Welcome to the VP Life Podcast, the show where we bring you actionable

health advice from leading minds.

I'm your host, Rob, and my guest today is Dr. Andrew Campbell, an immunologist

and toxicologist who's been successfully treating mold and mycotoxin illness using

a very specific protocol he's developed.

Expect to learn what mold illness really is and how it develops in the body.

Why most modern treatment protocols don't work.

And the exact protocol Dr. Campbell uses in his practice.

Now onto the conversation with Dr. Andrew Campbell.

Good day, Dr. Campbell, and thank you for joining us for what I feel

is going to be a very important discussion for a number of people.

I've been following you for a while now and must admit, I do feel you have more of

an understanding of this topic than most.

For those who aren't familiar with you and your work, would

you mind giving us a quick introduction, who you are, et cetera?

So I'm a clinical immunologist and a toxicologist.

Um, I've, uh, seen about seven well over 17,000 patients that

I've treated successfully for problems with molds and my toxins.

I've published over a hundred articles.

I've lectured at six medical schools, including Oxford.

Speak about 10 to 15 times a year at major medical conferences, lecture at them

on this subject of molds and mycotoxins that how to correctly diagnose it, how

to correctly treat it, because there's a lot of misinformation on the internet.

Um, whereas I realized specifically on, on medical and scientific

evidence, not on um, opinions.

Th thanks for that.

It's always great to get a bit of a backstory.

Um, I believe you'll be at the A four M conference later on, uh, this month.

Is that correct?

Or is that Yes, that's correct.

Yeah.

No, that's, that's an amazing place to, uh, gather information.

Um, right.

Let's dig into it.

Um, for our listeners, aren't we, would you mind mind ju just giving us a bit of

a brief rundown of what mold and mycotoxin illness is, um, and then we can sort of

maybe dig a bit deeper into it after that?

Sure.

Um, molds are part of the planet.

They're everywhere on the planet, but there's only, um, about 20 that

affect human beings, and that's when they're growing in an indoor

space out there in the open space, forest, woods, et cetera, oceans,

deserts, there's millions of species.

But, and for humans only those 20.

And what happens is they're, they can be in a home.

They're not doing anything.

It's like the seeds you purchase in a store to grow a plant.

You put it into.

Uh, something and you add some soil and then some water, and then

soon enough something sprouts out.

Well, they're the same way.

If they get wet and stay wet, molds get wet and stay wet for 24 to 4, 8, 8

hours, they have to be wet, not humid, and they start what is called spoilating.

In other words, just like plants make seeds, molds make spores, and these spores

then get spread and carry with them.

A key on a key chain mycotoxins.

And one mold can make several mycotoxins, and one mycotoxin can

come from several different molds.

Now, when they get into the indoor space because you had a leak,

because if something happened, um, et cetera, uh, you start breathing

these things into your body.

Mold.

Your human hair is a hundred micron stick.

Mold spores are two to four

microns that they carry are 0.1 micron.

The.

Two to four microns.

They go to the deepest part of your lungs and your sinuses, and

they cross right through because they're so small into the blood.

And the first place well mycotoxins attack or go to is the brain, and that's where

you get the fatigue, the brain fog cetera.

Then they also spread to the gastrointestinal tract and.

So that's a very basic overview of mycotoxins.

Now, I will tell you that I'm the editor in chief for five medical journals,

so I get a lot of journals to read, submissions to read, and there's a lot of.

Discussion in the scientific and the medical world about climate change and how

it's affecting us because everything from public buildings to schools, to homes, et

cetera, are getting more water intrusion.

Uh, from these, from the climate change and it's affecting

people more and more and more.

The, the scientific American on its on its cover page said the next pandemic

is gonna be molds and mycotoxins.

This being sick building syndrome.

Is that correct?

Sick building syndrome is an old term from the 1980s because people who worked in, in

a building and, and it was contaminated.

By molds and mycotoxins would, would get ill.

So it's not really in use much more, but that's where that term comes from, that

they would feel ill in an indoor place.

It could be home, it could be the workplace, it could be the gym, it could

be the school dormitory, et cetera.

And that's, uh, having watched some of your content, that is

where you sort of utilize the added sort of detect, remove, repair.

Is that correct?

When it comes to treating these issues

correct.

The first step in any of this is to get rid of the mold.

If you try to treat yourself or through a doctor or anything, as long

as you continually expose to, to mold spores and their microtoxins, no one

can get well, it's, it's a toxin.

Uh, toxins are molecules, so mycotoxins are molecules, just

like mercury is a molecule.

If you're continuing exposed to a toxin, you continually

remain ill and chronically ill

of, of course.

Um, I suppose for years Lyme disease has always been seen

as the quote unquote, great.

Great.

Excuse me.

Great masquerader.

