Speaker A

You've taken on this political figure, let's say, of a voice.

Speaker B

Why are they live streaming it?

Speaker B

Why are they live streaming a genocide?

Speaker B

Because they want to ramp up and build up a global anti Semitism scheme so that Jews worldwide think to themselves, oh, I think I need to go back to my homeland to be safe.

Speaker B

And that's going to bring a mass migration back to Israel.

Speaker A

I don't even think that our audience is ready for that.

Speaker A

But I'm with you.

Speaker A

I've been tracking this.

Speaker B

It sounds crazy, but it's actually happening.

Speaker A

Kind of shifting gears, you've taken on this political figure.

Speaker A

I'd say if you don't want to accept it yet or not, it's coming of a voice.

Speaker A

And when you have a voice on anything on the Internet, you're gonna have a division in it.

Speaker A

You're gonna have your support, then you're gonna have the anti.

Speaker A

That's against everything that you believe in.

Speaker A

You are very strong.

Speaker A

And I let, I want to really talk about Palestine because you're a, I would say a pro Palestinian activist, right?

Speaker A

And I don't know if that, that's too much for you.

Speaker A

I'm not only.

Speaker A

And I, and I, and I'd like, I want to have this conversation with.

Speaker A

Because I think Palestine has a lot of major issues.

Speaker A

A lot of Middle east do with corruption, government and all this type of stuff.

Speaker A

But I am a hundred percent pro, anti genocide of what's going on in Palestine.

Speaker A

I, I will never support any.

Speaker A

Even if it's happening to people that we have cursed.

Speaker A

There's no way women and children should be dying the way that they're dying.

Speaker A

So I'm, I'm 100%.

Speaker A

But I don't, I wouldn't consider myself a Palestinian activist because in the way that I feel our own country has so many problems and issues starting with our government.

Speaker A

If I'm going to dive into anything, activist wise, I'm going to support, not support.

Speaker A

I'm going to dive into that.

Speaker A

So I want to know what led you because obviously being a veteran, we served our country.

Speaker A

We, we, we bought into the idea that we're defending our country.

Speaker A

We're fighting these foreign wars for.

Speaker A

Because we're patriotic.

Speaker A

At least my generation.

Speaker B

We.

Speaker A

World Trade Centers fall.

Speaker A

Everybody's got to come together.

Speaker A

We're watching Clinton sit there and talk or not Clinton, Bush sit there at the, at the rebel and he's giving a speech and they got the flag behind him.

Speaker A

And I'm like, there it is.

Speaker A

There's my calling, right I'm going to go defend my country against the Middle East.

Speaker A

These dudes attacked us on our own homeland.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

So that's the story that I bit into and I look at it now and I'm like, okay, we've all been lied to.

Speaker A

If they're trying to push this more Middle Eastern war I, I feel is coming again, like that's the target.

Speaker A

Especially with the Muslims in this country and I might catch for saying this and correct me if I'm wrong, I feel most Muslims and Christians don't have beef with each other.

Speaker A

Obviously there's a division because the, you know, they branch 500 years after Christ.

Speaker A

Then we'll go through all that history if we want.

Speaker A

So they have their beliefs, we have ours.

Speaker A

But I feel our government is what puts this huge divide in this, this cloud over the Muslim community.

Speaker A

That when I've traveled the world and I've spent time in the Middle east knowing that I'm a Christian, I've never.

Speaker B

Had see something totally different.

Speaker A

I've never had problems.

Speaker A

Now when we're talking about Dearborn, Michigan and these Muslims this and they're taking over all those places, do I support that?

Speaker A

No, because they're coming here and they're taking over and there's a lot of weird things that are going on.

Speaker A

There's a lot in the most Muslim country in the culture that I don't support like she law and all the stuff that they're trying to push.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

So this is where I'm standing with it.

Speaker A

But then if I take a guy like you and this is where I want to pick your brain with like, okay, you've gone to Palestine, you've, you've, you've boots on the ground changed your life.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Why and how did it start?

Speaker A

What made you okay, we need, obviously I know the defending of, the murdering of innocent women and children.

Speaker A

Everybody should be backing that and trying to have a voice to stop the genocide of anybody.

Speaker A

Me personally.

Speaker A

That's just my belief, whoever it is.

Speaker A

So where did this all come in and why, why did this become so passionate for you to stand up for these people and become an activist for them?

Speaker B

Yeah, for me, I think, and it goes all the way back to my childhood, which your childhood shapes who you are as an adult.

Speaker B

More so than people realize.

Speaker B

But my first like quote unquote red pill moment was looking into 9 11.

Speaker A

Oh yeah.

Speaker B

When I was like 13, my brother showed me a documentary about 911 and all of the corruption and all of the like basically conspiracy theories that it was like an inside job.

Speaker B

And our government had foreshadowing of it and intel of it.

Speaker A

Elevator contracts.

Speaker A

Yeah, you can go.

Speaker B

Building 7 falling at free fall, descent at hours later without being hit by anything.

Speaker A

Yep.

Speaker B

Multiple people inside of the buildings claiming that they heard and felt multiple explosions, thermite debris being found in the wreckage.

Speaker B

Multiple other things.

Speaker B

So that was like my first red pill, wake up moment when I was like, in high school.

Speaker B

And so like I said, I've always been kind of into conspiracy theories and that was my.

Speaker B

My entry into the rabbit hole, so to speak.

Speaker B

And so all throughout high school, I started looking into, like, who's running the world?

Speaker B

Who's, like, running all this corruption and like, starting these wars and like, trying to, you know, follow the money and all this stuff.

Speaker B

And so I kind of had an idea or I started to look into, like, where do these things originate from?

Speaker B

Where does it lead back to?

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

And so a lot of what I was looking into would lead back to Israel.

Speaker B

Some sort of Israeli involvement, or at the very least, some sort of involvement of a Jewish person were a Zionist.

Speaker B

And so that struck me as very odd because I was raised in, like I said, a Protestant Christian home.

Speaker B

And it wasn't an evangelical or Baptist church, which are usually the more like staunch Zionist denominations.

Speaker B

But still, at that same time, I was raised in the Protestant community.

Speaker B

And the belief that Christians have this biblical obligation to support Israel and Jews is ubiquitous amongst the Protestant sex for the most part.

Speaker B

And so as I was looking into all this stuff, I'm seeing a miss.

Speaker B

A misfire here with our.

Speaker B

Our relationship with the Israelis and Jewish people as a whole.

Speaker B

And I'm starting to look into all this Judeo Christian stuff, and I'm realizing it's nonsense.

Speaker B

I'm realizing it's an oxymoron.

Speaker B

And so I start telling, like, my friends and my family about what I'm researching and discovering.

Speaker B

And they think I'm crazy, and my parents are thinking I'm crazy.

Speaker B

And I remember one time, because I started looking into like, the Palestinian stuff and who are the Palestinians and what's the whole thing with the Palestinians and the Israel.

Speaker B

And I remember one day we were driving, our family was driving home from church or something, and I remember bringing up the conversation and I was just talking about Israel and my mom was like, pushing back, and I was young, probably like 15, 14, and she's pushing back and I'm like, well, look at what they do to the Palestinians.

Speaker B

Look at all the stuff they do to them.

Speaker B

And she cuts me off and she goes, I will never support an Arab Muslim over a Jewish person.

Speaker B

But this was like her old brainwashed way of thinking.

Speaker B

She's come, she's turned a new corner these days.

Speaker B

She's like, on board with me.

Speaker A

Damn, that's impressive, Boomers.

Speaker B

It is, yeah, it really is.

Speaker B

But I say that because around that time, I kind of just stopped talking about it because nobody was believing me.

Speaker B

They thought I was crazy.

Speaker B

I didn't, I wasn't on social media.

Speaker B

So I just kind of like stopped looking into it and stopped talking about it.

Speaker B

So that sets the stage of like my pretense, my, my mindset before October 7th happens.

Speaker B

So, coincidentally enough, I eased.

Speaker B

I got my DD214 one month after October 7th happened.

Speaker B

Okay, so I remember we got back from Australia, I was in the chow hall eating my food, and I look up on the TV and I see the news report of October 7th.

Speaker B

And at that time, you know, when you're esing, you're just focused on getting out and like getting your feet on the ground in the civilian world.

Speaker B

So I looked up at the, the tv, I saw the news reports, and I was like, man, that sucks.

Speaker B

The Palestinians are going to get fucking mollywopped.

Speaker B

They're going to get slaughtered.

Speaker B

And then I go back to my food and go back to my business.

Speaker B

Didn't think too much about it.

Speaker B

And then I kind of paid attention a little bit as the conflict progressed.

Speaker B

But I remember the first point when I was like, okay, I want to get involved was summer of 2024, when Rafa was getting discriminately bombed.

Speaker B

I don't know if you or the viewers are aware of what was going on at that time, but Israel had been basically carpet bombing and blowing the out of Gaza for months.

Speaker B

And then the Israeli government told the Palestinian civilians to, to go consolidate in the southern part of Gaza, which was Rafa.

Speaker B

And so they do that.

Speaker B

The Palestinian civilians go and they go to Rafa and it's like a refugee camp there.

Speaker B

Big, huge refugee camp.

Speaker B

And then Israel starts discriminately bombing Rafa over and over and over again.

Speaker B

And I remember thinking like, okay, this is up.

Speaker B

I'm tired of watching this.

Speaker B

I want to do something.

Speaker B

And that's actually a moment in time that red pilled and woke up a lot of people for sure.

Speaker B

And so I remember thinking like, maybe I should donate or maybe I should see if there's any contracts I can go on into Gaza or something like that.

Speaker B

I wanted to do something, but I was looking into it and there was no feasible way at all to get to Gaza.

Speaker B

And there was really no way for me to get there and do anything.

Speaker B

And also at that time, I was like, in the process of moving and moving to D.C. and stuff, so I kind of put it on the back burner again.

Speaker B

And then the final point, final moment, where I was like, okay, I'm going to do something, was the beginning of this year.

Speaker B

They had the last ceasefire before.

Speaker B

This one was right at the time when Trump was.

Speaker B

He won the election.

Speaker B

And then shortly after Trump won, they had a ceasefire.

Speaker B

And I remember everybody was like, oh, my gosh, Trump ended the war before he even got into office.

Speaker B

This is amazing.

Speaker B

And people bought into that bullshit.

Speaker B

And then a couple months later, probably February, February or March, they started bombing them again, and Israel broke the ceasefire.

Speaker B

And.

Speaker B

And then at that point, I was like, okay, this.

Speaker B

I'm tired of watching this.

Speaker B

I'm tired of watching these dead babies on my phone, on Instagram and see all this, you know, gruesome genocide.

Speaker B

I'm going to do something.

Speaker B

And I didn't want to donate.

Speaker B

I didn't want to just send money somewhere.

Speaker B

So through my embassy days, I had a former mentor who now works at the embassy in Jerusalem.

Speaker B

He works for the State Department in Jerusalem.

Speaker B

And so I hit him up and I was like, hey, I'm tired of watching this.

Speaker B

And he's on board.

Speaker B

You know, he's pro Palestine, he's anti Israel.

Speaker B

He's trying to do what he can there as somebody at the embassy.

Speaker B

And so I hit him up and I'm like, I'm tired of watching this, man.

Speaker B

I want to do something.

Speaker B

Do you know of any organizations that I can go and help out there on the ground?

Speaker B

And he's like, I don't really know of much that you can do.

Speaker B

You can come and maybe, like, see what's going on, and you can document it, and you can maybe find somewhere to donate money.

Speaker B

But there's not really that many good organizations, because a lot of them will take the money and they'll siphon from the top, and a lot of the money won't actually reach the Palestinians.

Speaker B

So I was like, okay, I'm going to go and I'm just going to, like, document it and figure it out.

Speaker B

At this time, I was already running my Instagram.

Speaker B

I started my Instagram only like, a month before then, and I already had, like, 10,000 followers because it picked up quick.

Speaker B

And so I was like, okay, I've got this small platform.

Speaker B

At the very least, I will go there and Document it and expose what's actually happening.

Speaker B

And also for me, I want to see for myself.

Speaker A

You're going to be educated.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

I want to see firsthand what's actually happening.

Speaker B

Because you're hearing so many different narratives from both sides of what's going on.

Speaker A

Who even knows what's real anymore between the media AI.

Speaker B

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker A

The blatant lies that everybody.

Speaker B

Exactly.

Speaker B

Like they can push propaganda so quickly and so effectively.

Speaker A

Incredible.

Speaker B

On social media.

Speaker B

I wanted to just go and remove all of the.

Speaker B

The bickering from either side and go see for myself.

Speaker B

And so I had a friend's wedding to go to in Dubai in April.

Speaker B

So I was like, okay, I'll go to the wedding, go to Dubai, and then after that I'll hop over to Tel Aviv and then I'll go to Palestine, see what's going on.

Speaker B

So I do that, go to Dubai, go to the wedding, and then I hop over to Tel Aviv, Israel, and I get through because there was a bit of.

Speaker B

I was kind of worried that I wasn't going to be led in the country because Israel is.

Speaker B

Their borders are tight and they have surveillance everywhere.

Speaker B

I mean, even when you board a departing airport.

Speaker B

So, like, I departed from, what was it, Dubai, right?

Speaker B

And I leave from Dubai and there's a direct flight to Tel Aviv.

Speaker B

All of the places that have direct flights to Tel Aviv, at those departing airports, they have Mossad agents.

Speaker B

Oh, for sure.

Speaker B

They have Assad agents at the ticket counter.

Speaker B

And sometimes they'll ask you questions.

Speaker B

They'll ask you, what are you going there for?

Speaker B

What are you doing?

Speaker B

What's your name?

Speaker B

Where do you come from?

