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Welcome back to Become a Calm Mama. I'm your host. I'm Darlynn

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Childress. And today, I'm gonna talk about

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encouraging boredom. So what I hope is that

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by the end of this episode, you feel

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more at peace when you see your kids being

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bored and dysregulated and frustrated,

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especially in the summer. The summer is a

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time where there ought to be less structure

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and more unsuper less loosely supervised free

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play. That's the idea. Right? Long summer days

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where kids have leisure time, creative time in

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order to play. And what

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happens though a a parent during the summer is we

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don't like the way our kids act when they

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are bored. Because what happens when a kid is bored is

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they are what we call dysregulated, which means they're out of balance,

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and they don't know what to do with that discomfort.

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So I think of boredom really as

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this period of time between activity.

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And the better your kid is at managing the

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discomfort that happens between one thing

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and the next from getting up and getting dressed and getting their socks and

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shoes on to going to calm, and they have an extra hour in the

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morning, well, isn't that amazing? But if your kids aren't used

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to having an extra hour in the morning

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or unstructured time in the afternoon,

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they aren't gonna know what to do with that time, and they're gonna start acting

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out. They're gonna start bugging their sibling, complaining,

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being grumpy, having a big feeling cycle,

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being naughty. You find them doing something naughty. You know, like, they're all of a

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sudden, you know, coloring on the walls or jumping on the bed or doing stuff

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where you're like, what are you doing? You know you're not supposed to be doing

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that. So the problem is

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that your kids are used to having

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most of their day filled with

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structure and with adult directed activities. So in

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the last week's episode, I talked about how important it is for our kids to

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have time to be in

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free play a be in unstructured play

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a have time outdoors and have the pacing of life

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kinda change, and all of that. And this

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is this ideal, right, this value that we have that we wanna create more

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free time and more open, unstructured

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time. But the obstacle to doing that

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is your kid's dysregulation in the gap

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between the thing they were doing and the next thing.

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So I want you to think about this boredom that

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you're experiencing with your kids as what I wanna call a boredom

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gap. I want you to be able to think about,

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okay. My child is in a period of time where they

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don't know what to do with themselves. Now you, as a parent,

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you're super smart. You're super bright. I know a. And you probably go,

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oh, you're bored? Let me give you some ideas.

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Right? And that sounds like such a wonderful

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mom thing to do. I was just reading an article in the New York Times,

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which was it's a really great article, and it's all about, you

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know, handling boredom and that kind of thing. And

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what they said in there is you wanna have these, like, boredom busters.

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Right? Have a list of things that your kids can do that that, you

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know, are the boredom busters. And I love that. I have a list in the

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summer toolkit, which you can get on my website, a.

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Under free resources, there's a summer one. You get a whole

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summer toolkit in there, 80 plus ideas of things to do when you're bored.

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Now what happens though is I've seen this is that

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parents will offer a boredom

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buster or some sort of activity

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too early Become the brain has

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gone through its whole feeling cycle and

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gets to problem solving. So the brain

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doesn't like to be dysregulated. It doesn't like to be a,

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and it, you know, is going to solve its

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a, but it has to feel uncomfortable

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before it craves something to make it

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more likely to do that next thing. Let me explain what I mean.

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Say you're hungry. Okay? And your body, of course, wants

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to satisfy its hunger needs. And you're really

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hungry, and someone says to you, do you want a

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bowl of broccoli? Now some of you are

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listening. I know you're, like, super healthy, and you're like, oh, I would be like,

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yeah. Yum. But most people and some most

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kids would be like, ew. Now if

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I am sitting there a I'm really hungry, and I have a plate

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of brownies and I have a plate of broccoli, I am

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probably going to pick the brownies. Right? I'm gonna pick the easy

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thing my brain is craving, that fast carb, that

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instant sugar, that big dopamine surge,

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and it's not thinking about what I can do to take care

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of myself long term. I just wanna relieve the

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discomfort, and that is true of

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boredom. So you think you're

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offering so many wonderful ideas, and you are.

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But your kid is thinking about what you're offering

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as broccoli. You're like, why don't we play cards? Why don't we build

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a tower? Why don't we go outside? Why don't you go look for

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bugs? Why don't you, you know, get out the twister

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game? Why don't you play tic tac toe with your brother? Why don't

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you you have so many good ideas. You're amazing.

