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Dear listener, episode 474, the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove Podcast.

I'm Trevor.

Over there is Joe, the tech guy.

I wanna ask you, Joe, how you are, 'cause I know you've had a tough time, but

he's with us and he says, good evening.

Right?

So what's been happening in the last week or last few days?

Actually, some interesting news.

I mean, I. It's not every day that the United States just bombs

another country for no good reason.

I thought that was every day.

Maybe it is every day, maybe.

Come to think of it, this is just a regular occurrence, and

this particular one has got more attention than most of 'em.

But yes, America has decided to bomb a country that was posing

absolutely no threat to it whatsoever.

And, uh, no threat to anyone for that matter, at least not in the, in

any, uh, urgent type of situation.

So, yep, that's the topic of the discussion.

Dear Listener, is involvement of the good old Disunited states of

America and, uh, its bombing of the nuclear facilities in Iran.

What happened?

A lot of people have been saying about it, we'll give you all

the news that you need so that.

If you are at a dinner party or a coffee shop and someone starts just talking

bullshit about it, you'll at least be armed with some of the facts and figures.

So that's where we're heading for a bit of a late start this evening.

So, uh, only one person watching.

Uh, we're an hour late because, um, I just finished off a three

hour body corporate meeting.

Dear listener.

So this body corporate is taking up a lot of time, but, uh, yeah.

Anyway.

Ah, right.

What are we gonna talk about?

What's on the agenda?

What did, uh, Trump announce, um, and what did people think of it?

What's some polling attitudes in America?

Um, I've got lots, a bunch of different clips and we'll see how we go.

So, so, yeah.

Um, Donald Trump announced on Twitter, 'cause I mean, this is how

you find out what the US government is up to, Joe, is you just.

Well, he's not on Twitter, but No, no on truth, yes.

But there are Twitter accounts that basically just mirror his

truth account so that you don't need to go into truth and watch it.

You can just, uh, they just reproduce everything on a

fake talking of truth.

Have you seen when Truth had a SPAC attack and who had a SPAC attack?

Truth, truth, social.

Oh, the actual platform did?

Yeah.

No.

So someone went to look at Trump's account and it went Donald Trump and

underneath it went No truth's found.

Yeah.

Kind of sums it up really, doesn't it?

It does, it does.

Uh, I hope they weren't expecting one any truths, but, uh, yeah.

So he announced we have completed our very successful attack on

the three nucleus sites in Iran, including for Dao and Naans and Han.

All planes are now outside of Iran.

Airspace, a full pay, a full payload of bombs in capital letters.

His use, his use of capital letters is so juvenile.

Um, so Erish, yes, was dropped on the primary site for Dow.

All planes are safely on their way home.

Congratulations to our great American warriors.

There is not another military in the world that could have done this.

And in capitals now is the time for peace.

Exclamation mark.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Joe.

Quite often these things are finishing with Thank you for

your attention to this matter.

Um, it's a habit he's falling into.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Somebody else posted.

Um, you know, they went back through the archives and, um, and

found what, uh, emperor Hirohito, um, tweeted about a similar event.

Did you see that one tweeted?

Yes.

Okay.

Uh, this is on the real hero heto, um, oh, okay.

Twitter account.

We have completed our very successful attack on Hawaii.

All planes are now outside of American airspace.

A full payload of bombs was dropped on the primary site, Pearl Harbor.

All planes are safely on their way home.

Congratulations to our great Japanese warriors.

There is not a number of military in the world that could

have done this in capitals.

Now is the time for peace.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

It's all the same thing.

Ah, the hypocrisy.

Just an example of it.

Then he was, uh, then he fronted the press and, um, and, um, I've got a

little clip of what he had to say.

Here we go.

Our objective was the destruction of Iran's nuclear

enrichment capacity and a stop to the nuclear threat posed by the world's

number one state sponsor of terror.

Tonight, I can report to the world that the strikes were a

spectacular military success.

Irans key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely

and totally obliterated.

Iran, the bully of the Middle East must now make peace.

If they do not, future attacks will be far greater and a lot easier.

You know, what was that 1 36 seconds?

Um, uh, the number one state sponsor of Terror.

Surely America has that crown.

Um, uh, this facilities were completely obliterated.

Well, it seems, Joe, the jury's out on that one.

Like there's a fair chance that in fact, uh, the facilities Yeah, they're waiting

for the BDAs, aren't they?

What does the BDA stand for?

Bomb damage assessment.

Right.

Okay.

Um, they're the Bully Boys of the Middle East.

I can think of another country that maybe, Hmm.

You could possibly call the Bully Boys.

I, I did listen to an interesting interview, um, yesterday or the day before

that was saying, uh, America basically had been coerced into it by Israel.

Yes.

Uh, Israel, Israel had to do it now because, um, they

couldn't overfly Syria before.

But now that Syria is, uh.

Collapsed regime.

Yep.

They can overfly Syria.

Um, so now was the time to do it.

And now that they've suppressed the air defense, uh, and done most of

the hard work, the Americans can come in and just finish off the last

little bit that they couldn't do, they didn't have the infrastructure

or they didn't have the bombs for.

Mm. So, um, of course this is a president who campaigned

on not starting any more wars.

Mm. Um, and in particular bagged Obama as wanting to start a fight

with Iran to win an election.

Um, and yeah, just his final thing in that 36 seconds was now's the time for making

peace and kind of ignoring the fact that the Iranians were engaged in talks and

negotiations, uh, when they got bombed.

So, pretty hard to entice the Iranians back to peace talks when

the last time you're talking to them.

You just bombed them in the middle of those talks.

But well also that, um.

Uh, Obama had negotiated the perfectly good settlement that seemed to be working.

