On this episode of the Dudes and Dads podcast, we are forging landmark events with our kids.
You're listening to the Dudes and Dads podcast, a show dedicated to helping men be better dudes
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And now, here are your hosts, Joel DeMott and Andy Lehmanman.
Andy, I've got two questions. I got two answers for you.
Okay. Don't shoot.
Number one, how's your sump pump?
It's working. It's good.
It's been pumping constantly, though, since, like, Wednesday.
It's been sumping and pumping.
sumping and pumping.
That's what we call it these days, guys. Sumping and pumping.
Sumping and pumping.
But no, so those of you who are not in the know, I came home from Florida and first off,
my furnace was out.
That was my second question. It was about the furnace.
So my furnace was out and we're in the process of getting that taken care of.
We're going to buy a new one. So all of that.
Oh, my gosh.
But then Wednesday, I'm getting ready to come to church, right?
And I wasn't even, I don't even know why I went to the basement, but I went to the basement.
I'll tell you why. Because the Lord told me.
The Lord wanted to maybe alert you or to just test your faith before going to,
say, a hallelujah.
So I was going to go to church.
And then all of a sudden, I see the water at the very top level of the sump,
the basin. And I'm like, I don't know.
Well, actually last time when we were in Florida a year ago,
I came home and the basement was flooded too.
Yes.
And in that case, though, it was, the sump pump was working.
It just, the float thing got trapped down.
Gotcha.
And so it thought that it was, it thought that there was no water to pump.
This time I reached in there and pushed the float, made sure it was free.
Nothing happened. It briefly made a noise.
And then I was like, well, let me just on, you know, how it has the like the two plugs,
you know, one for the float.
I unplugged that and plugged it directly in and I got nothing.
And so I ran over to the Menards and bought a new one.
And with the help of my father-in-law was just changing that out Wednesday night
and standing in like literally water that was above my feet.
I had water.
So that was over the whole, because there's a,
there's two parts of your basement.
Yeah.
So it was lower than the other.
Right. So it was over the main part.
That's the, the, the higher part.
And so yeah, it was, it was not good.
And, but since then, like it has been running not pretty much nonstop because we got a lot of rain.
We got a lot of rain.
And we had some that went rain on this time of year, what you can get is the double whammy,
the rain on top of snow melt.
Right.
Happening at the same time.
Right. So we haven't had much snow, so that's been okay.
But yeah, it's been a week.
Let me just tell you.
Oh, Andy.
Well, for all of you that, that know Andy's pain,
feel free to send him good, good thoughts and continued, continued success in the
something, in the pumping and the furnace situation.
I will be honest with you, Andy, our furnace, I believe is original to our home 1979.
Okay.
And so I am waiting for that time.
I am waiting for time.
The inspections seem to be going okay, but like that's an old furnace and I too.
Right.
And waiting for the day.
Well, I, to be honest, I went and I went and looked at the time that it was actually put in
and it was 2000.
And I was like, oh, that's not long ago.
And then I realized that's 23 years ago, Joel, 23 years.
And my furnace, usually furnaces don't last that long.
No, they don't, which makes me think now, even as you're saying that, I'm like, no,
that's right.
Wait, 1979.
That's your way over to you.
That's as old as you.
I am old.
So that usually just for listeners, for our younger listeners to your point,
usually furnaces are not as old as Andy.
That doesn't, I've outlived most furnaces.
When you put it that way, sounds more bad.
But oh gosh.
So yeah, there's, you know, that's, that's the kind of stuff that happens to all of us.
Right.
And we get older, furnace gets old.
And in your case, it's like, there's nothing that says welcome back from a lovely Florida
vacay, right? And like, it's a time of refreshing and like, yeah, it was, and you were down,
you were down, you and, you and said, you and, you and Jackie.
No, that's, that's my wife.
Yeah.
You and Julie were down there for a wonderful conference.
And from the looks of it, you guys were having a blast.
Yeah, we didn't.
There's a nice photo out there of Andy holding a baby gator.
Yeah.