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But your child, all there is like, eat broccoli, eat

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broccoli, eat broccoli, eat broccoli. And they're like,

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no. I don't wanna eat broccoli. So you have to wait until

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your child starts to crave the next

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thing, and it's a strong enough craving. Like,

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they wanna satisfy their need, and they're

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willing to work at it, which is what eating broccoli is like

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working at it. Creativity is working at it. What do you think

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your children normally want when they

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are acting dysregulated because they

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are in a boredom gap. They

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want screens. Right? They want you to turn on a

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show or hand them the iPad or give them your

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phone, and they might have really good, like, strategies. They're

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like, let me look something up on Amazon, or I

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wanna play my favorite song, or I wanna see what time it time it

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is in New York City, or I wanna see the weather in New Delhi. Right?

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They're may be coming up with a really cool, that's

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educational here. I'll hand you my phone or, yeah, okay. I'll hand you the iPad.

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But, really, that's a quick fix. That's a

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brownie. That's a very fast little, you

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know, pop in to just relieve that discomfort, but it's short

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term. It's not gonna leave them satisfied. And then they're gonna be on their phone.

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You're gonna have to get it back or stop them a then

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transition again and go through boredom gap again.

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So the more time that you give your kids

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devices and the more time they spend

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on devices, the more their brain will crave

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that fast and easy stimulation.

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It's not gonna crave the long term work

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of free play. So what are you

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supposed to do? Right?

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When your kid is in a boredom gap, I

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want you to wait to be

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comfortable with your child's discomfort. Now if their kid is

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being, like, bugging their sibling

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or bugging you know, being disruptive or or, you know,

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creating kind of a problem for everybody, you can set a

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limit around that. You can say, oh, you're welcome to, you know,

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talk to me, and I'll help you with your big feelings as long as you're

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not hitting your brother. Right? So you can

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set some boundaries and use some limits. There's tons of episodes on this

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podcast about limit settings, so go back and read some of those.

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But how to handle the boredom gap

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in general is we want to

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wait and be acknowledging what is happening.

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So that's really what compassion is all about. It's being able

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to look at your child and think, oh, they don't know what to do with

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themselves. They're bored. They're dysregulated because they

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haven't sought they haven't figured out something to do with their brain yet.

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And I'm not gonna suggest anything yet. I'm just gonna wait, but I'm gonna be

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compassionate in that waiting. You guys know I love

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doctor Dan Siegel, and he coined the phrase name it to tame

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it. And, really, it is about naming what is

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happening. Sometimes we name that a to our kids.

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Sometimes we just name it for ourselves so that we can get compassionate.

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So when your kid is just, you know, bugging their brother or

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complaining or bugging their sister or throwing throwing, like,

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randomly, like, just picking up a pen and throwing it over and over again or

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whatever. It's like, you can say, oh, I I

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think I know what's happening right now. Is this a a gap? It

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feels like you're in a board a gap.

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So you can say that out loud, but most kids will get really mad. So

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I really want you to be just sort of thinking it. Like, oh,

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they're in a boredom gap. Oh my gosh. Okay. I can

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handle this. They're gonna find something. They're gonna find a solution. Let

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me redirect. Let me connect. Let me see how I can

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help them. So when your kids are saying,

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I'm bored or they're acting dysregulated, you can connect with

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them and give them some eye contact a maybe name sort

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of, are you having a rough time? Is it frustrating right now?

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You don't know what to do with your big body. You're bugging your sister. You're

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throwing things. You're, you know, having some trouble.

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I get it. That's normal. This is called boredom.

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It's okay. You're gonna get through it. So we

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want to be calm in that

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dysregulation, be the leader, and really kind of own what is

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happening and recognize, okay. They're in a

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dysregulated state. They're in a a a of gap. They're in a place where

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they don't know what to do, but don't go into solution yet.

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We need to soothe before we solve.

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We need to name before we go to now what.

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So really being a, being like instead of going, stop it. Stop it.

