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Matt Edmundson: Welcome to this
week's Crowd Church service.

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We are a digital church on a
quest to discover how Jesus helps

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us live a more meaningful life.

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We are a community, a space to explore
the Christian faith, and a place

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where you can contribute and grow.

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Our service will last about an
hour, and in a few seconds we

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will start with a time of worship,
after which you will meet Jesus.

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Our hosts for our service who
will introduce today's talk.

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After the talk, we head into Conversation
Street, where we look at your stories

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and questions that you've posted in the
comments throughout the live stream.

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I want to invite you to connect with
us here at Crowd Church, and there are

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a few ways that you can do just that.

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Firstly, you can engage with Crowd
from any device during our live

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stream, and if you're up for it.

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Why not invite a few friends over
and experience the service together?

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You see, church is all about connecting
with God and connecting with others.

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And one of the easiest ways for you
to do that is to also join one of our

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mid week groups, where we meet up.

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Online together to catch up and discover
more about the amazingness of Christ.

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You can also subscribe to our podcast
called What's the Story, where we

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deep dive into stories of faith
and courage from everyday people.

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More information about all of these
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be found on our website at www.

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crowd.

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church.

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www.

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crowd.

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church or you can reach us on social
media at crowdchurch if you're new

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to crowd or new to the christian
faith and would like to know what

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your next steps to take are well why
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church forward slash next for more details

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and now the moment you've been waiting
for is here our online church service

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starts right now Now, well, hello
and welcome to Crowd Online Church.

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Great to see you.

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Great that you're here with us.

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Uh, for those of you don't know
me, my name is Matt Edmundson.

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I get to be part of the team here and
beside me, probably more importantly,

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uh, is Jan, Jan Birch and Jan,
your first time hosting Crowd.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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You're in the driving.

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Well, I'm in the driving seat.

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You're in the passenger seat.

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How does it feel?

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Jan Burch: Yeah, scary.

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Matt Edmundson: Yeah, well, when
you've got people like Matt Crew in

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the comments, there's plenty to be
scared about, isn't there, really?

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So, uh, very warm welcome to you.

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Do say hi to Jan, uh, if
you're in the comments.

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Uh, if you're watching us live,
do come say hi in the comments.

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It'd be great to hear from you.

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Um, yeah.

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And it's also Remembrance Sunday.

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We were just saying that, weren't we?

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Uh, yes.

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Um, I've not had, uh, I'm a
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getting the live stream ready.

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For reasons which I won't bore
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bit rushed and so I've not had a
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One of which is...

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The minute silence that
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So I will try and resolve that
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Um, but yes, Remembrance Sunday.

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We're going to talk about that probably
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So just to acknowledge that it is
Remembrance Sunday, pop your Sunday today.

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For those of you outside of the
UK, uh, Remembrance Sunday is

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like, um, uh, Memorial Sunday,
what do they call it in the States?

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Memorial Day?

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I think it's Memorial Day, isn't it?

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Uh, we call it Remembrance Sunday.

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It's where we remember the.

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The ones that have gone before us and,
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and all that kind of stuff so that we
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Um, so yeah, Remembrance Sunday, we've
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Nicola or evening Lala, as we like to say.

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Hi Nicola.

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I've got Matt Crew in the comments.

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Hi Matt.

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Matt's saying here, look, I can add
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welcome to the Crowd Church family, Jen.

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Thank you very much.

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And Denny's actually, he's,
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look, he's put Jan Birch, legend.

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Jan Burch: Yeah, don't
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Matt Edmundson: no.

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I'm sure it is.

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I'm sure it is, Jen.

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But yes, do say hi in the comments.

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So tonight, I've not prepped
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you do know what's coming up.

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I do.

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What's coming up?

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It's Chris Holcombe.

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The Right Reverend, Chris
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he's not a Right Reverend at all.

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Doctor Chris, in fact he's gone
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Oh, is he a professor?

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I've no idea, but you don't call him
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So in the UK, if you're watching
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is when you're a doctor, you're a
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But then you, and you know this because
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a while you stop being a doctor and
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Jan Burch: the more senior you are, yeah.

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Matt Edmundson: is bizarre.

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It's mainly to do with surgeon, surgery.

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Um, medical doctors tend to be
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or Miss.

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Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

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So you, you work really hard and
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Jan Burch: Mr.

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All that hard work.

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Matt Edmundson: It's
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Um, so yeah, Jenny's in the comments.

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Hey Jenny, how you doing?

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Good to see you.

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Uh, always nice to see you.

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Chris Holcombe because he has, he's gone
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a very good, he's a very good surgeon.

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So, we've got Chris Holcombe tonight
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I was going to say story.

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It's not a story.

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Uh, in our journey through the book
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Um, Evening, Matt, still feeling
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Now, I'm assuming, Jenny, I'm going to
put this on the broadcast because I can.

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I'm assuming you're talking to Matt Crew.

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Because Matt Crew, who is always in
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I want you to know he is
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The man who is constantly ragging
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age is now officially ancient.

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He's now into his 40s.

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Jan Burch: Life

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Matt Edmundson: begins then.

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Apparently so, apparently so.

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Uh, but yes, uh, I won't put
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Uh, but yes, happy birthday to
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here at Crowd Church, obviously.

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Now, without further ado, let's
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So we're going to have a talk.

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Chris is going to, uh, talk
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We've been working our way
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We are very near the end now.

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Uh, we're going to end
the end of Jan, Jan.

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Oh, okay, Matt.

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So at the end of Jan, we've
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So Chris is going to take
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Jan and I will then be back
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Chris has done his talk.

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So don't go anywhere.

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Do join us in the comments, write
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Uh, any stories, anything you want
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We'd love to see it.

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Uh, Jan and I will see you in
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Chris Holcombe: Hello, it's a pleasure to
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Matt Edmundson: Oh, sorry about that.

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We're going to try Chris
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Chris Holcombe: Hello, it's a pleasure to
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Acts chapter 19, a chapter full of
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and Paul's missionary journeys.

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Let's start reading from the message
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Paul made his way down through
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happened on some disciples there.

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First thing he said was, did you receive
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Did you take God into your mind only?

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Did he get inside you?

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And, it's absolutely key this, the
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So, faith, Christianity, is
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It's not something that's theoretical,
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A nice philosophy, but rather this is
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you, this is something that's going to
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going to pursue, something that will
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We go on and read in verse 4,
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Preached a baptism of radical life
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ready to receive the one coming after
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If you've been baptised in John's baptism,
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You're ready for Jesus.

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And, it's that readiness now of,
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Now it's your heart.

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Now, now you're ready for Jesus to
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When Jesus was still on earth, Jesus
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and in John 14 Uh, verse 25 in the Gospel
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Spirit, whom the Father will send at my
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And it's that same Holy Spirit that
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we read about at the beginning of Acts,
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room, into a bunch of people who changed.

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The world as we know it.

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So a Holy Spirit that gives boldness,
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and again reading from the message,
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counsel, clear understanding, simple
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acts, proclamation, distinguishing
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Gives us those gifts, gives us fruit,
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says again from the message, the Holy
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exuberance for life, willingness to
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in the heart, a loyal commitment.

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And if we know God, if we've been
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we've taken the Holy Spirit into our.

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It's that same Holy Spirit who we
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along there on a Monday morning.

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It's the same Holy Spirit who we take down
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with our friends, to the football, to that
family gathering, because we are filled

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with the Spirit whether we like it or not.

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This is the Spirit.

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Given when Paul laid hands
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And Christianity isn't
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It's not just a nice philosophy, but about
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mind, our soul, driven by the Holy Spirit.

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And that what, that's
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To who we are, what we do and, and it's
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So going down the chapter a little
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curiosity about Paul developed
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How do we make that link, or how do we
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So people might like me, they
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they might be curious about me,
but how does that point to Jesus?

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How does that lead to reverence?

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For the Master Jesus.

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First is who we are, how we behave.

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We will all be familiar with the
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And so it is.

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And this is the very foundation
of Being able to say anything

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because people are watching.

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Friends, colleagues, they're all watching.

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They're watching what we do,
how we behave, the people

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at work, our neighbours.

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Are you honest?

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Do you gossip?

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Do you do what you say you will?

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Do you care, really care?

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Do you demonstrate grace and, and what
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actions lay the foundation of his words.