We might have to put that in our show notes.
Yeah. I bet somebody, I bet a pastor a few years ago, and I should have known because
he's pretty much down for anything to kiss it and he did.
And so yeah, I lost.
I know pastors that want to wrestle gators.
Golly, that doesn't seem right.
No, youth pastors though.
Yeah.
It's, it's really kind of fits.
It's Darwinian, you know, they, if it's their time to go, it's their time to go.
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So what do you want to talk about next, Andy?
Let's, well, our forging, I'm really interested.
We're going to be talking tonight about forging landmark events with our kids.
So let's talk a little bit about that.
I know we've talked on the show before about doing things special with our kids and you've,
we knew you've said you've always planned on doing something and you've done some things
with your kids, but not necessarily at certain life events like ages.
Yes.
Things like that.
So, but you are really quickly coming up to a, we are coming up, but I would like to,
to welcome your oldest son, Aaron, I almost said Josiah, I'm sorry, Aaron.
I almost called you the wrong name.
Oh, hi, Aaron.
He's just shaking his head.
Hello.
Hi.
So yeah, so these kind of talking about like landmark events.
So this is, this is what my game plan is.
I had an initial game plan that was stunted due to the, the Rona virus.
Initially we said when all the kiddos turned 10 years old, they'd get kind of like a,
they get like a, a trip, like a weekend, a weekend trip that they would get to do with just me.
But because of, because of, you can't, yeah.
No, it was like, when they were turning, yeah.
When they were, so they were turning those ages, whatever we were like, we scheduled,
it was 2020 and then 2021 and just things were not open.
It was a real, it was a real struggle.
So we're like, okay, well, here's the deal.
At age 13, so the spring or summer after each kiddo turns 13, that we get to do
like a serious trip.
And so Aaron is turning or turned 13, turned 13.
Back in November and we said, what could we possibly do for a trip?
So Aaron, what, what is it when you said out of all the things that you're like,
what would be an amazing, fantastic thing to do for your trip?
What did you select?
Spring training in Phoenix, Arizona.
Oh, yes.
So we are hitting the friendly skies.
Uh, Thursday late, well early Thursday evening.
And we're headed down to Phoenix, Arizona to watch a couple of Cleveland Guardians games,
which people ask, they want to know Joel, aren't you a Detroit Tigers fan?
Yes.
Yes, I am, but my eldest son, because God has a sense of humor is a Cleveland Guardians fan.
He had a lot of influence from his, his other family, all those Cleveland,
all those Cleveland people out there.
I love you, but at the same time I have, I have some hurt feelings.
Uh, you'd taken my children away from me.
Well, I think it's just me and Matthew at this point.
Yeah.
That's true.
That's probably true.
Your side is a whoever gets there and they have met too much of an opinion on baseball.
Gotcha.
So we're going to, we're going to do some spring training, but we want to see some
baseball games, but we're also, we got, we got some hikes planned up north of Phoenix
toward the Sedona. Aaron and I might, depending on if we got the time to do it,
we actually might go up into Flagstaff, which I've not, I've not gone up that far north yet.
Aaron was like, well, could we go to the Grand Canyon?
I'm like, turns out the Grand Canyon is like a long way north.
Like it's, it's hard to, you don't really get a sense of, uh, right.
It's a lot of desert driving up there, but, um, it's going to be, yeah, it's going to be a good
time, I think.
Joel, so I have a question for you.
I'm going to ask both of you.
Yeah, I like it.
What do you hope to accomplish during this trip?
Oh, that's a good one.
Um, you know what, let's, let's do this.
How about we ask Aaron the question first?
All right.
So I'm going to ask you, Aaron, what are you hoping to accomplish with this job?
I know it's a trip that your dad has kind of said, Hey, I want to do this with you,
but what are you hoping to accomplish besides seeing some baseball games?
Um, well, me and my dad were talking about, we were thinking about going in,
setting some goals for myself for the next, for the coming year, um, things I want to achieve
in my life with like walking with better walk with Christ, um, walking better with
balancing better with school and sports and all the others at all these other activities that
I'm doing.
