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This is episode 755 of the Dressage radio show on the Horse radio network, brought to you by Kentucky performance Products.

On today's show, we go behind the scenes at the 2024 dressage at Devon with Lauren Chumley and Kimmy Poulen.

Then we had a great conversation with Jennifer Tillo on rider biomechanics for all types of riders.

This is Reese Koepler Stanfield in Georgetown.

Kentucky, and I am Megan McIsaac from Oregon, Wisconsin, and you're listening to the dressage radio show.

Hi, Megan.

How are you tonight?

Hey, Reese.

I'm crazy.

I'm getting ready for regionals.

I know.

See, we.

I had this panic, like, last month, and now it's your turn.

So what are you.

I know.

Yeah.

What are you guys up to?

So, we just had a warm up show to get the.

The dust off the boots, and I just kind of wanted to give a little tip out to everyone.

Do not bring new products.

Do not change the tack.

Don't do anything new.

Keep it the same, girl.

Preach it.

Oh, my God.

That's, like, my.

My biggest pet peeve is when someone's like, I brought a new.

Ah.

What?

Don't do it.

Don't even.

A saddle pad.

Like, I'm, like, riding it before.

I know you think it'll be okay, but what if it isn't and it's different and it is not and it's not okay?

No, I'm totally with you.

So, I had three horses.

My grand Prix horse is.

It gave me the ride that I want to have at regionals.

Yeah, buddy.

So that was fantastic.

I'm figuring out my hot, spicy mare.

That's my small tour horse.

Love it.

And then, unfortunately, my little baby horse got new product and broke out in hives, so we had a pretty rough show.

Oh, no.

Yeah, you know what?

That's a thing.

New products, because you never know if they will have an allergy or something.

Nothing like, you don't know.

Same products.

I mean, I.

Yeah, I'm like, use the same soap.

Like, I'm really weird about it, too.

Oh, I'm superstitious.

So, Wednesday, we leave for regionals.

We're going to Missouri.

The truck is going in for an oil change.

I'm checking the tires, and then we pack.

So I'm a little crazy right now.

Not with it.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're crazy.

I get it.

I get it.

We got lucky because it was just down the street.

So we're good.

So everything here, I'd like to say it settled down.

This week's a little bit easier, but we're getting ready for the thoroughbred makeover here, here in Lexington.

So that's next week.

So same thing.

Like, obviously our hearts are going out to everyone in the hurricane and North Carolina and Tennessee.

We had some hurricane damage here, but obviously nothing.

We lost some trees.

I haven't actually, I don't think ever at my farm have I taken a day off for a weather event like that, other than like, really cold weather or something.

But, I mean, it was crazy windy.

So we're really sending our prayers to everyone in North Carolina and our listeners, please know that we're here.

And I, you know, we were talking before the show.

There's lots of charities there to donate.

I actually donate to world central kitchen.

I always have.

So I sent some donations there.

I think that's a fantastic organization.

So there's lots of organizations that are there on the ground and we're sending our love there.

So please know that we're doing that.

We're talking about a horse showing.

But I had horses that had gone to an event in South Carolina and got stranded.

I mean, it was, it's just been crazy.

Yeah, there was an event here, and I think that does go to the question of.

And it was tough.

It was, it was hard because it was our championships for the Avengers last weekend.

I just talked.

I had, I had four riders to go and I just said, listen, I mean, this is, this is crazy.

They did not cancel.

They canceled the cross country, but we had really bad wins here on Friday.

And I just told him, I said, look, I.

If it's me, I'm not.

It's.

Ribbon isn't worth it in a natural disaster.

So always take a deep breath.

That's where your coach comes in.

I mean, it's tough.

You've worked for it all year, but our footing in that part of the horse park isn't great.

And honestly, just having a trailer out and the amount of trees that we're falling, like, I, we brought, we had our horses in by 08:00 like, it got started getting really windy.

It was supposed to come in at nine, but around eight things were flying around and, and we brought our horses in and we were able to do that.

So, yes, just, it was tough, but I think that's the other tip is like, really, if a natural disaster is coming, it's a horse show, you know, really safety first.

And so my horses are all happy sound.

They didn't go you know, I think the riders, you know, it was so bad at the end of the day, they were glad they didn't go, but it was, it was hard.

So, so anyways, that, that's the not fun part of last weekend, but we do wish everybody well.

We can't wait to hear about your show.

I love that tip.

It's true.

Don't use anything new tech equipment.

Don't do it.

Don't do it.

Don't do it, people.

Don't do it.

So I love it.

So it's fantastic.

So also a couple other things.

The USDF convention is happening in Houston.

Yes.

Megan and I are going to be there and we're really excited.

So the registration, I got an email today is open now for anybody that wants to come join us at convention.

We're going to do some stuff with the book club and we have a very exciting announcement, USTF book club that was recently launched.

We have done an interview with Nancy Jaffers here on our show.

But the first webinar for the book club is coming October 8 at 08:00 p.m.

if you have any information, I am literally getting this from the USDF Facebook page and come join us.

We will love having everyone join us for the book club.

And we have a new book, right, Megan, what's our new book for the book club?

It is Janet Foy's dressage for the not so perfect horse.

I'm really excited to read this book.

Yeah, we are excited.

We're going to be, that'll be what we'll be leading when we are at convention.

And you also get to meet Megan and I and chat with us.

So we're really looking forward to it.

So we have a great show for you guys tonight.

We hope you enjoy.

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Well, our first guest tonight is Lauren Chumley.

And like she said in our pre game, she said, oh, we've known each other for 100 years and we have known each other a very long time.

She's from Cincinnati, Ohio, and she is going to tell you all about her amazing summer and at time at festival and dressage at Devon.

Well, tonight we are so excited to have Lauren Chumley back on the show to hear about her crazy girl summer.

Hi, Lauren.

Welcome to the show.

Hey, what's up?

Oh, my gosh, girl.

I mean, obviously, I have been.

I can't even follow you anymore.

You have been all over the place.

First of all, tell everybody a little bit about yourself.

Well, let's see.

I grew up in Cincinnati, where I methadore Reese.

Yeah.

A million years ago, we were kids.

You were doing young riders, and I was doing training level test four in a really wicked chair seat.

It was a good time.

On a third track.

Yep.

Yeah.

Look at where we are now.

Where even are we?

Where even are we?

I love it.

Oh, God.

So now I'm in New Jersey.

I've been in Jersey for like 18 years or something.

Crazy.

Wow.

Yeah.

You moved there for a working student job, right?

Yeah.

I got hired as Silke's assistant trainer, and I was with her for four years.

