1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,420 What would it look like to start a community that was really, 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,220 it's for the people like Jesus would be for. 3 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:18,312 Welcome to Heaven Earth Church. 4 00:00:18,456 --> 00:00:22,120 I'm Ross Stackhouse, the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church. 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,832 From the start, our heart has been to be a church for people who 6 00:00:25,856 --> 00:00:28,136 don't fit neatly into church. 7 00:00:28,328 --> 00:00:31,400 We want to meet people where they are and know their stories. 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,172 Because in every story, there is God's story. 9 00:00:35,356 --> 00:00:37,588 And this podcast is just about that. 10 00:00:37,644 --> 00:00:40,676 It's about inviting you into the stories of the people of Heaven 11 00:00:40,708 --> 00:00:41,640 Earth Church. 12 00:00:41,980 --> 00:00:44,160 So let's turn to the story. 13 00:00:44,620 --> 00:00:48,388 Hello, good people, and welcome to the Heaven and Earth. 14 00:00:48,484 --> 00:00:51,124 Heaven Earth Church podcast. 15 00:00:51,252 --> 00:00:54,372 My name is Brad Miller, one of the producers and co hosts of the 16 00:00:54,396 --> 00:00:55,044 podcast. 17 00:00:55,172 --> 00:00:58,948 This is the podcast where we look to offer in some insights into 18 00:00:59,004 --> 00:01:01,970 the people and what is happening at Heaven Earth Church 19 00:01:02,140 --> 00:01:03,606 and Whiteland, Indiana. 20 00:01:03,638 --> 00:01:05,910 And the thing that we love to do is get to know the people who 21 00:01:05,950 --> 00:01:07,126 are part of the church. 22 00:01:07,158 --> 00:01:10,342 And so we have great guests with us today. 23 00:01:10,446 --> 00:01:14,390 Joanna Burnett, welcome to our conversation here this afternoon. 24 00:01:14,470 --> 00:01:15,702 I'm glad to be here, Brad. 25 00:01:15,766 --> 00:01:16,294 Thank you. 26 00:01:16,382 --> 00:01:17,478 Awesome, awesome. 27 00:01:17,574 --> 00:01:20,534 Well, Joanna, one of the things that we like to do just to 28 00:01:20,542 --> 00:01:24,182 get to know the folks who are part of what we are about here at 29 00:01:24,206 --> 00:01:27,014 Heaven Earth Churches, tell us a little bit about you in terms of 30 00:01:27,182 --> 00:01:28,966 like, what's hometown for you. 31 00:01:29,038 --> 00:01:30,050 Where are you from? 32 00:01:30,690 --> 00:01:32,698 Fairland, Indiana. 33 00:01:32,874 --> 00:01:34,058 In a cornfield. 34 00:01:34,154 --> 00:01:35,050 In a cornfield. 35 00:01:35,130 --> 00:01:36,618 Like most of us in Indiana, really. 36 00:01:36,674 --> 00:01:38,794 But tell me a little bit about growing up in Fairland. 37 00:01:38,842 --> 00:01:41,114 Deanna, what were some things you were involved with a little bit 38 00:01:41,122 --> 00:01:43,178 about home life for you there? 39 00:01:43,314 --> 00:01:43,818 Yeah. 40 00:01:43,914 --> 00:01:45,274 So goodness. 41 00:01:45,322 --> 00:01:45,722 Okay. 42 00:01:45,786 --> 00:01:50,186 So grew up with my older sister Stacy, who's 10 years older 43 00:01:50,218 --> 00:01:54,954 than me, and my little brother at that time, my only younger brother 44 00:01:55,002 --> 00:01:59,310 Ross, and my dad, My father raised us out there in Fairland. 45 00:01:59,910 --> 00:02:05,086 And we just, you know, sporting events, church every Sunday 46 00:02:05,238 --> 00:02:12,814 and whether we wanted to or not and just, I don't know, a lot 47 00:02:12,822 --> 00:02:15,934 of love out there in the Stackhouse home, but which is my 48 00:02:15,942 --> 00:02:17,118 main name, by the way. 49 00:02:17,254 --> 00:02:19,214 Yeah, very good, very good. 50 00:02:19,382 --> 00:02:22,270 Well, so tell me one thing about growing up there that was just 51 00:02:22,310 --> 00:02:23,342 a warm experience. 52 00:02:23,446 --> 00:02:26,222 Maybe a place in your home that was kind of cool or a place 53 00:02:26,246 --> 00:02:29,602 that you went that was kind of something that made you feel. 54 00:02:29,766 --> 00:02:30,710 Feel good. 55 00:02:32,610 --> 00:02:35,370 You know, that's a loaded question because there was so much 56 00:02:35,410 --> 00:02:36,666 warmth and love in my. 57 00:02:36,738 --> 00:02:37,802 In my home. 58 00:02:37,986 --> 00:02:41,018 My father was amazing. 59 00:02:41,194 --> 00:02:42,042 Not a perfect. 60 00:02:42,106 --> 00:02:44,330 He wasn't perfect, but he was amazing. 61 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:46,090 Love was never an issue for us. 62 00:02:46,130 --> 00:02:48,618 So everything we did, it seemed like There was always. 63 00:02:48,674 --> 00:02:51,562 I mean, not to sound corny, but there was always a little bit 64 00:02:51,586 --> 00:02:53,482 of love in everything we did. 65 00:02:53,506 --> 00:02:55,570 I feel like we were just kind of a. 66 00:02:55,730 --> 00:02:57,698 We were a joyful bunch. 67 00:02:57,794 --> 00:03:03,138 I feel like my dad was always kind of a half class full kind of 68 00:03:03,194 --> 00:03:03,874 type. 69 00:03:04,002 --> 00:03:06,898 But I thought of a memory and it's funny you should ask this question 70 00:03:06,954 --> 00:03:10,114 which I didn't know you were going to ask, but I thought of a 71 00:03:10,122 --> 00:03:13,190 memory the other day because I took my two nieces and my nephew 72 00:03:13,770 --> 00:03:15,042 to fly a kite. 73 00:03:15,186 --> 00:03:16,226 Was it yesterday? 74 00:03:16,338 --> 00:03:16,930 Friday night? 75 00:03:16,970 --> 00:03:18,066 It was Friday night. 76 00:03:18,218 --> 00:03:22,082 And I remember my dad would take us to the cornfield down the 77 00:03:22,106 --> 00:03:24,674 street and we would fly kites in the cornfield. 78 00:03:24,722 --> 00:03:28,558 So that's a good memory of like, just, just my brother Ross 79 00:03:28,654 --> 00:03:29,470 and my dad and I. 80 00:03:29,510 --> 00:03:32,542 My sister was 10 years older, you know, so it was just Ross and 81 00:03:32,566 --> 00:03:33,838 I most of the time. 82 00:03:33,974 --> 00:03:35,726 And so. 83 00:03:35,798 --> 00:03:36,526 But okay. 84 00:03:36,558 --> 00:03:37,530 Like a place. 85 00:03:39,270 --> 00:03:39,854 I don't. 86 00:03:39,902 --> 00:03:41,182 I guess I can't really name a place. 87 00:03:41,206 --> 00:03:42,430 We spent a lot of time at the school. 88 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:44,142 We were always in activities. 89 00:03:44,286 --> 00:03:47,838 So Triton Central and Triton Middle School and elementary shout 90 00:03:47,854 --> 00:03:48,270 out to you. 91 00:03:48,310 --> 00:03:50,622 It was a, it was a great, it was a great school. 92 00:03:50,646 --> 00:03:53,758 We just spent a lot of time there, maybe, you know, with my aunt 93 00:03:53,774 --> 00:03:54,686 and uncle or my grandma. 94 00:03:54,718 --> 00:03:56,494 A lot of school activities, this type of thing. 95 00:03:56,582 --> 00:03:57,534 Yeah, yeah. 96 00:03:57,582 --> 00:04:01,444 Just brownies and Girl Scouts and sporting events and show choir 97 00:04:01,492 --> 00:04:02,148 and all the things. 98 00:04:02,204 --> 00:04:04,200 So Ross and I were pretty active. 99 00:04:05,180 --> 00:04:08,132 So it's hard to really pick like a place in the area that we 100 00:04:08,156 --> 00:04:09,796 would per se go and might not. 101 00:04:09,868 --> 00:04:13,604 Get kind of a really good, good childhood. 102 00:04:13,732 --> 00:04:14,804 Kites in the cornfield. 103 00:04:14,852 --> 00:04:15,636 I love that imagery. 104 00:04:15,668 --> 00:04:17,668 That, that, that, that's really, really cool. 105 00:04:17,764 --> 00:04:18,388 I do too. 106 00:04:18,444 --> 00:04:18,772 Yeah. 107 00:04:18,836 --> 00:04:21,636 Tell me a little bit about your faith journey, Joanna. 108 00:04:21,668 --> 00:04:26,116 What I mean by that is some sense about your church life growing 109 00:04:26,148 --> 00:04:30,350 up and, or some sort of a how faith evolved for you. 110 00:04:32,570 --> 00:04:35,730 That's definitely a loaded question, but I'm excited to talk 111 00:04:35,770 --> 00:04:36,274 through it. 112 00:04:36,362 --> 00:04:36,990 So. 113 00:04:37,450 --> 00:04:42,066 Grew up at New Life United Methodist Church in Fairland, Indiana, 114 00:04:42,178 --> 00:04:46,950 and of course, and very traditional Methodist Church. 115 00:04:47,370 --> 00:04:50,130 And I have so much love for that church. 116 00:04:50,210 --> 00:04:52,834 Raised me up in such wonderful ways. 117 00:04:52,882 --> 00:04:57,522 I mean, there were ladies in that church who sewed us pillows. 118 00:04:57,586 --> 00:05:01,730 And for the kids or when I went to college, they'd send cards. 119 00:05:01,810 --> 00:05:05,266 And I think those were just really big gifts in that church. 120 00:05:05,458 --> 00:05:08,754 I can't say I wanted to go every Sunday, but it was an expectation 121 00:05:08,802 --> 00:05:09,538 of my father. 