Cameron Moore is a five year industry veteran.
Speaker AShe's an independent, versatile hairstylist, was a marketing major and works full time as a communications coordinator while also doing hair and taking independent clients for marketing.
Speaker AAnd not to mention, she's also running a braiding summer camp in the DMV area.
Speaker AToday we're going to hear her story.
Speaker AWhat is, what are all these things that she's doing and where is she going?
Speaker AWelcome back to the Hairdresser Strong show.
Speaker AMy name is Robert Hughes and I am your host and today I'm with Cameron Moore.
Speaker AHow are you doing today, Cameron?
Speaker BHi.
Speaker BI'm doing good today.
Speaker BHow are you?
Speaker AI'm so good.
Speaker AThank you so much for coming.
Speaker BYeah, thank you for having me.
Speaker AAbsolutely.
Speaker ASo I met, I met Cameron Moore at, at D.C.
Speaker Afashion Week and we did, I was doing man on the street interviews and asking people about, you know, what's going on, what's the inspiration.
Speaker AAnd we kept in touch and, you know, just all these different things you do and your, your content you create is so, is pretty good and like, and you're definitely someone on our radar.
Speaker ASo I'm happy to like, get you and your local, which everyone knows that we love local over here at Hairdresser Strong.
Speaker ASo it's a pleasure to have you on the show.
Speaker ASo let's jump right in.
Speaker AThis is going to be a, a quick one today and I know the audience loves, loves that.
Speaker ASo let's jump right in.
Speaker ALet's say, how did you start doing hair?
Speaker ALike, what were your steps, steps of getting into hair kind of leading up to where you are now?
Speaker BYeah, so I started hair and got into hair in 2019 around Covid time.
Speaker BAnd I basically have always loved doing hair and I always loved hair, but I've never done it on myself in terms of braids.
Speaker BAnd I know during COVID time, you know, things were shut down and locked down, so you kind of had to get crafty.
Speaker BSo I taught myself how to do hair.
Speaker BAnd so during that time I really just spent time looking at visuals.
Speaker BI'm a visual learner, so looking at videos, tutorials, and then also hands on, practicing on myself and trying to get it right.
Speaker BAnd so I definitely feel like with practice over the time that we had Covid and lockdown and also practicing on family and friends that were interested, it definitely had built up a skill and a confidence in me to kind of turn this into more of a business.
Speaker BAnd so during the time I was in school and so come back to school, I was like, let me turn this into more of something that I can make money off of.
Speaker BAnd so before I went to school, I built up my Instagram page, built up my brand.
Speaker AI'm sorry, one second.
Speaker ASo when you say school, do you mean university or do you mean hair school?
Speaker BOh, university.
Speaker BJust to clarify that, I actually before COVID I was a student doing marketing.
Speaker BSo Covid kind of was that pause when I was where I can kind of lean into the things that I really love to do.
Speaker BMy crafts, things like that.
Speaker BAnd so that's where it kind of I did lean into hair skills a lot more and built that skill up.
Speaker BSo with that still going back to university, I was like, let me use this superpower that I built up over Covid to kind of take hair clients.
Speaker BAnd so with the page that I had built and then also just posting, getting content out there, creating content, and just kind of showing people that I can do here on myself, hair on other people, it kind of was able to attract clients back in the college area.
Speaker BAnd, you know, college is that perfect area where you have so many people looking for service providers.
Speaker BAnd it's also really amazing to get the word out because you have so many people in such a tight community.
Speaker BAnd so it was really a great way for me to be able to start growing from there.
Speaker BSo I started to grow my clientele and stuff out at university.
Speaker BSo I was still doing student college work, but also still doing this hair business.
Speaker BAnd I just kept going and I kept going.
Speaker BSo even when I graduated, I still kept, kept the business like I wanted to keep it growing.
Speaker BLike, I definitely found this being a passion, not just more so, like, oh, yeah, cool little sideways.
Speaker BI really am passionate about hair and the different ways to do hair and connecting with people.
Speaker BSo when I did end up graduating, I kept it part time, but, you know, sometimes things happen and the job ended up letting me go, but I found that as like a secret blessing for me to kind of ramp up with my business.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker ASo wait, I think I must miss this.
Speaker ASo did you.
Speaker AWho let you go like you were working, doing.
Speaker BI was working full time doing marketing.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BThat was my first full time job out of college.
Speaker BYou know, when you graduate, it's just in your head, you kind of want to use the degree, or at least that was in my head.
Speaker BI was like, let me use my degree, but I still wanted to hold on my business.
Speaker BAnd you know, after some time that didn't work out, they let me go.