And then I went out on my own, which, I don't know, that seemed like a good idea at the time, but, like, what was I thinking?

And I'm still, like, trying to figure that out.

I was like, who's gonna pay for the toilet paper?

Oh, it's me, right?

I have to.

So, yeah.

Yeah.

So I'm out here trying to be a horse trainer, and we do a lot of, we do a lot of attempted horse training.

I show some horses sometimes and we do a lot of sales.

And I have a huge working student program because I love to help young professionals because I just think they're really cool and it's the future of the sport.

And I think we really have to focus on how to train young horses to grand Prix in this country.

So that's kind of my dream and my goal.

And sometimes they make some money, but not a whole lot.

But I do have a lot of fun.

You and this summer, you have had quite a lot of fun.

Yeah.

Yeah, we had.

This is a crazy summer.

I've had, like, a really cool year, actually, and started out in Florida, and it's just kind of kept rolling and it's been super fun.

Tell us about your cool year.

Well, in Florida, so I got.

They put me on the emerging horse list, and my older mare is now on the development list.

So I got, like, double listed, which is pretty cool when you're used to riding third bridge from Ohio and you're like, okay, this is cool.

So, you know, I had a little bit, you know, I did a lot of training this winter with.

On my row with Michael Bragdell, and it was great because he was, you know, 25 minutes away.

So I rode with him.

I had, like, six lessons a week with different horses because I have a whole string of horses that are all, you know, we bought them all as foals.

We started them, and now they're all, you know, they're all growing up.

So a few of them are at Grand Prix.

We got sort of small tour, fourth level, third level.

Like, they're all over.

It's just been really, really fun.

So we got to work a whole lot with him this winter.

I got to work with Christine Traurig and Charlotte Bradal, who was amazing.

They're both so helpful this winter.

Being on the development program has been amazing because you get access to this, like, amazing, incredible coaching.

Tell us how you get on the list for our listeners that may not know.

Well, I've been doing in horses my whole life because, like a lot of people, there is no money to go buy an FBI horse.

There is still not money to do really anything.

We make it work.

But, yeah, so we were, you know, I was always riding young horses.

And then I started to buy some babies because, you know, I'm really, really, really close friends with Alice Tarzan, and she was buying babies, and she's like, you gotta buy babies cause they're cheap, and then you can train them, and if they're not quite quality enough for what you need, you can sell them and make money.

And I'm like, oh, that sounds easy.

Like, I'll do that.

So I bought some babies, and I didn't sell them, I kept them.

And now they're all at Fei, which is really cool.

And then the first full I ever bought is the Lilu Dallas.

That's my first.

I call her my oldest child.

We started her.

I bought her off a video.

I never go and see them.

I just buy them.

Wow.

Yeah.

Off their lines.

Because I kind of feel like you can't really go wrong.

Whatever you get, you can train everything to Fei, and if it's not going to be what you need, you can always sell it and use that money to invest in something else and do it again.

But what you need is obviously depends on the individual.

Like, I'm looking for something.

I can do 70% CDI grand Prix eventually, but not everybody needs that.

Maybe you just want to get a small tour and get your silver or do young riders or something.

So there's lots of goals.

But I figured I would just buy some lines that I liked.

And I liked Lilius mechanic, and she was really cute.

She was black with four white socks.

And I was like, that's perfect, right?

Like, who doesn't want that, right?

And so I started with her.

It was the first one, and she's been just really, really a great horse.

Like, she's really cool.

She was not a big young horse winner.

I did the young horse stuff with her because I think it's really good exposure for the horses, and it's always nice.

You know, you get as much press at Lamplight as you do winning a CDI at Global.

So I think it's a really good.

I think it's a really good career thing to do is to do the young horses if you can.

And I like the whole process of it.

I like the feedback from the judges.

I just like the whole thing, and I still do the young horse stuff.

So, you know, she wasn't a big winner at the young horse.

Like, we didn't.

I didn't even try at four because she wasn't really trained enough.

And then at five, I don't.

I didn't.

I didn't go to lamplight with her at five.

She didn't make it.

She was like, rank, you know, 150th or something.

Like, you know, because she's not, she's not a spectacular mover.

You know, she's got an oak, you know, an average walk, a pretty cool trot.

Like, she had a good mechanic.

So I was like, that's kind of fun.

Maybe that'll be cool.

And then the canner is like, kind of not the best.

But I just kept training her, and we didn't make it to lamplight at six year olds.

And we were dead last.

We were dead last because we were, like, four beating in the canner.

And I was like, oh, this is probably not good, but we did it anyway.

And we got.

We got a neck ribbon.

So that was fun.

And then I went back at seven year olds last year and we were dead last.

And, you know, I was fine.

She was green.

It was like 3000 degrees last year at lamplight.

And she was awful.

Yeah.

And she's kind of, like, really round and kind of fat and black and hairy.

So she was like, it's hot.

So it was.

It was hot.

I kind of like, come on, we gotta do it.

We did it.

It was not the best, but we did it.

And then.

And then this winter here, you know, we started last year, like, with the basics of Pia passage.

I was like, oh, that's where you're gonna shine.

The Pia passage is like.

It's gonna be.

It's incredible.

She's such a good mechanic for Pia passage.

And her, you know, her cannons are for average, but her flying changes in her pirouettes are really, really special.

So you pick up a lot of points if you can do a can of pirouette.

I've learned.

So I've been trying to learn how to do tanner pirouettes for a really long time.

Because, you know, Michael's like, hey, if you can canter pirouette, you can walk for a six and a half.

Because her walks pure.

But it's not, you know, there's not a lot of overtrack.

It's very average, right?

So I'm like, okay, well, I guess I better learn how to canter pirouette because I can't make her walk bigger.

I've been attempting to learn how to canter pirouette for a really long time.

And poor Michael is like that.

That man deserves, like, a medal for trying to teach me how to pirouette on, like, 27 horses.

But I think I'm getting the hang of it.

Clearly you are, because you all look okay at Devon.

You just had a good devon.

Pretty good.

Yeah, I had a great devon, but, yes, you did.

Yes.

So.

So Lila went from, like, last place and all the young horse stuff.

And then last year, she was seven.

Last year, regionals, and we did a pre St.

George, and it was pretty good.

And I was like, that was a pretty nice test.

She got, like, a 70.

And I won the championship.

And I was like, that's kind of cool.

So I guess I'll go to Kentucky.

So then we toodled out to Kentucky, and I had a pretty nice test out there, too, and I was like, oh, I think that was a good pre St.

George.

And then I won that.

