Wounded relationship or sacred union?
Speaker:Unsafe for your heart or safe for your heart?
Speaker:Conscious or unconscious?
Speaker:How do you tell the difference?
Speaker:It's not always that simple.
Speaker:I've been asked these questions so many times, so here is a deep dive into
Speaker:this topic so that after listening to this, you understand all the nuances
Speaker:and subtle complexities and the true difference between these two.
Speaker:Sometimes it can feel like sacred love, the connection is so powerful,
Speaker:the intensity is undeniable, but then why is there so much pain?
Speaker:Why does it hurt so much at times?
Speaker:And what is the meaning of this hurt?
Speaker:Or is it the pain of growth, or is it the pain of repeating the same pattern again?
Speaker:When we're stuck in the in-between, it drains us.
Speaker:You don't need me to explain what that feels like.
Speaker:You've likely been there, your head is spinning, you're second guessing.
Speaker:Not fully in.
Speaker:Not fully out.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:Because the energy of certainty is powerful.
Speaker:When you know, you choose.
Speaker:When you choose fully, your nervous system relaxes, your energy expands, love flows.
Speaker:But when your uncertain, your life force gets fragmented, you can't
Speaker:access the depth, the joy, the clarity that you're meant to live in.
Speaker:So let's dive deep into this.
Speaker:Welcome to the Masculine and Feminine Dynamics podcast.
Speaker:My name is Lorin Krenn, and I'm a coach, author, and hypnotherapist.
Speaker:I help you to understand masculine and feminine dynamics.
Speaker:I want to begin this episode by saying something that might surprise you.
Speaker:Have you ever seen someone ask another person who is confused
Speaker:about their relationship or something going on a question such
Speaker:as, what does your intuition say?
Speaker:Or deep down, you know.
Speaker:Just drop in and listen and you'll know the truth.
Speaker:I believe, and I don't just believe, I know from having worked with so many
Speaker:people and having helped people through so many different challenges, that
Speaker:this usually only adds more pressure because if you knew 100%, if you had
Speaker:this ability to feel your intuition so deeply, to discern between what your
Speaker:gut is telling you or what old wounding, the difference between the two, then
Speaker:the question and confusion wouldn't even most likely be there in the first place.
Speaker:This is not about adding more pressure.
Speaker:This is not about diagnosing your relationship or anyone else's
Speaker:relationship as you listen to this.
Speaker:This is about creating a safe space for yourself, a space where you are
Speaker:not stressed and pressured, but a space where the truth can reveal itself to
Speaker:you, where your nervous system can relax.
Speaker:That is what I want to create, and I believe that is so much more important
Speaker:than this hectic inner frenzy trying to connect with your intuition.
Speaker:It just adds more confusion.
Speaker:The goal is not to force clarity.
Speaker:The goal is to become so deeply rooted in your power and truth, that the
Speaker:difference between wounded love and sacred union feels so obvious to you.
Speaker:At a deeper level, it's not a fault.
Speaker:It's not a fault pattern.
Speaker:You don't ask someone, you feel it.
Speaker:It's clear inside you.
Speaker:You don't need to overanalyze.
Speaker:You don't need another mental framework.
Speaker:What we need is embodiment, you being so rooted in your truth, so
Speaker:rooted in your heart, so rooted in your body, that you can truly feel
Speaker:the difference at a deeper level.
Speaker:And that is the real healing work, to become the version of you who no longer
Speaker:confuses pain with depth, chaos with chemistry, or sacrifice with devotion.
Speaker:I wanted sacred union so badly, because deep down I knew it was meant for me.
Speaker:But I was also in my earlier journey hijacked by an ungrounded nervous
Speaker:frenzy inside me that was trying to escape from the pain and the emotional
Speaker:weight from all the trauma and suffering that I've experienced in the past.
Speaker:So I had to go through my journey before meeting my now wife, I had
Speaker:to go through a deep journey where I confused sacredness with trauma.
Speaker:I had to go through a deep journey where I mistakenly confused intensity with
Speaker:love or chemistry with soul connection.
Speaker:And I was up in the clouds, escaping and running, rather than truly being
Speaker:grounded and looking reality in its eyes.
Speaker:There were painful lessons, but I'm so grateful for these lessons because
Speaker:everyone who is meant for this journey of divine or deeper union, and if you feel
Speaker:that calling, it means you most likely are, has to go through their journey
Speaker:for their soul to ripen and mature.