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So, so we see him, uh, in the meeting
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that's backed up by his actions.

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We read in verse 11, God did
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quite out of the ordinary.

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And he was healing the sick,
and things that had been in

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his possession healed the sick.

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need, and see God move supernaturally.

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Because what we might consider
more mundane things are also

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quite out of the ordinary.

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And actually that's really important
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life, our whole life faith, at work,
in the neighbourhood, with our friends.

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So actually showing grace
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fail is out of the ordinary.

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Forgiving relatives when they mess up.

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Demonstrating agape love, that love
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return from those to whom we are loving.

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And at one level these things are
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these are quite out of the ordinary,
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secular world in which we live.

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And it is as we demonstrate being a
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the second part, so we can, we can speak,
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Our actions, our behaviour opens the way
to discussion of our faith, to sharing

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its joy, to sharing its hardships, its
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We simply will not be heard.

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And again, that's capsulated in the
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in verse 18, we read, Dear children,
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but with actions and its truth.

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there's power, that there's reality.

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So, let's pause for a moment.

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Um, we've heard the good news of
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mind, but it goes further than that.

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We're then filled with the Holy
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our heart is changed, our behaviour
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different, which gives us the opportunity
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And at least potentially to be heard.

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It's easy to portray the gospel
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and fluffy like a big, big hug.

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And there's elements undoubtedly of that.

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But, but it's also, but it's,
it's all, it's not always that.

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For everyone, and for those,
not always that, for those

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who hold power and influence.

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Changing how things are done might be
great for the poor, for the less well

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paid, but that has the consequences,
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Being honest, exposing untruth,
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will not be welcomed by those
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influence, those who lose money.

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They're not going to be happy.

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And they're not going to go quietly.

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And so it is in Ephesus, where
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Demetrius is the local
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So, business going on with the idols
he's creating, and he sees Paul having

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this influence, but very quickly
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sees his profits disappearing.

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So, so stirs everyone up.

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Um, we have to stop this.

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Everyone knows Artemis is
our God, but you know, we...

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We have to stop it, but of course it's not
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and that's, that's very often the case.

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And, interesting reading this,
uh, again, uh, looking at

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this account of the, the riot.

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I was struck how much the account in Acts
sounds like a modern day Twitter storm.

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Everyone getting involved,
everyone wading in.

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In verse 32, again in the message read,
some were yelling one thing, some another.

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Most of them had no idea what was
going on or why they were there.

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That, it sounds very much like that
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And those who are losing out, are
going to kick that off, they're not

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going to go easily, and that can be
difficult, that costs, but doing the

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right thing, is the right thing, and
it's what God asks us to do, it's

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what God expects us to do, and there
will be many, many around you at work.

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In your neighborhood who will
be very grateful for that.

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But again, there are those who
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will kick up a storm in response.

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So in conclusion, we see faith.

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We see Christianity.

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It's not just this or that.

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It's about this and that.

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It's not just about your mind or
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And your heart, working together.

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It's not just actions
or words, but it's both.

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It's action and words,
one built upon the other.

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It's not just about being nice
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calling out injustice, but both.

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It's about love and forgiveness
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all of that powered by God's Holy Spirit.

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Thank

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Matt Edmundson: you.

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So, welcome back.

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Big thanks to Chris Holcombe
for doing that talk.

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Uh, it's, um, it's, doing these talks
always requires a bit of effort and a

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bit of time and a bit of forethought.

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Uh, and so super grateful that
Chris took the time to do that.

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You, you took lots of notes.

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I did.

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Uh, lots and lots of notes.

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Now, what we're gonna do, before
we get into Conversation Street,

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hopefully, uh, let me just do this.

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I am going to just queue
up the video, he says.

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Hopefully this is going to work.

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I'm going to queue up the
video for Remembrance Sunday,

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which is in here somewhere.

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So whilst I'm doing that, you
just talk about one of the things

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that you enjoyed from the video.

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Jan Burch: Okay.

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Um, I found, I found it very challenging.

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Matt Edmundson: Chris
is always challenging.

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Jan Burch: It's like he is.

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You know, very calm manner, but
packs a punch, you know, in the, so

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I found, I found it challenging from
the very beginning about, is God,

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have you taken God into your mind
only or is he in your heart also?

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It's like.

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Okay, yeah, you're like,

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Matt Edmundson: thanks.

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Jan Burch: Thanks, Chris.

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Yeah, it's just

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Matt Edmundson: challenging.

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Yeah, yeah, we'll get into that.

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So what I want to do now, let me go back
to this scene here and back to live mode.

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So hopefully those changes, you didn't
see me playing around with the system.

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Hopefully that was all fine day.

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So what we're going to do, because it is
Remembrance Sunday, So what we're Uh, we

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are just going to take a few moments to
remember those that have gone before us,

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and to do that, we're going to play the
video, uh, called The Last Post, which

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is the theme, I only explained it on the
video, so we're going to play that, we're

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going to have a minute's silence, um, then
we're going to have the rails, then Jan

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and I will be back after this, Uh, it is
Remembrance Sunday here in the UK, a few

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seconds, a few minutes to remember those
who have given the, well given a lot,

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uh, whether it's their life, uh, whether,
uh, it's just been a little part of their

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soul, you know, uh, and they've come back
very different people in modern times, um,

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but a lot of people are doing, fighting a
lot of conflicts around the world for our

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freedom and so, uh, it's time to remember
those, especially with all the wars that

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are going on in, um, Israel, Gaza, we've
got Russia, Ukraine, we've got, um, Sudan.

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I mean, there's crazy stuff,
uh, going off around the world.

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So let's spend some time
remembering those that have gone.

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Let's spend some time remembering
those who have, who are in conflict

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at the moment and pray for peace.

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Um, and then John and I
will be back after this.

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Hopefully this works fine.

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Everyone's president is me.

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Okay, welcome back.

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Uh, hopefully that works, uh,
from a technical point of view.

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Sorry again for not checking that.

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Now I just want to read this.

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On this Remembrance Sunday, we stand in
a solemn congregation, bridging the past

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and present in our collective memory.

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We remember not only the brave
souls of a bygone era, but also our

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contemporary heroes who have faced
the harrowing crucibles of conflict.

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Many did not return, leaving a part
of themselves on distant battlefields.

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Others came back forever changed, carrying
invisible yet indelible marks of war.

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Today we honour their courage, their
resilience and their immense sacrifices.

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We remember those who stood valiantly
in the face of adversity, fighting for

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the freedoms we so clearly cherish.

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And we acknowledge the profound cost of
such bravery, not just in lives lost, but

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in futures altered and in dreams deferred.

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We will remember them, not just
as a phrase, but as a solemn

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pledge to recognize all who
have given so much for so many.

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On this day, our gratitude is deep
and our remembrance resolute, spanning

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across all generations of heroes.

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And so it is, I, I am, a fan
is the wrong phrase, Jen.

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I do like to take a bit of
time on remembrance and date,

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um, just to remember those.

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And so, shall we pray and then
we'll get into Conversation Street.

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Do me to pray?

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Yeah, you pray.

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It's your first Sunday after all, don't
want to throw you in the deep end.

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Yeah, Father, thank you for those who
have given so much, whether it was

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their life, whether it was just they've
left part of them on the battlefield.

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Um, and Father, thank you for those
that have fought for our freedoms.

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You know, many wars are unjust and some of
them are just, and People are always hurt.

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People are always scarred
on both sides of the fence.

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And Lord, we pray for peace at this time.

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We remember the conflicts that
are going on around the world.

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And as we remember some of the wars
from the past, we also remember the

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wars that are going on at the moment.

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And Lord, we pray for your intervention.

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We pray you would intervene.

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We pray for wisdom, for leaders.

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We pray for bravery for
those who are involved.

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Uh, encouraged to do
what is right and just.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Very good.

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And on that note, we will
get into Conversation Street.

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So.

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Are you singing Coronation Street?

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I was

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Jan Burch: because it's very similar.

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Matt Edmundson: Yes, it is very similar.

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And for those of you don't know
what Coronation Street is, you might

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as well, you might have to explain

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Jan Burch: that.

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Coronation Street is a soap
opera, um, a show in the UK,

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which has been going for Years.

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All of my life.

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At least 21 years.

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I

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Matt Edmundson: think Noah
was in the Coronation Street.

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Some of the early, some
of the early episodes.

