00:00:06 Sayan: Something almost poetic about the fact that the human body is mostly water. Yet most of us walk around dehydrated. But. And what if hydration isn't just about quenching thirst, but about fueling intelligence at the cellular level? Right. And tonight we will be exploring that.

00:00:25 Sayan: Right. Welcome back to another episode of Healing Horizons, where we explore integrative ideas that stretch how we understand health and what's possible when we align with the body instead of fighting it. I'm your host, and some of you would know. And joining us today is David Martin, uh, an inventor, researcher, global strategist and someone whose work has spanned advanced medical innovation, behavioral science, economic justice and enterprise transformation. And today we are focusing on something deeply, uh, I would say profound, uh, hydration and specifically hydrogen enriched water through eco H2O. So I invite you all to join me on this conversation where we would be talking about understanding water differently, not as a commodity, but as a biological tool. So, David, welcome to the show. It's a pleasure to have you here along with me. And, you know, I'm excited to, uh, dig deeper, perhaps on the R&D side of things. But again, uh, it's exciting. It's exciting to have you here with me.

00:01:31 Dr. David Martin: It is such an honor to be here. I'm deeply grateful for this moment. Thank you.

00:01:36 Sayan: I know the pleasure's, uh, truly my David. And, you know, before we talk about before we jump on to, I would say, uh, the R&D side of things, like I said, uh, I mean, if you talk about your career, David, I think it has covered extraordinarily complex systems, right? I mean, from, uh, tumor targeting technologies to decoding communication intention. So I'm curious as to what made you turn your attention towards something as foundational as water?

00:02:05 Dr. David Martin: Well, so first of all, beautiful question. And if you think about the simplicity of the way energy from outside of our bodies interacts with our body, there is no substance on Earth that is more important than water because water nourishes us. It literally gives us form. It is what we use for hygiene. It's what we use for ceremony. It's what we use for all of these amazing features. And yet we take it for such. Granted, we, you know, we turn on the tap or we or we put on a hose or, and we don't sit in the awe and reverence of a molecule that was designed and architected truly for the entire enterprise of life. Like this is a molecule that is the fuel. It is the it's the flow. It is the nature of life and the idea that we can look at it and just go, oh, it's just water, you know, is is a dismissal of the sacred, the sacred element of of what it is. And so I'm deeply fascinated by its structure. I'm deeply fascinated by the way the molecule is such a magical instructor of how life can organize. Um, it teaches, it does so many things. So why not spend time diving into what I would say is a code of life like this? Why not?

00:03:56 Sayan: Beautiful. Beautiful, indeed. And as some of you, I mean, some of us would remember from our elementary school, uh, that we, you know, we are taught that water is an universal solvent, right? Um, and indeed, I mean, if you if you think about water, um, it does I mean, has these crazy kind of properties where I believe, as far as I could remember, uh, it was something around, uh, uh, contraction under four degree Celsius. So I'm, I'm trying to think hard enough, you know, of what I, uh, could recall back from my school days, but, yeah, it indeed has some, you know, crazy properties. Uh, but, David, when you say, you know that it's the foundation of science, I mean, I mean, sorry, uh, molecular life, right? Uh, and if you trace back to the research side of things as well, I mean, water indeed became became that or gave that surface area for life to emerge. So what exactly in water is so, you know, exotic, uh, would you say, uh, I mean, that's different from any other kind of, uh, liquid. Yeah.