But it seems that Lyme, um, excuse me again, mycotoxins, that may

actually be more the culprit in this case than anything else.

So in my mind, this begs a question, has mold seemingly become more prevalent

in recent, in recent years, or we have, we do you think we've just become more

aware of it as a society in general, sort of the advent of the internet and such.

If you open the Bible to Leviticus chapter 14, which was from ancient

times, Moses, that's where it's first mentioned, um, about what to

do about it if it's in your dwelling.

So it's been around us, but we're becoming more aware.

First studies were really.

Published in the 1980s, but there's a publication from the 18 hundreds

where a family got sick in Prague, Czechoslovakia, and the doctor couldn't

figure out why husband, wife, and kids were children were all ill, all presenting

with basically the same symptoms.

He went to their home, peeled back the wallpaper, and was covered with

a mold and it was, and he looked at it and had it analyzed, et cetera.

Uh, with what was available at the time, and it was, so this is from

the 18 hundreds, but really it's since the nine, late 1980s that it's

become evident that it's a, a more and more of a worldwide problem.

Fair enough.

And it appears that these, uh, that mold illness can be identified

as the root cause of many pathologies and disease states.

Do you think it's a bit of a, a reductionist view on over

simplification to say that mold is causing a great deal of chronic

health problems generally, that we.

Uh, struggle with as a society today.

I, I know it's kind of a broad question, but maybe if we were to go over a few

specific diseases or, or pathologies, things like, uh, Alzheimer's and

MS for example, do you think that these diseases have their root cause

causes, or at least some component there of, uh, in with mycotoxins?

Yes.

You mentioned great masquerader, which is what the World Health

Organization calls mycotoxins.

They say it, Mike.

The great ma of the century Mycotoxins.

Why?

Because chronic disorders that are labeled chronic fatigue syndrome,

fibromyalgia, autoimmune disorders, disorders from breast implant illness,

uh, and then the brain illnesses, starting with autism as a child,

multiple sclerosis as a. Middle, and then in the older age, neuro disorders,

what is called.

In a study done at Rutgers University School of Medicine, autism was found,

mycotoxins was found in 70% of children who were diagnosed with autism.

And this was a study where they took 172 children with autism and 60

children, 60 children without autism, more or less at the same age, and none

had mycotoxins in the normal group.

70%. And the other one, another study from Rutger School of Medicine in New Jersey.

And as far as, um, multiple sclerosis goes, they found that the majority

of their patients with multiple sclerosis had indeed microtoxins.

And, uh, they said, this is rather good news.

Possibly get rid of it instead of just saying, you've got multiple

sclerosis, it's a progressive degenerative disorder, et cetera.

Then studies show on Alzheimer's, they did autopsies on patients who

died with auto, with Alzheimer's disease and found that all.

At autopsy, every single one of them had fungi, molds in all parts of the brain,

including the cerebral spinal fluid.

The same study was then repeated for, uh, immuno atrophic lateral sclerosis.

And again, every part of the brain.

Had molds in it, including the cerebral spinal fluid.

As far as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, several studies have now concluded

that five to 10% may be genetic.

All the rest is due to molds and mycotoxins.

Let's take Parkinson's disease.

We know that Parkinson's disease can be caused by.

Exposure, long-term exposure to pesticides, especially

in agricultural areas.

However, now studies are pointing the finger at.

In addition, there could be another cause for Parkinson's, and that

is for molds and microtoxins.

Now, I can tell you in my own practice that I have literally cured.

Uh, and, and all, all I do is based on medical evidence.

So it's not my method.

I didn't invent it, I didn't develop it.

I read about it.

So having said that, I have, I've treated autistic kids for the

last 25 years, and they're normal.

They go back to normal.

The same with ms. They come to, uh, in wheelchairs, et cetera.

Uh, to get up from the bed, to go to the, the bathroom is

extremely exhausting for them.

And then a year later they're playing volleyball.

Um, and Alzheimer are the same.

I mean, spouses and Alzheimer is more common in women than breast cancer.

So it's, there's a lot.

And I've had patients brought to me with Alzheimer because they're kind of

disoriented and although less than a year, eight months, six to eight months later.

They're able to function much better if it's severe, if they

were brought to me way along.

But if we catch it early, it's reversed.

Same with Parkinson's and same with a LS Amer Amyotrophic Collateral Sclerosis.

That's the good news.

Also, we know that autoimmune disorders.

Can occur from mycotoxins because mycotoxin antibodies bind to human

tissue and trigger autoimmunity as in multiple sclerosis.

But that's also true of things such as psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis.

Um.

Lupus, all these chronic disorders.

Thankfully now, and there's more and more being written about and

published in medical journals about this reversal rather than just chronic

treatment with pharmaceutical drugs.

That, and eventually it get just gets progressively worse now.

Yeah, that's fascinating.

