1 00:00:00,271 --> 00:00:05,241 Holly: In this episode, I am talking specifically to people 2 00:00:05,261 --> 00:00:10,451 who have been in web design for, let's say, less than three years. 3 00:00:10,771 --> 00:00:14,211 And if you have been in web design for longer than that, please do stick around 4 00:00:14,221 --> 00:00:16,941 'cause I do think there's some stuff that you're going to learn from this. 5 00:00:16,951 --> 00:00:23,381 It's just I really wanted to reach out and have a chat with you if you are early in 6 00:00:23,381 --> 00:00:29,031 your web design journey and just feel like you could use a little bit more support. 7 00:00:33,545 --> 00:00:38,275 I really wanted to use this episode to talk to you about my own journey with 8 00:00:38,275 --> 00:00:43,615 web design because, as you'll often hear me say, web design is very often 9 00:00:43,635 --> 00:00:48,895 a self-taught industry, which means that when we come into it, we come 10 00:00:48,895 --> 00:00:53,985 into it for different angles, we come in with different experience, using 11 00:00:53,985 --> 00:00:59,345 different tools, and it's really easy to stop and think, "I'm not doing it 12 00:00:59,345 --> 00:01:04,185 right," especially when there are more experienced people in the industry who 13 00:01:04,185 --> 00:01:08,115 are saying, "You should be doing it this way," or, "My way is the right way." 14 00:01:08,485 --> 00:01:13,125 And if you've come across people who have said that to you or made you 15 00:01:13,125 --> 00:01:19,685 feel less than, I have an episode of the podcast called Stop Tech Shaming 16 00:01:20,275 --> 00:01:24,195 and why there is no space for tech shaming within the industry, and 17 00:01:24,205 --> 00:01:26,005 do go and have a listen to that. 18 00:01:26,265 --> 00:01:30,025 You can hear all about my own experiences of being tech shamed as 19 00:01:30,025 --> 00:01:36,715 well, and how usually if someone is tech shaming you, it is a reflection 20 00:01:36,715 --> 00:01:41,835 of them feeling uncertain within their own experience rather than yours. 21 00:01:42,216 --> 00:01:48,194 But Let's get started on how I can use this episode to support you in feeling 22 00:01:48,234 --> 00:01:53,779 more confident and having slightly better practices in your web design career. 23 00:01:54,379 --> 00:01:54,569 Ready? 24 00:01:55,379 --> 00:01:56,259 Let's get started. 25 00:02:02,529 --> 00:02:08,879 So the very first thing I'm going to say is if you can invest in your 26 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,679 web design career, do invest in it. 27 00:02:12,099 --> 00:02:15,989 And that might sound a bit crazy because y- most people would 28 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:17,469 have to invest in their career. 29 00:02:17,499 --> 00:02:20,999 If they're a coach, they're going to have to invest in coach training. 30 00:02:21,299 --> 00:02:24,119 If they're selling products, they have to invest in the products 31 00:02:24,119 --> 00:02:25,209 that they're going to be selling. 32 00:02:25,559 --> 00:02:31,259 But web design is a little bit different, and often web designers 33 00:02:31,259 --> 00:02:33,319 have really scrappy setups. 34 00:02:33,359 --> 00:02:37,829 And by scrappy, I mean they might have a theme license, or they might 35 00:02:37,829 --> 00:02:41,959 be working off a free version of Elementor, and all they really need 36 00:02:41,969 --> 00:02:46,419 is a laptop that they have already, bit of hosting, and off they go. 37 00:02:46,859 --> 00:02:50,919 And that's great, y- because it means as well that the profits 38 00:02:50,929 --> 00:02:54,729 and the margins on web design projects can be really high as well. 39 00:02:54,839 --> 00:02:56,379 And brilliant. 40 00:02:56,739 --> 00:02:58,769 But there is also a lack of 41 00:03:02,709 --> 00:03:08,429 confidence that can come when you don't invest because to a certain extent, 42 00:03:08,519 --> 00:03:10,069 you're not really backing yourself. 