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Enid Sharples.

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Well, so yes, uh, Coronation Street.

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I don't recommend you watch it.

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Nah,

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Jan Burch: it's a bit depressing.

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Matt Edmundson: It's a little bit
like most soap operas to be fair.

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Yeah, fair enough.

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That was a bit random,
Singing Coronation Street.

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I've not had that before,
but that's awesome.

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Okay.

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So, we definitely need a theme
tune for Conversation Street.

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It's got to be that.

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I'll get Josh to write one.

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We used to have one, um, what was
that theme tune we used for Catch It?

468
00:31:53,809 --> 00:31:54,650
Maybe we could use that.

469
00:31:54,670 --> 00:31:55,210
I'll find it.

470
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:56,600
We'll find that out.

471
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:58,439
I'll get Josh to sort it out.

472
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,650
So yes, Conversation Street.

473
00:31:59,930 --> 00:32:04,590
So, what did you think to Chris's talk?

474
00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:09,280
Uh, you started off by saying that
you thought it was very challenging.

475
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:09,620
It was

476
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,900
Jan Burch: very challenging and I thought
you did, you know, it was excellent.

477
00:32:14,530 --> 00:32:20,580
Um, yeah, just the whole thing to
start with, you know, that we have to.

478
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:26,990
It's not just a one off thing when you
first become a Christian, um, but our

479
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:33,850
minds sometimes can take over our hearts,
you know, that our heart can disengage.

480
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,950
Um, I will, I know that for me,
um, some, some things are head

481
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:44,830
knowledge and, you know, you have
to push through for the heart.

482
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:45,270
Yeah.

483
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

484
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,320
It's interesting, isn't it?

485
00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:51,970
The longest distance is from here to
here, so I can't remember who said it,

486
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:54,200
but somebody said the longest distance
is from your head to your heart.

487
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,220
And actually getting something
in here, versus just here,

488
00:33:00,030 --> 00:33:02,460
is really hard to do, right?

489
00:33:02,889 --> 00:33:07,560
Um, but it's where the challenge,
it's where the life changes, right?

490
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:09,320
This is, this is where God dwells.

491
00:33:09,610 --> 00:33:13,250
Um, God also dwells in our minds, he helps
us, you know, we have We have the mind

492
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:16,590
of Christ, we have the wisdom of Christ,
it's not like we take God out of our

493
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:22,310
thinking, but there is something about a
heart change in Christianity, isn't there?

494
00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:23,610
Absolutely, yeah.

495
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:27,240
That is, that is quite extraordinary,
and that's where the Holy Spirit,

496
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:32,489
it seems, uh, operates most
effectively is in our hearts.

497
00:33:32,769 --> 00:33:34,300
What heart changes have you experienced?

498
00:33:36,170 --> 00:33:38,740
Jan Burch: Yeah, a lot, lots
over the years, I would say.

499
00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:40,310
Um, I think...

500
00:33:41,315 --> 00:33:48,835
I think when I first got married, um, I
was, I was challenged, uh, quite a lot.

501
00:33:48,855 --> 00:33:57,735
I think I had prejudices that I wasn't
aware of, um, and was frightened of maybe

502
00:33:57,735 --> 00:34:04,755
certain, certain people groups or not, not
traveling or anything, but there was some

503
00:34:04,765 --> 00:34:09,615
things or looking into other religions,
you know, I was, I was quite sceptical.

504
00:34:09,615 --> 00:34:10,115
I was very...

505
00:34:12,410 --> 00:34:17,760
Um, but I'm not, I'm not advocating
it, but I'm just saying, it's

506
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,810
okay, we're safe, it's okay to,
to ask questions and, you know,

507
00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:24,850
Matt Edmundson: so that's an
interesting one, isn't it?

508
00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:29,460
Because I think a lot of people
struggle with that aspect of

509
00:34:30,510 --> 00:34:35,180
the ability to question and the
ability to search as a Christian.

510
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:37,210
It's like, well, surely
I should know what it is.

511
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:39,449
Um, and people really struggle to.

512
00:34:40,095 --> 00:34:44,415
To have that sort of freedom, uh, you
know, almost like God's going to get them.

513
00:34:44,705 --> 00:34:45,915
Yeah, absolutely.

514
00:34:46,005 --> 00:34:46,355
Do you know what I mean?

515
00:34:46,365 --> 00:34:48,235
And it's, uh, it's not
healthy at all, is it?

516
00:34:48,295 --> 00:34:48,655
No.

517
00:34:48,965 --> 00:34:49,145
And

518
00:34:49,145 --> 00:34:53,155
Jan Burch: if God doesn't, if someone
in church will, you know, it's,

519
00:34:53,685 --> 00:34:55,835
it's legalistic, it's fear based.

520
00:34:55,835 --> 00:35:00,625
And I think God is, you know, it's
God who gives us our minds, our

521
00:35:00,985 --> 00:35:06,985
spirits, our personalities, and
he knows, he's, and he's secure.

522
00:35:07,715 --> 00:35:09,095
With us asking questions.

523
00:35:09,095 --> 00:35:14,015
You know, he'd rather that than us
do things without fully understanding

524
00:35:14,015 --> 00:35:16,350
or embracing it, you know, properly.

525
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:16,990
Yeah,

526
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:17,790
Matt Edmundson: yeah.

527
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:20,885
It's in, you read through the book of
Psalms and there's David just asking

528
00:35:20,915 --> 00:35:22,565
thousands and thousands of questions.

529
00:35:22,565 --> 00:35:24,755
Mm-Hmm, God seems okay with that.

530
00:35:25,505 --> 00:35:27,965
You know, uh, church sometimes isn't, um.

531
00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:33,310
But God on the whole is, uh, and
I think asking those questions

532
00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:35,130
is, um, is totally fine.

533
00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:39,410
Uh, what's Matt put here, please don't
sing, we can't afford the royalties.

534
00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:41,750
Okay.

535
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,250
Uh, head knowledge of God is
quite easy, but, uh, having God

536
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,470
in your, uh, I'm guessing that's
heart, uh, is coming up there.

537
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,540
So yeah, let's put that on the broadcast.

538
00:35:55,485 --> 00:35:59,775
Had knowledge of God is quite easy,
but I, uh, I find, but having God

539
00:35:59,785 --> 00:36:03,225
in your heart, I'm imagining is what
Nicola is going to say there, um,

540
00:36:03,325 --> 00:36:05,185
is not always as straightforward.

541
00:36:05,185 --> 00:36:05,845
Have you found that?

542
00:36:06,545 --> 00:36:11,174
Jan Burch: I have found that, um,
I think, I think we, you know,

543
00:36:11,174 --> 00:36:14,924
we're very, um, professional
about being Christians sometimes.

544
00:36:15,654 --> 00:36:16,824
I love that, yeah, yeah, yeah.

545
00:36:17,284 --> 00:36:20,964
That we can go through the motions,
can't we, without really...

546
00:36:21,455 --> 00:36:25,005
You know, it's just a decision.

547
00:36:25,005 --> 00:36:26,685
It's just something we have to do.

548
00:36:26,775 --> 00:36:27,095
Yeah.

549
00:36:27,235 --> 00:36:32,665
Um, but we can remain
untouched by by things.

550
00:36:32,685 --> 00:36:37,224
And yeah, so I don't think
that's, that's how it should be.

551
00:36:37,835 --> 00:36:39,884
I'm not saying that we
should be emotional.

552
00:36:41,285 --> 00:36:43,125
You know, wrecks every day or

553
00:36:43,875 --> 00:36:44,345
Matt Edmundson: that's good.

554
00:36:44,355 --> 00:36:45,105
Because I don't think I

555
00:36:45,105 --> 00:36:46,294
Jan Burch: could do that.

556
00:36:46,295 --> 00:36:46,639
But yeah, that's it.

557
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,620
I think it takes, you know,
we're, we're one person, but

558
00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:52,890
we're made up of different parts.

559
00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:56,180
And it's, it's opening the
door to all of that, isn't it?

560
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:56,470
Yeah,

561
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:56,840
Matt Edmundson: it is.

562
00:36:57,380 --> 00:37:00,180
I love that so many people
are professional Christians.

563
00:37:01,609 --> 00:37:02,010
Jan Burch: It is,

564
00:37:02,010 --> 00:37:02,380
Matt Edmundson: isn't it?