00:05:00 Dr. David Martin: Well, I think, um, in many respects it exists, um, so explicitly as what I would refer to as a code of nature. Now people can get metaphysical about this, or they can get very grounded or however they want to look at it. But I will say this. I see the universe operating with three principles. The one principle is that the universe is persistent. It keeps going and going and going. And that's an amazing, beautiful thing. It just is. The second thing is it's generative, meaning that it is in service to something other than just itself. So it's always serving. It's always in a state where it is not going to define itself by how it is used, but it is always in service. And the third principle is a bit of a tickly word, but we'll go ahead and go there. I say it's infinitely orthogonal, and by that what I mean is that no matter how you look at it, its perspective doesn't change. You can reframe your perspective, but it doesn't change water. If it's a steam or a vapor, water if it's flowing water, if it's ice, water hasn't changed. What has changed is our perspective and our perception of it. So water. And that's why I think ancient traditions always referred to water as the water of life. Why do we have that metaphor, the water of life and why do we have healing waters? And why do we have all of these metaphors in in Religion of Water? The reason for me is really simple. It is the ultimate teacher if we allow it to teach, If we allow the principle that it holds those two hydrogens, that one oxygen as they dance together, they are the ultimate teacher of every principle that we would ever need to do to understand life. We would never need another teacher. And so those principles, in my view, are the reason why it's so universal. It can carry red blood cells. It can, you know, build interstitial fluid, it can repair, it can cleanse, it can carry, it can, you know, form structure. It can retain the wisdom of ages in ice sheets. Right? It can do all of these things and we can go, well, it's just simply water. No it's not. Yeah. It's the beautiful, amazing complexity that is water. And it's that's why. How can you not love it? Right. How can you not love it?

00:07:56 Sayan: Yeah. Yeah, indeed. And as you were talking about, uh, the third perspective of yours, I think it kind of threw me back to thinking about, uh, relativity. Special relativity. But I believe that's a topic for some other conversation. Yeah, but okay, I, I see, I see where we are going with this. So let's start with this. All right. Since we are talking about water, you know, most people would assume that hydration is just about thinking, uh, I'm sorry, drinking enough water a day, right? Like eight glasses a day, and you're good. Uh, but what does exactly fall short there, David, if I may ask?

00:08:31 Dr. David Martin: So. So hydration is an interesting thing, and I'd like to introduce a concept because to understand the role of hydrogen water, specifically, we need to understand the role of why we take in any molecules at all. We have a very chemistry oriented view of the world, and we've had that view since the mid eighteen hundreds. Prior to that, we had a view of the world that was slightly different, and the view of the world that was slightly different prior to the mid eighteen hundreds was we were much more aware of frequencies, we were much more aware of vibration, we were much more aware that the universe was organized around harmonics. And what I would like to at least reintroduce is this idea that hydration is not just about a state of being either hydrated or dehydrated, because that's a very simple, blunt force way to describe it. But more importantly, it's about are we adequately in enriched with the substance that makes the the full form of ourselves fully animatable, fully aware, fully connected? Because as we see ourselves dehydrate, we become less conscious, we come less accusative. We become less a number of the things that are a fully functioning reality. And as we adequately hydrate, we find ourselves moving into our peak performance. So this idea of is there eight glasses? Is that the magic number? Well, probably not. Just like each person has its own configuration. You know, the great news is you'll know. You'll know when you are adequately hydrated. Because when you're adequately hydrated, your systems will be working right. Your urine production will happen, your gastric system will have appropriate motility. These things which are essential to life will be functioning. And if you don't have adequate hydration, those things will not be functioning. So. So you know, I'm not dogmatic about oh, you must have this amount of water or you must, You'll know. You'll know. Because inside of your body is the wisdom that says. When I'm fully functioning, I know I am. And when I'm not fully functioning, I also know I am. And my simple response is when you know you're not functioning well. Bathe. Drink. Reintroduce your body to water because water, the great teacher will actually teach you this amazing principle of getting back in alignment.

00:11:30 Sayan: Yeah, indeed. That's a very important distinction. I would say, you know, because I mean, as you said, it's true. The body isn't impressed by, you know, a, a substandard volume. Rather, it responds to compatibility like you, like you said. But now I'm curious about the hydrogen water aspect of things. So tell us more, Doctor David. Right. I mean, I've had a couple of conversations, uh, before, um, and, you know, I'm really curious about the part that, uh, you know, hydrogen water actually acts as a selective antioxidant, right? And that blew my mind. Uh, I mean, how does that really work? You know, in, in reducing the inflammation and, you know, chronic stress and so on and so forth.

