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Welcome back, friends.
We're continuing this week on the theme of mental health support, but
today we're going back to basics.
This episode was intended as a bit of a "mindfulness basics"
episode, but don't hit skip when you hear the word mindfulness.
My guest is here to share information and practices specifically for
those of us who might have struggled with mindfulness practices, or even
mindfulness instruction in the past.
We don't just talk about meditation here.
And I have to say this was intended as a basics episode, but I think there's
something here for everyone, including those of you listening who already
have a solid mindfulness practice.
Before I introduce our guest for today, a quick note.
I'm hosting an eight-week series of free Friday morning
sessions I call "Goal Fridays."
This series is at 9am Pacific, noon Eastern, and you can join
live on YouTube or LinkedIn.
Although, to be honest, LinkedIn's a bit more buggy, so YouTube's
a bit more of a sure thing.
Each session is on a specific topic.
We started with a practice for refocusing when you're overthinking.
Next up, we're going to tackle overdoing.
And then from there, we dive into some special topics around Objectives
and Key Results, or OKRs, the goal methodology I work with closely.
You'll even get to see some live OKR audits, and I am
looking for volunteers for that.
So, if you work with OKRs today and you want some help improving them, ping me
if you might be interested in joining.
Whether you're looking to reduce overthinking, avoid burnout, learn about
different goal-setting frameworks, or see real-world case studies, there's
something for everyone in this series.
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And yes, replays are available.
Visit that same page for links to the replays.
And to join the waitlist for my next cohort if you miss this one.
Now, I am delighted to welcome Dr.
Alice Rizzi, a licensed psychologist and mindfulness coach, as our expert today.
Dr.
Rizzi shares practices for high achievers, perfectionists, and overthinkers to create
some calm and balance in our hectic lives.
She'll also debunk a few common misconceptions about mindfulness and
offer strategies that work for real people with real commitments and busy lives.
In this episode, we'll cover why mindfulness isn't just about meditation,
some practical techniques for grounding yourself in stressful moments, how to
start a mindfulness practice when you're short on time, and a few tips especially
for the recovering perfectionists and overthinkers who might be listening.
Dr.
Rizzi also shares her personal journey from being an anxious ball to finding
balance through mindfulness practices.
Her insights are especially valuable for those of us who might have
struggled with traditional meditation or who might feel too overwhelmed to
try to start a mindfulness practice.
So let's get our conversation started.
I am very excited to have Dr.
Alice Rizzi here with me today.
Alice, go ahead and give us a quick introduction, and
then we'll go from there.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm really excited to be here.
I'm Alice Rizzi.
I'm a licensed psychologist in New York, a telehealth provider in Florida,
and a mindfulness coach everywhere.
I create mindfulness courses, I teach people how to meditate, and I use a
lot of the tools that I learned in my psychology doctorate program to just
help people live more easeful, less stressful, less overwhelming, less
burned-out kind of lives, so that you can actually enjoy some of this experience.
this is, I think, the third week in a row where we're starting an
episode by saying don't leave when you hear the word mindfulness.
This is not, we're not going to be talking about sitting still
and being quiet necessarily.
This is accessible mindfulness.
So, we're building those tools for people who might've struggled
with mindfulness in the past.
So don't go anywhere.
Stick around.
I'm so excited to clear up some of the misconceptions that people
might still have about mindfulness,
That's exactly where I wanted to start.
What does mindfulness mean to you?
So, I have my own definition of mindfulness that's come about from
doing a lot of research on it, from practicing it, reading books on it.
And so, basically the way that I define it is that mindfulness is the quality
of being present in this moment with, awareness, acceptance, kindness,
compassion, curiosity, and non-judgment.
So, that's a lot, especially if you are new to this.
So don't feel like you have to remember all of it—you don't.
Those are just all the factors that I found to be present
when you are practicing.
So, the more you practice, the more aware you're going to be, the more kind
and compassionate you're going to be.
When you practice, we ask that you practice with
non-judgment, with curiosity.
So these are things that come up naturally, they're not necessarily
things you need to think about doing.
I am now in love with that sequence of words because it also perfectly
describes the mindset that folks benefit from when using the type
of goal-setting that I work with.
I keep finding new elements of the goal-setting practices I work
with, but I had not thought of it as a mindful goal-setting practice.
And I'm like, wow, that's actually the same sequence of words.
That's really cool.
Sounds like that's exactly what it is.
It sounds like you teach folks to set goals in a mindful way, which is
actually a lot of what I do as well.
