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Finally, you are back in

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my studio here and we've all been

looking forward to this revisit.

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I really good for it.

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And this is big adventures

and Kelsey is back

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with the story

that we've been waiting for.

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And I'm Brian

and welcome to Big adventures to you guys.

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And I think everybody that listened

to that first interview certainly

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has been waiting for the second one.

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So thanks for being here, and I'm

really excited about asking questions.

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So I listened to your interview

this morning from our first interview,

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and I was really impressed with how much

we covered as far as the details.

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And so much information.

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So, listeners

that haven't listened to the first one,

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do so and,

and then we'll have all this stuff tie in

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to the first one,

because we've got the rest of the story.

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But, why don't we start out with,

we kind of left it off.

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You were in training and kind of told us

about what the follow through training

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you'd be doing before the race,

and then we'll go into the race.

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Yeah.

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So I think when we talked,

I hadn't received the boat yet.

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We so we bought the boat

from a guy in the Netherlands.

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His name was Ralph.

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And Ralph actually had the most ocean

rowing crossings, mostly on the Atlantic,

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of any person alive.

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So we were like, okay, this could be an

this is probably going to be an okay boat.

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This is our guy.

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This is our guy. It's great.

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And we had Kristen, who was one of my

teammates, go out and see the boat,

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really quick in the Netherlands

before we shipped in, you know,

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and it arrived in the States,

and I picked it up

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from LA,

and I picked it up in a in a rainstorm.

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It was like a torrential, like rainstorm

that was happening in LA

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as I was driving this boat

home, back to Monterey.

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Well, and that that the whole Long

Beach picking,

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I've actually brought boats

in from New Zealand and stuff.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So it's kind of a deal.

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It's, Yeah, there's a little scary.

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There's a whole past there, but so I,

I picked up this boat from from L.A.

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and I'm pouring

rain, and me and Chris are there,

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and we are inspecting the boat,

getting it ready

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for shipping or getting it ready to

to drive back to Monterey.

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And we open up the hatches.

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The hatches are just full of water

and we're like.

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Oh, from the shipping container.

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From all the rain.

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And we like, oh, that's not supposed

to be happening right now.

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Because it wants to

be watertight. So we're like

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initially pretty

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concerned and Chris has this little hand

bilge pump.

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She's building the the hatches out,

and I'm trying to wire the,

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the trailer lights

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because the trailer lights are European,

not, not us, because I.

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Came across with a trailer.

For the trailer.

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Yeah, because you can't really ship it

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without the trailer

unless it's in the cradle.

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So we got the trailer.

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And I'm trying to wire in in the pouring

rain, so I'm just trying

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to, like, crimp and, use my little tiny

BIC lighter that I had.

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This is all I had at that moment

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to try to, like, heat shrink

the the crimps on in the pouring rain.

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And Chris is like building out the boat.

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And that was our first introduction

to our boat

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that Ralph had promised

us was crossing ready.

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And then we get it back to Monterey,

and I start going through the boat,

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and I start realizing more and more things

about this boat is not crossing.

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Ready?

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And oh yeah, he sold his boat.

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That in the end it turned out great

because I learned so much about this boat.

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But I essentially had to rebuild the boat

in three months.

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We had to read Eve.

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So he was.

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He's not our. Friend.

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He's, He's, he's like a,

like an ocean chain smoking cowboy.

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And sometimes you can't

always trust those guys.

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They scam artists

to maybe a little sprinkling of that.

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Well, so he has a lot of boats,

and just because he's done

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a lot of ocean tours

doesn't mean he loves his bones.

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So anyway.

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But it turned out to be a huge, benefit

in the show because I learned a lot.

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I had to rebuild the solar.

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I found holes in the boat

that I didn't that weren't

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supposed to be there in, like,

watertight areas.

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I had to redo all the hatches

because that's how the water got in.

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What did I have to do?

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I had to replace the eye system,

which is our navigation system.

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So I learned a lot very quickly.

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When you have no chance of doing something

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you want to do without doing these things,

but you learn fast.

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Says is the guide of all it. Right.

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So I essentially just my entire full time

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job from December to April

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was rebuild the boat and make it work.

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And there's pictures of me

just with the front deck

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or the front,

bulkhead of one of the cabins.

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And I found all these drill holes in there

that he had just cocked.

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And that's not how you

fix a watertight bulkhead.

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And I'm just sitting there like,

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staring at these these,

through holes that he had drilled.

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And I was like, why? Why are they here?

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But so I spent months rebuilding the boat.

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And where did you do that? Monterey.

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So we. Do.

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You had a facility to work in a backyard

that cared.

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So, Yeah, we we all moved to Monterey

to train together.

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So my teammates were still working

their jobs, but I just said, screw it.

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And I quit all work,

and I just made boat my job.

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That's good.

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And I fix the boat.

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I got to know it really, really well.

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With the help of a good friend who lives

out there, who was a marine mechanic.

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And fiberglass guy.

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Yeah, I learned a lot about fiberglass.

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I learned a lot about wiring.

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I learned a lot about,

marine electronics.

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And. Cool.

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If we fix the boat.

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We did a lot of our training out there,

and we made it happen, but it was by

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the skin of our teeth

that we got the boat ready in time.

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But, yeah, by that time, I had touched.

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Part of the story right.

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There and touched every part of the boat.

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So at least I knew

every single part of that boat.

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And it came in handy because there's

things that broke on the ocean as things

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do, and I knew exactly how to handle it

because I'd already rebuilt everything.

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I had also had

to rebuild the water maker. So.

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No matter what broke, it was fine.

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And, and, you know, earlier

in our interview, we talked about,

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demand builds.

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Did it have a bilge pump?

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Oh, yeah, it has bilge. We had this stuff.

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Yeah, in theory. Theory.

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I mean, we had to replace most of it,

but yeah, the water maker was there.

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I had to rebuild it.

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Things were there in theory, and then

I had to rebuild a lot of it, to make it.

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Yeah. Actual fun, actually functional.

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But our boat did amazing

for the actual crossing.

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By the time it was ready to go.

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Our boat really was solid rock

solid rock solid.

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So I plugged all those holes that I found.

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Yeah, I would come in to play.

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Have you had any

contact with this guy? Said

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I, I watch his ongoings, you know, we

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we tried to talk to him initially about,

like, hey, what's all this stuff?

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And, it was not a helpful situation

to to really ask him.

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There was nothing we could do.

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Yeah. So at. That point.

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He wasn't going to be real helpful

with it. No.

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And he just he just did a, Indian Ocean

crossing that I watched and I think,

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I know, pick up more of his personality

by watching some of his own rows of, like,

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a lot of it's just screw it,

see what happens type of preparation.

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Very cowboy is very car work.

So I think I get it.

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I don't hold any animosity.

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I think that's just the

way he that's. How he rolls.

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So it's okay.

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I wish him well out there.

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Ralph. That's good. Good spirit of you.

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Okay.

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And so I want to hear about the training

when you guys all get the boat ready.

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And then you have your team together

and you wet the boat the first time.

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So we were doing a lot of our training out

in Monterey Bay.

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Monterey, near Santa Cruz.

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We're running up and down the coast a lot.

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It was a really special place to train

because of the.

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The wildlife was amazing.

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We saw orcas, we saw sea lions.

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We saw dolphins, whales, almost every row.

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We tried to put ourselves in some

tough weather, but a lot of the time

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you're just monotonously

rowing back and forth across the bay,

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which is like about a 50 mile,

to get to Santa Cruz and back.

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You're just making laps around

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Monterey Bay, because in the wintertime,

it's really hard.

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If you leave the Bay

area of Monterey to Santa Cruz, good luck.

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You're going to end up in LA.

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There's no coming back.

Yeah it's. Screaming.

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So yeah you're going to get pushed south

pretty hard.

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So coming back

home is not a real possibility.

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So there's a lot of nights of just staying

up all night staring at each other,

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just rowing back and forth

through Monterey and, Santa Cruz.

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No, but that's all right.

It was already got it.

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Got your team tuned up and. Yeah.

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How much of that did you do? We.

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So the race requires 120 hours of on water

rowing time.

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Half of that has to be at night.