Do you think mechanistically, at a mechanistic level, that the mold is

essentially, uh, acting as a sort of mitochondrial toxin and disrupting

energy balance within the cell?

Uh, or is there more to it than that?

Yes.

One of the ways microtoxins do remember it's a molecule, so it's, you know, you

can't even look at it under a microscope.

Um, of course it goes into the cell, whether it's a brain cell, muscle

cell, or any place in the body, and.

Disregulates the mitochondria inside the cell.

Well, the mitochondria is the engine of the cell.

It's the lungs and the motor and what makes it work.

And you make that not work.

The cell dies, and then Microtoxin finds another cell and so forth.

So we know the molecular mechanism and we also know the cellular mechanism.

So this is why people develop gastrointestinal disorders such as.

Uh, chronic gastrointestinal disorders such as Crohn's disease

and ulcerative colitis are known to be produced by mycotoxins and

therefore can re be reversed.

As a matter of fact, in London, there's a group, um, of people,

uh, with Crohn's disease and I.

Not too long ago, and they're trying to find doctors that help them to help

them in, in, in England, in the uk.

That's fascinating.

Again, I'd just like to take a, a quick jump back to towards the autism, uh,

discussion you were just chatting about.

I previously worked in a, a school where the aim was to treat, well, not

treat, but to work with children who had, who had very high levels of autism

or who were very low functioning.

Autistics essentially.

Um, do you think that by potentially treating them for

mold, that a lot of these children would sort of find remission?

Or, or do you think, especially in obviously young children who are

very, have incredibly sort of Yeah.

Who are very nonverbal, that a lot of that developmental, um,

damage has already occurred.

To put it very simply, in order to be get over the mold, whether it's from autism

to Alzheimer and anything in between, it's four basic steps, and the first

one is the first rule of toxicology.

Get the patient away from the toxin or the toxin away patient.

Then the second rule is you have to take an antifungal.

Why?

Because you've gotta kill the small spores that are killing the mycotoxins.

So this is a medication, the generic is known as Itraconazole, and you take it

at for about six months in most cases.

The third is eight specific supplements and vitamins.

Examples of these would be magnesium.

I wouldn't say we're the general population is deficient in magnesium, but

many, although many are, but the, I would say many are insufficient in magnesium.

Remember, our ancestors drank water from wells.

Wells had all kinds of minerals.

The water had all kinds of minerals.

We now drink water from plastic containers, and it's purified.

So that's one example.

Another example is vitamin D three in studies done dur after, right

after the pandemic we went through just a handful of years ago.

They looked at why do some, did some countries have much more

deaths than other countries and they did 22 different countries.

The one common factor in, in those that.

More deaths than any than other countries was deficiency and vitamin

D three, mostly because we spend about 90% of our time indoors nowadays.

Um, another example is for, um, the gut, um, Dr. Simon cutting

at running university and where in did some did studies on.

Uh, probiotics, and these are usually lactobacilli and bifidobacterium

and found that more than 90% of them die in the stomach from the

acidity, the pH in the stomach.

He called it dead bacteria therapy.

And then he looked for what does work?

What does.

To the deeper into the gut and create help the microbiome.

And these were spore forming basi.

So if you're taking a probiotic, the common ones, it's not gonna help you.

Whereas if you take the right kind.

It will help you.

So that's the, the study, several of them that have shown that fact

that was first initiated by Dr.

Cutting.

And then as a, a simple example, things like melatonin.

People think melatonin is for sleep.

Well, studies done at the University of Texas San Antonio branch showed

that melatonin actually helps the brain remove brain cells.

Certain cells in the brain remove toxins.

Whether these toxins be, um, pharmaceutical drugs.

Or they be what we call street drugs or any other kind of toxins, they

help remove them from the brain.

So yes, you may sleep better, but mainly it's given to help clean out toxins.

And these are just a few examples and there's eight of 'em in total.

Last of the four is the.

Your what?

What's your nutrition?

Nutrition plays an essential role in human health.

We all know that.

And the nutrition has to be an anti-inflammatory, low

histamine nutritional diet.

So, and, and.

People can read about that, just about anywhere on how to

apply those in their lives.

So those are the four basic steps.

And those will, and these are all from the medical literature.

They're not developed by Dr. Campbell's uh, uh, secret formula, and it's not

being sold on my website and this week only for 20% discounting those things.

Of

course,

it's from the medical literature and textbooks, et cetera.

That's amazing.

Thank you for that.

Um.

I'll definitely come back to the question about diet shortly 'cause

that's something I'd like to take a, a bit of a deeper dive into.

Um, but if we would, just to take a step back quickly, I'd just like to

touch again on this sort of, this link potentially between mold, lime and sirs.

Um, sirs, obviously for the listener being, um, uh, chronic inflammatory

response syndrome and there's obviously qualitative uming and ing

as to whether it's, uh, a legitimate.

