into the work.

I got so into the project.

I, I didn't, my exercise got pushed out of the way.

I pretty much started eating on the fly again and it wasn't

very long until I'm up over 200 pounds, 230 pounds again

and not feeling in great shape.

And by the time I left body logic and the body

logic MD was named company.

By the time I left it, I spent about six months doing nothing except

getting my bearings back to school.

Why did I slip up?

And the answer, the answer is very, very easy.

Mindfulness.

I forgot to keep myself first.

And my habit is to always put work first.

And I know that's a lot of the guys and a lot of the women out

there are doing the same thing.

They, they forget there's an order to the universe.

And whether you believe in a God or a higher power, let me

tell you something, there's something bigger than you.

And we can all agree that a community, something's bigger than

you, above you, then there's you.

And then there's your family and friends, and then there's

work and everything else.

And if you don't keep that order in alignment, you're going to get sick.

Yes.

what I did.

I put work at the top of the list.

Um, and then everything above me.

And so, I got sick again, so I had to go back and reconstruct

everything I did before.

Luckily, Um, the habits were there.

I lost them, but they came back relatively simple as soon as

I realized what I was doing wrong and I got healthy again.

And then I went out and built a software company and we had 6

million users and I sold that off.

Then I went out and built 27 centers more and I sold those off.

And then I retired at 60, feeling pretty damn good

about myself having done that.

A lot in the world of medicine on proving vitamins work, getting

steroids out of the steroid act, proving, you know, proving these

lab tests for your GI system and the microbiome actually are

functional and you need to know what your gut is if you want to

know what you are and putting all of these things together with two

university fellowship programs to teach other doctors how to do this.

It was an amazing trip and I thought, you know, I'm going

to go retire into Brazil now.

I'm going to lie in the sun and I'm going to think of what to do next.

And that's kind of where the story starts.

Yeah.

MD lifespan.

That's where we're at now.

And, uh, it said behind you and then I've been doing some work with you.

So I do know it quite well.

And it's fascinating.

You know, when we first had that first, uh, conversation on this

show, I didn't know as much, but now and pretty soon I'll

be, I'll be getting the toxin test done, which I know that's

something that you offer as well.

It's kind of like the starting point, right?

And we'll talk about that shortly.

I don't want to, I don't want to leave there yet because I want to

talk about setting the scene because It seemed like you had a shift,

you know, in that laying on the beach out there in Brazil, feeling

good, eating healthy food, right?

Toxin free food for the most part.

I'm

Pretty much.

And the nutrients The nutrient value of the food in Brazil is

twice as high as that in the United States because they don't

use, they don't use pesticides.

They don't use herbicides.

They still rotate and burn crops.

They do all the right things to keep the ground healthy that we

don't do in the United States.

We just keep plowing it over and adding ammonia nitrate and

basically we're depleted the soil, which is why it's really the real

quick story is when we bought our house and we bought it furnished,

But the furnishing of the kitchen was only a pot and two forks.

That's what we had a pot too.

So we went out to the store cause nothing was open and

we bought some chicken.

We thought we're going to boil chicken, right?

We just boiled the chicken.

Just simple, best flavored chicken you've ever had.

I mean, it was years before I'm like, holy, we're both

looking at each other.

Like, holy crap, this is so good.

And

like a different color and everything, huh?

well, I mean, it's just, you know, the, the fact is our

eggs in Brazil are orange.

on the inside.

Here they're pale yellow.

The chicken, the chicken there is juicy and it tastes like chicken.

Here it's kind of like dried cardboard.

You get a chicken breast and it's like, yeah, it doesn't have really

any good flavor to it because we pack all these chickens together,

we give them a whole bunch of antibiotics, steroids, yet in Brazil

they don't do any of that stuff.

And so it's just the difference between the fruits when you put them

in your mouth and they explode and the fruits here you put them and

it's obvious, but it happens with every traveler who leaves the United

States, if you go to France or any of the European Union, because they

don't use any of the toxins and those and their food chain either.

Or South America almost entirely is out of that loop because they

don't let DuPont, Dow, Monsanto, any of those guys in there.

And you sit there and you get, eat the food and you just realize what

a difference has it changed in the last 30 years in the United States.

And food is your best medicine.

If you don't have good quality food, you're not, you're not

doing what you need to do to keep yourself healthy.

I mean, that's the first line of therapy against everything bad.

yeah, every day and I can relate I remember going spending some time

in Spain even Morocco had chicken there Yeah, the eggs are all yellow

The chicken tastes completely different because it was farmed

right there in Moroccan Yeah, the house and property had cut off

and cooked and it was amazing.

Yeah,

You can, you can still get that quality food here in the

United States, but you have to know where to purchase

absolutely.

And one of the things we'll do is make sure you have a link so that

all your readers can come in to get our guides, because we have

guidebooks regarding how to clean up your water, how to clean up

your food, how to clean up your air, how to clean up your house,

how to clean up your consumer products, because you don't need,

most people don't need plasma exchanges, which we'll talk about,

but what they do need is knowledge.

Yes Yes, That's what took you out of retirement, not to burst

the bubble here, but you know, we have a toxin crisis and I've

learned it a lot from you, but I mean, let's just flip on any

kind of media at this point.

It's being talked about big media, small media, all of the above.

So tell me about, I read a stat and I think it was from you, but also

I've checked it in other places.