Oh, that was really cool, because she's only seven and she won all this stuff, so she was already on the emerging horse list.

And then at seven, when they turn eight, they age out of the emerging list.

And then we went to the.

They had a development clinic over at, I think, what, January with Charlotte and Christine, and they, you know, it's like an observation thing they teach you, but I think that, you know, they kind of see where you're at and if you're ready to move on to the development list.

So they moved me onto the development list, which was, like, super, super cool, you know, if you're me, like, that's like, yeah, I'm super excited.

I'm still excited about it.

So that was really fun.

So that's how she got on the development list, and hopefully we can continue, because her love it visage continues to develop, and her ones are really, really cool.

Like, it's going to be a great grand prix horse.

Yeah, I love it.

Well, and you have some young ones coming up.

I mean, you won the breed show at Devon, girl.

Holy smokes.

I love the breed show at Devon.

I know everyone's like, why are you there?

I say, I go to Devon from Monday to Sunday every year, and I freaking love the breed show.

And basically material, because material is, like, my favorite class and no joke.

My entire goal in life is to go to Devon and do at the same show.

I want to ride the three year old material and the CDI grand Prix.

That's, like, my goal in life.

Do it, do that.

You're on your way.

I'm getting there.

I just need a little bit more time because I had to grow them.

But they're coming.

They're coming.

You got it.

And so you're still.

Yeah.

I don't normally do the in hand stuff, but I had him last year.

I bought it.

We bought him as a foal, my client, Joe Kosick, and I bought him as a baby.

He is out of a jazz mare that is the same.

It's the mother of my masterful dream horse, who is on the emerging list.

I love the mare.

I've had a bunch of her.

I basically buy everything that comes out of this mare because I think it's a fantastic mare, and she's a great producer, like, incredible hind leg, great mechanic for the piafasage, and I love that.

And they're jazz, they're a little bit hot, right?

Which, you know, if you can hang on to it till they're six or seven, you're going to be great.

But, yeah, so I bought.

We bought this cult because I wanted to have one cult.

I want to have one stack.

We have stallions at the farm that our client owns.

Stallions.

But I want to have one.

That was my one stallion because more than that's a lot of stallion, sort of one.

And we were like, this is the one.

And we bought him.

And then at two, I was like, oh, he's really pretty.

Maybe we should put him in the breed show.

Like, he's like feral out in the field, right?

And I'm like, I think we should maybe take him to Devin.

That could be fun.

And everyone's like, what are you doing?

And I'm like, well, he's pretty, and I think he trots nice, right?

And he has a good walk.

So, you know, we would, like, put a bridle on him and ran him around a little bit.

And I was like, I think this will work.

My poor working students are trotting this two year old feral monster up and down the arena.

They're like, what are you doing?

And we hate this job.

And I'm like, just trust me, it'll be great.

So we took him to Devon and he got.

He got our grand champion last year.

That was pretty cool.

And we won some money, and the breeder was there.

It was like, the whole thing.

Yeah, it was pretty cool.

We won a bunch of money.

Like, where do we win money?

I thought that was fun.

Like, I actually got a check.

I was like, whoa, breeder, cool.

I would have faded.

Yeah, I would just.

I did.

I did.

I, like, sent it straight to the vet bill.

And then this year, I was like, you know what?

I'm going to take him again because he's really pretty now.

Like, he's beautiful.

He's just like, beautiful stallion.

And I took him this year, and then I was trying to lead him around on Monday, and I was like, I don't think I like stallions anymore.

Like, he's like, he's big and he's like, I really love this.

So anyway, poor turtle, Bruce Griffin Turtle.

He handled him for me.

He's a beautiful job.

He won the whole thing.

And it was.

He was awesome.

It was fun.

And he would.

He would be like, do you want me to come get him in the stall?

I'm like, I'll get him halfway, and then you take it yes, please.

Oh, that's awesome.

I said, this is a good boy job.

This is a job for boys.

Take this horror.

Yes, please.

Yeah, it's wild there.

Devin, you're brave.

I love it.

No, I love it.

It's so fun.

It's, like, just the right level of chaos for my brain, so it's just so.

And I love the three year olds.

And I didn't have a young horse to ride in the material, so I literally made a post on Facebook that I wanted to catch, ride something.

Okay.

That's the level of nuts I am.

And then my friend Hannah, my friend Hannah sent me a four year old to ride, like, a great four year old that she'd bred from her program.

And I showed him, and he got some ribbons, and it was super fun.

So it was great.

But I did.

I catch rode to material at Devon.

It was a blast.

Oh, my gosh.

I love it.

So fun to hear.

I mean, I kept seeing the Facebook posts, and you had Nicholas there, which Nicholas, like, Nicholas always asks a vacation man.

Nicholas did everything this year because they called me, you know, because the people who run Devon, they know that I'm, like, up for all kinds of craziness, right?

So they're like, we need it.

Last year, they're like, we need a horse to dance off.

So I was going to take Nicholas, but he actually got sick, like, three weeks before Devon.

I had to scratch him, so I ended up subbing in Lilu, which was hilarious.

Yeah, exactly.

My seven year old, I suppose, before grand Prix, and I was like, I can sort of pee off, but not really.

But it was fine.

But like that.

And then they had.

This year, they.

They call me back and they're like, hey, do you want to ride in the dance off?

I'm like, oh, yeah.

Is the pope Catholic?

Yes, I do.

I've never seen it.

Yeah, I've never seen it.

What's.

It's ridiculous.

It's so fun.

So this year, there were four.

It was always four of us, and there's always me and Jim Coford, because, obviously.

Right?

Like, who are the, like, idiots of dressage?

Me and Jim.

So it's always.

And then we had Lauren Samus, who won last year, and then they had Silva this year, who was.

Silva won the whole thing.

She was amazing.

She did a great job.

So it's like a collaboration with this string quartet and these breakdancers, and it's like this whole.

It's so fun.

And this year, we all had a theme, and they were, like, decades.

So, Jim was the seventies, like, obviously.

But I was the nineties, obviously.

Yes.

And Silva had the sixties, and she had the best.

Like, she had.

Obviously, they have a little bit more resources than some of us.

She had a whole team.

She had this costume on, this horse.

There was, like, a pink breastplate with flower power all over it.

Oh, my God.

She did amazing.

It was awesome.

Awesome.

So, yeah, then you go in and they play.

They play music from your decade that your.

Your theme is related to.

Right.

And you are basically supposed to do.

You're supposed to, like, make up a freestyle on the fly.

Oh.

So it's only, like, it's like 60 or 90 seconds, so.

And then.

And then, like.

So Jim and I go first and we do trot.