122 00:05:09,634 --> 00:05:13,762 So it was just like, if you're alive, I don't care how much you 123 00:05:13,786 --> 00:05:14,482 Slept last night. 124 00:05:14,506 --> 00:05:15,234 I don't care. 125 00:05:15,322 --> 00:05:17,330 You know, we're not going to talk through it. 126 00:05:17,370 --> 00:05:19,154 You know, we're going to church. 127 00:05:19,282 --> 00:05:21,858 And my dad led the example because, you know, he never missed 128 00:05:21,874 --> 00:05:22,674 a Sunday of church. 129 00:05:22,722 --> 00:05:24,018 And we didn't always want to go. 130 00:05:24,074 --> 00:05:26,582 You know, as kids, you just, there's just other things you want 131 00:05:26,606 --> 00:05:27,158 to do. 132 00:05:27,294 --> 00:05:31,254 But Ross and I go and sit in the pews and sometimes draw or doodle 133 00:05:31,302 --> 00:05:36,678 and all of that then just, you know, so it's a big story because 134 00:05:36,734 --> 00:05:39,590 then, you know, you graduate and high school. 135 00:05:39,630 --> 00:05:41,942 I graduated high school and went to college. 136 00:05:42,006 --> 00:05:48,230 And in college, I can maybe say I attended church twice in five 137 00:05:48,270 --> 00:05:48,422 years. 138 00:05:48,446 --> 00:05:52,010 I was on the five year plan in a summer class to boot. 139 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:56,972 I went to church once because I was having a bad day, I think is 140 00:05:56,996 --> 00:05:57,800 why I went. 141 00:05:58,100 --> 00:05:59,948 And then the other time was just going with a friend. 142 00:06:00,004 --> 00:06:02,480 It was like a Catholic meetup. 143 00:06:02,980 --> 00:06:07,324 So it was a little different because I was raised Methodist, but 144 00:06:07,492 --> 00:06:11,160 kind of lost sight of that in my collegiate years. 145 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:17,360 And then life happens after college, in college. 146 00:06:17,830 --> 00:06:23,102 You know, we can get deep into the weeds here because I, you know, 147 00:06:23,126 --> 00:06:28,254 I think that people have this idea of church going, folks that 148 00:06:28,342 --> 00:06:32,862 everything's figured out and everything's perfect or they're not. 149 00:06:32,886 --> 00:06:35,390 People who have troubles or who sin. 150 00:06:35,550 --> 00:06:37,214 And in college that was a. 151 00:06:37,302 --> 00:06:38,686 We'll just jump right into it, I guess. 152 00:06:38,718 --> 00:06:41,582 But, you know, that was a big time of partying for me. 153 00:06:41,686 --> 00:06:46,212 That was a big time of learning how to drink and hang out 154 00:06:46,236 --> 00:06:49,920 with friends and nowhere in sight, really. 155 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:50,868 It was. 156 00:06:50,924 --> 00:06:53,844 My faith was always with me in my heart because it was ingrained 157 00:06:53,892 --> 00:06:54,640 in me. 158 00:06:55,020 --> 00:06:59,380 But I didn't have a full understanding of my faith until some 159 00:06:59,420 --> 00:07:04,436 things really changed in my life, which I'm happy to go into. 160 00:07:04,508 --> 00:07:08,772 Well, let's just kind of focus on maybe one of those pivotal moments. 161 00:07:08,916 --> 00:07:10,964 A pivotal moment where faith changed for you. 162 00:07:11,052 --> 00:07:13,124 It sound like you went through a process where church was kind of 163 00:07:13,132 --> 00:07:14,754 part of what you did growing up. 164 00:07:14,932 --> 00:07:18,182 College, you went to party and things like that, and that was a 165 00:07:18,206 --> 00:07:19,862 part of your lifestyle. 166 00:07:20,006 --> 00:07:23,622 But it sounds like there was a pivotal moment where faith came into 167 00:07:23,646 --> 00:07:24,742 the picture more. 168 00:07:24,926 --> 00:07:26,406 Let's go there for a minute. 169 00:07:26,598 --> 00:07:28,566 Yeah, I think that's a really good segue. 170 00:07:28,678 --> 00:07:34,230 So, you know, sometimes it's hard to tell this story because you 171 00:07:34,270 --> 00:07:37,462 want people to see the really good things about yourself and you 172 00:07:37,486 --> 00:07:41,126 want people to see the perfect things and to portray this life that's 173 00:07:41,158 --> 00:07:44,276 just really good and great, you know, perfect. 174 00:07:44,468 --> 00:07:47,780 But for me, it was the partying. 175 00:07:47,940 --> 00:07:54,880 I think, you know, my mom, you know, struggled with alcoholism and 176 00:07:55,660 --> 00:07:58,532 she was not always well. 177 00:07:58,556 --> 00:08:01,780 She wasn't present a lot of time, actually, at all. 178 00:08:01,820 --> 00:08:03,044 I'm just being kind. 179 00:08:03,212 --> 00:08:04,720 She really wasn't present. 180 00:08:05,260 --> 00:08:07,908 And I think I had a lot of issues to work out. 181 00:08:07,964 --> 00:08:09,156 And I think I had a. 182 00:08:09,228 --> 00:08:10,772 A rebel heart, so to speak. 183 00:08:10,836 --> 00:08:11,588 Okay. 184 00:08:11,764 --> 00:08:16,292 And I was partying like a rock star. 185 00:08:16,396 --> 00:08:19,380 I was going to parties and throwing parties. 186 00:08:19,540 --> 00:08:25,812 And the pivotal moment, I'm getting to it is I drove home from 187 00:08:25,836 --> 00:08:30,068 a friend's house, and this was about 2008 or 2009. 188 00:08:30,124 --> 00:08:35,172 I'm not very good at years or dates, birthdays or anything, so 189 00:08:35,196 --> 00:08:37,508 roughly 15 or 16 years ago now. 190 00:08:37,644 --> 00:08:38,084 But. 191 00:08:38,172 --> 00:08:39,524 And I had to look that up. 192 00:08:39,612 --> 00:08:40,820 Cause I'm like, when was that? 193 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:45,156 But this, this event, I left a friend's house and I had been drinking 194 00:08:45,268 --> 00:08:49,572 and I was driving home to my father's house where I lived at the 195 00:08:49,596 --> 00:08:50,160 time. 196 00:08:50,620 --> 00:08:51,924 And I was getting ready. 197 00:08:51,972 --> 00:08:53,140 I was looking for houses. 198 00:08:53,220 --> 00:08:55,860 It was like when the housing thing happened and they were doing 199 00:08:55,900 --> 00:08:57,988 this big, like, rebate if you purchased a house. 200 00:08:58,044 --> 00:09:00,378 So I was looking for a house for the first time. 201 00:09:00,564 --> 00:09:01,982 I was excited about that. 202 00:09:02,006 --> 00:09:02,846 I was living with my dad. 203 00:09:02,878 --> 00:09:05,694 I had graduated college and I was driving home. 204 00:09:05,782 --> 00:09:07,198 Church was the next morning. 205 00:09:07,334 --> 00:09:12,610 I got to my father's house and I was well beyond my limit, drinking. 206 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:17,550 And I'm happy to share this because I just really want others. 207 00:09:17,670 --> 00:09:19,150 I want to help somebody through my story. 208 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:20,570 And that's always the case. 209 00:09:21,110 --> 00:09:24,094 I'm never ashamed to tell it because it made me who I am today. 210 00:09:24,182 --> 00:09:30,622 But I then got to my dad's driveway and I thought, I don't have 211 00:09:30,646 --> 00:09:32,650 enough gas to get to church in the morning. 212 00:09:33,270 --> 00:09:35,726 So I drove to New Palestine. 213 00:09:35,838 --> 00:09:39,278 And on the way I dropped a CD. 214 00:09:39,454 --> 00:09:43,970 At the time, it was CDs Brad in my floorboard. 215 00:09:44,390 --> 00:09:50,574 And I leaned down to pick it up, and next thing I know, I'm crashing 216 00:09:50,622 --> 00:09:51,262 my car. 217 00:09:51,366 --> 00:09:51,886 Oh, my goodness. 218 00:09:51,918 --> 00:09:55,350 Going 50 something miles per hour into a tree, head on. 219 00:09:56,530 --> 00:09:57,994 So this is my. 220 00:09:58,162 --> 00:10:03,018 This is my testimonial story because I had no seatbelt on and 221 00:10:03,074 --> 00:10:04,666 my head hit the windshield. 222 00:10:04,778 --> 00:10:07,482 It was into a ravine where there was water. 223 00:10:07,586 --> 00:10:09,498 So my car was on, you know, this. 224 00:10:09,554 --> 00:10:11,514 What do you call that, an incline or a decline out. 225 00:10:11,602 --> 00:10:11,962 Yeah. 226 00:10:12,026 --> 00:10:14,458 Anyway, you were in the water in the ditch, right? 227 00:10:14,514 --> 00:10:14,938 It was. 228 00:10:14,994 --> 00:10:18,154 It wasn't quite in the water because the tree had stopped me. 229 00:10:18,242 --> 00:10:19,354 The tree had stopped my car. 230 00:10:19,362 --> 00:10:20,266 I'd hit it head on. 231 00:10:20,338 --> 00:10:20,762 Okay. 232 00:10:20,826 --> 00:10:26,422 And I woke up in the right floorboard of my car on my back like 233 00:10:26,446 --> 00:10:27,302 a beetle. 234 00:10:27,446 --> 00:10:31,702 And for Me, you know, I'm five eight. 235 00:10:31,886 --> 00:10:34,010 I've never been what you call petite. 236 00:10:35,310 --> 00:10:39,846 And I just woke up and I knew I was in big trouble. 237 00:10:39,958 --> 00:10:42,262 I knew I was in big, deep trouble. 