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We did way more than that.

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I can't remember the exact amount,

but we did.

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Because you see the advantage

of that sort of.

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Well, the more time you do it,

the more time you come

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get more comfortable

you are, the less seasick.

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Hopefully you'll be you

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because your body gets used to it,

because seasickness is a huge thing.

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So we actually didn't get too sick.

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I mean, everyone was a little seasick

then with the beginning of the race, but

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we actually don't get too sick

because we spent so much time

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with our boat and so much time

on the water, you know? Good.

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Because a lot of teams, you know,

they live apart from each other

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or they live far away

and they have to travel to training.

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We just all decided to move to Monterey.

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So the the put in for training

was ten minutes from our house.

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Awesome. Yeah.

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No doubt the sounds smart all the way.

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Yeah, it worked out for us.

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And and a couple of the girls

were from Monterey or.

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No, no, none of us.

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They're all Oregon bend or Oregon Bend.

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Okay.

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And hold you. And then me.

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And so then you're getting closer

and closer to the race

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and probably a lot more chatter,

media coverage, a lot

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a lot of energy going into the race

all about.

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Yeah.

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The week before

the race is always really cool

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because all the the European

and international teams come

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and then they put

they put you in this little lake corral

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in the parking

lot of the Marina in Monterey,

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and then everyone gets to come

and look at you,

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you know, you're the spectacle there

and your boats are on display.

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And then you go through

a week of kind of inspection and training

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to make sure

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the race essentially puts you

through the ringer

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to make sure that they're comfortable

with you doing this.

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Because obviously they don't want to

just send you out here.

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There's a pretty solid

governing body that's overseeing this.

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Yeah, they they have a really

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good team to make sure that you're ready

to do something like this.

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Cool.

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But you're,

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you know, you're in this little paddock,

they they lock the gate behind you.

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No one can come in.

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They just stay in.

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Like F1 paddock or whatever.

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It's just like a chain link

fence and everyone's standing outside

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watching you inside the gate

as you're doing your stuff.

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And so you're there

for over a week of doing that.

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It it's

and this is leading right up to the start.

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And then they just line you up and they

push you off and say good luck out there.

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That is so awesome.

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And then

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let's talk about the actual start.

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So everybody's got their boats ready.

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Everybody's got their boats in the water.

249

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Everything's loaded. The boats are.

250

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In what

251

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proximity to each other at the start

would be one question I've got.

252

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Well,

we're all lined up next to each other,

253

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and then they have,

just a staggered start.

254

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So they did like a couple,

maybe two minutes in between each boat

255

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when they start.

256

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And so we.

257

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So it's not like just falls

out of the starting gate. No.

258

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Because they, they subtract the like they,

they do it down.

259

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Yeah.

260

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Yeah. They so they stagger start.

261

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So it's not like a panicked thing.

262

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But we were actually launching

in essentially a storm

263

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because the thing about the race,

which is,

264

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you know, always on their time

schedule, is

265

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they had a launch date

and that was that's what we got to do.

266

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And we essentially launched

in like a storm.

267

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So we were rowing into,

268

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like ten meter waves. Wow.

269

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From the beginning.

270

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And for my race, a lot of us

271

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got our butts kicked that first week.

272

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There were capsizes,

there were knockdowns.

273

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People were in the water

a lot. Did you get knocked down?

274

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We capsize for sure.

275

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Yeah, we were in some really big stuff.

276

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You were you secure. Yeah.

277

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So you're always tethered to the boat

and I was actually in the cabin.

278

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Chris and Jen were on the deck

and we capsized.

279

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And the boat's designed herself. Right.

280

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So it self righted pretty quickly.

281

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But I was in the cabin like sitting down,

like putting Band-Aids on my blisters.

282

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And I just like all of a sudden

283

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I'm just on the ceiling, and

then all of the stuff is on top of you,

284

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and they tell you

that you need the hamster wheel to,

285

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like, help the boat

kind of get itself back over.

286

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So you're, like, trying to crawl

through your stuff, to get the boat

287

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kind of to flip back over

because the, the air, the cabins

288

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on the top of the boat create,

an instability.

289

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Yeah.

290

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They create an instability

and it will go over sometimes.

291

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Need a little help.

292

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Yeah.

293

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So we got we got it back over

and the capsize itself went pretty okay.

294

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But we lost some stuff in the capsize.

295

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I lost my shoes.

296

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So within the first four days,

I had no shoes.

297

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I didn't bring any bag of shoes.

298

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I really didn't think about.

299

00:14:12,218 --> 00:14:13,252

I brought a lot of backups.

300

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I didn't bring backup shoes

because I didn't think

301

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I would lose my shoes

because I wasn't walking.

302

00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:18,490

Now you got something?

303

00:14:19,458 --> 00:14:21,627

But we also lost our foot kills.

304

00:14:21,627 --> 00:14:24,897

It hurt, but your feet just kind of

get used to it, I guess.

305

00:14:25,364 --> 00:14:29,435

But we also lost

our one of our deck keepers, which is a,

306

00:14:29,468 --> 00:14:33,806

a a beacon that alerts to, Coast Guard.

307

00:14:33,806 --> 00:14:38,744

The coast Guard that your boat's sinking,

and it came out of its cradle and sank.

308

00:14:38,744 --> 00:14:43,482

And we called the race, and

they were like, oh, thank God you got off.

309

00:14:43,816 --> 00:14:47,253

And, we let them know was okay,

but what I felt bad about is

310

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I forgot that I had, linked my

311

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that prove one to the race,

but also to my parents.

312

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And I didn't call them,

so they spent a whole day

313

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thinking I was dead.

314

00:15:00,466 --> 00:15:02,968

I called my dad the next day

because the next day was Father's Day,

315

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and he was like.

316

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Oh, he's sobbing.

317

00:15:06,272 --> 00:15:07,740

And so that's. Terrible.

318

00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:09,475

It was terrible.

I felt really bad about that.

319

00:15:09,475 --> 00:15:10,209

He should. Still.

320

00:15:10,209 --> 00:15:11,043

Feel I do.

321

00:15:11,043 --> 00:15:13,212

I, I brought it up on Father's Day this.

322

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Year and he started crying.

323

00:15:14,313 --> 00:15:16,782

And, you know,

he was like, yeah, that's pretty lame.

324

00:15:19,285 --> 00:15:22,721

And so, how long

were you in that kind of rough weather?

325

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The first week or the first few days or.

326

00:15:26,458 --> 00:15:30,863

No, at least the first week, probably

the first ten days were really big.

327

00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,999

We had some really interesting weather

for our race.

328

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It was big, and it was not very helpful

most of the time.

329

00:15:38,804 --> 00:15:42,541

So our our race was a big slog

and it was a big fight

330

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a lot of the time for all the,

331

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all the boats,

332

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this, this race that just happened

this year, they had amazing weather

333

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and they were so fast

and none of them capsized.

334

00:15:51,216 --> 00:15:54,119

And I was like, how does this happen?

335

00:15:54,119 --> 00:15:57,122

But yeah, our race,

the weather that year was huge.

336

00:15:57,389 --> 00:15:57,690

Yeah.

337

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So but,

equal territory for everybody. Surf.

338

00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:02,127

But it was good. Yeah, yeah.

339

00:16:02,127 --> 00:16:06,699

There were nights that it felt like you

were running Kermit backwards all night.

340

00:16:06,865 --> 00:16:07,566

Oh, my.

341

00:16:07,566 --> 00:16:09,068

Yeah, it was, it was.

342

00:16:09,068 --> 00:16:12,604

And you can't see these waves, so

you're just rowing into these huge waves.

343

00:16:12,604 --> 00:16:13,806

You can hear him, but you can't see him.

344

00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:16,141

And you're just, like,

trying to keep your angle into him

345

00:16:16,141 --> 00:16:18,544

because they come generally

from the same direction.

346

00:16:18,544 --> 00:16:19,178

Right.

347

00:16:19,178 --> 00:16:22,715

So you're just trying to keep your bow

into them so you don't capsize at night

348

00:16:22,715 --> 00:16:24,483

because that's

the more traumatic experience.