It's like 144, 000 different toxins that are in our

environment.

we're over 150, 000 now in our environment, and we're over 200

billion tons of chemicals dumped in America alone every year.

Jeez.

So what

Take in that, take in that number for a minute.

200 billion tons.

2 billion tons that, that,

200 billion tons of chemicals are used in the United States

on our farmlands every year.

I think it was our last chat.

You talked about how it was like the middle of America,

but it's expanding out and it's that what you're speaking

I mean, if we're talking about the pesticide herbicides, it's,

it started in the, in the Ohio Valley, Mississippi Valley,

and now it's gone worldwide.

If you're talking about the industrial chemicals, like

the PFAs, that started on the coast and it's going inward.

So, it really depends on which toxin you're talking about,

on how it got distributed through the United States.

But, you look at the statistics in the world, uh, most

polluted countries, the United States, China, and the UAE

are one, two, and three last.

We're dead last.

So what do we do about that?

I mean, that's a loaded question, of course,

Well, I mean, they, what we have to do about that is get

knowledge around so that people start understanding what Stephen

Hawking said before he died.

Stephen Hawking was interviewed about a month before he died, and

they asked him, what is the most existential threat to mankind?

Is it AI?

And he said, no.

They said, climate change?

No.

Nuclear war?

No.

What is it?

He goes, pollution and our stupidity to it, and the problem is we passed

that milestone ten years ago.

In other words, he's right.

About 2015, things changed.

And the level of toxins in our environment came to

be such a point that now everybody in America is toxic.

Even the government will admit that when they talk

about the forever chemicals.

99 percent of people have a forever chemical.

That's a PFA.

PFA's are things like, things that make things

non stick and non greasy.

But the problem is it's a chain of carbon, uh, carbon atoms

with a fluoride on the bottom.

And the thing about it, you can't break it down.

That's impossible to break.

That's why it makes it so slippery.

And once it's in you, you can't get rid of it.

It's forever a chemical in you.

And up to this point, even on the CDC website, talking

about PFAs, they say there is no way to get them out.

The best we can do is avoid putting them in, but there's now

200, 000 PFAs in our environment, and that's gone up from 5,

000 in the last four years.

Oh my gosh.

So we know.

slowing down.

I would imagine.

Right.

It's, it's actually ramping up.

And that's the problem is in the next 10 years, we're gonna double

the toxicity of every American.

Now, we did a study in Chicago of 500 healthy people between

the age of 45 and 70, and we measured their toxins.

Half women, half men out of a hundred of the most common toxins.

Now get this, we can only measure a hundred out of 150,000.

Okay?

So we're measuring one less than one 1000.

of a percent of the, of the whole thing, or sorry, one 10th

of a percent of the whole thing.

Um, and the average number of toxins in people 10 years ago was three.

The average number of toxins per person now is 13 of a hundred

that they have in levels that are considered higher than optimum,

you know, whatever, optimum, optimum zero, optimum zero.

These ranges have changed in the last 20 years because every

time the government measures the scale they up the numbers and

now that becomes a normal range.

But if we compare the numbers of today from 40 years ago,

everybody is like super toxic.

that's the part that I'm trying to get out to the message to people

is you don't know what toxins you have in you because you know what

the first symptom of toxins are?

what is it?

Cancer.

They're toxic.

Alzheimer's, uh, heart attack, as your first symptom is a disease,

Yeah.

Bad one too.

Yeah.

It

and a bad one.

I mean, it's like, I have, that's why we're seeing the

cancer in the 50 year olds that we've never seen before.

And these cancer are highly aggressive out of the gate.

is there a common type of cancer that you're seeing pop up earlier?

The gastric cancers are the ones that are, we

started seeing the most.

Now, three years ago, the government put out a notice that

we're starting to see gastric cancers, stomach, esophageal,

colon, in people under the age of 50 that we'd never seen before,

and they're much more aggressive.

There were four cancers they listed.

The next year, they listed 17 cancers that are much, and this

year they're going to be listing about 36 cancers, and the number

is going to keep going up because toxins are inducing gastric cancer.

Every sort of cancer.

Because toxins are, by nature, carcinogens.

it's, it's almost like there's, yeah, I'm thinking of like

entrepreneurs like us and the ones listening, watching, we optimize

so much in our life, you know, and, and that's kind of where

we, like, we get so sucked into let's, let's make it better,

or let's solve these problems.

But this is an invisible threat that we are living in.

We're.

It's, how do we, it's, it's so hard to overlook this,

but we just don't see it.

So it's,

I find it so difficult as well, you know?

But there's a hundred percent.

I mean, 40 years ago, we used to talk about hypertension being

the silent killer because people didn't take their blood pressure.

People really didn't know.

Then we talked about diabetes being the silent killer because

people had low grade because type 2 diabetes didn't exist 60 years ago.

Really?

It's been a phenomenon of the last 60 years.

Which is probably also linked to the toxins as well.

But, and then we talked about diabetes being the silent killer.

But now we know people measure their blood sugar.

So the common thread between an unknown threat becoming a

known threat is measuring it.

And that's what people aren't doing yet.

They're not measuring their toxins.

If they measure their toxins, then you can act.

so describe how things are measured.

Cause I know MD lifespan, you and your, your whole team,

you have a test for this.

The toxin test.

I know you also have a, I don't know if you even want it.

Let's describe it.

But I also want to quickly just tell people, here's a way to go get it.