238 00:10:42,326 --> 00:10:47,302 I was well known in my town, but I just thought, what am I going 239 00:10:47,326 --> 00:10:47,542 to do? 240 00:10:47,566 --> 00:10:48,932 Were you physically hurt as well? 241 00:10:49,046 --> 00:10:50,552 I was physically hurt. 242 00:10:50,696 --> 00:10:51,784 So I had. 243 00:10:51,952 --> 00:10:55,112 Gosh, you would think I'd remember this story, but I had, I 244 00:10:55,136 --> 00:10:58,952 think, three broken ribs and several bruised ribs. 245 00:10:59,016 --> 00:11:01,576 And I don't know if you've ever had a bruised rib, but it's 246 00:11:01,608 --> 00:11:02,792 extremely painful. 247 00:11:02,936 --> 00:11:05,480 I was highly athletic, and I've had, like, 10 broken bones. 248 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:06,808 The ribs were the worst. 249 00:11:06,904 --> 00:11:07,560 Wow. 250 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,224 And I remember laying there, and when you have broken ribs, you 251 00:11:11,232 --> 00:11:12,248 can't breathe. 252 00:11:12,424 --> 00:11:16,652 And I was trying to pull myself out of the floorboard up by 253 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:19,132 my steering wheel, and I couldn't do it. 254 00:11:19,236 --> 00:11:22,636 I mean, I was in this deep, deep incline there. 255 00:11:22,708 --> 00:11:24,412 And I just cried out. 256 00:11:24,516 --> 00:11:28,220 I just said, lord, if you can help me through this, if you can 257 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:30,620 get me through this, I'll be. 258 00:11:30,740 --> 00:11:31,692 I'll be different. 259 00:11:31,796 --> 00:11:33,520 I'll be forever changed. 260 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:35,320 And I cried out. 261 00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:38,428 And I think this story, this is where it kind of takes a turn. 262 00:11:38,484 --> 00:11:41,174 And people even struggle to believe me. 263 00:11:41,292 --> 00:11:47,554 But I felt what felt like two hands on my back lifting me out of 264 00:11:47,562 --> 00:11:50,550 the floorboard of my car to the driver's seat. 265 00:11:51,130 --> 00:11:54,962 And I got out of the car and I turned around and I looked at my 266 00:11:54,986 --> 00:11:58,750 vehicle and I looked around and there was nobody there. 267 00:11:59,370 --> 00:12:04,370 And I think people that hear this story think, oh, she was just 268 00:12:04,410 --> 00:12:05,218 concussed. 269 00:12:05,314 --> 00:12:06,082 She just. 270 00:12:06,186 --> 00:12:08,508 You know, she just imagined this. 271 00:12:08,564 --> 00:12:09,580 She was out of it. 272 00:12:09,620 --> 00:12:10,796 She was in shock. 273 00:12:10,988 --> 00:12:14,172 But I know in my heart who it was. 274 00:12:14,356 --> 00:12:18,396 Because if a person was there helping me, they wouldn't have ran 275 00:12:18,428 --> 00:12:19,404 away or vanished. 276 00:12:19,452 --> 00:12:21,164 They probably would have stayed, right? 277 00:12:21,252 --> 00:12:23,880 And when I looked around, there was no one there. 278 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:27,468 And I just looked at my car and I walked to the first house, 279 00:12:27,604 --> 00:12:31,852 which was actually a good friend of my brother's house and 280 00:12:31,876 --> 00:12:35,962 his mother, who to this day in my heart is a complete saint of a 281 00:12:35,986 --> 00:12:37,230 woman, an angel. 282 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:40,938 And I'm not going to mention her name, just in case, you know, 283 00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:42,218 that wouldn't be cool with her. 284 00:12:42,274 --> 00:12:45,402 But I was forever changed after that day. 285 00:12:45,506 --> 00:12:47,018 My brother and my dad. 286 00:12:47,194 --> 00:12:49,230 I had her call my brother and my dad. 287 00:12:49,890 --> 00:12:53,670 And always my saving grace, those two guys, my two best friends. 288 00:12:53,970 --> 00:12:57,402 And they came, and I looked at my brother and I said, you know, 289 00:12:57,506 --> 00:13:00,490 I'm going to go to jail because my brother was, you know, 290 00:13:00,530 --> 00:13:04,082 Ross Stackhouse, you know, my heart of Hearts, you know, to look 291 00:13:04,106 --> 00:13:07,506 my brother in the eye in that situation and have to say, hey, I'm 292 00:13:07,538 --> 00:13:08,870 going to go to jail tonight. 293 00:13:09,930 --> 00:13:12,354 It turns out I didn't go to jail that night. 294 00:13:12,442 --> 00:13:17,474 The police came, and somehow, if I remember, I think I passed all 295 00:13:17,482 --> 00:13:22,258 my field sobriety checks, and I think I just blew a little past 296 00:13:22,314 --> 00:13:25,170 the limit because, you know, they do the tests and all that terrible 297 00:13:25,250 --> 00:13:25,910 stuff. 298 00:13:26,570 --> 00:13:29,952 This pivotal moment really changed you, not only physically, 299 00:13:30,016 --> 00:13:32,928 but this was a moment life. 300 00:13:32,984 --> 00:13:33,696 Your life changed. 301 00:13:33,728 --> 00:13:34,480 Is that right? 302 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:35,136 Yeah. 303 00:13:35,248 --> 00:13:35,536 Yeah. 304 00:13:35,568 --> 00:13:37,712 I thought, oh, the whole town is going to know. 305 00:13:37,816 --> 00:13:42,880 The whole town is going to know that I'm a wild child and this 306 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,944 is what I'm doing in my free time. 307 00:13:45,112 --> 00:13:48,352 And not only that, I've broken my father's heart, I've broke my 308 00:13:48,376 --> 00:13:51,780 brother's heart, and I'm in extreme pain. 309 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,700 But somehow this police officer, and I can't make this up. 310 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,620 This police officer knew my brother because my brother. 311 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,376 Okay, it was either through my brother's basketball games at Triton 312 00:14:04,408 --> 00:14:09,064 Central or it was through his band. 313 00:14:09,112 --> 00:14:11,580 His band opened up for Matt Mason. 314 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,504 So if you're not aware of who Matt Mason is, he is a country artist 315 00:14:16,552 --> 00:14:19,880 who's actually done really well on the country scene. 316 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,192 My brother's being opened up for him for this competitive show 317 00:14:23,216 --> 00:14:24,168 called Nashville Star. 318 00:14:24,224 --> 00:14:25,900 I don't know why I got into that, Brad. 319 00:14:26,370 --> 00:14:27,146 That's all right. 320 00:14:27,218 --> 00:14:27,466 Oh. 321 00:14:27,498 --> 00:14:29,418 Anyway, this police officer knew him. 322 00:14:29,474 --> 00:14:30,618 Police officer, right. 323 00:14:30,754 --> 00:14:35,002 And he basically, literally gave me a get out of jail free card. 324 00:14:35,066 --> 00:14:35,402 Wow. 325 00:14:35,466 --> 00:14:39,110 He said, I can tell you've learned from this. 326 00:14:39,730 --> 00:14:41,274 I can tell you're loved. 327 00:14:41,322 --> 00:14:42,282 You know, that kind of thing. 328 00:14:42,306 --> 00:14:45,114 And this is not, you know, exact verbiage. 329 00:14:45,242 --> 00:14:48,250 I went home and I remember crying out in pain all night from 330 00:14:48,290 --> 00:14:49,530 my broken ribs. 331 00:14:49,690 --> 00:14:51,722 And, man, it changed me forever. 332 00:14:51,786 --> 00:14:52,442 How can you know? 333 00:14:52,466 --> 00:14:53,516 It just changed me forever. 334 00:14:53,618 --> 00:14:54,088 Yeah. 335 00:14:54,184 --> 00:14:55,768 And so that's really part of your. 336 00:14:55,824 --> 00:14:59,608 Your spiritual journey is not growing from that point right on 337 00:14:59,664 --> 00:15:00,280 in a. 338 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,180 In a way that's been. 339 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,752 It sound like you were kind of on it basically, for lack of a better 340 00:15:05,776 --> 00:15:09,368 term, kind of a destructive path or not a healthy path, let's 341 00:15:09,384 --> 00:15:09,976 put it that. 342 00:15:10,048 --> 00:15:10,392 That way. 343 00:15:10,416 --> 00:15:16,152 And now you pathway that was productive and greater things were 344 00:15:16,176 --> 00:15:17,000 happening for you. 345 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,640 And then. 346 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:18,104 Yeah. 347 00:15:18,152 --> 00:15:22,972 So tell me a little bit about how it came to be out of your faith 348 00:15:23,036 --> 00:15:26,972 journey that you eventually got connected up. 349 00:15:27,076 --> 00:15:29,836 What led you to Greenwood, Indiana, and Whiteland, Indiana, 350 00:15:29,868 --> 00:15:34,172 and to eventually get connected to Heaven Earth Church. 351 00:15:34,316 --> 00:15:34,828 Yeah. 352 00:15:34,924 --> 00:15:37,948 So from that day on, life wasn't perfect. 