349

00:16:24,483 --> 00:16:27,553

You're

just basically playing the waves at night.

350

00:16:27,553 --> 00:16:30,556

Probably not so much making progress.

351

00:16:30,956 --> 00:16:31,757

It depends.

352

00:16:31,757 --> 00:16:36,061

That's what we did one night because,

it was out of necessity,

353

00:16:36,795 --> 00:16:38,731

not necessarily out of strategy.

354

00:16:38,731 --> 00:16:42,534

It was just like, I don't really feel like

capsizing is going to go well at night

355

00:16:42,701 --> 00:16:43,869

with how big everything is.

356

00:16:43,869 --> 00:16:47,272

So we just turned it into the waves

and rowed against it till we could see

357

00:16:47,873 --> 00:16:48,540

it's big day.

358

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Pretty wild stuff now.

359

00:16:51,043 --> 00:16:56,515

I remember,

this is getting ahead of myself,

360

00:16:56,515 --> 00:16:59,518

but I remember we talked about,

361

00:16:59,618 --> 00:17:03,455

within your training,

the mental element and the mental health.

362

00:17:03,455 --> 00:17:05,624

And so you come out of the blocks

like that.

363

00:17:05,624 --> 00:17:10,295

Did you feel like your training helped

all of you go, okay, here we are.

364

00:17:10,295 --> 00:17:13,165

There's the real world.

We've jumped over.

365

00:17:13,165 --> 00:17:14,033

We're back.

366

00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:17,036

I don't have shoes,

but all that stuff plays.

367

00:17:17,169 --> 00:17:17,469

Yeah.

368

00:17:17,469 --> 00:17:23,342

And do you feel like that that, it played

a big part in your success across there?

369

00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:25,010

Yeah. We had such a solid team.

370

00:17:25,010 --> 00:17:27,112

We really supported each other.

371

00:17:27,112 --> 00:17:29,715

Especially talking to teams after,

372

00:17:31,784 --> 00:17:33,285

it made me realize even more

373

00:17:33,285 --> 00:17:35,521

how strong our team was

because we put the work into,

374

00:17:35,521 --> 00:17:37,723

like, getting to know each other

and trusting each other.

375

00:17:37,723 --> 00:17:39,224

Yeah, it's really amazing.

376

00:17:39,224 --> 00:17:42,294

Listening to that earlier,

377

00:17:42,294 --> 00:17:45,364

visit with you,

that, effort that went in.

378

00:17:45,397 --> 00:17:46,198

Yeah, yeah.

379

00:17:46,198 --> 00:17:50,269

Some other teams had a lot more,

struggles when it came to, like,

380

00:17:50,402 --> 00:17:52,271

personal interaction. Yeah.

381

00:17:52,271 --> 00:17:55,074

And we really we didn't run into it

too much, like, you know, you

382

00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:56,642

sometimes you get grumpy and you're like,

I don't.

383

00:17:56,642 --> 00:17:59,211

Why are you so close to me?

384

00:17:59,211 --> 00:17:59,945

Don't look at me.

385

00:17:59,945 --> 00:18:02,081

Don't look at me like that.

386

00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:03,182

You ate my snacks.

387

00:18:03,182 --> 00:18:07,086

But, no, it actually went pretty awesome.

388

00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:08,687

Everyone kind of kept it together.

389

00:18:08,687 --> 00:18:13,625

The last week,

we were all, rotating cast of pep talks.

390

00:18:13,625 --> 00:18:16,095

It would be everyone's daily

pep talk, and we'd all.

391

00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:17,729

We tried to, like, rally each other.

392

00:18:19,531 --> 00:18:21,200

And then finally, the

393

00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,369

one pep talk

where she gets up and says, I hate. You.

394

00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:27,272

Or whatever.

395

00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:30,542

It was actually really funny because,

this is kind of getting ahead

396

00:18:30,542 --> 00:18:34,880

of the story, too, but,

I was delivering my pep talk sermon.

397

00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,017

It was like, you know,

we had like 40 miles left or not much,

398

00:18:39,017 --> 00:18:41,620

but I was like,

all right, guys, we can do it.

399

00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:42,988

We're so close to land.

400

00:18:42,988 --> 00:18:44,690

It's like, we're going to see it soon.

401

00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:47,693

And I actually just like, looked up

and then I could see Hawaii.

402

00:18:48,093 --> 00:18:50,996

Yeah, I know I hadn't been looking in

that direction for a while and I was like,

403

00:18:50,996 --> 00:18:52,931

wait a minute, I can't see it.

404

00:18:52,931 --> 00:18:55,634

That's that. Yeah. It's and. They were.

405

00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:56,301

They were.

406

00:18:56,301 --> 00:18:58,337

Just going, wow, that's power.

407

00:18:58,337 --> 00:19:00,072

Yeah. It was like a it's summoned. It.

408

00:19:01,507 --> 00:19:02,074

Yeah.

409

00:19:02,074 --> 00:19:03,308

That's fantastic.

410

00:19:03,308 --> 00:19:06,011

Okay. But back to the earlier

part of the race.

411

00:19:06,011 --> 00:19:09,982

So you had an early start on the necessity

of your mental health.

412

00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:12,885

Yeah.

And your physical things getting tested.

413

00:19:12,885 --> 00:19:15,888

Yeah. And then,

414

00:19:16,021 --> 00:19:18,891

then there had to have been the doldrums

somewhere.

415

00:19:18,891 --> 00:19:19,558

Oh, yeah.

416

00:19:19,558 --> 00:19:23,295

There's a lot of,

just so because of the weather we had,

417

00:19:23,295 --> 00:19:25,297

it was really big in the, beginning.

418

00:19:25,297 --> 00:19:28,300

And then it just was kind of this, like,

419

00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:31,637

mind numbing slight current against you

the whole time.

420

00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:33,939

Which was pretty hard.

421

00:19:33,939 --> 00:19:37,075

Like, it was very rare

that we had a good following, see,

422

00:19:37,276 --> 00:19:40,245

which isn't common for that, that,

423

00:19:40,245 --> 00:19:43,248

stretch of water after you

get off the shelf of California usually.

424

00:19:43,248 --> 00:19:45,150

Yeah. You had discussed that. Yeah.

425

00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:47,953

Usually you you get some following, see,

and you get a lot more help.

426

00:19:47,953 --> 00:19:50,222

And we never really found that crew.

427

00:19:50,222 --> 00:19:53,725

And there was always just like a mild

push backwards.

428

00:19:53,725 --> 00:19:57,462

So it's just like it was a

that was definitely a slog

429

00:19:57,462 --> 00:20:02,534

to keep yourself excited and motivated

and focused on what you're doing

430

00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:06,171

when you're just like, there's there's

nothing there's nothing helping me.

431

00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:08,073

Yeah.

432

00:20:08,073 --> 00:20:08,874

And that's when we

433

00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:12,244

really leaned into each other

and just kind of trying to make each other

434

00:20:12,244 --> 00:20:16,315

laugh and trying to encourage each other

because that was that was the hard part.

435

00:20:16,315 --> 00:20:18,116

We were rowing three up.

436

00:20:18,116 --> 00:20:21,086

So we originally planned

to not row three up too much,

437

00:20:21,086 --> 00:20:24,089

but when we were against that current

for so long,

438

00:20:24,256 --> 00:20:28,594

it was either make almost no progress

or just row as much as possible.

439

00:20:28,594 --> 00:20:29,895

So we were doing three up

440

00:20:29,895 --> 00:20:34,299

for almost the last two weeks,

which is three people rowing.

441

00:20:34,466 --> 00:20:37,469

So you're only getting,

442

00:20:38,003 --> 00:20:41,340

30 minute breaks in between all day long.

443

00:20:41,673 --> 00:20:43,075

And we'd go two, two up at night.

444

00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:46,111

So it was it was a pretty taxing. Wow.

445

00:20:46,278 --> 00:20:49,281

Yeah, yeah,

we we burned ourselves to get there.

446

00:20:49,548 --> 00:20:53,318

So it was three people rowing

and then you'd get a 30 minute break

447

00:20:53,318 --> 00:20:55,320

and then you're back for three people

rowing.