Speaker B

What do you do for work?

Speaker B

And they'll like, question you.

Speaker B

And I was given a debrief from the people at the embassy because they're telling me this and they're like, you know, you might be a person of interest because of your military background, you have a top secret clearance, you're, you know, kind of on social media, all this stuff.

Speaker B

So I didn't even know if I was going to get let in the country.

Speaker B

But lo and behold, I got in.

Speaker B

I actually showed up on Passover, which is the biggest Jewish holiday.

Speaker B

Yeah, I showed up during Passover, which was to my benefit, because during Passover, in Jewish law, they're not supposed to work.

Speaker B

So when I got in, there was only one lady working the immigration counter.

Speaker B

And I think she just got stuck working there on a holiday.

Speaker B

And she was just kind of letting people in.

Speaker A

Non Jew, that's working for them, something like that.

Speaker B

Day, something like that.

Speaker B

So when I went through, I had no problems.

Speaker B

Grabbed my bag, I went to my hotel in Jerusalem.

Speaker B

And that first day I met up with my friend from the embassy and he kind of walks me around and he's showing me the old city and he's showing me like all around, getting my bearings and giving me some history lessons and stuff.

Speaker B

And Jerusalem's a very cool place because the dynamic is very interesting.

Speaker B

It's thousands of years old and it's been inhabited by all three Abrahamic religions for centuries.

Speaker B

Even to this day, you still have Muslims, Christians and Jews that live in that city together.

Speaker A

And.

Speaker B

But it's very segregated.

Speaker A

They inside together.

Speaker A

I mean, in certain areas.

Speaker A

Or is there like hard lines, like gangs, like they get.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's kind of not gangs, I.

Speaker A

Don'T know, but I'm.

Speaker A

I'm just the way to describe.

Speaker B

There's hard lines.

Speaker B

It's segregated.

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah, it is segregated, for sure.

Speaker B

They have the Jewish quarters, the Palestinian quarters, the Armenian quarters and the Muslim quarters.

Speaker B

And so in the Jewish quarters, yeah, you're only pretty much going to see Jews there, but in the Palestinian quarters you'll see Christians and Muslims and they work together and they live together and they're friends.

Speaker B

And it's like Christianity and Islam kind of have this peaceful relationship there because they more align on the fact that they're Palestinians and they're living amongst the occupation of the Israelis.

Speaker B

So Christians and Palestinians.

Speaker B

I've always tell people, and I get flack for this, for saying that the relationship between Islam and Christianity, especially in Palestine, is peaceful.

Speaker B

And I've been to seven Muslim countries and I've never experienced prejudice or felt like I was in danger, spit on, spit, spit on or anything like that.

Speaker B

When I was in any Muslim country like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar, uae, Jordan, Palestine, I've never felt any danger or prejudice from them.

Speaker B

They've always been very hospitable to me, actually.

Speaker B

And so I go there and the first day, kind of get my bearings, walk around, get some lunch, and then I.

Speaker B

When I got there, I still had no plan.

Speaker B

I had nothing set in concrete of like, what I was going to do, where I was going to go, how I was going to help.

Speaker B

But my thought process was, you can't, you cannot get to Gaza.

Speaker B

At that time, it was like the peak of the, of the war, the genocide.

Speaker B

So they were bombing it every single day.

Speaker B

You couldn't get close, you couldn't get in.

Speaker B

There was nothing for me to do or see there, but I could go to The west bank, okay?

Speaker B

And the west bank is like literally bordering to Jerusalem.

Speaker B

And for context, history here in 1967, Israel, during the second Nakba, they occupied and took East Jerusalem.

Speaker B

So technically, per international law in the un, East Jerusalem is still Palestine, but it's fully occupied and run by the Israelis.

Speaker B

Same thing with the West Bank.

Speaker B

They took that too, and they occupy it completely.

Speaker B

There's really no governing body in the West Bank.

Speaker B

There's the PA or the plo, but they have almost no authority.

Speaker B

And so I get there, kind of walk around the first day, get lunch and dinner with my friend.

Speaker A

What's the vibe like?

Speaker B

It's tense, but beautiful at the same time because it's very interesting because, like, I'm a Christian.

Speaker B

At that time I wasn't like, super, like, strong practicing Christian, but I was still there visiting the Holy Land and like walking where Jesus walked.

Speaker B

And I went.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker B

It's breath.

Speaker B

Like you can't go anywhere.

Speaker B

Like, Egypt was cool and all, but this is cooler because you're walking the Bible.

Speaker A

You could roam it.

Speaker A

Yeah, you can.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

You literally walk around and like everywhere you go is like a Bible story.

Speaker B

It's really cool.

Speaker B

And you're literally walking where Jesus walked and, and like died and rose again and lived.

Speaker B

It's very cool.

Speaker A

We want to make this trip so bad.

Speaker B

You have to.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

And so I'm at the same time as I'm like trying to be there to document things, I'm taking all that in of where I'm at and I'm trying to be present and like, you know, I go to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, which is where Christ was crucified and buried.

Speaker B

I walked the Via de la Rosa, which is the path that he carried the cross.

Speaker B

I went to the Mount of Olives, I went to Garden of Gethsemane.

Speaker B

I did like, as much touristy stuff that I could with the time that I had in Jerusalem.

Speaker B

And so then the second day was when I did like my tourist day.

Speaker B

But the third day, I was supposed to be going to the west bank, but I had nothing planned or lined up.

Speaker B

And I had asked my friend if he could find me a ride or somebody at the least who could at least like, take me there because I didn't have a car.

Speaker B

And so he tried to find me a taxi driver, but that fell through late that second night.

Speaker B

And remind, Let me remind you that the third day I was supposed to go, but now it's like nine, ten o' clock at night.

Speaker B

My Second day, and I have nothing planned, nothing lined up.

Speaker B

So I'm like, okay, I'm going to go to the gym, get a workout, go get some dinner and, you know, try to figure something out in the morning.

Speaker B

So I go to the gym, get a lift, and then I go back to.

Speaker B

I walk back to the Old City.

Speaker B

The Old City is like, I think it was built in the 1500s.

Speaker B

And it's very cool because that's where you have the.

Speaker B

All the different quarters.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

So you have the Palestinian.

Speaker B

That's where East Jerusalem is.

Speaker B

And you have the Palestinian, the Armenian, the Muslim and the Jewish quarters all within the old city.

Speaker B

It's very cool.

Speaker B

So I walk back late at night to go get some dinner.

Speaker B

I go to a Lebanese place that was still open.

Speaker B

One of the only places open.

Speaker B

It's like 11 o' clock at night.

Speaker B

So I order some food, I eat my food and there's like three or four older Palestinian gentlemen there hanging out and they're just, you know, smoking and joking and talking.

Speaker B

I finish my food and then I step out into the street and I pull out my phone.

Speaker B

I'm like, okay, you know, I'll just go back to my hotel.

Speaker B

I'll sleep, try to wake up early and figure something out in the morning.

Speaker B

And as I'm typing in my hotel address to walk back, one of the older Palestinian gentlemen taps me on the shoulder and I turn around and he's just, he's smoking a cigarette and he just chops it up with me.

Speaker B

He's just talking, you know, like they are very hospitable, very outgoing and nice.

Speaker B

And he's asking me like, oh, where are you from?

Speaker B

What are you doing here?

Speaker B

Is this your first time?

Speaker B

What else are you doing on your trip?

Speaker B

All that stuff.

Speaker B

And mind you, like, I have kind of like a mindset of counter intelligence or like.

Speaker B

Yeah, like counter intel while I'm there.

Speaker B

Because I know when you enter the country, they're watching everything.

Speaker B

Everything they have.

Speaker B

I think it's called the Pegasus system, I believe.

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

Or is that the rockets?

Speaker B

No, that's Iron Dome.

Speaker A

I know, but there was something that attached.

Speaker A

Okay, you might be.

Speaker A

I know.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Essentially, big brother watching eye in the sky.

Speaker A

Yes, you're right.

Speaker B

They have your phone.

Speaker B

Once you step foot in that border, your phone is theirs.

Speaker B

Everything is theirs.

Speaker B

Unless you maybe have like an encrypted, like WhatsApp or Signal chat, but they can still get into it.

Speaker B

So I know this.

Speaker B

And I also know because I've been debriefed before I go there, that some of the Palestinians have been coerced into basically being informants for the Israelis.

Speaker B

And they'll do this by saying, if you don't give us information, we'll close down your business, we'll arrest you.

Speaker B

So they're kind of forcing their hand into being like informants on the ground.

Speaker A

It's a big mafia.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

And so I know this in my mind as I'm talking to the older Palestinian gentleman, I'm like, okay, I can't really trust him, so I'm going to tread lightly with what I tell him.

Speaker B

But we talk for a while and then he tells me his background and he's like, yeah, I worked for the UN for 30 years and I did all of this.

Speaker B

And he starts talking about the genocide and he starts opening up and I kind of realized that maybe I can trust him a little more.

Speaker B

So I told him.

Speaker B

I was like, well, what I have planned next is tomorrow actually, I was going to go to the west bank, you know, because I'm an American tourist and like, I want to see what's going on.

Speaker B

I've never been there.

Speaker B

And we hear all this stuff in the news in America, so I'm being like vague and stuff still.

Speaker B

And then he goes, oh, I think my son in law, he might be available.

Speaker B

He takes people to the west bank.

Speaker B

And so he pulls out his phone, calls his son in law, they start blabbering in Arabic for like five minutes.

Speaker B

He hangs up.

Speaker B

And then he goes, okay, follow me.

Speaker B

And so I follow him down like two blocks and we go down this alleyway and his son in law is standing in the middle of the alleyway waiting to meet me at like 11:30 at night.

Speaker B

He introduces me, we introduce the old man, goes home.

Speaker B

And then that guy invites me into his house and I go up like 11:30 at night, old city of Jerusalem, into this Christian Palestinian guy's house.

Speaker B

And we start talking.

Speaker B

He gives me tea, I meet his family, his dogs are hanging out.

Speaker B

We're just sitting in his living room, like visiting and talking.

Speaker B

And he's like, okay, so what do you want to do?

Speaker B

Do you, you want to go to the West Bank?

Speaker B

And I'm like, yeah, I want to go.

Speaker B

I'm a Christian American tourist.

Speaker B

I want to go visit all the holy sites and all that stuff.

Speaker B

And then again, like, and I have this preset in my mind to not trust people.

Speaker B

But he starts, you know, warming up and then I tell him, like, but I also want to go and see, like, what's going on because we get all this news back in America.

Speaker B

I want to see the truth.

Speaker B

And he kind of like leans forward and he gets it and he tells me, I can take you and I can show you the truth is that the moment, that's the moment he clicked in him and in me.

Speaker B

And so then I was like, yeah, basically, like, I unloaded and I was like, I want to go and I want to see and I want to talk to Palestinians.

Speaker B

And I, you know, I said, if you're comfortable with it, I want you to take me to like the roughest parts.

Speaker B

I really want to see what's going on for sure.

Speaker B

And he was down to clown.

Speaker B

He was down to go.

Speaker B

Because this, this guy, he goes to the west bank almost every day tourist wise.

Speaker B

Tourist wise.

Speaker A

He is he just taking tourist tour.

Speaker B

Like sometimes that's his, that's kind of his side business.

Speaker B

But he goes to help out people.

Speaker B

Oh, he's been doing this for decades.

Speaker B

Because the way it works is the Palestinians in the west bank can't leave.

Speaker B

It really, really is an open air prison.

Speaker B

They cannot leave the West Bank.

Speaker B

And so he can go to and from, so he can take the money, he can take them supplies, he can take them food or whatever they need.

Speaker B

And so that's just what he does.

Speaker B

And I didn't know that at the time, but he, that night when I went back to my hotel, he set up nine meetups with nine different families in the west bank for us to go visit and talk to and get their stories.

Speaker B

And so I wake up early that next morning at like 7.

Speaker B

He comes with his car and picks me up.

Speaker B

We go straight to the West Bank.

Speaker B

Once you cross over into the west bank from Jerusalem, you are going into another country.

Speaker B

But it almost doesn't feel like it because it's, it is occupied by the Israeli government and the Israeli military.

Speaker B

100 checkpoints and all those 702 checkpoints in the West Bank.

Speaker B

Last time I remember, Holy.

Speaker B

And if you know the Holy Land, the entirety of the Holy Land is the size of New Jersey.

Speaker B

The west bank is a tiny little chunk of that.

Speaker B

So to have 702 checkpoints in the west bank is insane.

Speaker A

Why?

Speaker B

They're checking vehicles.

Speaker B

They're, they're, they will cordon off and they have fences and walls, barbed wire fences around entire villages and neighborhoods.

Speaker B

And they'll close the gates and literally leave them in their town for days at a time.

Speaker B

If they don't want to, like man the checkpoint, they'll just lock them in their gates.

Speaker B

In their neighborhoods.

Speaker B

I have videos of this.

Speaker B

I have pictures.

Speaker B

We visited some of these refugee camps.

Speaker B

Refugee camps.

Speaker B

Because what happens is there's like over 700 Israeli settlers illegally occupying and living in the west bank right now.

Speaker B

And there's more and more coming every single month.

Speaker B

But these illegal Israeli settlers are occupying foreign territory.

Speaker B

The west bank is Palestine, internationally recognized as Palestine.

Speaker B

And the Israelis have been told that they are not allowed to do this, but they do it anyway.

Speaker B

And they can get away with it.

Speaker B

They can get away with anything they want to do.

Speaker B

So there's like 700 and some thousand Israelis illegally occupying the West Bank.

Speaker B

But what they have to do is they have to bulldoze, demolish Palestinian towns and villages to build atop them, nicer neighborhoods and nicer villages and towns.