Speaker BAnd I was just like, you know what, let me just take this as a Sign to elevate, level up and focus on what I have.
Speaker BAnd at the time like that, I just.
Speaker BIt was just perfect timing.
Speaker BI had all the time in the world to focus on it, so opened up my availability more, started to focus more on the marketing, the branding started to network.
Speaker BThat was super important.
Speaker BAnd I also started to build my portfolio, which is where I met you at Fashion Week.
Speaker BSo, yeah, I was just looking for opportunities to really just like, build on the skill that I've already knew I had and just get myself out there, meet new people, figure out how they do their businesses.
Speaker BAll the different types of people there are that, you know, run their businesses differently and you kind of hear their stories, and they also give you advice and kind of you can lean on each other in that community to help each other grow.
Speaker BSo that was definitely really key for me to grow my business.
Speaker BAnd I also kind of continue to put myself in more of that beauty community by working part time as a receptionist at a salon suite.
Speaker BSo I was able to connect with a lot of stylists there.
Speaker BAnd that was amazing because they.
Speaker BThey were able to kind of teach me the ins and outs of how they were running their business, how they got their clientele, just bounce some ideas off of them.
Speaker BSo it was just great to kind of be put in that environment.
Speaker BSo I was doing that for basically a year until I was able to get another marketing opportunity to kind of help build on that skill and kind of build that portfolio as well.
Speaker BI'm definitely someone who likes to build on every skill that I have.
Speaker BI don't believe in just going down one avenue.
Speaker BSo I definitely am still keeping hair under my belt right now, still focusing on that and different ways to create streams of revenue, but also different ways to kind of teach other people how to be in my position.
Speaker BSo I've been doing workshops at middle schools to teach kids how to braid.
Speaker BLike you said, I'm having a braid camp this summer to be able to create an opportunity for people to learn to braid.
Speaker BAnd I've also been kind of helping other people to help with their marketing strategies and help them build their businesses, give them ideas as well.
Speaker BSo definitely marketing and hair have kind of been a superpower together for me.
Speaker BBut yeah, it's led me to where I am today.
Speaker BAnd now I have two spaces where I'm doing hair at, and I'm still doing full time in marketing.
Speaker BIt's a lot, but, yeah, that's kind of pretty much where I'm at today.
Speaker ASo this is great.
Speaker ASo I Question.
Speaker AWhen you were started first doing hair while you were at university, did you.
Speaker AWhere were you doing hair?
Speaker AWere you.
Speaker ADid you have a suite?
Speaker AWere you just going to people's houses?
Speaker ADid you have a dorm?
Speaker ALike, what was the.
Speaker BI was, I was a college student, so I was doing it out of my, my apartment.
Speaker BMy.
Speaker BI had a town home that I shared with some roommates and I basically would either do it out in the open living room or in my room.
Speaker BAnd it just had to work at the time.
Speaker BI wish I would be able to afford a suite at that time, but I was a broke college kid, so it was just, you know, we were doing it out of my apartment.
Speaker AAnd so now you said you have two spaces you do hair out of.
Speaker ASo tell us, what does that mean?
Speaker BYes, I have two spaces.
Speaker BSo I basically that I do full time marketing and I also do hair on the side.
Speaker BI have grown my business mainly out in somewhat the Gaithersburg area.
Speaker BAfter graduating the most when I went kind of full time for that period of time.
Speaker BBut now that I'm doing full time marketing too, I actually moved out to Baltimore and I use that as kind of an opportunity to be in two locations.
Speaker BStill have a lot of clientele growing and coming to the Gaithersburg location.
Speaker BI get people from Virginia and all those places still booking me at Gaithersburg.
Speaker BBut I also use this as an opportunity to expand my clientele out in the Baltimore area and still be able to do hair out here.
Speaker BSo yeah, I have two locations.
Speaker BI have a salon suite in Gaithersburg with another stylist.
Speaker BAnd then I kind of have like an at home setup here.
Speaker BIt's a whole studio that I kind of converted my room or like a separate room into.
Speaker BSo it's a whole.
Speaker AAre you in Baltimore now?
Speaker BYeah, I currently am in the studio now.
Speaker BSo you got, you know, see a little bit of a blur.
Speaker BBut yeah, I'm in kind of the studio setup.
Speaker BIt's a whole room.
Speaker ANice.
Speaker AOkay, cool.
Speaker ASo you have an at home studio, Is that what you said?
Speaker AAn at home studio.
Speaker AAnd then you have a suite and you're two.
Speaker AOkay, cool.
Speaker AAwesome.
Speaker AAnd tell us, I'm curious real quick.
Speaker AWe don't have a lot of time, so this is one of these side conversations that can turn into a rabbit hole.