We do.

Our stuff is supposed to be the trot, right?

So, like, I did, like, pia facage, piaf pirouettes, big old half passes.

I tried to do extension, but it's pony.

So it was a pony extension, but I did it, you know, and then, you know, Jim did his thing, and then they vote on who.

Who wins the trot round.

Right?

So then that person advances to the final.

Now, we ended up having to cut the final last week because the award ceremony had run late and we couldn't start the grand Prix late, obviously.

Right.

CDI.

So we had to cut the final.

So we just did, like, we all went once, and then they voted, and it was fine.

Yeah, but it's just so much fun.

It's just kind of fun and entertaining and, like.

Yeah, yeah, it's fun.

It's like dressage fun.

And I, you know, I love doing things that are fun with dressage because I think we need more of that if you want to, like, you know, draw in people from the outside world that think we're stuck up jerks because it's kind of how it looks, you know, in our penguin suits in 95 degrees.

So you come to your party and glitter and do a PF pirouette.

Like, he had a hat on his head.

Like, all kinds of stuff.

Like, love it.

It was hilarious.

Yeah, it was great.

Oh, my gosh, it's so much fun.

It's so much fun.

I love that stuff.

We have to back up because you had amazing Devin, but you went to the Olympics.

I mean, girl.

What?

You've been all over.

Yeah, I got to go to Europe twice this year, which is amazing.

I basically spent most of my life following Alice Tarzan around the world, which has been really fun.

That sounds fun.

I'm just, like an emotional support animal, which is great.

I also braid sometimes.

And you braid and you groom and you get the horses ready for, you know, often.

I love.

Yeah, I love to brush horses in Europe.

It's fun.

So it's the best fun because it's no pressure, you know, I'm, like, just gonna go and observe and have fun and support and be part of the team, and I love that.

And you get to be in the barns, behind the scenes, on the sidelines of the ring.

I love it.

It's so cool.

I got to pick up Charlotte Dujardin's horse's poop last year.

It was amazing.

Yeah, you did.

Yeah, you did.

You're like, I got this.

I got it.

I did.

There's a picture of me doing it.

I'm pretty sure it's on my facebook somewhere, because I was like, we're going to find it.

I have to know, though, what was your favorite moment at the Olympics behind the scenes that no one knows about?

You know, I didn't.

So I didn't actually groom at the Olympics.

The Olympics, you have to do your credentials for, like, months and months.

Like six.

That's a different ball.

So I didn't.

Yeah, it's totally different rules.

So I didn't actually groom at the Olympics, but I was there all the time.

But watching the freestyles, like, I watched the whole freestyle.

My friend Kim and I went and.

And we hung out with Alice Marcus, and it was awesome.

But, like, just to see that level of dressage and to see the best in the world, to watch, you know, Isabelle on Wendy and, like, just awesome.

Like, so cool, you know, and Hans, Peter, all these incredible riders, just to see them do, because watching it unclip my horse from my kitchen table is cool.

Seeing it in person is, like, you get that.

You get the presence of the horses, and it's just awesome.

I'm so glad I got to go.

Like, I didn't, like, really have time or money to do it, but I was like, the opportunity comes, you take it, right?

Yeah.

So, yeah, I know.

I'm always doing that craziness.

You are.

You're really good about that, though.

But, no, that's such a big thing.

Probably rein it in a bit.

But I love to do that stuff.

Yeah, but when you're going to get this opportunity again, you know, never.

Yeah, you may never.

Yeah, you may never.

So I'm.

You know, and, like everyone always tells you, tomorrow is never promised, so I'm gonna do it today.

Right.

So I'm a big fan of that.

And that's something I've learned from Alice, so, you know, with her, you know, cancer history and everything.

So I'm like, let's do it.

Like, we're gonna go.

We're gonna do it.

It's gonna be great.

And it was great.

It was awesome.

It was such a great time.

Versailles is an incredible time.

I've never been to France before.

Oh, my God.

And we were in Versailles most of the time.

We did go into Paris, which was cool for what we had one day that we didn't have tickets to anything, so we went into Paris, and we did little touristy things.

I got to see all the stuff, you know, Eiffel Tower.

It was so cool.

Like, what a great week we had.

It was just.

It's just like, I.

I don't really go on vacations.

I go on horse show vacations.

Like, I go over to Europe with Alice, and that's on vacation, but that's my dream.

Like, I love that I'm not going to sit on a beach.

I mean, listen to me talk.

Do I sound like I'm sitting on a beach?

You're driving a horse trailer.

I love it.

I love it.

And you were at Aachen, too, right?

You did Aachen, and I didn't go.

To Aachen this year.

I didn't go to Aachen this year.

I was going to go to Aachen this year, but then I had an opportunity.

Michael had Morton come into Hilltop, so I rode with Morton for that week, which was amazing.

Yeah, that was amazing.

You know, he's so great, so he's been just really helpful for my ride, and, you know, just there's, like, the next level that I'm trying to get to, you know, unsuccessfully, but working on it.

Absolutely.

You know, he and Michael have been amazing, and I didn't want to pass up that opportunity.

And plus, you know, I've been to aken twice.

I'm kidding.

Yeah, I've been to Aachen twice with Alice already.

I was like, okay.

This time.

Well, I didn't think I could do Aachen and Paris, you know.

Sure.

So I stayed here.

I rode with Morton.

I'm super glad I did.

And then I got to go to Paris, and that was amazing.

And then we went to Airmelo a few weeks ago.

Airmelo?

You went to Airmelo?

That's what it was, yeah.

Yeah.

Cause I've been stalking you.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, it's not hard to stalk because I just.

I think it's cool to, like, kind of chronicle all this craziness of my life because it's so fun.

Yeah.

And I know you're going, so I'm watching.

And I have, like, through her facebook page is awesome.

I love it.

Well, I started, like, photo blog these trips because I'm, like, in the bathroom in the Barna hawk, and I'm like, look at this cool german toilet.

Like.

Well, it's fun for the random boo.

Yeah.

So tell us about Amerlo.

What was Airmelo?

So, so cool.

Like, the timing of Airmelo was.

Was a little tricky for me because it's, like, right before lamplight, and I was like, I probably shouldn't go, but I did groom at Airmelo, and I was like, screw it, I'm going.

So, again, opportunity.

So it was.

It was just like, to be immersed in that level of competition with the young horses was so cool because I got to see, like, all of these up and coming stallions.

Like, I'm sure you're going to see some of these horses at LA, like, 100%.

And just to be out there and, you know, at Airmelo, the horses are based on their.

I think.