43 00:03:10,069 --> 00:03:13,199 You're just saying, "Oh, I'm just … I'm making this work, I'm making it work, 44 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:19,079 I'm making it work." And it comes down to how we see the money in our 45 00:03:19,079 --> 00:03:24,069 business as well, and I've also got an episode about this, about outsourcing 46 00:03:24,079 --> 00:03:25,529 within your web design business. 47 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,649 Now, you might not be in a position where outsourcing is right for you 48 00:03:29,649 --> 00:03:34,619 right now, but what the episode does talk about is how we view money in our 49 00:03:34,619 --> 00:03:38,799 web design business and how we use that money in the web design business as well. 50 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:44,089 Because we can have this real temptation, especially in the early days, to hang 51 00:03:44,089 --> 00:03:47,759 on to every bit of money that we earn within the business and say, "Right, 52 00:03:47,789 --> 00:03:49,829 I need to use that for my salary." 53 00:03:50,179 --> 00:03:55,519 But actually, in the same way that you need to kind of spend money to make money, 54 00:03:55,839 --> 00:03:58,179 that's very true in this case as well. 55 00:03:59,011 --> 00:04:02,731 And I am all about us working to best practices as well. 56 00:04:02,741 --> 00:04:07,181 So when you are investing in your web design business, you want to be investing 57 00:04:07,181 --> 00:04:08,851 in some really good themes as well. 58 00:04:09,151 --> 00:04:11,971 And those aren't free themes. 59 00:04:12,281 --> 00:04:15,301 They might be ones that have a lifetime license in some 60 00:04:15,301 --> 00:04:17,431 cases or an annual license. 61 00:04:17,451 --> 00:04:21,561 You might want to bite the bullet and go for, like, the agency pricing 62 00:04:21,561 --> 00:04:24,891 model as well, especially if they're doing kind of a one-off pricing. 63 00:04:25,221 --> 00:04:30,561 But do make sure that you are putting that investment in because you will get 64 00:04:30,561 --> 00:04:35,171 much better tools, much better results, and you will be handing over a higher 65 00:04:35,171 --> 00:04:37,071 quality product to your clients as well. 66 00:04:37,241 --> 00:04:42,101 And ultimately, the websites that we're building, they are for our clients. 67 00:04:42,101 --> 00:04:45,761 You know, once we've finished the project, we step away from it, but 68 00:04:45,801 --> 00:04:48,571 they're the ones who's left with it, and we want to be able to say we've 69 00:04:48,571 --> 00:04:51,121 left them with a really good product. 70 00:04:52,331 --> 00:04:57,441 And at the same time as investing in things like themes, you want to make 71 00:04:57,441 --> 00:05:02,871 sure that you've invested in things like your insurance as well, and you want to 72 00:05:02,881 --> 00:05:06,191 have legally compliant contracts as well. 73 00:05:06,231 --> 00:05:10,531 And if you don't have a contract and you don't have terms of service, 74 00:05:10,881 --> 00:05:14,921 then go along to my website that accompanies this podcast, which is 75 00:05:14,921 --> 00:05:20,151 called websitesmadesimple.co.uk, and you will see that I have the website 76 00:05:20,161 --> 00:05:21,901 designer's contract pack there. 77 00:05:22,291 --> 00:05:26,441 It has every type of contract which is compliant to UK law as 78 00:05:26,441 --> 00:05:30,281 well that will support you in running your web design business. 79 00:05:30,321 --> 00:05:34,131 And that might be the actual contracts that you use with clients, the terms 80 00:05:34,131 --> 00:05:38,921 of service that you use with clients, but it's also hosting contracts, 81 00:05:38,921 --> 00:05:42,917 hosting maintenance, working with freelancers, all that sort of thing. 82 00:05:42,947 --> 00:05:47,897 It's all there, and it's a pay for once, use it with every single client. 