Um, issue in, in the population, but for the sake of this conversation,

we'll just say that it is.

But everybody who seems to sort of contract lime then ends up with mold

and subsequently sirs, um, which I just think is a fascinating, uh, a link.

Does that sort of speak to the fact that people who have got mold, uh, issues.

Who have, who get Lyme, have already got mold issues and that the, the immune

system then becomes compromised and, and allows the mold to become sort of more

prevalent or more ap prevalent problem.

Yes, I can address that first, the most.

A, the studies published in the journal toxin mm-hmm.

In November, uh, of 2022, just two years ago, looked at what is the best test for.

Microtoxins, they looked at the two different methods.

One is urine and the second is serum blood serum.

They said the urine test is very inaccurate because really you should do

it six times a day to really find out.

And then on top of that, it's based on creatinine.

And creatinine differs from what you.

You walked or sat most of the day, uh, whether you're female

or male, and what is your age?

So they said it's not an accurate test at all and it measures only what's

left the body, not what is in the body.

Then they went on to, to look at the antibody testing for mycotoxins

from blood serum, and they concluded it was the most accurate specific

test available for mycotoxins.

The issue here in that blood test, if you have antibodies to mycotoxins

in your body, you'll test positive because of cross reactivity for viruses,

Epstein-Barr, cytomegalovirus, HHSV six, and depending on which laboratory you use.

Your line will turn positive as well.

Although you don't have Epstein Bar, C-M-V-H-H-S-V six or Lyme,

the test will turn positive.

And unfortunately, there's a lot of people out there who look at a, a, a piece of

paper and they say, oh, it shows positive.

Therefore I'm gonna treat this.

Well, either you treat the patient or you treat a PA piece of paper lab test.

Well, Lyme has certain specific symptoms, and then on examination of the

person, it has certain specific signs.

But no, I'm gonna go by what the piece of paper says.

And then chronic antibiotic therapy for months and sometimes often years.

And the patient still is not well.

So I'm gonna give you and your listeners a big secret.

If you have the correct diagnosis and the correct treatment, the patient becomes

cured and is no longer chronically ill.

The other side of that same coin is if you have the wrong diagnosis.

Or the wrong treatment.

The patient continues chronically ill.

I know that's logic, but sometimes it's good to state the logic because it gets

lost in the chatter of the internet.

So insofar as Lyme, there are, there was a big study done in Germany by

all the Lyme doctors and several.

Public groups who suffered from Lyme, they came up with four specific areas.

What are the signs of Lyme?

What is found on examination?

What is the most accurate blood tests and what is the best treatment?

They then sent that to all the heads of the medical specialties in Germany,

cardiology, obstetrics, pediatrics, infectious disease, et cetera.

And when that whole consensus was complete, they sent that to the Austrians

and they asked them to do the same thing.

When both the Austrian and the Germans agreed, then they decided to send it

to another country, the Swiss, who made good chocolate and good watches.

And so the Swiss looked at it, and when these three countries got together

and came up, it was very direct.

As is common among those people, the majority of the tests that are done.

Armon Labs in Germany and et cetera are what they called unacceptable tests, and

they have lists of the unacceptable tests.

The only one that was acceptable for Europe and the United States is

Immuno Sciences laboratory in Los Angeles, and it's a patented test and

cost a lot less than all the others.

The second is the treatment.

Even when it's neuro osis, meaning it's affected the brain, the

maximum length of treatment is three weeks, not more than that.

And they brought forth that.

There's many studies that looked at long-term antibiotic treatment, and the

results of these, both from European studies and studies in the United

States showed there's no benefit.

From any prolonged, and what you should do is look for another cause.

Now, I will tell you statistically, in 2023 in the United States, 5 million

Lyme tests were ordered, and there's only about 300,000 people who really

have Lyme per year who really get bitten.

From biotech, the Lyme tick and, and have these problems.

So the,

the conclusion of these studies is that there's a lot of misinformation being

spread about Lyme and its treatment.

And really if your patient is not well after three weeks,

look for some other cause.

Now, among my publications, one study that I published was.

Eight or 10 years ago was comparing Lyme to mycotoxins because the

symptoms are similar if you suffer from molds and mycotoxins or if

you, or you suffer from Lyme.

But how do you differentiate the two?

How does someone in healthcare decide it's probably this or it's probably that, and

so I'm gonna do this test or that test.

So the first step is make sure you do the right test.

The right test for Lyme is immuno sciences.

The right test for mycotoxins is the antibody test.

So do the right test, and that helps anyone with then the treatment.

Um, the British Journal of Medicine has a beautiful chart on the treatment for Lyme.

What.

How long it is, if it's affected, your joints, your brain, other parts

of your body, which antibiotics, and if you're allergic to this

one, this is the alternative.