00:12:13 Dr. David Martin: Yeah. So so that's a great question. And and what I would say is this in the native state of the human, the native state of our gut, when it's fully healthy, when we're taking in the appropriate amount of nutrients, the appropriate amount of trace elements, the appropriate amount of bacteria in a healthy gut. We used to produce significant amount of hydrogen gas in our gastrointestinal system. Tragically, for most of us, industrial nutrition has hijacked that. So we are not having our native production state occurring at the same level that our ancestors would have. And so putting hydrogen water into your normal consumption is in many respects remediating, not unlike a vitamin, not unlike a mineral, not unlike even other forms of nutrition. You are remediating what industrial influence has taken out of our ability to produce what's necessary. Because H2 is absolutely critical for endothelial cell behavior, it's absolutely critical for appropriate gastric absorption. It's absolutely critical for reduction of inflammation. These are principles that remember, when we have all of those problems, those problems impair all of our system. They don't just impair our ability to maybe absorb calories. They impair our ability to absorb all of the nutrients we need. Back when we did the the Gatorade studies at Ball State University back in the early nineties. You know, we talked about putting in, you know, electrolytes and and putting in glucose for, for appropriate metabolism and sport performance enhancement. But if you take a step back and you realize that if we're putting those supplements into a gut that has inflammation, that is unhealthy, where the vascular endothelial cells inside of the vascular beds around the gut are not able to absorb everything, we can pour all of the nutrients we want into the body, and we're not going to absorb the vast majority of what our body needs. So what does hydrogen do? Hydrogen heals that inflammation, brings that vascular bed into health. And then the appropriate functions of absorption, the appropriate functions of integration of nutrients, all of those things are possible. And then on top of that obviously you get the benefits of the rest of the anti-inflammatory. In anti-inflammatory response, you get the additional benefits of seeing a lot of chronic conditions, which are in all instances, related to vascular adequacy and nutritional adequacy. You see those things resolved. So hydrogen is not the be all and end all. But I would say it's a foundational piece of an appropriate nutritional pathway, because adding that explicit way of helping maintain a beautifully functioning system, a healthy, adequately functioning system gives us the ability then to take on all the other nourishment that our bodies require. And so that's why hydrogen specifically is such a critical piece of a appropriately healthy lifestyle.

00:15:51 Sayan: Um, yeah, I think that does answer the question in a much more practical way. Uh, and now if I think about the property of hydrogen water in itself. Right. To, uh, stabilize, uh, I would say, um, certain radicals like hydroxyl per se. Right. Uh, and I think it has, it has it has, uh, you know, this insane property of being an, uh, a selective antioxidant, right? So only those radicals that are harmful to the body, right? It it does anti oxidizes. Doctor David, I'm also concerned as to is there a threshold, um, you know, in the sense that that would be harmful to our body if we, if we, you know, uh, take beyond I mean, if we consume hydrogen water beyond that threshold.

00:16:46 Dr. David Martin: Yeah. That's a very beautiful question. And and the answer is hydrogen is a funny little molecule, H2. I mean the, the the atom itself. Yeah. Obviously H but you know, the way it shows up, H2 is actually somewhat amusing because it's kind of self-regulating. Um, as you know, hydrogen escapes everything because it's so small. Um, yeah, it's. Trying to hold on to, um, what what we would call too much, um, is, is kind of a bit of an oxymoron. Um, you know, if you look at the vast majority of the thousands of studies that have been done on hydrogen, water and hydrogen consumption, what you'll find is that usually at about four, maybe three and a half, four parts per million is where you see these wonderfully clinically, um, validated effects, um, in the echo flask that we, we use, um, you know, we try to get that closer to seven or eight parts per million. Um, and and somebody could say, well, if four is good, is eight twice as good? Well, the answer is no. Um, the reason why we can elevate that number and go from four to eight or to ten or whatever is because by the time we actually consume the water, some of that hydrogen is already escaped. So in many respects, what we're doing is we could argue over producing slightly so that by the time you drink it, the net volume of hydrogen you're actually consuming still stays above that four part per million threshold. Wow. But your question can you overdose on it? The answer is it would be very difficult. Now, I'm not saying that one could not have, in certain instances, a condition in which too much hydrogen might create certain issues. But what I would say is that the human body itself has these beautiful regulatory mechanisms built into it where too much of anything is outgassed. It's out filtered, it's, you know, it is disposed of in a proper way. And so, you know, just like, yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.