83 00:05:47,937 --> 00:05:54,357 But I promise you, investing properly in the setup stuff is really important, 84 00:05:54,417 --> 00:05:55,907 especially in the early days. 85 00:05:57,317 --> 00:06:03,947 So the next thing I wanted to advise you is to focus on an area where 86 00:06:04,087 --> 00:06:06,967 you can improve or learn every year. 87 00:06:07,717 --> 00:06:12,417 So every year I choose something new to focus on with web design, and 88 00:06:12,477 --> 00:06:18,667 that might be that I want to build lighter weight, slimmer sites that 89 00:06:18,667 --> 00:06:23,097 are smaller on the server load, and so it might mean that I start using new 90 00:06:23,097 --> 00:06:25,397 tools or new themes for doing that. 91 00:06:25,877 --> 00:06:31,287 One year I decided to go all in on focusing on accessibility as well because 92 00:06:31,287 --> 00:06:36,517 I absolutely believe that everybody should be able to access websites. 93 00:06:36,587 --> 00:06:39,317 And not everyone's going to be sitting there with a keyboard 94 00:06:39,317 --> 00:06:40,917 and mouse or a mobile phone. 95 00:06:41,347 --> 00:06:45,827 And it's really important that we know that our websites can be navigated 96 00:06:45,877 --> 00:06:48,177 through the, Fuck, what's that word? 97 00:06:49,267 --> 00:06:50,227 Not keypad. 98 00:06:50,327 --> 00:06:50,807 Keyboard. 99 00:06:50,957 --> 00:06:51,377 That's it. 100 00:06:51,497 --> 00:06:51,847 Okay. 101 00:06:51,857 --> 00:06:53,227 I'm so sorry. 102 00:06:55,227 --> 00:06:58,317 That our website can be navigated using just the keyboard. 103 00:06:59,137 --> 00:07:03,027 It's also really important that if someone is partially sighted or having 104 00:07:03,027 --> 00:07:05,887 a website read to them through a screen reader, that we've got things 105 00:07:05,887 --> 00:07:10,465 like our alt tags in place and that the clickable links tell people where 106 00:07:10,465 --> 00:07:12,767 they're going to go, all of those things. 107 00:07:12,767 --> 00:07:16,857 And then there's everyday accessibility that we don't necessarily think about. 108 00:07:16,857 --> 00:07:20,827 So for example, left-handed users are going to struggle if all of the 109 00:07:20,827 --> 00:07:22,587 menus are on the right-hand side. 110 00:07:23,427 --> 00:07:25,827 So that's all these little pieces that we learn. 111 00:07:26,147 --> 00:07:29,227 And there, there's just so much to learn. 112 00:07:29,237 --> 00:07:33,767 But the more that you nail down and really specialize in a different area 113 00:07:33,807 --> 00:07:37,097 each time you go to learn something, and I'm not saying that you should 114 00:07:37,107 --> 00:07:38,587 be learning something all the time. 115 00:07:38,587 --> 00:07:41,857 As I say, every year I just think I'm gonna go all in on something, 116 00:07:42,257 --> 00:07:44,337 and that could be your focus as well. 117 00:07:44,717 --> 00:07:47,457 But we learn on the job, absolutely. 118 00:07:47,507 --> 00:07:52,567 And in most cases, every time we build a new website, we build a better website. 119 00:07:52,567 --> 00:07:53,757 We're learning something new. 120 00:07:54,037 --> 00:07:55,627 We're stretching ourselves. 121 00:07:56,007 --> 00:08:00,657 And just having some solid knowledge to back that up can really help. 122 00:08:01,077 --> 00:08:04,497 And this doesn't have to come necessarily from an online 123 00:08:04,497 --> 00:08:06,617 course or paid-for resources. 124 00:08:06,957 --> 00:08:11,377 You can go out there, you can read some blogs, you can look at white papers. 125 00:08:11,417 --> 00:08:15,287 You can follow people on LinkedIn who are really well known in the industry. 126 00:08:15,597 --> 00:08:17,187 You can listen to podcasts. 127 00:08:17,247 --> 00:08:21,407 For example, someone I work with, Nikki Pilkington, she has a 128 00:08:21,407 --> 00:08:23,787 podcast called SEO Fucking What. 129 00:08:24,157 --> 00:08:28,297 My podcast producer may bleep out the F-ing in that because, uh, I 130 00:08:28,297 --> 00:08:29,797 like to not have explicit content. 131 00:08:30,187 --> 00:08:32,937 But her stuff's amazing for SEO, and I listen to it. 132 00:08:32,937 --> 00:08:36,357 It releases every Sunday, and I often come away really inspired and 133 00:08:36,357 --> 00:08:38,097 then go and action what she's done. 134 00:08:38,417 --> 00:08:42,027 But learning about SEO is, like, pretty much the best thing that you can do 135 00:08:42,227 --> 00:08:46,877 for your web design career as well, because having websites which rank 136 00:08:46,877 --> 00:08:51,427 highly on Google is, well, A, only a good thing, but B, it's gonna have 137 00:08:51,427 --> 00:08:53,727 people wanting to come to you as well. 138 00:08:54,517 --> 00:09:01,175 So When you're in those earlier stages of your web design career, you are 139 00:09:01,265 --> 00:09:06,295 still figuring a lot of stuff out through the client interactions and 140 00:09:06,295 --> 00:09:10,215 think, "Oh gosh, I don't want to do it that way that time or next time," 141 00:09:10,225 --> 00:09:12,265 or you think, "This really worked. 