I did draw up a little bit from my childhood.
And I was thinking about, I was thinking about this.
I was kind of prepared to answer this question and
I didn't really know which way I wanted to go
with it because there are things that I definitely pulled
from my childhood and I put into that book. But
for the most part, I, I wrote about the life
that I may have wanted at that time when surviving
the Abuse. So I was acknowledging that the abuse was
there, but, but I, I wish that it may have
gotten on a little differently.
Hi, and welcome to Podcaster Stories each episode we'll have
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And now here's your host Danny Brown hi, and welcome
to another episode of Podcaster. Stories where we get to
meet people behind the voices of the shows. We listened
to this week's a little different and chatting with my
wife about her podcast, which is about to go through
a sort of a rebrand and relaunch. So it should
be able to have a, an interesting conversation. So Jaclyn
(Jaclyn Brown), who is the host of mental health and
me, which was about to change.
How about you introduce yourself and your podcast to the
listeners?
Sure. Hi, my name is Jaclyn Brown and I host
of the show mental health and me, or I used
to it, it is about my, my mental health journey
really. And it came from my blog, which I think
were disbanding that too. So there was a lot of
changes that I think we will, will probably talk about
today, but, but yeah, so it's basically just my journey
with anxiety and depression and the ups and downs with
those to a mental illnesses and how they impact me,
how they, how my mental health impacts my family and
also how my family's mental health as well.
I'm going to talk about my journey, but I also
talk about there's because a three out of four of
us have been diagnosed with a, with our own mental
illnesses that are similar and different all in the same.
So, so yeah, it's, it's quite the rollercoaster of emotions
will say,
And also we have three dogs, but we don't know
what their mental health is like. So it could be
at a higher ratio than a full year before.
That is true. Yeah.
So how did the idea for the show come about?
You mentioned that you have a blog, which is sort
of gone into the background so that it disappeared on
to the effort of concentrate on a podcast, but how
did the idea for the show come about?
Well, that's all thanks to you. Actually, when I, when
I first had the idea of doing the blogs, the
mental health and me blogs, it was because I wanted
to write my journey and I'm really good are, are
used to being, and I'm up and down with my
writing skills will say, but I used to be really
good at writing. And so I wanted to, to write
this blog and, and encourage other people to talk about
their mental health as well, because there is the stigma
and I think it's less so now, but there was
a stigma around mental health and it, you know, should
it be, you know, should you go to the doctor
for your, your mental wellbeing?
Well, yes, you should. And should we be comfortable talking
about it? Well, many of us aren't, we've got like
a bell let's talk day, which is one day a
year, but we should be comfortable enough to talk about
it, you know, whenever. And, and so my blog was
like an outlet for that. And, and then one day
you had said to me, let's you, you, you should
really turned this into a podcast and, and let me
show you how to do that. And I thought, yeah,
that's, that could work. That sounds really good. And I,
and I wanted to, and so I started to do
the podcast. I think even once we had an episode
of you and I discussing our Mental Health and Us
together, and then the rest was just me sort of
talking to myself and, and that's, that would be the
answer to your question.
That's sort of how the show began. We'll get, we'll
get to where it's going in front of you. I
don't want to answer your next question's before you asked
them, but yeah, that's that, that's how it came out.
I started the blog and then you suggested the, the
podcast and, and here we are.
And where did you find these, or do you find
right in about your user talking about it via a
podcast are a little bit of both
And there are, this is difficult. There are days when
I find writing much easier. When I find that I
have something to say, it's very easy for me to
just go and write it down. And so, so blogging
about it can be, can be easier when I have
something to say, I don't always have something to say.
And so maintaining and updating a blog felt very challenging,
especially trying to stay on topic because, you know, there
are so many aspects too, my life, not just my
mental health. So I found, I found that to be
challenging, talking about it is, is easy when you have
someone to talk to. And so I found when it
was you and I are having a discussion, it was,
it was easy.
And it was natural recording a podcast that I was
doing myself. It felt very unnatural and it felt forced.
And, and I, I mean, like, I get nervous anyways,
even just talking to you right now, I'm there. I
feel my nerves, but by myself, I had a, there
was a lot of extra pressure to, to be perfect
and to get it right. And what am I saying?