448

00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,755

To change rowing seats.

449

00:20:56,755 --> 00:20:59,825

Or do you have a preferred

position on the boat?

450

00:21:00,959 --> 00:21:01,827

I would,

451

00:21:01,827 --> 00:21:06,298

so I lived in the stern because that's

where all the navigation equipment was,

452

00:21:06,298 --> 00:21:11,069

and that's where, that was my role is as

a skipper was also navigating.

453

00:21:11,069 --> 00:21:13,705

So I lived kind of

right next to that door for. Yeah.

454

00:21:13,705 --> 00:21:15,240

So you were the back there?

455

00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:15,841

Yeah.

456

00:21:15,841 --> 00:21:19,011

And, I was doing all of that, but,

you know, we

457

00:21:19,011 --> 00:21:24,683

we entrusted Jen, who was great

at spreadsheets, to we could not besides,

458

00:21:24,683 --> 00:21:28,754

Jen, figure out how to make math happen

when it came to the three up.

459

00:21:29,187 --> 00:21:31,790

So usually when you're exhausted,

you know, you haven't slept more

460

00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:35,794

than 30 minutes to 60 minutes for 30 days.

461

00:21:35,827 --> 00:21:36,328

Yeah, man.

462

00:21:36,328 --> 00:21:36,962

That's hard.

463

00:21:36,962 --> 00:21:39,564

That's. So we were like Jen who rose next.

464

00:21:39,564 --> 00:21:40,299

When's my break?

465

00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:43,802

And she she had like it all figured out

and we still couldn't figure it out.

466

00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:46,972

We had to ask her every 20 minutes

what we were doing.

467

00:21:47,172 --> 00:21:48,440

Somehow she kept it.

468

00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,709

She kept she. Figured it out.

469

00:21:50,709 --> 00:21:52,477

We I've never been able to do math.

470

00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:53,979

And after that, I could still can't.

471

00:21:55,213 --> 00:21:56,014

You're worse at it.

472

00:21:56,014 --> 00:21:59,017

Yeah, I was yeah, now I am now.

473

00:21:59,051 --> 00:22:01,687

Did you have high impact from the salt

474

00:22:01,687 --> 00:22:05,324

in the sea and the sun and the.

475

00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:08,293

The butt sores were

476

00:22:08,293 --> 00:22:09,995

formidable.

477

00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:12,230

Like the

478

00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:14,566

Bowmans, but supreme.

479

00:22:14,566 --> 00:22:17,002

Yeah, it was, it was it was pretty.

480

00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:17,636

Pretty rough.

481

00:22:17,636 --> 00:22:22,140

I can supply you a photo of before

it got even so bad, but it was.

482

00:22:22,774 --> 00:22:23,575

It was real pain.

483

00:22:23,575 --> 00:22:25,444

So it's just that friction.

484

00:22:25,444 --> 00:22:29,414

And a lot of the time, especially getting

off the coast for the first two weeks,

485

00:22:29,414 --> 00:22:33,352

it's all sideways waves,

so it's not even like you're symmetrical.

486

00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:34,353

Yeah, it's not symmetrical.

487

00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:37,456

So you're just kind of like slamming

sideways, rubbing

488

00:22:37,456 --> 00:22:40,826

your butt cheeks on this salty pad

and they're wet.

489

00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:42,427

Yeah, this sounds tough.

490

00:22:42,427 --> 00:22:45,964

And your your butt just starts to turn

into, like, a cheese grated

491

00:22:47,299 --> 00:22:48,233

hamburger.

492

00:22:48,233 --> 00:22:51,236

Got a picture?

493

00:22:51,436 --> 00:22:52,170

It was bad.

494

00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:56,241

It was, it took it took a couple months

to recover from that part.

495

00:22:56,975 --> 00:22:59,311

Yeah. About that.

496

00:22:59,311 --> 00:23:00,846

Yeah. We had, this.

497

00:23:00,846 --> 00:23:03,148

I'm so glad we brought it.

We had a couple things that really help.

498

00:23:03,148 --> 00:23:07,953

So there is this bed

sour cream that's called, calamine.

499

00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:09,721

Or is it.

500

00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:14,326

This is very thick zinc

mixture for bedsores for like old people

501

00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:15,494

like that are bedridden.

502

00:23:15,494 --> 00:23:17,996

And we just started rubbing it everywhere.

503

00:23:17,996 --> 00:23:21,900

And then there we also had,

something called duodenum,

504

00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,903

which is essentially it's like a moleskin

but like rubber.

505

00:23:25,437 --> 00:23:28,440

And we would like

put that in your butt cheeks

506

00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:31,777

because there was nothing else

you could do.

507

00:23:31,777 --> 00:23:32,944

And we'd play the game.

508

00:23:32,944 --> 00:23:34,780

Is this sunscreen or butt cream?

509

00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:36,348

Because it was just, like, everywhere.

510

00:23:36,348 --> 00:23:39,151

Yeah. You just ruin it.

511

00:23:39,151 --> 00:23:42,254

You paint a real elegant. Beautiful,

512

00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:44,322

beautiful situation.

513

00:23:44,322 --> 00:23:45,524

Indeed.

514

00:23:45,524 --> 00:23:47,692

And, but, how about the sun?

515

00:23:47,692 --> 00:23:49,594

How how brutal was this?

516

00:23:49,594 --> 00:23:52,197

Pretty bad.

We got, you know, you get pretty sick.

517

00:23:52,197 --> 00:23:53,565

Because you couldn't have it kind of be

518

00:23:53,565 --> 00:23:56,701

because that could be faked into the,

sailors.

519

00:23:56,701 --> 00:23:57,636

Yeah. Yeah, it's.

520

00:23:57,636 --> 00:23:58,804

You're not allowed to have that.

521

00:23:58,804 --> 00:24:02,774

And, you know,

the sun was intense at the second half,

522

00:24:02,774 --> 00:24:05,310

but we did not get enough

sun in the beginning.

523

00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:08,647

So the getting off the coast is hard

because it's really cloudy off

524

00:24:08,647 --> 00:24:09,548

the California coast.

525

00:24:09,548 --> 00:24:13,051

So our solar was pretty challenging. So.

526

00:24:13,051 --> 00:24:14,386

And you need all this power

527

00:24:14,386 --> 00:24:17,422

to do all this stuff, like run

your navigation system, your water.

528

00:24:17,422 --> 00:24:19,591

We have run your autopilot

and run your water.

529

00:24:19,591 --> 00:24:25,397

So like, you have to be really strategic

about how you, use your power.

530

00:24:25,397 --> 00:24:26,364

And sometimes,

531

00:24:26,364 --> 00:24:29,534

especially for those first two weeks,

I was just turning off my air system

532

00:24:29,534 --> 00:24:33,772

and just using a compass,

to, like, keep us on course

533

00:24:33,772 --> 00:24:35,373

because I'm trying to save power

534

00:24:35,373 --> 00:24:38,610

so we can get through the night

with our eyes running.

535

00:24:38,643 --> 00:24:39,110

Right?

536

00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:43,114

Because, the eyes also alert

you towards other boats in the area.

537

00:24:43,615 --> 00:24:46,251

And our first, in our first four days,

538

00:24:46,251 --> 00:24:49,254

we had an extremely close call

with a cargo ship.

539

00:24:49,421 --> 00:24:50,822

When I say close, it was like,

540

00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:52,624

it's like a

541

00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:55,660

hair's length from, like, hitting us.

542

00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:58,997

Because when you're getting off

that coast, you're

543

00:24:58,997 --> 00:25:02,100

crossing, you're crossing

through a huge shipping lane.

544

00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:04,870

And these boats are massive.

These cargo ships are really big.

545

00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:07,205

And a lot of the time

it's like a skeleton crew.

546

00:25:07,205 --> 00:25:08,440

There's not a lot of people on it.

547

00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,776

So sometimes at night, they're not

necessarily watching their eyes.

548

00:25:12,477 --> 00:25:15,547

So we had a situation where we had

549

00:25:15,547 --> 00:25:18,650

put our pair anchor out

for less than an hour because we were

550

00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:22,621

we're getting into a really big piece

of like the storm section that we were in.

