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Hello, everyone.

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Before we jump into this episode,

a short introduction.

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So I'm interviewing Samantha again

and she came from non

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Anabaptist background and for myself,

I grew up in the Mennonite church,

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so this is going to be

a slightly different episode,

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maybe a little more lighthearted

about some of the cultural challenges

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coming from the outside

into the Anabaptist

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world and things that, you know,

maybe I would have grown up with that

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you just don't think about

because this is how I've always done it.

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So yeah, slightly different episode,

but I think it'll be very interesting

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and very valuable to try to identify

what some of those, I don't know

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if you want to call them blind spots,

but those parts of our cultures that

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sometimes we don't always see

because it's what we're so used to.

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So a little bit of context

before we jump in

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and hopefully you'll enjoy this episode.

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So. Samantha, welcome back

to the Anabaptist Perspectives podcast.

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Good to have you on again.

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So this will be the third

episode we've done with you.

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And for those listening,

if they haven't seen the others,

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they should go check this out first,

because

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that might give a little bit of context

for what we're doing here today.

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But you and I were emailing before hand

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and trying to figure out like, okay,

how do we want to frame this episode?

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And you came back with a really good

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chunk in an email and actually

just saved it and put it in my script

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because it was just really good,

and you were saying

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some of the challenges,

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or challenges or just interesting quirks

that Mennonite culture has.

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So I don't have a typical script

like I normally do.

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I think it’d

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just be fun to jump into what

some of those are and we’ll bounce off

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of what you had sent in that email

and and see where we end up.

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So as someone who came from not growing up

in the Anabaptist world

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or the Mennonite church

or however you want to say it,

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and seen some of these

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things from the outside, be

really interesting to hear what you have.

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So what are some of the quirks

you noticed?

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And yeah, let's just jump

in, see what we find.

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Okay, well.

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Disclaimer

this isn't to make fun of people.

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We're not laughing at people

because there's things that

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I've mentioned to people and they'll laugh

with me like, I didn't know we did that.

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Like we just We just do it.

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So this isn't really even

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talking about theological things.

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It's just like, yeah, just cultural quirks

or things that we do.

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So just, yeah, things

that as a seeker coming in, it's like oh,

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I didn't know you guys did

that. Like, that’s kinda weird.

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That's a surprise!

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So I guess I was going to open

with something that I’ve actually seen

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on Facebook from a lady,

and she was a Anabaptist writer

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and she was just kind of going on

about Amish Novels. And she

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was like, You know what?

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And not all Mennonite

girls can identify with this, but I can.

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But for those of us

who, like, do our hair up a certain way,

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or if we have a lot of it,

like your bun can get pretty big.

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And so she was like, you know what?

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I don't think these Amish novels

are accurate at all.

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She's like, I have never read

one where the Amish girl, or

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the mennonite girl, whatever, smashes her

bun against the wall to make it flatter.

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She's like, It's just not accurate.

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It's like, yes.

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That made me laugh so much.

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Because it’s like

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there’s a lot of us that do that.

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Just random stuff like that.

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It's like,

you start going to Bible school or things.

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And You get out and you just, like,

start seeing things and it's like, what?

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like, it’s just funny.

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Even just. Yeah.

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Something that really sticks out to me

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as being kind of quirky just because.

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Anabaptists, not even so much

because they're Anabaptist more

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because they're Germanic background

people.

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We tend to be,

I would be Germanic background too,

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but like anabaptist people

tend to be more mellow, like our worship

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services are more reverent, more chill,

not very emotional or expressive.

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And some people fault us for that.

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But that's just who we are as a people.

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So it just really tickles me that.

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I have never been in a mennonite choir

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where we didn't sing some kind

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of southern like, folk song.

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Or some kind of upbeat,

like in african, or

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Swahili, that’s the word I want.

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Yes, some kind of Swahili song.

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Why Is that?

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I've sung in a lot of mennonite choirs

back in the day

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with Bible schools and stuff

that is totally true.

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And we love it.

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We’re like yes,

we get to sing an African song.

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But why?

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I don't know.

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The only thing I can figure is like,

this is where we get emotional expression.

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We get to, like,

jam out with these african songs.

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It just cracks me up.

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That's just kind of,

there's nothing wrong with it, obviously.

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It's just kind of quirky, kind of bizarre.

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I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

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We definitely sang Swahili songs and stuff

when I was in.

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Yeah.

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Because if you actually stop

and think about how obscure that is,

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actually,

I think that was some of the language

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you used in your email is like,

this is like kind of odd and very obscure.

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Like, why do we do this?

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I don't really know,

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but it's just kind of part

of the cultural expression, I suppose.

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I mean,

and I think that would be more Mennonite,

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than some other more conservative circles

of anabaptist because,

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like, your more Amish

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choirs and things would do more like,

more you’re typical hymns and stuff.

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But your mennonite choirs

like African music

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and they are so fun to sing

and typically audiences love it.

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And even

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I just had to think about like our friend

who was in a choir that got together

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a couple of times, toured around

and they sang almost strictly Moses Hogan,

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like just all these like Southern folk

songs and spirituals.

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And I mean, they were good at it.

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They had that southern slang,

it just was so fun.

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That's

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really interesting, That is really random.

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yeah.

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Wow. Now, I feel like I should ask some

people, like, where does that come from?

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Because that's totally a thing.

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And I can see how like growing up in it,

it literally never,

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ever crossed my mind

until I got your email last week

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and you were like,

Hey, have you thought about this?

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And just never crossed my mind.

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But you, having not necessarily

grown up with that initially,

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I can see how that would just be like,

That's kind of odd, right?

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You know, what's what's some others

that, you know, some other things?

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Well, some of them are just funny stories.

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Well, actually, one

I thought about along the lines of music

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and this isn't across the board,

but there are a fair number of,

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and I'm speaking more from Mennonite

circles because that's my experience.

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But there are a fair

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amount of Mennonites

who play accordions and harmonicas,

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And that was super random to me

the first time I saw it.

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Like, all these people know how to play

the accordion.

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And I’m like, what is with the accordion?

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I get the piano and the guitar,

especially the guitar and the harmonica.

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Cause like, they're portable, it's great.

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But how did the accordion become a thing?

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Yeah, okay,

so somebody listening to this knows, like,

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leave a comment down there because again,

I never thought about this

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til I got your email

and you said it in here somewhere.

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You call it

Mennonite Quirks and Little Known Tidbits.

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I think it was.

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And yeah, and you mentioned the accordion

and I had again, never thought of that.

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But as soon as you said it like, that

really resonates, that's totally a thing.

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So where does it come from, somebody,

somebody comment because we don't know.

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But, but I think it comes from,

you know, you just have

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like our groups, our churches,

you know, we've been together for a while

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and you have these little

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this whole network of of churches

and kind of develop these interesting

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trends and ideas, I don't know over that

just kind of happens, I guess.

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I mean I guess the accordion

would also be somewhat Germanic.

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So maybe it just came over and stayed?

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So that's an interesting point that you've

made about the Germanic influence side.

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I mentioned this on some other podcast,

but I was in Germany, southern Germany,

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which is where my ancestors would have

come from actually back in the day,

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and it felt like I was at home, like,

I don't know, German,

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I can't speak the language or anything,

but like the culture was so similar

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to my experience as a mennonite

that it actually really shocked me.

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I was really surprised.

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The food,

the way people acted, the way stores were,

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the way people interacted on the street,

like it was so familiar.

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And both my wife and I were like,

I mean, we could live here.

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This feels great, you know?

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And we couldn't

speak their language, neither of us. And

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it made me really appreciate that.

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There's a lot of culture that comes

from the fact that our people originally

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were immigrants, again,

my stripe of Mennonites at least.