And I talk about values a lot and making sure that people are setting
values-based goals rather than emotion-based or fear-driven ones.
So cool.
That just gave me goosebumps.
I just love to hear you talk a little bit about what was your journey?
Where did you start in mindfulness, and then how have you gotten to where you are?
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay, so I'm going to try to touch on all of those points, and we
can always go back if we need to.
But this idea of mindfulness versus meditation is something that I talk a
lot about because you can do mindfulness practices and you can live a mindful
life without necessarily sitting still and just paying attention to the breath.
That is one type of a meditation practice, and there's hundreds,
if not thousands, of other ones.
So mindfulness meditation is also different from other forms of meditation.
Again, one form of it could be sitting still with your eyes closed,
paying attention to the breath.
But that's just one practice—it doesn't encapsulate all mindfulness meditation and
definitely not all meditative practices.
Right there you're challenging—there's not even aside from there being no
one way to practice mindfulness.
There's not even no one way to practice meditation.
There are a host of practices to experiment with.
So if you're someone who has struggled with finding a mindfulness or even
meditation practice that's worked for you, this is a encouragement to keep trying.
Yeah.
And we'll talk about different types of practices as well, but I guess just
to give people an idea now, like you can do like a meditative mindfulness
practice that is around walking, eating, touching an object, smelling something.
There's so many different ways to use your senses, especially in order to be mindful.
That can be like a formal mindfulness practice that can have meditative
qualities, but it's different from how folks typically picture like meditation,
like where you're sitting with your legs crossed, closed eyes like this, like it
really doesn't have to look like that.
It can look like doing the dishes in a mindful way, and that could
be your practice for today.
It could be folding your laundry mindfully.
And when I say that, using those factors, like you're doing it with
awareness, with acceptance, in essence, you're being intentional
about whatever it is that you're doing.
That's what helps you be present.
That is a mindfulness practice and all a mindfulness meditation
is a designated time that you choose to practice being mindful.
So I can choose to sit on the couch for five minutes, breathing
mindfully, or I can choose to take a five minute mindful walk outside
where I pay attention to my senses.
Both are still mindfulness.
Both are still valid practices.
You touched on there are lots of different ways to mindfulness.
You're familiar with my listeners.
So we tend, we skew introverted, not introverted, but we
definitely skew introverted here.
Lots of folks who are neurodivergent, lots of folks who might feel like they're
just wired differently are my listeners.
So tell me a little bit about mindfulness for folks like
that who might be listening.
Yeah, let me back up just a little bit because I do want to answer
your question about my particular journey with mindfulness meditation,
because I think that will be helpful.
So I was first introduced to mindfulness as a concept in undergrad.
I was about 20 years old.
And it just sounded really interesting because I was introduced to it
through the more like traditional way of describing it, like where
you can achieve inner peace.
And that sounded really appealing to me.
In school, I was commuting a lot.
There's family drama, relationship drama, all the things that
a 20-year-old goes through.
And so this idea that this one concept or a principle or practice can help me
achieve inner peace, I was like, oh, cool.
Let's see what it's about.
So I started doing more research on it.
And I ended up picking my psychology doctoral program specifically because
they had a mindfulness research team.
So that started my formal journey into mindfulness.
And as part of this research team, we met once a week, and we would
start every meeting with a 5, 10, 15-minute mindfulness practice.
And so that's also one place where I learned different
ways to practice mindfulness.
Now, the person who was facilitating the team, it was the professor.
She also ended up being my dissertation chair, the person that
supervised my dissertation project over the course of four years.
And so I ended up doing my dissertation on mindfulness and on meditation.
So I dove even deeper into the research.
But the reason I mentioned this is because the person that was
supervising me was very insistent that I had to experience like true
mindfulness meditation for myself.
And so what that meant is that not only was I practicing it daily, I
needed to have like my own meditation practice, but I also had to attend a
mindfulness-based stress reduction course.
So that's an eight-week course where it's like a two, two and a half-hour group
that you attend to weekly for two months.
And you do these formal, like 45-minute, 15-minute meditative practices, which I
will say even back then was super boring.
And to be honest, I still find boring now most of the time.
I am not the type of person who would choose to sit still for 45 minutes.
And what helped me get so attached in a healthy, fun way to mindfulness
is that I didn't have to do that.
I didn't have to sit still for 45 minutes.
I started my daily practices like walking to and from class and like
noticing what I could see around me.