Yeah.

May not have been perfect, but, um, was doing the trick.

Mm-hmm.

So, yeah.

Uh, Trump called Iran the bully of the Middle East, uh, Israel's

bomb five countries and invaded three in the last two years alone.

But, uh, Iran is the bully.

Um, as Caitlyn Johnston said, it's hard to focus Joe, hard to concentrate.

Uh, it's, it's hard to focus on I Israel's airstrikes in Lebanon due

to Israel's invasion of Syria, which is hard to focus on due to Israel's

atrocities in the West Bank, which are hard to focus on due to Israel's

genocide in Gaza, which is now hard to focus on due to Israel's war on Iran.

You know, they're taking a leaf outta the Trump playbook, where Trump just

does so much shit and so much crazy stuff that it gets away with because.

You don't have a chance to talk properly about what he's done because

he's onto the next crazy thing.

So, um, so yeah.

Um, that's what the Israelis are doing now is, uh, just mounting up crazy

actions and we can't talk properly about the stuff that they've already done.

Let's see.

Um, this was an interesting one.

I thought.

Remember Joe, I thought that maybe there could be a false flag.

I thought that maybe the Israelis would, I don't know, send a missile somewhere and

make it look like it was, uh, an American, uh, uh, make it look like it was an

Iranian attack on some US infrastructure to, to try and get the US to mm-hmm.

Come in and, and be involved.

So I was predicting some sort of the possibility of a false flag attack.

And I love this comment from, uh, Harrison Smith.

They didn't even have the courtesy to false flag us at first.

So, nope.

And that may seem like, uh, a little more than a grim but funny joke.

But in fact, it exposes a deeper truth about yesterday's reckless, illegal

and unprovoked us bombing the fact that Trump chose to cross such an

enormous red line without even bothering to manufacture a shred of consent.

Uh, so it's a decisive turn.

We've entered a new phase of Western global savagery in which all pretenses

have been dropped, and only the logic of raw unrestrained violence remains.

So Western ruling classes now openly embrace a mafia style gangsterism.

So, yep.

They just are basically saying, we feel like it, so we just do it.

And they don't even have the courtesy to manufacture a false flag incident.

Uh, deja Vu by Chris Hedges.

He makes the point that this, um, is so reminiscent of Iraq with

the weapons of mass destruction.

And, um, all those arguments from 22 years ago, uh, with the two, 2003 war in

Iraq have basically being, uh, revisited.

Um, America has learn no lessons from Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

Um,

those places were a catastrophe.

If this continues, it's a catastrophe and um, uh, I think I will just skip what

the rest of what he has to say there.

Um, Joe polling, I. Polling of the US population just prior to the bombing rate.

So, um, do Americans think, sorry,

I was gonna say, I heard those figures announced the other day.

Um, most Americans think the US military should not get involved in

the conflict between Israel and Iran.

So overall, US citizens saying that the US should not be involved,

this is prior to the bombing.

'cause remember, uh, attitudes change after war start where everybody

sort of gathers around the flag and suddenly becomes feeling they

need to support their government.

But anyway, at that time, 60% said US should not be involved.

24% said not sure.

So only 16% of US adult citizens.

We're in favor of America getting involved in the conflict between Iran and Israel.

That's incredibly low number Joe, even for surprises me that crazy Americans, um,

who seem to love wars are sick of them.

No, no.

That was why they didn't want to get involved in Ukraine.

The Republicans were anti getting involved.

They, they were going, why are we wasting our tax dollars on fighting other wars?

Yes.

And that's why Trump allegedly got out of, um, Afghanistan, or rather why he

handed Afghanistan over to the Taliban.

And then blamed Biden for doing that

because Biden basically sort of carried on the exit

that had been triggered already.

Is that Yes.

How it worked.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He should have done a better exit is what they were complaining about.

Yeah.

But the exit had already been predetermined.

Yeah, well,

basically, uh, Trump had signed over all rights as long

as no US troops were attacked.

He didn't care what happened.

Yeah.

So 60% a definite no, America shouldn't be involved.

24% don't know.

Even amongst Republicans, 53% of Republicans say America

should not be involved.

24% don't know.

Only 23% say yes amongst Democrats.

65% say America shouldn't be involved.

Only 15% think that they should.

So that's a really telling statistic.

But Joe, the way that democracies work, and I'll get onto that in a minute,

doesn't matter what the people want.

The leaders of our democracies are just managing our nations completely

contrary to what most of the people want.

Yeah.

It's

only what the corporations want they care about.

Yes.

Or what the Israeli lobbyists want.

Well that,

Hmm.

There was a Gallup poll just talking about, um, sympathies and basically

showing that sympathy for Israelis is still higher than for Palestinians, but

it's getting close to a crossover point.

And, uh, sympathy for Palestinians back in 2003, 2005 was running around

15 to 18%, and that's up to 33.

Um, sort of pro-Israel used to be, um, around 60%, it's down to 46.

So there has been so much bad publicity for.

Israel that, um, opinion is shifting Joe towards, uh, Palestinians.

That'll cross over.

Yeah.

In the chat room, Andrew says, at least the Pentagon gets to

test real world in the field.

Testing of its B two stealth bombers and bunker busting bombs, uh, will

help in development of 2.0 versions.

Yeah, Joe, the bits I'm reading suggest it's unlikely that they

did actual real damage, but

yeah, I dunno.

Um, and apparently the B two is, I believe on its way to being retired anyway.

Being retired 'cause it's reached the end of, its

basically, whereas the B 52 just keeps on going.

Right.

But the B two is, um, mm-hmm.

That would make sense.

Hello to Alison as well in the chat room.

Mm. Okay.

So that was, um, attitudes on those things.

Um, Joe, how do we get here?