Speaker:I had to go through this journey to become the version of myself that
Speaker:could actually discern between the two.
Speaker:What is old wounding, what is sacred union?
Speaker:And as mentioned before, being able to discern that and feel that so deeply,
Speaker:I can choose my wife every moment, every day, fully and wholeheartedly.
Speaker:That energy of certainty is what creates so much intimacy, so
Speaker:much connection, so much beauty, so much depth and so much joy.
Speaker:But if someone is still in between, then they're not fully in choice, and
Speaker:to not be fully in choice when you are in something or doing something,
Speaker:specifically in a relationship means that you're not fully conscious in it.
Speaker:Because if you're doing something but you're not fully choosing
Speaker:it, there's a sense of resist resistance, there's a sense of lack
Speaker:of clarity, and it drains and leaks.
Speaker:Your energy is being leaked, your energy is being drained, your life force.
Speaker:But back to my point at the beginning.
Speaker:When you want sacred love so badly, it becomes easy to bypass all the
Speaker:subtle things that something isn't actually safe for your heart and
Speaker:something that is not aligned.
Speaker:So we must bring deep grounding and discernment to this journey.
Speaker:Yes, the most wonderful experience to experience that sacred love,
Speaker:but that doesn't mean to go up in the clouds and disappear.
Speaker:It means to ground yourself even deeper into this beautiful earth,
Speaker:into this present moment reality.
Speaker:That sacred The other is an escapism.
Speaker:So just before we get more practical and deeper here, and I talk about the key
Speaker:differences between wounded relationships and sacred union, that's something
Speaker:that I invite you to do ongoingly.
Speaker:To really get present and honestly, look at what's happening in your
Speaker:life and in your relationships.
Speaker:To not be afraid of that, but to really look at it.
Speaker:Because from that place, you can then make conscious choices.
Speaker:If you don't do this actively, you are most likely escaping somewhere.
Speaker:Now, let's talk about the key differences between wounded
Speaker:relationships and sacred union.
Speaker:A difference number one, truth.
Speaker:In both a sacred union and in a wounded relationship, stuff will rise, triggers,
Speaker:wounds, emotions, you'll be challenged.
Speaker:But the key difference is in a wounded dynamic, what arises is
Speaker:often an expression of old pain.
Speaker:You find yourself chasing, walking on eggshells, needing to earn love,
Speaker:needing to be something else than you are not, feeling unsafe, unseen,
Speaker:losing your sense of self, and feeling that your truth is not fully
Speaker:welcome and would lead to challenges.
Speaker:In a sacred union, what rises is an invitation to heal,
Speaker:not a repetition of old pain.
Speaker:And here is the real test.
Speaker:When you speak your highest truth, what happens?
Speaker:Does the relationship deepen and drop into deeper intimacy and
Speaker:connection and trust and safety, or does it lead to more challenges?
Speaker:For a brief moment, it might be challenging, but not in the long run.
Speaker:If it leads to confusion, shutdown, and pain, you need to have an honest
Speaker:look at what's going on there.
Speaker:In sacred union, there is always space for truth.
Speaker:Even if the truth is uncomfortable and you need to speak it with
Speaker:care and mindfulness, how you deliver it is very important.
Speaker:But both partners in sacred union want the truth because they know it's the
Speaker:only thing that deepens the connection.
Speaker:It's the fundament of everything, because without truth, there is no love.
Speaker:In a wounded relationship, truth threatens the dysfunction.
Speaker:One, or usually both.
Speaker:In different ways, both partners need to avoid truth to keep an illusion alive.
Speaker:Let me make this practical.
Speaker:Let's say you are the one who's always initiating, always chasing, and then one
Speaker:day you speak your truth, that it feels one sided and you don't feel fully met.
Speaker:Now how that truth is received will tell you everything.
Speaker:And this is where it gets challenging because as humans, we think in
Speaker:black and white and we think, well, if that's the case, if it is one
Speaker:sided like this, it means it can never be a sacred relationship.
Speaker:I wouldn't necessarily say that.
Speaker:It's more about can the truth be received and can the other person show up and
Speaker:do the work required to move back into truth, meaning to move back into love?
Speaker:Because that's the caveat of all of this.
Speaker:That's the subtle distinction.
Speaker:Just because there is sacred love doesn't mean there is no trauma.
Speaker:You might both be expressing a lot of trauma.