142 00:09:12,635 --> 00:09:19,345 I want to make sure I do that again." And that can happen well with onboarding 143 00:09:19,375 --> 00:09:22,005 clients, but also with off-boarding them. 144 00:09:22,525 --> 00:09:26,535 So with onboarding, we want to make sure that we have all the things that 145 00:09:26,535 --> 00:09:31,045 we need to get them started and get the project started and running smoothly. 146 00:09:31,485 --> 00:09:38,665 And usually, a smooth onboarding is going to determine how well the project works. 147 00:09:38,975 --> 00:09:44,505 So for example, I always absolutely insist with clients that I have all 148 00:09:44,505 --> 00:09:48,245 of the content for their website up front before we start the build, and 149 00:09:48,245 --> 00:09:54,165 that means the website copy, the brand assets, all the images, any links they 150 00:09:54,165 --> 00:09:58,315 want to link to, for example, Calendly or anything like that, before we get 151 00:09:58,315 --> 00:10:03,455 started because drip-fed content is a miserable experience for both the 152 00:10:03,455 --> 00:10:05,825 designer but also for the client. 153 00:10:06,195 --> 00:10:09,815 Clients often-- You've got to bear in mind that when they're commissioning 154 00:10:09,835 --> 00:10:13,735 websites, they have all of their own work that they're doing at the same time. 155 00:10:14,105 --> 00:10:18,335 And so often getting the website content isn't a priority for them. 156 00:10:18,705 --> 00:10:22,665 And if you get started before you have this content from them, it's 157 00:10:22,725 --> 00:10:25,355 this stop-start, disjointed process. 158 00:10:25,375 --> 00:10:26,585 You're chasing them up. 159 00:10:26,605 --> 00:10:31,195 They're feeling bad they haven't got it to you, and nobody wins in this scenario. 160 00:10:31,885 --> 00:10:37,655 So having a really rigid onboarding process can really support everyone 161 00:10:37,685 --> 00:10:41,735 here because it gives the client the incentive to get things to you. 162 00:10:42,135 --> 00:10:46,445 But it also, holding that boundary makes them feel good about the project. 163 00:10:46,495 --> 00:10:51,455 Because as much as some clients like to tap, tap in all the time it actually 164 00:10:51,455 --> 00:10:54,995 when they come out the other side of it, they often say, "Oh, I just felt 165 00:10:55,005 --> 00:10:58,255 like I had to be on the designer's case all the time, and I just couldn't relax 166 00:10:58,255 --> 00:11:02,915 until it was done." And having that really good process will help with that. 167 00:11:03,775 --> 00:11:08,165 And in my Web Designer's Contract Pack, I talk about the 168 00:11:08,165 --> 00:11:09,635 onboarding within that as well. 169 00:11:09,655 --> 00:11:12,555 I've also got some episodes on the podcast 170 00:11:15,035 --> 00:11:15,217 if you want to go through the back catalog around this. 171 00:11:15,217 --> 00:11:19,475 I do also have the Website Designer's Onboarding pack available on the website. 172 00:11:19,495 --> 00:11:23,145 If you want something that's downloadable, that's white label that you can just go 173 00:11:23,185 --> 00:11:27,605 and use for your own clients, then you are welcome to go and check it out as well. 174 00:11:29,995 --> 00:11:36,635 So the next thing I wanted to talk about really was about your marketing yourself. 175 00:11:36,665 --> 00:11:40,585 'Cause it's all well and good me saying, once the clients come in, come 176 00:11:40,825 --> 00:11:42,645 and do this or use this or do that. 177 00:11:42,945 --> 00:11:46,045 But if you don't have clients, then it's all going to feel 178 00:11:46,075 --> 00:11:47,725 a little bit pie in the sky. 179 00:11:48,205 --> 00:11:54,605 And when you are looking at selling websites, you are going 180 00:11:54,605 --> 00:11:56,935 up against so many other people. 