There would be a grassy hill, and I would sit on the hill and I would
close my eyes for a few moments and take a few deep breaths or listen to
the birds chirping or watch people walk by and just notice what I notice.
And I would literally take 30 seconds, two minutes, five minutes.
And then I would go on with the day, and I started feeling more at peace and
things started feeling a little easier.
And I started approaching things with a little bit less
urgency, a little bit more space.
And so that's when I started realizing that even taking just that 30 seconds
or those three deep breaths made me feel a lot better, and made me
start approaching other things in my life with that intentional present
quality that we were talking about.
So I was becoming kinder, less judgmental, more compassionate, and it's
all because I was taking those brief moments of mindfulness any way I could
I'm glad you brought up mindfulness-based stress reduction and partly because a
lot of folks who wrestle with some of the things my listeners do might've
had chronic stress and been told to meditate or, if at worst, might've
been told, "Start meditating," and that's the only guidance they get.
Or at best, said, "Do this mindfulness-based stress
reduction sequence."
And I think what's really important for people to hear in what you
just said is, if those are the only two things we're being offered,
there's lots more out there.
If those two concepts don't help you resolve your chronic stress or whatever
else you are seeking help for, then keep trying, find someone who can
help or find a resource who can help.
Yeah.
Because I even remember back in the day, going to those eight
classes, like that was stressful.
It was a lot of effort for me to actually just show up to those things.
I had to drive.
It was like between the crazy commuting that I was already doing.
So that was a challenge in itself.
But then the homework was to practice these meditations for
45 minutes every single day.
And I was commuting, I was in class, I was working on my dissertation at times.
I was like, I had a job, there was family, and there was so much going on,
and it was difficult to commit to even showing up for that 45 minutes every day.
I'm not perfect.
I don't advocate everybody or anybody can be perfect.
So we do what we can.
And so maybe some days that look like 20 minutes.
Some days that look like five minutes.
Some days I really did show up for the 45 minutes, and a lot of times
I fell asleep during that time.
So again, it's like part of this is giving yourself permission to show up
imperfectly and just to do what you can.
Because again, you are approaching this present moment, however the moment is.
So sometimes the moment is really boring.
Sometimes you're really tired.
Sometimes you find yourself judging everything that you're doing or
everything that's happening to you.
You have those days where you're just super irritable, and nobody
can say anything the right way.
You can't do anything the right way.
Everything just feels like it's blowing up.
But you can always take three minutes to look out the window
and take a couple of deep breaths.
And if even three minutes is hard, just take three breaths.
Just start with one breath.
One thing that I always teach my clients is that it's better to do 30 seconds every
day than even sit for 10 minutes once a week, because that once a week isn't
going to give you what you're looking for.
But actually, those few moments that you take every day will.
You just got us to my next question.
I know when we chatted before, you had some specific ideas around overthinkers.
So we'll come
back to
that in just a minute.
But there are two things I want to ask you about.
Since you mentioned perfectionism and that challenging our-all-or-nothing thinking,
when we're thinking about our practices, do you have any special tips for people
who might have that all-or-nothing wiring or that perfectionism streak?
Anything you would tell them when they're getting started
with a mindfulness practice?
There's a lot I would tell them.
I have an entire program of things I would tell them.
I think firstly, is have some self-compassion.
Meet yourself where you are at.
Be kind with yourself, be gentle with yourself.
Step one is acknowledge that you're only human.
Every single one of us is only human.
And that's why perfectionism— you can't keep chasing it because that
just is going to lead to unhappiness.
But you can start where you are now, and where you are now actually is perfect.
And I say that because it can't be any other way.
Therefore, it must be perfect the way that it actually is because that's how it is.
So even just like approaching things from that way, hopefully,
can give a little bit more ease, and spaciousness, and grace for you.
But then, remembering to that like awareness is a really big component.
When people start being mindful, you start by just being aware of
your surroundings, aware of your relationships, aware of how you do things.
And the three questions that I always encourage my clients to
start with, whether they meditate or not, is to ask yourself at least
once a day, what am I thinking?
What am I feeling?
How does my body feel?
Because so many people have no idea.
They're so used to, "Oh, hi, how are you?
I'm fine.
How are you?
Great," moving on.
But in that moment, nobody is actually checking in with how I actually am.
Which is why so many individuals—especially like the
high-achievers, ambitious folks, a perfectionist among us —I call
myself a "recovering perfectionist" because I still sometimes get
carried away with that mindset.
And I have to remind myself, "Alice, whoa, slow down.
