Welcome to Romans Road, the podcast of me, Eddie Roman.

This is where we talk about evangelism and apologetics and all kinds of Christian stuff.

There are many controversies in the Christian church among Christians, and some of them are big, some of them are pretty small.

And if you live in Southern California where people like to drink their lattes and jog on the beach boardwalk, one of the controversies is about yoga.

Should Christians practice yoga?

Well, I'm not going to answer that question.

I'm going to let Kadeem do it for me.

Now, I ran into a man down on the Oceanside boardwalk, and very interesting guy, as you're about to find out.

He told me all about his worship of goddess.

That's right.

He doesn't worship God, he worships Goddess.

Super interesting conversation.

And this was a man who is extremely open and humble, and it was just a blessing.

And so this is going to be a two part conversation.

Part one is going to be mostly him talking about his beliefs, and part two, I'm going to hit him with the gospel gently.

Anyway, so here we go.

This is the beginning of my conversation with Kadeem.

All right, Kadeem, so here we are.

I was just hanging out at Oceanside here.

I saw you sitting here on this bench and came over and started talking to you.

And you told me something that I had never heard before.

You said that I asked you if you believe in God and you proceeded.

To tell me what I proceeded to tell you.

Your name is Eddie.

Eddie.

I believe in Goddess.

So my parents, it was, it was how I was raised.

They were young.

They were 19 when they, when they had me, or 20.

19 when they had me.

20 or 19 when they conceived, 20 when they had me.

Okay.

So they, they didn't get a chance to mature into a relationship, but it was just young love.

And they, you know, they fell head over heels in love with each other, but it just, it wasn't built to last.

So When I was 8, my parents split up, they divorced.

So part of me always needed a strong man in the household and he wasn't there.

So I grew to rely on myself on everything.

I was what you call agnostic.

So I grew very dependent on myself.

I up grew, I became very isolated.

I became very in tune with the fact that if I was going to survive, I had to survive on my own.

I wasn't going to rely on my mom.

I wasn't going to rely on any school or, you know, business.

I had to figure it each day out on my own.

I love listening to stories, to testimonies of unbelievers.

Because so often it gives me compassion for them.

Like this guy already, man, I'm just looking him going, holy smokes.

You have been through a lot.

Just not having a dad around, just.

That is just, just sad.

So I think it's really important just to listen to people and see where they're coming from.

I began to take things very seriously.

I was very business minded.

You know, I was very cut and dry, black and white.

Everything is either is or isn't.

There's no in between.

And so this is even from a young age.

Yeah, from about 6, 7, 8.

Yeah.

I've been very, very in tune with, with who I am and my purpose in life.

Okay.

All about business.

Even as a little kid.

Oh, man, I've.

Yeah.

Little known fact.

Anyway, I'm not, not gonna do.

So from a young age, you had a mother, you didn't have a father.

And you kind of alluded, it sounded like you were getting to this, somehow led you into the feminine divine kind of thing.

So do you think that if you would have had like a quote unquote, normal upbringing with a mom and a dad.

What does that mean?

Because, I mean, that's my life.

I'm not gonna say like, oh, it was horrible, because it wasn't horrible, but it wasn't good, it wasn't happy, it wasn't, you know, cheerful sing song.

It was real.

And I had to learn to be real with each and every day.

I was drowned as a child.

I was drowned as a five year old and I had a new.

You were drowned?

Yeah.

Tell me about that.

Oh, it's a convoluted.

It's a confusing story.

So my best friend and I were.

It was one of those inflatable pools and it had the ramp and so there was a pool of water at the bottom.

My body's shuddering thinking about it.

So we were running around, you climb up, you slide down, and then you hit the pool and then you run out, run out the screen and you run back around.

So him and I, we race, racing, racing around.

So I shoved him, right?

So he shoved me back and then we're climbing up.

So I.

He was in front of me for about three minutes and the minute four, minute five, I passed him.

So I'm coming down the slide and then.

So I was in the pool, I was trying to get up and it was tarp because inflatable.

And then I feel these knees on top of my shoulders.

Yeah.

So he tried to drown me.

It was like infant rage.

Wow.

So that's crazy.

Little kids kind of don't know what they're doing.

That's what I had to learn real quick, that a lot of things I was gonna experience weren't gonna make a whole lot of sense to me if I tried to understand it through my own understanding.