Speaker ABut like, can you tell us like your experience?
Speaker ABecause I, I know there's like plenty of people out there do hair at home.
Speaker AYour experience doing hair at home when you were in, in college and you didn't have like a designated space and it was kind of like whatever you could do.
Speaker AKind of scrappy vibes.
Speaker AWhat, what, like, can you tell us, like, what is the difference?
Speaker ALike the difference in chart your ability to charge, if any, what is the difference in the experience?
Speaker AI mean, I know there's gotta be a different experience also.
Speaker ALike, can you talk on like something that's come up is like the entrance, like people walking through the house versus having a separate entra.
Speaker ALike can you just kind of touch.
Speaker ASpend a couple minutes kind of touching on that?
Speaker AFor anybody that's thinking about doing a home studio or maybe has one, but maybe is having some of these thoughts, like, I don't know if I want to keep doing this or, or whatever.
Speaker AOr maybe has a studio and want to want.
Speaker AMaybe he's like, why don't I just do this at my house?
Speaker AYou know?
Speaker ACan you just kind of give us a little insight in your experience?
Speaker BYes, I will.
Speaker BSo there's two different at home experiences.
Speaker BThe one here is completely, completely better.
Speaker BI will say the one I had with roommates was completely different.
Speaker BSo at home it definitely is not as private, especially with the roommates that I had.
Speaker BYou know, it was really just an open space, they were walking by.
Speaker BConversations aren't able to be as private with you and your style or you and your client.
Speaker BAnd I just felt like sometimes, yeah, I wasn't able to control my environment and therefore create that full experience in the way I would have wanted to.
Speaker BBut it was something that, you know, worked at the time.
Speaker BBeing clients were able to park perfectly fine, so they didn't have any parking issues.
Speaker BYou know, the security was fine.
Speaker BI know we had like a ring camera, so.
Speaker BAnd we didn't have any issues with like, you know, safety and clients anyways.
Speaker BBut definitely now that I'm in a better at home situation, I definitely would say it's way better because I get to control the environment.
Speaker BI definitely transformed it.
Speaker BI have the sign here so I can create, create the content.
Speaker BIt definitely gives a more private, comfortable and calmer vibe for clients to feel kind of, you know, settled and relaxed.
Speaker BLike they can be comfortable here.
Speaker BI have snacks here so they can be chill and have TV here, so they watch TV and put on whatever they want.
Speaker BSo definitely this at home experience is completely fine.
Speaker BI feel safe, especially like I said, I have a ring and I have my own measures of safety and security.
Speaker BDefinitely.
Speaker BOn the other hand, with having a salon suite and studio, it definitely puts you in an environment with other stylists, entrepreneurs.
Speaker BSo I will say, like, that is pretty handy just to kind of have that system around you to lean on, ask questions about anything like that.
Speaker BAlso, because you are in a salon suite, you do have a lot of people like foot traffic and it's just random foot traffic.
Speaker BSo you can get a lot of, I guess, eyes on your brand and your business just by people walking by your door, which is pretty nice.
Speaker BIt's also a little bit more of an environment where I would say, yeah, I'm able to have like a washbowl there.
Speaker BSo I would say at my at home studio, I kind of started off with people coming washed and blow dried, especially like for braids and stuff like that.
Speaker BSo some of my clients have no problem doing that with my at home studio.
Speaker BBut I do know clients prefer that washbowl and so, and to have that full experience.
Speaker BSo I'm able to provide that.
Speaker BMy Gaithersburg location provide them that wash and blow dry treatment if they need that.
Speaker BUm, but yeah, it's just a great way to kind of have different environments depending on, you know, people's preferences.
Speaker BI will say salon suites are pretty costly.
Speaker BThey're not really the cheapest, but I will say it provides you more of that high quality experience for you and your client because you get more things coming with that.
Speaker BAnd also I'm not too sure how apartments are with, you know, electricity and gas, but if you have to wash your own towels, you have to have your own blow dryer going and stuff like that.
Speaker BIt could add up.
Speaker BMy, my BGE bill has been fine since being here, but I know when you are salon suite, you don't really have to worry about, you know, all those little details.
Speaker BYou just got to pay your suite rent.
Speaker BSo I would say those are the big differences that I can definitely take note of.
Speaker BDefinitely.
Speaker BIf you are at an at home studio, just make sure that it is a separate room, a separate private space instead of like a living room.
Speaker BThat definitely makes it a better experience where clients are fine with it.
Speaker BI haven't really had anybody have any issue with it.
Speaker AWhat about like, what about people?
Speaker ALike, do people have to have.