353 00:15:38,044 --> 00:15:40,972 I wasn't just no longer seeing my Friends or going to parties or 354 00:15:40,996 --> 00:15:41,884 hanging out. 355 00:15:42,052 --> 00:15:43,884 But I had a new spirit. 356 00:15:43,932 --> 00:15:46,908 I knew I had these things going on. 357 00:15:46,964 --> 00:15:50,646 So there's so many things that I could tell you that have happened 358 00:15:50,678 --> 00:15:53,830 miraculously that a lot of people, they just don't believe. 359 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:58,054 But for the sake of time, I'm going to limit this to several things. 360 00:15:58,142 --> 00:16:00,694 And I'm always happy to talk through it if anybody has questions. 361 00:16:00,742 --> 00:16:04,530 Like, I can share many stories, but. 362 00:16:05,230 --> 00:16:09,814 All right, so I carried on and I knew I had to change. 363 00:16:09,902 --> 00:16:14,710 I knew I could no longer keep continuing going and throwing all 364 00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:18,276 caution to the wind and making these choices, disappointing myself, 365 00:16:18,398 --> 00:16:20,420 mostly my family, my friends. 366 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,472 And I knew that a real change was going to need to happen to live 367 00:16:26,496 --> 00:16:28,920 a life of wellness and joy and healthiness. 368 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,160 And I can't say I didn't go to parties again or that I never got 369 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,008 drunk after that. 370 00:16:34,064 --> 00:16:34,632 I did. 371 00:16:34,736 --> 00:16:37,700 Matter of fact, I still have drinks from time to time. 372 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,272 I'm more. 373 00:16:39,376 --> 00:16:39,976 I never. 374 00:16:40,048 --> 00:16:42,340 I'm never throwing all caution to the wind. 375 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,504 It's never something where I'm jumping out and saying, hey, I'd 376 00:16:46,552 --> 00:16:50,156 really like to drink, to really just get drunk or anything 377 00:16:50,188 --> 00:16:50,620 like that. 378 00:16:50,660 --> 00:16:54,940 You know, at 41 years old, I've learned that it's just about 379 00:16:55,060 --> 00:16:56,764 connecting with somebody and having experience. 380 00:16:56,852 --> 00:17:00,012 So I'm able to go to parties and places now. 381 00:17:00,036 --> 00:17:02,748 A lot of people aren't able to do this, but I'm able to go to many 382 00:17:02,804 --> 00:17:06,012 places, never drink and drop and just really enjoy my time with 383 00:17:06,036 --> 00:17:06,412 people. 384 00:17:06,516 --> 00:17:09,596 So anyway, I say all that to say I gradually. 385 00:17:09,788 --> 00:17:12,960 I gradually developed change and discipline. 386 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:14,876 And it was hard at first. 387 00:17:14,948 --> 00:17:19,302 It was hard to be of this person in the world, but not of the 388 00:17:19,326 --> 00:17:22,966 world and to still love my friends and to still be able to connect 389 00:17:22,998 --> 00:17:26,326 and see them in that atmosphere. 390 00:17:26,438 --> 00:17:30,886 And so I used to attend concerts for Dave Matthews, and I've 391 00:17:30,918 --> 00:17:34,870 probably been over 17 or 18 shows of Dave Matthews. 392 00:17:35,030 --> 00:17:35,862 I forgot what they call. 393 00:17:35,886 --> 00:17:36,518 What do they call the. 394 00:17:36,574 --> 00:17:38,326 You know, like, you get the dead heads, follow the dead. 395 00:17:38,358 --> 00:17:40,118 There's some name for the Dave Matthews fans. 396 00:17:40,134 --> 00:17:40,502 What is that? 397 00:17:40,526 --> 00:17:41,404 Oh, my gosh. 398 00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:43,648 Well, I mean, there's symbols, the fire dance around. 399 00:17:43,704 --> 00:17:45,296 I don't know that there's an actual. 400 00:17:45,488 --> 00:17:46,624 You know what I'm saying? 401 00:17:46,792 --> 00:17:48,544 You were a Dave Matthews big time fan. 402 00:17:48,592 --> 00:17:49,552 The Tripping Billies. 403 00:17:49,616 --> 00:17:50,032 I don't know. 404 00:17:50,056 --> 00:17:50,560 I don't. 405 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,472 Anyway, there's. 406 00:17:51,536 --> 00:17:52,816 I don't know that I actually know. 407 00:17:52,888 --> 00:17:53,680 I got a soft track. 408 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,912 I apologize about that. 409 00:17:55,016 --> 00:17:55,632 You're fine. 410 00:17:55,696 --> 00:17:56,016 Let's. 411 00:17:56,048 --> 00:18:00,048 Let's see how this, your faith journey led you eventually here to 412 00:18:00,104 --> 00:18:01,344 Greenwood Whiteland. 413 00:18:01,472 --> 00:18:05,664 And how did you first get somehow connected to Heaven, Earth, 414 00:18:05,712 --> 00:18:06,032 Church? 415 00:18:06,096 --> 00:18:07,180 How did that happen? 416 00:18:07,930 --> 00:18:10,790 Yeah, so I think, you know, there's just a lot in the middle. 417 00:18:11,130 --> 00:18:12,066 So I was. 418 00:18:12,138 --> 00:18:14,450 I have to tell this story because it matters. 419 00:18:14,530 --> 00:18:16,434 It gets you to where I am here. 420 00:18:16,602 --> 00:18:23,090 But I was going to that concert and I was driving and I thought, 421 00:18:23,130 --> 00:18:24,210 how am I going to go to this show? 422 00:18:24,250 --> 00:18:26,642 And I'm camping for two days at this show. 423 00:18:26,826 --> 00:18:30,430 My friends are going to be drinking and there's just, you know, 424 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:34,466 the party's up there a lot and how am I going to do this? 425 00:18:34,538 --> 00:18:37,790 And I was on my way and this big. 426 00:18:38,170 --> 00:18:42,514 I noticed like a bright light shine in front of me and I saw this 427 00:18:42,602 --> 00:18:46,146 almost like a star burst, like when you stand up and you see stars 428 00:18:46,178 --> 00:18:47,750 or you stand up too quickly. 429 00:18:48,250 --> 00:18:54,562 And I saw myself, like standing with one, like standing 430 00:18:54,626 --> 00:18:59,070 up, like elevated and chains breaking off of me. 431 00:18:59,530 --> 00:19:00,354 And I couldn't. 432 00:19:00,402 --> 00:19:03,390 My eyes hurt and I didn't know what was happening to me. 433 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:06,462 And I understand, Just keep following me. 434 00:19:06,486 --> 00:19:09,214 I understand if this is hard for people to receive. 435 00:19:09,342 --> 00:19:10,254 I called my brother. 436 00:19:10,302 --> 00:19:13,022 I pulled my car over and I called my brother Ross. 437 00:19:13,086 --> 00:19:16,622 And I was like, ross, something is happening to me. 438 00:19:16,806 --> 00:19:18,062 The light is so bright. 439 00:19:18,126 --> 00:19:19,614 I'm seeing things so clearly. 440 00:19:19,662 --> 00:19:23,838 And I just feel like chains are busting off of my body and I'm 441 00:19:23,854 --> 00:19:25,070 just no longer bound. 442 00:19:25,150 --> 00:19:29,816 And I think the Lord is telling me something and helping 443 00:19:29,848 --> 00:19:30,856 me or something. 444 00:19:30,928 --> 00:19:32,568 And so that was one instance my brother. 445 00:19:32,664 --> 00:19:36,888 My brother had, you know, big Pastor Russ with all, all of his 446 00:19:36,944 --> 00:19:40,072 education and knowledge and history and never had anything like 447 00:19:40,096 --> 00:19:43,496 this happen to himself, per se. 448 00:19:43,648 --> 00:19:46,696 Even though I will say this, another life changing thing was seeing 449 00:19:46,728 --> 00:19:49,672 my brother praying in his bedroom at 16 years old while I was 450 00:19:49,696 --> 00:19:52,216 out going to parties and bye, Ross, I'm leaving. 451 00:19:52,248 --> 00:19:54,648 And I would see him on his bed reading his Bible. 452 00:19:54,744 --> 00:19:57,620 So, okay, I have to inject that into the story. 453 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,632 Fast forward after that, I get married to my husband and we move 454 00:20:04,736 --> 00:20:06,872 to Ohio for his job. 455 00:20:07,056 --> 00:20:09,624 And in Ohio, we were working very hard. 456 00:20:09,712 --> 00:20:11,752 I left my job at 17 years and we moved out there. 457 00:20:11,776 --> 00:20:15,992 I started working for him and I started looking for churches out 458 00:20:16,016 --> 00:20:16,440 there. 459 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,592 I started bouncing around to different churches to find my church 460 00:20:19,656 --> 00:20:20,260 home. 461 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,136 And I ended up landing at the Vineyard, Columbus. 462 00:20:24,168 --> 00:20:25,800 So I've been to many churches in my life. 463 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,232 If we ever went out of town, my dad always took us to church out 464 00:20:28,256 --> 00:20:28,724 of town. 465 00:20:28,832 --> 00:20:29,244 Okay. 466 00:20:29,292 --> 00:20:31,804 I ended up bouncing over to the Vineyard, Columbus. 