Again, these are my thoughts.

So any immoral and dangerous action that most citizens did not

want, and seemingly an action that Trump himself campaigned against.

We've got a small minority pressured and lobbied and threatened with sufficient

power to overcome the majority of Americans and the instincts of Trump.

In response, Western democracies like Australia, contrary to their

citizens' wishes, give approval and consent to the bombing.

It's the global South, which China, Russia, the Middle East Africa.

South America, most of Asia, they're the ones, many of whom are not democracies

that are condemning this bombing.

Um, I say clearly Western democracy is not delivering what it purports to

achieve, which supposed to be reflecting the wishes of its people, uh, money

via the military industrial complex.

The media mostly Murdoch and the Israel lobby have captured the

reins of Western governments.

We, the people are riding the horse, but we don't hold the reins.

That's, um, it's, it's a minority view that is taking over.

It is the tail wagging the dog, Joe.

And, um, this is not what most people want, but we're getting

it anyway, we're it or not.

Um.

How do we even get a small minority of, well, how do we even get a

minority Joe of ordinary citizens who do agree with this bombing?

Because I do look on Facebook and other stuff and see friends and former

friends Joe making, making comments or reproducing articles favorable about the

attack by America and Israel on Iran.

Well, because it's been whitewashed in the only new

sources they read seems to be,

it just, it's so disappointing.

So, um, so yeah, I see it on Facebook repeating pro-Israel

anti-Iran news articles.

Joe, we spent a lot of time in this podcast in the early years,

I. Basically talking about those crazy Muslim bureaucracies.

Mm-hmm.

And how bad things were.

And they are bad, but guys, something worse is happening.

Like it's one thing to force women to cover up with a heat jab or a Burke.

Mm-hmm.

But it is another thing to be blowing women and children up in pieces.

It was a surgical right by tens of thousands.

These wankers Joe, one of their first statements they'll make

is, ah, those CIE in Iran forcing women, what about women's rights?

And it's like, well, what about the Palestinian women and

children's rights to fucking live?

Don't worry about where your dress is for the moment at

least just to survive and eat.

I can't believe that these people are resorting to those sort of tropes

when there's something far more important going on life and death.

Well, but it's been going on forever.

Ah.

So I get it with Jewish Zionists totally indoctrinated by their culture.

I mean, I look at Jewish people that I know here in Australia

and I go, okay, I get it.

You're at Shabbat every Friday.

You are in a cultural bubble that of course you are gonna think that way.

And I don't really expect otherwise, but, but people outside that, that

sort of Jewish culture, Joe, who don't go to Shabbat every Friday

night for an indoctrination session.

Here's my theory.

I've got one person in particular in my mind when, um, when I'm

thinking this, well, two people in fact, but you know, one of them.

Mm-hmm.

You know, I think, and I think Joe, with these people, they believe that

liberal western democracies that have embraced the enlightenment principles.

Are the pinnacle of civilization and other good guys.

Other people are the bad guys or their leaders of the bad guys

and the general population are unfortunately uneducated savages.

And if the good guys, the liberal Western democracies are protecting liberal Western

democracies from threats, then anything is justified and the ends justify the means.

And when you are in the Pro Enlightenment tribe, you'll swallow your tribe's

propaganda and dismiss contrary evidence.

When you're in the pro Enlightenment tribe, you'll rationalize the actions

of your tribe no matter how heinous.

And consequently, Joe, these dupes will talk about women wearing veils

in Iran while ignoring women and children being blown up in Gaza.

They will talk about evil, aggressive Iranian leaders while ignoring the

genocidal Israelis and Americans.

What do you think, Joe, the theory of these, um, pro enlightenment people

who are, think they raise brown?

It's

probably a misnomer because I'm very pro enlightenment.

Mm-hmm.

I think it was a good thing.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, I, how I, I think we've drifted from our enlightenment to ideals.

Mm-hmm.

And I think the, the western world, the first world, whatever you wanna call it,

has become a tool of corporations who are more interested in profits than people.

Mm. And I think this is just a very extreme example of that, but I, I can

think of considerably, um, you know, uh, they are doing plenty of things

to us, the populace, um, that is just as detrimental, just not as obvious.

Mm-hmm.

And, you know, if, if not held to account, they will do whatever,

um, they can to make a profit and screw everybody in their health.

Mm-hmm.

This guy, uh, ho Grammar said on Twitter, historically, when Americans

suddenly care about women's rights in the Middle Eastern country,

those women are about to get bombed.

I think that's right.

Well, yeah, but of course they don't care about the woman

who was kept on life support even though she was dead brain dead.

Mm-hmm.

Just to serve as an incubator for a baby that's gonna be born

premature and disabled and properly won't survive for very long.

Yes.

A sort of a forced baby delivery in America.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Yeah.

You know, it's, it's a bit of a, there's an sort of inherent

racism element in all this.

I think.

Here's an interview, piers Morgan and George Galloway, which

encapsulates some of this I think.

Iran is presently the hero of the vast majority of people in the

world are rubbish, absolute rubbish.

The fact that you can't see that what a load of absolute nonsense.

Take your eyes off the posterior absolutely nonsense.

Tiny part of the world.

Nonsense, which is the western world.

You think the currently of the world, the world.

You think the rest of the world is America is with Iran.

You think the rest of the world is China is with Iran.

Yeah.

Russia is with Iran, Russia, China, all the Arabs are with Iran, Russia,

China, any other, your nose out of the North Korea of the tiny number of

people that you think are the world.

They're not the world.

The world is 8 billion people, right?

You are speaking for the little clique that leads a tiny

fraction of fewer than 1 billion.

Of the people of the world.