Speaker ADo you have a separate entrance into the your space or do they have to come through the front door?
Speaker BSo they have to come through the front door.
Speaker BMy apartment doesn't have two entries, but they just come on in.
Speaker BThey go straight to the, the side room where I have my.
Speaker ASo your house has to be clean all the time.
Speaker BI'm clean all the time.
Speaker BEven if I make a mess, I clean up like usually by the end of the day, but also when clients are here, like, I already don't really make too much of a mess.
Speaker BMaybe the only thing is like dishes and that's it.
Speaker BBut for the most part, I pretty much keep my space clean.
Speaker BThat's the only function, you know.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABut like, imagine if you, I mean, I mean, I feel like that's a thing.
Speaker ALike you gotta like, would you agree?
Speaker ALike you don't want someone walking in and being like, oh, oh, just ignore that.
Speaker BLike, no, I try to stay mindful of that.
Speaker BOf more so the perspective of, okay, I am a at home space, so how would people feel like coming into my space?
Speaker BAnd I definitely try to keep that in mind so that people are like, you know, they have a great experience.
Speaker BAnd yeah.
Speaker BAnd usually people, when they walk in my place, they're like, oh my gosh, I love space.
Speaker BLike, it's so nice.
Speaker BAnd I, I get compliments all the.
Speaker ATime and that's all part of the experience.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BBecause I mean, I wouldn't want to go to someone's at home studio and it'd be like dingy, dark, it stinks, it looks.
Speaker AYes, totally.
Speaker BYou know, their, their sibling or some, their roommate's just sitting there looking at you like, no, I do not have that environment.
Speaker BI really am someone who's like, I know that when you do have something at home, you really do have to make sure that you are ensuring that environment is good for your client.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BYou know, you can't just be like, okay, well I do good at hair.
Speaker BLike, you have to also consider their environment, the space that makes them feel comfortable sitting there for hours.
Speaker BSo I definitely make sure I do that.
Speaker ASo would you, would it be safe to say that if you, if you, by going from, you didn't have control of your environment primarily because other people were there and it sounds like you might not have had an empty room to use anyway.
Speaker ASo you went going from that environment to where you do you have roommates are there?
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ASo, so that's another control of your space.
Speaker ASo by not having any roommates, knowing exactly who's going to be home.
Speaker AAnd like when you walked out the door, it was clean.
Speaker ASo you know, when you walk back in the door, it's going to be clean and like making sure your place is nicely decked out because that all is going to kind of like raise.
Speaker AIs it safe to say it raises the, the perceived value perception of that experience?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo you can charge more money.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BEspecially if they're new Clients too.
Speaker BLike, you know, that first impression matters.
Speaker BSo I definitely know that, like, I'm not going to have them coming.
Speaker BLike, and that's also another factor of when I was thinking of looking at like, you know, apartments and stuff.
Speaker BI was keeping in mind, okay, could I see this being a place that I could bring people here and also transform this room into an at home studio?
Speaker BI was thinking of all those things and just being mindful of it because I don't want someone pulling up to the hood, but the apartment's nice.
Speaker BOr, you know, I wanted everybody to have a good experience for the beginning from like, you know, them arriving and seeing the outside to the inside.
Speaker BSo I really try to keep that in mind.
Speaker ANice.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAll right, well, so we're coming up on our time and I feel like there's so much more to talk about.
Speaker ALike, I would, I want to talk about like marketing as a hairdresser.
Speaker ALike, I feel like we should just maybe plan on having a separate conversation about that.
Speaker AI also, but like, I think to wrap it up, I'd like you to tell us a little bit about like the, the bullet points on like the, the summer.
Speaker AThe braiding boot camp or braiding summer camp.
Speaker AI mean, and how you did that and how.
Speaker AYeah, how.
Speaker AJust whatever you can, you want to tell about that and like the high level.
Speaker AAnd then any pieces of advice for anybody who is maybe like getting started or wants to break out on their own.
Speaker AMaybe they work somewhere for somebody else and they like this like independent life.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo brave boot camp.
Speaker BI'm hosting a two day boot camp where you can learn knotless braids one day and stitch braids second day.
Speaker BSo it is going to be a six hour day each day where you're practicing over and over again and learning how to do these skills and these styles.
Speaker BYou're learning the foundation so the parting the products.
Speaker BAnd then you're also going to be provided with a beginner braiding kit so that you are able to have materials to do hair at the cam, but also take that home with you and be able to practice it and continue to sharpen your skills, because practice makes perfect.
Speaker BSo basically the camp is July 12th and 13th.
Speaker BIt will be in Gaithersburg.
Speaker BSo definitely mark your calendars if you are available.
Speaker BDefinitely sign up.
