00:31 - Jess White (Host)

So a huge welcome to the networking spark. Dr Tan, thank you so much for joining us. I'm really excited to have you here. Namaste. And I'd love to ask you first of all, what is the difference, in terms of pain relief, between taking a paracetamol and having one of your acupuncture treatments?

00:57 - Dr Tan (Guest)

One of my acupuncture needles. Well, first of all, taking paracetamol it's a chemical substance, right? Every chemical substance has an action, but also has a side effect, right? There's no medicine with an action and without a side effect. So that's one effect, so that's one. Second, if you take the medicine e.g. paracetamol, it still takes a while until the pain will ease, if it will go away 100 at all. So, having one of my needles by the way, if I may show, it's a tiny little needle like this one here- which doesn't hurt.

01:52

Well, it's a little tricky in comparison to can you see?

01:56 - Jess White (Host)

this here.

01:56 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Yes, in comparison to this, this is a normal acupuncture needle. This is a turbo acupuncture needle, okay, needle, this is a turbo acupuncture needle. Okay, so Turbo Acupuncture needle is a special, very special type of acupuncture and, um, having that needle can can have the effect that the pain goes away within seconds like this or an eye blink.

02:20

Right, that's the capacity which lies in this methodology of turbo acupuncture. It can be sometimes I need more than one needle, sometimes I need more than one point, but the capacity is one needle could do the job and very, very quickly.

02:44 - Jess White (Host)

So tell us about some of the patients that you've been able to help through your turbo acupuncture treatment.

02:47 - Dr Tan (Guest)

So it works for any kind of pain. It can be pain all over the body. It could be from headache to toe pain, heel spur. I had one patient with plantar fasciitis whose pain was so bad that he thought of imputating his foot. That bad it was right, and that was in around Easter last year. He received, I think it was, six needles. He said six needles, and it was within two or three minutes pain was gone. I met him again this year, so more than one year later, and it was still gone. It was still gone without having done anything else. This is exceptional. Normally it needs a few treatments because even though the pain is gone at first, it usually comes back next day after a few days. But if it comes back it's not that bad anymore.

03:54 - Jess White (Host)

So like it's maybe half, maybe two-thirds, maybe one-third of what it was before and we just need to do it a few times mmm and it will be good so how much of pain do you believe is physical sensation, sensation in the body, and is there any influence from the mind in terms of pain?

04:19 - Dr Tan (Guest)

well, I would say pain is pain initially. Every pain started at one time in point, at one point in time, right, it started, whether it was an injury, where it was a wrong movement, whatever it was. So there is pain, physical pain, and it could be that over time, right, the body and the mind and everything gets used to that kind of pain that even though the pain actually is not there anymore, that much the perception is still like it's still there, right? So scientifically you call it like it's the pain memory in your brain, right? However, it is, from my experience, no matter how long that pain has been there, no matter whether it's a week, a month, even years and decades, it can go away with this methodology very fast, very quickly incredible.

05:22 - Jess White (Host)

And how have you invented or created turbo acupuncture? Where has it come from?

05:28 - Dr Tan (Guest)

yeah, I did. This is a question I've been I've been asked frequently. It's like this I've been doing acupuncture for almost 30 years now. So when I started acupuncture um, by the way, I'm a western medical doctor by trade right and a dentist, and I started acupuncture during my dental study actually. However, this was about 30 years ago, almost 30 years ago, and during the past let's say not 30 years, but let's say 15 years maybe I had so many teachers, professors, teachers, doctors from all over the world, not only China, like Taiwan, japan, uk, us, germany, switzerland, also basically Israel, basically from all over the world, and I learned from all of them.

06:21

Not everything I learned.

06:23

I could use some things I find too complicated, not useful for me in daily practice, but, however, I combined different types and different styles and made it to what it is now and what it is now that I can use it or it's working for pain, any kind of pain, but not only for pain. It works for like asthma, it look, works for itching, it works for burning, anything you can feel, but shortness of breath asthma is a very good other indication and then I combined it, refined it, and it gets better, better, better, even now after so many years. So actually it was in the year of 2012, where I let's call it created this methodology and named it Turbo Acupuncture, because it's so fast and so powerful like a, like a turbo engine right there, porsche turbo that I there was a 2012, but I'm still today. I'm still learning from patients. Right, I do something and something unexpectedly happens, and then I put the put things together and I think, okay, this works for this also, and so this turbo acupuncture evolves, develops, gets even better hmm, hmm, incredible.