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Were immigrants that came over fleeing

persecution or whatever in the 1700s.

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And that cultural influences

stayed with us.

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And so is this Germanic flavor, this

very German, maybe some Swiss Austrian.

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Yeah, that sector of of Europe

is still very, very strong in our circles,

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which is kind of.

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Nothing wrong. With that.

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It's a beautiful thing.

But it's interesting.

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Which explains the other thing

that I thought about.

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Just as you were talking

like talking about the Swiss.

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Because another thing that I’ve

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seen a fair amount, and I enjoy it,

but it’s also just super funny of how,

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we have so many mennonites

who know how to yodel.

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That is super random.

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No kidding. Yeah.

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But the Swiss influence

would make sense for that.

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That's a really good point.

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Why else would you?

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Yeah. See, and this is where I can see,

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you know, someone again

coming from the outside.

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And in the last episode we did

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was kind of this idea of seekers,

like those who want to join

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a mennonite church or an Anabaptist

minded church or something,

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and some of the cultural hurdles,

I guess I don't know

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if that may be too strong,

but some of these things

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I could see coming in, I'd be like,

These people are just different.

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I don't know how I fit in.

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And did you ever feel that where it's like

this is just different enough?

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I'm not sure I can fit into this?

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Or was it

never anything quite that extreme?

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Maybe in certain communities,

but not across the board.

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Okay.

And some of these things, like yodeling.

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It’s not like

we get together as groups and

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there's just these random people

who are really

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good at it.

And I know a number of people who do it.

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They just enjoy doing it,

and we enjoy listening.

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But yeah, it’s

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just one of those random things,

why do you yodel?

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I never thought of that.

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That is so good that's so, yeah.

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Again kind of bizarre kind of quirky,

you know like interesting.

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Okay Yeah. What's, what's a few others?

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Yeah, I guess it isn't so much quirks,

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but it kind of comes back

to the integration thing.

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I just thought of some funny stories

and I asked my sister for permission

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to share this one.

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But when we were in that community

with the rather conservative church

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with like, I don't know if you call them

black bumper,

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but like where they were all black cars

and like really conservative.

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So she had gone to church by herself

one day

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and she had made a dress to match them.

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And but it was like a bright green.

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And so she goes to service

and here it's communion Sunday.

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And everybody was in black, black

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across the board,

and she's in this bright green dress.

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And so she stayed.

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But it was really awkward.

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So it's one of those things

I had to think about even for

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yeah, for our church when we

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would do VBS, like we did it for years

and we just all had our rhythm.

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We knew what we were doing and then we had

someone come in to help one time

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and we put them in charge of a group

because they were willing to do that.

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And at the end when we were debriefing,

he was like, okay,

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So I figured it out on the fly,

but I had no idea what I was doing.

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You just handed me a folder

and then expected me to just make it work.

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And we were all like, we are so sorry.

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Yeah.

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We’re all just used to knowing what to do.

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And we didn’t stop to think,

the newcomer doesn’t get it.

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So yeah, that's kind of a give

and take on both sides.

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Like Mennonite people, anabaptist people.

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It would be good for us

to try and be more aware

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of the things that the new person

isn't going to just know

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and then the new person needs to be okay

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with maybe feeling a little foolish

sometimes because they didn't know,

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because the lack of telling them

isn't intentional.

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It's just when something

is a part of your life, it's not.

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You don't think about it being different,

and so you don't always remember

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to communicate those things.

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So yeah, it's

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kind of a give and take on both sides.

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Yeah.

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This kind of graciousness,

I guess, is the word that came to mind.

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I guess that's the right word. Yeah, just.

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But isn't that what would happen

with trying to join

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essentially any group that's been together

for a long period of time?

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Because the mennonites

have been around a while.

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Like, you know, we kind of have

just developed a way of doing life

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right, wrong, indifferent, whatever.

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It's just kind of just this is a culture.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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It's kind of like whenever I do

a lot of traveling internationally

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and it's really fun

because every place I go,

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they just do things

a little bit differently

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and I find it really neat

and kind of interesting,

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but it makes me kind of appreciate

all the different church cultures

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that are out there,

not just within the Mennonites,

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but you would have that in,

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you know, different

forms of the Protestants

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and the evangelicals

and the Orthodox groups,

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and the whatever, take your pick,

they all have these interesting ways

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they developed over the years

of doing life, doing church.

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I don't see those things as

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wrong, you know, Of course,

they just kind of are, I suppose.

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But it makes it,

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yeah, a little interesting for people

joining, you know, from the outside.

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Yeah.

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Grace is a good word to use

because another story I thought of

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and this one I had to laugh at myself,

which is also a very valuable character

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trait to have when you're coming into,

like you said, any cultural setting.

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But we're talking about

like coming into Anabaptist churches

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where you're the odd man out

and that's okay.

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But there was one time same church

because I think of that one

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because that was the most drastic church

setting

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that I've experienced

as far as like really conservative.

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But we were at someone's house for lunch

and I was visiting

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with all the little children

and they spoke Dutch.

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I mean, the children spoke

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English and Dutch, but like at that church

they would have predominantly spoke

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Dutch or German, however you would say it.

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And I was sitting with them

and they're like,

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we want to teach you how to say colors.

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I was like, okay, sure.

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And so they started teaching me

some things.

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Then we got to yellow and they said lelow.

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And so I said it

and it just peels of giggles.

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And I was like,

well I must not have said it right.

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And so they're like, try again.

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So I said, lelow.

And they just laughed and laughed.

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I'm like, All right, you guys like,

What am I doing wrong?

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And they're like,

It’s yellow. We told you to say it wrong.

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Bunch of little kids.

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And like, you can take that really bad

and be like, that was so mean.

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But I’m like, ok, like...

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So you really got to learn to laugh

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at yourself.

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Like, don't take it too seriously

when you don’t always get it, it's okay.

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And even just another one

I thought about that I've heard seekers

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talk about before. Is...

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we'll just say mennonites

for the sake of simplicity.

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But we have memorized a lot of songs,

a lot of choruses,

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simple songs that we’ll sing,

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you know, at the end of service

or at communion

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or I'm thinking

specifically like fellowship meals.

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There's like three different chorus songs

that are sung at fellowship meals often.

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And so as you're coming in as a seeker,

it's like, okay, everybody's

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breaking out in song and I don't know

this, so, I'm just going to, you know.

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Try to mouth it or awkwardly

stand in the corner and it's like,

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you know, it's okay.

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They grew up singing these songs

and it took me

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a little while to learn them

because if you don't hear them often,

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but you can learn them.

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And so,

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yeah,

just the thing of not taking yourself too

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seriously

and just being real self-conscious

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and uptight, like, I just don't fit in

and I just don't get it.

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I mean, you can ask someone for help.

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You could have them like,

can you write out the words for me

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so I can at least know the words

and then learn the tune.

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Like if you want to quotes fit in.

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Like if you want to be involved,

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take steps to learn

and give yourself time to learn.

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Like nobody's laughing at you

because you don't know

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Because they know

you don't know and it's okay.

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But yeah, that was definitely one

I thought about

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because even when we get together

for small groups

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we’ll often have a chorus book

that has no sheet music with it.

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It's just the words

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and people just know the music from

it being passed down and just from memory.

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And so you have to give yourself time

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to learn those things

without being all self-conscious about it.

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And just like,

you know, they're so different than me.

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So I think our perspective

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really helps a lot with that

and just being willing to ask for help.

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There's

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as you're saying that I immediately

thought of an essay that C.S.

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Lewis wrote called the,

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I think it's called The Inner Ring

or something like that.