467 00:20:31,852 --> 00:20:34,188 Amazing church, full of culture there. 468 00:20:34,244 --> 00:20:35,740 You know, I was a minority there. 469 00:20:35,780 --> 00:20:37,292 There was just so many cultures there. 470 00:20:37,316 --> 00:20:38,428 I loved that. 471 00:20:38,564 --> 00:20:39,644 It was a big engine. 472 00:20:39,692 --> 00:20:40,560 It was huge. 473 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:45,804 So I didn't, I couldn't really connect, but I was feeling moving. 474 00:20:45,932 --> 00:20:47,612 The spirit was moving inside of me. 475 00:20:47,636 --> 00:20:48,684 I was feeling nudged. 476 00:20:48,732 --> 00:20:50,428 I was feeling all of these things. 477 00:20:50,484 --> 00:20:53,500 I felt like I was just kind of blown wide open and I was ready to 478 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:55,036 just hit the ground running. 479 00:20:55,068 --> 00:20:58,254 And then my husband lost his job after a motorcycle accident and 480 00:20:58,262 --> 00:21:00,062 I said, well, let's move back to Indiana. 481 00:21:00,206 --> 00:21:02,130 And we moved back to Indiana. 482 00:21:02,790 --> 00:21:05,966 And blessedly, you know, he's very happy at a new job and we're 483 00:21:05,998 --> 00:21:06,958 very, very happy. 484 00:21:07,054 --> 00:21:09,182 These things do happen for a reason. 485 00:21:09,286 --> 00:21:09,710 Yes. 486 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:11,326 We landed back in Indiana. 487 00:21:11,358 --> 00:21:15,086 I was living in Greenfield, and I wanted to support my brother. 488 00:21:15,198 --> 00:21:18,430 You know, when he planted Heaven Earth Church with God and 489 00:21:18,550 --> 00:21:22,526 then the Methodist Church and all their support, I wanted to support 490 00:21:22,598 --> 00:21:25,806 him, but I didn't, I couldn't in Ohio. 491 00:21:25,998 --> 00:21:31,258 And so I had my best friends, Christy Stone and Michael Windsor, 492 00:21:31,274 --> 00:21:34,410 who still attend this church, and Mandy Wendell at the time. 493 00:21:34,450 --> 00:21:36,506 Excuse me, Mandy Ron, now Manny Markham. 494 00:21:36,538 --> 00:21:38,570 Anyway, sorry, Mandy. 495 00:21:38,650 --> 00:21:43,290 Anyway, they, they were doing it and I saw my fruit. 496 00:21:43,450 --> 00:21:47,898 I had bared fruit into my friends that they, they wanted to 497 00:21:47,954 --> 00:21:52,442 help my brother do this and on the mission and help God and that. 498 00:21:52,466 --> 00:21:56,014 They started jumping in on this mission and I was kind of jealous, 499 00:21:56,062 --> 00:21:59,630 like, wow, my friends are getting to be a part of this amazing 500 00:21:59,710 --> 00:22:03,614 thing that God is doing out in Whiteland and I'm not. 501 00:22:03,782 --> 00:22:07,454 And, and it was from Greenfield, about a 45 minute drive. 502 00:22:07,582 --> 00:22:11,342 So I didn't always make the drive out here to Heaven Earth when 503 00:22:11,366 --> 00:22:15,150 it was a very small, like, worship in the parking lot type deal. 504 00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:15,930 Right. 505 00:22:16,790 --> 00:22:22,210 And I, we ended up, I ended up praying like, God, make a way for 506 00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:22,498 me. 507 00:22:22,554 --> 00:22:23,570 Make a way for me. 508 00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:26,338 I've been an optician for 17 years. 509 00:22:26,394 --> 00:22:27,250 Make a way for me. 510 00:22:27,290 --> 00:22:29,350 I have some financial goals. 511 00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:33,042 I have, you know, all these things that we're wanting to do. 512 00:22:33,066 --> 00:22:34,930 We were wanting to buy a house at the time. 513 00:22:35,050 --> 00:22:35,618 Right. 514 00:22:35,754 --> 00:22:38,482 So we just pulled the band aid, we started looking for houses 515 00:22:38,546 --> 00:22:41,058 and we found a house in Greenwood, a little fixer upper. 516 00:22:41,074 --> 00:22:42,754 And my husband and I moved out here. 517 00:22:42,922 --> 00:22:45,970 And because I was commuting here at that time regularly, actually 518 00:22:46,090 --> 00:22:47,928 I had developed and came to that. 519 00:22:48,114 --> 00:22:50,236 And then we started just attending here regularly. 520 00:22:50,268 --> 00:22:55,660 So just to be clear and to kind of give a little bit of context 521 00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:59,676 here, you, your brother, Ross Stackhouse is the pastor of Heaven 522 00:22:59,708 --> 00:23:00,284 Earth Church. 523 00:23:00,332 --> 00:23:00,652 Yes. 524 00:23:00,716 --> 00:23:03,868 So you got connected to what he was up to regarding that sort 525 00:23:03,884 --> 00:23:04,188 of thing. 526 00:23:04,244 --> 00:23:05,820 Yes, my beloved brother. 527 00:23:05,900 --> 00:23:11,116 And then you literally came here, moved to Greenwood in large 528 00:23:11,188 --> 00:23:14,156 part because of your brother and because of the church. 529 00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:15,256 Is that fair? 530 00:23:15,428 --> 00:23:15,968 Yes. 531 00:23:16,064 --> 00:23:17,520 No, you're exactly right. 532 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,872 My goals were for my husband to be closer to his new job that 533 00:23:21,896 --> 00:23:27,504 he really loved, to be closer to my brother and his children so 534 00:23:27,512 --> 00:23:34,096 that I could help be a support and to help grow Heaven Earth Church 535 00:23:34,128 --> 00:23:38,816 and bring the kingdom of heaven to earth and do my part. 536 00:23:38,888 --> 00:23:40,976 And I got very passionate. 537 00:23:41,008 --> 00:23:43,870 And then my brother would have me sing sometimes. 538 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:44,322 Yeah. 539 00:23:44,386 --> 00:23:46,338 On just, you know, because like I said, it was in the parking 540 00:23:46,354 --> 00:23:50,530 lot right out here, these doors, and, you know, I came once 541 00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:55,026 and I sang or did harmony maybe with him, and then I started 542 00:23:55,098 --> 00:24:00,226 singing maybe more frequently, and then I jumped in on the worship 543 00:24:00,258 --> 00:24:04,270 team, and I'm kind of a normal fixture on the worship team here. 544 00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:08,594 So you got involved with Heaven Earth Church, you're on the 545 00:24:08,602 --> 00:24:11,560 music team, and you're one of the vocalists and. 546 00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:16,460 And just a part of life around Heaven Church in many ways. 547 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:19,196 Let me ask you this, though, Joanna. 548 00:24:19,228 --> 00:24:20,460 What keeps you here? 549 00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:21,880 What keeps you here? 550 00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:23,180 Family is one thing. 551 00:24:23,220 --> 00:24:23,964 I get that. 552 00:24:24,052 --> 00:24:25,196 Your brother's one thing. 553 00:24:25,268 --> 00:24:26,280 Right, right. 554 00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:30,428 But what beyond that keeps you here as part of heaven or church? 555 00:24:30,604 --> 00:24:35,000 I love that question, and I love when I get that question, because 556 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,168 I have, like I said, I've traveled. 557 00:24:38,284 --> 00:24:41,168 I've been to many, many churches. 558 00:24:41,344 --> 00:24:44,976 Different kinds, hole in the wall churches, big, huge churches, 559 00:24:45,168 --> 00:24:48,032 you know, all different kinds of kinds. 560 00:24:48,176 --> 00:24:52,420 And when I came here, I loved my brother's mission. 561 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,464 And it wasn't just my bias towards my brother. 562 00:24:56,512 --> 00:25:00,000 It was just the Sunday conversations were real. 563 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:00,940 They were. 564 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,500 They were just full of goodness, full of truth. 565 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,232 Churches I had been to in the past, I didn't know what their true 566 00:25:09,296 --> 00:25:11,020 mission in the community was. 567 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,088 You know, were they getting their hands dirty with things that 568 00:25:15,144 --> 00:25:20,272 weren't so pretty, like addiction or homelessness or, you 569 00:25:20,296 --> 00:25:22,080 know, what were they doing with their money? 570 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,272 And they were probably doing great things with their money. 571 00:25:24,296 --> 00:25:25,536 I just never asked. 572 00:25:25,688 --> 00:25:26,608 It was never. 