08:00 - Jess White (Host)

So tell us about what sort of where you're going with this and where. What sort of legacy do you want to leave?

08:09 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Yeah, the thing is I know it works and all my patients know it works.

08:14

And here in Stuttgart, Germany, I basically have, or I run, a private practice for acupuncture which is, to my knowledge, one of Europe's largest practices for acupuncture, which is, to my knowledge, one of europe's largest practices for acupuncture led by a physician, um, so they know, but I mean me and my colleagues here in stuttgart we can only serve people, patients from morning out the evening, from from monday to friday, right.

08:39

But there's so many people, patients out there suffering from pain, as I just said, like 23 million in Germany, 28 million in the UK, and they all, or most of them. I say most of them because this methodology is not 100% but it works like, say, in 19 out of 20 people, but 19 out of 20 is like 95%, so it's only a 5 percent non-responder rate. So which means out of those 23 in germany or 28 million in uk, 28 million pain patients uk, most of them shouldn't suffer from pain. They only suffer from pain because they don't know. So the patients don't know and their um therapists don't know that this methodology exists, right. So my mission is to bring this, spread this all over the world, right, which means people need to know about this so that every pain patients, wherever that patient is on the globe, has access to this methodology and can get rid of his pain and claim I say claim his or her birthright of being pain-free.

09:52 - Jess White (Host)

Because so many people are on painkillers that can lead to addiction, whereas this method is I Suppose you would call it natural new.

10:02 - Dr Tan (Guest)

It's just a needle call it natural no, no, no, no chemical, no chemical substance inside right. So just, and this needle is steel, right, and this needle is very thin. I mean it's the diameters of 0.8, not what point one, eight millimeter. And insertion depth is very, very shallow right, which means the amount of metal is so small, so so small, so it's less than 0.008 cubic millimeter, basically, but just that little piece of metal placed in the right spot in the human body makes all the difference whether a patient is in pain or out of pain.

10:53 - Jess White (Host)

This is crazy so how do you plan to spread this methodology around the world? Are you training others to do it?

11:04 - Dr Tan (Guest)

yeah, so I train other doctors and doctors and other eligible therapists to do this. So the fathers are in the US, there's some in in US, there is in Africa, even in in Cameroon. Last year I trained ten people there. There's none in the UK yet. There's one lady in Ireland, right, but there's none in the UK there. So I'm often in the UK and I'm asked when do I come next so I can help this or that people? I say, hey, what you need is not me, what you need is your local therapist so that you have access to this methodology anytime you need it. So I train doctors and other eligible therapists. Other eligible therapists means, depending on the country. It might be a physiotherapist, it might be a nurse, it might be a chiropractor or an osteopath, an orthopathic doctor. It depends on the law of the country, right. Who's who's eligible to penetrate the skin?

12:10 - Jess White (Host)

yeah, but but potentially an acupuncturist would be a good fit right.

12:17 - Dr Tan (Guest)

The thing is, you know that lady in ireland, she when I met her, that was like three, four years ago. She was an acupuncturist, own clinic, 26 years experience in acupuncture, right, but still she didn't know about this. By the way, she didn't know. In China, they don't even know. So I demonstrated this at Beijing University in 2018. They didn't know, right, I don't know it's, it's forgotten, it's I don't know why.

12:53

However, I think and this is just a fact acupuncturist who already already been doing acupuncture, they all think they know it all already, right, and it can't be that there is another so simple approach in acupuncture that they had missed it, right. So that's a little bit of obstacle. Yeah, I would say the ideal person would be either a medical doctor or, depending on the country, physiotherapist or nurse, maybe, who get trained and certified in this methodology, because for them, it will be really the quantum leap, right. A normal acupuncturist already serves his patients. It's not, especially when it comes pain. It won't be as easy as this and as quick as this turbo acupuncture. However, patients who have normal acupuncturists they already have some benefit, right, but, as I said, it would be a quantum leap for the normal medical doctor and physios and nurses, and that's a huge, huge potential hmm, what?

14:26 - Jess White (Host)

why is the needle so much shorter than a regular? Um the turbo acupuncture points.

14:38 - Dr Tan (Guest)

They are, uh, located at the fingers or at the toes, right. So if you want to place such a long needle at the finger or the toe, first of all is it difficult to target with a small needle. Is much easier because two back your puncture is all about, or very much about, precision, right, highly precise. So if you're off like 0.1 millimeter, it might not work or might not work so well. So it's about super precision. And then, even if you hit the point at the right spot with this long needle, because insertion that is just so very, very small, little like 0.2, 0.3 millimeters, this wouldn't hold, it's too heavy, right, it will fall out right, interesting.