565
00:37:02,449 --> 00:37:02,729
Yeah.

566
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:03,680
Have you seen that a lot?

567
00:37:04,769 --> 00:37:05,139
Yeah.

568
00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:11,770
So how do you, if head knowledge is
easy, which is something Chris was

569
00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:17,985
talking about, Um, but heart knowledge,
uh, having God in your heart is because

570
00:37:17,985 --> 00:37:21,694
it's, it's, it, like you say, it's
easy to go, yeah, well, you know, I can

571
00:37:21,705 --> 00:37:24,055
mentally ascend to God doing dot dot dot.

572
00:37:24,415 --> 00:37:27,314
But when there's a heart change
required, that's where we wrestle.

573
00:37:27,314 --> 00:37:29,534
So how, how do you get
it from here to here?

574
00:37:30,075 --> 00:37:30,685
Have you done that?

575
00:37:31,164 --> 00:37:35,545
Jan Burch: I think, I think
it's got to be, um, trusting God

576
00:37:35,555 --> 00:37:40,035
and, um, you know, spending time
with him when you know someone.

577
00:37:40,965 --> 00:37:47,115
You're more likely to trust them and
be prepared to take that next step.

578
00:37:47,285 --> 00:37:49,155
Yeah, um, yeah.

579
00:37:49,845 --> 00:37:50,734
Matt Edmundson: No, very true.

580
00:37:50,825 --> 00:37:52,825
When you know someone, you're
more prepared to trust them.

581
00:37:53,365 --> 00:37:55,615
And, uh, here we go.

582
00:37:57,380 --> 00:38:00,810
Let's read the rest of what Nicola's
put here, so, uh, had knowledge

583
00:38:00,810 --> 00:38:03,190
of God is quite easy, but having
God in your heart is a completely

584
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:04,930
different thing and place to be.

585
00:38:04,930 --> 00:38:06,970
Yes, that's true, I can put that on there.

586
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:11,220
Um, yes it is, and I think, um, it's
worth the time and investment to

587
00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:16,070
do that, and, um, allowing the Holy
Spirit to do that transforming work.

588
00:38:16,070 --> 00:38:20,420
And so this is where, uh, we get back
to what Chris was talking about, because

589
00:38:21,150 --> 00:38:27,135
actually he was, he was bringing up those
scriptures, like 1 John 3, 18, about Um,

590
00:38:28,035 --> 00:38:33,765
uh, Christian faith, not just being words
only, but actually also based on action.

591
00:38:33,765 --> 00:38:36,405
So there's, there's what we say
and there's what we do and those

592
00:38:36,535 --> 00:38:37,674
two things have to marry up.

593
00:38:37,695 --> 00:38:38,015
Right.

594
00:38:38,525 --> 00:38:41,724
And this is where I think your comment,
coming back to it, the professional

595
00:38:41,724 --> 00:38:45,294
Christians, this is where professional
Christians struggle is because what

596
00:38:45,294 --> 00:38:46,515
they say and what they do don't.

597
00:38:47,295 --> 00:38:47,605
Yeah.

598
00:38:47,665 --> 00:38:48,115
Marry up.

599
00:38:48,145 --> 00:38:48,755
Don't marry up.

600
00:38:48,755 --> 00:38:49,005
Do they?

601
00:38:49,615 --> 00:38:50,895
Whereas, um.

602
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,290
What we do and how we act has
got to tie into our words.

603
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:02,810
So, um, and this is, this is probably
the hardest thing because this is,

604
00:39:02,830 --> 00:39:05,130
and this is where Christians get
called hypocrites a lot, right?

605
00:39:05,549 --> 00:39:09,789
So, we may profess to be a Christian
and I think the example that Chris

606
00:39:09,819 --> 00:39:14,250
gave, was, uh, giving grace to
people when they, when they mess up.

607
00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:16,110
And you leaned over to me and
said, Oh, you don't do that.

608
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:23,489
Jan Burch: No, I didn't, Matt.

609
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:25,399
Matt Edmundson: In a jokey kind
of way, I was going to say.

610
00:39:28,170 --> 00:39:30,260
But it is, it is one of
those things, isn't it?

611
00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:32,500
It's like, yes, we are Christians.

612
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:37,450
Yes, we believe God, but,
um, I also have my right to.

613
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,460
Have my pound of flesh from that
person over there if they didn't

614
00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:45,900
do what I said, um, and so it's,
uh, that's where head knowledge

615
00:39:45,980 --> 00:39:47,550
and heart start to wrestle, right?

616
00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:53,879
Jan Burch: Definitely, and, um,
I think it's called integrity.

617
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,179
That's true.

618
00:39:56,479 --> 00:40:03,170
You know, it's, it's okay being one thing,
but you, you know, you've got to be that

619
00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:08,470
when the, you know, when you're paying
your You know, window cleaning bill, um,

620
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:13,200
whatever's going on, you know, when you're
in the car and the person in front of you

621
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:21,129
didn't indicate and, you know, things like
that bug me, but we should be the same

622
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:21,830
Matt Edmundson: person.

623
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,550
We should.

624
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:23,079
We should.

625
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,609
Yeah, I really need to make note of
that because I'm definitely not the

626
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:26,799
same person when I drive sometimes.

627
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,800
Okay, well that's just

628
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,150
Jan Burch: not good enough.

629
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,550
Matt Edmundson: It's so true.

630
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:35,240
My daughter looks at me sometimes
and questions whether I'm

631
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:36,440
actually a Christian when I drive.

632
00:40:36,955 --> 00:40:38,955
Uh, which is not, I mean,
it, you know, it's not great.

633
00:40:38,955 --> 00:40:43,425
I joke about it, but, um, uh, you know,
it's, it is one of those things where.

634
00:40:44,165 --> 00:40:47,725
You're right, the way we are
in every aspect of our life, we

635
00:40:47,725 --> 00:40:49,745
want it to mirror the gospel.

636
00:40:50,005 --> 00:40:53,845
I do think sometimes if Jesus was
driving a car, he would have a, he

637
00:40:53,854 --> 00:40:55,085
would have a word with a few people.

638
00:40:55,835 --> 00:40:56,055
Of course,

639
00:40:56,974 --> 00:40:57,964
Jan Burch: there's righteous anger.

640
00:41:00,395 --> 00:41:02,124
Yeah, I don't think that's
what you're talking about

641
00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:06,134
Chris Holcombe: then.

642
00:41:06,135 --> 00:41:09,544
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, probably is, but
it's fair play really, it's fair play.

643
00:41:10,265 --> 00:41:10,905
That is fair play.

644
00:41:11,115 --> 00:41:12,065
But it's interesting, isn't it?

645
00:41:12,065 --> 00:41:16,645
This, I think it's, there's this
really interesting analogy that I

646
00:41:16,645 --> 00:41:19,705
heard once, which I think is so true.

647
00:41:20,305 --> 00:41:24,695
And that is, when the pressure
is applied to us, what's on

648
00:41:24,695 --> 00:41:26,295
the inside comes out, right?

649
00:41:26,305 --> 00:41:30,240
So The analogy was a squeezy
ketchup bottle, right?

650
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:33,510
It's not until you turn it upside
down and squeeze it that you find

651
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:34,650
out what's really on the inside.

652
00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:38,240
You could have, you know, a ketchup
label on the outside, but it's not

653
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,240
until the pressures applied that you
find out what's really on the inside.

654
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:43,600
And with Christians, I find it's the same.

655
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,610
We, we say we are Christians
that, you know, blah, blah,

656
00:41:47,610 --> 00:41:49,930
blah, and all of this stuff.

657
00:41:49,930 --> 00:41:51,730
But when the pressures applied to us.

658
00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:56,430
When we get squeezed a little bit, what's
really in us starts to come out and

659
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:03,640
quite often what's in us is not ketchup,
it's, um, it's, and it's really not

660
00:42:03,649 --> 00:42:08,909
good, and it's, and we know what comes
out of us because of what we say, right?

661
00:42:08,909 --> 00:42:12,879
So, um, out of the abundance of
the hearts, the mouth speaks,

662
00:42:13,099 --> 00:42:17,029
Bible tells us in Proverbs, and so
it's in those precious situations.

663
00:42:17,029 --> 00:42:19,989
It's how you talk that you kind of go.

664
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:24,220
That's a real indicator of maybe
something inside that needs to change.