It's a wonderful chart by the British Journal of Medicine.

So essentially, chronic Lyme is a bit of a misnomer.

Is that correct in your view?

That it's not really an issue?

No.

You know, simply put, I've treated Lyme.

Look at the color of my hair.

I've been treated ly for 30 some odd years.

It's not a difficult treatment, and the patient gets well as a, as a point.

In fact, I had a, a patient come to, brought to me by mom and

dad, and she was 21 years old.

She was bitten by a tick when she was 16.

She didn't feel good, and they took her to a well-known Lyme guru.

In New York and treated her first with oral antibiotics for six months

and then intravenous antibiotics because the test came back positive.

Well, yes.

Once you have Lyme, your test will be positive according to studies

for the next two to five years.

Although you're healed.

So after and then she started, she started, when she turned, uh,

19 or 18, she started university.

She had to stop after three months because she was too fatigued.

She couldn't think clearly.

She had brain fog, joint aches and pains, gastrointestinal issues, um, et cetera.

So finally they brought her to me.

I did the mycotoxin antibody blood, te blood serum test, and she lit up

like a Christmas tree because this is the season of course, and of course,

quit the Lyme treated her for that.

A month later, one month after so many years, she started feeling

better and she came, mom and dad and the daughter came to see me.

After two months she was feeling so much better.

They now call me Dr. House.

Fair enough, why not?

Um, I'd love to sort of, with that being said, maybe jump more into

your myTax, uh, my myTax test.

But beforehand, maybe you could just give us a quick primer on antibody, isotope,

isotopes, IgG, IgG, iga, iga, et cetera.

Just so that we've got some context for the test.

Um, being an immunologist, you're well suited for this.

What you measure for mycotoxins in particular is

the IgE and the IgG response.

Now let me clarify here.

In medicine in microbiology, we have four pathogens, bacteria, viruses,

pathogenic fungi and parasites.

Pathogenic fungi can be those that grow in between your toes, um, and

some people orient on your toenails.

Or those that you breathe in and inhale and cause what is called pulmonary ass.

Those are all living organisms, all four viruses, et cetera.

They're all living organisms and have cell membrane, cell walls,

toxins, mycotoxins are not alive.

They don't have cell walls.

They don't have anything such as that.

In microbiology, if you have an IgG antibody, it means that sometime in

the past, maybe in your childhood or later, you had that disorder by that

virus or that bacteria, whatever.

In toxicology, it means currently you, your immune system is

reacting to these mycotoxins, and so it indicates a toxic reaction.

To mycotoxins when a person has IgG antibodies, IGA antibodies are

not measured or not helpful because they're only for mucus membranes.

An IGM is the first initial, um, antibody that's produced by the immune system, and

usually people don't come and say, I think I'm sick for mold the first week or two.

IGM fades away after about three weeks, and it's replaced by IgG, so the other

antibody, IgE indicates two things.

Current exposure, because IgE antibodies are made rapidly in a day.

And the second one, it stim these antibodies, IgE antibodies to mycotoxin

stimulate a certain cell in your immune system known as a mast cell.

And this mast cell is kind of like the cell that tells the immune

system what to do cause inflammation.

Stop inflammation, do this, do that.

So if you have mast cells, and where do mast cells live?

On the body.

In the body and the brain, the gut, in the respiratory tree, and

in the genital urinary system, as well as just under the skin.

So typically these patients with IgE antibodies have skin problems,

eczema, psoriasis, et cetera.

If it's in the genitor, if it's affected the genital urinary system,

they'll complain of what is called interstitial cystitis, which is basically

feels like you have a constant, your bladder infection in the gut, they

cause sibo, um, and all, all the gut inflammatory disorders, irritable

bowel syndrome, et cetera, et cetera.

And of course they can cause in the lungs.

Chronic cough, tightness of the chest, et cetera.

Now in the respiratory part of the sinuses where we breathe things through our nose.

Dr. Al, chairman of the Department of Ear, nose and throat surgery at

the Mayo Clinic had 210 patients with chronic sinus problems.

He took 'em to the operating room, removed all the stuff, cleaned out

their sinuses, and sent the material to the laboratory to be identified

as what is the most common cause?

What virus, what bacteria, what?

What is causing these 210 people to have chronic, chronic, year

after year sinus problems?

The result came back and it was published as 96% was fungi, in other words, molds.

And he ally that the term chronic sinus be changed to chronic fungal sinusitis.

So that's how all these affect.

Our systems and cause chronic disorders.

Fair enough.

And then obviously the My Myco test that you're, uh, suggesting treats these

specific, uh, excuse me, doesn't treat, but looks these specific antibodies

to these, uh, to those 20 forms of mold you initially talked about.

Is that correct?

Correct.

What, what?