So just to be

clear, just to be clear, they cannot

see, as I suggested, beyond the end of your nose, as

I suggested, then you want to, you wanna put up as a defense for

Iran, that they're supported by China.

Russia did.

Did you mention North Korea?

That's a lot of people, isn't it?

Oh yeah.

But are they the kind of people in terms of their own regimes?

We should be taking as good supporters of these benevolent people in

Teran.

You're living under Kir Starr's regime for God's sake.

You're gonna blame the British for kir.

Starer the French are living under little macaron.

When did you get the right to decide that?

Seven eighths of the world's population cannot be considered valid because you,

PI Morgan don't like their regimes.

There was some, uh, straight talking there, Joe.

I mean, it, it would, I mean, I dunno.

They're both idiots.

Yes.

But it's a good point in that p Morgan was just, you've got to be kidding that

the majority of the world is behind Iran.

But this is, I I would say the majority of the world isn't

possibly the leaders of the majority of people in the world are

I

I, I think the average person doesn't give a damn.

I, I reckon the, the majority of the world, who,

well, you're

probably right, Joe, actually.

Yeah,

I, I reckon if you're in South America

or in Africa or somewhere, you'd go Iran.

What?

Yeah,

exactly.

Is that what you're saying?

I reckon if you poll 80% of, um, Indians, 80% of Chinese people, now that's

a quarter of the world's population.

Right.

And they'd go.

What, what's going on?

Because they're too busy with their own world and their own lives and,

you know, just because I reckon this

one's big enough, Joe, I reckon this one's big enough to

get through the attention span of

a lot

of these people.

I, I think it's

a, a bit arrogant to go just because the leader of a country with

a billion people means that they have the support of a billion people.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

So,

yeah.

I mean, I don't think there's gonna be any sympathy amongst the populace

of those countries for Israel and

probably not.

Yeah.

I reckon of the two, the one most likely to be correct would be

Galloway rather than p Morgan.

Yeah.

But I wouldn't say there's much in it.

Right.

All right.

Um, Andrew's put up a, uh, Alex put up a link about, uh.

Awful things people are doing.

Um, and says Murdoch Press has them well trained.

Um, yeah.

Okay.

What else have I got here next?

Um, so as Chris Hedges points out, Joe, you just get these same people trotted

out as experts to talk on panel shows.

And, uh, as he writes, all the girls who sold us these past walls on false

pretenses, such as conservative talk show host Mark Levin, max Boot David

from John Bolton, general Jack Keen, Newt Gingrich, Sean Hannity, Thomas

Friedman have returned to saturate the airways with breathless fearmongering.

These cheerleaders of war, once they are proven wrong, are

adept at issuing mere culpas.

They assure us of their good intentions.

They did not mean to pedal disinformation.

They only wanted to keep the world safe from evil doers and

protect our national security.

No one, even those within the bush.

And now Trump administrations are intentionally dishonest.

It's not their fault if they act on flawed intelligence.

The problem is one of judgment, not virtue they are good people, but hedges rights.

But this perhaps is the biggest lie.

Intelligence assessments used to justify the war against Iraq were

cooked up by a cabal of lunatic neoconservatives and rabid Zionists

'cause they did not like the assessments of the Central intelligence agency

and other intelligence agencies.

Now another cabal dominated by Israel thirsts is concocting bogus intelligence

assessments to justify a war with Iran.

These wars are not prosecuted in good faith.

They are not based on a careful and rational assessment.

They are utopian visions severed from reality.

Where our own intelligence agencies are ignored along with international

bodies such as the United Nations.

Um, let me see.

The pimps of war who orchestrate these military fiascos have

risen once again from the crypt.

Uh, they migrate like zombies from administration to administration and they

are ensconced in thinks think tanks, which he, uh, names funded by corporations,

the lobby and the war industry.

They're puppets jerked up and down by their masters given megaphones by bankrupt

media urging us forward from one clock by to the next and it's all happening again.

So, oh, I think I saw a little bit Joe of seven 30 report and, uh,

a former member of a conservative government's public service,

Paolo or someone like that was trotted out giving his opinion on

something, and I'm just going, what?

A, B, C and David Spears, why are you trotting out that guy?

And he of course gave a a, a version of events and I was like, well,

where's the contrary version spears?

Like, where is it?

But no, we didn't get that.

So we just got a one-sided view as we typically do from the A, B, C.

And if you are a dissenter, uh, in the system, then you just get sacked.

So us Colonel Nathan McCormack, head of the Levant and Egyptian branch of the

joint Chiefs of Staffs J five planning directorate, was moved from his position

after he criticized Washington's unwavering support for Israel.

He had written things like our worst ally.

We get literally nothing out of the partnership other than the

enmity of millions of people.

Uh, he said that in a post which was discovered.

He, he had it in a semi-anonymous X account, but the Jewish news syndicate

tracked him down and linked it to him and made it public and how he's being sacked.

So, um, so Joe, if you, if you are wondering how do we get in this

position where people in power are all in lockstep on this shit, even

though of a huge part of the population doesn't agree and a huge part of the

intelligence service doesn't agree.

And aren't there people there who are gonna object to this?

Well, when they do object, they just get sacked.

I was gonna say, do you remember Robin Cook UK Labor mp?

Mm-hmm.

Uh, who resigned in 2003, uh, was a cabinet member and resigned over the fact

that Britain was gonna go to war in Iraq.

There you go.

Yep.

So either sacked or resign.

Yep.

And these monsters continue on.

That's, there's no stopping them.

Yeah.

So this guy tried to hide his stuff in a semi-anonymous, um, social media

posts, but, uh, got track got tracked down by the Jewish news syndicate.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, if you are wondering how captured the S of A in other

democracies are by the Jewish lobby, um, I'm about to play you a clip.