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And it's writing about this,

how each person has this innate

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desire to belong to a group of some kind.

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You could use terms like community,

a religious group of some kind, like why?

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Why is religion so big in the world,

You know, not just Christianity.

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Take your pick of any major religion.

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It's because it's

a place to belong and fit in.

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On the flip side,

if you feel like you're not fitting in

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or you're missing a critical piece

to fit into

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whatever that group might be,

it's like a cognitive dissonance.

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Something's off, you don't feel right.

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And that can really, really be hard

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for a person

and that's kind of how we're hardwired.

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I don't know why God made it entirely

that way.

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I think it's

because they're not designed to do life

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by ourselves in isolation, you know?

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But it can be really difficult.

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It can feel like I don't fit

in, I don't belong.

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And that's unfortunate

because I don't think that

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would be the intention of anybody.

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You know, in that case, of

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they have the songs memorized

and you don't or whatever.

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It's not like, we're trying to

isolate you from the group.

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But I can see how that could be very

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painful over time,

especially if it is an ongoing situation.

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Like for you, How long did it feel,

How much time did it feel like

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you needed to start saying,

Hey, I actually feel like I belong here?

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I feel like I know how things work now.

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Was that a pretty long process

or did did it come fairly naturally?

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I honestly don't remember,

because we would have

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been in a couple of different churches

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over that initial period

for different reasons.

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And again, like I was a young person,

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like we talked about in the previous

episode here,

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So it was easier for me to assimilate.

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So I didn't feel as much of that,

because I was learning faster.

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I could see how age

could be a factor in that,

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you know that the cultural hurdles again

I do a lot of traveling

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internationally with different ministries

and things.

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That's incredible.

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When a family moves to a foreign culture

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to do missions or whatever,

the children are just a wonder to watch.

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They assimilate so well,

like before you know it, you turn around

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and they're like speaking the language

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and hanging out with their local friends

and it's like no big deal.

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And the parents are struggling to fit in

to whatever culture it might be.

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It's just the way it is. It's really hard.

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So age, I think, may have something

to do with it, or it may depend

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on how big the cultural gap

is that you're leaping to.

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I don't know.

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Or maybe that's

what we're trying to do with this

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episode is just that awareness of,

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you know,

there is going to be some cultural

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a learning curve, I suppose.

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Right? I don't know what's a few others.

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Did you have any others

you wanted to mention?

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For one other cultural thing,

and I saw this

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more at Bible school

and it just really tickled me.

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But even looking back

at like mennonite pictures from like,

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you know, the sixties and seventies

and eighties, it's like, well,

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the worldly culture

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was having all of their hairstyles

and all of their crazy clothes

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and like all their stuff,

like Mennonites over that period.

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And even then the Amish too,

like they had their trends, like,

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you know, you might have a season

where all the women wore elastic

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in the waist of their cape dresses.

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Well, now we're to belts or now

we're to fitted waist.

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And you know how they wear their covering

or how, we can't do a whole lot

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with our hairstyle under our cap.

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Or over our veil or whatever.

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But, you know,

you might have your hair down

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over your ears or like kind of a trend

with young people now,

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like the generation after me is to, like,

have a little loose hair around your ear.

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We can find ways to be a little trendy,

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so it's like

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Mennonites and Anabaptist

people are not immune to that.

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And if you're in it,

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you see those little subtleties,

and I just like it cracks me up right now.

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Certain Mennonite communities,

the guys are really,

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have really trendy hairstyles

and some of them are pretty elaborate.

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And it just cracks me up.

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And I just ask them sometimes, I’m like,

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you know when you’re 80

and you look back at these pictures,

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are you going to feel like

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people from the 1970s who’re like,

why did I do that?

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Why did I have a mullet?

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So it’s like, mennonites are not immune

to fashion trends.

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But they just look a little different.

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And they're, it's

like a whole rocket science too.

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Like trying to figure it all out

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because it'll depend on like,

which mennonite group and, where they are

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in North America and like who

they're trying to associate with.

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And then, you know,

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I mean, for the most part,

it's kind of like,

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okay, whatever, you know, that really

whatever it is, it just is.

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But I do find it

kind of hilarious in its own unique way.

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I don't know. It

just it's such a human thing.

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Right, that’s what I was going to say,

it's just humanity.

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Like, how can you have self-expression?

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that's kind of cool.

I like that. I’m gonna do that too.

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Well, okay, so before we started,

just before we hit

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the record button, another one

that your husband sitting here off camera.

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I think it was you who said it.

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Was it volleyball

or you mentioned volleyball?

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Or maybe that was our camera guy

said something about like,

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volleyball is like the thing for,

you know, especially men

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and our young men,

you know, like in their teens.

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Volleyball and softball, now spikeball.

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Now softball.

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Well,

the softball is very much of a southern

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in the southern Mennonite churches.

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Yeah. Goodness.

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It's a thing. Such a thing.

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And I never thought about that

until it's like,

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yeah, we just get together

and play softball, like, all the time.

465

00:21:23,407 --> 00:21:27,577

Like we have, we will cross the nation

for a volleyball tournament.

466

00:21:27,661 --> 00:21:30,247

I mean some churches

are staunchly against tournament.

467

00:21:30,247 --> 00:21:33,667

Because they're not okay

with organized competition.

468

00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:35,711

They’re not okay with that.

469

00:21:35,711 --> 00:21:39,423

Well, but this is one way that mennonite

young people can kind of get around

470

00:21:39,631 --> 00:21:42,551

not playing in, say, leagues or

471

00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:44,594

in a public school

setting or something like that.

472

00:21:44,594 --> 00:21:45,637

And okay, again, whatever.

473

00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:47,472

Each church kind of has to figure out

where they fall on that.

474

00:21:47,472 --> 00:21:48,390

But yeah, absolutely.

475

00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:51,184

Some of these young guys are literally,

you know, on weekends,

476

00:21:51,184 --> 00:21:54,062

they're incredibly good

and they're driving, you know, 6 hours.

477

00:21:54,062 --> 00:21:56,189

one way to go play a tournament,

478

00:21:56,189 --> 00:22:02,779

you know, it just is like it's

just a thing that we do, apparently.

479

00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:03,238

It's a way

480

00:22:03,238 --> 00:22:07,117

we play, but it's a way

we build relationship.

481

00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:07,492

Yeah.

482

00:22:07,492 --> 00:22:09,286

Like you said,

you go to these volleyball tournaments,

483

00:22:09,286 --> 00:22:12,039

or you go to Bible school,

and you'll play volleyball.

484

00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:13,498

Ceaselessly. Yeah.

485

00:22:13,498 --> 00:22:13,832

Oh my.

486

00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:15,208

See, I'm not much of a volleyball guy.

487

00:22:15,208 --> 00:22:18,211

I look like a giraffe out there.

488

00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:19,087

But, you know.

489

00:22:19,087 --> 00:22:20,756

But, yeah, it was actually I.

490

00:22:20,756 --> 00:22:22,174

So I actually thought about that one

491

00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:24,843

because that one was one

I didn't really fit in like, as well.

492

00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:28,221

Like, it's, it's okay,

but it wasn't like my thing.

493

00:22:28,221 --> 00:22:31,058

But for some guys at Bible school like,

it was their thing.

494

00:22:31,058 --> 00:22:32,434

It was a big deal.

495

00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:34,269

And I always kind of wondered about that.

496

00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:38,148

It's like,

if you don't fit in to that, It can feel,

497

00:22:38,231 --> 00:22:41,735

yeah, I can feel a little odd, you know,

it can feel and that comes back to that

498

00:22:41,735 --> 00:22:45,989

whole like all of us want to fit

in, you know, And, this this can be hard.