Speaker:You might both feel totally lost in a moment, in an argument, but it doesn't
Speaker:mean you don't have sacred love.
Speaker:It's not black and white.
Speaker:But what happens when truth is spoken?
Speaker:What happens when one of you really speaks their highest truth?
Speaker:Can the other receive, can the other drop inwards?
Speaker:And can you both move back into truth and back into love?
Speaker:Because if you can, then by definition that is sacred, and if you cannot, or
Speaker:if one cannot, then that by definition is wounded, dysfunctional, not safe.
Speaker:No matter how much love is buried underneath.
Speaker:Truth is the enemy of a dysfunctional and wounded dynamic because it exposes
Speaker:something, and truth is the requirement.
Speaker:The sacred ground, where sacred union stands on.
Speaker:In a dysfunctional wounded dynamic, one or both are playing out specific
Speaker:patterns that they want to hide from.
Speaker:The relationship is more an escape and further projection of core trauma rather
Speaker:than a walking home together, healing together, evolving and growing together.
Speaker:So an illusion has to be kept alive, and truth is an enemy of that.
Speaker:That's why things fall apart and truth has a destructive quality to it.
Speaker:Not because it's bad, but because what is not meant to be will fall away.
Speaker:Difference number two.
Speaker:No more romanticizing the fucking bullshit.
Speaker:Let's stop romanticizing the nonsense.
Speaker:Let's stop romanticizing, avoidant, anxious dynamics.
Speaker:Let's stop romanticizing, or let's just go with the flow, which
Speaker:usually are commitment issues.
Speaker:Let's stop romanticizing we need to break up to find each other again.
Speaker:No, it more means avoidant.
Speaker:I'm not saying that cannot be the truth, but I'm saying let's stop
Speaker:romanticizing this bullshit, because there is nothing sacred about it.
Speaker:There's nothing sacred about breaking up or lacking commitment.
Speaker:It just isn't.
Speaker:Yes, what's sacred is to choose to do the work together and
Speaker:to truly devote ourselves.
Speaker:I hear a lot of this romanticization when it comes to twin flame.
Speaker:That's why I don't even use the word twin flame, because we need to be
Speaker:mindful not to romanticize that.
Speaker:Sacred union is two people fully devoted to one another.
Speaker:No games, no performing only truth, only love that is grounded
Speaker:in the now and not in potential.
Speaker:No more drama disguised as destiny.
Speaker:When two people stop playing games, that's when things become sacred.
Speaker:When two people stop performing and truly meet each other with full presence
Speaker:and with an open heart, that's where the sacred flows into the relationship.
Speaker:Everything else, without me wanting to generalize here, but everything else is
Speaker:more in the realm of spiritual bypassing or attaching beautiful spiritual flaky
Speaker:language to something that is actually just healing or repeating certain wounds.
Speaker:The difference number three, there is something deeper holding you.
Speaker:There is something deeper holding a sacred union, a a very conscious relationship.
Speaker:Something you can't fake, can't force, and can't manufacture.
Speaker:It's mystical, it's a soul current.
Speaker:It's this telepathic connection.
Speaker:Now, some people will have that feeling with someone, that's actually a repetition
Speaker:of old wounding, but obviously it's not the same feeling, but they confuse it.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:One is obsessive, one comes from fear and often seeking the familiar
Speaker:chaos we experienced growing up, there's an intensity, there's a
Speaker:psychic pull, but again, it's more the nervous system memory of abandonment
Speaker:and, and measurement and chaos.
Speaker:In sacred union, that soul connection lies in stillness, in peace, in safety.
Speaker:There is no obsessive psychic intense, crazy, crazy pull, rather, you
Speaker:could just be in stillness together, you can be in peace together.
Speaker:Your nervous systems can be at ease together, and you
Speaker:feel that deeper soul current.
Speaker:That's as close as we can describe it with words.
Speaker:Difference number four.
Speaker:You don't lose yourself in sacred union, but you do lose your sense
Speaker:of self in a wounded dynamic.
Speaker:In sacred union, you return to yourself.
Speaker:In sacred union, you don't disappear into the relationship.
Speaker:You don't become smaller to be loved.
Speaker:You become more of who you are.
Speaker:Sacred union takes away the bullshit of who you are not, for you to be
Speaker:the true self, the higher self.