This is Trump's State Department spokesperson, Tammy Bruce.

So Joe, this continues to amaze me that so much of American communication

is done by these spokespeople.

Mm-hmm.

Come out in front rather than the real people, but she's one of them.

And this is what she was said in an interview.

Spin Doctors, I think was the old name for them.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, but spin doctors often are in the shadows here in Australia.

Yeah.

Behind the scenes, creating the sound bites and the phrases, but still the

politicians go out and give them, whereas in America, they have these

spokespeople, but he, here's Tammy Bruce, one of these spokespeople.

The, the pride of being able to be here and do work that facilitates,

uh, making things better for people, uh, and in the greatest country on

earth next to Israel, um, it is, uh, it's an honor to be able to make a

difference and to be able to speak

the greatest country on earth.

Next to Israel.

Like this is the American mm-hmm.

Spokesperson, state Department spokesperson.

And she says something like that.

It's by what metric for either of them.

Well, that's right.

But, but you would think in that position, uh, it's just great to be

able to help America, the greatest country on earth next to Israel.

Oh, by

GDPI suppose us.

Dunno about Israel.

Yeah.

You know, talk about a captured, um, country when your spokes state

department spokesperson, um, qualifies.

They're not actually the best country on earth.

That's right.

And in fact, Israel is, mm. I looked up a, um, Wikipedia just to see if she was, um,

you know, Israeli or Jewish background.

Doesn't seem to be, she was originally a lefty and became conservative.

Um.

Sort of heavily involved in feminism and um, is a pro-choice lesbian,

um, which just demonstrates Joe, that diversity, inequality and

identity issues, uh, count for

nothing.

You actually, well you see, Israel would allow her to be

lesbian, whereas Iran wouldn't.

True

maybe.

Um, but yeah, just because you've got diversity of cultures and genders

and sexual preferences doesn't mean you get any better results.

It just is an opportunity for those minority groups to fuck it up as

much as, as badly as the others.

Yeah, as badly as the old white men do.

Just demonstrates that like you, you don't need diversity of these identities.

You need

diversity of class warfare issues, I think.

But anyway, that was Tammy Bruce.

Uh, what else have I got here?

The Democrats overall, like I was talking to, um, I was talking

to my wife about this one.

Joe is like, she's just shaking her head as she's looking at this news

items and going like, bloody Trump.

And I said it would've been the same under a Democrats.

Like if Kamala Harris Joe was in charge, do you think it would be any different?

Uh, maybe she wouldn't have been quite so ous to the Israeli

lobby, but there'd be an awful lot of pressure on her to do so.

Mm. Wonder if there's an Epstein file on her?

Yeah, I don't think so.

Well, that was one of the hypothesis is, wasn't it?

Yes.

That he was being funded by.

Uh, Mossad.

Yeah.

Well, or threatened by them, uh, Trump in that they had some dirt

on him from that sort of stuff.

Oh, no, no, no.

Epstein Epstein was being

funded.

Yeah.

Well, it would make sense, wouldn't it?

Imagine if you were Mossad and you thought there's all these

powerful people doing naughty stuff.

Let's, um, let's make it happen so we can get the dirt on them if they're ever

in a position where we might need them.

Yeah.

It would make sense.

I, I don't know

that they were going out and doing dirty stuff on their

own, but given the opportunity to partake, they willingly partook.

Yes.

So it would make sense for Mossad to go, well, let's help

this little enterprise along.

Mm-hmm.

And, um, we'll record whatever happens and save it for a rainy day.

Yeah.

Ah, Chris says, have you guys seen any of the Election Truth Alliance stuff?

The guys looking into these statistics of previous US elections.

No.

James says Hello.

Hello James.

Um, Alex says, lobbyists clearing the way for war, Scott Morrison took up

a role promoting military interests.

Lots of others going through the revolving door of politics, that he's true that

because Rugby Australia wouldn't have him.

Yes.

Smart move.

Mm-hmm.

Nobody would want him.

No.

And the only reason the military industrial complex would

take him was to demonstrate to existing members of Parliament,

look, we'll give a job to anybody.

Even this fuck with Scott Morrison will get a job here.

So do the right thing by us as

you tow the line.

Yeah.

Yes.

Do the right thing by us.

And literally anyone will get a job including that bozo.

And here's evidence.

We've given him a job so you can count on us.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

I did see a. And I can recommend this.

John Stewart has a podcast and he had Christian Armour and I don't

know if you know who that is.

Whose podcast was this?

Sorry?

Whose podcast was this?

John Stewart.

Oh, yes.

Um, so she is the lead anchor for CN.

Mm-hmm.

And she's half Iranian.

Mm-hmm.

So she has a lot of friend and family in Iran and was saying that, you know,

this is completely, um, counterintuitive.

All you've done is, rather than having the people pissed off at the

regime, they're now all getting behind it because they're their saviors.

Yep.

Idiots, uh, in America think that somehow this is going to

potentially lead to regime change.

And in fact it's going to do exactly the opposite because

even people who hate the regime.

Um, recognize that they don't want foreigners taking over.

They've seen that play out mm-hmm.

In countless other countries.

And the Iranians are not Dills Joe.

There's a lot of smart people, uh, in Iran, Iranians I've dealt

with over the years have all been particularly smart people.

And, um, and they were like, well, okay, we don't like our regime, but

we are gonna stand behind whatever regime's in place to, um, fight off

this enemy attack by these foreigners.

And we'll deal with the regime at another time in another place, but for

the moment, we need to band together.

So, so the thought that this could change lead to regime change, uh,

it's going to do exactly the opposite unless, of course, Joe, you were to

follow up the bombing with some sort of.

Ground force and tanks and troops.