And what if I mess up and do I script
this or do I not scripted if I scripted than
it sounds like a robot, if I don't script it,
like what if I go way off topic? And I
forget the whole point of it. So, I mean, there
was a lot of pressure when I was podcasting alone.
And so I didn't S I, I didn't like it.
I will say that. I mean, the show I liked
what the show was about, and I liked the idea
of it, but the actual doing it was very difficult
for me. So if it's between the two, and it's
just me, I'm going to say I much preferred to
write and to speak about it, but,
And then I think I can speak to that nervousness.
I know all it will cost a, a record on,
on SquadCast. What is your hope is use from my
guests? And it's got a lot of video green room,
and you want me to kind of switch it off
while we are chatting with each other, even though we're
basically next door to each other via a think of
a wall, because I can definitely Aleut to that nervousness
you mentioned.
Well, yeah. And, and, and we're married, so I shouldn't
be nervous with you. And, and, and, you know, for
our listeners right now, we are not in the same
room. We are sharing a wall, like you said, so
we can't see each other. So it would make sense
to have the cameras on. So we can see each
other while we were talking on our separate microphone, but
I, I'm happy to look at you and have this
conversation with you. But when I turned on my camera,
that means that I'm going to be looking at me
and I would get distracted by me. And I behaved.
So like, I just unprofessional will say, So it as
like, you know what? This is going to go way
better. If I turn off the camera,
I know you've mentioned, I'll say it a, your preference,
primarily for right-hand, if it wasn't a, a, co-host a
show or a, a conversation on a podcast. So on
top of that, what's been some of the challenges you
faced early on with the show, but either from a
technical point of view or not just getting a show
off the ground, I guess. So
I listened to podcasts, obviously, not quite as much as
you it's your business to do so, but, but I
do listen to, to some podcasts. And I find that
I enjoy the ones that are, you know, co-hosted, or
even if it's just one person's podcast and they're interviewing
a guest speaker each week, I really enjoy those ones.
And I found that when I was listening to podcasts
that were just like one person. I mean, like the
occasional show was just one person is totally fine, but
like an entire series of episodes of just one person
talking, you, you start to hear the scripts. And it
just, it wasn't, it wasn't my thing.
It just wasn't enjoyable. And so I didn't want to
be like that. That's, that's one of those things that,
that when you, when you want to do something, you
emulate the things that you like. It's the same as
when, you know, when writing a book, if you want
to write a book, you tend to write in the
genre that you like to read about it, because that,
that's your thing. That's what, you know. So it, it,
it makes sense for, you know, in the, in the
podcasting world, that's the exact same thing. And so I
just found it really, like, those were my challenges. Like,
how do you, how do you get a podcast off
the ground when it's just you? And you don't really
enjoy listening to podcasts with just one person.
So it, obviously you mentioned at the time to find
your feet tried to find your niche. And if you,
like, what is one of the challenges? You mentioned it
a bit as well, that there was three of the
four of the family, a unit suffered from some form
of mental illness, whether it's depression or anxiety. So what
is your podcast? Is it geared towards a family issues
or is it geared towards a certain demographic? Who's your
audience be for the show?
I get, I guess, anyone, anyone who suffers from mental
illness, I would like to gear it towards them, but
that's a very big audience. So I niche down to
a depression and more so anxiety than depression, but I
do talk and, and sort of dance the line between
both of them and how they're both related to, to
me and how one impacts the other, because I have
both. And, and so I would gear my, I would
like to hear the show towards people in the same,
same scenario, because it's, it's very, you know, like even
anxiety, you know, you suffer from anxiety and I suffered
from anxiety and our son suffers from anxiety.
And now in between the three of us know, two
of us who are the same and are symptoms or
not the same and are, are triggers or not the
same and our outbursts or not the same like that.
So when, when we talk about it, we have very
different things to say. And, and so I would like,
I would like to put that out there really to,
to anyone who does not suffer from anxiety. And right
now, I don't think that anybody, but to S to
anyone who doesn't think that they suffer from any sort
of mental illness, give us a Listen, because you'll get
to see what, you know, how, how different things are
for people who do suffer.