665
00:42:24,530 --> 00:42:30,510
So if, um, you know, I might moan
when somebody cuts me up, but I,

666
00:42:31,299 --> 00:42:38,119
I'm, what I am really aware of is if
anything slightly hateful or hurtful

667
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:39,369
starts to come out of my mouth.

668
00:42:39,715 --> 00:42:42,785
That's when I'm kind of going,
God, I, there's something in here

669
00:42:42,785 --> 00:42:45,535
that needs to change inside me
because that's a heart thing.

670
00:42:46,165 --> 00:42:50,014
Um, and so when the pressures are
applied, uh, that's when we find

671
00:42:50,014 --> 00:42:51,355
out what really, really makes us.

672
00:42:51,355 --> 00:42:57,004
And this is where behavior, um, has
to match what we believe, right?

673
00:42:57,004 --> 00:43:01,765
So, um, what we say and how we
act is super, super important.

674
00:43:01,955 --> 00:43:02,365
Of course.

675
00:43:03,045 --> 00:43:07,774
Jan Burch: I, I think, um, you know,
what Chris said as well with that.

676
00:43:08,305 --> 00:43:12,555
Whether we like it or not, when we, you
know, when we profess to be Christians,

677
00:43:12,555 --> 00:43:17,175
when people that we work with know that
we're Christians, they are watching

678
00:43:17,175 --> 00:43:23,175
us, and your neighbours are watching,
and your family who aren't Christians

679
00:43:23,525 --> 00:43:30,135
are watching you, and it seems a bit
unfair, but that's the way it is, and

680
00:43:30,175 --> 00:43:36,324
um, I used to really struggle with
this at work, um, I've never with it.

681
00:43:36,725 --> 00:43:42,625
I've never been someone who's swore a
lot or anything, it wasn't that, but it

682
00:43:42,635 --> 00:43:50,414
was some days, you know, work is just
tough, it's tough, but I, when I was a

683
00:43:50,424 --> 00:43:57,775
young Christian, I kind of felt that I, I
didn't want to be a bad witness, so I felt

684
00:43:57,785 --> 00:44:02,045
like I had to always be happy, always be.

685
00:44:02,585 --> 00:44:08,145
Um, on things always, you know, on time
or blah, blah, blah, all good things,

686
00:44:08,545 --> 00:44:16,595
but actually there, you are a human being
and I think we will all get it wrong.

687
00:44:16,604 --> 00:44:17,885
We will lose our temper.

688
00:44:17,885 --> 00:44:19,164
We will get impatient.

689
00:44:19,175 --> 00:44:26,305
We will be sarcastic, um, or gossip,
you know, uh, okay, but I think it's.

690
00:44:26,375 --> 00:44:31,705
Then recognizing that and
saying I messed up there.

691
00:44:31,785 --> 00:44:37,155
Yeah, and I've sometimes apologized
to work colleagues for being impatient

692
00:44:37,185 --> 00:44:43,564
Not saying, you know, it happens
all the time, but I think it's okay.

693
00:44:43,565 --> 00:44:44,565
We are human.

694
00:44:44,694 --> 00:44:50,345
Yeah, we are gonna blow it You know, yeah,
um, but I think it's also important to be

695
00:44:50,345 --> 00:44:53,565
humble enough to say I'm really sorry You

696
00:44:53,565 --> 00:44:55,245
Matt Edmundson: know,
totally totally agree.

697
00:44:55,645 --> 00:44:56,925
It's really powerful, isn't it?

698
00:44:56,935 --> 00:45:03,890
That I think sometimes it's when I've
gone back to people and apologised, that

699
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,310
actually becomes the most powerful words.

700
00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:06,230
Yeah, absolutely.

701
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,199
Because people go, well, yes, you are
human, no, you're not perfect, but

702
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:14,760
the fact that you're big enough to
come and apologise, that says a lot.

703
00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:15,630
Absolutely.

704
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:16,019
Do you know what I mean?

705
00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:16,410
Yeah.

706
00:45:16,570 --> 00:45:22,525
Um, and I, I think, again, What was it
Chris said, the right, you do the right

707
00:45:22,525 --> 00:45:23,775
thing because it's the right thing to do.

708
00:45:23,835 --> 00:45:24,225
That's right.

709
00:45:24,255 --> 00:45:24,565
Right.

710
00:45:24,605 --> 00:45:31,845
And, um, and yeah, I, I think we, we,
so I, it's interesting how you put it,

711
00:45:31,854 --> 00:45:35,394
because you talked about how you felt
like you needed to act and be a certain

712
00:45:35,394 --> 00:45:42,725
way to be a good witness, like trying
to act and be something that we're not.

713
00:45:42,915 --> 00:45:43,095
Yeah.

714
00:45:43,105 --> 00:45:44,185
It's a big pressure.

715
00:45:44,595 --> 00:45:46,095
It's a massive pressure, isn't it?

716
00:45:46,135 --> 00:45:46,325
Yeah.

717
00:45:46,325 --> 00:45:50,830
And actually, um, And I was, I
think I was the same way for a long

718
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:53,860
time and it's, it's almost like
I had to protect God's reputation

719
00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:54,470
Jan Burch: somehow.

720
00:45:54,850 --> 00:45:55,640
Yeah, I mean?

721
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,220
Yeah, yeah.

722
00:45:56,310 --> 00:45:59,420
Matt Edmundson: And, um, and
actually as the older I've got,

723
00:45:59,420 --> 00:46:01,759
the more I've realized that I'm
not sure I was protecting anything.

724
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:07,259
To be fair, I think that probably I
was doing slightly more damage because

725
00:46:07,259 --> 00:46:10,020
people, because this again comes back
to the comment you made earlier about

726
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,430
professional Christians, you know.

727
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,370
Um, but I think.

728
00:46:15,485 --> 00:46:18,685
Um, and people, the other thing
is people look at it and go, well,

729
00:46:19,265 --> 00:46:22,375
you know, if I need to become a
Christian, I've got to live like

730
00:46:22,395 --> 00:46:24,744
that, I've got to be totally perfect.

731
00:46:24,785 --> 00:46:30,205
I can't, you know, I can't do drink,
I can't do drugs, I can't, I can't

732
00:46:30,205 --> 00:46:34,484
even take an aspirin, I can't sniff
alcohol, you know, I can only wear

733
00:46:34,484 --> 00:46:38,585
white, whatever it is, you know, whatever
those beliefs are, um, which are not.

734
00:46:38,855 --> 00:46:41,995
I mean, don't do drugs, obviously,
but the rest of it we could

735
00:46:41,995 --> 00:46:43,235
probably have a conversation about.

736
00:46:43,645 --> 00:46:49,174
Um, but it's one of those where I
think we give this impression to

737
00:46:49,175 --> 00:46:52,875
people that they have to be something
that they're not to be a Christian.

738
00:46:53,695 --> 00:46:55,575
And actually, God just
wants you, authentic

739
00:46:55,715 --> 00:46:56,135
Jan Burch: you, right?

740
00:46:56,135 --> 00:47:01,215
Yeah, because I think if we continue
down that road, we're setting people

741
00:47:01,215 --> 00:47:03,685
up to fail and it's very unattractive.

742
00:47:03,914 --> 00:47:05,625
Yeah, it's very unrealistic.

743
00:47:06,175 --> 00:47:11,095
Um, you know, I, I, you are what you are.

744
00:47:11,185 --> 00:47:14,645
Yes, we, I think we do have a, um.

745
00:47:15,785 --> 00:47:20,815
We do have a responsibility in how,
what language we use and, you know,

746
00:47:20,815 --> 00:47:25,375
if we're kind to people and that's
a choice that we make every day.

747
00:47:25,565 --> 00:47:25,885
Yeah.

748
00:47:25,995 --> 00:47:33,064
Um, you know, but those things are
really important, but we, you know,

749
00:47:33,064 --> 00:47:34,828
God, there's grace, isn't there?

750
00:47:34,828 --> 00:47:35,214
There is.

751
00:47:35,215 --> 00:47:36,525
God shows us grace.

752
00:47:37,235 --> 00:47:39,635
We can show it to other
people and ourselves.

753
00:47:39,685 --> 00:47:39,915
Yeah.

754
00:47:39,975 --> 00:47:40,405
I think.