551

00:25:22,621 --> 00:25:26,424

There were huge waves, and we just needed

a little bit of time to regroup.

552

00:25:26,558 --> 00:25:29,094

Yeah. And we had put the hair anchor out.

553

00:25:29,094 --> 00:25:32,264

We were

they had it out for less than an hour

554

00:25:32,264 --> 00:25:35,267

when we started getting an AIS

alert of a boat.

555

00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,570

And the AIS will usually alert around

ten miles out in these boats

556

00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:42,007

go 30 to 40 miles an hour.

557

00:25:42,007 --> 00:25:44,042

So it's not a lot of time. Go that fast.

558

00:25:44,042 --> 00:25:47,045

Really fast boats are really big

cargo ships and they're really fast.

559

00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:50,382

Depending on if they're following current,

they can go real fast.

560

00:25:50,448 --> 00:25:51,950

Oh yeah.

561

00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:55,520

So we started calling them,

kind of being like, hey, like that's your

562

00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,057

first approach is you try to make contact

and you say, hey, this is me.

563

00:25:59,057 --> 00:26:01,660

I'm not maneuverable. Is there any way

you can change your course?

564

00:26:01,660 --> 00:26:05,063

And we called them for a while

and they just didn't respond.

565

00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:09,067

And by the time we made the call

to, realize

566

00:26:09,067 --> 00:26:12,470

that they weren't going to respond to us

and they had no idea that we were there.

567

00:26:12,871 --> 00:26:15,307

Because they were

they were on a collision course for us.

568

00:26:15,307 --> 00:26:18,243

We had to get our para anchor

out of the water

569

00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:22,614

and, put it and it's a it's

a kind of a process to get into the water.

570

00:26:22,614 --> 00:26:24,549

It's, it's a something more of it.

571

00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:26,217

Over 100ft of rope,

572

00:26:26,217 --> 00:26:29,354

that you have to pull in with a parachute

and it's heavy rope and it's wet.

573

00:26:29,721 --> 00:26:32,223

We pulled it in so fast,

and we pulled in this, like,

574

00:26:32,223 --> 00:26:36,928

knot of rope and just threw it in the bow

cabin and, like, had to whip around

575

00:26:36,928 --> 00:26:39,297

and row in the opposite direction

to get out of their way.

576

00:26:39,297 --> 00:26:40,732

But it was it was so close.

577

00:26:40,732 --> 00:26:44,569

And I remember feeling so bad because

I'd never thought about this before.

578

00:26:44,569 --> 00:26:48,273

But my, my teammate Chris, she,

she wore glasses.

579

00:26:48,273 --> 00:26:52,711

And it happened so fast because

I was on deck and I started screaming.

580

00:26:52,711 --> 00:26:55,447

I was like, we got to get out of here.

Now. We got to move. We got to move.

581

00:26:55,447 --> 00:26:57,382

She came up on deck,

but she couldn't find her glasses.

582

00:26:57,382 --> 00:26:59,217

So the whole time

she couldn't see what was happening.

583

00:27:00,352 --> 00:27:01,152

And I was like, Chris.

584

00:27:01,152 --> 00:27:02,387

I'd have been. Better, I don't know.

585

00:27:02,387 --> 00:27:05,190

I was like, well, I was like, Chris,

you got to hold us in this, like heading.

586

00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:07,559

And she's like, I can't see.

587

00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,027

I was like,

what do you mean you can't see it?

588

00:27:09,027 --> 00:27:11,029

She's like, I don't have my glasses.

589

00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:13,798

So this poor thing

like, was trying to go through all of this

590

00:27:13,798 --> 00:27:15,800

without being able to see anything.

591

00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,568

Oh my goodness.

592

00:27:16,568 --> 00:27:19,671

And when you say, hair

when it went by you,

593

00:27:19,671 --> 00:27:23,208

was it just this massive wall of ship

going by.

594

00:27:23,241 --> 00:27:24,843

Yeah. It was, it was really close.

595

00:27:24,843 --> 00:27:30,048

It was, it was, and those, those boats

have their own pull under themselves.

596

00:27:30,048 --> 00:27:31,016

So if you're like,

597

00:27:31,016 --> 00:27:34,019

close to them as a small ship,

you can get pulled under them.

598

00:27:34,085 --> 00:27:35,120

Yeah.

599

00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,354

So, Oh, my.

600

00:27:36,354 --> 00:27:37,956

God, it was,

it was very close, very scary.

601

00:27:37,956 --> 00:27:41,259

And then poor Chris and, Sierra,

they had the boat cabin.

602

00:27:41,259 --> 00:27:42,694

We threw the pair anchor in there.

603

00:27:42,694 --> 00:27:45,397

And of course, as ropes

go, we just threw it all in there.

604

00:27:45,397 --> 00:27:48,833

And of course it became the most,

heinous.

605

00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:50,035

Heinous? Not.

606

00:27:50,035 --> 00:27:52,137

Yeah. We like to call it a snakes wedding.

607

00:27:52,137 --> 00:27:55,140

And it took them about four hours to just

608

00:27:55,373 --> 00:27:59,310

get that rope back

to, like, a manageable way to imagine.

609

00:27:59,544 --> 00:28:01,513

You probably dragged

a bunch of water into.

610

00:28:01,513 --> 00:28:02,981

Oh, it was. I felt so bad.

611

00:28:04,082 --> 00:28:04,683

Had to happen.

612

00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:07,052

As you cuddled up in your little recap.

613

00:28:07,052 --> 00:28:08,420

Yeah. Radios.

614

00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:09,621

Well, you saved the day.

615

00:28:09,621 --> 00:28:11,356

It sounds like to me.

616

00:28:11,356 --> 00:28:14,626

We we got it done

and enough time to get out of the way.

617

00:28:14,626 --> 00:28:16,995

And that was really cool.

618

00:28:16,995 --> 00:28:18,997

I learned a lot from that

619

00:28:18,997 --> 00:28:21,733

that I'm gonna definitely use

for my next row.

620

00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:23,468

I learned a lot of things.

621

00:28:23,468 --> 00:28:23,968

Oh, yeah.

622

00:28:23,968 --> 00:28:27,305

I'm sure it was like college education.

623

00:28:27,472 --> 00:28:28,339

Yeah, there's this.

624

00:28:28,339 --> 00:28:32,777

The row that I did that made me realize a

lot of things that I'm going to apply it.

625

00:28:32,777 --> 00:28:34,179

No kidding.

626

00:28:34,179 --> 00:28:36,448

And so there yeah, it's got to just

627

00:28:36,448 --> 00:28:40,185

get more intense and more intense

the closer you get to a finish.

628

00:28:40,185 --> 00:28:40,485

Right.

629

00:28:40,485 --> 00:28:43,888

But better and better because you think

you're going to make it at least.

630

00:28:44,155 --> 00:28:44,956

Yeah. I don't know.

631

00:28:44,956 --> 00:28:46,224

I would actually say for the,

632

00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:49,260

for the Pacific,

the some of the most intense stuff

633

00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:52,063

happened in the first couple weeks

because you get those big storms

634

00:28:52,063 --> 00:28:57,168

and you get the shipping lanes and you

and then the second half is more the, the

635

00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:01,272

keeping, keeping the mental side together.

636

00:29:01,272 --> 00:29:01,940

Yeah.

637

00:29:01,940 --> 00:29:04,943

You have

that's the biggest question to answer.

638

00:29:05,443 --> 00:29:07,645

Are you still friends

with all the people you rode with?

639

00:29:07,645 --> 00:29:09,848

Yeah, I just went to the Sierra's wedding.

640

00:29:09,848 --> 00:29:11,583

And it went well. Yeah, we did.

641

00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:13,451

We? Yeah. We're still very close there.

642

00:29:13,451 --> 00:29:14,252

Probably.

643

00:29:14,252 --> 00:29:16,855

Closer than most people get

because of something. Like.

644

00:29:16,855 --> 00:29:18,022

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

645

00:29:18,022 --> 00:29:20,358

We're. Yeah,

they'll be in my life forever.

646

00:29:20,358 --> 00:29:23,161

Yeah. No, I that's nice to hear that.