The testing on an antibody test for mycotoxins shows which of 14 you have.

How much of each you have, so it's a what we call a quantitative.

It gives you the quantity.

You have this much of this metic, of this mycotoxin this, this much of this

one, this much of this one, et cetera, which helps you know what is going on

with this patient and therefore you.

It helps the physician know how long, what to treat, et cetera.

And again, it's those four points that I, we discussed earlier,

of course.

Yeah, no, that's, that's a great segue into, uh, just curtailing

back into treatment slightly.

I'd like to get your opinion on why the, uh, the traditional,

well, up until now, the traditional views on treating mold, uh.

Say the, the Neil Nathan and the Dr. Shoemaker protocols

have just been so ineffective.

Obviously, they just, for the most part, seem to focus on binders.

Do you think binders are in anywhere effective in treating mold, or is

it really the use, like utilizing a, a hammer to fix a watch?

There's three studies on the use of binders for mycotoxins in humans.

And all three say they don't work and they don't remove mycotoxins.

And on top of that, they remove vitamins and what vital.

Micro and macronutrients all three.

There are no studies that show that they should be used in humans.

There are studies showing that they work in sheep, uh, piglets, fryer, chickens.

Rabbits, rats, mice, and other animals.

But I'm not a veterinarian.

I'm a medical doctor and therefore I don't treat animals.

The shoemaker testing, there's no evidence that the majority, the, the.

Almost all the tests in the Shoemaker diagnostic process don't have any

basis either in medicine or in science.

They're, and they have no studies showing anything about them as well as

the treatment, which consists mainly of, there's several, and then of

course there's all kinds of 20 or 30 supplements that you should be taking.

40 to 45 emails a day, 365 days of the year from people who say, I've been

following the Shoemaker, Neil Nathan Protocol for six months, one year,

two years, three years, four years.

I've spent thousands and thousands or tens of thousands,

and I'm still chronically ill.

Can you please help me?

Uh, that's, yeah.

That, that does disappoint to the fact that after a while, individuals, well,

I suppose doctors, it's not really the job of the, the patient as it should just

really start looking outside of the box.

Um, I firmly believe that people are able to start getting

well in months, not years.

I would just like to go back again just to touch on diet specifically.

Um, I know you mentioned, uh, removing histamines from the diet can be.

Effecti, do you think there are any, there's any sort of signs or in your

viewpoint any reason why people should, perhaps also who are struggling with

MAL should also potentially look at removing other components from a diet

such as FODMAPs or carbohydrates?

Um.

If the instance is right, so for example, if the mold is presenting

potentially as, as IVS or if there's a mitochondrial issue, obviously these,

um, diets when sort of can be tailored to support these various conditions.

Um, reducing carbohydrates can obviously help to lower glucose, enabled ox

status, stress, that sort of thing.

Do you feel that there's any real place for sort of tweaking a diet or is it

not gonna move the mini needle much

as far as those.

Issues are concerned.

When I, um, first started treating this about 35 years ago, there were

some very popular diets back then.

One was, do a diet according to your, uh, blood type, whether you're

A or B, or O, et cetera, et cetera.

So that was popular for a while.

Eventually, that faded away.

Then there was another diet.

And then another diet.

And then another diet.

So these come and go.

I can't base my, my, what do people do when they come to see a doctor?

A physician.

They put something that's their most, one of their most precious things,

their health into that person's hand.

I cannot take risks by reading something on the internet and then applying it.

Without having medical and scientific evidence that it actually works

in more than that one person or those three or four people.

I need to see that it helps really.

And how, what is the mechanism?

How did this really help?

Because everything is available on the internet, but there's a lot of it that

has no medical or scientific basis for it.

For example, there's actually a website that says.

Climate change proves the earth is flat.

So there you have it.

You know, I, and again, uh, why do people turn to me after

they've tried everything else?

I've never seen a patient for the first time say, I think I have a mole problem.

Can you please help me?

They come to me after they've seen 10, 15, 20, 25.

Healthcare people, et cetera, and they've tried this and that

and the other and so forth.

They've tried herbal treatments, supplements for this, this kind of diet.

They've tried everything.

I had one person come see me who had shark cartilage enemas.

Um, you know, they do everything out of desperation to feel better.

And, and, uh, then they, they spend huge sums of money on these things.

And then they eventually.

End up in front of me.

So I prefer to use something that has shown without any doubt, a that it

works because it's been, it's even now in chapters in medical books.

That makes perfect sense.

Dr. Campbell, if it's okay, I'd like to ask you some, uh, some quick rapid fire

questions that are maybe off the cuff.

I think the first one I'd like to start with is about citric acid.

Uh, I've recently been looking at a sort of manufacturing process, and it seems

that it's been synthetically, uh, form, uh, created utilizing a fermentation

process specifically in the TCA cycle and using aspergillus, niga, uh, and then a

benign substrate, something like sucrose.