755
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:44,400
Someone once said, um, you
know, if you treat yourself

756
00:47:44,410 --> 00:47:45,820
like you would your best friend.

757
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:46,240
Yeah.

758
00:47:46,350 --> 00:47:48,910
Because we can all be
so hard on ourselves.

759
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:49,420
Yeah.

760
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,769
Um, I, um, particularly
struggle with that.

761
00:47:52,779 --> 00:47:54,079
Are you your worst enemy?

762
00:47:54,090 --> 00:47:54,110
Yeah.

763
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:54,780
You're our worst enemy.

764
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:56,230
Oh yeah, absolutely.

765
00:47:56,359 --> 00:47:56,629
Mm.

766
00:47:56,890 --> 00:47:59,579
You know, call yourself stupid, don't you?

767
00:47:59,580 --> 00:48:00,990
Oh, what a flippid idiot.

768
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:05,940
And, um, we just have a, need a
bit more grace for, for ourselves.

769
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,240
Mm.

770
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:08,870
Um, yeah.

771
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:11,640
Matt Edmundson: I think that's one of
the works that the Holy Spirit does

772
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:16,240
in you, isn't it, is actually you,
it's really interesting that you, in

773
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:19,750
Christianity, one of the things that I,
one of the transforming works I think

774
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:24,310
of the Holy Spirit is you start to see
yourself the way the Holy Spirit sees you.

775
00:48:24,439 --> 00:48:24,689
Right.

776
00:48:25,139 --> 00:48:28,680
Now for me, this is what humility is.

777
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:29,110
Right.

778
00:48:29,110 --> 00:48:34,670
So, uh, I've heard people talk about
humility in a way that is basically

779
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:36,220
them talking down about themselves.

780
00:48:37,025 --> 00:48:42,425
So for me to be humble, I have to say
negative or bad things about myself,

781
00:48:43,105 --> 00:48:49,765
but I'm not convinced that's what
humility is, um, on any kind of level.

782
00:48:49,765 --> 00:48:54,144
Now I'm not, you know, the Bible says
we should think, think of ourselves, uh,

783
00:48:54,364 --> 00:48:57,285
soberly, not more highly than we ought
to, but think of ourselves soberly,

784
00:48:58,435 --> 00:48:59,805
which is probably a great expression.

785
00:49:00,295 --> 00:49:03,485
But humility is not me saying I'm rubbish.

786
00:49:04,335 --> 00:49:10,115
Um, humility is me saying, I
feel this way about myself, but

787
00:49:11,045 --> 00:49:13,015
that's not the way God sees me.

788
00:49:13,445 --> 00:49:16,154
So humility is seeing something
not as you want to see it,

789
00:49:16,154 --> 00:49:17,815
but seeing it as God sees it.

790
00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:18,555
Absolutely.

791
00:49:18,935 --> 00:49:23,145
You know, the example of going back to the
co worker, co worker, God would ask for

792
00:49:23,145 --> 00:49:27,445
you to give grace to that co worker, even
though you might want your pound of flesh.

793
00:49:27,855 --> 00:49:31,255
Well, humility is saying, not my
will, but your will be done, right?

794
00:49:31,255 --> 00:49:33,725
It's saying, God, I'll do it your way.

795
00:49:34,355 --> 00:49:39,114
But conversely, when it comes to
yourself, humility is not necessarily...

796
00:49:39,475 --> 00:49:42,145
Saying negative things
or bad things about you.

797
00:49:42,145 --> 00:49:44,036
Humility is saying what
God says about you.

798
00:49:44,041 --> 00:49:44,460
That's right.

799
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,175
Jan Burch: Do you know what I mean?

800
00:49:45,325 --> 00:49:45,505
Yeah.

801
00:49:45,505 --> 00:49:50,455
And I, I much prefer that I
actually annoys me when people

802
00:49:50,455 --> 00:49:52,885
are self-deprecating at times.

803
00:49:53,095 --> 00:49:53,125
Mm.

804
00:49:53,335 --> 00:49:54,415
And I, I can do it.

805
00:49:54,415 --> 00:49:57,355
That's what annoys me about myself.

806
00:49:58,195 --> 00:50:01,830
It's actually, you know,
it, it just doesn't.

807
00:50:02,485 --> 00:50:05,955
The atmosphere is not great when
people are saying, Oh, I'm so

808
00:50:05,955 --> 00:50:10,915
rubbish, um, I failed again, um,
you know, I can't do anything.

809
00:50:12,405 --> 00:50:15,545
Well, you know, it's, it's almost like
you've got to nip that in the bud.

810
00:50:16,005 --> 00:50:20,275
What you did wasn't the greatest
thing, but let's move on.

811
00:50:20,905 --> 00:50:22,215
You are actually great.

812
00:50:22,255 --> 00:50:27,985
You know, most of the time you
are kind, you're loving, you're,

813
00:50:28,424 --> 00:50:30,924
you know, you're very respectful.

814
00:50:31,484 --> 00:50:33,574
So it's getting it into perspective.

815
00:50:33,764 --> 00:50:37,465
And, you know, God, God doesn't
wash his hands of us, does he?

816
00:50:37,755 --> 00:50:39,895
When we, you know, very
grateful that he doesn't.

817
00:50:40,295 --> 00:50:40,745
Me too.

818
00:50:40,745 --> 00:50:40,795
Yeah.

819
00:50:41,415 --> 00:50:43,634
We wouldn't be here, would we?

820
00:50:43,635 --> 00:50:45,365
Matt Edmundson: The thing about
forgiveness is, you know, when God

821
00:50:45,365 --> 00:50:51,315
forgives you of your sin, one could argue
that God did that 2, 000 years ago, right?

822
00:50:51,325 --> 00:50:55,335
So you've already been forgiven
of the sin that you are asking

823
00:50:55,335 --> 00:50:56,745
God for forgiveness for.

824
00:50:57,844 --> 00:51:00,125
You know, I appreciate the
semantics and there's different

825
00:51:00,125 --> 00:51:01,605
ways theologically to look at this.

826
00:51:02,195 --> 00:51:07,395
But one of the things that happens
is when you go to God to confess

827
00:51:07,395 --> 00:51:10,270
your sin, And he forgives you.

828
00:51:12,270 --> 00:51:16,340
The question always then is, do you
receive that in the sense that if

829
00:51:16,340 --> 00:51:22,139
he forgives you, you're no longer
worthless, you're no longer a failure.

830
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:23,009
Do you know what I mean?

831
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:26,220
This is all the self
talk that we bring to it.

832
00:51:26,749 --> 00:51:28,820
Actually, what God says
is, no, you're righteous.

833
00:51:29,170 --> 00:51:32,380
You're made whole in Christ, you
know, you are a new creation, all

834
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:33,900
things possible to him who believes.

835
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:36,850
We're not, you know, in him we're
more than conquerors, you know, by

836
00:51:36,850 --> 00:51:39,519
grace you are saved and we could
just go on and on and talk about

837
00:51:39,529 --> 00:51:40,349
all the things that God says.

838
00:51:41,050 --> 00:51:47,500
And so forgiveness often for me
is the reconciling back of my

839
00:51:47,509 --> 00:51:51,980
vision or my understanding of
my own self in relation to God.

840
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,160
Now I appreciate that there is
sin and that sin is evil, evil.

841
00:51:58,015 --> 00:52:00,585
And in sin, no good
thing can dwell, right?

842
00:52:00,985 --> 00:52:05,955
Um, and I'm not justifying or excusing
any kind of sin in me, but I'm also

843
00:52:05,955 --> 00:52:13,654
aware of God's reconciliation, um,
and his ability to, uh, to change my

844
00:52:13,655 --> 00:52:15,725
life, you know, and bring around that.

845
00:52:15,955 --> 00:52:17,234
I think when we get to heaven.

846
00:52:18,475 --> 00:52:20,765
Um, you know, we pray the
Lord's Prayer, don't we?

847
00:52:20,925 --> 00:52:21,275
Yeah.

848
00:52:21,295 --> 00:52:23,825
Your kingdom come, your will be
done on earth as it is in heaven.

849
00:52:23,835 --> 00:52:24,115
Yeah.

850
00:52:24,655 --> 00:52:26,715
Quite often I find myself
wondering what it's like in heaven.

851
00:52:26,715 --> 00:52:27,434
Yeah, I do.