I think their nationality is based on, like, either where they live or their breeder lives.

Yeah.

So, like, lottie fry is riding around in the dutch orange jackets.

Like, she's got.

She's listed as Dutch.

So I was, like, totally confused because I'm like, well, she writes for Great Britain.

I'm confused.

And then I figured it out.

I was like, oh, that's so cool.

Right?

But it was cool to watch.

Like, to watch these.

These are Olympians that are riding four and five year olds.

Yeah.

So cool.

Like, yeah, but I'm like, that's the thing.

Like, that's really cool because that's not so common over here.

No, you know, that's right.

But I think it's going to start to get more common because I think it's the only way we're going to be competitive on the global stage.

But that's a whole other hill.

That's a whole.

That's a whole other discussion.

Girl, we'll hop you back onto that hill.

That's a different discussion.

Worth the discussion.

For sure.

Worth the discussion.

Yeah, for sure.

For sure.

Like, you're doing.

And I think, you know, Megan and I are doing, like, we're all trying because, again, we can't afford.

I can't go also.

But the world brings me.

But it's not the same.

It's not the same if you.

If you are buying it.

It's not the same as making it yourself.

And it's, like, you know, and that's the thing.

The comment that I get from judges and other, you know, the feedback I get from people when I'm riding Lilu, which is not perfect.

Like, I'm not perfect.

I'm very, very, very far from perfect.

The horse is not perfect.

We're working on it.

But they're like, there's something about the pair of you together that's magic.

And I'm like, yeah.

Because I made it, right.

Yep.

We broke that horse.

We started that horse, you know?

And that's the thing that I think makes the magic, you know?

So that's what.

Yeah, it's cool.

It's really fun.

It is so cool.

And we could keep you here all night.

You are so exciting, and you're just infectious and how excited you are about our sport.

And if anyone wants to follow you on Facebook because.

Or Instagram or any of the places, how do they find it?

Because I love watching you.

It's so much fun.

And seeing.

I'm literally.

How is she doing this?

Love it.

Because she doesn't sleep.

Like, I.

Clearly.

You don't sleep.

Yeah.

I'm gonna go home and edit sales videos tonight when I get off this freaking highway, but, yeah, so I have my.

I don't have a business page because I'm too lazy to maintain multiple Facebook pages.

So I just have my personal page, which is like, my business page, because there really isn't a difference at this point.

My personal life and business life are the same.

So I am this.

So you can find my Facebook page.

I'm on it all the time.

I post horses for sale there.

I post stupid, ridiculous things and german toilet pictures.

Like, I post lots of things.

That's great.

Yeah.

So I'm there.

I'm also on Instagram because somebody connected them, which is great when you're like, an elder millennial and you're like, Instagram is stupid.

I.

So it's not actually stupid.

I just don't have time for two.

But then they hooked them together, so that was kind of fun for me.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I'm there.

And then I have a website that's also equally ridiculous.

If you go to my website, just, Lauren, tell me.

Dressage, if you want to laugh, because my website is, I think, hilarious because that's the vibe that I live with.

It is not your average dressage regime.

I love it.

Well, Lauren, thank you so much for your time.

This has been so fun.

And, girl, we're going to keep.

We're going to keep tabs on you because we're thrilled with all your success, and it's so fun to watch it.

Well, thank you so much for having me.

It's always a pleasure.

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well, tonight we are very excited to have Kimmy Poulen.

She is an international grand prix rider and trainer based in New Jersey.

Kimmy, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me.

Well, we are thrilled to have you.

And you.

First of all, we want to introduce you and we want to talk about your amazing Devin.

So, first of all, can you tell us about yourself?

I work for Lauren Chumley, and I've been riding since I was eleven.

I started with hunter jumpers, but quickly fell in love with dressage just because of the detail oriented nature of it.

And that was in Texas.

So I moved to the east coast in 2010 and I've never looked back.

I love it here.

So, yeah, awesome.

Well, you had an amazing Devon experience.

I want to hear what your favorite moment was.

Definitely the grand Prix freestyle.

That was incredible.

And what was it like riding in the lights and at Devon?

Tell us all about it.

I love Devon.

Oh, my gosh.

Devon is my favorite horror show ever.

There's this atmosphere and this vibe there that's just, you don't get it anywhere else.

And it's, I don't know, it feels very close and like it's a family thing and not just like you're going to horror show and everyone's serious and, you know, it's really cool atmosphere.

But my favorite thing, definitely this year, the horse, the grand Prix horse I was riding.

Hot date.

He can be a little bit variable in his performance.

He can sometimes get nervous and not do all the things I know he can do.

And this last weekend, he was phenomenal.

He blew my expectations out of the water and just far exceeded anything anyone ever thought he could do.

So that was amazing.

Especially since I've decided after this year, after regionals and hopefully finals, that I'm letting him step down to our working student and letting him do young riders with her.

Wow.

So for him to have that kind of finish was just perfect.

So perfect.

Well, tell everybody a little bit about dressage.

Devon Wyatt's historic, and if you've never been there and kind of walk us through what it's like to ride there at night and be a part of that whole experience.

So it's a very old show grounds, and it's super famous for the hunter jumper show that they have.

And I think it's a spring, they have several different ones, but it's.

You definitely have this old traditional feeling and the riding under the lights, there's always a ton of people in the stands.

And especially this year, the Grand Prix had, the Grand Prix for the freestyle had 21 riders, so that might have been the biggest Grand Prix class that they've ever had.

I'm not sure, but certainly up there, if it's not the biggest.

So there's always a lot of people in the stands and they're cheering for you and they get really into everyone's performance, and it just, like I said, it feels like you're there with family and everyone's on your side, and it's a really great feeling.

I'm so glad you had that as your last CDI I just think, because I've been watching you on facebook.

Big fan since we met at regionals, and I'm just.

I'm so excited for you.

So congratulations.

Tell us about your youngster.

You also had an amazing show with him at Devon.

Yes, he is literally perfect.

There's not one thing wrong with that horse.

He a pleasure to have, and he was incredible.

He was very good at festival.

We had a great result at festival of champions, and then we came to Devon and he just stepped it up a whole nother level.

And I'm, as we all do in this journey, we figure out the horse more and more.

So I've figured out a better preparation for him.

He's a pretty hot horse, so I usually pre ride him.

Nothing crazy, just stretch him and get him loose.

And that seems to really help to then pull him out later and warm him up, not for a super long time, and go in and he's really focused and relaxed right there.

He looks so great.

I love that horse.

Tell him, what's his name?

What are his bloodlines?

Did you breed him?

Who's the breeder?

Tell us all the things about him.