647

00:29:23,161 --> 00:29:23,995

What an event.

648

00:29:23,995 --> 00:29:25,797

And do you plan on doing it again.

649

00:29:25,797 --> 00:29:27,999

Yeah. I'm doing a solo next spring.

650

00:29:27,999 --> 00:29:31,202

Oh. Solo. Yeah. Oh. And you got a boat?

651

00:29:31,202 --> 00:29:34,272

Yeah, I'm picking it up

after my next trip, which is my next trip.

652

00:29:34,506 --> 00:29:36,107

Are you going it to Flagstaff?

653

00:29:36,107 --> 00:29:38,877

No, I'm

going to bring it home to Colorado, but I.

654

00:29:38,877 --> 00:29:40,478

It will come through Flagstaff for sure.

655

00:29:40,478 --> 00:29:44,482

It's going to, I have to do

some work on it, this winter.

656

00:29:45,083 --> 00:29:46,651

Oh, there's a couple things I want to do.

657

00:29:46,651 --> 00:29:49,621

And it's going to go to the hatch

warehouse and then it's going to go out.

658

00:29:49,888 --> 00:29:51,222

Oh that's. Exciting.

659

00:29:51,222 --> 00:29:53,258

Yeah, I want to see it

there. Might I might bring it through.

660

00:29:53,258 --> 00:29:55,426

I might do a little show

and tell out here.

661

00:29:55,426 --> 00:29:57,061

Well I'm fundraiser.

662

00:29:57,061 --> 00:29:59,764

Yeah. And everyone can touch it.

663

00:29:59,764 --> 00:30:01,833

And how would you do financially on it.

664

00:30:01,833 --> 00:30:02,500

Where are you guys.

665

00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:04,402

Out of pocket. Just a terrible amount.

666

00:30:04,402 --> 00:30:05,904

Or did you get some funding?

667

00:30:05,904 --> 00:30:06,704

We did okay.

668

00:30:06,704 --> 00:30:11,910

We were, we were able to to donate some

money at the end, which was really cool.

669

00:30:12,277 --> 00:30:13,278

Well, that is cool.

670

00:30:13,278 --> 00:30:19,050

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we, we worked our butts

off, but they're from all that work.

671

00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:20,118

After we sold the boat,

672

00:30:20,118 --> 00:30:24,155

which we sold the boat to a, a team

that just rode the Pacific this year.

673

00:30:24,656 --> 00:30:27,659

So the boat still living on doing.

674

00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:28,827

The same, you.

675

00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:31,262

Know, doing its thing

and got another team there safely.

676

00:30:31,262 --> 00:30:33,331

It was an American team of veterans,

677

00:30:33,331 --> 00:30:35,200

and they did a five person team,

which was hard.

678

00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,734

Men or women? Men.

679

00:30:36,734 --> 00:30:39,537

It was hard to imagine because

four people seemed tight on that boat.

680

00:30:39,537 --> 00:30:43,675

Five was like five grown men on that boat

seemed crazy to me,

681

00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:44,676

but they did it somehow.

682

00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:47,979

Men and women squished in there.

683

00:30:48,646 --> 00:30:51,049

Okay, now we go.

684

00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:54,285

To, The part of the thing

685

00:30:54,285 --> 00:30:57,722

where, okay,

you've given your pep talk the

686

00:30:58,990 --> 00:31:01,559

islands rise out of the horizon.

687

00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:06,631

And so you guys are really motivated,

and you're pulling, and you have to pass.

688

00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:08,499

Islands right here.

689

00:31:08,499 --> 00:31:09,901

You have to pass land.

690

00:31:09,901 --> 00:31:12,503

Oh, almost. Silver chain.

691

00:31:12,503 --> 00:31:14,239

Yeah. Well, you could see the whole chain.

692

00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:15,273

You didn't see all of them,

693

00:31:15,273 --> 00:31:19,711

but we definitely saw some,

and you're just like, wow, that's okay.

694

00:31:19,777 --> 00:31:22,180

Well, you saw what to do for sure.

695

00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:27,852

And then, what part of the island

in Kauai did you pull into Hanalei Bay?

696

00:31:27,852 --> 00:31:29,988

Which is kind of like the top of it.

697

00:31:29,988 --> 00:31:31,322

Yeah, I know, I know, I bet.

698

00:31:31,322 --> 00:31:34,325

Yeah, we we came into Hanoi Bay.

699

00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,061

And it's got to be pretty exciting.

700

00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:37,629

Yeah, it.

701

00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:40,365

Well,

it was actually just kind of surreal.

702

00:31:40,365 --> 00:31:42,567

Numbing. Yeah. So we,

703

00:31:43,501 --> 00:31:45,670

we were rowing in and we,

704

00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:48,573

we had been rowing three up

for the last like two weeks

705

00:31:48,573 --> 00:31:51,609

and the last two days we've been rowing

three up at night as well.

706

00:31:51,609 --> 00:31:53,611

So we almost slept.

707

00:31:53,611 --> 00:31:55,914

Not at all, for the last two days.

708

00:31:55,914 --> 00:31:57,482

So you, you're sleep

deprived that whole time.

709

00:31:57,482 --> 00:31:59,217

And then we didn't sleep really at all.

710

00:31:59,217 --> 00:32:02,086

The last two days of coming in

because we were just pushing to make it.

711

00:32:02,086 --> 00:32:04,355

We're going. There. We were like,

we're going to make it.

712

00:32:04,355 --> 00:32:07,725

And we you start seeing land

713

00:32:07,725 --> 00:32:09,227

and you start seeing lights,

and then you're like,

714

00:32:09,227 --> 00:32:11,696

following up the coast

and you're just like, this is happening.

715

00:32:11,696 --> 00:32:12,764

So weird.

716

00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:16,834

And the race director, in their weird,

717

00:32:16,834 --> 00:32:20,605

infinite wisdom, they drove up

without any lights on their boat.

718

00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:23,474

And then they, like,

surprised us on a live stream.

719

00:32:23,474 --> 00:32:24,442

And it was like.

720

00:32:25,510 --> 00:32:26,010

That's.

721

00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:26,911

Really early.

722

00:32:26,911 --> 00:32:27,712

It was.

723

00:32:27,712 --> 00:32:28,012

Yeah.

724

00:32:28,012 --> 00:32:30,815

Because then you're like,

oh, yeah, this is a show for you.

725

00:32:30,815 --> 00:32:32,216

So they surprise us at a live stream.

726

00:32:32,216 --> 00:32:37,588

But what was so interesting, is before

we even saw land, you could smell it.

727

00:32:37,689 --> 00:32:40,892

And it was something so special

728

00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:43,995

because, you know,

you smell yourself for 40 days,

729

00:32:44,295 --> 00:32:48,166

and then you get to smell land

and just smelled like cedar and cinnamon.

730

00:32:48,166 --> 00:32:50,101

And it was like, one of the nicest smells.

731

00:32:50,101 --> 00:32:52,203

Like it's so nice. That is.

732

00:32:52,203 --> 00:32:55,506

And it's such a unique smell, like,

because you don't smell anything

733

00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,776

like that land smells like for so long.

734

00:32:58,776 --> 00:33:01,079

And then you come in

and you could do. It in Hawaii.

735

00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,448

Hawaii's an exotic smelling place

anywhere.

736

00:33:03,448 --> 00:33:05,583

It's got flowers

and it's got excited, but you.

737

00:33:05,583 --> 00:33:08,152

Don't realize it

when you're there, when you fly in.

738

00:33:08,152 --> 00:33:10,388

But like when you Rowan

and or if you sail in.

739

00:33:10,388 --> 00:33:11,289

And the first time

740

00:33:11,289 --> 00:33:14,292

you smell like what land smells like,

it's it's kind of overwhelming.

741

00:33:14,726 --> 00:33:16,627

So we were getting to smell the land.

Yeah.

742

00:33:16,627 --> 00:33:18,062

It was beautiful.

We got to smell the land.

743

00:33:18,062 --> 00:33:20,798

And then we got surprised

by the race director.

744

00:33:20,798 --> 00:33:22,767

And there's like, live streaming

and they're like, how do you feel?