And, and so I would like to, you know, I
I'd like to get your gear, the podcast towards those
people and maybe provide some information there. But I think
if I'm being honest, I think more people who do
suffer and who are finding out now that they suffer,
especially with, you know, COVID and, and people who didn't
suffer before are definitely suffering. Now, I think that it
would be, this would be good for them to see,
not like it's, it's normal, it's the new normal. It
is. That's the old normal it's normal to suffer, and
we all suffer differently, but that doesn't make, you know,
one person, one person's symptoms or, or, you know, one
person is anxiety worse, or are, are stronger than somebody
else's, you know, you can't really compare is what I'm
saying.
So it just, yeah, just, just hear us out and
here, how here, how we differ and maybe you learn
something.
And I think that, that ties perfectly into a blog
post, that your role on your mental health and maybe
a blog or a couple of back, you think it
was maybe two, three years called a glass box. A,
that was a very broad, descriptive tower of what he
suffered from depression and anxiety feels like. And that, that
I know the response that you got from people either
won't be shared on Facebook, or get in touch with
you via email, et cetera, people were sharing how it
touched them, because it spoke to different and, you know,
different aspects of mental illness. So I think that's like
you say, it's a key point is that it may
be a show about mental health or a show about
depression or a show about anxiety, but you've, you've been
like dealing with this four 20 plus years.
Now you bring up a wealth of experiences to, anybody
can start to tap into, or if you like.
Yeah. And it changes to, like, if you asked me
20 years ago, you know, when I was just finding
out what, you know, finding out the symptoms and w
what it actually meant is very different to what I'm
suffering. Now. It doesn't, it changes it. Ah, but it
doesn't go away and it can get better. Like you
can have your better days for sure. And you can
have better months even, and go, yeah, I have beat
this. I'm doing great. And then all of a sudden
something happens and you sync right back into that, that
zone. And so it's, it's, it's good to know what
your triggers are. And it's also good to be aware
that those triggers will change.
They, they will. And, and I, I, I can talk
about this forever
Know, you mentioned the COVID earlier, and there are a
lot more people are now realizing, or are becoming more
aware of that, their mental health and why it's important
to stay on top of that. If you like, what
what's been, some of the challenges you have found both
as the person that suffers from mental health issues and
as a parent of a kid that also suffers from
mental health issues during a lockdown, during a pandemic, what's
been some of the challenges that you've you've had to
overcome.
So this is interesting because if you were to ask
me, you know, what are the challenges that I've faced,
you know, with the lockdown and, and you know, why,
because of COVID, my anxiety has actually gotten much better
because a lot of my anxiety has been social related
and it's called social anxiety. And so, and you can
certainly read about it in that glass box post, but,
but I find that when I'm around more people, I
am way more anxious because you know, it, it it's
my trigger, right. It's the thing that makes me paranoid.
I'm overthinking all of the things.
And so now that I'm isolated and in lockdown, and
we moved so far from everyone, we know, I mean,
like I miss people, but I still get to call
them in a video chat in zoom, in whatever. So
I still get my social without actually having to enter
their bubble. And so I'm, I've been doing a much
better. And for the most part, you know, with lockdown,
however, my son is different. And, and so he he's
taken quite the turn I'm over the last little while,
especially he's a very social being, and he's a very
competitive being, but he's always been like a social kid
and I'm, and so he needs his classmates and he
needs his soccer team and he needs his extra curriculars
and he needs, he just, he needs people.
And right now he only has our house and he
doesn't, he, he, you know, he, he doesn't go to
school, he's in online learning and he doesn't have a
soccer team and he doesn't have the things that he
needs for his sanity. And so Y I can see
it taking a toll on his mental health and, and
it's been very difficult, difficult to, to parent I'll say,
like, to, to be strong for him and, and to
coach him and to like, I always, always, always remind
him that it's okay to feel the feelings he's feeling
good or bad. You're allowed, you're entitled to your emotions
and to just have them, but it's, it's so hard
when many of his emotions are negative.
Now, when he's like a happy kid. And it's, I'll
just try to answer your question. In a nutshell, it's
very difficult.
And it is, it's interesting. That was written on an
article a couple of weeks back that was on a
boat, the, the, the, the physical aspects of covert and
the long, the long covert, you know, so you may
recover quickly from the infection, but at the long-term damage
to say, lungs, heart, et cetera, is still to it.