Uh, but lay the scene.

What is it?

How does it work?

Toxin testing, you can test anything.

You can test your saliva, your blood, your urine,

your stool, your hair.

There's, it doesn't really matter which way you do it.

Just with, make sure that you do a validated lab

and you have a reputant.

I can list a dozen different ones.

Now, we have a test that's listed on our website that gives you

109 different of the most common toxins of the whole spectrum.

And we're talking about PFAs, and we're talking about heavy

metals, mold toxins, phthalates, phenols, volatile chemicals.

You get the whole broad spectrum that you can do with

a simple urine test at home.

You get up, you pee in the cup in the morning, you send the tube

off, four weeks later you get a report with 110 different toxins.

I mean, that's easy enough.

So maybe

you're gonna find out.

You're gonna

I'm like, I'm going to report back.

I'll probably time it out.

I'll either put it in this episode as an intro or

splice it in something.

I'll be sharing my results as long as I'm not super frightened by them.

Um, I try to live well, 150,

The average number of toxins, the average number of toxins in the

Chicagoland area was 13, with 5 of them being in the above 95th

percentile, and 8 of them being in the 75th percentile above it.

So, anything above 75 percent is where we start talking about

you're in the upper percentiles of these level of toxins as

compared to other Americans in the world, or in the United States.

But there's a difference also between looking at the various

toxins, because some toxins are worse than other toxins.

The toxins that are carcinogens and the ones that cause oxidative

stress and mitochondrial damage, they're by far the worst.

But there's also ones that mess with your hormones, there's ones

that burn cellular membranes, there's ones that, you know, there's

just a whole, that's why we call them toxins, because they're bad.

Now, it's really important to understand that 20 years ago, The

toxicology world only talked about you had mercury toxic, or you had

PFA toxics, or you had a mold toxin.

They never talked about what was, there were some people back then

that were calling about multi chemical sensitivities, MCS.

Um, they were like, eh, that doesn't exist.

Now, it's here.

Nobody has just one toxin anymore.

Nobody.

Everybody has a dozen or more.

And the problem is, to get out one toxin you have to do this, and to

get out another toxin you have to do that, and it's a long, laborious,

drawn out procedure, and then you have to follow one type of treatment

by another type of treatment, and that's what became overwhelming

for everybody in the toxicology world is We have this multi toxic

world now, with people having multi toxins, and understand, let

me give you a real quick example.

Would you rather be attacked, um, by a 5 foot, or by a 5 foot

guy, or by 150, 000 3 foot guys?

Would

000.

have 150,

No doubt.

3 foot guys?

No!

Come on, you can take out, you can take out one guy, you're

never gonna take out 150, 000

that's what I meant.

That's what I meant.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it's nothing, there's just that.

And that's what we're dealing with today.

We're not dealing with you having one toxin.

We're dealing with you having a little bit of all of them.

And that's what everybody has now.

And that's what we call a toxic burden.

We stopped talking about mercury toxin and mold toxin.

What we talk about, people, now is what's your toxic burden?

Because a little bit of this, a little bit of this, a little

bit of this, a little bit of this adds up to a lot of crap.

Uh huh.

Uh

And it all acts synergistically against your body.

Got it.

Okay.

And, and there was never one way to take them all out until

we came up with our protocol.

And now we have them discovered and patented and we're branching out.

We came up with a protocol that virtually safely, effectively,

minimally, evasively, and universally removes all toxins.

So, if you're afraid that you're going to get Alzheimer's because

you have toxins or Parkinson's, we can get rid of them.

If you're afraid your DNA is that you're going to get cancer

and you're worried about your toxins, we can get rid of them.

I mean, we can do all these things.

You got heart disease in your family, and you know that toxins

and microplastics, did you know that if you have microplastics in

your arteries, which one out of two out of three guys do, your risk

for heart disease goes up 450%?

I, I was actually gonna bring up microplastics because I did not know

that artery and that's a two thirds of men or what is that everyone, uh,

has

Two thirds of everyone has microplastics in their artery,

which is increasing their risk for heart disease by 450%.

and heart disease is number one killer currently.

Correct.

Correct.

Correct.

Correct.

Although the Alzheimer's and the cancers in the world are coming up

fast because we're not seeing heart disease yet in the younger people,

although it will be coming because of the obesity and everything, but

we are seeing Alzheimer's at a 400 percent increase in the group under

50, and we're seeing the cancers at a huge increase, especially

the gastrointestinal cancers.

At a rapid rate that we can't even keep up with, even though cancer

therapies are prolonging people's lives, and we're getting better at

treating them, and people are older.

These cancers that are occurring in these younger people

are not the same cancers.

These are highly aggressive stage four terminal cancers

that are presenting terminal.

Yeah.

There's no other way.

the, and this is the part that I tell everybody, go get your, I

mean, this is the first time ever the United States government, and

ever, dropped the age requirement for colonoscopies to 45, because

we were missing so many people between the age of 45 and 50, and

then they dropped mammograms to 40.

Because we're missing so many breast cancers because of all

the BPA and all the other, uh, estrogen blocking hormones.

I mean, this is, people, and if people like, you know, autism,

here's another thing that they talk about all the time.

Autism used to be 1 kids back in 1960.

It's now 1 in 36 kids today.

And they're saying that's because we're, that's because

we're diagnosing it better.

Bullshit.