Yeah.

And storm the capitol.

And, and, and that's not gonna happen.

'cause it's just too hard.

Well,

Iraq tried.

Yes.

So, um, yeah.

And uh, they, they won't have the stomach for that.

Um, I wouldn't have thought.

Um, but yeah.

What did I say about regime change?

So, um,

uh, yeah, people are saying that, and you've got idiots like, um,

John Bolton thinking that this is gonna lead to regime change.

I think I've got a clip of him.

Um, Joe, he's the guy we met, we mentioned last week.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, the joke and the shovel was that upon hearing about the bombing of

Iran, he had to be, um, hospitalized because of a five hour erection.

Was that, that was that guy.

Yeah.

So

he was Trump's.

Something minister in the previous cabinet.

Yes.

Uh, he'd never seen a cue that he didn't like.

And he who,

who hates, uh, Trump now.

Yeah.

So dickheads like this at this moment, these moments in history, sorry,

dear listener for the language by the way.

But it's hard not to just be so scathing of these guys, gets trotted out on,

uh, panels to give his 2 cents worth and say stupid things like, uh, this

for being here.

Uh, were you surprised that President Trump took such decisive action?

Well, let me say this unequivocally.

I think President Trump made the right decision for America to attack

Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Um, and I think we're on the verge of potentially, uh.

Uh, seeing regime change in Iran as, as part of that, I think this, this is

a, a huge change in the Middle East.

It was a decisive action.

It was the right thing to do.

I thought somebody should do it for a long time, but better late than never.

Yeah.

So he thinks it's gonna lead to regime change.

Um, um,

yeah.

You don't topple governments with an air campaign and bombardment alone.

You need, um, a full scale invasion.

Um,

well, unless the populace is ready.

Yeah.

Um, but that just doesn't look like it's anything like that.

No.

In the Iranian case.

Yeah.

International law, international rule of law.

Um, well, they're two different things, aren't they?

Joe?

We've mentioned before that the mm-hmm.

Rules based international order, I think it was the phrase.

Yep.

That was invented by, um, Kevin Rudd.

He was the one who came up with that phrase in the first place because he

wanted to talk about situations which weren't actually about international

law, you know, treaties mm-hmm.

And actual law, but the conventions that had been built up.

Yeah.

Conveniently in favor of Western powers, especially the United States as, as you

know, the international rules-based order.

And, um, where was I heading with that?

Um, but, so if I'm talking about international law, that's quite different

to the international Rules based order.

But, um, uh, Greg Barnes writing in the John UE blog, I think

Greg Barnes is some sort of, um.

Senior council or something like that.

I think he's got some sort of legal qualifications.

Have I got it here?

Um, might have no, I didn't include that in this, in these notes.

But, uh, he says, what's missing from the discourse?

Um, it's a clear breach of international law.

Um, he says, uh, a betrayal of the so-called rules-based order.

Apparently, the rules-based order and respect for international law

only applies to those nations who are not allies, China, Russia, and

Iran, but Israel and it's back, the United States are off the hook.

So why are Israel's actions unlawful?

Under Article two, subsection four of the 1945 UN Charter, it states

members must refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial

integrity or political independence of any state or any other manner

inconsistent with the UN's purposes.

Now the, uh, us and others might try and rely on Article 51 that preserves

the right to self-defense and that Article 51 says, nothing in the present

charter shall impair or in, uh, shall impair the inherent right of individual

or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a member of the

United Nations Until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain

international peace and security.

Israel, he says, has no basis for recourse under Article 51, despite

what Penny Wong and Richard Miles claim that's within its rights to do so.

He says Iran is, um, actually he's quoting here, professor Ben Saul

from the University of Sydney.

Iran is obviously not attacking Israel with nuclear weapons.

It's also not about to attack Israel, given it has not built a single

nuclear weapon, let alone indicated a specific threat to use one.

So, um, the neocons in America and elsewhere have invented the

idea of anticipatory self-defense, Joe, where you say, well, it looks

like those guys might get a bomb.

Um, so we in self-defense can hit them now.

Uh, he writes, it's intellectually untenable because it means any

nation can decide another might be a threat and therefore invade it.

Oh, you mean like Russia did in Ukraine?

Well, yes, but it's a concept being trotted out again by the usual

suspects to justify Israel's conduct.

So, so, um.

So, yeah, it's a, uh, a situation where, um, total breach of international law.

But um, hey, it's America and it's Israel.

So that's all good.

Ah,

what else have I got here?

Remember Tulsi gala, Gabard Joe last week?

Try trying to forget her.

Yeah.

'cause I said to you, wouldn't it be handy if, say three months ago?

Mm-hmm.

Um, the intelligence assessment was known.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And she pretty much categorically said, yep, no problem there in fact,

and got in trouble for it, apparently.

Yes.

She said The inter uh, the, uh, intelligence community

continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon.

Supreme Leader Kamani has not authorized the nuclear weapons program.

He suspended in 2003.

Pretty clear cut, you would've thought.

But, uh, that of course was not what Trump wanted to hear.

And Tulsi Gabbard came out and said in a tweet just in the last

day or so, the dishonest media is intentionally taking my testimony out

of context and spreading fake news as a way to manufacture Division.

America has intelligence that Iran is at the point that it can produce a

nuclear weapon within weeks to months if they decide to finalize the assembly.

President Trump has been clear that can't happen.

And I agree.

Bit of a flip flop there, Joe.

Yeah.

Seems to me bit of a flip flop.

So, um, so, so did she give what context the quote was in, um.

No, she didn't.

Um, she did not say how she'd been misquoted.

She just said that the media had qui misquoted her, by the way, back in 2020,

um, when she wasn't working for Trump.