181 00:11:57,195 --> 00:12:00,915 And how do people choose to work with you over someone else? 182 00:12:01,305 --> 00:12:06,465 And there's always going to be the know, like, and trust factor in sales. 183 00:12:06,485 --> 00:12:11,415 It happens in everyone's sales, and it means that people like to work 184 00:12:11,415 --> 00:12:15,065 with someone they feel that they know, someone they feel they like, someone 185 00:12:15,065 --> 00:12:16,765 they feel that they trust as well. 186 00:12:17,195 --> 00:12:23,985 And getting known for something within the industry can help build that reputation. 187 00:12:24,005 --> 00:12:26,205 It can help you stand out a little bit. 188 00:12:26,575 --> 00:12:30,905 Now, some people would say go all in on the repelling content, be 189 00:12:30,905 --> 00:12:34,725 controversial, get known for really hating something or being this or that. 190 00:12:35,125 --> 00:12:38,675 And if that's your bag, absolutely knock yourself out doing it. 191 00:12:38,675 --> 00:12:42,475 But I would say often people who do that are a little better known within 192 00:12:42,475 --> 00:12:43,995 their industry before they start. 193 00:12:44,395 --> 00:12:50,305 But it could be that you get known for being all in on accessibility, or 194 00:12:50,325 --> 00:12:54,855 you get known for being all in for a particularly popular type of software 195 00:12:55,295 --> 00:13:01,605 you use, or I got very well known for my processes being very strong, that people, 196 00:13:01,625 --> 00:13:05,015 they'd get the website that they were promised, and they'd love the website 197 00:13:05,035 --> 00:13:08,685 and all of that, but most importantly, they would love the experience. 198 00:13:09,015 --> 00:13:13,295 And I am really proud of having set that up, and that works for both 199 00:13:13,295 --> 00:13:19,725 my web design clients and the web designers who I mentor as well, that my 200 00:13:19,755 --> 00:13:24,265 processes are really strong, and we've always got that we've got this kind of 201 00:13:24,275 --> 00:13:26,795 attitude to it, and it really helps. 202 00:13:26,805 --> 00:13:33,655 So maybe take some time and just plot down some ideas of What you think you're 203 00:13:33,665 --> 00:13:35,965 really good at within your industry. 204 00:13:35,985 --> 00:13:40,475 It could be that you're really good at fixing problems, or you're really 205 00:13:40,775 --> 00:13:44,315 innovative when it comes up with solutions for, let's say, a booking 206 00:13:44,315 --> 00:13:49,735 system or this or that, or you love creating custom plugins, or you love 207 00:13:49,745 --> 00:13:53,665 the relationship with clients and you want to build on that or whatever else. 208 00:13:53,685 --> 00:14:00,055 It- Jot down some ideas and then start thinking about which ones of those would 209 00:14:00,055 --> 00:14:03,795 you really like people to know you for. 210 00:14:03,805 --> 00:14:08,765 So if someone was recommending you, people recommend me and they say, "Oh, Holly's 211 00:14:08,765 --> 00:14:12,015 the one you want to work with for this because you are gonna have a great time. 212 00:14:12,035 --> 00:14:17,145 If you've been left feeling nervous or let down by a previous developer, you need to 213 00:14:17,145 --> 00:14:22,665 work with Holly." And so insert your name here, what you want to be known for, and 214 00:14:22,665 --> 00:14:24,785 start creating some content around that. 215 00:14:25,205 --> 00:14:29,155 And I know in the early days that we can think, "Who am I to say that?" 216 00:14:29,205 --> 00:14:31,285 It all feels a bit aspirational. 217 00:14:31,615 --> 00:14:33,415 But back yourself. 218 00:14:33,555 --> 00:14:34,795 No one else is going to. 219 00:14:34,865 --> 00:14:36,155 You need to back yourself. 220 00:14:36,465 --> 00:14:43,722 So, get confident and get doing it So the next thing I would say is do not 221 00:14:43,782 --> 00:14:46,422 worry about what everybody else is doing. 