Little kids don't know what they're doing, but it doesn't matter if you die.

Yeah.

Because they don't have a concept really of like life or death.

Everything's really like a fantasy.

Yeah.

Wow.

Crazy little near death experience there.

And I don't remember this guy singing at all.

Bob, behind me.

So.

Okay, take me to what led you to believe in the feminine God, as you put it?

Okay.

So my parents split up.

They officially got divorced, like, legally when I was 12.

I graduated high school.

My mom dies.

My mom passes away.

I'm so sorry.

Yeah.

Breast cancer.

And, you know, it was just her.

I didn't have any brothers and sisters.

There was no aunt or like grandma in the house.

So I grew up by myself, basically.

My mom had issues.

She was.

Psychologically, she was torn.

So your mom was present, but she wasn't present available.

Yeah.

So I just learned to carry a lot on my own shoulders.

Yeah.

Where did you live during this time?

Like San Diego or what part of America?

Where were you?

I was living in Anaheim, California.

Yeah.

It was a relatively well to do area, but it wasn't nice.

It wasn't like.

Because Border was Anaheim Hills and Anaheim Hills is nice.

And then you had Yoroba Linda, which is like the bougie, like super duper nice area.

So.

And what.

What age is this?

From 0 to 0 to 18, because we.

So I lived in an apartment complex from zero to zero because I was born there, like born and raised.

Zero to 15.

And then Anaheim Hills, which is the neighboring city, from 15 to 18, living with my grandma.

And that became a whole issue.

And my mom and my grandma would always get into it and it was just.

It was always an issue.

It was just that the family dynamics in my household just been gnarly.

It's just been very toxic, which led me to mental illness, what's now deemed a schizoaffectiveness.

Describe that to me.

What does that look like?

So schizoaffective.

And then mine is bipolar too.

Schizo schizophrenia is defined as severe anxiety, social withdrawal, and the term is feeling unreal, which means you don't like, relate to reality.

And then with the bipolar, it's the mania, which is like excitement or anger.

Mine comes through as, as either wrath or it turns into manic depression which becomes like, like lethargy and the unwillingness or the unfavorability of doing things.

I started taking Abilify and other psychotropics at 19 and I was.

I love this song, La Bamba.

Well, you gotta admit it is a good song.

Let me ask you something real, real quick.

I've always, I've always been curious.

You said you were taking psychotropic drugs.

Looking back, do you think those drug helped you or do you think they added to your, you know, your mental state, messed it up more?

What do you think?

So that's an excellent question.

I'm glad you asked that.

I think it was both.

I think it was actually what goddess needed me to experience, to be able to attune to the amount of peace and joy and happiness that I, that I feel now.

Because if you feel joy and happiness but you're not ready for it, if you're not attuned to it, if you're not really in that state of like centeredness, then feels worse because it's like, I'm happy, but then what?

Or I'm happy, but what if something happens?

You're always thinking about something else.

I had to meditate for years to be able to, you know, be able to handle myself at a level where I was going to be happy for most of the time or all the time.

Because once you're happy, you have to be able to maintain that there has to be something after that.

It's not necessarily like another event or another occurrence, but there has to be something.

Like I learned that my sadness was happy.

I had to learn that things that were going to make me sad were going to also going to bring me great joy.

It's just I had to figure that out in a way that didn't attune the way that I was going to think about it in a normal way.

I had to find a way that didn't make a whole lot of sense so that I would have faith in it.

So basically I was at the Department of Mental Health in Long beach.

I was 21 and I was taking CBT and DBT classes, cognitive behavioral therapy and dialectical behavioral sirens therapy and spirituality and different things to, you know, be able to deal with my reality.

And the instructor, because I was transferring out, basically graduating, she transferred, she said.

She advised me to go to a yoga studio.

And so I started practicing yoga and that was 23.

So then I started getting into like the Bhagavad Gita the name for the holy text of yoga.

And let me ask you a question real quick because this is super interesting to me.

So I've heard a lot of people say yoga, it's just stretching.

It's just something where people go and it's like working out but just stretching.

And there's really nothing spiritual about it.

What do you think about that?

I love this question.

So you have to go to a studio that's a tune to yoga.