It will be determined and what that could look like,
but it was an interesting piece that it looked at
what this generation's mental health will look like. And 10
years or 20 years time when we started to look
back and we, we will look at generations' and impacts
of mass effects. And the, the, the concern at the
moment is to your point, kids that are normally social
barflies are real. And he does a social interaction. The
ant get not at the moment, what's the impact is
going to be on, on them.
And what, what kind of adults are they going to
become? And, you know, is that going to place a
big set of stress on mental health resources in the
next 10, 15, 20 years? Yeah.
And, you know, I'd be interested in seeing what happens
to our other child for, for that matter. Like, our
daughter is also very social. She is a little social
butterfly and all always been like the popular kid in
the class. And everybody comes to her birthday parties. And,
but she just has been coping much, much better with
online learning and with social distancing and with all of
that, she she's gets on a messenger kids or whatever,
and, and Facebook's with her friends. So she still feels
like she is getting that social element and, and online
learning. She turns on her camera and she's like looking
at all her friends. And so I feel like she's
in the same room with them. And so maybe it
hasn't been as hard on her, but who knows, like
you said, the long-term maybe, maybe now she is doing
great, but who can 10, 15 years from now, she
might need therapy, but we don't.
We all right.
But it did 10 to 15 minutes from that 10,
15 years now will be, I don't know of interest
and the right word, but it's not only it's something
that is, that will be, you know, that there was
a valid point. The generalist was making it by air.
So it will be curious to see what the impact
that it has for sure. I think we've mentioned that
earlier that you had to block that originated, you know,
the, the podcasts, so to speak and you have always
enjoyed, right. And you were actually in a corner of
a publishing house for a few, a good few years,
and you are a published author for yourself. We have
several young adult books too. Your name, so that we
could not say, what made you choose? Why a Over
all the genres over, maybe not talking about mental health
and your books, for instance.
Well, when I wrote my books, I, I started writing
actually when I was pregnant with our first child. And,
and so I don't, I don't know. I don't really
know what, like, I think I just like woke up
one day and it was like, I had a dream
last night and it was good. And I think it
would make a good book. And then I started writing
it. I didn't stop. Like, that's kind of how I
started writing, but, but I say like, and I said
this earlier in the show, too, if you want to
write a book, you right. What, you know, right. You
write what you would want to read you, right. What
you want. I would enjoy reading about it. And at
that time in my life, I read a lot, a
young adult.
I read all, like I read the Harry potters. I
read the twilights, I read, I loved young adult fiction.
And so it made sense for me at that time
to write young adult fiction. Now I re I read
my, like, my genre of choice is actually thrillers. And
so if I were to start writing again, it would
make sense for me to write a thriller. However, I
don't think that's a good idea because you need, in
order to right. A thriller, you need to know, like
the way the laws of, I don't know, like police
Academy and detective work and murder and all of these
things that I enjoy reading about, but have no background
and no, I'm not going to get any experience doing
any of those things.
So, yeah. So it doesn't make sense for me to
continue writing, but, but yeah, to me, that was why
I wrote young adult fiction back. Oh gosh. Like 15
years ago when I was reading all, all of the
young, it's been a really long time since I wrote
Aidy. I don't know if that in perspective, but we
can't even remember the last time I wrote fiction. Right.
See, now I'm thinking a young adult being a part
of the, the, the police Academy, my movies made the
comment or a movie side than anything. Plus academies mentioned
it. I always thought he jumped back to it. It
was a Steve Oh, Steve Guttenberg, I think was one
of the main guys. And the, the movie is one
of my favorite series is for all of the early
ones. Anyway,
It's funny that you think of that though. Like, I,
I guess I have a number of friends who've been
through actual police Academy and it's not at all like
that. It shows. So when I think police Academy, I
think the real thing, right.
Well, please get out of, it was a real thing
was that, that I'd have to go back and watch
it when we had more mishaps, but than your average
police Academy,
It was like the three Stooges their real to, right.
I don't know if you can call. Yeah.