573 00:25:26,744 --> 00:25:28,928 It was never told to me. 574 00:25:29,064 --> 00:25:32,400 Whereas here, I know exactly now, probably because I know how 575 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,840 honest my brother is and how responsible he is. 576 00:25:38,260 --> 00:25:45,452 But I know that any resource of my own, time, money, effort, singing, 577 00:25:45,516 --> 00:25:51,100 whatever gifts I pour out into this church, I know that are going 578 00:25:51,220 --> 00:25:52,220 towards good. 579 00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:59,292 I know that for me staying here, I just feel this sense of home. 580 00:25:59,476 --> 00:26:03,426 I also love that it's not a huge church, to be honest. 581 00:26:03,588 --> 00:26:06,006 If it was huge, we. 582 00:26:06,078 --> 00:26:07,734 You know, obviously we'll face. 583 00:26:07,902 --> 00:26:09,970 We'll face those things as they come. 584 00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:13,334 You know, I don't know what that would look like, I know that. 585 00:26:13,422 --> 00:26:14,294 Just the heart. 586 00:26:14,382 --> 00:26:19,062 Finally you found a place of heart, of home, beyond family ties, 587 00:26:19,126 --> 00:26:23,254 which is one thing, but you've also developed relationships beyond 588 00:26:23,302 --> 00:26:25,718 this small core that you kind of initially started with. 589 00:26:25,854 --> 00:26:28,150 You have through the music team and other things as well. 590 00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:29,792 It seems like to me, you developed some. 591 00:26:29,926 --> 00:26:31,436 Some relationships that are important to you. 592 00:26:31,508 --> 00:26:32,520 Is that fair? 593 00:26:33,220 --> 00:26:35,084 Growth, I think for me. 594 00:26:35,252 --> 00:26:36,076 And you know what? 595 00:26:36,148 --> 00:26:36,844 This is it. 596 00:26:36,932 --> 00:26:37,560 Growth. 597 00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:39,100 You're fine. 598 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:41,644 I felt like I was growing here. 599 00:26:41,732 --> 00:26:42,268 Growth. 600 00:26:42,404 --> 00:26:47,324 The Lord has given me all these gifts, has shown me his miracles, 601 00:26:47,452 --> 00:26:49,212 has shown me his wonders. 602 00:26:49,356 --> 00:26:53,212 Many times for me, I'm like, I need to grow. 603 00:26:53,316 --> 00:26:55,602 I need to be the hands and feet of Jesus. 604 00:26:55,796 --> 00:26:57,958 Where can I do that best? 605 00:26:58,094 --> 00:27:00,806 Where can I grow and just grow with others? 606 00:27:00,878 --> 00:27:05,798 So growth means not only being where you're at, but it also means 607 00:27:05,934 --> 00:27:06,890 extension. 608 00:27:07,550 --> 00:27:08,886 It means helping others. 609 00:27:08,958 --> 00:27:14,290 It means spreading the seeds, as it were, to grow more. 610 00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:18,150 So one of the things that's said here at Heaven Earth Church 611 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:22,930 is that the mission of the church is to make a lasting impact 612 00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:24,450 in our community. 613 00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:29,130 So I guess my question to you, Joanna, is, is that true? 614 00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:30,790 And how's. 615 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:32,166 How is that being done? 616 00:27:32,238 --> 00:27:33,650 How do you see that being done? 617 00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:37,942 The answer is yes. 618 00:27:38,086 --> 00:27:39,094 Is it true? 619 00:27:39,222 --> 00:27:41,450 In my heart of hearts, yes. 620 00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:45,062 Is there always more that can be done in our community and more 621 00:27:45,086 --> 00:27:45,974 around, Yes. 622 00:27:46,102 --> 00:27:46,646 I love. 623 00:27:46,718 --> 00:27:49,208 My brother, says I should call him Ross. 624 00:27:49,374 --> 00:27:52,724 What Ross says is, you can do some things about something. 625 00:27:52,812 --> 00:27:55,588 Whereas my brain gets carried away of, like, what are we gonna 626 00:27:55,604 --> 00:27:56,480 do about this? 627 00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:59,668 We gotta do something, you know, and he's like, you can do something 628 00:27:59,724 --> 00:28:00,500 about some things. 629 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:03,524 And I know that our church is doing something about some things. 630 00:28:03,692 --> 00:28:08,320 Now, that being said, I have volunteered many times. 631 00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:12,240 Not to puff myself up, but I have been able. 632 00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:16,804 My church creates opportunities for me to volunteer. 633 00:28:16,852 --> 00:28:20,146 Whereas when I came to the church, I remember being in the Vineyard, 634 00:28:20,178 --> 00:28:23,826 Columbus, back to Ohio, going back to Ohio and just asking people, 635 00:28:23,898 --> 00:28:25,586 how do I get involved here? 636 00:28:25,658 --> 00:28:27,010 How do I volunteer? 637 00:28:27,170 --> 00:28:28,594 It was such a big engine. 638 00:28:28,642 --> 00:28:30,050 I felt overwhelmed by that. 639 00:28:30,090 --> 00:28:30,594 Like, I. 640 00:28:30,682 --> 00:28:31,298 I don't. 641 00:28:31,394 --> 00:28:32,830 I don't know what I'm doing. 642 00:28:33,610 --> 00:28:35,106 And here I. 643 00:28:35,178 --> 00:28:36,850 It's just more feasible. 644 00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:41,186 They make it really accessible to sign up for something, to volunteer 645 00:28:41,218 --> 00:28:43,042 for something to do it. 646 00:28:43,146 --> 00:28:43,890 Even scared. 647 00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:44,466 Like, I. 648 00:28:44,538 --> 00:28:47,890 Sometimes there has been times where I've volunteered to do a food 649 00:28:47,930 --> 00:28:52,702 delivery or a gift delivery or out community outreach. 650 00:28:52,766 --> 00:28:52,990 Just. 651 00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:55,010 I've literally went door to door. 652 00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:58,030 And, you know, that's a lost, you know, behind. 653 00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:01,758 Besides our, you know, our Jehovah's wit, you know, Jehovah's 654 00:29:01,774 --> 00:29:03,950 Witness or I, you know, I'm not trying to throw anybody under 655 00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:04,542 the bridge here. 656 00:29:04,566 --> 00:29:05,214 Okay? 657 00:29:05,342 --> 00:29:08,382 But I'm just saying, like, I've actually done that because I 658 00:29:08,406 --> 00:29:12,382 wanted to get to know the community and Heaven Earth and, and 659 00:29:12,406 --> 00:29:17,000 the pastor here, Ross Stackhouse, has empowered me to do 660 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:17,240 that. 661 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,456 I wanted to know the neighbors. 662 00:29:18,488 --> 00:29:22,632 I want them to know that, yeah, maybe church is nowhere on 663 00:29:22,656 --> 00:29:26,712 their radar, but like, we're here, we're here and we, we want 664 00:29:26,736 --> 00:29:28,440 to know you, we want to help you. 665 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,896 We want to just. 666 00:29:29,968 --> 00:29:34,600 They made it Heaven Earth Church makes a way for me to get 667 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,192 involved in something or to share ideas. 668 00:29:37,256 --> 00:29:42,330 I have maybe those, those ear, those, those ideas will not be received, 669 00:29:42,790 --> 00:29:45,950 you know, to a listening ear, but hey, I'm welcome to give that 670 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:46,638 idea. 671 00:29:46,814 --> 00:29:50,510 So there's that aspect about making impact that has to do with 672 00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:53,022 partnerships and other things are going on here in the life of 673 00:29:53,046 --> 00:29:53,662 the church. 674 00:29:53,806 --> 00:29:57,518 Also, one of the other things that's said here quite often about 675 00:29:57,654 --> 00:30:01,310 life here at Heaven or church is that it's something to the fact 676 00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:05,166 of if you feel like you don't fit in church, you could fit in here 677 00:30:05,318 --> 00:30:08,526 and other things such as, you know, we're a church for misfits 678 00:30:08,558 --> 00:30:09,374 and things like that. 679 00:30:09,462 --> 00:30:10,574 First of all, is that true? 680 00:30:10,622 --> 00:30:12,382 And how do you see that played out? 681 00:30:12,406 --> 00:30:13,866 How's that manifested? 