A lot of studios or a lot of places that offer yoga will be like a donation base where you come and pay $20 or you have a monthly basis.

You want to go to one that has a monthly or not monthly the offering.

Because you want to go to one where you can go and it's not like about stretching or about, you know, working out.

It's about attuning to your higher self.

And so have you been to both kinds of yoga classes?

Well, actually I don't know if I've been to one that did like the monthly subscription because I never had enough money for that.

I never, I mean I lived off of Social Security and you know, so.

So, so, so I just want to make sure I'm, I'm understanding.

So you're saying that the kind of yoga studios you went to and the kind that exist are you give a donation?

Almost.

It sounds like almost the same way.

It's like a church where you give donations and then they're going to teach you some spiritual stuff.

When is a yoga studio not actually a business?

Well, when it's set up as a 5013C.

When it is set up in the same way as a church, a non profit organization that takes donations and can't legally take a payment.

And it's funny, I remember there was this food truck but they would only take donations.

They had a big sign on the side saying donations only.

And it was a group of Hare Krishnas and they had this food truck set up.

And so I would go up there and they would, I would say how much is this soda?

Or whatever and oh no, it's free.

We just take donations.

And you know, a little 21 year old that I was like free, thank you.

And I would just take it and they would get so mad at me because they're depending on the goodness of people's hearts, which I didn't have any at the time.

And you know, that's how they would get away with selling stuff.

But doing it under a nonprofit but making a lot of money that way anyway, having a yoga studio that only runs on donations, makes it pretty clear that this is a religious kind of place.

At least that's what it seems like.

And what Kadeem is about to get into makes it really clear that the yoga studios that he used to go to are places of religion, not just places of stretching, the old hamstrings.

So go on and tell me what you learned in yoga class.

Oh, man, you learned so much.

It's breathing, but it's not just breathing.

It's.

It's attuning to higher self.

It's attuning to the nasal, the sinuses, and being able to regulate your temperature and regulate your body, like your body mass, and being able to attune to different ways of relating to reality because you have to have the spiritual with the physical.

A lot of studios that just practice, like the monthly subscriptions, it's just going there to stretch because it came to the west, but in the east, they practice and then they'll do.

It's called a satsang, or like a spiritual teaching on top of what you do in the room.

So if I was to go to one of these yoga classes, I would not only get the stretching, but at some point, they're gonna teach me something about a spiritual kind of nature.

And especially with yoga, there's.

I forget how many.

There's lots of different gods and goddesses in yoga.

Is it basically Hinduism?

I believe it's different.

I believe Hinduism is more like praising the idols or like, attuning to, like, maybe abundance.

I. I'm not sure.

I. I don't.

I. I've never studied Hinduism, so I don't know.

Okay, okay.

All right, quick definition here from the Google.

Yoga is a practice with origins in ancient India and is deeply rooted in Hinduism, but also has a presence in other Eastern religions like Jainism, Sikhism, and Buddhism.

While many in the west practice yoga for physical and mental health without a spiritual component, the religious traditions view it as a way to achieve spiritual enlightenment and liberation.

Yoga is excellent.

It's awesome for your.

Your.

Your spine and your flexibility, your mobility, your state of mind.

But there's different goddesses that you attune to while you're in.

They're called asana, or positions, because it's not the stretching, it's the ability to be in the moment.

Okay, now this is super interesting to me because I've heard something about this before.

So in yoga, let's say there's 10 different common positions that you get into.

And what I've heard is that these aren't just stretching.

Positions, they would be.

You're replicating or putting yourself into some kind of position to basically be in a position to worship or get in tune with some kind of God or goddess.

Is that.

Is that true?

Yeah.

All right.

I've graduated from the Google and now I have moved on to Yoga International.

So I'm gonna see what they have to say about this whole issue of poses.

What are the poses?

And so one of the basic poses, from what I understand, is the tree pose.

I'm just gonna read what it says.

This is like where the tree pose came from, what it.

What it means.

It says trees appear throughout Indian sacred literature as symbols of the universe and organic links between God and the individual.

In this pose, the tree pose, imagine yourself as both Sita and the tree.

Now, Sita in Hinduism is a goddess.

Sita, abducted and held captive, draws strength and comfort from nature.

Contact with the earth helps her focus on Rama.

That's another God.