15:32 - Jess White (Host)

So what? Um? So why do you think? Uh, nobody has taken it up in england as yet, because I know that you do have some, some patients in England and you do come over here, don't you?

15:42 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Yeah, patients. So I do not have, let's say, they are not regular patients. I don't do a clinic there. It's more that I'm over to the UK for some interesting events or trainings for myself in the first place. By the way, next week so no, this weekend, what it's they? Today's Wednesday, right. So on Saturday, sunday, I will be in London. Right, there's a London medical conference and I have been invited to the expert panel there and we'll have a presentation also on Sunday early afternoon. So that would be another occasion. But otherwise I'm interested in other events and once I'm at the event there are either the speakers or other participants who somehow I find out they have pain and I can easily help them, right, and so they become kind of patients. But it's not a regular clinic. I run there, although people already wanted to build a hospital for me, but I said, hey, I don't need a hospital, you need the local doctors, right?

16:47 - Jess White (Host)

that's much more um so for anyone listening, by the way, this episode is being filmed the day before it's coming out. So if you're happening to be listening on the day that it's come out, then dr Katan will be in the country this weekend and I think you do see people you know when you visit, don't, don't they how? Do people get in contact with you on site or if somebody wanted to know when you were next in the country someone perhaps that's listening in England how would they know?

17:22 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Yeah, so I have a group, a WhatsApp group you could join. Or the easiest way actually at the moment to get in touch with me are two ways. Get in touch with me are two ways. The one way is simple email right, drtan, drtan at turboacupuncturecom.

17:44 - Jess White (Host)

And we will link these all in the show notes, by the way, for anyone needing them and the other is my WhatsApp.

17:50 - Dr Tan (Guest)

That's the quickest way to reach me.

17:53 - Jess White (Host)

Cool. So we'll put the links in the show notes for anyone that's interested, so you can get in touch.

17:58 - Dr Tan (Guest)

for sure, put the links in the show notes for anyone that's interested so you can get it. Get in touch for sure. And I'm in the uk quite often. So before covid19 I was like nine times in in the us. But since covid19 I haven't been in the us anymore, but it was in the uk, like last year, I think 10 times. This year was already 10 times. So I'm quite often in the UK.

18:16 - Jess White (Host)

So do you feel you are living your purpose? Is this your thing? Turbo Acupuncture.

18:23 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Yeah, my purpose, my profession is my purpose. My purpose is my well, my profession is my passion and my passion is my purpose. Yes, it is. And as I said long, long long, I thought my purpose would, as a medical doctor, help patients getting better with their health, right. But after tuberous acupuncture I found out that I could have a bigger purpose, a bigger impact right by not only treating patients myself that only limited, as I mentioned earlier but by training other doctors. Right, if I train other doctors, there's so many patients can be helped, so many more patients can be helped so if somebody did want to come and train with you, how long does that take?

19:13 - Jess White (Host)

and then, what are they going to be immediately successful in being able to treat?

19:18 - Dr Tan (Guest)

pain. So that's the other side of acupuncture or turbo acupuncture, right, it's not only fast in application and fast in effect on the patient, like in instant, instant effect. If I say instant like, it's like this, right, it's like a eye blink. If it was, let's say, half a minute, a minute, that would be long. Right, if it was five minutes, that would be ultra long. But against the background of patients having pain, suffering from pain for years and decades, then even five minutes is short, right? So coming back to training, I mean, this is insane actually.

20:00

Um, everybody eligible, depending on the law of the country, can be trained in just one weekend. It's just one weekend from I call it from zero knowledge, right? No, no previous knowledge of acupuncture or Chinese medicine whatsoever. From zero to hero in just one weekend. That is the know-how transfer and I support that for a whole year, so for 12 months. Having a, let's say, call it an implementation support right, where people and it's also unique, non-heard of in this area of training I support them 24-7. At the moment, moment, I do it myself, at one point in time there will be a train train, the trainer program, where other people need to help me because I will not be able to handle it all myself, but they basically have 24 7 access for any questions and any difficulties that might appear. However, after this one weekend, on the next Monday, that doctor or acupuncturist or whoever got trained will be able to eliminate pain, as I can do it.