852
00:52:27,435 --> 00:52:30,464
Um, because if I'm praying, you
know, your kingdom come, your will

853
00:52:30,465 --> 00:52:31,824
be done on earth as it is in heaven.

854
00:52:31,824 --> 00:52:33,315
It's like I'm praying for that now.

855
00:52:33,325 --> 00:52:33,675
Yeah.

856
00:52:33,715 --> 00:52:35,265
To experience that now here on earth.

857
00:52:36,034 --> 00:52:37,625
I don't know what heaven's actually like.

858
00:52:37,625 --> 00:52:38,015
No.

859
00:52:38,225 --> 00:52:40,745
And I don't, I don't think there's
a lot of complaining in heaven.

860
00:52:40,825 --> 00:52:42,095
I think there's a lot of rejoicing.

861
00:52:42,755 --> 00:52:43,805
I think there's a lot of praise.

862
00:52:43,825 --> 00:52:43,914
I

863
00:52:43,914 --> 00:52:45,625
Jan Burch: think, I
think it's going to be.

864
00:52:46,735 --> 00:52:48,015
Absolutely amazing.

865
00:52:48,735 --> 00:52:58,224
I think, um, you know, it's just going
to be everything and more, you know.

866
00:52:58,365 --> 00:53:01,374
Um, I've no idea what
that really looks like.

867
00:53:01,374 --> 00:53:05,625
I know there'll be people singing
and it'll be peaceful and I

868
00:53:05,625 --> 00:53:07,985
think there'll be beautiful.

869
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:10,620
Water and you know what?

870
00:53:10,660 --> 00:53:18,339
I think what I'd like is, no, is wild
animals roaming around, you know, like,

871
00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:21,199
like we see cats and dogs in the street.

872
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,950
I think there'll be lions and things,
tigers, that absolutely thrills

873
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:29,350
me, but then they won't kill me
or, you know, cause I'll already

874
00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:32,340
be dead, but there'll be tame.

875
00:53:32,705 --> 00:53:33,565
If you know what I mean.

876
00:53:34,145 --> 00:53:38,525
Matt Edmundson: Well, yeah, absolutely,
it'd be like heaven on a big safari park.

877
00:53:39,885 --> 00:53:42,025
Jan Burch: That's what
I'm looking forward to.

878
00:53:42,105 --> 00:53:44,714
Matt Edmundson: All I know, Jan,
is I'm going to slide down those

879
00:53:44,714 --> 00:53:45,865
streets of gold in my socks.

880
00:53:45,885 --> 00:53:47,034
Yeah, absolutely.

881
00:53:47,334 --> 00:53:48,695
And I'm just going to keep on going.

882
00:53:49,115 --> 00:53:50,385
And we're going to have a sliding contest.

883
00:53:50,385 --> 00:53:50,435
I think

884
00:53:50,665 --> 00:53:51,565
Jan Burch: it's going to be great

885
00:53:51,565 --> 00:53:51,955
Matt Edmundson: fun.

886
00:53:52,185 --> 00:53:53,165
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

887
00:53:54,145 --> 00:53:58,635
Nicola said here, when I was up last week,
which she was in Liverpool, she was with

888
00:53:58,635 --> 00:54:01,245
Sharon, and I put myself down quite badly.

889
00:54:01,264 --> 00:54:01,754
Oh, here we go.

890
00:54:01,885 --> 00:54:04,725
And Sharon said, don't talk
about my friend like that.

891
00:54:04,755 --> 00:54:05,255
That's right.

892
00:54:05,534 --> 00:54:08,154
And since then I've been a bit more
careful about how I talk about me.

893
00:54:08,154 --> 00:54:09,784
Yeah, absolutely, Nicola.

894
00:54:09,785 --> 00:54:11,735
Don't talk about my friend like that.

895
00:54:11,735 --> 00:54:12,255
Love that though.

896
00:54:12,455 --> 00:54:13,465
Sharon's got on this.

897
00:54:13,815 --> 00:54:14,925
Sharon's my wife, by the way.

898
00:54:15,325 --> 00:54:15,945
Go on, Shazza.

899
00:54:16,545 --> 00:54:18,605
Yeah, she won't let you
talk to herself like that.

900
00:54:18,615 --> 00:54:19,215
No, absolutely.

901
00:54:20,445 --> 00:54:21,285
She's not a fan of it.

902
00:54:21,955 --> 00:54:23,505
So, what time is it?

903
00:54:23,505 --> 00:54:23,965
Goodness me.

904
00:54:23,965 --> 00:54:25,435
Time is flying by at a
million miles an hour.

905
00:54:25,465 --> 00:54:28,135
Anything else in your notes
in the closing minutes?

906
00:54:28,955 --> 00:54:34,234
Jan Burch: Um, I just think, um,
what Chris said, our actions and our

907
00:54:34,234 --> 00:54:40,675
behaviours then open up the doorway
for us to be able to share our faith.

908
00:54:40,725 --> 00:54:41,025
Yeah.

909
00:54:41,165 --> 00:54:45,725
Um, there's, I think, so many
people saying, oh, I really...

910
00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:50,820
I really struggle to tell, they
know I'm a Christian at work on

911
00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:56,779
my neighbours, but I find it hard
to, um, to go the step further.

912
00:54:57,090 --> 00:55:02,589
Um, but I, I just think it's
about spending time with people.

913
00:55:03,189 --> 00:55:08,560
Um, yeah, where, you know, in work,
you might only have 10 minutes

914
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:14,349
here and there or on your break or,
but I think I think it's okay to.

915
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,520
You know, meet up with people for
a coffee at work and just get to

916
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,420
know them, let them get to know you.

917
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,840
And then I think naturally then, you
know, what did you do at the weekend?

918
00:55:27,329 --> 00:55:33,240
Um, what's going on in your family, you
know, you know, just being real, being

919
00:55:33,909 --> 00:55:36,369
honest about sharing, letting people in.

920
00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:43,550
And I think, um, as we do that more,
then the conversation will change.

921
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:48,720
You know, it'll get a bit more, a bit
deeper, it'll, it will be about God.

922
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:49,090
Yeah.

923
00:55:49,350 --> 00:55:54,270
Not all the time, you know, but
I think, I think of, you know,

924
00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:56,700
it's like laying the foundation.

925
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:57,279
Yeah, it is.

926
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,079
Um, and then building those relationships.

927
00:56:01,269 --> 00:56:01,979
Matt Edmundson: Absolutely.

928
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,050
Absolutely.

929
00:56:03,539 --> 00:56:04,169
Very good.

930
00:56:04,659 --> 00:56:07,770
Well, how was your, uh, we've got
a few minutes before I need to say

931
00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:08,710
goodbye, I'm just kind of curious.

932
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:09,560
How was your first time?

933
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:10,590
Jan Burch: I really enjoyed it.

934
00:56:11,339 --> 00:56:11,529
Yeah.

935
00:56:11,689 --> 00:56:12,619
Matt Edmundson: It's amazing
how quick it goes, isn't it?

936
00:56:12,620 --> 00:56:13,154
Yeah.

937
00:56:13,585 --> 00:56:14,075
Yeah.

938
00:56:14,165 --> 00:56:14,925
Thanks for coming to Crowd.

939
00:56:15,195 --> 00:56:15,525
Oh, thank you.

940
00:56:15,525 --> 00:56:17,255
And it says here in my notes,
and correct me if I'm wrong, Jan,

941
00:56:17,255 --> 00:56:18,345
but you're hosting next week.

942
00:56:18,785 --> 00:56:19,865
I am, with you.

943
00:56:20,035 --> 00:56:20,644
Jan Burch: Is it you again?

944
00:56:20,645 --> 00:56:21,614
Is it me and you again

945
00:56:21,625 --> 00:56:21,994
Matt Edmundson: next week?

946
00:56:21,995 --> 00:56:23,374
I think so.

947
00:56:23,375 --> 00:56:23,805
Fab.

948
00:56:24,615 --> 00:56:26,135
This is just the warm up.

949
00:56:26,175 --> 00:56:27,224
Next week's going to be even better.

950
00:56:27,555 --> 00:56:27,635
Yeah.

951
00:56:27,704 --> 00:56:28,965
Got more jokes coming next week.

952
00:56:28,975 --> 00:56:30,404
It's John Harding next week.

953
00:56:30,614 --> 00:56:31,054
It is.