Oh, who is, of course, not only her husband, but God, the personification of ultimate value.

Her body may be constrained, but her mind is free.

All right, well, now, you know, if you are a Christian and you've been doing the tree pose, you have been involved in a religious practice.

If you've been doing it in ignorance, well, now you're not ignorant anymore.

If you are Christian and you're know, you know all this stuff and you're doing it anyway, I would just ask, how are you honoring God in.

In that, doing this pretend religious thing to an idol?

It's just strange.

And obviously the tree pose is just one of many proses.

I mentioned 10 poses, but actually there's, I think, like 84 classic ones and.

And then over 8 million poses.

And that would make sense because, you know, when you start studying in Hinduism, there's millions and millions of gods.

And so anyway, stretching, yes, yoga, no.

It's just kind of sloughing off all of the negative and all of the.

The density that I'm carrying and really attuning to a higher level of being.

Would the negative be considered sin?

I mean, I think in the west, or at least in certain practices, I think, because sin is a general term, I think.

I think it was.

Well, I think specifically Christianity, they, they.

They not necessarily demonize it, but they.

They harp in on it.

It's very singular.

It's very pronounced.

But in other practices it's not.

It's more of what you do in the moment.

It's not, oh, I sin, now I have to repent.

It's, I sinned.

How do I make myself a better person.

That's actually true Christianity.

The way you deal with sin is through repentance, through forgiveness, and every other religion.

The way you deal with your sin is through trying to fix it yourself, trying to make yourself a better person.

Wow.

He's actually correct.

So a big part.

And again, correct me if I'm wrong.

A big part of practicing yoga and clearing your mind and all these different things.

You are making yourself spiritually a better person.

Is that correct?

Of course.

You have to.

I mean, when I first started, I remember my first yoga class.

I wish my.

My.

They call it Sifu.

My original yoga teacher Dharma was here.

Sifu?

Is that the guy in Kung Fu Panda?

No.

Have you ever seen that movie?

It might be.

It might because it's a.

It's a term that means, like, teacher.

I think it's representative that.

That term.

Okay, so your original teacher.

Yeah.

No, because my.

My first yoga class, it was an hour long class.

And so I started off and I was like, all right, I can do this.

This will be fine.

So we just.

Five minutes in, like, my body was giving up.

Like, I was done.

So it's called child's pose, where you're just on your.

Your knees and then you stretch out.

So I did it for 55 minutes.

Wow.

For 55 minutes, and you're still alive today to tell us about it?

No, it reminds me of Vikram, and Vikram was crazy.

I couldn't do it.

It was 118 degrees in the room, and it was humid and it was sweaty, and I lasted three minutes in that one.

Is that.

Is that what they call hot yoga?

Yes, it's hot yoga.

And I haven't done the studies on it, but it's supposed to be very clearing for, like, the lymph nodes.

And, like, because you sweat out a lot.

Like your.

Your regular.

Like, your.

What do they call that when you, like, your.

Your body regulates fluids?

Just sweating.

There's a specific term for it.

I'm not sure of it.

Okay, well, I do.

I do know that in general, when you sweat a lot, you're cleaning out your pores, and it's just a healthy thing.

You don't want to just sweat.

Because I think a lot of people get into, like, detox mode, and they're like, oh, I'm sweated out.

I'm just.

Get it all out of me.

Your body retains, like, nutrients and all, like, chemicals.

Like, right.

Salt.

Salt and potassium, iron.

I mean, so you have.

And then lactic acid from working out, and then you, like, the Cortisol, like the different endorphins.

And so your body doesn't just naturally just switch sweat stuff out, it's regulating.

So it's not just sweat it out, so it's not in your system anymore.

It's find a better way for your body to be able to maintain a certain state.

Now, this is fascinating, but it's also getting me exhausted just thinking about exercising.

But I'm just kidding with you.

So I want to get back to when you.

When you originally met or began to understand the feminine deity that you now worship as that.

Correct.

I worship goddess as a whole because there's a lot of singular, not.

Well, I guess the easiest term is avatars, women who embody the divine feminine.

But I just find it easier in my own way of being, in my own mind, that God became.

That God was created from a woman.

Okay.

That's just how.

That's how my brain works.

It's not like, oh, I don't believe, or, oh, I'm trying to rebel or anything.