682 00:30:13,978 --> 00:30:15,018 Oh, yes. 683 00:30:15,194 --> 00:30:20,330 Oh yes, Brad, I, I have seen, you know, different walks of life 684 00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:21,562 come in the store. 685 00:30:21,706 --> 00:30:24,218 But I have a friend that attends this church who's a friend 686 00:30:24,274 --> 00:30:27,802 now, she wasn't always a friend who, you know, asked me to 687 00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:30,870 do a 12 if I wanted to do a 12 step program. 688 00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:35,962 You know, I was able to jump in there and I met so many different 689 00:30:36,066 --> 00:30:41,338 types of recovered addicts or addicts that were just trying to 690 00:30:41,394 --> 00:30:43,740 find their footing while they were in addiction. 691 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:48,872 I was going to learn more about myself with I, you know, I 692 00:30:48,896 --> 00:30:53,336 suffer from polycystic ovarian syndrome and I not to over share, 693 00:30:53,488 --> 00:30:57,032 but I have a, I have a bad relationship with food. 694 00:30:57,136 --> 00:31:01,128 So my body, it's a hormonal imbalance for those of you that don't 695 00:31:01,144 --> 00:31:01,700 know. 696 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,416 And so that was really hard to share with people because that's 697 00:31:05,448 --> 00:31:06,568 also not pretty. 698 00:31:06,744 --> 00:31:09,000 And so I was like, you know, let's see what I can learn about 699 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:09,400 myself. 700 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,422 And then I say this story to say I met so many people that I would 701 00:31:14,446 --> 00:31:21,210 have never really probably connected with of all different status 702 00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:24,070 of in all different places. 703 00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:27,542 And now we're the greatest of friends and we can all share our 704 00:31:27,566 --> 00:31:28,534 story with others. 705 00:31:28,702 --> 00:31:31,782 You Shared some of your vulnerability and they shared theirs. 706 00:31:31,846 --> 00:31:32,182 Yeah. 707 00:31:32,246 --> 00:31:33,302 And there was not. 708 00:31:33,406 --> 00:31:33,814 I'm. 709 00:31:33,862 --> 00:31:36,262 I'm not hearing a lot of judgment, a lot of things that are 710 00:31:36,286 --> 00:31:37,142 uncomfortable. 711 00:31:37,286 --> 00:31:39,170 You were all you were comfortable in. 712 00:31:39,910 --> 00:31:40,334 Yeah. 713 00:31:40,382 --> 00:31:44,446 Just, you know, there's people that walk in here, you know, chucked 714 00:31:44,478 --> 00:31:45,630 full of trauma. 715 00:31:45,790 --> 00:31:46,606 Chucked full. 716 00:31:46,678 --> 00:31:49,982 But some people, then there's like more of an elder stance. 717 00:31:50,046 --> 00:31:53,102 People that have already walked a lot of trauma and are on 718 00:31:53,126 --> 00:31:57,390 the other side of that, and they can help kind of, you know, 719 00:31:57,430 --> 00:32:01,054 wrangle people in and just spread love. 720 00:32:01,142 --> 00:32:05,512 And I think that this church is a church of love, a church of 721 00:32:05,536 --> 00:32:06,968 loving people where they're at. 722 00:32:07,024 --> 00:32:08,152 And to me, it's obvious. 723 00:32:08,216 --> 00:32:11,432 I've seen many people walk through the doors of this church, 724 00:32:11,496 --> 00:32:15,032 and I just don't feel as though there's any kind of judgment. 725 00:32:15,096 --> 00:32:17,592 I wanted to deeply be a part. 726 00:32:17,696 --> 00:32:21,780 I deeply wanted to be a part of something to where any person 727 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,552 that is sinning as they walk in the door or doing something to 728 00:32:26,576 --> 00:32:30,216 harm themselves as they walk through our doors, they can come 729 00:32:30,368 --> 00:32:32,060 because we are all. 730 00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:33,052 We are all. 731 00:32:33,156 --> 00:32:35,340 You know, I'm sinning every day. 732 00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:37,400 I'm doing things to sin all the time. 733 00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:41,400 You know that anybody in the throes of. 734 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:43,420 Of those things can just walk in. 735 00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:45,196 That we can just learn and grow together. 736 00:32:45,268 --> 00:32:48,892 That we can just follow and chase after Jesus together. 737 00:32:48,996 --> 00:32:51,132 Different walks of life can come together and. 738 00:32:51,236 --> 00:32:51,948 Yeah. 739 00:32:52,124 --> 00:32:53,036 And it's okay. 740 00:32:53,148 --> 00:32:53,484 Yeah. 741 00:32:53,532 --> 00:32:56,956 Having said that, now just give me just one. 742 00:32:57,028 --> 00:32:59,082 This is going to take me to my kind of. 743 00:32:59,106 --> 00:33:01,642 My last question for you, but give me just a nugget about your 744 00:33:01,666 --> 00:33:04,410 family, husband, kids, anything like that, any good thing 745 00:33:04,450 --> 00:33:05,610 or cool thing about them. 746 00:33:05,730 --> 00:33:06,442 Yes. 747 00:33:06,586 --> 00:33:13,230 So I am married to Shane Burnett, also known as Shani Baby 748 00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:15,290 Blueberry Love Muffin. 749 00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:16,554 He was my boy. 750 00:33:16,602 --> 00:33:17,994 This is a great story, Brad. 751 00:33:18,042 --> 00:33:19,482 I love my love story. 752 00:33:19,666 --> 00:33:23,834 So he was my boyfriend in sixth grade, and he was my rebound 753 00:33:23,882 --> 00:33:25,050 boyfriend, and we broke up. 754 00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:28,152 It didn't work out at that time, but I don't know if God was 755 00:33:28,176 --> 00:33:33,960 teasing us or what was going on because he found me in 2010 on 756 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,740 Facebook. 757 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,752 So I can't say too many bad things about Facebook because it. 758 00:33:39,856 --> 00:33:41,368 It brought my husband to me. 759 00:33:41,424 --> 00:33:46,040 So we fell madly in love in 2011, and we have been together since 760 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,232 2011, married since 2008, and we just. 761 00:33:50,416 --> 00:33:52,136 We just have so much fun. 762 00:33:52,208 --> 00:33:56,602 We just do things for others, for each other, for ourselves. 763 00:33:56,666 --> 00:34:00,026 We just walk this life and just roll with the punches together. 764 00:34:00,098 --> 00:34:01,226 He's just a great partner. 765 00:34:01,258 --> 00:34:03,738 He's my best friend, but we're just crazy about each other. 766 00:34:03,874 --> 00:34:05,658 We wanted to have our own children. 767 00:34:05,714 --> 00:34:07,738 And that's another thing, you know, a couple years. 768 00:34:07,794 --> 00:34:10,458 You know, I guess it's been a year and a half to two years now. 769 00:34:10,514 --> 00:34:11,018 We. 770 00:34:11,154 --> 00:34:12,442 We weren't blessed with children. 771 00:34:12,546 --> 00:34:13,754 We fought that battle. 772 00:34:13,802 --> 00:34:15,162 We fought that hard fight. 773 00:34:15,266 --> 00:34:19,123 We fought fertility for a while, and it just. 774 00:34:19,241 --> 00:34:23,231 It wasn't something, you know, I felt the Lord telling me, I know 775 00:34:23,255 --> 00:34:25,103 the desires of your heart, Joanna. 776 00:34:25,231 --> 00:34:26,367 I would give you the des. 777 00:34:26,423 --> 00:34:28,783 I would give you the desires of your heart, but I felt the Lord 778 00:34:28,831 --> 00:34:31,887 protecting me and that I. 779 00:34:31,943 --> 00:34:34,175 I truly felt the Lord through all my prayer. 780 00:34:34,207 --> 00:34:36,095 I mean, trust me, I prayed and prayed and prayed. 781 00:34:36,127 --> 00:34:37,695 I had others praying for me. 782 00:34:37,767 --> 00:34:39,519 I wanted miracles for myself. 783 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,911 And I felt the Lord saying, I would give you the desires of your 784 00:34:42,935 --> 00:34:43,775 heart, Joanna. 785 00:34:43,807 --> 00:34:45,215 But there's a reason I'm not. 786 00:34:45,287 --> 00:34:45,759 And I. 787 00:34:45,799 --> 00:34:47,426 I don't know if it's just that I. 788 00:34:47,498 --> 00:34:50,210 It wouldn't have been a good journey for me to have a child or 789 00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:51,314 what that would have been. 790 00:34:51,482 --> 00:34:55,762 But I do feel nudge sometimes to go down the journey, you know, 791 00:34:55,786 --> 00:35:00,018 to find, you know, a way to adopt or something like that. 792 00:35:00,074 --> 00:35:02,530 But no, we love spending time. 793 00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:06,786 I just had my two nieces and my nephew all, you know, all weekend. 