His name is mojito and his sire is grand galaxy Wynn, and he's out of a rodeamare, and he was bred by Labara stables.

I'm probably saying that wrong, but that he was actually bred in Belgium.

And then he.

I got him from Denmark and I bought him sight unseen.

I actually fell in love with him over a video of him lunging as a two year old.

Isn't that great?

When you look at that two year old video, what did you see?

I get a feeling, and that feeling seems to have done me well so far in the future, so I started trusting a little bit more, but I just got a feeling, and I couldn't get him out of my head.

And he was actually three at the time when I got him, but the video that I saw of him was when he was two, and, yeah, I just couldn't get him off of my mind.

And then it was crazy.

I get that, like.

All my best versus I've ever gotten.

I just met them.

I guess I got that feeling with my husband, too, I will tell you that.

But, you know, I mean, it's just like, yeah, okay.

And it's the same with my best one.

It's true.

I'm the feeling like, I am, too.

My mom always says, like, you see the horse, and if you cannot sleep that night and you think only about that horse, then it's.

It's the right one.

And I'm with you.

So I get that.

That's why I asked that question, like, what made you do it?

And I think a feeling is, I mean, there's a lot of connection that has to happen in this sport.

There's a lot of beautiful young horses.

But, like, why are you connected?

So I get it, but I love it.

Kimmy.

Yeah.

That story, and he wasn't actually for sale.

I just pestered the owner over and over and over for probably a month or two, and then she's finally like, okay, fine, I love it.

What.

And what are your plans for the future with him?

I want to get him to grand Prix.

I'm at the moment, I'm just waiting to see where he's at.

He gets pretty hot in the changes.

Not crazy, but he gets.

He wants to do perfect all the time, so he overachieves, and I want to make sure I don't over face him, which would be a very easy thing to do because he tries so hard.

So I'm letting him tell me what to do next.

I would like to do developing pre St.

George next year for.

In hopes for festival, which I think is doable.

But whatever he is up for, because I do not want to get greedy and blow his mind, because that would be a very easy thing to do.

He's pretty hot and sensitive, so, yeah.

I love it such a good way with a young horse.

You know, it's like, let's.

Let's see where this journey takes us.

And I think that that's so cool.

Yes.

And what speed it takes you.

That's the important thing is some people are like, no, no, you must do this now.

And then the horse is not ready, and then it backfires.

Yeah, yeah.

No, I think it's great.

I think it's awesome.

Well, Kimmy, how can our listeners follow your adventure with him and follow you online?

Because it's going to be so fun to see how you develop this guy as well.

I post a lot, almost every day on Instagram and Facebook.

My Instagram is kimberlyraydrasage and then I'm Kimmy Pullen on Facebook.

So that would be a great way.

I always post stuff on my stories and in my feed.

That'd be a very easy way.

I love watching you on Facebook.

I have been rooting for you since we met each other, I think in 2014 regionals.

So I'm so excited.

I can't wait to see you at Lamplight if he's ready next year.

Yes.

Yes.

We're going to be cheering you on.

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This week's trainer tip will be from Jennifer Cotillo, talking about rider biomechanics.

Well, tonight we are so excited to have Jennifer Cotillo.

She is a movement and body awareness specialist for equestrians.

Jennifer, welcome to the show.

Thanks so much for having me, Reese.

I'm excited to be here.

We're thrilled to have you.

Well, tell us a little bit about yourself.

Well, I have a really weird background that will probably take up too much of your show to really tell the whole thing.

But I have loved horses and ridden my whole life, but I'm also, I tell people, the world's worst athlete.

And so riding never came easy to me.

So I really had to really train my own body to be the athlete that I finally figured out I needed to be in order to ride well.

And so that started me down a whole path of discovery.

It's really been lifelong learning.

So I finally figured out that I needed to find a way to make my body better to be the athlete that I knew I needed to be.

And once I discovered how to do that, I thought it would be a great thing to share with other people.

And that's how I got involved with what I do.

And, Jen, can you tell us about Eckert Minor?

Because I love that part of your story and how you shared it with myself.

Sure.

I'm actually going to start back a little before that.

So how I really got into all this work was I started doing Pilates.

Now, in today's world, Pilates is all over the place.

But when I started it, especially in the midwest, it was not.

And I really learned that Pilates back in the day was body re education.

But it takes a lot of time and a lot of dedication and a lot of precision.

And fast forward a few years, and this man named Eckert miners came into the picture.

He is a german physiologist, excuse me, who works on movements and really worked mostly with their racquet sport team.

So their Olympic ping pong, badminton, tennis, all that kind of stuff.

But his wife was a rider, and he used to watch all the ladies that ride and kept thinking, you know, I think I could really help these people and sort of started along that path.

And what he really works on is mind body connection and neuro connections, and how to really make a body remember all the things that it really knew how to do back when it was a little kid.

But we've sort of forgotten along the way.

We, if you look at little children, they sit up with a very lovely, erect spine.

We all know they can put their toes in their mouths.

They're very flexible.

They can reach forwards and backwards and up and down.

And to be a good athlete, you need to be able to do all that.

Maybe not put your toes in your mouth, but you need to be the best athlete you can possibly be.

And so he opened up a whole new world to me, that you could do some funny little things to reconnect your brain and your body and make huge, profound differences.

So, one, I love to show people that, to really explain how powerful this is.

We all know as riders that a horse, to feel really good in your hand, needs to be supple and soft in your pole.

And one of my theories is that we mirror our horses, and our horses mirror us.

So if my pole is stuck, and we have a pole, too, that our occipital joint, if it's stuck, that our horse is going to mirror that as well.

That lack of throughness that we feel when our horses.

When our horse is stuck in his pole is the same thing with us.

Our movement isn't going to follow beautifully through our bodies if our pole is stuck.

So how can we do that?

Well, one funny little way to do it is to sit and just move your eyeballs left and right and left and right and left and right and left and right.

And if you do that for three or four, I'll say three minutes, the amount of pole suppleness that is, you can look right and left can increase easily, quickly, in three minutes by 50% to 70%.

I mean, it's really amazing.

If I could figure out a way to get horses to hold their head still and have their eyeballs left and right and left and right and left and right, I'd really be on to something.

I haven't figured that out yet, but I love.

I think that's awesome.

New training tips.

New training tips.

I love it.

I love it.

So, Jennifer, tell us, like, okay, I can totally feel what you're saying, because I am not an athlete.

Like, at the end of the day, like, we have a joke in our family because my dad tried to make me play tennis, and I can't run.

Like, I really can't.

I'm not very coordinated.