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Stop it. You're being so annoying or and trying to shut down that

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behavior or complaining or arguing with

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them or punishing them. We want

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them to see, like, okay. You're in a period of struggle, and I

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can help you with that. So once

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they release some of that stress juice, you can offer now what strategy

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do you need to move some big you know, move your body? Do you you

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know, why don't you come with me? Let me help you. Like or why don't

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you help me? They love to be little helpers or,

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you know, just connecting back with them

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and giving them some attention. Sometimes lonely

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sometimes boredom is a bit to connect. It's a

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feeling of loneliness. It's a feeling of,

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frustration. It's a feeling of annoyance. And so your kids, they

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need a little bit of support, and they need you to give them some words

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to describe that discomfort. So that's what

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connection really is. It's helping your child connect

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what they're feeling to how they're acting, giving them words

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to talk about what they're feeling. I always think of it as connecting them to

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them. Not connecting you to them, but connecting themselves to themselves.

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So you're naming it, and you're being

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compassionate. And then you kinda wait, and then you can

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say, hey. It's normal to feel bored. That makes

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sense. I'm sure you'll figure out a solution. So let me know what

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your ideas are. Or you can say to your

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kids, hey. It looks like you're looking for something to do. Let me know

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if you want any suggestions. So what you're doing

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there is you're inviting your child into some thinking.

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When they're bored, they're in their limbic Become. They're in their emotional center, and they

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just don't feel good, and they don't quite know how to solve for that.

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And so we're gonna access some thinking, getting them

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towards that prefrontal cortex, giving them some

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access to doing some problem solving by inviting them in.

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So don't go right into the solutions. Just say,

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let me know what you've come up with. Let me know what you have what

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what you think you calm do to solve your problem, or let me know if

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you want any ideas. So you're the guide

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in that moment. You're comfortable.

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You're allowing your kid's brain to find its own solution. You're trusting

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that your kid is going to figure it out.

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Now how long is a boredom gap? How long should you wait?

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What what what to expect? It really depends on how

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often your child has experienced

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boredom. The more your kids are bored, the

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more things, unstructured time, or

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unstructured activities that they experience, the better

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they get at overcoming and moving quickly through the

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boredom gap. When their brain is trained

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in that like, last week, I talked about discover mode versus defend

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mode. Discover mode is about going, what can

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I do to make this more interesting for me?

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That's the kind of problem solver we want. That's the kind of thinker we

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want. That's the kind of kid we wanna be raising. Right? A that's

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like, I can solve my problems. I don't

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have to feel a and bored. I don't have to wait for

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my parent to solve it for me. I don't have to wait for my parent

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to become a clown and entertain me. Like, I can entertain

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myself. That's so much more powerful and so much there's so much more

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self agency in that process if your child

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is comfortable with their own discomfort and can trust that they can figure out

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a solution. So

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it's like every time that you have not every

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time. I don't wanna be super extreme and hyperbolic. But, like, the more that

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your kids are on screens in gaps,

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the more they rely on technology to fulfill their

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creative and, need for free play.

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The more that you take the screen off of the table as an

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option, the better your kids get at finding in real

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world embodied big body movement at

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creative activities, things like that to solve for their own

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discomfort. The brain hates

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to be bored, and it hates to,

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find solutions. It wants the easiest and fastest

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way to do it. And so your brain is going to

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crave technology. Your brain is gonna crave

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sweets. Right? It wants the most efficient and effective way to get

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its needs met. And when you

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take some of those options off the table, the brain has to

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work harder, but it's better for it.

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Isn't that kind of cool? So, like, the more

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screen free breaks you create, the easier it will be for your kids

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to shift from this restless protest to creative exploration.

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There is going to be resistance. There's going to be protests. I want you to

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allow for some of that discomfort. Be compassionate

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and trust that your child is their natural

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inborn need for fun and for play and

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for learning and for exploring and discovering and creativity,

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it will come out if you allow it, if you trust it,

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if you wait. Now

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that initial boredom, once your kids get

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over that feeling, right, they can learn to

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prevent it by finding activities that are meaningful to

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them. So once they kind of learn

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how to walk through that boredom, they're like, I don't wanna feel that again. I'm

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just gonna keep finding fun stuff for myself to a. And they can learn to

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keep themselves busy. We want

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our kids to become resilient. Right? We want them to have grit. We want

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them to be able to overcome difficult emotions. We

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want them to be imaginative. We want them to be creative. Right? We wanna be

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problem solvers. We want them to have confidence. Right? We

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want all of these things, and that is

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the way we get that is by letting them find

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their own solutions a not giving

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them so much structure and so many activities and so

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much going on that they don't get

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to practice this boredom and this discomfort.