Speaker B

And so we would be driving through and my guide would be pointing out, okay, that's a Palestinian village over there.

Speaker B

That's an Israeli settlement over there.

Speaker B

And you could see the clear difference.

Speaker B

It was like a slum hole with a barbed wire fence around it and like brick mortar buildings and then a nice barber shop, grocery store, gas station.

Speaker B

Nice little town for the Israelis.

Speaker A

I feel like we're funding this.

Speaker B

Oh, we are.

Speaker B

We are.

Speaker B

I can get into that too, because.

Speaker B

So the first place we went was a.

Speaker B

Was a place called Shiloh.

Speaker B

It's actually very cool because Shiloh is the place where the tabernacle was in the Ark of the Covenant.

Speaker B

It's very cool.

Speaker B

But that is also very important to the Jewish people in the modern day Jewish religion.

Speaker B

So they occupy and run that historical site.

Speaker B

So we go there, and that was like a tourist historical site that he wanted to show me.

Speaker B

And you can see, like old ruins of Byzantine era churches.

Speaker B

It's very cool.

Speaker B

And then you can see the actual site, the plot of ground where the tabernacle was.

Speaker B

So we went there.

Speaker B

That was all run by Israelis.

Speaker B

But the interesting thing about when we were there is I saw two Israeli fathers and husbands.

Speaker B

They were with their family in civilian attire in the West Bank.

Speaker B

Settlers illegally occupying the West bank.

Speaker B

And they had M4 slung just in civies with the M4 con one slung around their shoulder.

Speaker B

And you see that in.

Speaker B

In Jerusalem too.

Speaker B

Like, the Israelis are allowed to carry and bear arms.

Speaker B

The Palestinians are not.

Speaker B

And so you will literally see, just you'll be walking around Jerusalem and you'll see a random guy in civvies with M4.

Speaker B

Guess who pays for those M4s?

Speaker A

We do.

Speaker B

We do.

Speaker B

Because I asked my friend at the embassy.

Speaker B

I told him about it when I came back later that night, and he told me that essentially what happened was during Biden's administration, we gave them a bunch of weapons during the war, at the beginning of the war.

Speaker B

And These weapons, these M4S rifles, were said to be used for the IDF, for the war.

Speaker A

And they just handed them out, but.

Speaker B

They had so many that Ben Gavir, the security administer, who's a crazy far right, far radical, like genocidal maniac Zionist, he decided to take those rifles and hand them out to the Israeli settlers in the west bank who are illegally occupying a foreign country.

Speaker A

Protect themselves.

Speaker B

Protect them.

Speaker B

And so what happened was he put this on the media.

Speaker B

It was like a big thing in the Israeli news.

Speaker B

He was standing there on camera handing out rifles and smiling and stuff in the West Bank.

Speaker B

And actually Biden put sanctions on them after that.

Speaker B

When Trump got in, he.

Speaker B

He lifted the sanctions, and now they get more rifles.

Speaker B

So we fund.

Speaker B

We actually fund the Israeli settlers and we give them their weapons in the West Bank.

Speaker B

And the crazy thing on top of that is these same settlers have killed American citizens.

Speaker B

Those rifles that those American citizens paid for with their fucking tax dollars.

Speaker A

Make it make sense, my dude.

Speaker A

Make it make sense.

Speaker B

Three days before I showed up, there were three boys, teenage boys, 13 to 14 years old, that were shot.

Speaker B

Two of them were killed.

Speaker B

Two of them were American Palestinians, and one of them was just a Palestinian.

Speaker B

So, like, Palestinian Americans will go back and visit family and stuff.

Speaker B

It's very common.

Speaker B

And so these two American Palestinian boys were just back there visiting their aunts and uncles, and that was their cousin.

Speaker B

So the story of what went down was essentially the report that the US Embassy got was that these boys were throwing rocks and endangering civilians, which is usually the scapegoats that they'll say when they want to just shoot Palestinians for fun.

Speaker B

They're throwing rocks, endangering civilians.

Speaker B

So we had to open up on them.

Speaker B

They unloaded three mags on these boys, three mags who were throwing rocks.

Speaker B

And this was like in a secluded part.

Speaker B

Like they were just by a road.

Speaker A

Pile of rubble, field.

Speaker B

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker B

And so apparently they were throwing rocks at cars on the highway, and they had to be opened up on with three mags.

Speaker B

And they shot these two American boys.

Speaker B

They killed one on site.

Speaker B

They shot him like five times.

Speaker B

He's dead on site.

Speaker B

The other American boy had to go to the hospital.

Speaker B

Last time I knew he was in critical condition, but his injuries were.

Speaker B

He got shot in.

Speaker B

In the lower abdomen, ruptured his spleen.

Speaker B

He got shot in the thigh.

Speaker B

He got shot in the upper shoulder, and he got shot in the groin.

Speaker B

And it basically castrated him.

Speaker B

That was an American boy, American citizen, American passport, and he was shot with a rifle that his parents paid for with their tax dollars.

Speaker A

And here we are.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

And our government won't do anything to stop it or hold them accountable.

Speaker A

Like, I mean, we all know why, because they own us.

Speaker A

But, like, how has it gotten this bad?

Speaker A

How is it this ridiculous that they're deleting anybody with a voice on this to hush this?

Speaker A

Like, when in history have the good guys silenced anybody?

Speaker A

When in.

Speaker A

Like, when in history have the.

Speaker A

If the people that are doing the right thing are doing everything they can to silence.

Speaker A

Every single voice is speaking against them.

Speaker B

And the crazy thing is that's not an isolated incident at all, man.

Speaker B

Many Americans have been shot and killed there.

Speaker B

Mainly Palestinian Americans, because, listen, if they shoot me.

Speaker A

Away with it.

Speaker B

If they shoot me a white American Marine Corps veteran with a TS clearance, all that stuff, it might be a headline story.

Speaker B

But if they shoot some little brown kid who's American, who gives a.

Speaker B

That's their opinion.

Speaker B

And so there's, like, over.

Speaker B

There's thousands of American prisoners in Israeli prison right now for stuff like throwing rocks or taking pictures of military vehicles or flying a Palestinian flag.

Speaker B

They can't fly their own flags in their own country.

Speaker B

When you drive around all the main roads and the highways, the roads are littered with.

Speaker B

With Israeli flags.

Speaker B

This is in a foreign country.

Speaker B

That's like Mexicans coming to America, occupying us and then flying a bunch of Mexican flags and arresting us.

Speaker B

If we prop up an American flag in our own country, for sure that's what they're doing.

Speaker B

So there's thousands of American prisoners of war essentially still there, and we can't get them out because Israel won't let them out.

Speaker B

And our Congress won't pressure them.

Speaker B

The embassy won't pressure them that much.

Speaker B

They might.

Speaker B

You know, some people from the political office are like, my friends there are trying to do what they can.

Speaker B

But, like, the ambassador, Mike Huckaby does not care.

Speaker B

He's super pro.

Speaker B

Pro Israel, pro Zionist.

Speaker A

Taking that APAC money.

Speaker B

Exactly.

Speaker B

So that was like, day one.

Speaker B

That was like my introduction.

Speaker A

That's day one.

Speaker B

That's day one.

Speaker B

But I mean, there's more that happened on day one because we.

Speaker B

After we left Shiloh, we went to a couple towns, Nablos and Janine, which are some of the worst towns.

Speaker B

And we met up with a guy, I think, in Nablus.

Speaker B

He was A Palestinian that lived there and he's a Orthodox Christian, lives in Nablus.

Speaker B

We met up with him and then we went and visited.

Speaker B

I think that day we visited six families.

Speaker B

So we went and visited with six different Palestinian families, both Muslim and Christians, all throughout the West Bank.

Speaker B

And we just went and like we dropped off some food and money when we went, but then we would just sit and visit because I told my, my guide, who, by the way, there's this guy, this Palestinian guy who helped me out.

Speaker B

I'm like this with him, like very close friends to this day.

Speaker B

And I have a fundraiser for the west bank that he helps me run.

Speaker B

He's like the, the guy on the ground that distributes the aid that I send.

Speaker B

So very close with him, very good friend.

Speaker B

But anyways, so he takes me to all the people's houses and some of them speak a little English, but he's kind of translating Arabic and English.

Speaker B

And I'm just like visiting and talking with them and getting their stories and figuring out what life is like in the West Bank.

Speaker B

What's life like living amongst Christians and Muslims?

Speaker B

What is life like living in the west bank under Israeli occupation?

Speaker B

I'm just getting all their stories and they all kind of correlate.

Speaker B

They're all kind of the same story.

Speaker B

One of the biggest, like the problem that was congruent through all the families is the lack of work or no work, like no income.

Speaker A

Trapped.

Speaker B

They're trapped.

Speaker B

They can't leave.

Speaker A

There's nothing to work on.

Speaker B

I mean, there's nothing to work on.

Speaker B

I mean, some of these guys and in these households you would have like all the kids, no matter the age, the parents, grandparents, cousins, like extended families all living under one roof because they need to combine resources just to survive.

Speaker B

It's a dystopian world over there.

Speaker B

100 and for example, like I would meet some guys that had backgrounds in like construction or like some sort of blue collar job expertise, but they couldn't work because it's illegal.

Speaker B

Like they can't get building licenses, they cannot get a permit to, they can't get a permit to build in their own country because they have to get it from Israel.

Speaker B

And Israel doesn't want them to build because Israel wants them to be pushed out so that they can occupy it.

Speaker A

What's the big push?

Speaker A

Why at the end of the day, why is Israel trying to just that little strip?

Speaker A

What, what is, what, why is this such a force and such a push and such a focus for Israel to have that little strip?

Speaker B

It's a long answer, to be honest.

Speaker A

Okay, Cliff note.

Speaker A

Elevator pitch, I guess.

Speaker B

Sure.

Speaker B

So they have an agenda for what's called Greater Israel?

Speaker A

Yep.

Speaker B

Some people, not so much anymore.

Speaker B

But it has been known as a conspiracy theory.

Speaker B

But people from the Likud Party, Netanyahu, Ben gvir, people from his party, they talk about it openly.

Speaker B

Yeah, Zionists, they talk about Greater Israel all the time.

Speaker B

Essentially, what Greater Israel is, is the Jewish people globally want their homeland, their homeland back.

Speaker B

This all ties back into the Jewish prophecy of the, of the coming of their Messiah, which is actually the Christian Antichrist.

Speaker B

But what they want, what they want is all of Gaza, all of the West Bank.

Speaker B

And the reason that they basically nuked Gaza is because the Gazans have no ability to rebuild.

Speaker B

So now they're going to have to let people come back in and rebuild their stuff.

Speaker B

But when they do that, they forfeit their land.

Speaker B

So they either have to live in rubble and try to rebuild rubble with no money and no resources, or they have to let foreign people come in and rebuild and occupy their land.

Speaker B

So Gaza is screwed.

Speaker B

The west bank they're trying to annex, they've been voting on it.

Speaker B

They're trying to annex it.

Speaker B

Sometimes the UN votes on it.

Speaker B

The US always vetoes it because the, the US will allow them to annex it.

Speaker B

The US will allow them to push further into the West Bank.

Speaker B

But the pro, the, the, the idea, the big plan, the big scheme is to build Greater Israel, which goes further past the Holy Land.

Speaker B

Today it goes all the way into Jordan and Lebanon for sure.

Speaker B

Also parts of Egypt.

Speaker B

This is a very big plan that they have.

Speaker B

The reason they want Greater Israel, it goes very deep, but they want all of the Jewish people globally to consolidate back into Israel, the Holy Land, and they need all of Greater Israel to do that.

Speaker B

This is actually a theory of mine as to why they're allowing people like me and other influencers to speak about what's going on.

Speaker B

This is why they're allowing videos and pictures from Gaza to come out.

Speaker B

Why, why are they live streaming a genocide?

Speaker B

If they wanted to genocide the Palestinians, they could poison their water supply.

Speaker B

They could, they could slaughter them overnight if they really wanted to and just take it.

Speaker B

Why are they live streaming it?

Speaker B

Because they want to ramp up and build up a global anti Semitism scheme and mainstream narrative so that Jews worldwide think to themselves, in Europe, in Asia, in the Middle east and in America, oh, there's so much anti Semitism going on.

Speaker B

I think I need to go back to my homeland to be safe.

Speaker B

And that's going to bring a mass migration back to Israel.

Speaker B

Also.

Speaker B

They want to push and propagate this anti Semitism narrative so that people will support that mass migration because they might say, oh, Jews are not safe anywhere else.

Speaker B

They need to go back to their homeland.

Speaker B

And they're bombing Lebanon.

Speaker B

They're bombing Lebanon almost daily.

Speaker B

So this is their, their whole grand scheme is to prop up and build up and basically fabricate a global sense of anti Semitism to make people want to go back and to get the global perspective to accept it, to say, yeah, it's probably not safe for them here in America, they should probably go back.

Speaker B

And then also to occupy more land so they have land for those people.

Speaker B

Because essentially all of the Jewish people need to consolidate back into the Holy land.

Speaker B

There's a couple more prophecies, Jewish prophecies that need to be fulfilled in order for their Messiah to come and save them and basically enslave the goyim or the gentiles.

Speaker B

This is in the Talmud.

Speaker B

What.

Speaker A

Which is what we are.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker B

If you're a non Jew, you're.

Speaker B

You're a gentile.

Speaker B

And so what they need is they need Greater Israel.

Speaker B

They need all of west bank, all of Gaza.

Speaker B

Continue consolidating, building Greater Israel.

Speaker B

What they also need is they need five red heifers.

Speaker B

This is a prophecy.

Speaker A

Which they just did, right?

Speaker A

The burn.

Speaker A

Didn't they just do this recently?