What do you actually want in this moment?
What do you actually need in this moment?"
And if I can't answer that, "What was I thinking just a second ago?
How is that making me feel?
What can I feel in my body?
Is there like tingling somewhere?
Is there pressure somewhere?
How is my breathing even right?"
Because I might be like, "Why am I so stressed?
I don't understand."
And it's because I'm breathing like this, and it's like, you're hyperventilating.
And of course, you're feeling stressed and anxious and overwhelmed.
And if even in that moment you can just, one long inhale, one long
exhale, and you can notice, "Oh, wow, I was breathing really heavily.
My shoulders were up to my ears.
My chest felt really tight.
Something is making me anxious."
I recognize that's a sign that I might be anxious and overwhelmed.
"What's going on in my day that I might be feeling that way?"
Oh, I just got 15 messages from my boss.
Or my coworker has been bombarding me with questions all day.
Or the kids' school called, and they need me to pick them up, but
I can't, and like my partner can't.
I have so many demands and responsibilities.
It makes sense why I'm feeling this way.
What can I do to help you use some of that pressure?
Again, mindfulness can just help you take that pause to even just realize,
"This is how I'm feeling right now.
This is what I'm thinking, and this is everything that's impacting that,"
before you ever move on to the next step.
Your question isn't, "Where do I feel this in my body?"
it's a "Check-in with your body."
Because the, "Where do you feel this in your body?"
question isn't accessible to a lot of us.
But when you said, "My shoulders are scrunched up," I was like,
"Oh, I can notice that in my body."
Like I might not notice my feelings in my body, but I can feel if
my shoulders are tense, or my jaw is tense, or my hip hurts.
And it feels to me like that's kind of a baby step having more
somatic awareness or body awareness.
Absolutely.
Again, we start wherever you are.
If it's easier for you to notice, sort of like, even like physically
see where your body is, that can be helpful because so many people don't
realize that they're walking around like this [demonstrates a tense posture].
Or you might be sitting at your table and you're like this [shows
another tense posture], and you might not even realize that you're doing
that until somebody asked , "Oh, why are your fists all balled up?"
And you're like, "Oh.
I didn't even realize I was doing that."
Or you notice, "Oh, my shirt is sweating.
Why am I sweating profusely?"
That's where you can start, you notice what you notice.
And then a part of the practice, especially when you're working with
somebody is I ask more of those fine-tuned questions like, "What parts of your
body do you tend to notice first?"
So many people might notice their chest, their stomach, their throat.
For some people, the first I noticed like tingling in my fingers, or I
noticed that my feet are scrunched up, or I'm noticing like a headache
coming on, or my ears are burning.
And then you can build up to, "Okay, you told me that you're feeling overwhelmed.
Where's overwhelmed located in your body?
Or you feel frustrated?
Where does frustration show up in your body?"
But like you said, sometimes it takes a little bit before you can get there.
Yeah, that's really helpful.
So then you also have some tips for overthinkers which we might have a few of.
Yes!
Yeah, so the overthinkers are the people who are always like,
"Why am I feeling that way?
I shouldn't be feeling that way.
Do I look like I'm feeling this?"
You almost start being like, you're hyper-aware, but
you're also hyper-critical.
The overthinkers tend to be really hard on themselves.
They tend to judge themselves.
I don't know necessarily if like scientifically it overlaps with
introversion, but I think that introverts among us, which I
definitely am, we tend to spend more time by ourselves recharging.
And what do you do when you're by yourself?
You think.
And that you have time to overthink.
So many of my clients get themselves in trouble in a way when they don't
give themselves enough things to do to actually live and be present in life.
It's like when they're home sick, that's all of the different thoughts
come, and they start like spiraling.
Or even when they go on vacation, they can't relax because their brain is
thinking about everything they left behind at work or everything they're going
to have to get to when they come back.
And it's hard for them to even relax in the moment.
So that is actually when it is important to do more of those somatic
practices —the body practices.
To shift some of that energy from everything going on in your mind
to either things that are going on in your body or things that
are going on in the environment.
I'm sure a lot of your listeners are familiar with grounding practices.
So grounding practices are basically those exercises that help you be more present
and grounded in your current reality.
One brief definition or I'll give you an example of a concept that
people refer to as time-traveling.
So our minds, especially the overthinkers, we time-travel a lot.
And we either time-travel into the past or we time-travel into the future.
We don't spend as much time in the present as we think we do.
So every time you think, "Oh, I should have done that.
Why did I say that?