And what are your books are here to see? Because
you wrote, and you mentioned you are focused on young
adults and you actually write a book series a, that
was about a young teen who has had an abusive
childhood and how that impacts how don't look at in
life. And her personality is up. How much of that
was drawn from personal experience is because when I was
during the, I saw some parts of thought that it
seems kind of like familiar, or if you like,
So, so that this series that you're talking about it,
that was the first M that was the first book
and said of books that I ever wrote. And so
for the record, those were never published. And they were
just a, that was just a project I did for
myself and the, and I made sure to get them
bound and look pretty so that, you know, we can
read them in a proper format instead of a word
document, but, but it was not published. So it's not
out there in the universe. But for those who, who
did read it, I did draw up a little bit
from my childhood. And I was thinking about, I was
thinking about this. I was kind of prepared to answer
this question and I didn't really know which way I
wanted to go with it, because there are things that
I definitely pulled from my childhood and I put into
that book.
But for the most part, I, I wrote about the
life that I may have wanted at that time when
surviving the Abuse. So I was acknowledging that the abuse
was there, but, but I, I wish that it may
have gone a little differently. And I guess an example
of this is I never had a good relationship with
my brother as a child, as an adult. Like we
just, we never, we were never friends. We, we never
had a good relationship. We never had a strong bond.
And, and in the book that you're talking about, they
had a very, the, the brother and sister connection was
very strong and, and he helped her get through many
of the, you know, ma much of the dark will
just say all of the dark periods.
He was there for her. And in my childhood, I
would like, unfortunately I have to say my childhood was
a little bit darker than that because I, I just,
I didn't have, I didn't have that bond with my
brother and I didn't have someone to, you know, to,
to, you know, show me the Lite if you will.
So I kind of had to get there on my
own, but I mean, I did. So I feel like
pros and cons with the, with the, Book like, yes,
I put some of the dark in the book, but
I showed a different side of you, you know, in,
in the book then what actually happened. So it's more,
it's more fiction than, than real.
Just say that.
And then the main character. So obviously you talked about
bonds had strengths in and that serious. And one of
the main characters a with the bond was that between
the daughter and a mom as well, and all of
us, I know how close are you and your mom
are, did your mum Rita. And that she does she'll
look back at some of the things that happened that
she wasn't aware of her. What did your mom not
get to read this, these books?
My mom read them. And, and she was very proud
of me actually for opening up in, in there. And,
but she said it was very emotional for her. And
it was very difficult for her to read some of
that because of how honest it was. Now I will,
I will say I kind of wrote the mom out
of the books. And that was just easier for me
when I was writing them to say, this series is
about this girl and her brother and how they are
dealing with their high school relationships. And that's it. And
so I ended up writing the mam out of the
Book by just saying that she worked all the time.
So she, she was like, she, she wasn't dead.
She was totally there, but she wasn't a part of
the kids life because she had to work to support
them. She had to work to get, to put a
roof over their head. So she was like, those kids
basically raised themselves while the mom was financing it. And,
and that was just how I wrote the book. But
my mom as hard of a worker as she is,
I don't remember a time in my life when she
was not there for me. And I think that's very
different from what I portrayed in the book. And I
made sure to tell her that afterwards, like I wrote
her out because it was easier for me to write
the story about the two siblings without a mother interference,
because that's not what the story was about.
So it, but like I said, it in my, in
my life, my brother and I were not close. So
my mom and I were, and we, of course we
had our ups and downs, but we weren't always as
close, but I don't remember her ever not being there.
So
You mean, so you mentioned that they are in the
book, I'll say it at drew from some experiences, some
are fictional and some are how you wanted it to
happen with either, you know, the brother, sister dynamic and,
and the, as a different dynamic where your mom, because
you're so close to your mom now, I guess you've
always been the sound of that. Are there any lessons
you've learned from, you know, at that time that you
spoke about it in the book, have you had to
like to, to, to now and raised in your own
children and now that you're a mom of two Yourself,
Oh, it's a, it's funny. How could it have you
don't even know how best to answer this, what I've
learned from my childhood and how I, how I parent
my children. I was going to say, I learn what
not to do things that I learned. I shouldn't say
that because my mom was awesome, but, but I know,
I know that I show my kids every day, every
day, how much I love them and how much they
mean to me. And, and I don't know that that
was ever shown to me as a child. Maybe that's
what I needed, but, but its definitely what I do
for my kids.