That's because the most susceptible person on the

planet is the unborn child.

You expose the unborn child.

We know that on average the unborn child is exposed to 270

chemicals and they have, they have microplastics in their

first poop, their meconium.

So we know that these toxins get across the barrier.

On a child that's in the developmental stage.

Does this even surprise you anymore?

I don't know if surprise or anger is a better word.

I get frustrated when I, when, when, when it's like,

people, this is the data.

And they're like, well, it's not the toxins.

Well, what else could it be?

And the answer is, you know, until, but until recently, until we came

up with the process of removing toxins, now we can actually start

doing studies to see how prevalent the toxins are in causing this,

because to do a study, you gotta do two of one, one of two things.

Take two healthy groups and make one group toxin and watch them

going forward, which is unethical.

We're never going to do that.

Or.

Take two groups that are toxin, make one toxin free, which we've never

been able to do before until now, and then watch them go forward.

Now we can start doing the studies on moving these things

forward to show how dangerous the toxins are to every individual

on every different plane.

is just, it's a, it's a threat.

It's this invisible threat, but it comes in many

forms like you described.

I mean, it's literally in every piece of our environment.

I mean, and so

let's remember, Joe, blood pressure used to be an invisible threat.

Diabetes used to be an invisible threat.

It's invisible because we didn't measure it.

Hmm.

Yes.

There

It's not an invisible threat.

We can measure it now.

We can tell you what your microplastics are.

We can tell you what your heavy metals, what your,

uh, what your PFA is.

We can tell you all this, and then we can tell you how to keep

yourself clean, or if you need to, how to do plasmapheresis.

to get rid of this.

Now, the one thing that our group did, and I'm working

with 27 of the best national authorities on toxicology and

functional medicine and apheresis.

I got some of the most brilliant minds from Harvard and John Hopkins

and from all, and we're all working together on this project because

we see the potential in this.

We see the potential for the first time in our lifetime to reverse

the toxic threat on people.

And what we're noticing with our protocol, because our protocol is

more than just plasma exchange, it's plasma exchange with.

avoidance and supplements and nutrients and other things that

we have to do to optimize people's well being and because of that

we can for the first time ever give people a chance to proceed

forward without the risk that these chemicals are posing on everyone.

That's right.

So in the first episode, I know we talked a lot about

the avoidance side of toxins that that was a big one.

And you could revisit that.

I'm curious if you could just like, because there's the avoidance side,

but that obviously doesn't do what's already inside of you, you know,

and I want to then kind of turn the table and really go into what

your plasma exchange protocol does.

So let's start with the avoidance side, just high

Well, I mean, the right, the right inside real high level

is filter your water, filter your air, clean your food, get

rid of the chemicals and look at all your consumer products.

And we'll have links for you.

People can go on to our website and download all these guidebooks.

Because what we want to do is show you these simple steps for less

than 5, 000 if you did all of them.

It's going to clean up your environment incredibly well.

And prevent you and your kids and your loved ones from

getting sick down the road.

yes, that's good.

that's, that's the big thing that we try to teach everyone.

So the plasma exchange is something that is a little frightening to

people because a lot of people haven't heard of it before.

Plasma exchange is simply an oil change for humans.

Now, if you want to get an old car clean that hasn't been, you

know, upkept for a while, you change the oil, put new oil in,

run it around the block for a couple weeks, change, take out the

dirty oil again, put new oil in, run it around the block a couple

weeks, and keep doing this whole thing over and over until the oil

starts running clean, correct?

Yep.

Yep.

That's it.

Now some of your younger kids may go, What do you mean oil change?

But that's how you do an oil change on a car.

And that's what you do before you do anything else on an old car.

Is you just keep changing the oil until you get it clean.

That's exactly what plasma freezes is.

You come into the office, you're here for a couple hours, we put an

IV in, Just like a plasma donation, we separate the blood into two

components, the cells and the plasma, which is the liquid part.

We throw the liquid part away, we give you a different liquid

part called albumin, we give it back to you, and then within

24 hours, you, your body, your cells, makes new, fresh, non

toxic, non inflammed, pure plasma.

And we basically gave you an oil change.

And then we let you go run around for about four weeks, and then we

bring you back and we do it again.

And then we let you go out for about four weeks, and you

come back and we do it again.

We do that three to five times, depending on how toxic you are.

And that's what plasmapheresis is.

It's been around for 50 years.

It's used for 167 different disease states.

People are like, why didn't I never hear about this before?

Because it's not a primary therapy for anything.

We use it for a third and fourth line therapy for things

like Guillain Barre, which is a paralyzing that comes from a

virus, or long COVID is the most common one, or autoimmune problems.

That's most commonly what we use plasma exchange for.

And also, it's very important to realize, when I'm talking about

plasma exchange, I'm talking about plasma exchange with albumin,

not with somebody else's plasma.

So we're giving you a commercial product, we're not

giving you a blood product.

And that's what I was gonna ask is can you define what albumin is?

I looked it up.

I want to hear from, from you here.

Albumin is the most common protein that you have in your body and

it's a carrier for a bunch of stuff because your body, your blood is

water and there's a lot of things that are fat that float around

and they can hide inside albumin so the albumin protects them so

they can float through the river.

But albumin also grabs toxins and it wraps itself around them so that

it doesn't interact with the body.

So it's also

shielding it in a way.

It's what we call sequesters.

It kind of hides it away and traps it.