499

00:22:45,989 --> 00:22:47,616

It can be a challenge.

500

00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:52,704

But I think you'd said something like,

don't take it too seriously or don't...

501

00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:53,997

It's okay to be different.

502

00:22:53,997 --> 00:22:55,624

Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.

503

00:22:55,624 --> 00:22:58,377

I think that's, I think

there's some truth to that. You know.

504

00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:01,296

And kind of bunny trailing off of that.

505

00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:01,797

Maybe on

506

00:23:01,797 --> 00:23:05,634

a little bit more serious note,

but thinking about

507

00:23:05,717 --> 00:23:09,513

I guess I want to find a balance here

between like the way Mennonites are as a

508

00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:12,724

culture is okay

because it's who we are as a people,

509

00:23:12,808 --> 00:23:15,936

just like any other culture has their

quirks, has their ways of doing things

510

00:23:15,936 --> 00:23:19,731

like it doesn't mean it's bad

just because it's unique to them.

511

00:23:19,815 --> 00:23:21,733

But as a seeker coming

512

00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:24,778

in, you're going to have

a fresh perspective on it.

513

00:23:24,778 --> 00:23:28,532

You're going to be looking at things

and being like, That's unusual,

514

00:23:28,657 --> 00:23:32,202

or that doesn't make sense

because you didn't grow up with that.

515

00:23:32,202 --> 00:23:35,539

It's not normal for you,

and that can be really valuable.

516

00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:39,835

Not in a I want to change

you and challenge everything kind of way.

517

00:23:39,835 --> 00:23:42,671

I don't think that's the right way

to approach that.

518

00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:46,508

But just like curiosity and wanting to

learn and that kind of thing.

519

00:23:46,550 --> 00:23:48,093

But something I definitely thought about

520

00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:52,055

as far as what you were talking about

was like kind of peer pressure.

521

00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:53,807

And we both know like there's

522

00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:56,726

some communities

that are worse about this than others,

523

00:23:56,726 --> 00:24:00,355

but there is definitely really strong

524

00:24:00,355 --> 00:24:04,276

peer pressure and the pressure to perform

525

00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,445

in a lot of our communities,

526

00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:12,492

partly because a lot of our principals

show up in externals,

527

00:24:12,576 --> 00:24:15,454

which isn't a bad thing, like,

you know, the principle of modesty

528

00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:18,915

or the principle of cleanliness

or orderliness, because those are

529

00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:22,377

traits of God, like God is a God of order

and, you know, those kinds of things.

530

00:24:22,377 --> 00:24:25,338

And that we reflect

that in our external lives.

531

00:24:25,338 --> 00:24:26,506

So that's not bad.

532

00:24:26,506 --> 00:24:29,468

But then those can turn into

533

00:24:29,468 --> 00:24:32,262

you're not good enough if

534

00:24:32,345 --> 00:24:34,347

or you need to measure up.

535

00:24:34,347 --> 00:24:38,351

And I think as seekers coming in,

536

00:24:38,435 --> 00:24:41,771

I guess striking that balance between

537

00:24:41,813 --> 00:24:44,316

there will be ways you need to assimilate

538

00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,943

just because it is a culture,

539

00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:50,530

but at the same time

coming in as a seeker, someone different,

540

00:24:50,614 --> 00:24:54,075

you can come in and say,

I don't like to bake

541

00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:58,455

or I don't own my own business

or I hate volleyball.

542

00:24:58,455 --> 00:25:00,540

Like, and that's okay.

543

00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:05,545

If you can come in as a seeker

willing to learn, but also being,

544

00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:08,757

learning to be completely comfortable

with who you are and not feeling like

545

00:25:08,882 --> 00:25:14,554

you have to be Mennonite, like all these

other things that we do that aren't really

546

00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:16,348

necessary, you know what I mean?

547

00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:20,101

Like playing volleyball, whatever,

548

00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:22,562

learning how to sew

and those kinds of things.

549

00:25:22,562 --> 00:25:23,897

Like,

550

00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:25,732

Yeah, I know a lady just recently told me

551

00:25:25,732 --> 00:25:29,027

she's like, when I told her

I was doing this interview, she's like.

552

00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:29,945

Well, I just,

553

00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:31,488

I don't want people coming in thinking,

well,

554

00:25:31,488 --> 00:25:33,949

they just have to know how to make bread.

555

00:25:33,949 --> 00:25:36,701

It's like, you don't have to. It's okay.

556

00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:41,456

So I think as seekers coming

in, we can maybe help,

557

00:25:41,456 --> 00:25:44,459

bring perspective

to that pressure to perform

558

00:25:44,501 --> 00:25:49,673

if we can learn how to assimilate,

but also be comfortable with who we are

559

00:25:49,756 --> 00:25:53,927

and saying no

to that unhealthy peer pressure,

560

00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:56,096

if you know what I mean.

561

00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:56,429

Yeah.

562

00:25:56,429 --> 00:25:58,473

Like, well, again, this was something

563

00:25:58,473 --> 00:26:01,685

before we hit record we were you're

talking about all of us here.

564

00:26:01,768 --> 00:26:07,232

And one of them was to be, okay,

let me back up a little bit.

565

00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:10,443

One of the Mennonite culture things,

566

00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:12,904

I think it comes from a kind of German

Swiss background.

567

00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:15,615

But we do things right.

We are super productive.

568

00:26:15,615 --> 00:26:20,495

We're like, we get things done, again,

good things, you know,

569

00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:26,167

but that can push into you need to be

very economically prosperous.

570

00:26:26,167 --> 00:26:28,295

You know, you need to work hard.

571

00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:31,047

And other one is

you should have a business that's like

572

00:26:31,047 --> 00:26:34,009

super common, you know, for Mennonite

573

00:26:34,009 --> 00:26:36,511

guys especially to have their own business

574

00:26:36,511 --> 00:26:39,764

and those things

I think can very quickly again,

575

00:26:39,764 --> 00:26:42,809

those are not wrong,

but that could push into some things

576

00:26:42,809 --> 00:26:44,769

that aren't so good

because that can put some

577

00:26:44,769 --> 00:26:48,565

some serious pressure on someone coming in

to feel like, well, to fit in.

578

00:26:48,565 --> 00:26:50,191

I mean, this is

this is how I'm supposed to do it.

579

00:26:50,191 --> 00:26:51,526

So I need to start a business, too.

580

00:26:51,526 --> 00:26:52,652

Well, hold on.

581

00:26:52,652 --> 00:26:54,654

You know, you don't have to do that.

582

00:26:54,654 --> 00:26:57,949

But that is pretty deep

in our culture, actually,

583

00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:01,745

which is kind of a quirky thing, I guess.

584

00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:02,454

I mean, that's a,

585

00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:05,665

it's a lot of work, you know,

but it's just how we are, I suppose.

586

00:27:05,749 --> 00:27:09,002

So I see some of these things

can just be kind of whatever,

587

00:27:09,085 --> 00:27:10,003

you know, that they are.

588

00:27:10,003 --> 00:27:12,964

You like volleyball,

you don't, whatever. But

589

00:27:13,048 --> 00:27:16,051

if it's something where you feel

a lot of pressure of,

590

00:27:16,051 --> 00:27:19,512

man, I need to be working

really, really hard and have my own

591

00:27:19,512 --> 00:27:22,515

business and blah, blah, blah,

like the whole list, I don't know.

592

00:27:22,682 --> 00:27:26,019

And this will vary from mennonite

community to mennonite community, but

593

00:27:26,102 --> 00:27:27,062

some of those things, I don't know.

594

00:27:27,062 --> 00:27:29,564

It feels like that

could be a lot of unnecessary pressure.