Speaker B

Yeah, they've, they, they've bought a couple.

Speaker B

I think they have three.

Speaker B

It's very weird.

Speaker B

They got them from Texas and they paid like $500,000 per cow.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker A

This is a whole.

Speaker A

I don't even think this, our audience is ready for that.

Speaker A

But I'm with you.

Speaker A

I've been tracking this.

Speaker A

I thought they just.

Speaker B

It sounds crazy, but it's actually happening.

Speaker B

It sounds, it sounds like we're tinfoil hat wearing psychos.

Speaker A

We should go get some tin hat for the rest of this conversation and just wrap our heads in it.

Speaker A

But yeah, I just, I just.

Speaker A

About a month ago, two months ago, was digging into the red heifers and they have three out of the five.

Speaker A

They have.

Speaker B

I think it was three.

Speaker A

And they gotta burn them, correct?

Speaker B

Yeah, they have to like burn them.

Speaker B

And then.

Speaker B

Actually, do you know Myron Gaines?

Speaker A

No.

Speaker B

Okay, but your audience probably knows who he is.

Speaker B

I had him on my podcast, my YouTube dude, right?

Speaker B

Muslim American.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

Yeah, I don't know him personally, but yeah, I know him.

Speaker B

Yeah, very like voice burst, hyperbolic character.

Speaker B

Anyways, I did an interview with him like a month ago.

Speaker B

And he was telling me that on the Tim Pool podcast, somebody actually brought some of the ashes from one of those red heifers.

Speaker B

So, yeah, they have to, like, burn them or they have.

Speaker B

Have to have, I believe, five, but they have, like, three already.

Speaker B

They're essentially trying to fabricate and expedite prophecy to bring back or to bring the coming of their Messiah, which a.

Speaker A

Lot of people say is Trump or Jared Kushner.

Speaker A

Okay, okay.

Speaker B

That one's been circulating since Trump's first term.

Speaker B

Yeah, Jared, I don't know about that.

Speaker B

I haven't looked into that.

Speaker B

But what they also need is they need to destroy Al Aqsa Mosque, which is the Dome of the Rock, which is in Jerusalem, which is the holy site for the Muslims, which is where they think Abraham was about to sacrifice Ishmael in the Bible.

Speaker B

He was going to sacrifice Isaac, but the Muslims kind of twisted the narrative and say it was Ishmael.

Speaker B

But anyways, this is one of the most holy sites in all of Islam.

Speaker A

They're gonna.

Speaker B

They need to destroy that 100.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker B

It will happen probably in my lifetime, to be honest.

Speaker B

They're actually.

Speaker B

I've heard stories about them, like hollowing out the bottom of the mosque so that it will collapse on itself also.

Speaker B

That is a part of the Muslim quarters.

Speaker B

But where the mosque is is literally on the other side of the Western Wall, the Wailing Wall.

Speaker B

So when you go to the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, you stand there and you see this big wall where all.

Speaker A

Our politicians go and.

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

And sell their soul.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

Essentially where they sign the deal with the devil.

Speaker B

Right there.

Speaker B

But if you look over it, that's where Al Aqsa Mosque is.

Speaker B

No, that's where they need to build a temple, because that's where they think the second temple was destroyed.

Speaker B

They need to.

Speaker B

They need to rebuild that plot of land.

Speaker B

But that plot of land is occupied by Alaka Mosque right now.

Speaker B

So Interesting.

Speaker B

That mosque has to be destroyed.

Speaker B

In their minds, the Muslims are not just going to give it up.

Speaker A

Oh, hell no.

Speaker B

So that prophecy has to be fulfilled.

Speaker B

A couple others that I'm forgetting right now.

Speaker B

But they need all of these things to be fulfilled.

Speaker B

So they're trying to fabricate it and bring about their Messiah or our Antichrist.

Speaker B

Crazy thing is, Christian Zionists are supporting this.

Speaker A

Okay, this is the craziest part to me now.

Speaker A

Let me rephrase that.

Speaker A

There's a lot which I'm sure you.

Speaker A

You're years ahead of me on this trail.

Speaker A

The fact that we have Christians knowingly that Israel is paying money to push an agenda through Christian churches.

Speaker A

The lists have come out.

Speaker A

I'm sure you've seen these, these churches.

Speaker B

Here in the tracking of phones at churches here in America to push a.

Speaker A

Propaganda and push an agenda in these Christian churches.

Speaker A

And the fact that these people know this and that there's pastors standing on stage saying that we need to stand arm in arm with Israel as they slaughter women and children.

Speaker A

I don't care what is going on.

Speaker A

Like how as us as Christians support that and how do we feel like how are we supposed to sit here and be like, oh yeah, this is the right way?

Speaker B

Well, you have to understand the psychology behind Christian Zionists.

Speaker B

And this is where I've received a lot of backlash from the pro Palestinian movement because I talk too much about Judaism.

Speaker B

This is seen as controversial.

Speaker B

But here's my thing.

Speaker B

It's like if you want Palestine to be free, you need to stop trying to put band aids on massive hemorrhaging and attack the root issue.

Speaker A

Absolutely.

Speaker B

And so one of the biggest propagators and funders of Israel and supporters is the Christian Zionists here in the West.

Speaker A

How, how are we supporting that?

Speaker B

Oh, there's multiple huge organizations, Christian Zionist organizations that collect and donate billions of dollars for Israel on top of everything else that our government gives them.

Speaker B

Also just the support of the people.

Speaker B

We're, you know, those people are going to vote for a politician that is pro Israel and so they have the mainstream, I mean it's, the pendulum is swinging.

Speaker B

But they've always had the mainstream support of the Christians in America.

Speaker B

And so if those people don't go away or if they don't change their mindset on this, that's going to continue.

Speaker B

That's never going to go away.

Speaker B

They're going to get that support.

Speaker B

They're going to, we're going to prop up politicians that support Israel.

Speaker B

They're going to keep funding them.

Speaker A

Massive shift right now there is a massive shift which is great.

Speaker A

We need the shift because for a million reasons, not only just the horrific genocide that's happening over there, but the control of our own country.

Speaker A

And if we do not get this un unfucked quick, we are, I feel we're beyond as it is.

Speaker B

Oh yeah.

Speaker A

I don't know how we recover from where we're at because the, these, the, the Israel is so rooted into everything in our country.

Speaker A

They have their little just vile hands in everything.

Speaker A

It's like how do we, how do we move forward with that?

Speaker A

How do we push forward where Christians are Waking up.

Speaker A

Obviously, there's a.

Speaker A

Like you said, the pendulum, swift.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

Shift is massive.

Speaker A

But it's going to take another generation.

Speaker A

It's going to take the boomers completely gone.

Speaker A

The millennials, my era were waking up to it.

Speaker A

And this is kind of goes full circle back to why I wanted to have you on this conversation is it's going to come down to the beginning of your.

Speaker A

Your guys's generation is going to start this crusade.

Speaker B

Yeah, I talk about that a lot.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

So, I mean, if you got more.

Speaker A

I want to.

Speaker A

I don't want to skip over anything that you're.

Speaker A

You're going into, but, like, this is just how I feel.

Speaker A

It's like, where do we go from here?

Speaker A

And we can't trust any politician.

Speaker A

There's.

Speaker A

They're completely bought.

Speaker B

No, we'll never vote our way out of this trip.

Speaker A

I don't even want to say what I have to say.

Speaker A

But our politicians are bought.

Speaker A

We can't trust anybody anymore.

Speaker A

There's no left.

Speaker A

There's no right.

Speaker A

It's just Israel that owns our government.

Speaker A

So the fact that, like, once you hit that phase of your life where now you can look.

Speaker A

You can look at the left in the right fighting from.

Speaker A

I don't want to say like a pedestal, but I now, because, dude, I'll.

Speaker A

I'll be the first to admit it.

Speaker A

I voted for Trump.

Speaker A

When I say lesser to evil, I hate saying that because now when I look at them, like, holy fuck, there's.

Speaker A

It's all evil.

Speaker A

So it's like, where do we go from here?

Speaker A

Who?

Speaker A

J.D.

Speaker A

vance.

Speaker A

He's.

Speaker B

He's worse.

Speaker B

He'll be worse.

Speaker A

And so this is where, like, where do we.

Speaker A

Because people, you know, they reach out to me, like, dude, who do we vote for?

Speaker A

I don't know.

Speaker A

Like, I don't know.

Speaker A

Because as long as they're taking.

Speaker A

How do we vote?

Speaker A

Do we need to start just going back to an uprising where us as the.

Speaker A

The people, we.

Speaker A

The people take our country back and we have to physically start removing these people?

Speaker B

Yeah, I mean, I've thought about that.

Speaker B

I don't think it's.

Speaker B

I don't think it needs to.

Speaker B

I don't think it has to.

Speaker B

I don't think it will want it to.

Speaker A

I mean, I'll do it, I think.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

I don't think really anyone wants it to get to that point.

Speaker B

And I don't think that's going to solve the problem.

Speaker A

Voted out.

Speaker A

What's our other option?

Speaker B

They're so.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

If you can imagine.

Speaker B

If Any group, like if a militia group here in America tried to take up arms and like have a siege on the Capitol or something like January 6th.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

The propaganda campaign that would come out out of that, they would be done in a month for sure.

Speaker B

It would be squashed right there and then that would be the one thing to justify global or nationwide super surveillance.

Speaker B

Super surveillance.

Speaker B

That would give them the go ahead.

Speaker B

They're already doing it.

Speaker B

Yes, they are.

Speaker B

But that would further justify this technocratic oligarchy system of like Palantir being all in our business.

Speaker B

And it would essentially be another patriot act times 10.

Speaker B

So that probably should.

Speaker B

That definitely should not happen.

Speaker B

That could even be like a false flag thing that might be leveraged.

Speaker B

I'm not saying it is, but like, I'm just saying that's not where we need to go.

Speaker B

My whole thing is like.

Speaker B

And I talked about this a couple nights ago on the last pod that I was on, but I asked the two guys that I was with, and they're both very smart on this topic.

Speaker B

I was like, I asked them essentially the same question, is like, where do you think we go?

Speaker B

How do you think we solve this?

Speaker B

Because we're not going to vote our way out of it.

Speaker B

It.

Speaker B

And to be honest, both of those guys, they, their answers were almost like, I think we're just too far gone and we basically have to survive as long as we can on the sinking ship.

Speaker B

Whereas my answer was different.

Speaker A

We gotta fight to the end.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

My answer was, for the first time ever, we're seeing a mainstream narrative shift.

Speaker B

The pendulum has swung.

Speaker B

And now my generation has been fed up with the, and all of the shitstorm coming down from the boomers, Gen X and the beginning of millennials because they dropped the ball.

Speaker B

They allowed Israel to occupy us far too much.

Speaker B

They propagated wars in the Middle east that destabilized the Middle east and opened up the borders here in America.

Speaker B

All this destabilization of America, all of this debt that we're going into, and now who has to deal with that mess?

Speaker B

Me, her, and our generation.

Speaker B

And we're sick of it.

Speaker B

And here's the thing.

Speaker B

I don't care what I say, I don't care what people don't like that comes out of my mouth, because you are gonna die and I'm gonna have to deal with the shitstorm that you gave me.

Speaker B

So what my I'm not going to do is allow myself to be complicit and have my kids and my grandchildren deal with the same up mess that you gave me.

Speaker B

That's my, that's my position on this.

Speaker B

And I see for the first time in a very long time, since probably the 1930s or 40s, a mainstream big shift in the narrative where people are actually waking up.

Speaker B

So we're not going to vote our way out of this mess.

Speaker B

Okay.

Speaker B

We can wait until Gen Z is of course, you know, voting age or like the age to run for president or Congress or whatever.

Speaker B

But I still don't think that's going to fix it.

Speaker B

What we need to do is play the same game that they've been playing for centuries.

Speaker B

And we need to prop ourselves up in positions of power in, in politics and finance, in the education industry, in the entertainment industry, in the media, in the oligarchy circles, the technocratic circles, all of these spheres.

Speaker B

We need to fill those gaps and take back those positions of power.

Speaker B

That's how we change it.

Speaker B

But is that going to change?

Speaker B

And what extent is that going to change?

Speaker B

I don't know.

Speaker B

When is it going to change?

Speaker B

I don't know.

Speaker B

But as a Christian, I do recognize that there is end time prophecy.

Speaker B

I think I know that Christ will return.

Speaker B

And before he returns, the world's going to be a very ugly place.

Speaker B

I don't know if that's where we're headed and that's just what's left for the world.

Speaker B

But I'll be damned if I'm not going to try and do something with, with my life.

Speaker B

That's where I stand for sure.

Speaker A

Good for you for that.

Speaker A

And that's where I'm at.

Speaker A

It's like, okay, like, I'm not going to just say, be like, well, they own us.

Speaker A

This is it.

Speaker A

I guess this is our future.

Speaker A

That, bro, I didn't defend this country.

Speaker A

I didn't, I didn't.

Speaker A

I'm not doing everything I can to raise kids to just roll over because, well, they own us.

Speaker A

It's our politicians.

Speaker A

It's like.

Speaker A

And that's where my mind kind of goes.

Speaker A

Like, obviously at the end of the day, like, nobody wants bloodshed because it's, it's a horrible thing.

Speaker A

But it's like, is it going to come to that where we as an American society, we come together and realize our politicians are raping us on everything.

Speaker A

They're, they're sitting here, the fact, literally raping us.

Speaker A

The Epstein files, literally raping and using our children for anything that they want.

Speaker A

Explain to me that we're sitting here voting for politicians.

Speaker A

But meanwhile, the United States were the number one consumer and producer of child pornography.

Speaker A

And child trafficking.

Speaker A

And you're telling me this is the greatest country in the world.