222 00:14:46,492 --> 00:14:51,582 And I think if there's anything I would ever be known for, written down for, 223 00:14:51,882 --> 00:14:55,852 is that for the last 10 years I've been advising small business owners 224 00:14:55,852 --> 00:14:59,142 who I work with, and more recently website designers and developers 225 00:14:59,142 --> 00:15:01,152 who I mentor stay in your lane. 226 00:15:01,512 --> 00:15:03,332 Do not worry about what other people are doing. 227 00:15:03,342 --> 00:15:05,412 You know, people come to me and they say, "Who's your 228 00:15:05,412 --> 00:15:07,112 competition?" Said, "I don't know. 229 00:15:07,882 --> 00:15:12,282 I have no idea who my competitors are." All I know is that I am 230 00:15:12,372 --> 00:15:16,422 doing my work in the way that I want to do it with integrity. 231 00:15:16,482 --> 00:15:20,842 I am backing myself, and I am not getting distracted by what 232 00:15:20,842 --> 00:15:21,942 the competition are doing. 233 00:15:22,322 --> 00:15:26,752 I am making sure my focus is fully on achieving the business goals 234 00:15:27,032 --> 00:15:29,532 and supporting web designers in achieving their goals as well. 235 00:15:30,222 --> 00:15:34,572 And so often people compare themselves to others, they get 236 00:15:34,652 --> 00:15:38,032 absolute imposter syndrome, or they go into a freeze response. 237 00:15:38,402 --> 00:15:42,242 They think, "I can't do it like that." And often the only difference 238 00:15:42,272 --> 00:15:46,182 between you and the other person is confidence, is the other person is just 239 00:15:46,182 --> 00:15:47,842 confidently putting themselves out there. 240 00:15:48,262 --> 00:15:52,812 So get known for something, ignore the competition, stay in 241 00:15:52,812 --> 00:15:55,092 your lane, and just keep putting a foot in front of each other. 242 00:15:55,892 --> 00:15:59,132 With it as well collect reviews. 243 00:15:59,642 --> 00:16:01,592 There's so many times we don't do this. 244 00:16:01,622 --> 00:16:05,282 If you think like I have built hundreds of websites, and if you look at my Google, 245 00:16:05,282 --> 00:16:07,262 it's got like 42 reviews or something. 246 00:16:07,602 --> 00:16:13,722 So I remind myself of this at the same time that I remind you, ask for the 247 00:16:13,722 --> 00:16:16,112 review when you hand over the website. 248 00:16:16,452 --> 00:16:19,842 And I do this, but I often just don't follow it up. 249 00:16:19,892 --> 00:16:22,472 And so I'm gonna use this as a note to myself to actually follow 250 00:16:22,472 --> 00:16:25,972 up some more recent website builds and ask them to leave me a review. 251 00:16:26,442 --> 00:16:32,392 Because leaving a review for someone lets other people know what the experience 252 00:16:32,392 --> 00:16:38,092 has been like, what they can expect, and obviously it goes towards credibility. 253 00:16:38,172 --> 00:16:42,462 On slow days on LinkedIn, you can post a nice photo of your review. 254 00:16:42,732 --> 00:16:45,072 It is only good things as well. 255 00:16:45,092 --> 00:16:50,442 So do have-- I have a line at the end when I hand over the website stuff, say, y- "If 256 00:16:50,442 --> 00:16:53,852 you've enjoyed working together, please would you consider leaving me a review. 257 00:16:53,882 --> 00:16:57,502 Here's the link to do that." So I make it super easy for people to do it as well. 258 00:16:57,935 --> 00:17:00,164 what I should do is follow up a few days later. 259 00:17:00,165 --> 00:17:00,987 So, get reviews. 260 00:17:01,017 --> 00:17:05,247 Because also it's really good when you're having a day where it just 261 00:17:05,317 --> 00:17:08,517 feels a little bit overwhelming or, you know, it's not coming together, 262 00:17:08,787 --> 00:17:11,607 you can look back through those reviews and think, "No, I do know this. 263 00:17:11,647 --> 00:17:17,449 I have got this." And the final thing I'd like to leave you with 264 00:17:17,489 --> 00:17:19,939 today is consider getting a mentor. 