595

00:27:29,564 --> 00:27:30,774

Not intentionally.

596

00:27:30,774 --> 00:27:34,861

I don't think the seekers coming in

or whatever are being pressured.

597

00:27:34,861 --> 00:27:38,156

You have to do it this way, but

just by osmosis you feel like you should.

598

00:27:38,239 --> 00:27:38,531

I don't know.

599

00:27:38,531 --> 00:27:41,117

Do want to speak into that

where these things aren't wrong things,

600

00:27:41,117 --> 00:27:44,287

but it could put a unhealthy

push on people

601

00:27:44,371 --> 00:27:47,999

to be something

maybe they shouldn't I think that's where

602

00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:49,709

some of that conflict

603

00:27:49,709 --> 00:27:52,545

that comes for people looking out,

even if they're not interested

604

00:27:52,545 --> 00:27:53,421

in becoming anabaptist.

605

00:27:53,421 --> 00:27:57,342

So like, well, they're just

everything they do is on the outside

606

00:27:57,384 --> 00:28:00,804

because there's

so much pressure to perform.

607

00:28:00,804 --> 00:28:06,434

And like we're known for our work ethic

which comes out of like Godly principles.

608

00:28:06,434 --> 00:28:09,354

But then that becomes, can become

not always,

609

00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:11,731

but it can become an overriding thing.

610

00:28:11,731 --> 00:28:15,568

So then like, you know, if you have moms

that are in a really busy state of littles

611

00:28:15,568 --> 00:28:19,864

and just like their house is a wreck

and so they can just feel like,

612

00:28:19,906 --> 00:28:23,743

well, I can't host anybody until I get

all tidied up and then you just can't.

613

00:28:23,743 --> 00:28:26,746

And then you never host like,

614

00:28:26,746 --> 00:28:28,373

And even just that like something like

615

00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:31,584

hosting, is a bunny trail a little bit

from what we were just talking about.

616

00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:34,546

But I know that's something

that I've heard

617

00:28:34,546 --> 00:28:37,006

from people who've hosted a seeker

618

00:28:37,006 --> 00:28:40,301

visiting their church for the first time

or whatever, regardless of.

619

00:28:40,301 --> 00:28:41,845

Well, yeah,

620

00:28:41,845 --> 00:28:46,516

kind of regardless of their background,

but often it's a non churched background.

621

00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,476

It's not uncommon

622

00:28:48,476 --> 00:28:52,063

at all to have someone set up to host

every Sunday,

623

00:28:52,272 --> 00:28:56,025

like just have a schedule of

someone in the church is going to host,

624

00:28:56,025 --> 00:28:59,529

if there's visitors,

whether it's, you know, out of town

625

00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:02,991

mennonites or a local visitor,

whatever, like to have someone in place

626

00:29:02,991 --> 00:29:06,536

to have like a meal ready for visitors.

627

00:29:06,619 --> 00:29:08,413

And I love that about our churches.

628

00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:11,374

I love that we are involved in that way.

629

00:29:11,374 --> 00:29:15,253

But there's been so many times that it,

and I guess I would say specifically

630

00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:18,047

an unchurched person,

because like, we're in the Bible Belt,

631

00:29:18,047 --> 00:29:19,424

we have lots of Baptists.

632

00:29:19,424 --> 00:29:22,761

They do potlucks, like, there’s

a lot of fellowshipping around food

633

00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,764

that happens

in some other denominations as well.

634

00:29:25,847 --> 00:29:29,476

But so I'll say specifically unchurched

people,

635

00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:33,521

they'll get invited to someone's

home for lunch and it feels really weird,

636

00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:36,524

It feels really awkward,

and it's like, I'm

637

00:29:36,524 --> 00:29:39,861

in your home, I'm at your table,

This is your personal space.

638

00:29:39,861 --> 00:29:41,863

And it's like, What do I do with myself?

639

00:29:41,863 --> 00:29:43,156

This feels weird.

640

00:29:43,156 --> 00:29:45,450

And for us, it's

just like it's normal because.

641

00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:47,243

I literally don't think a thing of it.

642

00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:50,747

Yeah, that's so interesting, because

I have some local friends that I’ve like,

643

00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:53,374

the one had helped to,

like with this house

644

00:29:53,374 --> 00:29:55,752

that we built, and it's like, Hey,

come on over sometime.

645

00:29:55,752 --> 00:29:57,378

I'll show you the finished product

and like,

646

00:29:57,378 --> 00:29:58,797

we'll hang out

and I'll make you a smoothie or something.

647

00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:03,176

I mean, nothing crazy at all. Like, and,

648

00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:04,594

you know, that's, just hard

649

00:30:04,594 --> 00:30:08,056

for some people to do because it feels,

but this is your, your space.

650

00:30:08,056 --> 00:30:10,934

Whereas we're just like,

oh no, we just kind of do this.

651

00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:13,228

Yeah. It's a very...

652

00:30:13,228 --> 00:30:14,646

I'm not really sure

where that comes from, actually.

653

00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:17,232

Now that I think about it,

I wonder where we get that.

654

00:30:17,315 --> 00:30:17,857

I don't know.

655

00:30:17,857 --> 00:30:21,110

Maybe because we typically be, since

656

00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:24,113

we're more community minded, we're just

657

00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:27,575

more open in that way because, like,

we view people outside of our family

658

00:30:27,575 --> 00:30:31,746

as part of our family, like,

we just kind of welcome people in.

659

00:30:31,788 --> 00:30:35,166

And, I mean, it's again, it comes back

to those biblical principles of, like,

660

00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:38,711

you know, show hospitality to strangers

and like those kinds of things.

661

00:30:38,711 --> 00:30:42,465

So, like, hospitality is something

I feel like Anabaptists do really well.

662

00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:46,553

And I'm really thankful for that

because there's been so many times

663

00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:50,598

when it's just left

an incredible testimony of like,

664

00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:54,686

it is significant and I don't really

understand it because I'm used to it now.

665

00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:58,523

So I'm like, It's

not weird for me to go to someone's home,

666

00:30:58,606 --> 00:31:00,525

especially someone that I know

fairly well, just like,

667

00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:02,652

you know, if people come to my house,

I'm just like,

668

00:31:02,652 --> 00:31:05,530

I can't hear the door,

just come in like, it's fine.

669

00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:07,448

And I have friends that, you know,

if they come over at lunch,

670

00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:09,826

I'm like, just raid the fridge

and they know they can raid the fridge

671

00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:11,119

and like, yeah.

672

00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,330

So I think it is unique

673

00:31:14,414 --> 00:31:17,166

in our American culture to do that.

674

00:31:17,166 --> 00:31:19,002

And that's one of the things

I really love.

675

00:31:19,002 --> 00:31:21,254

Like,

I love that about Anabaptist culture.

676

00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:24,924

So maybe that's a bit of a quirk,

but that's like a really positive quirk.

677

00:31:25,008 --> 00:31:27,635

I would very much agree with you on that.

678

00:31:27,635 --> 00:31:31,472

That is a very positive thing.

679

00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:32,807

I guess it's not a quirk,

680

00:31:32,807 --> 00:31:37,145

but it's something we've held on to

is just the thing of gender roles.

681

00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:42,734

And I think one of the things that makes

it easier for us to do that is because

682

00:31:42,817 --> 00:31:43,568

our women

683

00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:47,322

are fulfilling those roles

of like homemaker,

684

00:31:47,405 --> 00:31:50,575

which I know is going to be

super controversial for people.

685

00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:52,660

Right, I know the comments

are just going to come pouring in.

686

00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:54,495

I know

that's just going to come pouring in.

687

00:31:54,495 --> 00:31:55,997

It's like I'm not opposed.