Speaker A

Get out of here, bro.

Speaker A

Where our politicians bend the knee, they kiss the wall.

Speaker A

We're using children for leverage on everything.

Speaker A

It's like, when are we going to wake up as a country?

Speaker A

Be like, you're done, you're out of office.

Speaker A

I think it was with the Philippines or who was it recently just had like this huge coup.

Speaker A

They're beating politicians in the street and dragging Nepal.

Speaker A

Yeah, okay.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So Nepal.

Speaker A

I mean, it's like, is that what it's going to have to come to here?

Speaker A

Where you're gonna be like, okay, here's my resume.

Speaker A

I've never been on only fans.

Speaker A

I don't take money from apac.

Speaker A

Like, you gotta.

Speaker A

Like, yeah, we trust you.

Speaker A

Is it going to be Dan Bulzerian that has a voice that doesn't give a.

Speaker A

That he's gonna have to do it because we know that he's not gonna take money from anybody.

Speaker A

Like, is that.

Speaker A

Yeah, I'm boys with Dan, so I'm not.

Speaker A

There's not.

Speaker A

It's not a knock at Dan.

Speaker A

Dan and I go back years, but, like.

Speaker B

Oh, really?

Speaker A

Oh, yeah, dude, I've done Dan.

Speaker B

Yeah, I. I met him, I mean, online, like, five, six months ago.

Speaker B

But I was.

Speaker B

I was at his place a couple months ago.

Speaker A

I do.

Speaker A

I talked to animals every day.

Speaker A

So he's.

Speaker A

He's a homie.

Speaker A

So, like.

Speaker A

And I talked to him like, bro, I got to vote for you for president because you only do.

Speaker A

I can.

Speaker A

That not going to take money and sell out, like, do.

Speaker A

Is that our future of this, of America is that we're going to start having to vote on people that we have no.

Speaker A

We just trust because they've never taken money or we.

Speaker A

Is it going to get to a point where we're ripping politicians out of their mansions as people are starving in the streets here and they're laughing at us?

Speaker A

All their insider trading, all the taxes, all the money they're getting kickback from, like, where do we go?

Speaker A

Is just like a waiting game.

Speaker A

Because as long as Israel is who they are and in control of what they are, how do we retake the media?

Speaker A

How do we retake the platforms?

Speaker A

I mean, they just bought TikTok.

Speaker A

He's a buddy of yours.

Speaker A

He just got deleted and went to jail.

Speaker A

He was a huge.

Speaker B

He's had a Kenny Ko.

Speaker A

Kenny, right?

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

They just deleted all his platforms overnight.

Speaker A

So it's like, how do we get to the point where guys can have free speech and actually talk on topics without getting filtered anymore.

Speaker A

Because now they own TikTok, they own Meta, they own everything.

Speaker A

How do we do this without bloodshed and just showing them, hey, this is America and this is who the we are.

Speaker A

We're not gonna let you own us anymore.

Speaker A

Like, that's where my mind goes, is where the generation I'm raised.

Speaker A

Because is it going to be my kids fighting in the streets for this?

Speaker A

For freedom, for true freedom.

Speaker A

We pay taxes on the money we make.

Speaker A

We mean taxes on money we set.

Speaker A

We save.

Speaker A

Sell a house, pay taxes, buy a house, pay taxes, buy a car.

Speaker A

We're taxed on everything.

Speaker A

And we went to war over what to do.

Speaker A

A 2% on tea or whatever the.

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B

We.

Speaker B

We started revolutions for way less than this.

Speaker A

And now it's like we're so imm.

Speaker B

But that's not.

Speaker B

That's not in the blood of Americans today.

Speaker B

They don't have the stomachs for that.

Speaker A

No, it's not.

Speaker B

Yeah, they're too.

Speaker A

This right here, dude.

Speaker B

We're.

Speaker A

We're comfortable.

Speaker B

That's their plan too.

Speaker B

To keep us locked into this goy slop.

Speaker B

To keep us locked into slobs.

Speaker B

Nonsense.

Speaker B

The porn industry.

Speaker B

The.

Speaker B

The.

Speaker B

The.

Speaker B

The subversion of our western society.

Speaker B

Western culture.

Speaker B

The destruction of the nuclear family.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker B

The structure.

Speaker B

Destruction of men with porn addictions and all of these things.

Speaker B

High taxes.

Speaker B

We're taxed out the ass.

Speaker B

It's hard to get a job.

Speaker B

Even if you have a job.

Speaker B

It's impossible to buy a house.

Speaker B

You don't want to have kids because everything's so expensive.

Speaker A

Where's the breaking point to where we did we just reset?

Speaker A

Where I want to be friends with my neighbors again.

Speaker A

We.

Speaker A

We have these communities.

Speaker A

Like, where's the breaking point where we just 100 year reset and we're starting over.

Speaker B

They have too strong of a grip over the propaganda campaign to have us unite.

Speaker B

I don't think the left and the right will ever unite.

Speaker A

That's the problem.

Speaker B

I just don't think that's possible because people are too sucked into the game that they have us playing.

Speaker B

You know, it's like they shake up the jar of ants and we're the ants.

Speaker B

Well, people fall for it every time.

Speaker A

They scooped one pile of ants and then they get another pile of ants and then they dump them out and they sit back and watch.

Speaker A

And that's.

Speaker A

Yeah, that's the left and the right, meanwhile.

Speaker A

But I also feel there's a huge movement right now where I used to consider myself a Republican.

Speaker A

I don't.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

Not Republican.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

I'm like.

Speaker B

I don't even know what to call myself.

Speaker B

I'm just an American.

Speaker B

American first Patriot.

Speaker A

I'm a patriot now.

Speaker A

And I. I have.

Speaker A

I'm more proud of saying that I'm not a Republican.

Speaker A

Dude.

Speaker A

I used to be one of those people.

Speaker A

Liberals.

Speaker B

Look at these.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Transgender.

Speaker A

This.

Speaker B

That's what they want you to do.

Speaker A

That's exactly.

Speaker B

It's part of the game, playing into their game.

Speaker A

It's the whole game.

Speaker A

And so now I'm looking at it, like, now you look at Mega, and I'm like, holy, bro.

Speaker A

Like.

Speaker A

Because I used to look at people and be like, oh, dude, Mega's bunch of just absolute retards.

Speaker A

Now I look at him like, correct.

Speaker A

They're just so blind on everything.

Speaker A

It's like, guys, you're fighting in the streets by a problem that was created by the same people that created you.

Speaker A

And now they're just letting you fight in the streets because as long as you're fat, dumb, and miserable, you're not going to stand up to fight the people.

Speaker A

Because us people, we have the power.

Speaker A

We have the numbers.

Speaker A

But we'll never come together because we're killing each other in the streets over somebody's political view or their opinion on a topic that doesn't even matter.

Speaker A

Cool.

Speaker A

You want to go cut your dick off and become a woman?

Speaker A

I don't give a shit.

Speaker A

Go do it.

Speaker A

But we're fighting in the streets or ice right now.

Speaker A

And all this, it's all propaganda.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's a lot of psyops.

Speaker B

And I also like personal excellence.

Speaker B

If everybody was focused on their own personal excellence and education and stop being focused on all this, like, nonsense and goy slop in their neighbor and who they voted for.

Speaker B

And is it okay to be gay or not?

Speaker B

Or is it okay to, you know, chop your dick off or something?

Speaker B

So the way I look at it is this.

Speaker B

They want people at the top that control everything.

Speaker B

They want us to be human batteries to keep their machines running, paying their taxes.

Speaker B

So pay our taxes.

Speaker B

Go to work, do your nine to five.

Speaker B

Maybe take one vacation a year.

Speaker B

Fat, lazy, out of shape, jerk off to porn a couple nights a week, rinse and repeat for the rest of your life.

Speaker B

You don't have enough time to focus on what's actually going on.

Speaker B

You're too busy watching sports or, you know, jerking off or fighting with your neighbor who's a liberal or a conservative.

Speaker B

That's what they want.

Speaker B

So to get out of that Infinite loop.

Speaker B

You have to realize, number one, I'm being used and harvested as a human battery to keep their machines running.

Speaker B

What you need to do or what I need to do is we need to have personal excellence.

Speaker B

Make yourself healthy, educate yourself, be more knowledgeable.

Speaker B

What's going on.

Speaker B

Understand your neighbor, because they're probably not that different than you.

Speaker B

Get yourself out of financial debt or financial hole, have some assets.

Speaker B

All of that is stuff that they hate.

Speaker B

They don't want us to do that.

Speaker B

They want us to have the bare minimum to keep coming back so we can pay our bills, pay taxes, have a little food each week, maybe take one vacation a year and just continue being this human battery plugged into their machine.

Speaker A

Yep, that's.

Speaker A

And once you can see that your Michaels, you're like, oh, okay, I get it now.

Speaker A

But then once you're at that level, the hard part, and that's where I'm at now, is looking at all of the people that you used to ride with and be like, no, like, please just look at it from.

Speaker A

They're both wings of the same bird.

Speaker B

Two wings of the same bird.

Speaker A

Two wings of the same bird.

Speaker A

And as long as you're fighting over Democrats and Republicans, we all hate each other because of our political.

Speaker A

It's.

Speaker A

They're run by the same person.

Speaker A

Oh, it all is like a click funnel, man.

Speaker A

And it comes in and spits out of our u. S. Government and then they just trickles from there.

Speaker A

And then you pick the person that you like the most and vote for them while they sit there and just laugh in their mansions.

Speaker A

It's like the hunger games, bro.

Speaker A

We're literally.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

And people listens to like, you're.

Speaker A

I got a great job, I got a happy family.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker B

You do what they want, but you're.

Speaker A

Complacent and you're not looking.

Speaker A

What's actually happening to our country?

Speaker A

The fact that we're paying 30 plus percent tax.

Speaker A

Yeah, literally on everything.

Speaker A

That doesn't bother you?

Speaker A

Like, the fact that people have no problem paying taxes blows my mind.

Speaker A

We're studying and we're doing everything we can right now to learn how to just.

Speaker A

Absolutely.

Speaker B

It's not patriotic.

Speaker B

Some people think it's, oh, it's patriotic to pay your taxes.

Speaker B

It's not very patriotic to pay my taxes that go to Israel to then pay for bombs to be dropped on kids in Gaza.

Speaker B

That's not very patriotic to me.

Speaker B

So, yeah, I'm going to look for every tax loophole I can as an entrepreneur.

Speaker A

If I'm paying 30, 40 taxes.

Speaker A

My streets better not have one pothole.

Speaker A

Everything better be.

Speaker B

I never see any of the benefits of my tax dollars ever.

Speaker A

That's what I'm saying.

Speaker A

Like, if, if we people who were the Trump, we're in the golden era where because you go to these foreign countries in the Middle east, even Asian.

Speaker B

Countries, we're not innovating anymore.

Speaker B

We're not building anything anymore.

Speaker B

We're not contributing to the global economy.

Speaker B

We're not contributing to nothing, bro.

Speaker A

We're just, we're sitting tribute.

Speaker B

The only thing we really contribute to is like the, the military industrial complex and weaponry and tech.

Speaker A

How I look at Americans that are fighting in the streets over conservative Democrat, all this stuff.

Speaker A

I look at it as like the, the milk cows, you know, those big revolving platforms.

Speaker A

They have them on, they just get loaded and they stick the nipple pumps on them and just until they're dry, and then they get dropped off till the next day.

Speaker A

That.

Speaker A

That is the average American right now.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Because they just go through and go to work, get fat, dumb and happy, go home, they're miserable, watching porn, doing whatever, drinking their life away, doing drugs.

Speaker A

They're all on medication, big pharma.

Speaker A

It's just.

Speaker A

And they suck all this energy, they suck your money, they suck your life out of you until you're expired, and then they just dump you out into the pasture.

Speaker A

And that's where we're like, the cycle we're in right now.

Speaker A

And it takes guys like, with you with a voice and a platform to be like, hey, get the off this revolving door or this revolving platform and go out into greener pastures and learn how to live on your own, learn how to raise a family, keep your family together.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

The fact of the getting, you look at any culture, they all live together.

Speaker A

And this is a big thing with us.

Speaker A

Homeschool.

Speaker A

We tell her, you know, she's graduating soon.

Speaker A

We tell her, you do not have to go anywhere.

Speaker A

You will contribute to the home and you will contribute to the family.

Speaker A

Doesn't make sense to just pack your bags and leave because now more taxes, more rent, your own bills, your every homestead.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

And so it's like you're just falling into the system that they've created us to just cycle, rinse, cycle repeat.

Speaker A

And that's where we're at, man.

Speaker A

And it is.

Speaker A

It's boggling to me that more.

Speaker A

I'm glad people are finally waking up, but it's.

Speaker A

We need a lot more.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

But it's not.

Speaker B

None of this is arbitrary.

Speaker B

This is all very Fabricated and orchestrated.

Speaker B

And it's been going on actually for if you really want to get into.

Speaker B

It's been going on for thousands of.

Speaker A

Years, a hundred percent.

Speaker B

So the reason I say it's been going on for thousands of years is because this is like pretty deep into the weeds.

Speaker B

A lot of people don't know this or don't understand this concept, but what we're seeing on a global scale is it's Jews versus Rome.

Speaker B

Do you understand this concept?

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker B

So where that started and we know this, even Bibby admits this.

Speaker B

So a couple days ago or I think a week ago, some reporter was walking next to Benjamin Netanyahu and he asked him a question on camera.

Speaker B

He's like, oh, Mr. Prime Minister, are you reading any books right now?

Speaker B

And he says, ah yes, I am actually it's a book called the Jews versus Rome and we lost that last one, but I think we need to win the next one.

