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Kelly Hatfield: Welcome to The Missing Secret Podcast. I'm Kelly Hatfield,

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John Mitchell: Hey, and I'm John Mitchell. So here's our topic today, upping your game on chat, GPT or whatever, AI program you use. So little background on this. As as you know, I do a weekly
Personal Growth program for the 18 head coaches here at the University of Texas and the 75 people in the athletic department and one of the this this week, I'm giving them this presentation by this,
this girl that is an expert on AI and and she basically says that all of us are vastly underusing AI in our daily life, and that we can all up our game, but most of us are just dabbling at it. Kelly,
you buy that? Do you think that's true?

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Kelly Hatfield: Absolutely, I am using it, but I and I use it extensively, but I am still only dabbled, like I've only barely scratched the surface of what it's capable of doing. So I'm excited to
have this conversation today well,

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John Mitchell: And I'll, I'll bring up some some things and and ultimately, you're going to see that. I think the the ultimate way to do it is to have an expert actually come and sit down with you
with your phone in in their hand, and they'll show you how to do it. But today, hopefully, we'll, we'll enlighten you to some of the basics that you may not be aware of. And I think, I think the first
one is something you and I already know about this idea that you got to be able to have a back and forth conversation with your AI program and chat GPT is ahead of all the other systems in this
regard, In terms of having an actual back and forth verbal conversation. Do you use chat GPT mostly? Or what do you use?

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Kelly Hatfield: I use chat GPT and I'm just now getting into Claude, so I've just started to kind of get into Claude a little bit, but chat GPT has been my main source for most everything until just recently.

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John Mitchell: Right? So why, why did you start looking into Claude?

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Kelly Hatfield: Well, we're going to get into philosophical or political type of thing, but I still write it. Yes, do it just because of the ownership of chat GPT versus Claude, which is anthropic, is
Claude, and you know Sam and his pals over there on chat GPT, so I'm starting to explore Claude a little bit more based on that. But then also too, I've heard Dan Martell is kind of a mentor from
afar, and he is has been just talking about how he's transitioned to chat GPT, how to do it, how he uses Claude, all of the additional things that you can do with cloud, that you can't do with chat
GPT. And so I that started the exploration for me. And then once I understood to kind of the ownership of it a little bit more, yeah, I started to think, Okay, well, maybe I want to transition. But
right now I am very attached to chat GPT. It is kind of my right hand right now.

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John Mitchell: Well, you know, I think chat GPT is is the best today, simply because it is more advanced at having the conversation bad, the back and forth conversation, and that clearly will not last
too much longer. I can't believe that the other systems won't catch up with that quickly, but but the power of it is you can have a live back and forth conversation with chat when you're driving to or
from work, which is amazing. You just like, if you have the paid version on your phone, which costs 20 bucks a month, and you just start the conversation and you may talk to it about a problem you've
got, you know, just hear what the problem is. Let chat GPT weigh in on it. Another idea is, is to encourage chat GPT to ask you questions as as maybe you're working through a problem, and because it
won't naturally ask you questions, but if, but it can be very helpful for you to to give it permission to ask you questions, and then its responses are even better tuned in to what you're wanting to
do. Have you ever tried that?

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Kelly Hatfield: Yeah, absolutely, I've tried that, and I've given it deeper prompts in like, how you set it up around, like, I don't want you to just give me the like, agree with everything I say,
like, push back. I want, you know, be challenging my ideas assumptions, so then it doesn't just become where I'm kind of in a silo, where it's just like, hey, great. You know, great idea. Let's.
Expand on that, and then we're just expanding on an idea. That's my idea. You know, when I want some like, feedback, pushback, shoot some holes in this for me, help me understand, you know, this a
little bit better and and so that's super helpful, too, when you set it up the right way.

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John Mitchell: Well, yeah, I looked in in the settings in chat, GPT, and there's a place where for that, and you can set it on be candid. But I also see that in talking to chat GPT, you can, you can
tell it to be hard on me, to challenge me a little more. But you know, this is a fine line. I get it that that we don't want it to be too non confrontational. But also, if we have a great idea, tell
me it's a great idea. You know? I mean, you know, how do you get to that? And I don't know, I see that it's all about the prompt. So however you set chat, or whatever system you're using up, is what
it's going to deliver. So you you can control it, but I don't always remember to tell it that, because usually, and this is the value of having conversations, you don't know where it's going to go, so
you don't know when something brilliant or less than brilliant is going to come out of your mouth. And so but total game changer, because I've gotten in this habit now of when I'm driving back from
school, I have something I'm thinking about, and we'll have a conversation, and, boy, it will go on as long as you want to go on and and I see. What happens is we'll have a five or 10 minute
conversation. Then I'll think we're through, and then I'll drive 10 more minutes and I'll go, oh, you know, I here's another thing that's worth talking about on the same subject, but this is to me,
this is the first step of using AI to its full potential, is having that those conversations, because what happens today with most people is they may have it help do it, do an email, improve an email,
or it may answer a question, but they're not at the stage of having conversations with it. Another thing as it relates to what our methodology is using chat GPT in thinking sessions. Now this is
really good as you as you follow the three step process and you ask it a question that is gold, or you may be having a thinking session, and you just need more information, accurate information to