Obviously the final product is filtered and, and then cleaned,

but do you think that there's any.

Potential issue with consuming something like that, or do you think there is in

general any potential issue with consuming foods with mold on them in low levels?

Of course,

I have not read any studies that go such things, for example, in as far as molds

in foods, what 39 countries have signed.

Is an agreement, including, well including the uk uh, the eu, I mean

all these countries, is how much mycotoxin can we have in, in food?

For example, PE milk, 91% contains anywhere from one to four microtoxins,

but these are in parts per billion.

Which is easily excreted in urine by the body.

So for example, um, I asked the scientist, I'm a visual, I don't know

what it means to have parts per billion.

He said, take a thousand soccer fields, cover each field with ping pong

bowls and remove one ping pong bowl.

And that's.

Well, the, the body deals easily with it.

So in foods there's no real issue.

There are several studies that looked at foods and how much would

you have to eat to have toxicity?

It turns out that you would have to eat 14 pounds of rancid oatmeal at one sitting.

I don't know if I could eat a pound of anything at one

sitting, but that's for others.

Or 20 slices of rancid bread at one sitting in order for you

to be affected and not put out.

Several studies, including some that I've published with other authors,

other doctors have shown that the gut actually helps you get rid of toxins.

Think about it, how many people bite their nails?

How many people bite the tip of their pen sometimes, or the tip of their glasses?

There is bacteria.

There's things there on, on everything.

How many of us are exposed?

To chemicals because we clean our clothes with chemicals, we wash them with

chemicals, and we put 'em next to the skin, the largest organ of the body, and

those chemicals may be gone, but they may be a little bit of remnant on them.

Also, how do we clean our kitchens?

Oh, how do we wash our hands?

What do we put upon our hair to shampoo our hair?

If you've read of shampoo bottles, there's 20 chemicals you can't pronounce.

Well, we're exposed constantly, but our body gets rid of those small,

tiny amounts, so it's not an issue.

For example, if you drink, um, Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola, all these fizzy, uh, sweet

drinks, some of the sweeteners, et cetera, are made using a derivative of a mole.

But we don't get sick from that.

We do get sick because these drinks contain.

Chemical preservatives, chemical sweeteners, chemical coloring, it's

chemical flavorings, et cetera.

So it's not a good idea to have that as part of your diet, but we, we do ingest

almost always, either some mold remnants, but again, it's parts per billion.

It's not enough to affect our health.

Yeah, of course.

So the expense of mold free coffee I've been buying is probably not necess,

necessitated just is what you're saying?

Yeah.

But also the problem with binder is that all three studies that say they

don't work, they also say they're they.

They make it bad for you to take because you bind other things that you need.

Yeah, of course.

Just with regards to binders, do you think they have any place in medicine,

obviously, uh, when somebody has potentially a high toxic load from,

from another source, your PFASs, your forever chemicals or, or a heavy

metal, um, do you think they have a place there potentially in helping

to rid the body of these substances?

Or again, are they sort of fairly ineffective?

What helps.

Uh, in, in toxicology, what helps the body rid itself of toxins is number

one, stop taking the toxin, obviously.

But aside from that, the, your nutritional component will help

anti-inflammatory, low histamine, but also what will help is the eight specific

nutraceuticals supplement vitamins.

Now, a study came out a year ago, November, 2023.

Showing that out of the 60 most popular supplements that people

buy online, they took those 60 to a laboratory and looked at what's on

the label and what's in the bottle.

11% had in the bottle what it was, what was on the label.

40% had nothing in the bottle that was on the label.

So you.

Cautious and careful.

And of course I've researched this and I know which laboratories

produce which vitamins and supplements that you should take.

So if, and, and, you know, I'm I'm Asley reachable, uh, www Andrew Campbell md.com.

You know, I can send a list to anyone who wants it.

And that's why you've gotta be careful in what you even take when you go

to a, a shop somewhere and decide you want to take some vitamin C.

Yeah, of course.

We'll, we'll have to chat a bit more about that or the, or the, and

I'll, I'll have to fill you in about vitality, uh, the company we have here.

Moving on from that, I know that you've, I, I've watched a number of

your presentations recently actually.

This is a pretty a, a pretty decent tack on, and, um, I've noted that you've.

Uh, said that a lot of people who have a gliotoxin present, present

should be careful of, uh, taking compounds like NAC or glutathione.

Would you just mind elaborating on why that is?

Not really, because again, I need to know, um, I usually wanna know three

things, as much information as I can get of a particular person in a patient.

The second thing is.

I want the information and where can I obtain it?

Is it from a reputable source or is it by a company?

I'll give you for example, there's a lot of companies that push air filters.

This air filter cleans your home and sucks out everything that's bad, okay?