Speaker:A wounded dynamic requires of you to always be someone who you are not, and
Speaker:live up to an expectation or ideal that's not even real, grounded or something you
Speaker:deep down want to be or aspire to be.
Speaker:In a wounded dynamic, you are always negotiating with yourself.
Speaker:Should I say this?
Speaker:Will they leave if I show this part of me?
Speaker:Maybe I'm expecting too much.
Speaker:Maybe I'm the problem.
Speaker:Maybe I should be less intense.
Speaker:Maybe I ask for too much.
Speaker:But that's not love.
Speaker:That's usually self abandonment, shrinking, playing small, dimming
Speaker:your light in order to be loved and to keep connection alive.
Speaker:Sacred love doesn't demand your performance.
Speaker:It invites your presence.
Speaker:It invites you to be real, to be the true you.
Speaker:The more authentic you are, the deeper the relationship goes.
Speaker:In a wounded dynamic, your authenticity, your truth, you being fully who you
Speaker:are can lead to more chaos, because the dynamic is built on the wounded
Speaker:dynamic, which means it's trying to pull you back into that old wound
Speaker:itself rather than inviting you to rise into your highest power and truth.
Speaker:Difference number five, sacred union evolves you.
Speaker:Sacred union is not the end of your healing journey.
Speaker:Some could even say it's the beginning.
Speaker:It's not the beginning, ' cause a lot has to happen for this journey
Speaker:to unfold and for you to truly be aware of the sacredness and
Speaker:have that level of commitment.
Speaker:But it's the accelerator of your healing.
Speaker:Your partner is not your savior.
Speaker:I'm not saying that, but the container of the relationship is so rooted
Speaker:in truth that anything false will naturally rise to be seen, to be met,
Speaker:to be integrated, and to be healed.
Speaker:In sacred union, there is this beautiful balance of you both growing
Speaker:individually on your soul journey, and growing together, and somehow in
Speaker:sacred union, there is a place for both.
Speaker:In a wounded dynamic that gets very blurry.
Speaker:Your who you are, your individuality, their individuality, all is a wild mix
Speaker:of pain, obsessive passion, psychic pull, rooted in intensity, trauma,
Speaker:rather than safety and the depth of love.
Speaker:So in a sacred unit, there's somehow this beautiful balance where you feel
Speaker:you can honor fully your journey as a soul in this life and your partner as
Speaker:well, and you're also becoming one.
Speaker:So it's becoming one and honoring your own individual journeys,
Speaker:and that's true wholeness.
Speaker:Sacred union will never ask of you.
Speaker:To give up your humanness and your own journey because you're still two souls who
Speaker:have different traumas to work through.
Speaker:You just choose to walk this journey together, support each other, and
Speaker:honor each other at the highest level.
Speaker:In a wounded dynamic when one grows and truly steps into their truth, the
Speaker:other might even feel left behind.
Speaker:Not left behind.
Speaker:From a place of, wow, this is inspiring, but from a place of fear,
Speaker:wanting to control them, wanting them to play small again, minimizing
Speaker:them, rather than truly being so blissfully happy that your partner
Speaker:is evolving and growing and healing.
Speaker:How divine.
Speaker:In sacred union, your growth is welcomed, your winds are shared, your.
Speaker:Expansion becomes an inspiration for your partner and not a threat.
Speaker:If it's a threat to them, they are rooted in fear and control, and even though deep
Speaker:down they might love you, they have not yet reached a level of consciousness where
Speaker:they can truly love at the highest level.
Speaker:In a truly divine union, your partner blossoming, flowering, expanding,
Speaker:healing, becoming more authentic, shedding identities, working
Speaker:through patterns, it inspires you.
Speaker:You acknowledge them, you honor them, you love seeing them expand.
Speaker:That's sacred love.
Speaker:And one final distinction.
Speaker:Sacred union doesn't mean there is no pain.
Speaker:It just means the pain is in service to love, not the result of avoiding it.
Speaker:In a wounded relationship, love becomes the price you pay for being real.
Speaker:In sacred union, being real.
Speaker:Is what brings you closer.
Speaker:You pay no price and the only thing you are asked to release are all the bullshit
Speaker:identities and illusions and limiting beliefs that are not who you truly are.
Speaker:You don't have to give up anything of who you are.
Speaker:You only have to shed who you are not.
Speaker:Your authenticity, your truth, your love, who you truly are is
Speaker:most welcome, and that which is most desired in a sacred union.
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