All the activities.
Yeah.
All right.
So Joel, I'm flipping to you.
Yeah.
That's, that's good.
What about you?
What are you hoping to accomplish with this trip you're taking with Aaron?
All those things that he just said.
So I think, um, and this is on, this is on me too.
Like we talk about spiritual growth when we talk about discipleship, um, these last few
months, if I'm really, really honest, and this has a lot to do with my job transition.
It has a lot to do with just this season that we find ourselves in, you know, I,
and, and I will say like my wife challenged me in this the other day, you know,
uh, trying to, when we talk about setting goals for our spiritual growth and what that really
looks like and trying to model those sort of things, um, I'm hoping that Aaron and I can
have conversations around the idea of, of why those things are important.
Um, the experiences that I've had in my own life, uh, toward, toward that end and also
say things like, you know, I'm not exactly thrilled with where it's at right now.
Like I, I'm still growing too.
I'm still learning too.
Um, but it seems like there's a, there's a val, like there's just a value in setting this time
aside to, to have that kind of conversation uninterrupted. I'm sure you get it, Andy,
like having uninterrupted conversations with intentionality and meaning it,
it can really feel like you'd have to fight for them.
Yeah. Definitely. And I think, you know, the times that you can get away
and have that, you know, I know that that was one of the things that I appreciated about this
last week when I was with Julie is we, you know, we did have time away.
I mean, we were with people, we were with her stat, her, you know, co-workers,
but the time that we got to spend together was really good.
And we had some, some good conversations too.
Yeah. There's, uh, there's just, there could be a really sacred thing about setting,
setting those things, uh, setting down part and doing it. And I life, life feels so full right
now that I think it's, it's going to take us getting on an airplane, you know, which
there's been several times where, you know, there isn't expense to this, right? And there is a,
there is, you know, I'm only two months into a new job, an executive job.
Um, I got lots of things to do on the work calendar for sure.
But at the same time, it's like, if I don't do this, when, you know, you just kind of got to
pull the band-aid off. Yeah, right. You keep, it's easy to push things back because, you know,
you have life and things like that. But what you're saying and what I hear you're saying is
this is important time with Aaron specifically is important to have the one-on-one time to get,
to bond your relationship with him. And then it also gives your other kids something to look
forward to too. You know, Aaron can come back and say, Hey guys, this is a lot of fun.
And it gives them something to look forward to. And hopefully it will not incite major jealousy
amongst his next youngest brother, which like, and that's the thing we, Josiah and I have already
talked about what he would like to do for his trip. He was, he was pretty quick in responding.
He wants, Josiah wants to do like a, uh, it's very much more up the Boy Scout, uh, like intentional,
like, um, uh, like outdoor, like outdoor adventure activities sort of thing. And he
initially said he wanted to hit, he wanted to go to, um, well, he said Denver first,
he wanted to go out, he wanted to go out to Colorado, whatever. And the, the deals with
that, like I'm all good with that. Um, but it's a, like that whole thing was like, I wanted to
do something that was reasonably enough familiar to me that I could like, I had confidence that I
could plan something well. So then we got talking about, it was like, well, what elements did he
really want to do that were really important? And it was like, I think boundary waters up,
northern Minnesota and, uh, into Canada could be, could kind of hit all the, the markers for him. So
that's the, that's what we're talking about for next, uh, for 2024 for him. So
he's already thinking about it and it's good. And hopefully you can be patient enough and
hopefully his older brother will not rub it in his face. So are there any like rules or like
guidelines that you're having for this trip? I mean, no, it's something, I mean, and I think
I'm probably specifically asking you, you drew on planning the trip, Joel. Um, Aaron's along for
the ride, but, uh, but what, what are some of the ground rules or things that you're looking for?
Well, I was going to ask, I was going to ask Aaron actually, because we haven't had this
conversation about what he thinks maybe like one good guideline for us to have on this trip
to like help make it meaningful. Like what's something that like a practice that we could
both put into play? Um, limit our time on our phone. That's a good one. That's a good one, right?