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Let me think I asked the I answered the question a few minutes ago about,

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like, how much time should you a. And the truth is, like, what I've

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noticed about parents, particularly in the summer,

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but even in the school year, is that the activities are

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not stacked back to back, but there's, like, these

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weird gap periods of time. Like, you have, you know,

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30 minutes or 45 minutes between one thing before you have to get

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ready and leave for the next thing, and your

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kids are not in the relaxed,

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open exploration, discover mode.

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They're in, like, a transition. Like, I only have, you

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know, a little bit of time between now and the next thing. And they

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may not want to get involved in something Become there is this

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idea that they know they have to leave soon. And

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so if your kids aren't gonna be allowed

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enough time to get into an activity

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and then stay in that activity and then enjoy it, they may

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not be committed to trying. So that's if that's the case and you've

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already got your schedule going, then that means that you need to have a

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little plan of what they're going to do during

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that period of time so they don't get dysregulated and ask for

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screens or sweets or bug their sibling. That's a

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bid for connection. So instead, you would need to be thinking

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like, okay. When we get back from camp, they they have, you

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know, karate or jujitsu at, you know, at 4. We

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get home at 3. We need to leave at 3:45. So I think

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I'll have, like, quiet reading time, or I'm gonna

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put out, you know, coloring books. I'm gonna have them do some

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chores. Like, have a little plan in place, and then

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you will just tell them, nope. We're not doing screens. This is what we're doing,

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and, you know, take it or leave it, especially if it's not chores.

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You know, you can do these chores now, or you can do it when we

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get back, you know, that kind of, limit setting.

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But knowing that you might need to create an adult

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led activity if you don't have enough time for them to

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get into something. Think about yourself. Like,

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imagine like, this always happened to me is that I would

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have my morning. I drop the kids off, do my morning stuff, dah dah dah

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dah, run errands, whatever, work, and all that. And then I would get to, like,

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1:30 or 2, and I would know I needed to go

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leave soon for pickup. And I would then decide, oh, I

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can't really get into anything right now. And I would feel a little

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restless, and I might even waste that time on my phone.

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And for me, one of my ways of entertaining myself is with

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reading reading novels. And so I just kind of created a little lifestyle

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for myself that the 30 minutes before I left to go do pickup, I

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had this luxury is that I would read my book, whatever fiction book

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I was reading. Sometimes I would drive drive school to school early, and

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I would sit if it was not too hot, or I would just sit in

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my house. I literally sat and

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read my book. Or sometimes I would watch a show because I would be like,

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well, I'm not gonna be able to a show tonight until, like, 9, and I

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wanna relax, and I wanna have a good time. So I'm gonna sit here and

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watch a show, which is not

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you know, I'm gonna talk more about screens next week, but, obviously, I'm not a

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little kid where I'm getting my dopamine and all that all the time from

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screens. Right? Because I have a big life. So

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it can be a television show if you want it to be, but I would

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encourage that if you do use screens that they are in a

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communal environment and everyone is watching the same

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thing on the big TV, not individual

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devices where everyone is separated. So that way there's still

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some community aspect and some problem solving of what we're gonna watch

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and and all of that together. So there's some

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benefits. If you are gonna do screen, there's a lot of benefits to doing it

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as a community. So, but I just wanted you to notice

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for yourself. Like, sometimes you're bored. Sometimes you're restless. You don't know what to do

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with yourself, and you might find yourself scrolling on

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Instagram or something like that or reading the news or Twitter or whatever you

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do. And that might be your sugar,

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like your quick fix. And maybe there's something more enriching that

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you could do if you didn't have access to screens. What would you

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do? Maybe you would, you know, look a,

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everything I think about is, like, looking up stuff. But, maybe you would pet

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your dog or go for a walk or do some stretching or, you

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know, I don't know. Whatever task you might do or or

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activity that you might do, think about how you struggle in that moment.

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That's what I want you to a with. It's like that restless feeling you have

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when you're not sure what to do and you don't wanna get into something because

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you don't have a lot of time. That's kinda how your kids feel sometimes.