794 00:35:06,898 --> 00:35:10,674 And so we love pouring ourselves out to other. 795 00:35:10,842 --> 00:35:13,778 Ask you about your marriage and your family life a little bit 796 00:35:13,834 --> 00:35:16,658 there, and we got a little bit your background there to give you 797 00:35:16,794 --> 00:35:18,662 kind of a context for the question. 798 00:35:18,746 --> 00:35:22,206 Want to kind of bring our conversation around to here, Joanna, 799 00:35:22,238 --> 00:35:23,086 that is this. 800 00:35:23,238 --> 00:35:27,694 If there's people in your life outside your church life now, connected 801 00:35:27,742 --> 00:35:32,238 to your marriage or your family or your workplace or social 802 00:35:32,294 --> 00:35:36,670 life or anything else along that line, that you know someone 803 00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:40,606 that you have a relationship with who is some issue in life, whatever 804 00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:45,608 it is, marital, financial, workplace, health, and they confide 805 00:35:45,624 --> 00:35:46,280 in you in some way. 806 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,552 Do you think that heaven or church would be a place that you 807 00:35:48,576 --> 00:35:50,584 could invite them to become a part of? 808 00:35:50,752 --> 00:35:53,380 And if so, why? 809 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:55,660 Absolutely. 810 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,260 If I could. 811 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,368 If I could just get every person I know that's fighting a battle 812 00:36:03,464 --> 00:36:10,060 or struggling with something to understand where a relationship 813 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,272 with God, the knowledge that Jesus can give them and what they 814 00:36:15,296 --> 00:36:19,576 can gain, and that our church could be the vessel, I would. 815 00:36:19,648 --> 00:36:20,232 Oh, my goodness. 816 00:36:20,296 --> 00:36:21,928 I would just shout it from the mountaintop. 817 00:36:21,944 --> 00:36:22,824 I would tell everyone. 818 00:36:22,912 --> 00:36:23,700 I would. 819 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,928 Because it's all about just taking that first step, right? 820 00:36:27,984 --> 00:36:30,376 Like people are afraid to walk into the doors of a church. 821 00:36:30,408 --> 00:36:35,896 I think sometimes just taking that first step to say sometimes 822 00:36:35,928 --> 00:36:38,970 on the other side of fear or discomfort is Goodness. 823 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,182 So sometimes part of the first step is invitation, too. 824 00:36:42,286 --> 00:36:42,998 It is. 825 00:36:43,134 --> 00:36:43,766 You're right. 826 00:36:43,838 --> 00:36:45,158 And guess what? 827 00:36:45,294 --> 00:36:46,918 I'm not always good at invitation. 828 00:36:47,014 --> 00:36:48,742 Sometimes I'm scared to invite people. 829 00:36:48,846 --> 00:36:51,638 Sometimes I'm like, what are they gonna think if I'm like, hey, 830 00:36:51,734 --> 00:36:53,558 I want you to come to heaven or church. 831 00:36:53,654 --> 00:36:53,974 Yeah. 832 00:36:54,022 --> 00:36:55,686 You know, part of that invitation process. 833 00:36:55,758 --> 00:36:59,110 Is a place that you feel that's confident that they could 834 00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:00,118 be fine. 835 00:37:00,214 --> 00:37:01,014 Oh, my goodness. 836 00:37:01,142 --> 00:37:02,022 Without a doubt. 837 00:37:02,086 --> 00:37:02,598 Without a doubt. 838 00:37:02,614 --> 00:37:06,238 What I want people to know is they can come here, grow, learn, 839 00:37:06,334 --> 00:37:06,974 make friends. 840 00:37:07,062 --> 00:37:10,302 If you want to sit by yourself and don't make friends and just kind 841 00:37:10,326 --> 00:37:15,134 of take some steps to learn something that you didn't know. 842 00:37:15,302 --> 00:37:16,350 And maybe you. 843 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:17,902 Maybe they can't come to church. 844 00:37:17,966 --> 00:37:22,110 We have our online community who, you know, people can just show 845 00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:24,590 up and, you know, not be seen as much. 846 00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:24,990 If they. 847 00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:28,478 If that's what they prefer or if it's just a distance, I really 848 00:37:28,534 --> 00:37:30,190 recommend that people start there. 849 00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:34,262 If they're afraid to come into church physically and in person, 850 00:37:34,366 --> 00:37:37,334 that they should start there and just, well, let's go. 851 00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:37,830 There for a second. 852 00:37:37,870 --> 00:37:41,782 Because this is a tool, this podcast and the video goes with it 853 00:37:41,806 --> 00:37:43,766 will be used as a tool to help other people. 854 00:37:43,918 --> 00:37:48,310 So what would you say to that person who has a challenge in life? 855 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:50,454 What would you say to them about what would they would find 856 00:37:50,542 --> 00:37:52,374 here at Heaven Earth Church? 857 00:37:52,422 --> 00:37:55,810 What would you say to that invitation type thing to that person? 858 00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:59,138 I think that they would find love and goodness and light. 859 00:37:59,294 --> 00:38:03,098 I think that they would find the fruits of the spirit with Jesus. 860 00:38:03,274 --> 00:38:05,482 For those of you that don't know the fruits of the spirit and 861 00:38:05,506 --> 00:38:09,950 goodness, don't test me, but it's love, patience, kindness, joy, 862 00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:11,470 discipline. 863 00:38:11,970 --> 00:38:13,002 Okay, I don't know them all. 864 00:38:13,026 --> 00:38:14,042 Okay, but look up the fruits. 865 00:38:14,106 --> 00:38:15,114 Google the fruits of the spirit. 866 00:38:15,162 --> 00:38:18,250 Okay, but you're saying that people would find that here? 867 00:38:18,370 --> 00:38:19,706 Yes, they would find that. 868 00:38:19,778 --> 00:38:21,322 And I think that that would be. 869 00:38:21,426 --> 00:38:22,858 That would drive them. 870 00:38:22,994 --> 00:38:26,350 That would drive them to follow Jesus and be a disciple. 871 00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:28,174 Because it's not about. 872 00:38:28,322 --> 00:38:29,702 In my mind, that should be. 873 00:38:29,726 --> 00:38:31,590 That love should be the driving force. 874 00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:36,390 Not, not, oh, my goodness, I'm going to hell if I'm a sinner. 875 00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:39,590 You know, that that should be the driving force. 876 00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:40,610 That light. 877 00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:44,886 That light that's just so bright, like in my car that day, 878 00:38:45,038 --> 00:38:45,398 that. 879 00:38:45,454 --> 00:38:49,014 That warm, blinding light of change just coming off of you. 880 00:38:49,102 --> 00:38:51,862 So you want to hear people that have experienced the warm, the 881 00:38:51,886 --> 00:38:56,054 warmth and the light and the love, and I appreciate that, period. 882 00:38:56,142 --> 00:38:59,882 Well, you've been awesome here today, Joanna, and just appreciate 883 00:39:00,006 --> 00:39:04,274 sharing with the folks who are a part of the Heaven Earth Church 884 00:39:04,322 --> 00:39:07,874 community and those who may be considering connecting up with the 885 00:39:07,882 --> 00:39:09,186 Heaven Earth Church community. 886 00:39:09,338 --> 00:39:13,586 Her name is Joanna Burnett and she happens to be the sister of Ross 887 00:39:13,618 --> 00:39:16,594 Stackhouse, the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church, and 888 00:39:16,602 --> 00:39:19,778 she's been our guest today here on the Heaven and Earth Church 889 00:39:19,874 --> 00:39:20,790 Podcast. 890 00:39:21,610 --> 00:39:24,290 We want to thank you for spending time with us today. 891 00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:27,930 My name is Ross Stackhouse, the pastor to Heaven Earth Church, 892 00:39:28,090 --> 00:39:31,338 and you may think out there that your story is over, but in fact, 893 00:39:31,394 --> 00:39:34,634 your faith story may just be beginning. 894 00:39:34,762 --> 00:39:37,546 If you want more information about our church or you're interested 895 00:39:37,578 --> 00:39:41,706 in the next step, you can go to heavenearthchurch.org Otherwise, 896 00:39:41,818 --> 00:39:44,794 we look forward to being with you next time at the Heaven Earth 897 00:39:44,842 --> 00:39:46,110 Church podcast.