And I get solicitations from them all the time saying, would you please allow

us to put our product on your website?

Then I always say to them, send me your information.

Do you have any proof?

I never get any.

So, um, insofar as doing anything in those areas, I need the evidence that it really

is an issue and what can be done about that issue for that particular person.

'cause everyone's unique and different, every, every immune

system is u unique and different.

Even in twins, they're different.

So you have to know very thoroughly each individual and what is their background?

What is their history?

What's their age?

What's their diet like?

What illnesses did they have?

Were they born by natural birth or were there cesarean?

Because that makes a huge difference.

All these things, you've gotta obtain this information to help people.

Fair enough.

Final question, Dr. Campbell.

I just want to be sort of cognizant of your time.

Um, I suppose just to just wrap it up, uh, quite nicely, but if you

were to just offer our listeners just three to five sort of simple

tips that they could, uh, utilize to start maybe improving their health.

Maybe they have been struggling with these sort of unexplained symptoms for

a while and they're just trying to sort of get to the root of their issues.

Where would you.

Point people to, in terms of a starting point, um, aside from obviously maybe,

uh, getting a aox uh, test done,

what would be the starting point for something someone affected by these

chronic disease from molds and mycotoxins?

Yes,

the starting point is a first rule of toxicology.

Get the patient away from the toxin or the toxin away from the patient.

Now, that's easier to say, but where does a person look?

How do they know what's going?

When a person smells a musty odor, they go somewhere and they, it's a musty odor.

The musty odor is actually volatile organic compounds made by molds.

So when you have to, you know, today's houses and apartments don't have

one bathroom, they may have several.

Or at least one or two people have washers and dryers in their

house, not outside somewhere.

So all those things are potential leaks.

Some people have refrigerator that spit cold water and ice.

Out.

Well that has to be tied to a source of water.

And the water leak doesn't have to be obvious.

So there's a puddle of water on your floor somewhere.

It can be a drop an hour behind the washing machine, behind the whatever.

So you've gotta be a Sherlock Homes when you're looking for it in your

home, but it's also frequently found in schools and where people work.

If people go to a gym, et cetera.

So it's, it's, it's, um, there's a lot of places to look for.

I'll give you an example.

I had a lady come see me.

She's a widow, retired teacher, and she was very ill, and it was

molds and like toxins treated her.

She was fine, didn't hear back from her.

And then I hear from her and she says, I'm having the same thing.

I said, well.

Is it some leak in your home?

She says, no, I already had it.

Had a company come out and check everything and everything's fine.

I, I said, well, what about places that you go?

She says, Dr. Campbell, it's the pandemic.

I don't go anywhere.

I said, okay, let's start looking at what you do every day.

So we, we went through it, well, three days a week.

She volunteered at the public library during lunch so that people could

take their lunch hour and she would replace them during that one hour.

I said, is there any mold in your, in that public library?

She said, well, I don't know.

I said, well, take.

Take photographs of corners and ceiling tiles and places.

She took the photographs, sent 'em to me.

Yeah, there was mold there, so it doesn't have to be where you live.

It can be someplace where you go to on a regular basis, such as the public

library and in this lady's account.

No, I, I think it pays to be cognizant of your surroundings, especially when

we're sort of, as you pointed out earlier, we spend 90, 95% of our time indoors.

Um, it's, it's probably, uh, the best piece of advice, uh, anyone could give.

Anyone who does believe that they may be struggling with these sorts of issues.

Dr. Campbell.

Thank you for your time.

Um, where can people find you?

Where can we point people to, to learn more about you, more

about your work and Okay.

Potentially, uh, find a test.

Um, I, by the way, it's not my test.

I'm their medical, the, the laboratory's medical advisor.

I don't own it.

Um, but there's two places.

One is if you go to my website, www andrew md com.

And you go to click on media at the top.

I've got 60 videos that I've done on all aspects of chronic diseases, whether

it's Lyme, molds, mycotoxins, breast implant illness, autoimmune disorders.

Mast cell activation disorders, et cetera, et cetera.

So people can, and every those slides come at the bottom of each slide with the

reference from what study it comes from.

So it's never my opinion because in medical school I was taught in God, we

trust everyone else has to show data.

So that's one site, and all these are on YouTube, all 70 of 'em.

Um, but the easiest way to reach it is by going to that.

If you wanna write me, um, send me an email, then I'm at Immune Doctor

one word immune doctor@gmail.com.

That's perfect, and I can attest to the quality of your videos.

Um, they are truly amazing.

And I'm not just saying that to but you up, I promise the information

that you provide there is definitely worth watching for, for anyone who

is looking for a starting point, and we'll obviously be sure to, to

link everything in the show notes.

Um, Dr. Campbell, thank you so much for your time.

Thank you for having me.

This has truly been enlightening.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.