This is what she had to say about Trump.

President Trump says that he doesn't want war with Iran, but

that's exactly what he wants because that's exactly what Saudi Arabia,

Netanyahu, Al-Qaeda, Bolton Haley and other neocons and neo libs want.

That's what he puts first, not America.

There's no shame amongst these people, Joe, as they

flip floop

from one position to another.

Well, looking, looking, forget JD Vance was a nevertrump.

Yeah.

Whether it was five years ago or whether it was one day ago.

It's like, oh, if something I said was inconvenient, then really just, it's.

Don't worry about that.

We'll just move on and we'll say completely the opposite.

Yeah.

And blame

the media

for, for

misleading us.

So, uh, Deb bought off by a nice sofa.

Yeah.

Trump was confronted about, uh, what she had said.

Now what she had said sort of, uh, in three months ago.

And, um, this is how he reacted.

I think the audio, this might be a bit shaky, but we'll see.

What if it comes through?

Well then my intelligence community is wrong.

Who in the intelligence community said that?

You're director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.

Uh, she's,

that's it.

She's just wrong.

So, um, so when it comes to Trump's justification for bombing Iran's

nuclear facilities, despite the intelligence community telling him

it's not a threat, he just says, I've looked at it and they're wrong.

Yeah.

And therefore I can just launch.

Anybody who disagrees with my current version of reality is Rob.

Yes.

And under the, um, sort of interpretation of self-defense, if I

think somebody might attack me or one of my allies, then I can just bomb them

straight up as a matter of self-defense.

If it just, if I get the feeling in my waters

that this is gonna happen.

It's that classic MythBusters quote, I reject your version of reality

and substitute it with my own.

Yes.

Yeah.

Where we live in Orwellian times, don't we, Joe?

Mm. Yeah.

So, um, was there new intelligence?

So, um, this is Peter Hegseth, US Secretary of Defense.

So he was asked, Hey, Chelsea Gabard just a couple of months ago said,

no threat from Iran is the general.

Intelligence, community opinion.

How come you are now saying there is a threat?

And this is what Pete, Seth had to say

there.

Uh, thank you.

Um, Mr. Secretary, uh, concerning the justification for the strikes in March,

uh, the office of, of the director of National Intelligence released their

threat assessment, uh, concluding quote, Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and

Khomeini has not authorized the nuclear programs he suspended in 2003 on quote.

So what new intelligence does the US have since then that the Orion's have

changed their position on nuclear weapons?

And does this new intelligence come from US sources and methods, or are we getting

this information from other countries?

Well, I would just simply say the, the president's made it very clear.

He's looked at all of this, all of the intelligence, all of the information,

uh, and come to the conclusion that the Iranian nuclear program is a threat,

uh, and was willing to take, uh, this precision operation to neutralize that

threat in order to advance American national interests, reduced the Iranian

nuclear program, and obviously collective self-defense of ourself and our allies.

So he looked at all of it, understood the nature of the

threat, and took bold action.

I think the American people, uh, would expect in a commander in chief.

That's all we've got.

Thank you very much.

Appreciate it, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you.

He plucked this opinion out of his ass, and, uh, I'm gonna

say anything to justify it.

That's it.

It doesn't matter what the experts say.

Mm. He

came to his own conclusion.

It completely contradicts that.

And, um, and there you go.

That's where we're at.

And, uh.

That's his answer.

Yeah.

Um, JD Vance.

Oh, I did, I don't think I put the clip in this bunch.

I

think it was 'cause tulsi wasn't included from the signal chat and

therefore she didn't get the update.

Yes.

Maybe that's it.

Uh, don't have the JD Vance one, but, um, what did, um, um, he said basically,

I empathize with Americans who are exhausted after 25 years of foreign

entanglements in the Middle East.

I understand the concern, but the difference is back then

we had a dumb precedence.

That's essentially what JD Vance said is Yeah.

Yeah.

It was bad in the past, but we had dumb presidents.

Sure.

Whereas this president is so, so intelligent.

Yes.

You know, because he told you so.

Yeah.

Uh, Israeli officials, how was the bombing effective?

Israeli officials and senior American officials have told the New York Times.

That the US bombing of Iran's underground for nuclear site

didn't destroy the facility despite President Trump's pronouncements.

Um, two Israeli officials told the paper that the initial assessment by the

military, um, based on satellite images, what the, was at the strikes, seriously

damaged, but didn't completely destroy it.

Um, blah, blah, blah.

We'll see how that pans out.

Um, oh, what does Stan in the UK say?

Joe?

He says Iran should return to the negotiating table.

The problem is Iran was at the fucking negotiating table.

Yes.

When it got bombed, like they were negotiating, they

were in the middle of it.

Next one planned for like on the Monday after the weekend.

They got bombed.

Yes, but he

doesn't want the

US to

invade the uk, so he's

gotta play along.

So telling the Iranians, well, you better return to the negotiating table.

We're just waiting to clear the dust off the table from all

the bombing that's occurred.

God's sake, even the Iranian foreign minister says, some countries

have called me and said, return to diplomacy, and I replied to them.

But we were already in the middle of diplomacy when we got attacked.

What diplomacy?

Yeah.

What did Albanese say?

Um,

uh, at a press conference, the Prime Minister begins by saying, the world

has long agreed that Iran cannot be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon.

We support action to prevent that.

Thanks a lot, Albanese, essentially green lighting, what the Americans did, um,

uh, greens.

David Chu said, um, we need to clarify where the playing

gap was used in this attack.

Yeah.

I mean, apparently the P twos took off from Diego Garcia.

Mm-hmm.

And there's questions about whether the UK is in violation

of international law for that,

whether the UK is,

yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Um, old labor guys like Doug Cameron are saying that labor members

should join labor against war.