I'm not trying to pull anyone away from God.

I love God.

God's cool, you know?

But in my own experience, Goddess is where I start when I start with divinity.

Because if I don't start with goddess, then I mean, God can only help so much if there's no goddess.

Actually, the God of the Bible can do whatever he wants all by himself.

Doesn't need a partner, doesn't need a goddess.

I think the real issue is that Kadeem is just using his reasoning, his whatever it is he goes off of, to make up his own God.

That's called idolatry.

To believe in whatever feels good to him, whatever makes sense to him.

Later on in this interview, you're going to see that Kadeem has read a lot of the Bible.

He does believe a lot of the Bible.

And, you know, that's where it's going to get really interesting.

But there's an interesting verse, Psalm 50, verse 21B.

In context, God is rebuking someone.

And in the middle of it, he says something interesting.

He says, you thought that I was one like yourself.

You thought I was like you.

And that's a problem.

That's a problem with Kadim, and that's a problem with a lot of mankind.

They just figure God is just like me.

So obviously he's got to do things like we do.

Hence, you need a mother and a father.

There's a lot of different groups that do claim that there's a mother God.

Mormons, that's something they don't like to talk about up front.

Mormons believe that there is a father God and, and there's a mother God.

They don't like to talk about that.

And it's funny, when I bring it up, they usually like try to get out of that conversation pretty quick.

World Mission Society, Church of God, that's another group.

They're from South Korea.

They're all about the mother God.

Nothing new, but definitely unbiblical.

When someone brings up mother God or any other kind of God, I like to take them to Isaiah 43 and 44.

Here's Isaiah 43:10.

You are my witnesses, declares the Lord and my servant whom I have chosen.

That you may know and believe me and understand that I am He.

Before me no God was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

I, I am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.

There's one God.

So that's Isaiah 43.

And then here in Isaiah 44, starting at verse 6, thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts.

I am the first and I am the last.

Besides Me, there is no God who is like me.

Let him proclaim it.

Let him declare and set it before me.

Since I appointed an ancient people, let them declare what is to come and what will happen.

Fear not, nor be afraid.

Have I not told you from old and declared it?

And you are my witnesses.

Is there a God besides me?

There is no rock.

I know not any man.

So here's God saying there's only one God, saying he doesn't know of any other God.

And obviously God would know.

He's omniscient.

And so Isaiah 43 and 44, great places to take someone who is insisting that the God of the Bible has a wife or even as a woman or whatever.

Because according to God himself, there's only one God, and it's Him.

And the Bible says that the glory of the man is the woman and the glory of God is man.

I believe, obviously it's talking about human men and women that God created.

So just to clarify, you believe that goddess or the.

The idea of God is like the, the big picture.

And then that Goddess manifests themselves in different women, different, different spiritual incarnations.

Okay, so tell me, tell me about one or two of these incarnations of what's.

What's one of them?

Okay, so there's Kuan Yin, and I believe she was a Japanese.

I believe it was like the beginning of geishas.

I'm not sure.

I don't know.

I haven't done a whole lot of study on her, but she just went through, she went through so much.

And when you, you go through certain, certain experiences, they become very spiritual and they, they, they change how you feel about.

How you feel about certain things.

You know, how you, how you relate to certain events or like your life as a whole.

And so just, just so I understand, Kuan Yin, this is a spiritual deity being, or is this a person who walked around?

She was a person on the earth.

I believe it was few, thousands, if not a few thousand years ago.

I believe that's.

You can't.

Don't quote me on this.

My brain, like, the, the different thoughts in my head, like they all mashed together.

So pulling individual pieces out is hard.

That's fine.

I'm the same way with a lot of information.

But just so I understand, would you say that in the same way that the Bible talks about Jesus being the incarnation of God, that Kwan Yin was an incarnation of Goddess?

Yes.

And so.

Well, I mean, with the Bible, you have Mary Magdalene.

Just, I think, I mean, and this is where it gets highly controversial because a lot of people are like, well, because you believe in Jesus, you've been saved.

And because, you know, the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost and they're one and they're having.

And it's just, I think it's the terminology.

It gets, I believe it gets mangled because I believe that Mary Magdalene is divine counterpart to Jesus Christ.

Wow.

And.

And where do you, where do you get that from?

Or what.