Yeah. And I've been thinking about that, like to try to be as present as, as possible, um,
in our, in our time. Now, fortunately for some of our, like our hike day, our phones won't work
worth a darn where we're going anyway. So those are always the best days. You don't have that
choice if you are in it. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that's a, I think that's an excellent one. Um,
I think to a certain degree, I want to have, I want to have planned time like he and I, we have,
we have a couple of itineraries that are itineraries that are given to us, so to speak.
Um, as part of the things, some of the things we're participating in, but
I want to have both scheduled and unscheduled time and try to hold that, you know, pretty,
pretty clearly. Um, you know, it'll be interesting where we're going to, we'll be getting up. It'll
feel like we're getting up real early while we're over there with the time, with the time difference.
Right. So, but, you know, getting up, getting up each day at a certain time, kind of being on task.
When I say on task, like that makes it sound like this is like,
like work, but more like we are, we're scheduling fun, uh, each, each day.
Right. But I think that that's important though to have. I mean, yes, it's, it's fun, but on,
and I think what I'm hearing you say on is on task is you mean like, yeah, scheduling fun and it
means doing purposeful thing. Yes. Not necessarily just, I'm just going to lay around and lay around
for three hours because I can, like it's more of you getting up, you doing A, B and C, because
that's what your plan is. That's what I'm hearing. Right. Yeah. I think, I think so. So, you know,
we've got, uh, really three full, three full days that we'll be there with travel days on
the, the first day and the last day. And so, um, you know, a lot of, between that, a lot of car
time and, uh, I think, you know, make sure that we're well rested for all of them so that when we
are, that's the other thing, like when we are together, we're, you know, we're with it and,
you can talk about the things we got to talk about. So.
All right. So I'm going to be asking Aaron this one specifically. What are some
conversations, is there conversations that you want to have with your dad,
or you're hoping to say, to talk to him about, then this may, you, you can choose not to answer
that. That's a hard question. I mean, you may or may not know what kind of things you want to
talk to your dad about. Um, so earlier I was reading part, some part of the, part of the
Bible and I was asking him certain questions about things I didn't understand. I would love to
ask more questions about that while we're out there. Awesome. Oh, well there's, I better get
studied up. Well, Andy, by the way, you know what every, you know what every 13 year old,
what book of the Bible they go to right away, Revelation. And so I was getting a lot of questions
about lampstands and angels and things like that, which I love, which I absolutely love that. Um,
and then I, I made Aaron aware that there was over 350 Old Testament references in the book of
Revelation alone and that maybe we should, we should start, we should start back in the beginning.
But yeah, like I think like that, that sort of thing, you know, those, those sort of questions,
what I've become aware of is that Aaron, Aaron has things inside of him that he's,
he's wondering about or thinking about or whatever. And, you know, just because of busy
lives, like how much of that stuff like, yeah, is he, is he holding on to, you know, and thinking
like, Oh, I'd like to ask this or I'd like to have this conversation. But again, when are we
going to have the space to do it? How are we going to do that? And so part of it might be
that through this experience that we, we make some new goals about how we schedule our time and
regulate our time back here, back here at home. You know, I think that could, that could be a
really, really good thing too. So. So Joel, I'm going to ask you and again, you can choose not
to answer this because same question, but I know that, you know, some of these things you may want
to wait until you're out there to even say sure, but are there any questions, you know,
things that you want conversations that you want to have with Aaron that you can talk about now?
Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm interested in knowing, I think a big part of our conversation will be like
how he, how he sees me as a father, how he receives me as a dad. We're even asking,
which is a dangerous thing for a father to ask their, ask their kid like, Hey, where can I get
better? You know, where, where can I, where can I improve? You know, some dads, some dads might
feel like, you know, that they're, they're not, they're not going to put it out to a survey to
their, to their minor child about, you know, about their parenting. And it's like, not so much like,
not so much about my parenting, but just generally like, yeah, like how the core things that I want
to model to my kids, I can say left and right, you know, like, I think I'm doing a good job of
modeling those things. But if they're not receiving it in the way in which I hope that they're receiving
it, then it's kind of like, it's kind of a pointless exercise and me just kind of padding
myself on the back. So I think like I'm, I have been this last week and this week too,
I'm kind of like writing lists of those kind of, those kind of questions, trying to drill down and
be kind of very specific. I know Aaron really likes it when my get, my questions get very
specific and pointed and not, not just too vague and then too, and too broad. Yeah.
So Christy Miller is watching and she says, awesome, awesome. So yeah, just thought you should,
you should know that. So you're taking a pretty large trip, Joel. It is, it's, it's, it is,
it's large. I mean, you're, you're not like just going next door to ship shawana. I mean,
nothing wrong with our wonderful friends and ship she, yeah, but you're taking this trip
a long distance. Is this something, a trip that you could take close by,
or does it have to be where you're going to travel halfway around the country,
around the world or whatever? Like, does that, yeah, yeah.
That's a really great question. I think, I think to each individual,
if someone's looking to do something like this, I think, I think you could go a little ways away.
For us in this season of life, I'm wondering if Aaron feels the same way. It feels like we
have to do something pretty drastic to sort of like, to sort of unplug. Like we, like we have to go
to a place that is, because like Aaron and I are doing, by the way,
Aaron and I are doing this thing together and we're doing things for the first that
both of us are doing for the first time. Some of these, some of these places, some of these
experiences. Some of this, some of the stuff I've done, I have done before because there is a certain
element of like, I do want to have some knowledge about what we're getting into.
But I think the, I think the newness and the uniqueness that kind of shakes us out of our
everyday routine can put us in a different mindset to, yeah, to explore new questions,
to ask new things of each other, to have just kind of that kind of perspective. So,
you know, maybe you don't have to, maybe you don't have to travel a long ways, but
I could see why you would have to though, because I think that it does provide that
where you're both out of your element. You're both traveling to somewhere that's not
familiar with yourself. You don't, you've never been there, even if you have been there before,
but it's not something that you're normally around. Whereas, you know, for us, if you go to
Shubshawana or South Bend, it's not, those are things that are bad. I mean, those can be fun
memories and great ways to make memories with your family. But when you're doing a special
trip where you're trying to make the whole trip extraordinary and special, and this time where
you get some bonding, I think a longer trip does help that.
Well, it's like I think about your guys' trip as a family, like the things that you did out west.
Oh yeah. Like that is, there's the adventure part of that, the new, you know, kind of the
breaking new ground as a family and those experiences that are new together. You know,
that, that, that forges, that forges unique things and hopefully makes memories that
people, that everyone will look fondly. Right. And we do, we have, you know, those trips when
you're, when you're spending a lot of time together as a family that's out of your ordinary,
as, you know, it's put us, it's baked those memories into our brains that we still look back
and the kids go, remember that time that dad heard the coyotes cry and he was like running down the
thing? That was great. Cause yeah, I said, I was running cause I didn't know where they were at.
Like I could just hear them crying and I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know if they were close to me
or far and was that the time when you were camping with us that you're talking about? Or was this
a different experience? This is a different one. That was a good one too. You have a lot of coyotes.
Right. That was a good one too. That was when Eli was little and we were, they were crying.
Eli was crying and they were crying back and answering him. Eli's, Eli's young baby cries
apparently sound a lot like a pack of coyotes, coyote pups. Right. So just so you know what you
like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I think, uh, I think the distance can be, I think there probably
needs to be some level of minimal distance, uh, just to, to break up the norm. Uh, but you know,
maybe don't have to go to Phoenix or wherever. I don't know. Yeah. So is this trip like ultimately,
what do you think is the most, gonna be the most memorable part about this? And I'm going to ask
Aaron that like, what are you looking forward to right now? I mean, obviously you can't say what's
going to be the most memorable for sure, because you've not experienced it. But what is something
that you think right now that you're really looking forward to for this trip?