265 00:17:20,719 --> 00:17:26,179 Often we think that we will go for mentorship when we can afford it, 266 00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:32,459 when we've made enough money, and often we're never in the early days 267 00:17:32,489 --> 00:17:35,089 gonna feel like we've made enough money or that we can afford it. 268 00:17:35,089 --> 00:17:39,369 You know, we, as I said earlier, uh, in one of my previous episodes, that 269 00:17:39,369 --> 00:17:43,409 we look at, at the income that comes in and think, "Oh gosh, I've gotta save 270 00:17:43,439 --> 00:17:46,229 that for a rainy day," or, "I've gotta put this over this many sessions," 271 00:17:46,229 --> 00:17:48,508 or, we allocate it in our mind. 272 00:17:48,548 --> 00:17:53,415 But actually, there is a real thing with mentorship with, 273 00:17:53,451 --> 00:17:55,121 pays dividends on doing it. 274 00:17:55,591 --> 00:17:59,211 And every time I have leveled up in my business, I have worked with a 275 00:17:59,361 --> 00:18:04,841 coach or with mentors because there are blind spots that I can't see for 276 00:18:04,871 --> 00:18:08,461 myself, that's why they're called blind spots, and there's stuff that 277 00:18:08,511 --> 00:18:11,121 I don't necessarily know how to do. 278 00:18:11,951 --> 00:18:16,371 And, you know, mentorship and coaching can come at all different levels with 279 00:18:16,421 --> 00:18:19,711 all different levels of experience in the coaches and the mentors, 280 00:18:20,181 --> 00:18:22,451 and at all different price points. 281 00:18:22,461 --> 00:18:27,171 So I think when I first went for coaching a few years ago, I think 282 00:18:27,171 --> 00:18:30,701 it was 2,000 pounds for three months or four months coaching. 283 00:18:31,061 --> 00:18:34,681 When I wanted to set up my web design community, I went to work with different 284 00:18:34,681 --> 00:18:38,971 mentors, and it was a six-month program, and it was over 1,000 pounds a month. 285 00:18:39,011 --> 00:18:43,091 But what I learnt on that and the support I had on that, I have 286 00:18:43,181 --> 00:18:45,991 gone on to make a lot more money in my business because of it. 287 00:18:46,411 --> 00:18:51,863 So it can feel really nail-biting you need to work at price point that works 288 00:18:51,893 --> 00:18:56,405 for you as well But it's really important that you do make that investment, that 289 00:18:56,405 --> 00:19:02,105 you do learn from someone who's been there, who's done it, and who can guide 290 00:19:02,105 --> 00:19:09,165 you in how to do it because it can help you shortcut the areas that you might 291 00:19:09,175 --> 00:19:13,465 really be struggling with or areas which would really knock your confidence. 292 00:19:13,465 --> 00:19:16,155 I mean, there's all times where we've thought about leaving the business 293 00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:20,045 because we've had a client who's just been too difficult or whatever else, 294 00:19:20,055 --> 00:19:24,325 and having someone in your corner can really support you with that as well. 295 00:19:24,705 --> 00:19:29,585 And getting a mentor, getting coaching can absolutely pay dividends. 296 00:19:30,165 --> 00:19:34,945 Needless to say, I do mentor and coach new website designers and developers. 297 00:19:34,955 --> 00:19:36,815 So if that's something you think you might like to have 298 00:19:36,815 --> 00:19:38,715 a chat about, do get in touch. 299 00:19:38,725 --> 00:19:40,315 I would love to hear from you. 300 00:19:40,875 --> 00:19:44,625 If there is anything you would like to add to the list of what we've covered 301 00:19:44,625 --> 00:19:49,025 today or anything you would like me to cover on the podcast, do get in touch. 302 00:19:49,065 --> 00:19:50,235 I would love to hear from you. 303 00:19:50,265 --> 00:19:55,595 I answer and reply personally to everyone who comes in, and that might 304 00:19:55,595 --> 00:20:00,525 be that you have emailed me through hello@websitesmadesimple.co.uk. 305 00:20:00,865 --> 00:20:04,755 It could be that you've dropped me a DM on LinkedIn where I'm there as Holly 306 00:20:04,765 --> 00:20:09,785 C Christie, or you can even go onto the website and you can fill out the 307 00:20:09,805 --> 00:20:13,495 contact form, or you can even drop me a voice note through there as well. 308 00:20:14,225 --> 00:20:21,515 So that's it for today, and until next time, take a breath, 309 00:20:22,115 --> 00:20:25,325 you've got this, and have a great time in your web design career.