Speaker B

What he was referring to, and this is crazy because Bibi tells people blatantly, openly what he's doing.

Speaker B

He can, he can.

Speaker B

And it goes over so many people's heads or we just don't do anything to stop him.

Speaker B

But what he meant by that, how they need to win the next war with Rome.

Speaker B

We are the modern Rome.

Speaker B

The west is the modern Rome.

Speaker B

The Christendom is the modern Rome.

Speaker B

Their battle started 2,000 years ago at the fall of Judea in 70 A.D. after the time of Christ.

Speaker B

Christ resurrected in 33 A.D. then he ascended into heaven.

Speaker B

The church was created 50, 50 days after his resurrection at the day of Pentecost.

Speaker B

And then in 70 AD the Jewish temple in Judea, the second temple was destroyed.

Speaker B

It was demolished.

Speaker B

Then Fast forward to 135 AD Emperor Hadrian, the Roman Emperor Hadrian exiled all of the Jewish people outside of Judea.

Speaker B

And that's what we know is the last great diaspora of the Jewish people outside of their promised land until 1948 when they returned.

Speaker B

But for all that 2000 year history, they were exiled and scattered throughout all of the east and the west and Northern Africa and parts of Asia Minor which would have been like Turkey and stuff, but that was the beginning of their war with Rome.

Speaker B

Now what happened to Rome after 135 AD and for 300 years their greatest enemy is these two people.

Speaker B

It's Rome and the Christians.

Speaker B

And it always has been their greatest pariah.

Speaker B

Their greatest enemy for the past 2000 years has been Christ, his followers and Rome.

Speaker B

Now in the first four centuries, almost first four centuries of the church from the first century up until 313, there was massive Christian persecution.

Speaker B

If you were Christian and they found out you were Christian in the Roman world, you would have been killed.

Speaker B

There's stories.

Speaker B

I mean, all the apostles, except for John, who was banished to the island of Patmos, every apostle was martyred and every Christian follower that they found out was Christian was martyred.

Speaker B

There's stories of 500 Christians being rounded up and taken to the Roman Coliseum and being fed to lions.

Speaker B

Now, who was propagating that persecution?

Speaker B

Yes, it was done at the hands of the Romans, just like Christ was crucified at the hands of the Romans.

Speaker B

But who wanted it?

Speaker B

The Jews.

Speaker B

The Jews wanted to kill Christ.

Speaker B

The blood of Christ is on the Jewish people's hands.

Speaker B

In the Bible, in the Gospels, it actually talks about when Pontius Pilate crucified Christ, he washed his hands and absolved himself.

Speaker B

This is in the Bible.

Speaker B

He says when they hand Christ the cross and they put the crown of thorns on his head, Pontius Pilate goes to a trough and washes his hands and he says, I am absolved.

Speaker B

My hands are clean from the blood of this man.

Speaker B

This is on you.

Speaker B

Speaking to the Jewish people, the Pharisees and Sadducees of that day, they wanted him dead.

Speaker B

They killed him.

Speaker B

Why?

Speaker B

Because he was seen as the Messiah.

Speaker B

But not to the Jews, because the Jews were under Roman occupation at that time.

Speaker B

The Romans were their longtime enemy at that time.

Speaker B

And so for them, what they thought the Messiah was going to be was essentially this knight riding in on white horse that was going to come in and slaughter the Romans and give back the Jews all.

Speaker B

All of their land.

Speaker B

Christ didn't do that.

Speaker B

He comes in on a donkey.

Speaker A

I love it.

Speaker B

And he's the Messiah for the whole world, all Jews and Gentiles alike.

Speaker B

And he tears the veil and the holy of holies.

Speaker B

And they hated that.

Speaker A

They hate every Christian because of that.

Speaker B

They had every Christian to this day.

Speaker B

And so because Christ was not their white shining horse, white savior on a white horse, they crucified him.

Speaker B

They killed him because they couldn't shut him up.

Speaker B

He was gaining traction.

Speaker B

And they said, we can't shut this guy up.

Speaker B

He's gaining too much power.

Speaker B

He's affecting us too much.

Speaker B

Let's kill him.

Speaker A

Well, and it went against everything that.

Speaker B

They believed at that time.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

It debunked them.

Speaker B

I mean, debunked them.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker A

Messiah.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And you know, the funny thing about that is the, you know, Pontius Pilate, he was crucified under Pontius Pilate.

Speaker B

But what happened?

Speaker B

Romans killed Jesus.

Speaker B

Essentially they hung him on the cross because they were pressured by the Jewish lobby.

Speaker A

The.

Speaker A

The Pharisees.

Speaker A

Yeah, the Pharisees.

Speaker B

The government at that time was pressured by the Jewish lobby to kill Christ.

Speaker A

That's where a lot of people say, oh, the, the Romans killed Christ?

Speaker A

No, technically, yes.

Speaker A

They're the ones that, the ones that spear.

Speaker B

Yeah, spear into his side.

Speaker A

But who brought him to the Romans and forced him and threw a tantrum until they listened.

Speaker B

The Pharisees, even in their Talmud, they brag about how they were the ones responsible for killing Jesus.

Speaker B

In the Talmud, they brag about that.

Speaker B

But modern day Jewish people would not want you to think that.

Speaker B

Ben Shapiro, when he was talking on Joe Rogan about Jesus, he didn't want to mention that the Jews killed him because when it goes in their favor, they don't want to be responsible for the death of Christ because they need the support of Christians.

Speaker B

But anyways, anyways, we'll fast forward, we'll rewind back to they killed Christ.

Speaker B

They wanted him dead.

Speaker B

Killed him.

Speaker B

Then he rose again three days later, and he gains more followers.

Speaker B

He becomes more popular than ever.

Speaker B

He's the most popular human in history.

Speaker B

And at that time, he's gaining massive traction, a lot of followers.

Speaker B

And the Jews are like, what the hell?

Speaker B

We just killed this guy.

Speaker B

And he's more popular than ever now.

Speaker B

So Christ ascends into heaven.

Speaker B

His apostles build the church at the point of Pentecost, 50 days after his resurrection.

Speaker B

And from there they say, we need to kill all of the followers.

Speaker B

They tried to genocide the early church.

Speaker B

They tried as hard as they could to genocide the early Christians.

Speaker B

And even St. Paul.

Speaker B

The apostle Paul was a Pharisee who was.

Speaker B

He was one of the worst of persecutors of Christians.

Speaker B

And then on the road to Damascus, he had the vision from Christ and converted to Christianity and then became the greatest evangelist of all of Christian history.

Speaker A

Paul murdered thousands, wasn't it?

Speaker A

Thousands of Christians?

Speaker B

I mean, if, let's see, what was Paul doing?

Speaker B

Paul didn't actually take the sword to their throat.

Speaker B

What he did was the Jews, at that time, they were out headhunting Christians.

Speaker B

So they would go and find pockets of Christians and essentially like snitch on them to the Romans.

Speaker B

Because at that time the Romans were still, you know, practicing pagan rituals.

Speaker B

And also the emperor of Rome was seen as a God.

Speaker B

So also the Romans would be like, okay, if you're not worshiping the emperor, you'll be put to death.

Speaker B

But the ones that were like the bounty hunters, if you want to put it that way, were the Jews going out there and exposing and finding all the Christians.

Speaker B

Because they're the ones that really wanted them dead.

Speaker B

They wanted the message of Christ to be wiped from the earth.

Speaker B

And so fast forward, that was three, that was almost four centuries up until the fourth century that Christian persecution reigned.

Speaker B

And so Christians had to worship underground in homes and in catacombs.

Speaker B

And then in 313 the biggest slap in their face of all actually let me back up in 135 when they got exiled Emperor Hadrian.

Speaker B

This is, this is an interesting fact.

Speaker B

In 135 AD, Emperor Hadrian of Rome the banished the Jews out of Judea and he renamed Judea to Syria Palestina.

Speaker B

That is the first time we hear Palestine.

Speaker B

And the reason he renamed it to that was out of spite against the Jews in homage to the Philistines, which.

Speaker A

Is why they're pushing so hard to get it back.

Speaker B

So actually Palestine, that plot land, the holy land of the Levant, has been known as Palestine or the holy land for 2000 years.

Speaker B

It hasn't been Judea since 2000 years ago, since before 135 AD.

Speaker B

But then fast forward to 313.

Speaker B

What happens then?

Speaker B

A very significant event.

Speaker B

Emperor Constantine at the time his mother was a Christian.

Speaker B

And so then he converts to Christianity in 313 and he issues what's called the Edict of Milan, which legalizes Christianity in the Roman Empire.

Speaker B

And now you have a Christian Roman Empire.

Speaker B

The two arch nemesis of the Jews come together as one.

Speaker B

And Emperor Hadrian or Emperor Constantine, he shifts powers into the Byzantine Empire, seen as the second Rome or the new Rome of that time.

Speaker B

So he, he takes what was in Rome and he basically builds another capital in Constantinople, which is now modern day Istanbul.

Speaker B

So that becomes the epicenter of the Roman Empire for many centuries and the Christendom Empire for many many centuries.

Speaker B

And this was like the most blatant and despicable slap in the face to the Jews that the two arch nemesis combined as one.

Speaker B

And ever since then it has been in the Jews interest to destroy Rome.

Speaker B

So Rome turned Christian, turned into the Byzantine Empire.

Speaker B

And now today we fast forward to modern events and what we see in the world.

Speaker B

Modern day Rome, the new Rome is the west and the remnants of Christendom around the world.

Speaker B

So what are we seeing?

Speaker B

We're seeing the perversion and the destruction of the West.

Speaker B

Propagated by who?

Speaker A

The Jews?

Speaker B

The Jews, the Jewish lobby, the Israelis, the Zionists.

Speaker B

And the Israeli backed politicians are destroying the west because that's their master plot.

Speaker B

And Benjamin, Benjamin Netanyahu admitted that himself a couple days ago.

Speaker A

And here we have Ted Cruz sitting here saying that we need to, we need to give them all of our support, all for, all for money, power.

Speaker A

It's disgusting.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

So essentially like for that history lesson.

Speaker A

That was incredible, bro.

Speaker B

That is the overarching scope of what's going on.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker B

And so when people hopefully that watch this will understand that and they will see, oh, that makes sense.

Speaker B

That's kind of clicking now.

Speaker B

And we see it not just in America, but all throughout the west, because Europe, they're known as the west as well.

Speaker B

That was, you know, the Christian epicenter of the world for many centuries.

Speaker B

It started in the east, right.

Speaker B

Like the Christian world was always known for like the first millennia to be the East.

Speaker B

Egypt.

Speaker A

So Egypt used to be all Christians.

Speaker B

It did, it was 90, it was 95 Christian until the Islamic caliphate came through and wiped them out and that.

Speaker B

And that lasted the Islamic caliphate wiping the, the Christians out in the east lasted for eight centuries.

Speaker B

And they withstood them for a long time.

Speaker B

And they tried to push into Europe, they actually got into like Spain and stuff.

Speaker B

But they, they toppled a lot of the Christian empire for eight centuries.

Speaker B

And then.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

So the east was the Christian epicenter of the world for a millennia, for over a thousand years.

Speaker B

And there were five patriarchate churches after the age of Milan.

Speaker B

So when the apostles were propping up churches, they would go into like Asia Minor, which is Turkey.

Speaker B

The apostle Mark went into Egypt and he propped up the church in like Alexandria and stuff.

Speaker B

And then obviously Jerusalem and Antioch, which is in Turkey.

Speaker B

And then Rome, which is where St. Peter and St. Paul went to start the church, which they were both martyred there.

Speaker B

But there were five patriarchate churches for at least the first 1054 years of church history.

Speaker B

And those five patriarchal churches was Rome, Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem and Alexandria.

Speaker B

And So those, those five churches ran the Christian world for, together for 10, 54 years.

Speaker B

So it was predominantly in the east because all the only church in the west was Rome.

Speaker B

Yep.

Speaker B

And so this kind of ties into Orthodoxy too, if we want to go that route, but it ties into a little bit more of the other stuff.

Speaker B

But in 1054 or for, for 154 years, there was just one church, one holy Catholic and apostolic united church.

Speaker B

Now the word Catholic is a Greek term that just means universal or whole.

Speaker B

And it's actually the original Kone.

Speaker B

Greek term is spelled with a K. And it's spelled a little bit differently, so it's pronounced like catholike.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker B

That just means a church universal.

Speaker B

Now, after 10:54, we see the Great Schism.

Speaker B

The Great Schism is when that one holy Catholic and Apostolic church split into the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.

Speaker A

Okay, I have a conspiracy with the Catholic Church, which I'd like to talk to you.

Speaker A

We'll talk.

Speaker A

I guess we could talk about at dinner tonight, but how Rome never fell.

Speaker A

It really just pulled.

Speaker A

It went into the Catholic Church, huh?

Speaker B

Yeah, it's Christendom.

Speaker A

It's where the.

Speaker A

We can.

Speaker A

I'll ask questions later.

Speaker A

I want you to keep going.

Speaker A

I'm.

Speaker A

I'm fascinated by everything you're saying.

Speaker B

So, yeah, so in 1054, the.

Speaker B

Essentially what happened there was centuries of build up to this political tension.

Speaker B

But what happened in 1054 is kind of got to go back in time because in 325 AD, the church had its first ecumenical council at the Council of Nicaea.

Speaker B

Now, this was fresh very soon after, you know, like a decade after Christianity becomes legalized in the Roman Empire by Constantine.

Speaker B

And so after that, the Christians come out of the underground and they're building cathedrals and they're allowed to practice openly in public.

Speaker B

And it flourishes even more than it already was.

Speaker B

And so they had in the early, started around the second century to the fourth century, the Church experienced heretics like the Gnostics, the Modalists, and in the 4th century, the Aranists.