21:32 - Jess White (Host)

Excellent. Now, patient wise. What do you say to somebody that really wants to get rid of their pain but are scared of needles Because there are quite a lot of?

21:43 - Dr Tan (Guest)

people like that around. All right, okay, I see. I mean, let's be serious.

21:51

If somebody suffers from pain that's painful, cannot move, cannot work, cannot work, cannot sleep, right, and that is these kind of people patients, uh, mostly already tried everything right on medication, without medication, with operation, after operation, um, I mean the perspective. What is the perspective, right? Keeping the pain, staying in pain, and usually that pain will get worse over time, right, the chance that it will disappear itself is very, very low. So, having that perspective against a little needle, or let's say, a few needles, a little prick right, which is less than a second, and then these needles stay for about half an hour, right, is that comfortable? Is that not comfortable? I mean, it's half an hour, right, but that will help you for your life, if you're serious, uh, to get rid pain.

22:57

However, because these needles are much smaller than these normal acupuncture needles and if you apply them in a certain way, I mean there are different ways to insert a needle. I mean you can just poke it like this. That is painful, right. Or you use a special technique which I developed and which I called, named the tongue. My name is Tan, right, the tongue flip. It's a special technique, how to how to insert the needle. Basically, the needle will find it its way itself and it that's the most painless um way.

23:42 - Jess White (Host)

How to apply that needle yeah, because they're super tiny, super tiny. Now a little bird told me, you once met simon cowell. Is that correct?

23:53 - Dr Tan (Guest)

oh, yes, yes, yes, I had the privilege. Yes, it was in march or April this year.

23:57 - Jess White (Host)

Yeah, Uh-huh, uh-huh. What did you say to him?

24:01 - Dr Tan (Guest)

I said to him so if I have the chance. That is, by the way, something which happened through networking right, Very important.

24:13

Yeah, very important, can talk about that a bit more later on. Every time it happens that I have the chance to meet a celebrity like Simon Cowell I met in the US, I met Mel Gibson. I even interviewed Mel Gibson right or Michael Douglas, catherine Zeta-Jones If I have the chance, like this time, simon Cowell, I tell him about toolbar acupuncture, that there is a methodology to eliminate pain which is one little needle, and what I do is I give them as a little present, as a little gift, like a couple of needles, right, and I say to them hey, keep this in a safe place, because this is your insurance. Should you get in that situation that you have pain and it doesn't go away, you or your next of kin, just give me a ring, let me know, and I will tell you where to put a needle. That can save you well, not your life, but I mean it saves your pain, right.

25:17 - Jess White (Host)

So can you literally just tell people where to put it?

25:20 - Dr Tan (Guest)

over the phone. Well, I did it. I can do that, but that takes a lot of time and that is like spot here, spot there right. It's not a systematic approach to spread this methodology but in in emergency, if somebody has this needle right, of course you still need me. All you need to certified to back your puncture is who could tell you where to put a needle right and what did Simon say?

25:56

oh, he was grateful, was grateful, I don't know why. I hope he took it serious and have it in his in a safe place, because I don't wish anybody not Simon and not anybody else to get in that situation of severe pain, right, but if and he has those, those needles, in a safe place, then he's is good. If he doesn't have them and he remembers and he doesn't have the needles, well then he needs to suffer or quickly find and certified to back your punctures, which you don't have in the UK at the moment.

26:30

so I mean, this is the let's spread well call, call all doctors and call it with to get this into your arsenal, into your repertoire of therapeutic methodologies. This is a first-line treatment for pain and it's a global solution to pain and it's a global solution to pain.

26:56 - Jess White (Host)

Incredible, and I know firsthand because I'm in your WhatsApp group, so I know firsthand the beautiful testimonials that people give and the immense pain relief that you give them when you're over. And so if more doctors and acupuncturists were able to administer that, then that would make things a lot easier for sure. So this is a great way of spreading the word. Podcasting is a fantastic way of networking. Tell us about your experiences of networking and how important you feel it is to be doing it sounds like you know. You just said that you met Simon Cowell through networking, so tell us a bit more.

27:39 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Yes, networking is, in my opinion, is Meeting people, meeting people and then also exchange Thoughts and exchange opinions with people. And I mean everybody develops right. And what I learned not long ago, like I was at Matt Fidesz health and wealth and business summit last time there was somebody who said his name was pete cohen. He said the best thing that you ask somebody or that you speak about if you meet somebody at a networking event or just if you meet somebody, is not even telling what you do and what the other do, but ask this one question how can I help you? How can I help you? And you never know you. It might be directly, it might be over two or three other people, person, right, but I mean that's a fast track to get forward right and um it's not always about what you say with people.