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further your thinking. And so have you ever

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Kelly Hatfield: Oh, yeah, yep, I use that. I'll use it oftentimes afterward to, you know, when I come up with something. And so I'm vetting an idea out where I want to research the idea a little bit
more. Or I did it just the other day with with kind of something I realized I needed to add to our compensation structure, and wanted to know how other firms typically, you know, handle, you know,
this kind of a transaction, and, you know, so it gave me some different ideas for how to go about doing that. And then, you know, as I was talking it through and sharing additional information about
the entire compensation structure, it was giving some recommendations based on how that was set up. It put some formulas and some math together for me, some equations to help me understand, wow, how
it connected. So I was able to fully, you know, kind of continue to vet that idea out, do the research, you know, and then understand it better, even from a like, oh, okay, conceptually, and then at
the kind of granular granule level, granular level as well. So, yeah, so it was, I'd use it all the time for stuff like that.

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John Mitchell: So as sort of a sidebar on this, when I first taught you this technique of deep thinking two times a week. You struggled with it at first, right? Oh, yeah, I struggled. Can you explain
that process? Because I'm now teaching this to MBAs, and I need to understand where people struggle. And it's funny, because this is today, is at the foundation of who you are is doing these sessions.
So tell me, tell us all sort of that process.

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Kelly Hatfield: Yeah, I think for me, giving a little bit of context coming from I think one of the reasons why it was such a challenge for me was because I was not somebody who journaled. I was not
somebody who I would make lists and everything, you know, as far as or getting organizing, getting stuff out of my head, but I was not somebody who journaled or, like wrote my thoughts down, or really
had any process for myself to process information or ideas, right? And so I think when you first showed me how to do that exercise and just. It sit down and just like, free whatever is in your mind,
start writing it down. You know, kind of that free flow of thought. And I don't know what it was, whether it was putting a pen to paper and it becoming then real once it got like, I have no idea what
the block was for me, but I'm like, no what I'm thinking about right now, right? You know, things are going a million miles an hour, even though I saved my place and I had it done at a specific time
of day that it was just for it, I would sit down and it was like I just had a block for thinking, all right. Well, I think for me, one of the things that really helped was through the methodology. And
we talked, we've talked before about the reticular activating system. Once my brain knew that these sessions were going to be happening at the two set times a week originally, then it was looking for
I'm like, Oh, this is something we need to but we need to we need to think deeper about, and then that was one of the things that kind of helped, like, oh, okay, so for example, I'm running on the
treadmill, I'm listening to a podcast. There's an idea about marketing or about something that comes up. What would have happened before was I would have thought, Oh, that's a great idea, you know?
And then my it would have been rattling around in my head for months, off and on, depending on when something prompted it to pop up again, right? And that would have never, nothing, ever would have

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come to pass with that idea. Now, with the methodology, what it was was I would hear that idea, and my brain would automatically file it to be. That's something we need to think more deeply about or
look into during thinking time, yeah, you know. And so then that would be where I would analyze that particular idea. Like, okay, is that something that would work for our organization? You know, if
we, you know, what would the benefits doing this be? What would the what are some of the challenges? Does this solve any problems that we currently like, right? It was a whole kind of process then
that I would go through. So ultimately, what the thinking time does for me is it gets all these half kind of formed ideas right out, and is gives me a place for them to live and for me to organize
them. And, like, literally the amount of traction that I got in my business, I know came from these thinking sessions, because I had a place for my brain to put these ideas like before. It wasn't it
was recognizing in the moment, but that moment was fleeting, and then the next thing would come up, and my brain, my brain would be moving on to being, would be distracted and move on to the next
thing, right? So I think for me, that particular activating system, and using the methodology, and saving that time, that place for me to put those ideas. And then the other thing too, was I initially
had to start with some prompts, you know, like, what are some constraints, or where it where is any friction that I have right now in my day, or in my you know, and then it would start the flow of me
being able to write and think about that. And so just through the PLA the practice of repetition, yeah, of being able to do this, I just got better and better and better at it. And then for me to like
where the power is, is obviously getting the idea out into the head, out of my head, and onto paper. But then it's also to organizing it and being able to say, Okay, what actions am I going to take

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associated with this idea, if any, depending on what the you know, what I what I learned as a result of going through that thinking session, right? And so that's the that is the power of it. And I
know we've talked about this a million times, the mind thrives on order, implementing the thinking sessions for me. I do it daily now because it's so powerful for me, but it is. I had no idea that it
was going to relieve stress in my life. I didn't realize how much chaos was happening inside my brain with all of the thoughts that were out, that were half formed, and and how powerful it would be to
get them out of my head onto paper and into fully formed thoughts and ideas.