00:19:04 Sayan: Yeah. And I think sorry to interrupt what you're trying to imply, uh, is this, you know, uh, for for somebody to overdose on hydrogen water, technically, they should drink enough water. Water itself become a poison. Right? So we're talking about water poisoning because, like you, like you mentioned, it's four parts per million, but water tries to keep that limit to eight. Uh, but for you to reach that threshold, you would have to drink more than, I don't know, maybe eight of water a day. Eight to ten liters. Is that right?

00:19:36 Dr. David Martin: Yeah. Let's just let's just say that. That your body would tell you. No, a long, long, long time before you would get close to a too much. Um. Yeah. So. So, Yeah, I mean, it's it is a, um. Yeah, it's a self-regulating phenomenon. I mean, you listen, every person can abuse their body. Every person can. So. Yes. Could I drink too much water? Yes. Could I drink too much hydrogen water? Of course I could. But if you're listening, remember, this goes back to a very simple thing. If you're listening to the wisdom of your body, and you're listening to that wisdom and you're integrating that wisdom, then I can assure you that the wisdom of your body will say, this is sufficient. Thank you very much. Now let's go on with living. And then you come back and you have another drink. This is sufficient. Go on with living. We live in a world where we're not listening to the divine orchestra that paces life. And if we do that, then we realize there is no too much, too little. There is just right and just right is a wisdom that your body knows and your body will know it. And the beautiful thing is, add hydrogen to that water and your body will be a finely tuned instrument. You will have greater awareness, you'll have greater acuity, and you'll even be better at knowing what your body needs. So you kind of can't lose.

00:21:12 Sayan: Mhm. Yeah I think that really sums it up. And now it uh it makes a lot of sense now that you mentioned that is practically not possible to, you know, get uh, I mean I would say overdose on hydrogen water and uh, I think it, it comes, uh, you know, I can see only the advantages of hydrogen water purifier. Even I still read it. And I think, uh, David, since we are nearing the minute mark, uh, would love to ask. I mean, uh, perhaps, uh, for listeners who actually want to learn about eco hydrogen or, uh, also, I mean, uh, order a flask for with themselves, or explore your broader work around fully living. Where can they connect with you? Where can they find the product? Um, if you could share.

00:21:55 Dr. David Martin: Yeah. So echo H2O is where you can go to find the flasks. Um, and and my wife, Kim and I have been huge fans and users of hydrogen water. We we have been intimately involved with the company. Um, and we did it in large part because as as users of the product, we want to make sure that this gets available. Um, anybody who goes on and uses the code fully live, um, can actually get a discount. So you can put in the word fully live and, and, and get a discount, um, on the, on the flask if you'd like to, to order one. Um, and, and I would, I would just like to acknowledge the fact, um, that, that while she is not physically present with me, um, my wife, Kim, is very instrumental in helping find the way for people to access a better and more vital form of living, and and part of the reason why we're involved in the company is because of her conviction that this is so much a part of both our life and the life that we know, um, can help so many others. So I'm I'm delighted and honored that I'm on that team and, and, um, yeah, it's lovely to have this conversation with you. Thank you so much.

00:23:19 Sayan: Doctor David. It's a it's a, you know, honor to have, uh, this, this much of wisdom and clarity, uh, knowing that, uh, you know, I think we are slowly moving towards that direction where I think hydrogen water would become a norm, uh, for so many of our, so many of us in our daily lives. Because, like you said, right? It does take care of the gut health in a way that I don't think there are any, any, you know, on this level of oxidant, antioxidant, rather, uh, that that could do the work. Uh, so I think that's the best way to wrap this up on, uh, so for listeners who are listening to this, uh, I just want to let you know that when you think about hydration, uh, I think it's a cellular strategy, right? Why not? We look at that way. And I think when we respect the intelligence of water, we respect the intelligence of the body. Um, so why not start with hydrogen water? And, uh, with that, uh, this has been healing horizons, and I'm your host. Uh, stay curious, stay informed, and keep exploring the horizons of healing.