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So when they're in that dysregulated state a you can tell

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it's because they are bored, I want you to really be

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thinking, okay, they're bored. They're in a boredom gap. This is not

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a problem. You can offer them some compassion for

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their feelings. You know, you can be like, I get it. It's hard.

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You don't know what to do with yourself. That's that's normal. And you wanna,

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like, bug your brother, or you wanna bug your sister, or you wanna bug me,

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or you wanna bug the dog. That makes sense. That doesn't

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work. So you either need to figure out what you're gonna do, or I can

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help you. So what do you wanna do? Do you want some help? Do you

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want some ideas? And then you wait and

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see if they're ready for some ideas, and then you say, well, why don't you,

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you know, play a a, whatever the ideas are that you have. So

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like I said, I have a toolkit

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in the on my website, the summer toolkit, and has 80 plus

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boredom busters, and it kinda describes this boredom gap and the

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step by step directions of how to handle a boredom gap. So I

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highly encourage you you get your toolkit. Go to my website, calm on the

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coaching.com, and get that link and, you know,

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download that, toolkit. If you already have it,

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go back and remember this section and read through those boredom

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gap busters and get some ideas, and then follow the

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steps of naming it, being compassionate, and then

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asking if they want some support. Alright.

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I want you to remember

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that with once your child moves through the boredom

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gap, on the other side of that is

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fun. It's play. It's

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creativity. It's learning with their bodies.

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It's practicing gross motor movement. It's practicing fine

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motor. It's sitting and learning something.

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It's actually very enjoyable on the

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other side. So if you're if you as the

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parent, if you don't allow for that

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boredom, you don't allow for that discomfort,

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your kids, they don't get the experience of free

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and imaginative play. They don't

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learn that they have an innate love of nature or sports or

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art or just that pleasure they have of relaxing

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and reading a book or petting the dog or staring out the

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window and looking at how the wind and the birds come through.

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There's so much value to boredom. Think

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about your own childhood. Think about thinking about car

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rides before we had any devices and how, like,

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you sit in the car and you watch the trees go by, and it feels

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like the trees are moving and you're staying still.

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You know, that that feeling when you're just staring, the trees are like,

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a you're like, oh, am I moving or the tree's moving? Like,

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that's such a beautiful reflection. It's, like, so little

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kid like. Right? Just staring and going, That

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color green is different than that color green. Oh, look. There's a

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bird. Oh, is it windy outside? And

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then getting into that discover mode and going outside

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and feeling, oh, it's so hot. Oh, look. There's a bug. And

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then looking at the bug and then picking up the bug a then wondering if

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ladybugs have babies and having a whole conversation with yourself about

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ladybugs. That is Childress, And it

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does not happen on an iPad. It does

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not happen in an episode of Bluey. You might watch Bluey

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having those experiences, but that's not the

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same as you going in your own yard and finding your own friend to

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play with and figuring it out for yourself.

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So I hope that you see that

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there will be a gap between where

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the brain knows what it's supposed to be doing or is engaged

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to the next thing. That's a boredom gap. It's

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normal. Allow for it. Be okay with that

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uncomfortableness. Don't go to a solution

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yet. Be compassionate and wait. Wait for your kid's

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brain to crave it. They will Become

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that's what it's like to be a human child. It's super cool.

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Okay. If you have if you a help with this, like, for reals, like,

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you're like, okay, darling. I'm listening to your podcast, and I love it. And,

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also, I don't quite know how to do anything you ever say.

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Then I think I get it Become I feel the same way sometimes about stuff

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I'm learning. Just reach out. Book a consultation.

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I have a free 25 minute complimentary consultation with me. I

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have them, you know, scheduled, like, lots of times where you can

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pop into my calendar, and we'll just meet. You can talk to me in

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person. I'll tell you about my programs. I'll tell you about working with me, or

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I'll just kinda listen and get to know you. It's really lovely. I love

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these conversations so much. And, yeah. So do

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that. A. Go to programs, scroll

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down, schedule a consultation with me, and let's get to know each

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other. Okay. If you're listening to this, the day it

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comes out, happy 4th July, and I hope you are

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in your summer mode and having a good time and that you have lots and

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lots and lots of free, unstructured

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time for yourself and for your kids.

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Alright, a. I will talk to you next week.