How did you come to that conclusion?

Two great questions to ask someone when they say something that is so out there.

Where did you get that from?

Or how did you come to that conclusion?

I've seen many times when I ask questions like that and the person just kind of realizes, oh, I don't know, I just made it up.

That's always kind of fun.

It's just my assertions from the Bible and I've read a couple books that explain the divine, feminine and Magdalene energy a little more.

So I've just been able to expand my horizons around Jesus Christ and expand my horizons around how I feel about the Holy Ghost and about God himself.

Because I have to believe in my Heavenly Father.

I do.

But I also have to believe in, in something that makes sense to me.

And having a.

It's just the heat because I'm a male.

It just didn't make sense to be praising man and then.

But he's.

He's a man.

But I'm not praising myself, but praise him.

So that, that just, it didn't compute to me.

But.

So you like the idea of not only a heavenly father, but a heavenly mother as well?

Yeah, it's the heavenly mother and the nurture and the ability to be suckered.

You know, it just allowed me to be able to hold the divine feminine in an energy where I could ascertain to the divine masculine as well.

Because if I don't have a balance, then I'm off kilter and I don't experience life the way I should.

Have you ever read the Bible?

Like just from COVID to cover in its own context and kind of got from the Bible itself, its point of view on these things you're talking about?

I've read most of it.

The Old Testament is hard to read.

I mean it's old and then they have it in.

They translate it from Hebrew and Greek or no Hebrew.

And then Greek is the New Testament.

And then so it is just, you know, and so and so's so son and so and so's and begot from so and so and of the 80,000 and it's just over and over and.

Oh, did you get past that part?

I just got past that part.

I'm in Second Kings where Solomon is attuned.

He's building the temple.

He's.

He's become, he's coming into his own.

His father David just died.

So there like his prayer, David's prayer and then the building of the temple, the assembling of the temple, the dedication of the temple.

So that's where I'm at in the Old Testament.

Old Testament is just different.

And you know, and I believe, I believe in, in most of the Bible, I believe that it got taken out of context or because I think, well, from my own studies, the Bible was inspired to Jesus through Syriac Aramaic.

It wasn't Hebrew and Syriac Aramaic is arithmetic.

It's.

What is that Semitic?

Well, that's a known thing that the Bible was written in Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic.

So that wouldn't predict.

Prove that it's out of context or corrupted.

That's, that's just a known thing to where there were certain parts that were spoken and you know, but, but that, that would, that would be a known thing that, that the, the people who sell Bibles themselves would admit.

This is where.

This is the languages he was originally in.

Yeah, right.

As.

Okay, so, so one thing I want to just kind of challenge you with.

You seem like you, you know, you're open different ideas.

So I talk to a lot of different people who believe a lot of different things.

And what's interesting is most of the people I talk to, whatever faith background they're coming from, whether they're Islam, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, even atheists, most of them have something to say about the Bible.

And it's always good going to come from the worldview that they're coming from.

You understand what a worldview is just the way you view the world, the way you see things.

Right.

And so a Catholic, for instance, they're going to think about the Bible in terms of whatever it is that the Pope or the Vatican has said.

This is how you understand the Bible.

Same with Islam.

They're going to say this is the Bible, it's good, but here's the way you understand it.

And so whenever we're looking at the Bible through our pre existing worldview, it's going to affect how we, how we see it.

Right.

And it's very difficult for someone from a very different worldview to look at the Bible just plainly in its own context for what it is.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

Right.

And so I would just challenge you or caution you that when you're reading the Bible, if you come at it with the preconceived worldview, that there is a mother Goddess and that everything is in the feminine, you'll find that.

You'll find it.

It won't be the original context that it's in.

Like for instance, in the book of Proverbs it talks about.

There's a lot of she in Proverbs.

There you go.

That's a great point.

You've already seen that.

Well, at the very beginning of Proverbs, I think it's like chapter one and two, it says wisdom cries out from the streets, she.

And then it goes on.

And so all throughout the Book of Proverbs, whenever it's talking about she, it's referring to wisdom.

It's giving the idea of God's wisdom just a quality of a human.

And so what, for instance, the Catholics do is they say whenever you're in the Proverbs and it's talking about she, it's talking about, guess who a Catholic's point of view.

Who would the she be that the Catholics are going to worship and care about?