688

00:31:55,997 --> 00:31:59,792

Like we have so many women

who do part time jobs or they're doing,

689

00:31:59,959 --> 00:32:00,877

you know, work from home.

690

00:32:00,877 --> 00:32:03,004

Oh my goodness,

the Norwex and the Lemongrass.

691

00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:07,175

Oh, that’s

very mennonite cultural phenomenon.

692

00:32:07,175 --> 00:32:09,844

We won’t get into that one.

693

00:32:09,844 --> 00:32:12,013

If you’re curious

what that is. You can leave a comment.

694

00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:13,222

If you haven’t heard of it yet.

695

00:32:13,222 --> 00:32:14,807

We have so many like, Norwex

696

00:32:14,807 --> 00:32:19,020

and lemongrass and Tupperware reps,

like it's something they can do from home.

697

00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:20,271

Yeah, but it works.

698

00:32:20,271 --> 00:32:20,688

Yeah.

699

00:32:20,688 --> 00:32:21,731

So, like,

700

00:32:21,731 --> 00:32:24,901

I'm not saying women can't work at all

or that our women don't go to school

701

00:32:24,901 --> 00:32:25,902

because, like,

702

00:32:25,902 --> 00:32:29,238

I know some women who have, like,

pulled a load because they wanted a degree

703

00:32:29,238 --> 00:32:33,576

or for nursing whatever

but I do think that is probably

704

00:32:33,576 --> 00:32:37,997

what helps us be able to host

well because our ladies

705

00:32:37,997 --> 00:32:41,709

are embracing that

706

00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:45,797

scriptural role of women being keepers

at home and caring for the home.

707

00:32:45,797 --> 00:32:50,301

So then we can

you know, prepare meals that are pleasant.

708

00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:54,639

Doesn't have to be complicated, but,

you know, we have the time

709

00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:59,060

to be home

to prepare our home to receive people.

710

00:32:59,143 --> 00:33:01,020

And so if we're never home,

711

00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:03,898

it's always going to look stressful,

like it can be stressful

712

00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:06,067

sometimes even when you are home

and you have lots of children.

713

00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,735

We have things going on, whatever.

714

00:33:07,735 --> 00:33:10,780

But I think that makes us unique as well.

715

00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:15,159

Just how we have embraced gender roles

the way God intended

716

00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:21,374

so that we can serve in those ways,

makes us unique.

717

00:33:21,457 --> 00:33:23,167

Yeah.

718

00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:26,963

There's very much this. This

719

00:33:27,046 --> 00:33:28,423

style of way of,

720

00:33:28,423 --> 00:33:32,260

like, communal, family oriented things

721

00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,680

like that, and like, fairly strong around,

centered around those things.

722

00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:38,266

And again, I don't know entirely

where that comes from.

723

00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:38,933

Obviously, there's,

724

00:33:38,933 --> 00:33:42,687

there's biblical principles for that,

but we have it extra strong

725

00:33:42,770 --> 00:33:44,063

as opposed to some other church groups.

726

00:33:44,063 --> 00:33:45,982

And I don't know if there's some history

there,

727

00:33:45,982 --> 00:33:49,360

maybe because of the extreme persecution

the Mennonites went through in history

728

00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,449

and they had to work together really

careful like really closely to survive,

729

00:33:54,532 --> 00:33:56,367

who knows? But is part of who we are.

730

00:33:56,367 --> 00:33:59,162

And that yeah, can

definitely throw a curveball.

731

00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:00,913

Like I have a friend

732

00:34:00,913 --> 00:34:04,667

who, you know, just works at a business

here in town and I'm like, Hey, come over.

733

00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:06,461

We got a place for hammocks.

734

00:34:06,461 --> 00:34:09,172

If you ever want to just come chill

like you can do that.

735

00:34:09,172 --> 00:34:11,507

And she's, you know, keep saying,

I'd love to do that. I'd love to do that.

736

00:34:11,507 --> 00:34:14,343

But, you know, it doesn't happen

because it it feels kind of weird.

737

00:34:14,343 --> 00:34:16,929

It's like, well,

that's your your space, you know?

738

00:34:16,929 --> 00:34:21,517

So as an American in a mainstream American

culture, that's like really weird.

739

00:34:21,517 --> 00:34:26,314

And for me, that's like not, it's

nothing I don't really think about that.

740

00:34:26,397 --> 00:34:28,441

And it's just what it is, you know?

741

00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:30,359

But these things can really kind of throw

you a curveball.

742

00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:33,154

Like when you're coming in fresh,

743

00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:36,824

you know, and not part of having grown up

in this culture and so forth.

744

00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,368

There was a mennonite group.

745

00:34:39,368 --> 00:34:42,747

I say group because it was a number

of local people they got together for...

746

00:34:42,830 --> 00:34:45,583

I think it was Christmas

or New Years or something.

747

00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:47,418

And so were Mennonites. We do food.

748

00:34:47,418 --> 00:34:49,670

If we're together,

there will be food. It's just what we do.

749

00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:51,756

Another quirk.

750

00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,342

We can't get together, not have food.

I mean, we are sitting here with chai.

751

00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:57,845

We have to have some kind of beverage

or something.

752

00:34:57,929 --> 00:34:59,180

It's just how we fellowship.

753

00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:04,852

But so yeah, there was this local lady

from the community who was kind of alone.

754

00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:08,272

She didn't really have a lot of friends

or family, and this Mennonite family

755

00:35:08,272 --> 00:35:11,692

had made friends with her

and they're like, hey, come over.

756

00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:12,735

You can join our party.

757

00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:15,571

Like they were having

a number of friends over.

758

00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:17,240

I think it was New Year's.

759

00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:21,244

And this lady was like,

at the end of the evening,

760

00:35:21,327 --> 00:35:24,372

she's like, Was there

like, was the punch spiked or anything?

761

00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:26,541

Because like, I feel really good.

762

00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:31,462

And they're like, No, it was just normal

punch, Like there was no alcohol anywhere.

763

00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:33,714

And she's like,

But I almost feel that way.

764

00:35:33,714 --> 00:35:37,552

She's like, I just feel like relaxed

and peaceful and just like,

765

00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,054

like she had a really good time

and she was just sure

766

00:35:40,054 --> 00:35:43,683

there had to be alcohol somewhere to feel

so rest like relaxed and whatever.

767

00:35:43,683 --> 00:35:47,520

And they're like, no, like it's just

768

00:35:47,603 --> 00:35:48,437

it's,

769

00:35:48,437 --> 00:35:51,107

just probably,

you know, the presence of God

770

00:35:51,107 --> 00:35:55,403

and just the peace of fellowship and like,

we don't need the extra stuff for that.

771

00:35:55,403 --> 00:35:58,698

That is something.

772

00:35:58,781 --> 00:36:00,283

Wow. So even things like that, like

773

00:36:00,283 --> 00:36:04,745

if you go to mennonite parties,

there will not be alcohol.

774

00:36:04,829 --> 00:36:07,248

If you're used to that, you will not see.

775

00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:09,208

Like at our weddings.

776

00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:11,294

Like our weddings

are definitely not going to be

777

00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:13,212

what you're used to

in your typical American weddings.

778

00:36:13,212 --> 00:36:16,716

But yeah, just different things like that.

779

00:36:16,757 --> 00:36:20,469

It depends on which part of life

you intersect with the mennonites.

780

00:36:20,678 --> 00:36:25,474

But the cultural learning curve is very,

very, very steep in some areas.

781

00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:29,604

In another ways, maybe not so much like,

you know, yeah, you get in all those but

782

00:36:29,687 --> 00:36:33,566

and again, some of them are really

positive, like hospitality and so forth.