745

00:33:22,767 --> 00:33:23,768

And we're like, I don't know,

746

00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:26,971

I guess fine.

747

00:33:26,971 --> 00:33:29,240

And we finished. And it was

it was pretty amazing.

748

00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,675

We finished at like 3 a.m..

749

00:33:30,675 --> 00:33:33,811

So it's like dark,

but your, your whole family's there

750

00:33:33,811 --> 00:33:37,782

waiting for you on the,

the dock, and, it was us.

751

00:33:37,849 --> 00:33:41,085

Was there a large group of people

or was it mostly just families?

752

00:33:41,085 --> 00:33:42,286

It was their.

753

00:33:42,286 --> 00:33:45,323

Family and some other rowers and,

754

00:33:46,557 --> 00:33:49,260

just people that live there

that wanted to see you come in.

755

00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:50,628

Yeah, absolutely. Cool.

756

00:33:50,628 --> 00:33:55,566

And now let's talk about

you all left to essentially the same time.

757

00:33:56,134 --> 00:34:00,104

What sort of gaps

in between each of your arrivals?

758

00:34:00,104 --> 00:34:01,039

Not very much.

759

00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,174

We were all super close to each other.

760

00:34:03,174 --> 00:34:06,177

So we had one boat

in the race that didn't make it.

761

00:34:06,344 --> 00:34:07,612

They turned around.

762

00:34:07,612 --> 00:34:12,950

So that was our ninth boat, and then there

was a men's team that won the overall.

763

00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:16,888

And then we were all very close

to each other, kind of within there.

764

00:34:16,888 --> 00:34:22,093

We there was the

I went a men's team, two women's team

765

00:34:23,161 --> 00:34:24,662

A for us

766

00:34:24,662 --> 00:34:27,665

and then two more teams at the end.

767

00:34:28,566 --> 00:34:30,101

So you that's so cool

768

00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:33,404

that you were, after all that time

you were in such close.

769

00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:35,540

Yeah. So it was what what is close?

770

00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:37,141

What are we talk about?

771

00:34:37,141 --> 00:34:39,210

So the

772

00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:42,213

the two women's teams that finished

773

00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:45,483

first were actually pairs teams.

774

00:34:45,483 --> 00:34:47,185

It was such a cool thing to watch happen.

775

00:34:47,185 --> 00:34:51,756

So they one was a professional sailor

and a professional rower.

776

00:34:52,023 --> 00:34:55,026

And then two were these insane.

777

00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,197

Very cool,

but also very insane women from Britain

778

00:34:59,197 --> 00:35:02,200

who had set the Atlantic record as a pair.

779

00:35:02,233 --> 00:35:03,668

And they had battled the whole time.

780

00:35:03,668 --> 00:35:06,471

And they they caught some really fast

southerly current.

781

00:35:06,471 --> 00:35:09,507

And those two came in

within hours of each other.

782

00:35:10,141 --> 00:35:11,375

Unbelievable.

783

00:35:11,375 --> 00:35:11,776

Yeah.

784

00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:14,946

It was like it's it's kind of wild

to even imagine that they were

785

00:35:15,213 --> 00:35:17,815

they were in like almost

sight range of each other

786

00:35:19,517 --> 00:35:21,519

after 38 days.

787

00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,521

Yeah. No that's phenomenal to me.

788

00:35:23,521 --> 00:35:28,593

And so how big of a gap between the

first boat and the last one to make it.

789

00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:30,628

Well, the last one.

790

00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:31,729

The last one took a while.

791

00:35:31,729 --> 00:35:35,566

They were also a pairs and they

792

00:35:35,566 --> 00:35:39,437

I think they had some possibly

some team dynamics that were challenging.

793

00:35:39,871 --> 00:35:43,608

And they came in,

I think two weeks after the.

794

00:35:45,209 --> 00:35:46,244

Boat before them.

795

00:35:46,244 --> 00:35:49,247

That well, they came in one week

796

00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,183

when maybe like ten days after the boat

before them,

797

00:35:52,183 --> 00:35:55,186

maybe two weeks after the,

the first boat that came in.

798

00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,787

Oh, wow.

799

00:35:56,787 --> 00:35:57,421

Yeah.

800

00:35:57,421 --> 00:36:00,424

So but they still,

they still have that amazing and made it.

801

00:36:00,825 --> 00:36:04,495

Well and with all this

like the record stuff,

802

00:36:05,229 --> 00:36:09,534

they still

would have beaten the world record.

803

00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:12,937

If they hadn't been part of this race.

804

00:36:12,937 --> 00:36:16,507

If like the two professional sailor

and rower

805

00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:18,609

and then the British girls

hadn't beaten the record,

806

00:36:18,609 --> 00:36:20,878

they still would have beaten the pairs

record.

807

00:36:20,878 --> 00:36:21,579

Oh, wow.

808

00:36:21,579 --> 00:36:24,649

Yeah, it was that fast

that the two before them went.

809

00:36:24,649 --> 00:36:27,752

So it was just it's pretty staggering

what they were able to accomplish.

810

00:36:27,752 --> 00:36:27,952

Yeah.

811

00:36:27,952 --> 00:36:31,088

What kind of women were they

physique wise?

812

00:36:31,088 --> 00:36:33,257

They're like Amazonian.

813

00:36:33,257 --> 00:36:36,460

No. They were like skinny British women.

814

00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:37,795

That's tuned smoke cigarets.

815

00:36:37,795 --> 00:36:40,231

I don't understand these things.

816

00:36:40,231 --> 00:36:42,500

Yeah. It's amazing. It's the best.

817

00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,969

Yeah it was they were just

818

00:36:44,969 --> 00:36:48,306

they their team name was Wild Waves

and they were very wild.

819

00:36:48,306 --> 00:36:51,776

They,

we went out together as a like as a fleet.

820

00:36:51,809 --> 00:36:55,012

All the people that were raising,

two nights before we launched

821

00:36:55,012 --> 00:36:57,615

and they got kicked out of every bar.

They danced on every table.

822

00:36:57,615 --> 00:37:02,253

They were just had the personality

to go with to completely lose it.

823

00:37:02,253 --> 00:37:05,790

I think that's like the personality

that you need in endurance sports.

824

00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:08,826

It's just a let it all go

and just be a little bit off

825

00:37:08,826 --> 00:37:11,829

your rocker to to pull it out.

826

00:37:12,029 --> 00:37:12,630

Yeah. No.

827

00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:14,599

Fantastic, fantastic.

828

00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:16,467

And then so post-race,

829

00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:20,605

you're in Hawaii with your family

and that's got to be good.

830

00:37:20,605 --> 00:37:21,939

And you get some rest.

831

00:37:21,939 --> 00:37:24,208

A little bit.

Yeah. You got to clean the boat.

832

00:37:24,208 --> 00:37:25,610

You got to get the boat ready

for shipping.

833

00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:29,213

My trailer brakes actually locked up,

so I had to, like, rip

834

00:37:29,213 --> 00:37:31,215

the trailer brakes off the trailer

before I sent it.

835

00:37:31,215 --> 00:37:32,316

So I had to do a bunch of trailer work.

836

00:37:32,316 --> 00:37:33,684

How did. You get your trailer over.

837

00:37:33,684 --> 00:37:36,220

There? Shipped it?

838

00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:36,687

Yeah.

839

00:37:36,687 --> 00:37:40,524

It's, it's the one crux

part of the whole thing is that you have

840

00:37:40,524 --> 00:37:43,127

to, like, ship your trailer over there.

You can build, like, a cradle.

841

00:37:43,127 --> 00:37:45,363

And I think

I'm going to do for my next row.

842

00:37:45,363 --> 00:37:48,966

But they wanted us to have a trailer

because Hanalei Bay

843

00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,969

is not really a Marina. No.

844

00:37:51,969 --> 00:37:54,672

And it's a ways up there.

So they don't have any in there.

845

00:37:54,672 --> 00:37:57,074

And it's it's funny

that they brought you in there.

846

00:37:57,074 --> 00:37:59,844

It was it's for the esthetic.