I'm clumsy.

And my dad's like, well, thank God you can ride a horse.

And I tease him because I'm like, look who became the professional athlete of the family?

Me.

And I'm actually the least athletic off the horse.

So, yeah, it's a big joke in our family.

And I literally hate tennis, y'all.

I just hate it.

I can't smell of tennis.

Makes me anxious.

The dad tried to make me sevy graph.

Like it didn't happen well, for me, but.

So I know what you're saying, because, you know, when I'm on a horse, I'm trained.

I've been on a horse since I was little.

I can.

I'm very athletic on a horse.

But talk to.

So I felt to my soul what you said, like, I'm not an athlete.

So obviously, I started when I was really young.

I was, like, nine, so, or seven when I started riding.

But tell us a little bit more about, like, how you help riders.

You know, now I'm now mid forties, and I couldn't do, if my body didn't know what it was supposed to do, it wouldn't do it.

So how do you make people like me?

Right.

Well, so everybody.

So everybody has their bodies age, their bodies have accidents.

Their bodies morph from what they were when they were little, little kids.

So I think what for me personally, one of the reasons why I was probably not a very good athlete, I didn't know it at the time, didn't know it really, until I was almost 30, was that I have a really good scoliosis.

So that makes me extraordinary crooked on a horse.

So I have to use what I do to help me maintain straightness.

So that's a big thing for me.

But the other thing that I see with many, many people is it all starts, I'm a pelvis all the way person.

If your pelvis isn't set up correctly on the horse, it's going to have no way to follow correctly.

So you see people in chair seats, fork seats, those are the two basic ones, but there are a whole myriad of others that as soon as your pelvis gets into that place, it can't swing properly.

And so there are basically five joints in your pelvis.

There are your two hip joints.

There's your sacral lumbar joint, and there are two si joints.

And all of those, to be a really good rider, but also to be a really good athlete, need to work to their utmost.

And for that to happen, all five of those joints, especially three of them, the two hip and the sacroiliac, have to be in what's called neutral.

So it's not overextended, it's not over flexed.

It's right there in the middle.

So you have the ability to have your full range of motion.

So that's, for me, super key.

If you've always ridden and you've ridden well, I'm going to say that more than likely, your pelvis is pretty in.

Pretty much in a neutral position.

It's pretty much upright.

So if it is.

Sorry, can I ask real quick, like, okay, we're sitting in the chairs right now.

I mean, Megan and I are sitting in chairs, and I'm sure a lot of people are either driving, some may be riding, but in general, like, if we're sitting in a chair, how do you talk me through this exercise?

Like, you're telling us about our pelvis, but, like, I'm, like, wiggling my tushy.

So how do we, how do we find this neutral spine?

So this neutral place is when your pelvis is absolutely perpendicular to the ground.

So if you can envision yourself right now and get rid of all your flesh, you're just a skeleton.

Just a skeleton.

You want your.

Your pelvis and you can get rid of your arms, you can get rid of your legs, you can get rid of all of it.

Your pelvis to be at 90 degrees to the ground.

All right.

So most people either are, they're tipped a little.

So the top of their pelvis is tipped forward and they're sitting more on their, the front part of their pelvis.

And so they have a little too much arch in their lower back.

Yeah.

See that line right now?

Yeah.

Okay.

Or if you're, if you're slumping, you're kind of feeling like your tailbone is tucked under and your back is a little rounded and your chest is down.

That the chest is down because of the way your pelvis is.

Okay.

So if you are in the slumped position when the horse.

So let's pretend we're all on our little bit more on our tailbones.

We're slumped.

But that is not a horrible, horrible way to be riding if you're, if you need to do something sitting in the saddle, if you're a hunt seat rider or if you're a saddle seat rider, not so important.

But for a dressage rider who wants to have their buns in the saddle and follow and not hurt their lower back or their back at all.

So if you're tucked under and you're sitting on your tail, it's not really pretty, but let's just go there for a second.

When the horse pushes with its hind legs, it can push your pelvis forward like a clock, like a doggy door.

I'm going to use my doggy door on you, my doggy door analogy.

All right, so if the horse's hind legs push your pelvis, your doggy door is going to go forward, right?

Mm hmm.

Yes.

Can every, everybody can see that.

All right.

Yes.

Let's just hold that for a minute.

Hold that.

But because the doggy door, when you're slumped, the doggy door is slightly already pushed forward.

So it only has a little more ways to go.

But the dog can get through, right?

Yep.

All right, now let's flip the pelvis the other way.

And so now you're sitting on the front.

Your back is too arched.

All right.

Okay, now.

But now the horse pushes, it pushes into the doggy door, but the doggy door kind of rams down into the floor.

It can't swim through.

It gets stuck because it's in the wrong spot.

Is that, can you see that in your mind's eye?

Yeah.

If the doggy door, that is your pelvis, is at 90 degrees, when the horse pushes that doggy door, that pelvis has the maximum opportunity to swing through, and that's what we want to be able to sit our horse.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love it.

I'm going to use this on my students.

Right.

Oh, it's a good, and it's a good analogy, but now let's pretend for a second that, so the doggy door really in the writing.

It's a good analogy.

And it's that sacral lumbar joint.

Everything has to swing there.

But your doggy door is also attached to your hip joints, to your legs.

Right.

So let's pretend there's, there's like a little, you know, if the dog can get through, it's no problem because your hip joint moves so the dog can run through, the horse can go through you.

You're a conduit to let that energy go through.

But let's say for some reason, one of your hip joints is tighter than the other.

Now the dog runs through, but now one side of the doggy door moves more than the other or vice versa.

Okay.

Can you, I hope you can see that in your mind's eye.

Yep.

So now let's think about flying changes.

Oh, yeah.

If I have one side of my, if I have a doggy door that swings more through to the left than the right, how is that going to affect my flying changes?

When I go from left to right, let's say my right hip isn't working as well as my left.

When I go from left to right, I'm going to have a short change because the dog can't get through.

Yep.

On the other side, it's going to be a lot bigger.

So, you know, I'll look at a rider I'll use, I'll throw Megan under the bus.

Are usually, are really even.

But you'll see horses that are short, long, short, long, short, long.

And they're like, oh, it's the horse.

It's, you know, it needs to be stronger on the right hind left, whatever.

No, no, no.

Maybe somebody's pelvis isn't working so well.

Maybe it doesn't swing so much.

So let's take that same doggy door analogy.

I would suggest that you could do a, let me think here, a right eight meter voltae much more easily than a left because I need that pelvis to swing evenly to be able to do that.