Um, the watching baseball for the first time down in Phoenix. It's something I've wanted to do.
It was what in the first, first it would be, um, going to an opening day game,
but I did that last year when, um, my, when we were out in Philadelphia to, you went to the,
yeah, we saw the Phillies, Phillies opener. Oh, nice. And I was not too happy that my six-year-old
sister gets to go to an opening big day game when, when I wanted to go, when I was six and I was
told no. Yeah. Yeah. We keep on telling, we keep on telling Aaron, he's not as cute as she is. So
she just gets whatever. It's the only girl she gets. And she's the last, the last that just
happened. Joel, I'm going to ask the same question. What are you looking forward to most about this
trip and what memories that you're hoping to accomplish? Yeah, I think the big thing is, it's
just time with, uh, time with Aaron. Obviously, Andy, we talk about it all the time, uh, us and
our big families, it's like you want to have individual time with your kids. It feels like
those opportunities are, you just have to work really, really hard for it. So the fact that
we've got this time scheduled out, um, and no matter what, we're going to have it. And, you
know, it's, it's time on the plane, time in the car, time on the trail, time in the ball field.
You're going to have a lot of time. Yeah. And I'm really, really grateful for that. And that's
what I'm, I'm looking forward to. I think, I mean, the really, the ultimate goal is that,
you know, Aaron and I are able to look back on this, you know, years from now, we'll have
like significant, significant memories about it. And that it'll be something that's kind of like,
you know, like we said it, they're, they're kind of these landmark events, you know,
I don't know what the next, I mean, I have a feeling I know what the next landmark event will be.
And it's probably for Aaron, it's probably when, uh, he graduates, you know, graduates high school.
You got one of those landmark events coming around the sooner than I do. Um, you know,
and then it's, it's graduates high school and then whatever he decides to do after high school.
And then it's, you know, if he, you know, it's like, like very quickly, like the world, the
time begins to speed up and in so many ways. So absolutely. This kind of feels like, not to put
a big bunch of pressure on it, but it feels like this is probably one thing in a series of very
significant things over the next five, six years. Okay. So the follow up question to that is,
is this, is there something larger that you're hoping to accomplish? You're like,
is this trip part of a larger plan? What's the follow up after this? Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned
like more landmark events coming up. So do you see yourself doing more trips like this? Or
what's the, what's the next thing? Yep. So Aaron obviously is the guinea pig for just in general
for these 13 year old trips, uh, to figure out what's going to be. You could say you're forging
like new things. You're making the, you're the one that made him a dad. You're the one that
you're like, yeah, you're the first for it. Yeah. Um, so just in general, as far as our practice
with this, I think it's going to be good. Um, but yeah, the other, other events, um, you know,
as Aaron mentioned, kind of some goal setting, I think annual goal setting for us as a family for
yeah, for Aaron, um, just as he enters into more and more responsibility, I mean,
it's a conversation we're having with him. It's a conversation we're having with Josiah as well,
like with every year that passes, there are more responsibilities that come and come into play. Um,
you've got a new, you know, a new driver and you're in your household and we have those,
you know, use the same kind of conversations. Hey, with this responsibility becomes, you know,
comes these things with it attached to it. And, um, I want to a little, in a little bit of a way,
I, I'm hoping that this is, this is ushering in more of those kinds of conversations of, you know,
you are gaining in these, uh, these giftings and these things that we're trying, we want to bless
you with and with that comes, you know, these responsibilities. I think also just in terms
of being intentional as a, as a family, um, you know, uh, I have some other, I have some other
actually like probably like small, um, small trips. There's one trip that I really want to do with
Aaron and I want to do probably with Aaron. I might do it with Aaron and Josiah at one,
at one time, but there's, uh, it's, uh, I'm going to call it, uh, I'm going to call it a faith
formation field trip. And it's where, um, we had talked about this earlier actually, Andy,
with, uh, John Tyson's book, the intentional father where he took his son to all these like
significant places from his childhood where like, uh, where he had learned significant life lessons.