29:03 - Jess White (Host)

It's how you make them feel that oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely yeah, absolutely, um, yeah, so and sorry, no, carry on.

29:15 - Dr Tan (Guest)

I. I just wanted to say what kind of impact that could have. Can have right, meet Simon Cowell, meet Mel Gibson, even interview Mel Gibson, making jokes with him on stage.

29:26 - Jess White (Host)

How did that happen? How did you get to interview Mel Gibson?

29:30 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Well, it was over. Well, let me think it was. I need to find the beginning of the story. What was the beginning of the story? Who was the first person I met so that it came to that and came to that? Who was it Actually? Really shorthand, I cannot remember how it started, but I remember how it ended. It ended that I found, or I met, somebody in America who has a great network, a big network of not only Hollywood A-celebrities, but that was what it was about, right so, and he gave his people, his clients, the opportunity to interview Hollywood ace celebrities, get pictures with them and so on, and that was my opportunity how I could have that interview with Mel Gibson and make jokes with him on stage.

30:40 - Jess White (Host)

That was your way.

30:41 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Yeah, another. Another thing is I was, um, um, I was invited to uh event called speakers arena, that's in Germany, hosted by a wonderful lady called Miranda Oben. First time I was, I was there, I was just listening, right, I was invited to listen and I saw what they do there and somehow I got warm with Miranda and the next year I was there as a speaker. Now we exchanged, exchanged so and so and so on. So she's from Cameroon, right? And years later, years later, she introduced me to somebody in cameroon, uh, dr nick. Dr nick, who is the founder of st louis university in duala, cameroon.

31:33

Duala is the second largest city in cameroon and that is how it came that I was able to train, and that is how it came that I was able to train 10 people in Cameroon in my methodology, that was last year nurses and physios and doctors. And now in two weeks' time I will host or co-host. Well, it's my conference that I host every year, but now I have a course in Cameroon which is the Pain Free Conference. So the Pain Free 2024 Conference. It will be the sixth world summit on turboacupuncture for instant pain elimination, which was held in Germany so far, but now it's the first time that's in a foreign country and it's in Africa. So it's just one person, miranda Oban, which opened the door to Africa right and now made it possible that turbo acupuncture is available in Africa.

32:36 - Jess White (Host)

I always say, behind every person there's a multitude of doors that can lead to other people, but I've never come across the expression behind somebody is a door that can open up into another country, a continent even or continent exactly so I guess, and this dr Nick.

32:55 - Dr Tan (Guest)

He introduced me. I still need to make that connection, but he introduced me to his colleague in india. That's another continent, right, india is a subcontinent, so hello. So networking is powerful, yeah. Yeah, it only needs one person. Not every person is the person, but it only needs one person. So, like we met somehow right. And all people who got to know you and maybe one day soon or later hear this podcast, they will know, they will learn about true acupuncture and they might be in terrible pain right or know somebody that is.

33:34 - Jess White (Host)

And that's the beauty of the. You know what we call this the networking spark, because networking, some people love it, some people hate it, but it can create sparks, it can make things happen, it can open doors, it can create connections. The word networking, if you split it up, is a net which is made up from lots of different points. So it's always worth going and finding out people, about people, but, as you say, showing up and saying how can I help you, rather than standing there and pitching at them. Um, is there any pain that you can't cure?

34:13 - Dr Tan (Guest)

oh yeah, yes, well, let's maybe start, if I I may start with which patient is difficult to treat. It's not about what kind of pain that patient has. It's more about how the patient can express himself or herself. So, if a patient cannot say where's the pain or, even worse, cannot say so, I do something and cannot say whether it's better or not. Right, that is difficult, that is difficult. It's better or not right, that is difficult, that is difficult. So, however, if patient can respond properly, there's still some kind of pain which is hard to treat. But, as I said earlier, it's only one in 20, right? 5%. It could be people, people with very low energy, because, um, acupuncture works with energy. Right, you need to move energy. If there's nothing to move, if there's no energy to move, you can make it better, right? Um, that's the one, um, very low energy and um so somebody with me for instance, yeah, could, could be with on.