But it also directs it into fat cells and tells the toxins to

get out of the way and hides them in different places too.

So albumin is an incredibly important protein to people.

Now, the albumin that we use is commercial albumin.

So it's somebody that gave plasma, but it's been stomped

on and purified and radiated and everything killed.

And all we're giving you back is essentially the human protein part.

So that's also what we call osmotic.

So it means it sucks in water and it keeps the vascular space

open until you make enough plasma the next day that you replace.

Like I said, Joe, this procedure is safe.

minimal side effects.

Um, it's been around for 50 years.

There's a machine and people can go to our YouTube page or our LinkedIn

page and they can see the whole video of what the machine looks like

and what the whole process is like.

Because you know, you walk in and you hear this big whirling

machine going on behind you like, wow, what's going on here?

You know, your blood's leaving your body and get clean to come back in.

But it's a real simple procedure.

Matter of fact, I just had my fourth one done about two days

back, a little bruise here.

and a little tiny bruise here, um, because I was the first

patient two years ago that went through the process.

Wow.

I had 17 toxins above the 75 range.

After three different plasma exchanges plus our

protocol, I was down to six.

Six months later, I was down to four.

six, a year later, I was down to three.

And then this one, two years, I'm at two years now, I'm down to two.

But the two that were remaining were PFA's, the forever

chemicals, which don't come out short of plasmid chain.

So we were training some new nurses because we have six new

centers coming, uh, going live.

And so they're trained here in Chicago.

And so I volunteered to be one of the dummy guinea pigs.

We'll get you on that next time.

I would love to.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

I'm like, I will be getting this treatment.

So I'll report back that as well.

And it, I mean, I'm just thinking of what this can do.

We mentioned microplastics, you know, removing those from arteries.

I mean, just, you know, I can almost visualize that, you know, just the

idea of microplastics and like, oh, this can actually remove them.

So, but obviously there's way more toxins than just microplastics

floating around there.

In all honesty, if you're, hey, Dr. Savage, name the top five

toxins that you're afraid of.

Microplastics are number one.

Okay.

they're linked to everything bad.

Um, they come in all different sizes.

They go down to the DNA size, what we call nanoparticles.

And so they're interfering with the DNA.

They're at its particle size, so they're causing inflammation.

They act as invaders, so they're suppressing the immune system.

I mean, they act on all sorts of different levels.

On every single level, they're bad for yourselves.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I'm sure there's many toxins within the

microplastics themselves,

right now we can measure nine different microplastics, um, and

there's thousands of different microplastics in the universe.

Gotcha.

Yeah, I started to learn about this from you guys and working with you.

Yeah, and and I had What idea living well aqua true, you know,

they I had one of the represent.

Yeah Helen from there.

She was

Which is, which is, which is, which is one of the ones we recommend.

If you, if you have an above the counter one, get AquaTru, because it

really does remove the vast majority of the toxins and you, I get, I

only drink out of stainless steel.

You got your stainless steel, hard rubber top.

Um, this is clean canteen.

Um, And we have a triple filter reverse osmosis here in the office.

I have one at home.

I have one in Brazil and that's all and I go everywhere with my water.

I don't drink water because water is your number one toxin nowadays.

Number one.

Wow.

food, the food is next and then your environment air in your house

is third and people don't realize that you're the air inside your

office and the air inside your home is 500 times, 500 percent

worse than the air outside.

Is that just because cycling through all of the different things

that's passing through machines?

partly because we use chemicals in the house and they stay on the

floor and the walls and the and then they slowly seep off into the air.

The other part is every fabric has chemicals like phthalates

and and they just slowly.

Hmm.

stink up the air around you too.

Then there's the mold and mold spores and mold seeds

and they just circulate.

There's everything in your house.

You close up your house.

You crank up the heat and now you're in a sweat box with chemicals.

You're literally sucking them into your body with all the heat and

the way that you're increasing the surface, you know, the surface

tension and the absorption of your skin by dilating all the veins.

And you're just, and you're breathing it in.

It's all respiratory.

You're swallowing it.

It's going through your gut.

And I tell people all the time, if you're going to do anything.

And you can't afford much, buy a HEPA filter for your bedroom.

Because at least that's eight hours of your day in one room

that you're going to be in.

So that's, if you're going to, only can afford a HEPA for one

room, put it in your bedroom.

You got two, you can afford two, put the other one in your office.

Hmm.

Hmm.

And, and whenever you can, open the doors, open the doors, open

the windows, and air it out.

Because the air outside is safer than the air inside.

Hmm.

That's a great takeaway right there.

I'm going to go buy a couple more filters.

How about filters?

I actually moved mine from my room to my infant at the time.

But yeah, she's a one year old now.

I'm like, okay, got to give you the fresh air.

So let me give you the real exciting news of what we're doing.

We've got some really good developments in the last two months.

We've now taken the plasma procedure, because we don't

do just plasma change.

We teach people avoidance, we have supplements, we

have different medications.

That makes it 200 percent better than just plasma change alone.

And we have the data, it's going to be published here very shortly in

a peer reviewed, um, major journal.

We're looking at probably next month that we have three articles coming

out on heavy metal, microplastics, and environmental toxins.

Thanks.

But what, what our group did is, okay, now we got the toxins out.

We know it causes Alzheimer's.

We know it causes brain dysfunction, neurodegenerative disease.