Mother Mary.

Mother Mary.

And so a Catholic will look at that and say, this is not talking about Mary, a Mormon.

Mormons believe that there's a God the Father and a God the Mother.

And so of course the Mormons, when they say she, they're like, that's talking about Mother Goddess.

And so all these different worldviews, depending on who it is, they already think she is, what she is, important to them.

They're gonna put that in there.

And so I would just, I would.

That's just one example out of, out of tongues.

I find that certain sects of, of certain religions get very dogmatic.

So I appreciate this open dialogue because a lot, I think, because my point of view isn't the point of view of everyone.

You know, no one's gonna, I mean, not no one, but people are gonna differ in opinion.

There's 7 billion people on the planet, so, you know, there's gonna be differing of opinions.

You have to be able to find a middle ground for everything.

And I really appreciate, appreciate your openness to talk about this stuff.

And even as I'm talking to you, I can tell you're not an argumentative person.

And you just seem like an overall nice guy.

And so because of that, I feel like it's okay for me just to be real with you and be honest, because you're being real with me.

And so I would just kind of caution you to not put your own worldview into the Bible.

So obviously it's very clear, clear in the Bible that there's only one God.

And even though he's not a human, he is depicted as a father, someone who would have more masculine qualities in the way he is.

He's not a man, but when he came to this earth, he came in the form of a man.

Right.

And so just knowing that, that the Bible teaches there's one God that would obviously eliminate any possibility of a mother God or a feminine God.

Does that make sense?

I mean, it does from, from what I hear, but from my own experience, it's kind of like.

So, you know, the, the black and white symbol, the yin and the yang.

Yes.

Okay.

So they, A lot of people assume it's, it's good and bad, but it's really the vine feminine and the divine masculine.

And they say it's like the mother father, the son and the daughter because they're little black.in the white sphere.

So it's just the balancing of energy.

So that, that's, that's what I've, what I, I've come to learn.

Okay, all right, let me, let me ask, let me ask you this.

When you know, you, you, you believe in a, a divine feminine in your system of belief, is there going to be any kind of judgment at the end of your life?

Like what happens to a person after they die?

That much is the same.

That much doesn't change.

But I think judgment is.

I don't think it's as scary as the Bible makes it out to be.

Honestly, I think that judgment is really an amalgamation of everything you've done in your life.

It's not this, oh, well, you did this and you didn't do that.

I think it's more of what did you really put into your life?

What did you really get from your life?

What did you really learn?

What did you really.

How did you.

How did you.

How did you treat other people?

You know, do you think that there.

There's.

Do you think that righteousness or, I don't know, another way to say goodness, do you think that that matters?

That at the end of the day.

So, like, for instance, based on what you said, what if I was to say, you know, I used to be a bank robber and I've been trying really hard.

I used to rob 10 banks a week.

Now only rob one bank a week.

And so based on that, I'm doing better.

Shouldn't I be allowed to enter heaven because I'm just doing better?

What would you think of that?

My answer opinion is something I learned from Islam, is that it's the intention of the heart that will be judged on.

It's really interesting that Islam says that the Bible would agree with that, but it takes it a step further.

In Jeremiah 17, it actually says, all our hearts are evil continually.

So, like, we deceive ourselves.

Whoa.

Slaughtered, that verse.

Actually, I was thinking Jeremiah 17, 9.

The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately sick, who can understand it?

But I got a little Genesis 6.

Five mixed in there where it talks about the hearts of man being evil continually.

Whoopsie.

I mean, I'm sure you just like myself, can think of times when we just pushed past whatever our conscience was telling us that was wrong, but we did it anyway because we wanted to and we forced it.

And yet there was this little thing in our head saying, you know what?

I really shouldn't be doing this because our heart is deceitful.

Like, we're very good at deceiving ourselves.

We're very good at looking at everyone else and saying, you know what?

Since I'm not as bad as that guy over there, I must be doing pretty, pretty good before God, right?

Our heart is deceitful.

All the leaves are brown.

Oh, sorry.

As California dreaming begins in the background there, I am going to bring part one of this interview to an end.

I got about another 40 minutes of talking to Kadeem, and in the next half I am going to present the gospel to him.

And yeah, I already know what happened, but you don't.

So I will see you next time on Romans Road.

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