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John Mitchell: You know, you, you've articulated this so well that I want you to you and me to do a thing that we record on on this. Because, as I teach MBAs this, you know, it always was easy for me,
but, but I journaled and, and it's not going to be easy. You're, you weren't the first one that that had a challenge with it, but you make so many good points that we got to, we got to do that. And
one of the things that's interesting, I'm going to start doing this with some of the the teams here at the University of Texas, our women's basketball team just went to the Final Four. And I'm going
to, I'm thinking about, because I know the coach really well, suggesting that I teach his his athletes this, this technique, because at the end of the day, they have got to step back from their life
and assume. Us. How am I doing? What do I need to improve on? And that that this is a process for self evaluation. And so I really want to really up how I teach it, and you just bring it a different
perspective that I think is, is really valuable. So we'll, we'll do that at some point sounds good. Yeah, back on AI though. Here's another use that most people are not aware of, is you can give your
your AI system eyes. In other words, it can use the camera on your phone. You can you can show it something. And this is not that hard to do. I've I've done it with my phone, and there's just, like,
on chat GPT, there's a plus button. You just hit the plus button and it'll engage your camera. And like, the girl that was doing the presentation on on all the way, says you can use chat GPT. She She
said that she was in Australia and she was having sea sickness, and so she goes into the pharmacy and she sees, you know, the whole aisle of stuff, and she just scans the aisle and gives it to Chad
GPT, and it tells her what to get, and at which, you know, amazing. She also said, said that, like, there was a case where somebody had like, 200 golf balls on on the ground, and took a picture of it,

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and said, tell me how many, exactly, how many balls there are. I mean, so there's all sorts of things. She also talks about, you can tie your system into your emails and calendar, and you can get a
three minute morning briefing every morning, like the President does on what's coming up today, which that might be interesting. Yeah, she also talks about adjusting the settings in AI. We talked
about making it more or less agreeable. And I think there's, do you know, any other, any, any other settings that are applicable, that you could think

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Kelly Hatfield: Not that I I'm, by no means, and I'm a novice, you know. And again, I use it for the I know there's so much more to it. And I know, like with Claude, like, you can have a build out
entire funnels and entire, yeah, like, do, there's so much that it will do for you by just putting in some of your processes. It'll build out SOPs. It'll build out, you know, like the whole, you know,
nine yards, which I know chat GPT will do too, but, and I know I got some colleagues that use it to reply to emails automatically. That makes me nervous, so I'm quite there yet, but you know, they're
using AI to sort their resumes, not resumes their emails, and if they've got resumes attached, like in our business, right, putting them into a certain, you know, folder and organizational type of
stuff. So there's all kinds of things that help with, you know, being more organized and treating it almost like a personal assistant

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John Mitchell: Right, right? Yeah, it's interesting. Like she was talking about, the girl was talking about how she got Chad GPT to develop and create a whole Google AdWords program. And, you know,
she just sat back and watched it do it, you know, maybe the cursor on her computer pretty amazing. And here's another one that's interesting. So my, I really like my doctor. I've got a, well,
relatively new doctor in the last year or so, and she is great. And she's like, 34 years old, and she is sharp as a tag. So as I've gotten to know her, she's and, of course, not too long ago, she
started doing the methodology, which made me like her even more. But, but so we become, you know, more than just client, patient, yeah, and she knows ging and and, and so it's, it's, you know, a great
relationship. And so I was talking to her, and I have a bad back that that I've had a couple bag surgeries, and it's sort of flared up lately. And so I'm looking at what the alternatives are. I'm
trying to avoid surgery. But she was saying, let's put it into what's called Open evidence, which is an AI platform that healthcare providers use, and it's got all the research when you want to really
see what is researched and is proven to work. And so she's, we've done that, and she gives it back to me. And so I go, okay, Heather, here's my six questions. And so she just dials those six questions
in, and it answers it, and it is really effective. And I mean, that's all a doctor is doing. And so the the bigger picture is you can ascend. Largely, largely be your own doctor now that you got for,
for open evidence, you got to have, you know you have to have authority to go into it, but you know that's coming is just knowing that that you're going to, especially if you can lean on your doctor a
little and say, here's what I want us to do. Yeah, they're gonna do it. They probably won't do it without your prodding, but you can tell it. Let's go into open evidence. And here's the questions I

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want to ask. And of course, the doctor will probably go, Who the heck are you?