35:25

I say, certain medication, certain medicine, certain type of medicine can make the self regulating mechanisms in organ, self regulating mechanisms in an organ, self-regulating mechanisms in an organism, work not so well. Which is like cortisone, other immunosuppressants, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, which does not mean that if somebody who's taking this medicine will not respond, but if there is somebody who does not respond, it could be due to this kind of medicine. Right, but it's very, very few, like five percent, 2.5, actually half of them, because the other half of them are lack of energy and do you have the like the easiest type of patient to treat or the most the high success?

36:24

rate. Actually, I say, I say and also say to my students every patient is easy. Every, not only every pain patients easy, every patient is easy to treat and to help, because behind this tuber acupuncture it's not people call it, it's like acupuncture it's not people call it, it's like magic. But it's not magic. Magic becomes logic if you know the how and the why. So it's all about logic.

36:51

There is a, there is system behind it. There's system, it is a, there's a, an algorithm behind it, how you, how the doctor, the therapist, that trained and certified therapist can identify and locate the right point. I mean, I hear a puppet acupuncture, puppet right acupuncture dog with all these lines. These are the Marines in these points there, like 365 points right, 364, 361, 360 plus points, regular classical Chinese acupuncture points. If you didn't have these points, if you didn't have these lines, there would be even 28 million possibilities to stick needle somewhere in the body. Right, however, in the world, would you know which is the point, even the 360? How would you know which one? Is it right, knowing turbo acupuncture, this number of points is reduced to down to just 12, right, that makes it so easy. But there's an algorithm.

38:01

When, for which pain. Do you need? Uh, which point? And if you know which point it is, then just put a needle in. Maybe the first doesn't work. If the first doesn't work, it's only because it was not accurate enough. Right it is. It can be just point one millimeter. So you look from a different angle and then you see, okay, it needs to be there, put the second needle in and then it works yeah, okay, wonderful.

38:24 - Jess White (Host)

Well, dr tan, that's incredibly amazing to hear about. Thank you so much. Are there any closing thoughts you'd like to leave us with?

38:33 - Dr Tan (Guest)

yes, the thing is two, two things maybe. Uh, one is a present. Well, three things. So if if you want to meet me, you get my contacts right, I have a present for all your audience, which is this is a best-selling book I had the privilege to co-author with Brian Tracy, right, so it's a multi-author books on ontology with different experts. I shared my expertise about pain and pain elimination in this book. Um, I'll be happy to share this as an e-book right to your audience, whoever's interested.

39:16

Thank, you so much that's a, that's a present for your audience. And the other thing is, if you want to contribute to spread this message and to help spread this methodology all over the world, right, the best thing is to talk, talk to other people, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk to your neighbor, talk, talk to anybody that this methodology exists, right, there must be. Talk, talk, talk to your neighbor, talk to anybody that this methodology exists, right, there must be. There's so many pain patients there. Well, it will help them.

39:48

And one one of these networking points will be a doctor interested in getting trained and certified in this methodology, right. And then you will have your first UK doctor, right, uk certified to be acupuncturist, and, and the first UK will be from England or from Wales, or from Scotland or from Northern Ireland, right, so then you still have the first of Scotland and first in Northern Ireland and first of Wales, but the first UK, I mean that's. That would be a real, let's say, competitive advantage, right, nobody can take that away from you anymore being the first certified tubercular puncture of the UK. Hello, and then you can have so many patients and every doctor has pain patients in his database already right, waiting for this.

40:46 - Jess White (Host)

Wonderful in his database, already right waiting for this wonderful. And who doesn't want to be out of pain, right? Luckily I'm a yoga teacher, so I don't really get pain, but I could just imagine it would be horrendous to be living in pain. So, yes, if anyone's listening to this, they want want to get in touch. Details will be in the show notes or you can reach out to me and I'll introduce you straight over to Dr Tan. So great work you do. Thank you so much for coming on. The e-book will be in the show notes as well for anybody wanting to read that. So much appreciated.

41:19 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Thank you very much for inviting me and giving me the chance to speak about what I do and we. I don't want to say hopefully, but this should be beneficial for so many, so many people in pain, not only pain, but especially pain.

41:44 - Jess White (Host)

well, I really hope this can help some people that need it. So my absolute pleasure having you on, dr Tan. Thank you so much from England all the way over to Germany. Have a wonderful rest of your evening and huge thanks for for coming on today and can only help that. Only hope that it's going to help some others by recording this, and that's the beauty of networking and getting your message out there. So, yeah, wonderful to have you on.

42:13 - Dr Tan (Guest)

Thank you very much again.

42:14 - Jess White (Host)

Thank you.