783

00:36:33,566 --> 00:36:35,026

And some of them I would view as,

784

00:36:35,026 --> 00:36:37,486

you know, maybe not so good,

like maybe some of the pressure of

785

00:36:37,486 --> 00:36:38,362

you should have your own business.

786

00:36:38,362 --> 00:36:38,863

You should,

787

00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:41,240

I think another one we mentioned

before we started recording, you should,

788

00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,034

you shouldn't rent,

you should buy a house.

789

00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:44,368

That's a big one.

790

00:36:44,368 --> 00:36:46,913

I think that one is slowly

changing actually.

791

00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:50,917

But you know, that could be a lot of undue

unnecessary pressure on someone.

792

00:36:50,958 --> 00:36:53,461

Just again,

not because someone's like you should,

793

00:36:53,461 --> 00:36:55,588

you know, but it's just that's

what everybody else is doing.

794

00:36:55,588 --> 00:37:00,301

So you feel this pressure to do that and

maybe you shouldn't, you know, or whatever

795

00:37:00,384 --> 00:37:00,801

you could

796

00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:03,804

argue that from all kinds of directions.

797

00:37:03,846 --> 00:37:04,180

Yeah.

798

00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:08,476

I think maybe all we're doing here with

this episode is just like

799

00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,103

the awareness that these things are there

800

00:37:11,103 --> 00:37:16,567

because it is so easy for us that are in

that environment to completely forget.

801

00:37:16,776 --> 00:37:19,362

It's like the fish in water,

like you don't even know the water exists

802

00:37:19,362 --> 00:37:22,240

because it's just your culture

and that's not wrong.

803

00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,701

But be at least aware of it

804

00:37:25,785 --> 00:37:26,285

for people.

805

00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:29,872

And I think people like yourself have been

really good for me to help me see that,

806

00:37:29,872 --> 00:37:31,332

because you maybe mentioned

807

00:37:31,332 --> 00:37:33,042

that that's a little different,

you know, or whatever,

808

00:37:33,042 --> 00:37:35,544

because you're coming

from a different background

809

00:37:35,544 --> 00:37:39,507

and that's healthy

and that's good for us to see that.

810

00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:42,551

Okay Yeah. What's, what's a few others?

811

00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:43,928

Now, something

812

00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:45,680

even just in the community,

813

00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,432

probably especially in the community

that my husband I live in, because we both

814

00:37:48,432 --> 00:37:52,937

would have grown up in like small

southern church plants

815

00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:55,982

where there wasn't

a lot of community connections.

816

00:37:55,982 --> 00:37:57,817

As far as your bloodlines.

817

00:37:57,817 --> 00:38:01,487

And so the community we're living in now,

he has a lot of family history there.

818

00:38:01,612 --> 00:38:04,657

And yeah, just the way his family

819

00:38:04,657 --> 00:38:08,202

looks, he's easily

identified as being part of that family.

820

00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:11,622

And that's true for some other bloodlines

as well within the anabaptist Church.

821

00:38:11,622 --> 00:38:12,957

But anyways,

822

00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:16,711

so we'll be walking through our small town

and it's typically an Amish person.

823

00:38:16,711 --> 00:38:18,337

This random

Amish person will come up to us

824

00:38:18,337 --> 00:38:20,006

and they never introduce themselves.

825

00:38:20,006 --> 00:38:22,842

So we never know who they are

826

00:38:22,842 --> 00:38:25,594

because everybody already knows who

they are, But we don't because

827

00:38:25,594 --> 00:38:26,679

we're new to the community.

828

00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,973

And he'll just be like,

you're a so-and-so.

829

00:38:28,973 --> 00:38:31,726

And we're like, Yeah,

we can't hide it. And he's like, So!

830

00:38:31,726 --> 00:38:32,977

And then he'll just go, like,

831

00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:35,646

talk about things in the community,

or he'll try to, like,

832

00:38:35,646 --> 00:38:38,441

just really pick apart

the generational lines and like,

833

00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:42,611

so what part of this family you come from

and all this stuff, but something that

834

00:38:42,611 --> 00:38:47,867

it would be good for seekers to know

and not be weirded out by, especially if

835

00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:50,161

you're in a larger

836

00:38:50,161 --> 00:38:53,080

conservative community like that

where they do talk about bloodlines

837

00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,709

a lot in

like your generational backgrounds,

838

00:38:56,792 --> 00:38:59,795

it can feel really sketchy

when like an Amish,

839

00:38:59,962 --> 00:39:01,922

I'm going to say Amish specifically

because that's our experience

840

00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:04,842

with people who do this the most,

when they will come out to be like,

841

00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:05,926

So who are you?

842

00:39:05,926 --> 00:39:06,886

Who is your family?

843

00:39:06,886 --> 00:39:09,555

Where are you from? Where do you live?

Where do you work? And all these things.

844

00:39:09,555 --> 00:39:12,558

And I have threatened so many times

to just make up a business card

845

00:39:12,558 --> 00:39:15,770

and just be like, Here, this is who I am.

846

00:39:15,811 --> 00:39:19,065

And in the broader world

that feels really sketchy.

847

00:39:19,065 --> 00:39:22,693

It's like, why do you want

all this personal information about me?

848

00:39:22,777 --> 00:39:24,987

And if it was anyone

other than an anabaptist person,

849

00:39:24,987 --> 00:39:28,574

it would feel really weird and I would

totally not give them my information.

850

00:39:28,657 --> 00:39:31,786

But in Anabaptist circle's

like bloodlines are really important

851

00:39:31,786 --> 00:39:35,122

because community is important

and family is important.

852

00:39:35,122 --> 00:39:41,337

So it's important for us

to know who you are from And that's like

853

00:39:41,337 --> 00:39:44,423

that's a blessing because we can trace it

like it's not a problem.

854

00:39:44,423 --> 00:39:48,719

But like for a seeker coming

in, it can feel really weird for people to

855

00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:54,141

start asking a lot of personal questions

about you and be like, Okay, who are you?

856

00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:57,895

There's a name for it,

you know, called the Mennonite game, Yes,

857

00:39:57,895 --> 00:39:59,021

and some people really like to play

the mennonite game.

858

00:39:59,021 --> 00:40:02,983

The Mennonite game is real.

859

00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:03,359

Yeah.

860

00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,444

Because like

you go to Bible school say or something

861

00:40:05,444 --> 00:40:09,156

and it's, that's practically part

of the introduction process.

862

00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,784

Oh you're so-and-so, I'm so-and-so.

863

00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:12,743

Where are you from?

864

00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:14,829

Who's your, boom? And you just try to.

865

00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:15,204

Yeah.

866

00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:17,456

Do you know so-and-so well,

do you know this person?

867

00:40:17,456 --> 00:40:19,417

Oh that church, I visited that church.

868

00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:22,211

It's like totally a thing. The network.

869

00:40:22,211 --> 00:40:22,628

Goodness.

870

00:40:22,628 --> 00:40:25,756

Mennonites are like the best

at networking.

871

00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,844

Because of the, community side is so tight

and it's very easy, you could go to

872

00:40:30,052 --> 00:40:32,972

about any Mennonite in North America

and find a direct connection to them in

873

00:40:32,972 --> 00:40:35,057

no time flat. Somehow,

even if it's obscure.

874

00:40:35,057 --> 00:40:37,017

It won't matter.

875

00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:38,436

They will work until they find it.

876

00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:42,273

And no matter how secure, you know,

and some people

877

00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:46,277

get terribly annoyed at that

and just find it incredibly frustrating.

878

00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:47,862

Some People think it's amazing.

879

00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:49,113

It's just, you know, it just is.