Sure. Um, both like practical, the spiritual side of it, all, all those sort of things,
like took them to the place, put their feet on the ground there. And he was, he was from Australia.
So that meant part, one of the things in that, like he went to, took his kid to his first job.
Uh, was that a, was that a, was that a butcher shop? Actually, when he was a teenager that a
butcher shop and turns out the guy that owned the butcher shop was still like still there.
Wow. That's cool. And able to like introduce him to like things like that. So I, I think
to, to give my, give my kids a little bit of the grounding of like how, how I was formed,
you know, with the, the significant events that were in my life and to have them kind of see
those places. Um, and then, yeah, and I think, you know, just some other, other practices out of
this that'll probably kind of, kind of kick off. So I feel it feels like there's just, um,
um, hopefully several opportunities to be continually intentional that are kind of rooted
back to these, this kind of initial kickoff trip.
Great. I'm hoping to, when you come back to have a debrief and talk a little bit,
and maybe we can do that as an extra episode, a bonus episode or something on this cause
kind of do a debrief on this. But you know what, Joel, we can't let anyone get out of here,
even Aaron, without doing,
Now it's time for the dudes and dads pop quiz.
All right. So if you have never joined us, the dudes and dads pop quiz is just a time and to
I'm going to, I don't even want to use the word pepper. I'm just going to say throw
here at Aaron. I'm going to throw random questions at Aaron. Like literally, I'm just
going to throw this, this card at you. Uh, no, no, not really. Um, all right. So I will go first,
Joel. Okay. Uh, and maybe, maybe you should take this deck of cards with you so that you
can just ask him on the grip. Yeah. Oh, this is a good one for this. What are you most excited
about right now? Going to Phoenix Arizona. That was like, that was like a giveaway. That
throwaway question. That was easy. Do I get another, do you want me to pull from the deck?
I can, you just, you just ask him. Go ahead. Oh, that's cool. If there was a sandwich named
after you, what would be on it? It would be an all meat sandwich with tomato, pickle and mayo.
So like no bread and just meat. Yeah. What kind of meat? Um, salami, bacon, sausage, pepperoni,
tricky and ham. Oh, like everything, like all the meats, all the meats, all the meats. Wow.
The Aaron, I can't wait to try that sometime. What technology do you wish existed?
Teleportation. I think that might have been, I think a lot of people say teleportation.
No, no teleportation. Like just like not time wise, right? You're just going to different
places. Like, so you could be like, I'm just in the Arizona. Nope. No airplane or if any,
or like you could travel through a screen, travel through a screen to a place. Oh,
interesting. It's like if you're FaceTiming someone, you'd be there. Yeah, you should go there.
Apple. Good on that. Good on that. All right. Um, what characteristic are you most known for?
I know you're only 13, but athleticism, athleticism. You're, you're, you're, you're most known for
your athleticism. I think so. That Aaron. He is known for his athleticism. Interesting. I'm going
to last one here. Um, Andy's gotta go. Some of these cars are not great to ask for a kid.
Which words or phrases do you most overuse?
I don't know. All right. So maybe I should ask Joel that. What's the most overused phrase that
he uses? I'm trying to think what, uh, oh, this, I'm bro. Bro. Is it bro or bra? One or the other?
I, I doubt that. You doubt it? Bro. You interject it all over the, bro. No, no, I don't. You do.
Mike has been on this cake of literally like, I'm literally doing this. I'm literally.
Wait, wait, wait, wait. 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100% 100%
no 100% Yes, I think your mamas. Your mom, your mama is calling you out there. She's saying 100%.
So, uh, well, Aaron, we've really, really appreciate you been in on here.
So we've really appreciated you being on the show today. Anything that you want to
say before you or leave the show. That you didn't, you didn't ask you. Is there anything you want
You want to say no, you know, do you feel, do you feel like this has been a good
episode? All know. Yeah, I think it's going well. I think we're, uh,
we're training our future generation or five podcasters, Andy. I think we're,
we're on to something. Hey, everybody. Thanks for being here as always.
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