And you'll, you'll notice and you're, and I know you
do this also, but anyone else who sees us in
our home environment will notice that my son, for example,
my daughter to do, but my son More will say,
I love you to each of us individually 20 to
30 times a day, no exaggeration. And every time he
says it, we say, I love you to it. Doesn't
we don't, I'm tired of hearing that. We respond, we
acknowledge that. He said it and we say it back
and he'll come in for a hug and we hug
him, but we will stop what you're doing. And he
gets that hug.
And, and my daughter, like I said, she does it
too, but I think she almost does it just because
her brother is doing it, but he, but he does,
he go, he does this. And, and I, that I
think, I don't know if it's something that I learned
to do or not to do from my own childhood,
but I made sure to, no matter how busy I
am, I made sure to reciprocate those hugs and those,
I love you because I think there are super important
and they are for sure what we eat in this
house.
And I wonder if, when I'm I know exactly what
we mean, obviously I'm in the house too. So I
know exactly what you mean, but I'm wondering if you
mentioned your daughter, doesn't say it as often, even though
we know she does love us, but I'm wondering under
that boils back down to your point earlier that she
has the, the, almost the physical daily interaction with our
classmates and friends, that our son doesn't. So maybe the,
the physical interaction he needs his get in from the,
the love and hugs that he, he initiates each day,
but each time
It could be, but I know that he was like
this even before the lockdown in, even before COVID. And
even when he was going to school every day in,
in, in soccer, in his rep soccer league and doing
that three or four times a week, like he would
still, he still needed them to say that he loves
us and he still needed to come in for hugs
for no reason. And I love it, but I think
our daughter has a little different just in that. I
think, I think she doesn't, she doesn't need to say
it. She knows it. So I, and I can see
that in her because if she ever felt unloved, we
would know it. We would certainly, she would make sure
that we knew that she was not feeling has happier
as loved as her brother.
She would tell us. But, but yes, I think, I
don't know. Maybe it could be me. It could be,
it could be me too, because I know I'm the
type of person that says, I love you all the
time. And I like hearing it back. I love you.
I love you too. I think it's important. And I
know with my, my ex my ex partners, I can
think of one in particular where I would say it
and he wouldn't say it back and I'd be like,
what's wrong? Like, don't you love me? And he was
like, I don't feel like I need to say it.
Like, you should just know that I do. And it's
true. Like, we sh we should just know this. If
we're showing it, we don't have to say it. And
I think that's where our daughter is, but our son
just like me needs to say it and hear it
back.
And so we give him that, that I don't think
that it has so much to do with COVID made,
it might be enhanced because of the lockdown, but I
don't, I think it was it's something ingrained in us.
It was like, it, it makes me think of the
Alf movie when he was always singing. I love, you
know, my dad and I love you too. How does
that, does it want to reciprocate until near the end
of the movie, but really this is like a life
lesson. So know. I CA I I hear you. I,
I loved the fact that he is like that, for
sure. I know you mentioned that earlier that your show
started off as a solo podcast and it was a
mental health and me, but it's about to relaunch within
the, the next few weeks, I guess, and I believe
was going to be called Mental Health and Us where
it's going to be a whole host a show with
yourself and you and me, we will have guests on
there to talk about different aspects of mental health and
mental illness.
So what are your goals with the show, with the
real launch coming up and what, what do you hope
to achieve of the show in moving forward and this
new sort of format, if you like,
I know I'm going to say I have similar goals
as I did when I launched to the first time,
except I'm hoping that it will be, I don't know.
I want to say like less dramatic. I'm hoping it's
more casual and, and easy going. I don't know. I
felt like that when I first came out with it,
just being me, it felt very like dark and I
don't want it to be dark. I mean, like, I
know the things that we're talking about AR you know,
like, you know, a mental illness, not like a mental
health, and well-being, we're talking about mental ill. We were
talking about the downs of like a mental health and
And I, it is, it is a serious topic, but
that doesn't mean that we shouldn't talk about it.
And so I'm hoping to me, I don't want to
say I'm hoping to make it fun, but I'm hoping
it's more of an enjoyable to the listener. Who's not
just listening to somebody come on in vent all the
time, because that is, that can get depressing from a
listener perspective. So I'm, I'm my goal is to, to
that, by opening the doors to more people that it
becomes more enjoyable to listen to and more informational and
less, I don't know, ranty.