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Kelly Hatfield: Exactly like Lutheran, I'm paying you. You work for me. I'm advocating for my health.

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John Mitchell: Yeah, I'm enlightened patient. Thank you exactly. But, you know, let me see if there's anything else here that is interesting. You know, I guess that's really it. But maybe one final
thing that I want to talk about that's unrelated to this, that I think is important, and I don't know why I have thought about this, this more But lately, but just think about the book, Think and Grow
Rich. You know, this is what was so profound to me when I read it at 50 and realizing, like 150 million people have read that book. Yeah, I read the book when I was 41 and thought is a great book, but
I didn't realize it's profound stature of being the top book the world on success by a factor of 10. And so with that sort of as set up, let me tell you what the book is about in one word, one word,
and that word is clarity. Clarity. It advocates that you define clarity in terms of who do you want to be, what do you want to accomplish, and how are you going to achieve your goals? And as I thought
about this, that the top move of the world on success comes down to one word. I'm thinking about this, and I certainly agree with that, but I also see that that people in general, on a scale of one to
10, are probably about a two or a three in terms of clarity. They sort of know who they want to be. They sort of know what they want to accomplish, and they sort of vaguely know how to to get what
they they want. But the reality is nobody's going to come and figure out your life for you. It is on you and and the sooner you accept that, the better off you are. And so then it comes back to, oh, I
got to create that, that clarity. And once you start going down that rabbit hole of clarity in the key areas of your life, it's amazing what comes to you and I see today that that our methodology
really is a system for doing three things. First, it's a system for creating the clarity in each area of your life. It's a system for evolving your vision of your life, because whatever you create in

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terms of your initial vision will will not be 100% accurate, but so you need to evolve that vision. And then the third thing is it's a system for making the right actions happen automatically by
virtue of feeding that clarity to yourself every day. But when you look at at the how to be successful and and you factor in the credibility of the top book of the world on success by a factor of 10,
and you see that it really comes down to clarity. To me, that's truly the epiphany. And I don't know that I've ever explained it quite like that, but that is exactly what it is. So what do you think
about that?

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Kelly Hatfield: No, I mean, I think that I like how simple it is, that's for sure. And I think too, like it's impossible to get where you want to go if you don't know, like, where you're going, Yeah,
you know what I mean. It's that old analogy of, like, you know, getting into your car, you know, and if you don't set the where you are now, like, it doesn't know how to get you from point A to point
B, to where the net to where the destination and you want to go is, right? And I think you have to have a lot of clarity around where you are now, so that, you know, like the steps that you need to
take to get from point A to point B. And so, yeah, just again, we talk about how the brain works. You know, regular activating system. It needs clarity, otherwise it's gonna let in all this junk that
doesn't mean anything to you because it doesn't know what to be looking Yeah, for me, like that. Just is like, Yeah, I mean, major light bulb moment of really the simplicity of that book based, again,
it's about clarity. And I just to tie in the AI really quick to that I think about and how you can utilize this. Now, I did this a couple of months ago. If you know, I have an idea of who I want to
be, I have an idea of, you know, I've clearly defined my goals, but I struggle a little bit with the how piece you know, what I mean to get from point A to point B. That is a wonderful place where a
chat GPT comes into play in terms of helping give you ideas and a roadmap to how to get from point A to point B, that then you can help, yeah, into your, you know, life, GPS and, you know, like, so I
think what stops a lot of people from the clarity is just being overwhelmed with, like, well, I don't really know if this is the right, you know, track, you know, or how to write What I want from
where I'm at right now. And so some of these tools are wonderful in helping you gain additional clarity around, maybe something you're at 30,000 foot at right now, but helping get you get down to the

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granular level so that you then are able to, you know, put that into your life. GPS, so clear up, clarity, clarity 100%

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John Mitchell: Well, you know, that is a great point, because I think the way we all need to look at at our AI copilot is truly as a life co pilot and as a mentor and a coach. Because the challenge
with getting coaches is, is getting a good one. Pay the money. But truly, I see that chat GPT for me is my coach, is my mentor, and it's only going to get infinitely better from here. So I think it's
just an opportunity waiting to happen, if you really apply it to your life, absolutely okay until next time we'll see you.