What did you say to me?
Why did you think that about me?"
That's happening in the past.
And then when you're thinking about "Oh, what am I going to do?
And I have laundry to do, and then I'm going to have to go on that vacation,
and I have to make sure I pack the kids.
And are we going to have enough to eat?
And did I save up enough money for that?
How am I going to be able to afford that?
I know the debt that I'm going to and then the creditors are going to come after me."
That's all in the future.
So your time-traveling; you're not actually here right now.
Is this sparking something in you?
Yeah.
Alice is observing my body language the video right now.
Yeah, so you're noticing your body is scrunching up, right?
Because this feeling is so familiar.
It's familiar to me too.
I think most of us have been there, at least at some point
in our lives, if not frequently.
And you can bring yourself back into the present by doing some grounding,
by practicing some mindfulness, whether that means meditation or not.
The easiest way to do that is to notice the five senses.
A really common grounding practice is the "five, four, three, two, one" which
you might've heard of before, right?
So name five things that you can see in your environment, four things that you
might be able to touch, three things that you can hear, two things that you
can smell, one thing that you can taste.
And because all of those things like your sensory perception is only happening
in the present, so it helps you get grounded and be with this moment.
So even just as an example, the water tastes cold, the glass feels nice on
my hand, if I put my lips against it, I like that sensation and I can close my
eyes and just be with that for a moment.
I can smell it.
I can see what can I hear?
And again, just doing that, taking one minute, two minutes to do that, you'll
feel a lot more present and you will realize that all of that overwhelm,
the anxiety, maybe the excitement, That was all your mind time-traveling
either into the past or into the future, because right now, in this moment,
chances are you're actually okay.
At least when it comes to physical safety, you are fine.
You are safe.
There's no immediate danger right now.
Even though so often it feels that way, when your imagination throws
you into what could be or what was.
Even when you say "grounding," I obviously had a little bit of identification with
some of what you just described in terms of the ways that overthinkers time-travel.
And when you said the word grounding, and this is interesting, because I
struggle with somatic and body practices.
I'm a really big brain connected to something that doesn't always register.
But when you said "grounding," I felt my feet.
It can be that simple of just that wasn't me grounding, quote unquote, but it was
my system heard the word and then said, "Yep, my feet are touching the ground."
And even that is a cool for someone like me, who struggles
with body-based practices, you don't have to do it "right."
I would actually argue, Sara, that you did it exactly right, because your
body intuitively knew how to ground.
And the way that felt maybe easier for you to is to pay attention to your feet.
And that is a grounding practice.
You can literally just bring your attention to your feet, your toes,
your heels, your ankles, and just notice what's going on there.
You can stand up and take a gentle walk, pacing just back and forth a
couple of times, wherever you are.
You can go outside and plant your feet in the dirt or in the grass
and notice what that feels like.
And something that I even like to do is I'll go and I'll touch some leaves—
whether it's weeds or grass or basil, whatever is around—like, touch something
living, that can help immediately ground your body in this moment.
So, it doesn't have to be just through your feet.
It could be through any body part.
And that's why, I think so often we say "stop and smell the roses" because that.
can be a grounding practice.
It connects your sensory perception to something that's happening
here, like the flower in your face.
What this is calling my attention to is, in the mechanism that I was introduced
to meditation, of course, non-judgment was one of the principles that I taught.
And I don't think I ever realized that doesn't just mean
a lack of judgment externally.
It's also being non-judgmental of yourself or that to yourself.
So, that's also what I hear when you talk about different approaches to
practice and different ways to practice perfectly imperfectly human, is that
we can the non-judgment that we may be working on cultivating toward others
and also give ourselves that gift too.
Yes.
absolutely.
And that's why I think like the kindness and the compassion tie so closely
with it, because if you can be kind and compassionate towards yourself,
it will help you judge yourself less.
So not only will you likely be less critical and judgey of other
people, but hopefully you'll also do the same for yourself.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Alice, is there anything I haven't asked you that you'd like to share today?
One thing that I wanted to mention, because you said that sometimes you have
a hard time connecting to your body— outside of even just grounding in your
senses or the physical and connected to what we literally just spoke about
with self-compassion—is I often like to teach people like the self-hug.
And so for some people, that might sound really cheesy or corny or silly
or stupid or notice all of those words that even as I said, that might your
brain offers kindly to you, right?
And try it anyway.
And I actually learned this from another therapist on Instagram.
Go figure, sometimes there's useful tips there, but use with caution, right?