847

00:37:59,844 --> 00:38:01,379

And it's just. That it's various.

848

00:38:01,379 --> 00:38:03,014

At that place. It's beautiful. Yeah.

849

00:38:03,014 --> 00:38:07,618

But my for my next room I'm going to go to

Oahu, and go to an actual Marina.

850

00:38:07,618 --> 00:38:09,854

It's a, it's a logistically

so much easier.

851

00:38:09,854 --> 00:38:11,922

Go to a hotel.

852

00:38:11,922 --> 00:38:14,959

Well they'll have like cranes

where you can just lift your boat onto a

853

00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:16,327

and put it onto a cradle.

854

00:38:16,327 --> 00:38:18,062

Not you don't have to ship your trailer

over there.

855

00:38:18,062 --> 00:38:20,798

There's there's all sorts of stuff

you can, you know, hell.

856

00:38:20,798 --> 00:38:22,233

With a statics.

857

00:38:22,233 --> 00:38:25,369

You want to see a shoreline and facility.

858

00:38:25,503 --> 00:38:26,504

Yeah.

859

00:38:26,504 --> 00:38:27,838

That's fantastic.

860

00:38:27,838 --> 00:38:29,440

So did that all go pretty good?

861

00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,909

You got there all packed up. Shipped?

862

00:38:31,909 --> 00:38:33,544

Yeah. Yeah. We're good. And.

863

00:38:33,544 --> 00:38:35,046

And you guys sold it.

864

00:38:35,046 --> 00:38:37,948

We sold that boat because. So that offers.

865

00:38:37,948 --> 00:38:41,452

And for this next row

I needed a solo or pairs boat.

866

00:38:41,852 --> 00:38:44,555

And did you buy it from the same race.

867

00:38:44,555 --> 00:38:46,590

So we didn't buy that.

Our first boat from the race, and.

868

00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:49,860

No, there is a friend of mine that I know

pretty

869

00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:53,097

well who actually rode the

Pacific the year before me.

870

00:38:54,365 --> 00:38:55,132

That has a

871

00:38:55,132 --> 00:38:58,135

boat that I will be using

for this next row.

872

00:38:58,135 --> 00:38:58,903

It's in Nevada.

873

00:38:58,903 --> 00:39:01,906

I'm going to go drive to Nevada

after this.

874

00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,342

After this next trip, pick it up.

875

00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:05,242

That's awesome.

876

00:39:05,242 --> 00:39:06,143

I know.

877

00:39:06,143 --> 00:39:10,147

Well, if you come through Flagstaff, I'm

going to be in town for a couple of weeks

878

00:39:10,147 --> 00:39:13,884

after my next trip, which is nearly

the same as your next trip.

879

00:39:14,552 --> 00:39:15,653

So give a ring.

880

00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:16,420

I'd like to see it.

881

00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:18,756

Yeah, it's it's they're super cool. This

I really would.

882

00:39:18,756 --> 00:39:21,092

It will be through Flagstaff

at some point in time.

883

00:39:21,092 --> 00:39:22,293

I'd love to show the people.

884

00:39:22,293 --> 00:39:24,061

Whatever it happens.

885

00:39:24,061 --> 00:39:26,464

Be sure and let me know.

886

00:39:26,464 --> 00:39:29,867

And the, did you take some pictures.

887

00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:32,336

Did you get some photo doctored.

888

00:39:32,336 --> 00:39:33,804

Oh you video.

889

00:39:33,804 --> 00:39:34,171

Oh yeah.

890

00:39:34,171 --> 00:39:38,409

We took a lot of,

you know, half awake video allowance.

891

00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:41,979

There's a, there's a lot of things I want

to put it together in some shaky cam.

892

00:39:42,179 --> 00:39:42,546

Yeah.

893

00:39:44,081 --> 00:39:45,716

Like nighttime ramblings.

894

00:39:45,716 --> 00:39:51,622

And then did all the team

members families show up and we're there.

895

00:39:51,722 --> 00:39:54,692

So the families probably got along great.

896

00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:56,761

So it has been a family affair?

897

00:39:56,761 --> 00:40:00,064

Yeah, it was they I think they were

excited to see my my mom and my dad.

898

00:40:00,064 --> 00:40:01,232

My sister came out and it was.

899

00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:02,199

And that's pretty special.

900

00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:04,935

Well,

and what they want to see is you guys

901

00:40:04,935 --> 00:40:08,672

got along, you know, it's it's

so much more than just a row.

902

00:40:08,672 --> 00:40:11,976

It's a life story of all their loved ones.

903

00:40:12,009 --> 00:40:13,310

Yeah. We're now proud of each other.

904

00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:15,513

We all got matching tattoos.

905

00:40:15,513 --> 00:40:18,015

Well of course you did.

906

00:40:18,015 --> 00:40:19,717

Probably not on your butt, though.

907

00:40:19,717 --> 00:40:21,552

No. It's hamburger.

908

00:40:21,552 --> 00:40:23,587

Not any more. But.

909

00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:25,189

Yeah, I'm glad to hear.

910

00:40:25,189 --> 00:40:25,956

It took a little.

911

00:40:25,956 --> 00:40:31,362

I won't pursue any more of that, but,

Well, that's fantastic to get the deal.

912

00:40:31,362 --> 00:40:33,531

And then what did you do after

913

00:40:34,532 --> 00:40:37,168

you came home or came back to the.

914

00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:38,169

Work. Trip?

915

00:40:38,169 --> 00:40:39,870

Oh, you jumped right on. What?

916

00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:42,273

Did I see you a row?

917

00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:45,242

Yeah, I well, I, I landed,

918

00:40:45,543 --> 00:40:49,380

got Covid, got super sick

and then went to a river trip.

919

00:40:50,581 --> 00:40:52,249

You know how to do it.

920

00:40:52,249 --> 00:40:56,220

I, I think my body was just like,

okay, finally I can, like, relax.

921

00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:58,989

And then I got Covid,

922

00:40:58,989 --> 00:41:00,558

and then I went and ran a hat strip.

923

00:41:00,558 --> 00:41:02,326

And gave it all of them Covid. Or.

924

00:41:02,326 --> 00:41:05,095

No, no, no, I got well,

I got over the Covid.

925

00:41:05,095 --> 00:41:07,798

Before you ever. Had more or less.

926

00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:10,768

But we were all masking up. Yeah.

927

00:41:10,768 --> 00:41:12,403

What could possibly it was. It was fine.

928

00:41:12,403 --> 00:41:15,406

They were they made it.

929

00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,976

Well what a great, great

follow up to a great adventure.

930

00:41:18,976 --> 00:41:21,545

I mean, thank you so much for your time.

Yeah. Thank you.

931

00:41:21,545 --> 00:41:27,151

And like I always say, big adventures,

hopes that you're staying right side up.

932

00:41:27,451 --> 00:41:29,820

You know what you say that calls I.

933

00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,523

I'm going to do my best, but hopefully

my boat will just sell fried. Joe.

934

00:41:32,523 --> 00:41:36,293

Kelsey, is there anything you want to do

935

00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:40,431

to gain money for your next, attempt?

936

00:41:40,898 --> 00:41:44,335

Do you have a place that all these

guys listening can send you?

937

00:41:45,302 --> 00:41:46,270

Yeah.

938

00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:48,105

Check.

939

00:41:48,105 --> 00:41:51,008

Yeah, I've got a spot fund on my Linktree.

940

00:41:51,008 --> 00:41:54,645

Or you can just go to u ro kelsey.com.

941

00:41:54,945 --> 00:41:59,250

And that's that's, p f e and DLR Sandler.

942

00:42:00,184 --> 00:42:02,353

Kelsey Sandler,

943

00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:05,189

she could be your next champion.

944

00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:07,291

Could help. Finance her.

945

00:42:07,291 --> 00:42:08,893

Well, thanks so much.

946

00:42:08,893 --> 00:42:09,560

Thank you.

947

00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,363

Kelsey and Brian and big adventures.

948

00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:15,366

We'll see you next time.

949

00:42:19,803 --> 00:42:21,238

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950

00:42:21,238 --> 00:42:24,675

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951

00:42:24,975 --> 00:42:28,479

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