I think some of the old labor guys are pretty pissed with

this current bunch with mm-hmm.

How they're doing this.

And, um,

um, well, Tony Blair was kind of the beginning of the

end of UK labor, wasn't he?

Yes, he was.

Um.

Just some humor, Joe, to finish up with three humorous ones, uh,

from the shovel headline, barren Trump diagnosed with bone spurs.

Pure coincidence.

What a surprise,

Caitlin Johnson says, stop being so hard on Trump.

You'd probably attack Iran too if someone was threatening to leak

your child molestation video.

And, um, we'll finish off Joe with, um, Martin Sheen, uh, telling a great

story about Trump, which really, um,

oh, I think I've heard this one.

Yes.

Here we go.

Now I have a say.

I slightly surprised that Pi Morgan's doing it.

'cause he, I dunno if, you know, he's a

big Donald

Trump supporter,

and I know you are not a fan.

I'm really not.

I'm really not.

No, I am.

I am reminded of a time, um, about five years ago I was at a

dinner with my ex-wife, Brooke and her family and this and that.

And about halfway through, I, I, I, I noticed, um, Donald,

um, staring at my watch.

And so he started saying, you, you know, listen, I'm, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry that

I wasn't invited to your wedding, this and that, or I'm sorry, I can't make your

wedding and I think I didn't invite you.

Um, so, so he says, but you know, I wanna give you a, uh, an early wedding gift,

uh, as a gesture from me and Melania.

And she doesn't say a word.

She's very sweet and very pretty, but just kind of sits there, you know?

Yeah.

Uh, anywho.

So, uh, so he says, uh, these are, uh, these are platinum diamond Harry Winston.

And he pulls off his cufflings and he gives them to me.

And so I'm like, oh gosh, uh, Mr. Trump, you, you really shouldn't do this.

He goes, no, no.

It's, it's the least I can do.

And, you know, have a great marriage and all that.

Little did he know.

Um, so,

so,

so a smash cut to about six months later, I had a, uh, some jewelry

and getting appraised at the house, you know, and, and, and she finished and was

leaving and, and I said, oh, yeah, you know what, there's, there, there, there's

another, a couple of pieces that I have that I'm, that I'm very curious about.

Could, would you mind appraising these?

She said, no, uh, what are they?

I said, well, you know, I explained the dinner and this and that, and

these are from Donald Trump, Harry Winston, you know, flawless DS Platinum.

She, she took the loop, uh, spent about four seconds and, and kind

of recoiled from it, uh, much like people do from Trump and, um.

So she says, uh, in, in, in their finest moment, this is cheap

pewter and, and and bad zirconias.

And they're stamped Trump.

And I just thought, I just thought, what does this really say about the

man, you know, um, that he said, here's like a great wedding gift.

And it's just, it's just a bag of dog shit.

You know,

Graham Norton's always a great watch.

Just none of that surprises us, does it?

No.

Like, well, it would've been incredibly surprising if it really

was proper expensive jewelry.

Yeah.

It was always gonna be a heap of fake shit.

Just the man in charge of the most powerful country in the world.

Yeah.

He's a shy star,

just

making the

worst

decisions.

He, he is, he is a conman.

Through and through.

Yep.

Uh, and he's in charge of some pretty fierce weaponry.

Mm-hmm.

And, uh, what state of the world were in,

he conned enough Americans to vote for him.

Yeah.

Ah, let me see what's in the chat room here.

Um,

there's a YouTube video as to whether the election was rigged, and I

think really without some serious people behind it, I'm going, that's the same

sort of conspiracy that happened in 2020.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, and really we shouldn't be wasting time talking about it.

No.

And then another video, which is an AI generated of baby Trump.

Right.

Arguing with various people.

Okay.

That's in our chat.

Is that what's happening?

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, don't need those.

Um, let's see.

Um, what does Alex say?

One thing that's being made very clear recently is that if you are attacked

by a significantly more powerful enemy, large numbers of drones is

a much better type of weapon and large value, high impact equipment.

Iran will be going flat out re-arming with long range drones

with an emerging tech in high use.

Uh, might end up providing high tech drones to everyone

US does not want to have.

So, well,

it's been suggested that, um, mm-hmm.

That the, um, uh, the Ukrainian plan of the containerized, many drones

with a remote control, basically shipping containers with a bunch of

drones, with a remote control station sitting in the shipping container

being commanded from wherever.

And you could sail a ship, a container ship up the coast of wherever because,

you know, there are thousands of container ships floating around at any time, uh,

with thousands of containers on board.

And, um, you could launch an attack on, uh.

An installation with very little that you could do against it.

Hmm.

Uh, apparently after this attack, a lot of, uh, air base

commanders are seriously shitting themselves as to how the hell do we

counter against this sort of thing.

Hmm.

There's one country in the world that I think of, uh, if you were trying

to get lots of drones manufactured and, uh, Ukraine in China, no.

Okay.

China, they've got the manufacturing capacity, so, uh, and they and

Russia are still sort of keen, I think, to look after Iran.

They wouldn't wanna see Iran toppled.

So, uh, it wouldn't surprise me if they agreed to provide plenty

of drones to Iran down the track.

Keep them outta the clutches of America.

I, I have heard apparently Straits of ho are likely to be shut.

Mm-hmm.

One of the options,

which well, yeah, uh, just any traffic going through

there is gonna get attacked.

Mm-hmm.

Well, there you go.

Dear listener, that is an up-to-date review of what the hell is happening

over there in that part of the world.

We'll see what, um, more shit fuckery, eventuates over the next seven days.

We'll be back, uh, we'll be back next week.

Bye for now.

And it's a good note from him.