Why don't we take some patients, and why don't we

take the toxins out, and then why don't we start doing some

regenerative therapies afterwards?

Here's how it works.

All of these neurodegenerative diseases are basically a

fight, a battle that's going on inside, let's say, the brain.

over toxins versus your immune system, with your brain cells

being the damaged collateral.

But as long as the battle's going on or the fire is raging,

the healing can't take place.

The foresters don't go in to plant the trees when

the trees are on fire.

That's why this, all you get is this degeneration.

We've known from a study in 2020 on Alzheimer's, that they gave

people TPE with Alzheimer's, and 62 percent of them did not progress

in their disease for over a year.

It basically stalled the progression of Alzheimer's.

We don't even have a drug that does that at this

point.

but but they do have it with a serial plasma exchange.

So we based our protocol on that, plus the supplements and

neuropeptides and other things that regenerate the cells afterwards.

And we've had six patients so far that we've improved

their memory score over 40%.

Memory score.

Wow.

So literally bring it back.

They're co, they're, they're cognition.

We do it by what's called a CNS vital sign.

It's a validated test where we measure your cognition, your

verbal memory, your visual memory, your motor skills,

all these different things.

And we've seen a 40% improvement in neurocognition flexibility,

executive function, and memory,

Wow.

So if we're talking about like just entrepreneurs

listening, I mean, this is like a total performance reboot.

only do we know that taking the toxins out will slow the progression

and onset of the disease, early in the disease we appear to have the

ability to remove these toxins, turn off the fire, repair the

cells, and we're a year out, and our gentleman who's a year out just

did his CNS vital score with an 18 percent further improvement in his

medical, uh, in his memory score.

Now, this is observational data, but we have this for cognitive decline.

We've taken six patients with early cancer markers.

We've reverted all of them to negative within three treatments.

We've taken people who have HIV and their CD4 counts are falling under

400 on medications, and we've been able to increase their CD4 counts

to 700 by just doing plasma change.

We've taken, so we've taken people with early heart disease or not,

sorry, advanced heart disease who are maxed out on their medicine

and still progressing because of inflammation and oxidation.

We've been able to neutralize that and show regression

in the soft plaque.

Okay.

So not only can we stop the progression and the threat of

toxins early on, it looks and it appears from our observational data

that we can actually reverse the damage once we turn the toxins off.

Disclaimer, this is all observational data on our patients,

and we are, however, the great news, we've just been approved for

our research arm, it's a IRB, uh, IRB, non for profit, so we have a

company being set up where people can, will, people will come and

donate, we have, we need about three million dollars to prove

that we can reverse early cognitive decline, which we know we can do.

We need 2.

7 million to prove we can remove toxins from all the moms before

they get pregnant with their kids.

We need 2.

6 million to prove that we can get toxins out of

everybody at every stage.

I mean, it's the amount of money needed to look at these disease

states for the first time ago.

We have a solution here.

It's going to cost a couple million dollars.

We're very excited because we have a lot of people looking

to contribute tax free dollars to this, this research arm.

Um, the data is compelling.

We have a data research company that published all of our data

out of the university of Chicago is the off branch of them.

I don't touch the data.

It goes to them.

They do all of our analysis.

They do all our paper writing.

They've been studying Alzheimer's and heart disease for 40 years.

They have said publicly that they've never seen changes.

That we've been showing in the last two years, in the area of

heart disease and Alzheimer's.

We have a neurologist from Jacksonville who's a very well

known, with a very prestigious football team, who said he's

never seen these kind of reversals in his patients.

We got a cardi, we have three different cardiologists that are

saying they've never seen changes like this, and what we're doing

with their people with, um, end stage, uh, cardiovascular disease.

We have HIV doctors who said they'd never seen anybody like this, where

we've increased their CD4 counts and doubled it within about four

months and a year later, these people are still at these levels.

We have an obstetrics doctor who has publicly said she is

absolutely certain we remove the toxins from mom, you're

going to have a toxin free baby, which, what does that mean?

Maybe it means less autism rate, less ADHD, less,

uh, spectrum disease.

We all think that this is, we're think we're on to something huge

here, because if the toxins are the cause of chronic inflammation,

and they are, once you remove them, you turn off chronic inflammation,

you turn off chronic inflammatory diseases, which is everything bad.

Inflammation's horrible.

Yeah, that is the thing.

And you can do as much as you can with food, and you should.

But when you're

But if you don't get the toxins out, you don't turn off the fire.

This is what we've known for a long time.

I can give you supplements, antioxidants, and anti

inflammatories, which negate the inflammation and the oxidation,

but it doesn't take care of the fact that the toxins are

there, causing the damage.

man, yeah.

way to do that is to get the toxins out, and then the inflammation

and oxidation go away anyway.

I was gonna ask you, hey, do you have any, uh, you know,

big transformation, you know, things that we could You

just gave me about 20 or 30.

I don't know how many of that was, and I'm so excited about

the nonprofit side of testing, because I think that's going

to help get the word out.

I mean, if you're, and if anyone listening, watching, I

mean, go, go find, you know, go reach out to MD lifespan.

com.

And you know, if you want to get involved, I'm just saying this

Well, I'll, I'll point them to the not for profit.

That's a separate organization that's managing the donation

and the, the research funding.

I don't have anything to do with that.