But this is what it looks like: You take the palm of one hand and you put
it on under your armpit—so like for women where the bra strap would go.
For men, it's like the rib cage.
And the other hand goes on the outside of your shoulder.
And so take a moment and then if you can even close your eyes, and if you
want, you can even slowly sway back and forth, and you can even move one hand
a little bit up and down your shoulder.
And I don't know about you, but my breathing immediately slowed down,
and my voice immediately slowed down because there's something just so
soothing and comforting about this.
So, Sara, you can open your eyes.
But literally doing this for just 10 seconds has such an immediate grounding
and soothing and compassionate effect.
I immediately feel my own presence with myself.
I am here, and I offer myself this kindness, this gentleness,
this love in this moment.
Yeah It's really cool.
I think when people hear "self-hug," they think, like woo-woo emotion, but
when I just practiced that with you, what I felt was physical compression,
and that felt good to my body.
It regulates your nervous system, literally.
And it's so immediate.
It's mind boggling how quickly it can work.
But it's actually really similar because so many of us can
get dysregulated so quickly.
You might smell something, and we know smell is a really strong
connector to memory, and it might bring up really negative memories,
like sadness or grief or anger.
But actually just as quickly, you can offer yourself a self-hug, and that
will almost just as immediately regulate your nervous system down because You're
offering yourself that sense of safety.
When we are hugged in this way, we feel safe, secure, and connected.
So yes, it feels great if somebody else offers us this kind of hug,
but it's actually something that's always accessible to ourselves to do.
Yeah, that's amazing.
Alice, this has been a phenomenal conversation.
I know we talked about, we might have another one about when to consider
coaching, when to consider therapy, and then what to look for in providers.
So we'll back for that episode.
But in the meantime, where can people find you if they want
to learn more about your work?
Thank you, firstly, so much for having me, Sara.
This was great.
I love talking about this stuff.
So it's something that I do a lot on my Instagram at Dr.
Alice Rizzi.
My website is togethermindful.com, where people can find a free
mindfulness toolkit, and especially like the overthinkers, the people
who are too busy to meditate.
And I say that in jest because I've been there, but I have a week's
worth of just three-minute exercises that you can practice every day.
So you can't tell me that you don't have three minutes to help yourself
feel better, especially if you have problems like chronic stress and chronic
overthinking, overdoing, and burnout.
You can find three minutes in your day to do some mindfulness practices,
and I show you seven different ways that you can do it, only one
of which is sitting and breathing.
So that's on togethermindful.com, and if anybody happens to be in New
York or Florida and is interested in therapy, that's dralicerizzi.com.
That's awesome.
Dr.
Rizzi, well, Alice, this has been just a phenomenal conversation.
I just can't thank you enough.
Really, I wish that I had access to information like
this earlier in my practice.
So I'm just really grateful that you're here to share with my listeners today.
Thank you so much, Sara.
And totally me too.
Like, it was such an accident that I stumbled on mindfulness like when I
was 20 years old, and I'm so grateful because I can honestly say that it
has changed the trajectory of my life.
For anybody who doesn't know me, I don't think we mentioned it,
I used to be an anxious ball.
I used to be an extremely anxious individual.
I had a lot of social anxiety.
I used to have a lot of physical symptoms associated with anxiety, and when I got
on the path of mindfulness, as cheesy as that might sound, so much of that changed.
And it's not that I don't experience it anymore, it's that I manage it so much
better now in a healthy way, where I'm still able to enjoy and actually love my
life, whether anxiety is present or not.
That even makes me, because I have chronic pain and other kind of history stuff too.
But it also makes me think if you develop basic mindfulness skills,
then you also catch what you're feeling in your body before it becomes
chronic or before it becomes worse.
So, it just, it makes absolute sense.
All the years that I was coached to reduce or told by medical professionals, "You
need to reduce your stress, you need to start meditating," but that didn't sink
in for me as much as what you just said: that if you can cultivate some basic
mindfulness, you can notice what's going on with your body before it's a crisis.
Yes, I think you summed that up perfectly.
And that literally starts with just like taking one mindful breath, going
to the window and just looking outside, sinking your toes into the dirt.
That's literally the start of your mindfulness journey, and it's so
cool to see where it can take you.
I can't thank Dr.
Alice Rizzi enough for joining me for this episode, and I hope you have a few helpful
takeaways to help you de-perfect and not overthink your mindfulness practices.
Alice's contact info is in the show notes at findrc.co/thinkydoers.
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