Speaker BDon't miss out on the opportunity to learn a valuable skill, something that can help you learn how to do your own hair or do other people's hair.
Speaker BAnd yeah, so I would say if someone wants to be in this position and wants to, you know, start a hair business.
Speaker BDefinitely practice is one, be patient with yourself because it's not going to be perfect, it's not going to be pretty, it's not going to be a fast process and be consistent.
Speaker BSo just show up for yourself every day and keep showing up for yourself every day and people will notice that and people will honestly be motivated by that.
Speaker BAnd it will also be something that you end up motivating yourself and wanting to keep going because you're noticing you're showing up for yourself every day.
Speaker BSo keep on going, be resourceful, network and do your research.
Speaker AAnd then can you actually, I feel like I gotta do this.
Speaker ACan you give us two tips that are for marketing?
Speaker AFor anybody listening that's a stylist that.
Speaker AWhat are two tips that are very useful right now?
Speaker ANot two general tips like maybe something that might be trending or a new, a new trend and marketing or I don't know, some.
Speaker BYes, I would definitely say if we're talking about social media marketing, start using video content, start pushing out more video content that is definitely getting hot and you know, definitely photos are completely fine but definitely start to incorporate that more as these platforms are starting to make algorithms similar or mimic TikTok.
Speaker BSo, so you know, TikTok is a video mostly platform.
Speaker BSo definitely just be aware of that.
Speaker BAnd I would definitely say be consistent with your marketing.
Speaker BSo that will definitely help.
Speaker BEspecially if you are marketing on social media.
Speaker BConsistency will help with your growth but also be intentional with your marketing.
Speaker BSo definitely kind of envision the way you see your brand being represented or where you want to go and be intentional by your hooks, be intentional by your captions, be intentional by the way that you are having your messaging in your branding and future content.
Speaker AOkay, awesome.
Speaker ANice.
Speaker AThank you.
Speaker AOkay, okay, I'm sorry, one more thing, one more thing.
Speaker AWhat about a marketing tip that is not social media?
Speaker BDefinitely utilize email marketing.
Speaker BIf you have not like, if you're just on like, you know those.
Speaker BI know there's like book, not booksy but I know there's style seat and things like that where you know, stylists will put their business and you know, they might use limited platforms but start using email marketing.
Speaker BI'm telling you, email marketing will definitely help with your growth.
Speaker BI know it might be like, oh well, why I delete, you know, any advertising or campaigns and stuff like that that I get.
Speaker BBut you never know.
Speaker BPeople check their emails.
Speaker BDon't abandon that platform.
Speaker BThat's definitely something that I've started to utilize and I'VE still, I've seen people notice.
Speaker BSo incorporate that if you haven't already.
Speaker BAnd yeah.
Speaker ASo, you know, that's, I'm glad, I'm glad you brought up email marketing, because that is the, from what I understand, unless it's changed, that's the most effective marketing in terms of like, conversion.
Speaker AAnd I don't know, like the, that was the case like a couple years ago.
Speaker AI don't know if that's still the case.
Speaker ABut from the last thing I read was like, as a matter of fact, if you have a strong email marketing campaign that's kind of running people, people don't need to open your email.
Speaker AThey just need to see you in their inbox.
Speaker ASo they're inundated with your brand name and they're, they're seeing you.
Speaker ASo you're, you're like programming their brain to remember you.
Speaker AAnd then one day when they do open it, that content should like, be appealing to that person so that they then maybe take another action.
Speaker AOr even if they never open it, when they think hair, they're remembering all those emails they deleted from you.
Speaker BYeah, it's all about what you're doing to continuously, like, and that's why consistency is key and repetition because, like, once you do that and you're doing it enough, people are expecting or thinking about your brand and thinking like, you know, about, about you.
Speaker BSo definitely email marketing is a hidden gem, something that you should definitely utilize for your business if you haven't started to utilize it.
Speaker AAbsolutely.
Speaker AAwesome.
Speaker AWell, thank you so much.
Speaker AI, I definitely want to have a conversation.
Speaker AI think it'd be cool to have like a marketing conversation, maybe go live or something on Instagram maybe, if that sounds like something to be interested in.
Speaker ABut until next time, thank you so much for coming on, sharing your story and giving us a few pieces of advice for the student in school, for the person who wants to be independent and for the person who is currently independent as well as for all hair stylists out there, you got a little couple nuggets on marketing as well.
Speaker ASo thank you so much.
Speaker BYes, thank you so much.
Speaker BI appreciate it.
Speaker AAbsolutely.
Speaker AAll right, until next time.
Speaker ATake care.
Speaker BYeah, bye.