I'm the guy that they pay to do the plasma change, but we're doing

it at, we're doing it at a not, not profit at this point because

we just want, our physicians, our, like I said, we're opening six new

centers in the next two months.

We have 20 centers that we're doing in this, this whole year.

And our whole group has dedicated themselves to make sure.

We're a public benefit corporation, by the way.

That's how serious we are about serving the public.

We will not make a profit, we will serve the public.

This is, so many doctors and so many centers, we

don't want to make a profit.

We want to show that we can make an impact for the first

time in our life on the greatest existential threat to

mankind, which is the toxin.

So, I have just a group of doctors who are real, I'm

excited and thrilled to be able to say we're part of something

here that nobody's ever been, that nobody's ever seen before.

Oh, yeah.

Well, and this is why, I mean, partially self, I just want

to see you on more podcasts.

I want to see on more media because of what you're talking about.

And I'm just going to say right here, because you know, if

you, if this is landing with anyone listening, cause I know

a lot of you are watching, have your own media and, and.

This isn't something that's just a, you know, this is a

medical topic where this is like, why does he have them on this

entrepreneurial business show

or humans?

yeah.

Three of the top mold doctors in the country now recommend

MD Lifespan for their patients who have mold toxicity.

I mean, so it's like, and these are the people that for years

were told, uh, it's not real, you don't have it, you're just

tired, you're just malingering.

And I used to be one of those docs 30 years ago.

They used to tell these people, yeah, this is bullshit.

Uh, and now I look at all these patients, I've seen them for

30 years and I realized how wrong we were to classify them.

And whether it's mold toxicity or people with chronic Lyme's or

people with chronic infections, the problem with those, most of the

people like with the HIV patients is their immune system has been so

crippled by the toxins that they can't mount the proper defense.

And there's plenty of research out there to show this is true.

There was, there was a study where they gave people arsenic

and then, uh, 90 days later, 90 percent were better.

They gave them lime, 90 days later, 90 percent were better.

They gave them lime and then arsenic.

90 days, 90 percent were better.

But then they gave them arsenic and then lime and 90 days

later, 90 percent of them are sick with chronic fatigue.

Because once the arsenic knocks out the immune system and then

you give them an infection, that's the setup for chronic fatigue.

And you won't get people out of chronic fatigue, infectious chronic

fatigue, by just treating the lime.

You gotta treat the toxin first, because that's what came first.

Uh, okay.

And I'm sure that's the storyline for all these toxins, you know, is

For all these toxins, the toxins come first, and then people

get an immune suppressant.

The toxins come first, and then they get cancer.

The toxin comes first, then they get neurodegenerative.

Here's the magic sentence.

Toxins take you out where your DNA is the weakest.

So if your family history is cancer, that's what the toxins

are going to do for you.

If your family history is Alzheimer, that's what the

toxins are going to do for you.

If your family history is heart disease, that's what

the toxins They're going to expedite, because that's what

chronic inflammation does.

the, the expression of that disease in

Yeah, because there's uh, you know in my family and also my

wife's family there are a couple markers that and After working

or as you know, as we've been working together and every I keep

listening and thinking and learning I'm like we both need this, you

know the plasma exchange and and I mean, there's just so many

other folks I just have no clue.

This is even possible.

Honestly, Joe, you may or may not need plasmic change.

It depends on what your toxic level and what your DNA is, but

you don't know unless you measure.

There you go.

That, that's the point.

I mean, it's just like you might need diabetic

medicine or diabetic therapy.

You might or might not need medicine for your blood

pressure or different.

You don't know until you measure it.

The message I want to make sure all the entrepreneurs here for

everybody who cares about their family, loved one, and every about

them is go get your toxins tested.

I don't care where you can come to our website.

We have a very comprehensive test.

Plus it involves 30, 30 minutes with one of our doctors.

Yeah.

Staff members, not nurses.

We get our doctors to talk to you for 30 minutes about

what that means for you.

Hmm.

Got

But you don't know until you measure.

So everybody go measure yourselves.

I'm getting mine done.

I'll report back.

And, um, and I know there's a, there's a little special deal that

your team is working on as well.

Yeah, always for your team.

Always for your team.

There's going to be a code that they'll be 100 percent off or 100

off that, whatever that code is.

My, my, my team works great with you.

Yep.

Thank you.

Yeah.

And uh, it's either shown on the screen, probably there,

and it'll be linked up.

It'll be easy to find.

So jump on that.

There might even be a, a limit, who knows?

But either way, um, Savage and the, and the crew are hooking you up.

I'm curious, what's the bigger vision of what you

can tell us with MD lifespan?

Because obviously it pluck the, out of retirement, it's

only becoming more of a thing.

It's in the media.

What's driving you, let's say, for the next decade, if you feel like

that's, be hyped up in that one.

I'll be honest with you, this is not my first startup.

This is my third.

I expect to be here about another two years before we're taken over

by somebody bigger because I'm not going to be able to carry

this as an individual or my team as an to where it needs to go.

Where does it need to go?

It needs to end up in traditional medicine so that every obstetrics

doctor has an aphrodisiac center for the women who need it.

Every cardiologist has an AFERI center for their

heart patients who need it.

Every neurologist has an AFERI center for all of their cognitive

issue patients who need it.

Not everybody needs plasma exchange, but if you have high toxin levels

and a significant DNA, or you have high toxin levels and you're

already showing inflammation, oxidation, or, worse yet, you

have high toxin levels and you're already showing the symptoms of a

disease, You probably need plasma change because we don't have

that much time to mess around.