880

00:40:49,113 --> 00:40:51,615

It's just it just is.

881

00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:53,784

Which there's

a lot of cultures in other countries

882

00:40:53,784 --> 00:40:56,787

where that would be very normal,

you know, very typical.

883

00:40:56,871 --> 00:40:58,497

You're known by, you know, your father.

884

00:40:58,497 --> 00:41:01,375

Or your father’s family or whatever.

Yeah, exactly.

885

00:41:01,375 --> 00:41:04,462

And what, village

you're from or what, country, what

886

00:41:04,587 --> 00:41:07,465

you know, region

what all that stuff, what ethnic group.

887

00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:09,091

And that's a simply what's going on here.

888

00:41:09,091 --> 00:41:10,009

And it can be. Yeah.

889

00:41:10,009 --> 00:41:13,471

Very disorienting for a new person

coming in and experiencing that.

890

00:41:13,512 --> 00:41:16,432

And for a seeker coming in, it can be

891

00:41:16,432 --> 00:41:18,851

it can make you feel like an outsider

because it's like, well,

892

00:41:18,851 --> 00:41:22,313

I don't especially as a new seeker,

like the longer

893

00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:25,441

you're there, the more people get to know,

like, I have a lot of connections now.

894

00:41:25,441 --> 00:41:28,777

So it's really from going to Bible school

or, you know, being involved

895

00:41:28,777 --> 00:41:29,778

with different ministries.

896

00:41:29,778 --> 00:41:33,115

Like I have a lot of connections

now, so now I can, I can play the game

897

00:41:33,115 --> 00:41:35,576

like I can play. the Mennonite game.

898

00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:39,413

But initially it's like,

no, I don't know that person.

899

00:41:39,413 --> 00:41:40,873

And no, I'm not related to them.

900

00:41:40,873 --> 00:41:44,585

Like I'm not related to anybody. Because,

901

00:41:44,668 --> 00:41:46,253

they'll go by last names for example.

902

00:41:46,253 --> 00:41:49,340

And you didn't really have

a mennonite last name at that point so.

903

00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:52,343

I mean it’s at least german, but

they still struggled with that one like,

904

00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:53,844

Okay.

905

00:41:53,844 --> 00:41:57,097

Yeah, I remember some of that

being with your brother sometimes.

906

00:41:57,097 --> 00:42:00,643

And like, they're like, wow, You know,

I can't place where.

907

00:42:00,726 --> 00:42:03,812

Yeah,

I can’t place you in the Mennonite world,

908

00:42:03,812 --> 00:42:07,525

you know, and again,

they can come across or feel very weird.

909

00:42:07,608 --> 00:42:10,611

It can feel isolating. Yeah, Yeah.

910

00:42:10,611 --> 00:42:12,571

Well I just don’t belong

because I don't have those connections.

911

00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:14,782

But you don’t have to to fit in.

912

00:42:14,782 --> 00:42:17,785

Like, it's

okay to not have those connections.

913

00:42:17,785 --> 00:42:22,039

It's nice when you do it really is,

because then you can feel more connected.

914

00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:26,710

But I guess that's another thing of like,

Don't let it intimidate you or discourage

915

00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:29,964

you, that you don't have those connections

because you simply don't.

916

00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:31,173

And that's okay.

917

00:42:31,173 --> 00:42:33,050

Like it's

just another place where you just, like,

918

00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:37,221

accept those difference, need

to be willing to accept those differences

919

00:42:37,304 --> 00:42:41,559

and not let it go to you

and just be like, I just don't fit in.

920

00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:42,685

Yeah,

921

00:42:42,768 --> 00:42:43,060

Yeah.

922

00:42:43,060 --> 00:42:45,688

I think the takeaways

I would have for this episode,

923

00:42:45,688 --> 00:42:49,858

which has been a little more lighthearted,

some challenges in their challenges

924

00:42:49,858 --> 00:42:52,861

as far as like ways to challenge

925

00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:55,698

Mennonite background people and ways

the challenge seekers

926

00:42:55,698 --> 00:42:59,285

would be to just be, like I said,

just be willing to laugh at yourselves,

927

00:42:59,285 --> 00:43:02,454

whether you're a mennonite or seeker,

Like there's going to be seekers

928

00:43:02,454 --> 00:43:06,750

who are like not doing things

the way that culture says they should

929

00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:10,296

and just like being able to laugh

at each other like you're really quirky.

930

00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:13,549

Well, that didn't make sense and just

laugh at each other and it's okay.

931

00:43:13,549 --> 00:43:14,967

Like,

932

00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:17,636

yeah, to just not take ourselves too

seriously.

933

00:43:17,636 --> 00:43:22,224

We need to give, ourselves time to learn,

to know each other and learn how things

934

00:43:22,224 --> 00:43:28,856

are and just giving a lot of grace to each

other will go a long way.

935

00:43:28,939 --> 00:43:29,273

Yeah.

936

00:43:29,273 --> 00:43:31,233

Graciousness, humility.

937

00:43:31,233 --> 00:43:35,154

I think these are some pretty foundational

things that we should always have,

938

00:43:35,195 --> 00:43:38,657

especially in these cases, because it's

easy to think our culture is the best.

939

00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:40,951

You know, everybody should be like us.

940

00:43:40,951 --> 00:43:42,286

That's that's really easy

941

00:43:42,286 --> 00:43:44,580

if you find fault with it,

then that just really offends me.

942

00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:48,208

And it's like, Well,

what if I'm just genuinely wondering why?

943

00:43:48,250 --> 00:43:51,045

Or confused. Yes, exactly.

944

00:43:51,045 --> 00:43:52,838

Yeah.

Those are some really good takeaways.

945

00:43:52,838 --> 00:43:56,884

And yeah, I think this is a lot

for all of us to think about whether,

946

00:43:56,967 --> 00:44:00,304

you know, whoever is listening to this,

whether you're part of a mennonite church

947

00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:02,598

or you're not,

but you're interested in kind of like,

948

00:44:02,598 --> 00:44:04,350

what's it like on that side of things?

949

00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:08,437

And wherever people fall in the spectrum

there is,

950

00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,897

always going to be a cultural element.

951

00:44:09,897 --> 00:44:15,069

Like every church group, Mennonite or not,

has their certain ways of doing things,

952

00:44:15,152 --> 00:44:17,905

and yet

it's definitely there and it's a thing.

953

00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:18,656

And at least the awareness of it

goes a long ways in again,

954

00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:22,368

And at least the awareness of it

goes a long ways in again,

955

00:44:22,409 --> 00:44:25,537

being gracious with each other

and learning from each other to.

956

00:44:25,537 --> 00:44:27,039

I think is really important.

957

00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:31,168

I think the Mennonite churches have a lot

to learn from those that join from.

958

00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:33,337

Having grown up in that and have joined,

959

00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:34,880

I think we have a lot to learn

from those people.

960

00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,175

So yeah, I just

thanks for taking the time to share this.

961

00:44:38,258 --> 00:44:43,764

I will never think about yodeling

and accordions the same way ever again, so

962

00:44:43,847 --> 00:44:45,265

I appreciate that.

963

00:44:45,265 --> 00:44:48,769

Is there anything else you would like to

to add as we wrap this episode up?

964

00:44:48,852 --> 00:44:51,105

All right. Well,

thanks again for coming on the podcast.

965

00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:52,981

I appreciate it

Samantha!

Yep, it’s been fun.

966

00:44:54,233 --> 00:44:56,819

Thanks for listening to this episode

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967

00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:59,154

If you enjoyed this,

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968

00:44:59,154 --> 00:45:01,699

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969

00:45:01,699 --> 00:45:06,370

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970

00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:10,624

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971

00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:14,002

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