Speaker B

So what, what the ecumenical councils were there for was essentially to one, establish dogma in concrete, like theology, what the Church believes, and two, to deny heresy.

Speaker B

So they saw early heretics and they had to be, you know, excommunicated early on.

Speaker B

But the Church came together through these ecumenical councils where all the bishops from all of these patriarchate churches would convene.

Speaker B

The first one happening in 325 in Nicaea.

Speaker B

And what they did is they established the Nicene Creed.

Speaker B

Are you familiar with this?

Speaker A

No, I'm not.

Speaker B

The Nicene Creed is the Christian proclamation of faith.

Speaker B

It is what the Church believes.

Speaker B

It is the dogma and foundational belief of the Trinity and how we view the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and essentially how we view our faith, because at that time we saw early heretics like the Gnostics.

Speaker B

The Gnostics were early.

Speaker B

One of the most early group of heretics that sprouted up in like the second century.

Speaker B

But are you familiar with like, the Book of Enoch?

Speaker B

Oh, yeah, okay, The Book of Enoch, the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary.

Speaker B

These were early Gnostic texts.

Speaker B

So these were heretical texts written by Gnostic, schismatic Christian sects.

Speaker B

Essentially the Gnostics believed that the God of the Bible was multiple gods, which fallen angels.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

If you want to get deep part of that, yeah.

Speaker B

So all of that comes from the Gnostics.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker B

And so they were, they were massive heretics in the church.

Speaker B

And they actually found a library of Gnostic texts in Egypt not that long ago, I think in the 40s.

Speaker B

But it was a very well preserved full library of pottery jars found near the Nile river in Egypt in like the 40s.

Speaker B

But it was all those Gnostic texts, like the Book of Enoch, I believe was in there, the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary and a series of other Gnostic texts.

Speaker B

But the Gnostics were like essentially just an early heretic group.

Speaker B

And so when they had the Council of Nicaea, they had to establish dogma.

Speaker B

Like there's early heretics coming about trying to change what we believe.

Speaker B

So we need to come together and convene as a democracy, as a church, and establish this in dogma, write it in stone and put it on the church so that people can't come by and say otherwise.

Speaker B

And also to deny heretics and heresies.

Speaker B

And so they established the Nicene greed.

Speaker B

And actually it's close to Christmas, so this is kind of ties into like the time of the season.

Speaker B

But Arius was, he was a bishop at that time.

Speaker B

He was at the Council of Nicaea in.

Speaker B

In Nicae.

Speaker B

Nicaea.

Speaker B

And he stepped up and he said, a heresy.

Speaker B

The heresy that he said was that Christ had a beginning, essentially.

Speaker B

So he believed and he tried to say that Christ did not exist until he was born of the Virgin Mary, which is a gross heresy, a gross mischaracterization of the Trinity.

Speaker B

And what happened was St. Nicholas, Santa Claus slapped him in the face and excommunicated him.

Speaker B

And then he started Arianism, which was a continuation of that heresy.

Speaker A

Interesting, man.

Speaker A

Damn, you're impressive.

Speaker B

Thank you, bro.

Speaker A

You're very impressive.

Speaker A

Yeah, like, I could just, we could just turn this off and I could just listen to you talk all day.

Speaker B

It's very interesting because it ties this.

Speaker B

It all ties together, man.

Speaker A

That's the craziest.

Speaker B

It all ties together.

Speaker B

People forget to realize this, but what I'm doing in, you know, the ground frame, the framework that I'm laying right now is a rebuttal against mainstream Protestants and the Catholic Church.

Speaker B

Because I'm Orthodox, I grew up not Catholic, I grew up Protestant, but I came into Orthodoxy this year.

Speaker B

I actually didn't know what Orthodoxy was until this year.

Speaker A

Why Orthodox or Orthodoxy.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

Would that be the proper term for it at that?

Speaker B

Either one.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Okay, so was.

Speaker A

I don't.

Speaker A

Dude, I don't want to pull you off of this.

Speaker A

This.

Speaker B

Well, that question can tie into what I was going to go into next.

Speaker B

Because why Orthodoxy?

Speaker B

Because that, that ties.

Speaker B

That all wraps up with, like, what happened in the great schism in 1054 when the church split.

Speaker B

So, like I said, the Church was united, one holy, Catholic and apostolic church for 1054 years.

Speaker B

And then the Great Schism happens.

Speaker B

So let me explain, like, the build up to that.

Speaker B

So there was political tension that was brewing for centuries between Rome and Constantinople, because during that time, in that first millennia, Rome fell like the fall of the Roman Empire.

Speaker B

That happened during that time.

Speaker B

And Constantine, who had shifted powers to Constantinople, Constantinople blossomed, it flourished.

Speaker B

It was a great spot for trade and the economy and defense and all of these things.

Speaker B

And it was in the east, which is where the Christian world was.

Speaker B

And so there was a pope in Rome and the Pope in Rome.

Speaker B

You have to understand how the pope, papacy came about.

Speaker B

The reason that the Catholics believe in a Pope is because they believe that Peter, the Apostle Peter was the first Pope, because the Apostle Peter And Paul and St. Clement of Rome, who's actually mentioned in Philippians, St. Clement of Rome was a disciple of Paul, but those three went to Rome, they started the church, and they were martyred in Rome.

Speaker B

And actually, to this day, they found the remains of Peter under St. Peter's Basilica.

Speaker B

It's crazy, right?

Speaker A

Kidding.

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B

They found Peter's remains.

Speaker B

They have Peter's bones.

Speaker B

He was buried under St. Peter's Basilica.

Speaker A

I've never heard that.

Speaker B

And so the reason the Catholic Church has the papacy is because they believe that Peter was the first Pope.

Speaker B

And they believe that Peter was the head of the apostles.

Speaker B

So the reason they believe this is because there's a verse where before Jesus ascends, I believe it was after the resurrection, he tells Peter.

Speaker B

Peter's name used to be Simon, and he changed it to Peter.

Speaker B

And what he told him was, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.

Speaker B

Now, this was interpreted in two different ways.

Speaker B

The Catholics interpreted it later because again, they agreed with the one unified church for over a thousand years.

Speaker B

But later, when they wanted to pull back power to Rome, they started saying that.

Speaker B

Oh, wait, I think what Christ was actually saying was that Peter was the head of the Church and that his church would be built upon the rock in Rome.

Speaker B

So that therefore, Rome has to be the epicenter of Christianity and the Pope has to be the leader of Christianity, and the Pope has to have supremacy and leadership over all bishops and all churches.

Speaker B

Whereas for the first 10, 54 years, the church was united under this democratic society or democratic way of ruling itself.

Speaker B

It was never that the Pope had supreme headship over all their bishops.

Speaker B

They were all unified and led the Church together.

Speaker B

But the reason, I think that in Rome, they tried to pull back.

Speaker B

They tried to pull back power from Constantinople because they were falling.

Speaker B

There was a lot that was during parts of the Dark Ages.

Speaker B

And so they tried to pull back power by saying that Peter is the first pope and the papacy needs to reign supreme and all.

Speaker B

You need to answer us.

Speaker B

And also, they changed.

Speaker B

They actually invented a heresy called the filioque.

Speaker B

Now, the filioque is a deviation.

Speaker B

It's an alteration of the original Nicene Creed.

Speaker B

The Nicene Creed that was established, the declaration of the Christian faith in 325 A.D. said everything that we believe about the Trinity.

Speaker B

So it said that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.

Speaker B

That's what it said.

Speaker B

And nobody wanted to change it.

Speaker B

Now, around, I believe, the sixth or fifth century, maybe seventh, around that time, there were some bishops in Spain that attempted to change it.

Speaker B

They attempted to change it unilaterally.

Speaker B

And actually the Pope for a few centuries rebuked them and said, no, we're not changing it.

Speaker B

We're not altering the Creed.

Speaker B

Now, eventually, leading up to 10:54, the Pope succumbed to this, and he actually changed the Creed.

Speaker B

So now the Creed says it added the filioque, which just means and the Son in Latin.

Speaker B

So what that means is they change the Creed from saying that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father to changing it to say that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Speaker B

Now, this may not seem like a big deal, but the.

Speaker B

The issue that arises with that is that if the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit does not share in a divine nature.

Speaker B

He's excluded from that divine nature.

Speaker A

So that's where you get the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Speaker B

Yeah, okay.

Speaker B

So it actually diminishes the role of the Holy Spirit in the Church.

Speaker B

And that is actually where you get the papacy and all these cardinals and all of that stuff, because the role of the Holy Spirit in the Church, preserving and guiding and leading the church, is diminished.

Speaker B

And that can be Replaced by man.

Speaker B

So in the Orthodox Church, they never changed the creed.

Speaker B

They.

Speaker B

To this day, at church, we recite the original Nicene Creed that was established in 325, okay?

Speaker B

Whereas the Catholics recite the alterate, the altered Creed.

Speaker B

So the Filioque, Rome trying to pull back power, other political differences that all boiled over, and that is what led to the Great Schism.

Speaker B

And essentially the Pope in Rome and the Patriarch of Constantinople excommunicated each other.

Speaker B

They both sent letters to each other's churches excommunicating each other.

Speaker B

And from that point on, the Eastern Orthodox become a thing and the Roman Catholics become a thing in the West.

Speaker A

And then from the Orthodox, you have all of the branches of different Christianity off of that.

Speaker A

Correct or no?

Speaker B

Kind of the other way around.

Speaker B

So Eastern Orthodox, they prevail to this day.

Speaker B

To this day, no more schisms, no more breakaways.

Speaker B

We still have all of the bishops and the patriarchs, like we have.

Speaker B

So in the Eastern Orthodox faith, I think there's.

Speaker B

I don't want to get fried in the comments for this, but I believe there's 12, like, churches now, patriarchs.

Speaker B

So you have like, the patriarch in Russia, patriarch in Constantinople, the patriarch in Jerusalem, all of those churches, right?

Speaker B

Nobody, no one patriarch is like the leader of the whole Orthodox Church.

Speaker B

They all share that power still.

Speaker B

So like the patriarch in Russia, he is like the head of the church in Russia.

Speaker B

But that church in Russia still follows all of the same teachings and dogmas and theologies of all other Eastern Orthodox churches.

Speaker B

So if any one of those churches, like if, let's say the Patriarch in Russia wanted to say, hey, I want to change, like, you know, this belief on Christ or the Holy Spirit, he would be excommunicated.

Speaker B

But that's never happened in over a thousand years.

Speaker B

Not a single deviation in the Orthodox Church.

Speaker B

Meaning that for actually 2,000 years, the Orthodox Church has remained unchanged and unaltered from the time of Christ, the time of the Apostles, all the Nicene Creeds, or all the, all the, excuse me, all of the ecumenical councils to this day.

Speaker B

The Orthodox Church follows the fullness of the faith handed down to them by the apostles.

Speaker B

Whereas the Catholic Church, they changed, they modernized, they added things, subtracted things.

Speaker B

And then eventually in the 1500s, we get another schism from the Catholic Church, the Protestant Reformation.

Speaker B

So in the 1500s, fast forward 500 years, Martin Luther comes along.

Speaker B

He is a.

Speaker B

A monk in, in Germany, and he's like, okay, I'm reading the Bible, but all these things the Church is saying doesn't align, they're selling indulgences, they believe in purgatory.

Speaker B

All these things doesn't make sense.

Speaker B

So what he did is he created the 95 thesis.

Speaker B

Now this was just basically the 95 problems he found with the Catholic Church.

Speaker B

And he nailed that to the Church in Germany.

Speaker B

Some dispute that, but that is the mainstream belief that he nailed the 95 thesis and then he was actually excommunicated.

Speaker B

So Martin Luther was kicked out of the Catholic Church and he had built up a following of people from the church and essentially he wanted to reform the church.

Speaker B

He knew that the Catholics were deviating from the original faith.

Speaker B

And what he said to the Catholic bishops is that I actually agree with the Greeks more.

Speaker B

The Greeks meaning the Orthodox.

Speaker B

And so Martin Luther, it seemed like he was going to jump ship to the Orthodox Church.

Speaker B

But here's the dilemma.

Speaker B

He didn't fully understand the Orthodox Church.

Speaker B

And if you can think Martin Luther was wounded and hurt by the Catholic Church.

Speaker B

And he didn't want, he had a lot of followers.

Speaker B

He didn't want to take them and immediately jump ship to the Orthodox without fully understanding that.

Speaker B

So what he was doing was he was writing letters to the Patriarch in Constantinople, asking questions, trying to learn more about Orthodox, the Orthodox Church.

Speaker B

And so as this is happening, he's been excommunicated.

Speaker B

He has a lot of followers and he's writing letters.

Speaker B

But these letters take months to send and months to receive back an answer.

Speaker B

But while that those letters are being sent back and forth, all these people are like, where do we go, Martin Luther now?

Speaker B

Yeah, where do we go now?

Speaker B

And so he starts performing the church on his own.

Speaker B

And so he takes the Bible, this is going to go real deep into another rabbit hole that people are going to like.

Speaker B

So Martin Luther, all he has, he's a monk, he knows the Bible, seemingly seems to know the Bible very well.

Speaker B

And so he says, we're not going to have any more clergy, not going to have this, you know, man made institution.

Speaker B

All we're going to have is the Bible.

Speaker B

And that's the only infallible source of the church from this point on.

Speaker B

And so he invented a term called sola scriptura, which just means scripture alone.

Speaker A

Okay?

Speaker B

So that means that the Bible is the only infallible source of the Church.

Speaker B

The problem with that is the Bible to many people can be subjective.

Speaker A

Absolutely.