We have to reverse that before it goes further.

So our goal and all the doctors that we're working with, and

we're into 170 some odd doctors at this point, with 26 of them

as advisors, is we all are going to be Take all this research, all

of our effort to change people's lives so that we can show that

we can put this into a process that becomes more affordable.

We can do it quicker.

We can do it better.

We can do it faster.

We can do it cheaper so that the people that need this.

Medicare is going to pay for it because the government

put us into this problem.

The government need we need to as a population because we're all

responsible for not electing the right people To keep us out of

this problem So we need to take care of the people who we put into

danger And that means we think we probably can get this whole

process down considerable amount But we're going to need, but

we're going to, but we're going to need numbers and we're going

to need population to change so.

Why do I know this can happen?

Because in 2000 I was behind the group of doctors that was working

on testosterone to get it out of the anti steroid act into the hand

of guys who had low testosterone, which we did successfully.

But we did it because the public was behind us.

That's what changed everything.

Awareness is the whole key here.

Talking to your population, your entrepreneurs, getting

them so they're talking to their employees, their, their cohorts,

so we can all start working together with acknowledging

that we have a problem.

And as Stephen Hawkins said, we passed that milestone

10 years ago, in 2015.

And so we're already behind.

Everybody's toxic.

And if you're not taking care of this problem today, I promise you,

it will take care of you tomorrow.

And not in the way you want.

it's true.

Yeah.

And this is

But if you look at, if you look at the statistics just

in the cancer from 2 to 17 to 30, it's escalating up.

Next year it's going to be higher.

We don't have a lot of time moving forward here before this

becomes overwhelming in America.

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay.

Well, so here's the thing.

I'm going to, I'm going to ask you one more question,

but I want to direct people.

Definitely go to MD lifespan.

com because there are, you know, and of course I have the links

below and all that, but yeah, Your website has a ton of information.

You know, you can see that.

There's a cool video actually on the whole oil change concept as well.

And so many other things that you guys do.

So go check that out.

Uh, And I want to ask you, like, is there a question that I have not

asked you during this, this chat here, or the previous one that you

feel like is the most crucial for people to really understand about

this whole toxin crisis, something that we might've missed here.

No, I think you've done real good.

I think a couple of the myths I always talk about is number one.

Nobody has just one.

Everybody has a lot.

So it's not like I have mold toxins.

Sure you do.

Plus you have other things.

So we need to get out of this.

I have this toxin and that toxin for the people to know and understand.

We're all multi, we're all multi chemicals at this point.

Number two, if you don't know your numbers, you don't know the danger.

And that's the step that everybody has to do.

Number three, even if you don't know your numbers, go protect yourself.

Spend the time, it's not a lot of hard reading, we give you directed,

like the Aquatru, the rain salt, we will tell you these are the

ones we know from Consumer Reports or from our clinical trials that

work in providing protection for you and your loved ones.

Do that now, no matter where you are.

Got it.

And, and finally, the last one is if you got questions,

go to the website, schedule a call, talk to one of our docs.

We're there for you.

There's no charge for the call.

We just want to be able to provide to the consumer, to the

other, to our friends, to other entrepreneurs, the answers that

they really need to understand.

We're a very data based oriented company.

Um, we believe in the numbers, but we believe in

the numbers to help people.

Dr. Paul Savage.

I'm so happy that you've come out of retirement and you've

done this whole startup.

I know it's not easy and you know, I've, I've worked with

a crew and I know you guys are busted, busted ass all the time.

I mean, everybody is.

the thing is when I had this, when the universe gave me this idea.

It's not like I had a choice, Joe.

Yeah.

I mean, I sat there and realized that, Oh my God, I know how

to get rid of the toxins.

I know how to get rid of it.

And that was something we've been struggling with for 30 years.

And suddenly I knew the answer.

And it's like, yeah, I'm just going to pretend I didn't have

that thought and go on living.

It's like, it wasn't going to happen that way.

It seriously wasn't.

I went to my husband and said, Hey, we got to do this.

He's like, yep.

Then I called my marketing woman and I said, Hey, she goes, I'm on board.

And I called my tech person.

I'm on board, called my finance people.

They're like.

Can you do this?

I said, I'm absolutely, I mean, I've been sure on

the other stuff I've done.

I've never been so sure as I am on this project, on the, on the

timeliness, the effectiveness.

We have done nothing but exceed our expectations every step of the way.

We are on the right track.

We have a solution that we can provide to people, we just need

to get further down the road with the research, uh, with the

numbers, we need the support of the government, we need the support

of entrepreneurs everywhere, but the best thing I want to do

is just increase the awareness.

That's what we need.

Yeah.

You'll get it.

You are getting it.

And I think, uh, you're riding the wave at the right time

where people are starting to be open to the concept as well.

And, um, inserting yourself in there as a complete game changer.

I mean, that's how it's been ever since I've learned

about it more and more.

So there you go.

I'll urge everyone again, follow, follow the path.

We've already shattered out a bunch of times and, uh, it's up to you.

It's your choice.

All right.

So, all right, Dr. Paul, I appreciate you so much.

I'm happy we did this again and I'm likely do it again

because all these updates, man,

Do your test, do your test, do your test, it'll

I will, I'm

reporting back.

it'll be revealing.

All right.

Thank you.