So it's like, almost like opera is like, you get
a symptom, you got a symptom, you get a symptom,
like they can do a crutch now. And I think
that, that is to your point. I, I completely agree.
It's I think there was, we all know that mental
illness and mental health is a deep, heavy topic, and
it can be, like you said, it can be really
hard to get to talk about with the stigma that
surround it. So I think bring in fun and bring
in some sort of a, not so much energy, but
just, Hey, we're having a normal conversation. You wouldn't feel
bad talking about a broken arm or the fact that
you stubbed your tour or buying your shin or whatever,
which is physical Wheelman. So I don't think we should
be, you know, we shouldn't be talking to any different
way when it comes to mental ailments either.
I don't think yes,
I agree. So that, I don't know if that is
Okay. That was, you have to, I was just hard
to know a little value out there. You have to
edit it up in the blooper reel. So we, we,
we've been speaking about obviously the, the influences of your
childhood and your, your, you know, growing up and some
of the people in it. I think I know the
answer to this question. I'm going to ask any of
it. Who would it be? Your personal hero and why
that person
Ahhh. You totally know. Umm, and it is, it, it
is somebody who is already talked about it. Lots of
today. This is my hero is my mother like hands
down the easiest choice. If you ask me to like
pick a celebrity or somebody dead or whatever, I wouldn't
have any clue where to start. But like for, for
my, my hero, I would pick my mother because she
is the strongest person. I know she survives anything like
anything that comes her way. She, she can survive it
and you know, poor girl, she broke her foot, you
know, This week. And he has had surgery and plates
and rods and whatever else and And and she still,
she is surviving.
Like she is still going and, and she had, you
know, she had two young sons, she had her, she
had me and my brother and when she was really,
really young and, and so she had to re she
had to alter her life course because she had to,
she was a kid when she had kids will just
say it that way. And, and then, and she did,
and then she had to get her education differently because
she had kids at home. So she wasn't able to
do things the way kids did. And, or I should
say teens like rates, she, she had to get her
education differently and she did it and, and then she
got a job and then she got a better job.
And then you get a better job in like, she
just, she is constantly working towards something and constantly progressing.
And she's just, she's such a good role model for,
for me. Like she, she just, she is a winner.
I know, I don't know how can better say that.
Like she never, even when times are tough, she manages
to get through it and show me the positive outlook,
you know, the positive way to look at things so
that, you know, so that I'm not always down. And,
and, and I can, I really like, if you are
listening, mom, I just wanted to say, you're my hero.
And thank you. I love you.
And, and, and you'll get a better by a bigger
pot and the next book.
Yeah. It will be the thriller tho you know that
right. As long as you got to do the victim
had a shower, yes. Killed off a chapter or two,
but a bigger, bigger exactly.
It's a Jaclyn I have really enjoyed speaking with you
today. It's been interesting. And just being a wall away
from you. And I want to say Chuck, because normally
if my guess is that obviously a very different veteran
remote from me, but I really enjoyed chatting with you
for people that want to connect with you. You are
listening to the podcast or even, you know, check out
a new project you are about to launch as well.
Where's the best place to, they can find you.
I w you know what, I want you to answer
this question because we've done so many changes. I don't
even know what my email address is anymore. So how
about you answer this question?
Okay. Fair enough. Nice. A nice day. Fluxion that deflection?
That deflection that flex time. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, so
the podcast is called Mental Health and Us, and you
can find it@thementalhealthpodcast.ca Jaclyn a new project as a girl
on a Book, which is a, a book review site,
and memberships say it would just kind of cool. And
you can find that at a Girl know, I you
can find it at Girl and a book.com on a
book. Maybe check it out at the end of February
when it's actually.
Yes, yes. And I I'm sure I will have email
addresses for those too, but I actually don't even know
what their, so once we have them, we will definitely
post them, but I will say Girl in a Book
is correct, because I tried as a girl and a
book, and I was disappointed. I'm a girl in a
book
I have, as I say, Jaclyn thanks again for coming
on. I'll be sure to put the, the links to
the various sites in the podcast, in the show notes.
So we will listen to this episode on your favorite
podcast app, made sure to check out the show notes
as usual as you can click straight through to them.
So, Jacqueline, thanks again for a panel on the show
today.
Thank you. It's been fun.
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