So these are the kind of things that I'm looking at to help a, let's just first get somebody to be able to sit the trot.

I need that upright pelvis.

I need it and I need it to be able to swing.

Then I needed to swing evenly.

And from there, I keep working up.

I'm so focused.

First, fix the pelvis.

If you fix the pelvis, very oftentimes, uneven shoulders, a collapsed waist, a leg that hikes up, all those things, usually, not always, but usually are ancillary to pelvis that isn't working well.

So I'm going to use all the tools in my toolbox to try to find that, fix that and help you be more in sync with your horse is what I'm trying to do.

So what are some tools, you know, if our, you know, you're thinking like, what are the tools for that?

What, what are some things that you can do to help writers from this point?

All right, so I'll just give you a couple of easy ones that I can explain pretty easily.

Call like this.

So I think one of the easiest things you can do is lay on the floor with your knees bent and your knees bent, feet flat.

And you always want to make sure that your ankles, your knees and your hip joint, which is in the middle of your groin and not on the outside of your, your pelvis, it's in the middle, are lined up so you're nice and straight.

So that's the first thing.

And then rock your pelvis around however you want.

There's no really right or wrong until you feel like you land flat.

So I like to imagine when I'm there, I like to envision that my pelvis is like a dinner plate, right?

And it's a flat dinner plate.

And then I'm going to start to rock it.

I'm going to rock it.

So the front tips down and then the back tips down in the front and the back in the front and the back.

And try to get that moving easily.

I just let it happen.

Then I'm going to rock it from side to side.

I want it right and left, right, left, right, left, right, left.

And what you want to feel is you should get equal motion right and left and pretty much equal motion up and down.

You're in.

This is a pretty small movement.

You just go, okay.

I can feel that.

It's all, it's all, it's all working.

Now what you're going to do is you're going to start to slowly, you're going to lift your tail, curl your tail under so your pubic bone will come up.

And you're going to start to slowly roll up one bone at a time, basically to, I'm going to say the bottom of your ribcage again, not really far.

And then you're going to slowly lay it back down.

So you want to start to be able to get some spinal mobility.

A couple things are happening there.

Your hips are getting motion, your all your spine is getting motion, your lumbar is getting motion, motion.

Then what you want to be able to do, and I think this is a great, great, great exercise for riders from that upper position.

So now your buns are up in the air.

You want to try to keep your ankle and your knee in alignment and just tap your right bun down and lift it up, and then your left bun down and right, left, right, left, right, left.

So, so if you think about it again, when we're riding, our legs, in a perfect world, stay still.

And even on the side of the horse and our bottoms, our pelvis follows the motion of the horse, right.

And more than likely you'll go, oh, it's a lot easier to get my right bun down as opposed to my left or whichever.

Acknowledge that and know that you have to work.

Acknowledge that your upper body is going to stay still when you're doing this right, because that's just in the position you're in.

So I think that's a fantastic exercise.

It's simple.

Anybody can do it.

You don't need any special equipment.

You don't need to go to the gym.

You can, you know, be in any clothes, and you can work on this.

I think it's absolutely a super one to do.

Awesome.

I think when you come to my farm next, I want you to show me how to do that.

My next next question was going to be, well, I just wanted to share with everybody.

You also take people off the horse and you have a ballamo chair, and can you tell us about that really quick?

Yeah, sure.

So Eckert miners developed this Balamo chair, and if you envision a little stool, I can change the height of it, but a little stool that sits on, like a big ball bearing, so there's no flat place on it, it can move 360 degrees all over the place, and it is set up to help people learn, again, proper pelvic movement.

So you can sit on this chair and push forward and back and forward and back.

And I always, whenever anybody first gets on it, I warn them that it will buck you off.

So you need to be very, very careful.

People don't believe me.

And I've caught many, many a person, many, many a person from, like, falling off of one of them.

But again, it really helps explain.

It is.

Well, it's not funny when you say, yeah, don't do it, but it really does start to, again, re explain to your body all the ways your body could move when you were two and three years old.

We don't do this stuff.

You know, we're in a very linear world.

We walk forward and back.

We don't twist a lot.

We don't go side to side.

But again, to be a great athlete, your body has to be able to do that.

You know, I'm old enough.

I'm old enough to know.

Think of what my favorite athlete of all time is.

Michael Jordan.

I'm not even talking about a rider.

But if you watch that body in motion, the way it can move and react, and it's graceful, it's athletic, it's a wonderful thing to see.

And I'm not saying that I could ever be Michael Jordan, but there is in us, and I truly believe this, because I have come back to that, that everybody has that innate little child ability to move, and we can find it again.

And that's what's so exciting about record.

So then, to go back to Megan's question, one of the things that I do in a clinic was, I love to have auditors, because I like people to really find their eye.

I want them to go, oh, yeah, I see what she's saying.

I see how this is affecting x, y and z.

And we'll look at somebody and say, so what do you see here?

What's stiff, what's not working well?

And I will get the person off the horse.

I might do acupressure on them.

I might do a little mini massage.

I might put them on my Bellamo chair.

I might get them little exercises.

I might teach them to skip, which is a great way to teach people how to canter.

People who can't canter probably can't skip.

Check it out.

I know, I know, I know I'm right.

And then we'll, and then we'll put them back on the horse.

And we watch the horse go.

And over a course of 45 minutes, I might get somebody off four or five times.

The horse is standing around most of the time, right?

We're not working on the horse.

But over those 45 minutes, the horse will get better and better and better and better and better and better, simply because the rider is letting loose, usually letting loose things loose of things.

So that again, they swing through the right hip and the left hip equally.

Waist is of equal size.

Their occipital joint, the pole is working.

Their Achilles tendon isn't tight and rigid.

So if you have a tight Achilles tendon, the motion can't, the movement, the energy can't flow through your body.

We're going to look at all of that stuff.

Yeah.

I love it.

I love it.

Well, this is so cool.

Jennifer, if our listeners have questions and want to find you online, how do they do that?

This is such great visuals and such great information.

Yeah.

Unfortunately, I have a really hard last name and all my stuff is under my last name, so.

But anyway, I'll give it to you.

So my website is jennifer cotillo.com.

so it's jennifer.

J e n n I f e r.

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You can messenger me if you want.

And good stuff.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna work the buns.

The right down, left down.

I'm gonna try that tonight.

That was awesome.

So thanks so much.

It's fun.

It's really, it's really good.

And it will help your lower back, too.

So.

And here's the other thing about what I do.

I do it for horse or horse people, but all the stuff I do is good for every body.

Not everybody, but everybody.

So anyway, well, thank you so much.

Thank you, Jen.

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