954
00:56:31,274 --> 00:56:31,464
Yeah.

955
00:56:31,464 --> 00:56:31,725
It is.

956
00:56:31,725 --> 00:56:32,284
You're right.

957
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:32,972
Look

958
00:56:32,972 --> 00:56:33,817
Jan Burch: at that.

959
00:56:33,817 --> 00:56:35,507
I've done my homework.

960
00:56:35,507 --> 00:56:38,887
Matt Edmundson: Showing me up
now because I obviously clearly

961
00:56:38,887 --> 00:56:40,200
haven't done my homework.

962
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:43,230
I do it on the fly as we're
looking at these things now.

963
00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:45,040
Yes, that's it.

964
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,570
Next week we have John Harding speaking,
carrying on our book, carrying on

965
00:56:49,570 --> 00:56:50,819
our journey through the Book of Acts.

966
00:56:51,269 --> 00:56:55,600
We've got Paul's farewell
speech next week.

967
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,010
Then after that we've
got Anna Kettle speaking.

968
00:56:59,580 --> 00:57:04,940
We've got, uh, I'm doing one,
Sharon's doing one, we've got Pete

969
00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:06,370
Farrington, and then it's Christmas.

970
00:57:06,990 --> 00:57:07,080
Hooray!

971
00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:08,180
Christmas!

972
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:11,340
I'm starting to feel, I'm starting
to feel a little bit Christmassy now.

973
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:11,920
Oh yeah.

974
00:57:12,030 --> 00:57:15,599
Yeah, I'm not getting, I'm not getting
too into it just yet, but I'm starting to

975
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:17,310
feel a little bit Christmassy, which is...

976
00:57:17,410 --> 00:57:18,430
Do you like Christmas, Matt?

977
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,260
I proper love it.

978
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:20,620
Yeah,

979
00:57:20,620 --> 00:57:21,300
Jan Burch: I do as well.

980
00:57:21,380 --> 00:57:22,109
Proper love Christmas.

981
00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:24,340
I like the lights and music.

982
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:25,899
Matt Edmundson: The magic of
it, the magic of Christmas.

983
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:26,300
Yeah.

984
00:57:27,210 --> 00:57:30,870
Um, yeah, I, we, it's our, Josh's
birthday late November, so we

985
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:32,906
tend not to think about Christmas
until we've got through that.

986
00:57:32,906 --> 00:57:33,400
Until that's done, yeah.

987
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:36,250
So, in December we'll be, I'll be
wearing the Christmas jumpers, no doubt.

988
00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:36,545
Of

989
00:57:36,545 --> 00:57:39,199
Jan Burch: which you have,
you've got a few, haven't you?

990
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:39,957
I've got a fair few

991
00:57:39,957 --> 00:57:42,099
Matt Edmundson: of the Christmas
jumpers, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

992
00:57:42,099 --> 00:57:45,170
I've not bought one for a few
years, um, it's sort of put a

993
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:48,870
moratorium on me buying, uh, more
Christmas jumpers because, you know,

994
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:50,510
frankly, I've got 4, 000 of them.

995
00:57:51,845 --> 00:57:54,315
But yeah, so we've got all that coming up.

996
00:57:54,315 --> 00:57:56,975
So yeah, do come and join Jan and myself.

997
00:57:57,665 --> 00:58:04,355
Next week, uh, as we convert, uh, as we
converse, uh, about John Harding's talk,

998
00:58:04,355 --> 00:58:05,175
I have no idea what I'm talking about.

999
00:58:06,625 --> 00:58:10,824
Jan Burch: Yeah, I'll, I'll be here
to, uh, just keep it all safe and

1000
00:58:10,824 --> 00:58:13,195
running smoothly and watching, Matt.

1001
00:58:13,695 --> 00:58:15,115
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, keep
the ship moving forward.

1002
00:58:15,115 --> 00:58:16,205
That's, uh, that's what we have here.

1003
00:58:16,205 --> 00:58:17,005
You're frightening me now.

1004
00:58:17,125 --> 00:58:17,375
Yeah.

1005
00:58:18,175 --> 00:58:19,345
Frightening myself, if
I'm honest with you.

1006
00:58:20,035 --> 00:58:20,495
That's okay.

1007
00:58:20,865 --> 00:58:23,925
Uh, coming up next week, we've
talked about Promote the Zoom.

1008
00:58:23,925 --> 00:58:25,705
Yes, if you would like to join us.

1009
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,920
Uh, midweek, we have midweek groups
online that do, uh, community online.

1010
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,110
If you'd like to know more about
that, do get in touch with us.

1011
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,160
Uh, you can find out more
information on the website, which

1012
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,209
has just come up on the screen.

1013
00:58:37,209 --> 00:58:39,429
If you're watching the video, www.

1014
00:58:39,499 --> 00:58:40,129
crowd.

1015
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,559
church, if you're listening to the
audio, or you can reach out to us

1016
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:47,560
on social media at Crowd Church,
uh, that's also on your screen.

1017
00:58:48,420 --> 00:58:50,030
Uh, and we would love to hear from you.

1018
00:58:50,290 --> 00:58:52,270
I'll let you know the zoom links
and all that sort of stuff.

1019
00:58:52,270 --> 00:58:53,059
Just get in touch with us.

1020
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,150
Um, and we would love to hear from you.

1021
00:58:57,180 --> 00:59:02,290
You can also reach out to us, uh, if you
have any prayer requests, we've had people

1022
00:59:02,340 --> 00:59:06,470
emailing us this week, uh, and people can
WhatsApp us, the WhatsApp number's on the

1023
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:10,300
website, we have people connecting with
us via WhatsApp, uh, which is always great

1024
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:14,740
from around the world, always love getting
those messages, uh, so yes, you can

1025
00:59:14,740 --> 00:59:17,079
reach out to us through the website, www.

1026
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:17,420
crowd.

1027
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:22,070
church, or via social media, at Crowd
Church, we would love to hear from you.

1028
00:59:22,070 --> 00:59:22,334
Thank you.

1029
00:59:22,765 --> 00:59:24,355
That's it from me.

1030
00:59:25,285 --> 00:59:26,675
That's it from Jan.

1031
00:59:26,675 --> 00:59:27,555
I'm just going through the comments.

1032
00:59:27,555 --> 00:59:28,295
I think I've got them all.

1033
00:59:28,425 --> 00:59:29,025
I think I have.

1034
00:59:29,635 --> 00:59:31,555
Uh, so I'm gonna click
this button on here.

1035
00:59:31,565 --> 00:59:32,595
Anything else from you in closing?

1036
00:59:32,605 --> 00:59:33,005
No,

1037
00:59:33,065 --> 00:59:33,635
Jan Burch: just thanks.

1038
00:59:33,644 --> 00:59:34,894
Thanks for having me.

1039
00:59:34,894 --> 00:59:34,944
It's

1040
00:59:35,144 --> 00:59:35,554
Matt Edmundson: been great.

1041
00:59:38,014 --> 00:59:38,765
Show your love for Jan.

1042
00:59:38,935 --> 00:59:39,275
All right.

1043
00:59:39,275 --> 00:59:39,885
We'll see you later.

1044
00:59:40,134 --> 00:59:40,825
Have a great week.

1045
00:59:41,034 --> 00:59:41,924
Cheers, guys.

1046
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:47,930
Thank you so much for joining
us here on Crowd Church.

1047
00:59:48,290 --> 00:59:53,190
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1048
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:59,190
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1049
00:59:59,270 --> 01:00:03,390
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1050
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:06,850
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1051
01:00:07,150 --> 01:00:12,240
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1052
01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:17,689
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1053
01:00:17,689 --> 01:00:20,400
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1054
01:00:20,530 --> 01:00:21,910
and Purposeful Life.

1055
01:00:22,270 --> 01:00:28,450
So if you haven't done so already,
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1056
01:00:28,510 --> 01:00:28,880
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1057
01:00:29,180 --> 01:00:33,790
church where you can learn more
about us as a church, more about

1058
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,790
the Christian faith and also how to
connect into our church community.

1059
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:44,840
It has been Awesome to connect
with you and you are awesome.

1060
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:50,030
It's just a burden you have to bear
and hopefully we'll see you next time.

1061
01:00:50,210 --> 01:00:50,950
That's it from us.

1062
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:51,820
God bless you.

1063
01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:52,940
Bye for now.