Speaker B

So within Martin Luther's own lifetime, from the point of the Reformation to his death, there were multiple schisms within the Protestant sect, within the Protestant Church, because Martin Luther would read the Bible, come to his conclusion, say, this is my conclusion on the Bible and what it says and how the church should be run.

Speaker B

And then other people would disagree and then they would break away.

Speaker B

So the Catholic Church, the inception, or, excuse me, the.

Speaker B

Or the Protestant church, from its very inception, breeds schism, it breeds ambiguity because there is no full one understanding of the Bible unless you have the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which if we want to go back in time, before Christ left, he also made two other promises to the church, to his apostles.

Speaker B

He said that he would leave them with one church and the gates of Hades would never prevail against it.

Speaker B

Okay, one church, not thousands of different churches, one.

Speaker B

And the gates, Hades will not prevail against it.

Speaker B

But he also said that after he left, he would give them his Holy Spirit.

Speaker B

He would impart on them the Holy Spirit to be their helper and to guide them into all truths and to bring all things to their remembrance.

Speaker B

Now, what that means is at the day of Pentecost, rewinding a couple thousand years, Pentecost just means 50th in Greek.

Speaker B

It's the 50th day after Christ's resurrection.

Speaker B

And so at that point in time, the Holy Spirit in the Bible actually descends on the apostles.

Speaker B

And we see that the Holy Spirit was like a flame over their heads and they started speaking in tongues in front of a crowd of people.

Speaker B

And the people actually thought they were drunk, but they were speaking in tongues.

Speaker B

And then Peter, Apostle Peter, gives a sermon and he converts 3,000 people.

Speaker B

And that's the inception of the church right there in the Bible at the point of Pentecost.

Speaker B

And then he baptizes or the apostles baptized all of those new Christians.

Speaker B

And that's the church beginning right there of the institution.

Speaker B

Now, when Christ made all those promises that he would leave them with one church and the gates of Hades would not prevail against that one church and that he would give them the Holy Spirit, so bring all things to their remembrance and guide them into all truths.

Speaker B

We see the Holy Spirit coming down to the apostles, the beginning of the church and when they were writing the gospels.

Speaker B

Okay, so I debate like atheists or Muslims or whoever wants to smoke and.

Speaker A

Yeah, right, it fought.

Speaker A

Good luck with you, Holy God.

Speaker B

And so when the apostles were writing the gospels, right, they're writing literal word for word quotes of Jesus, but those quotes were said years or decades prior.

Speaker B

So when an atheist will come to me and say, okay, well, it said in the Bible that Jesus said all of these things, but the apostles actually didn't start writing it down till decades later or years later.

Speaker B

How do you know they remembered it perfectly well?

Speaker B

They didn't because Christ promised them to give them the Holy Spirit to bring all things to their remembrance.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

So when the apostles were writing the New Testament, they had the Holy Spirit with them, preserving them and guiding their pen strokes so that they could not put anything wrong or incorrect into the Scriptures.

Speaker B

That's why the Bible is infallible, because it is written by the Holy Spirit and God.

Speaker B

But also not just the Bible is infallible, but the Church.

Speaker B

And here's why.

Speaker B

Because he left them with the Holy Spirit to guide them into all truths.

Speaker B

And it ties back to when he said the gates of Hades would not prevail against it.

Speaker B

So in the Orthodox faith, in our Church, we believe that the presence of the Holy Spirit has presided and remained and preserved his church for all 2000 years of history, of church history.

Speaker B

Now we see this in real time in the Scriptures with the laying on of hands.

Speaker B

How does this work?

Speaker B

So the line of succession when it comes to the Orthodox and actually the Catholic Church too.

Speaker B

So the only two churches that have what we call apostolic succession, which is essentially an unbroken chain of successors leading back to the apostles, only churches that have that is the Catholic Church with Peter and the Orthodox Church.

Speaker B

And so the way that the line of succession worked is in the Old.

Speaker B

So in the Old Testament, when the, the Israelites had to pick somebody like a spy for something or a priest or a deacon for like the tabernacle, what they would do is they would cast lots.

Speaker B

Are you familiar with this?

Speaker A

No.

Speaker B

So they would cast lots, essentially.

Speaker B

It sounds like rolling dice or something, but it's not, it's not ambiguous.

Speaker B

What they would do is essentially a couple different ways they would do this.

Speaker B

But let's say they, they write, they have like 10 men lined up and they would write the names of all 10 men on like some pebbles, and then they would shake up a cup and they would pick a pebble and read the name.

Speaker B

And that's the person they would pick.

Speaker B

Well, that was the process of picking people that was given to them by God in the Old Testament.

Speaker B

And that was not arbitrary or random.

Speaker B

It was said that their hand would be guided by the Holy Spirit to pick that person so that there was no, like, human corruption in picking a person.

Speaker B

Now the last time we ever see a lot, a lot being casted was actually just before Pentecost, the very last time in the Bible that they casted lots to pick Somebody was on the 40th day.

Speaker B

Christ ascends on the 50th day.

Speaker B

They received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

Speaker B

So there's a 10 day gap where they can't go to Christ to ask him.

Speaker B

And they don't have the Holy Spirit yet.

Speaker B

So there's this limbo period.

Speaker B

Now the person they were picking was Judas Replacement who was Matthias.

Speaker B

So they casted a lot and they picked Matthias to be the 12th apostle to replace Judas.

Speaker B

But that's the last time because at Pentecost they received the Holy Spirit.

Speaker B

And from there the line of succession on picking righteous men to lead the church or to be bishops was the process of laying on of hands.

Speaker B

Now this is in the Bible numerous times in the New Testament where one of the first times we see the process of laying on of hands to pick people or to have a line of succession is when I believe in Ephesus, I want to say they were picking seven deacons for the church.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker B

And they were told to only pick men of righteous faith.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

Like righteous men.

Speaker B

And so the way that they would pick them is they would be guided by the Holy Spirit, they would pray.

Speaker B

There was actually a prescribed way that the apostles would pray before picking men.

Speaker B

And once they had their answer, they would physically lay their hands.

Speaker B

All the apostles would lay their hands on that man and essentially ordain him to be a leader of the church.

Speaker B

Now this was the only prescribed way of succession or appointment of somebody in the church.

Speaker B

Because there is a story where a man tried to self appoint himself in the, in the church and Paul rebuked him and he scorned him and he said, you have no authority to self appoint yourself in the church unless you have been picked by men of faith who guided by the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands.

Speaker B

That's the only way that you can be appointed in the church or to lead the church.

Speaker B

And to this day, to this very day, every priest and every bishop in the Orthodox Church receives the laying on of hands.

Speaker B

And that is an unbroken process of a line of succession from the time of the apostles.

Speaker B

And the reason it's still valid today is because the Holy Spirit presides with the church because as Christ said, he would leave one church and the gates of Hades would not prevail against that one church.

Speaker A

Damn, man.

Speaker B

So that in a nutshell is why I picked Orthodoxy.

Speaker B

To answer your question, that was a loaded question.

Speaker A

I'm so glad I asked.

Speaker A

Yeah, thank you for sharing that, man.

Speaker B

There's more to it too.

Speaker B

I Mean, oh, I'm sure if you look at the church fathers.

Speaker B

So you can, like I said, you can see, people would always say that the apostles, well, obviously Christ is infallible.

Speaker B

He's God.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

People would say the Bible is infallible.

Speaker B

And then pretty much every Christian would also say that the apostles are infallible.

Speaker B

At least, you know, they're sinful men.

Speaker B

They commit sin.

Speaker B

Them amongst themselves through their own human nature, are not infallible.

Speaker B

The only reason that they're infallible when writing the Gospels or propping up the church or leading the Church is through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

And so every Christian would say that the apostles are infallible when it comes to the Church and writing the Gospels.

Speaker B

But we know that their successors, all of the apostles, had disciples themselves.

Speaker B

This is lost in Protestantism.

Speaker A

Okay?

Speaker B

So much is lost in Protestantism because they didn't have any connection to the Orthodox Church.

Speaker B

They came from the Catholics and then they broke away and they forgot all 1500 years of church history and tradition.

Speaker B

So the church fathers, like St. Ignatius of Antioch, for example, who was a disciple of John, Saint Clement of Rome, who was a disciple of Peter, Saint Athanasius, Saint Clement or, and many other church fathers, these were people, these were men of faith who had received the laying on of hands.

Speaker B

And they were the direct, like disciples, like, like Padawans of the apostles.

Speaker B

And so these men, because Christians will go to the Bible and debate, what does this verse mean?

Speaker B

How do you interpret it?

Speaker B

Well, we can run around in circles debating what each of these verses means, but we have another infallible source that makes things black and white.

Speaker B

It's the church fathers.

Speaker B

These guys were literally the disciples.

Speaker B

They knew John, Peter, Paul personally.

Speaker B

They were there like Jedi knight Padawans learned from them for years.

Speaker B

All of those men have their own writings.

Speaker B

We can look back to their writings and see what they say about certain things in the church, certain dogmas, certain theology, certain interpretations of Gospel.

Speaker B

And when you look back to the church fathers, and a lot of people are going to try to question me on this, go fact check it yourself.

Speaker B

But there's only one church that I have looked into that aligns perfectly and does not deviate from anything that the church fathers said because they made things more black and white, like the Eucharist or Baptism.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

The only church that agrees with the church fathers undeniably is the Orthodox Church.

Speaker B

If you look, and I have debated like Protestants and, and been like, okay, we can go read the church fathers and we can see where your church contradicts what they're saying.

Speaker B

So, okay, two people can't be right.

Speaker B

Somebody has to be wrong here.

Speaker B

Is it your church and Pastor Bob that's wrong or is it Saint Athanasius or Saint Clement of Rome that spoke.

Speaker A

And wrote it and lived it?

Speaker B

And so that puts them in a dilemma of saying either the early church and the church fathers were incorrect and then you therefore basically align debunked.

Speaker B

You basically are a Muslim at that point.

Speaker B

Because that's the same thing they say.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Or you have to swallow your pride and say, well, maybe we're wrong.

Speaker B

Yeah, probably the earth, the church fathers were the ones who are right.

Speaker B

The guys who are literally the disciples of the disciples.

Speaker B

So that's another reason.

Speaker B

I mean it's so robust to me.

Speaker B

I'm never leaving orthodoxy.

Speaker B

It's so like to me stone and just makes it so crystal, crystal clear now.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Because I've been asked, you know, and I, I have people that reach out because obviously I'm back into my faith and I grew up in a Christian home, you know, non denominational and people ask me and like my, obviously I have not done the research.

Speaker A

You have, but my biggest thing is, and I try to explain to people is I try to follow the word of God as best as possible.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

As true as possible.

Speaker A

Until I get into.

Speaker A

On the level of on fire that you are, which I pray every night for that it just consumes me where I'm just, I can read and just take it in.

Speaker A

And because I love watching my daughter and how on fire she is and it means, and obviously as a father of a household, of our home, I have to be that spiritual leader.

Speaker A

It's our role, it's biblical to be the head of your home.

Speaker A

And so it's like that's where I'm like God, like there's, and there's so many, it's like I look at the Catholic Church and now there's certain Catholic churches are flying the LBGT flag and, and all these different things and they're allowing these people in, they allow this woman, this gay lesbian female preacher to be able to speak.

Speaker A

And I'm just like, that's not the church.

Speaker A

And so it's like everything gets so muddied.

Speaker B

Yeah, that's where I was too, man, for seven years.

Speaker A

And there's so much.

Speaker A

And I guess that's where a lot of my, I don't want to say doubt.

Speaker A

I don't, I, I, there's no doubt that God sent his son, walked the Earth died for us, came back to life, resurrected back into the heaven.

Speaker A

There's no, there's never been any scientific proof that has ever debunked anything like major in the Bible.

Speaker B

Oh, Jesus Christ is the most undeniable historical figure in history.

Speaker A

Thank you.

Speaker B

Objectively.

Speaker A

Objectively, number one sold book in the world and it always will be the most hated and loved man at the.

Speaker B

Same time is most well preserved ancient documents by a very large margin.

Speaker A

The.

Speaker A

The shroud that they, they had that.

Speaker B

He strat of torn.

Speaker A

If you could watch them break down the shroud of torn where they put the, they put the, the lights that.

Speaker A

There's like a certain thing on your phone that you could scan and it shows the puncture wounds, it shows the thorn.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

And it's the blood on the wrist.

Speaker A

Because it would have ripped through the hand.

Speaker A

I mean there's.

Speaker A

So for me, there's.

Speaker A

I can't deny that.

Speaker A

And everybody that listens to my podcast, I'm always like, make it make sense.

Speaker A

Make it make sense.

Speaker A

And there's nothing in the history that doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker A

It's, I guess where my.

Speaker A

I don't want to say doubt because I don't doubt it.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

It's which, like, which path.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Because then if you're here now, it's like if you even look at Mormons and they're constantly changing things, you look at the Catholics, they're changing.

Speaker A

There's so much going on.

Speaker A

So that's why I liked, I wanted to ask, like, because you're so stern on orthodox Christian, it's like, okay, but to me and where I'm at in my journey, it's like God.

Speaker A

I just want to follow the word of God as best and as.

Speaker A

As close to possible.

Speaker A

But if that is okay, maybe, I mean, may need to look down on this.

Speaker A

And that's why I love the church that we go to, because we've tried other churches.

Speaker A

I listen to these other pastors and it's always like they put their.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Their belief or their twist.

Speaker A

I'm not saying they're.

Speaker A

They're changing it, but it's their belief or what.

Speaker A

How they're interpreted.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

A lot of.

Speaker A

In the scriptures.

Speaker A

And so like what I love about our pastor, he's like, this is from the.

Speaker A

This is the word of God.

Speaker A

This is the Bible.

Speaker A

This is.

Speaker A

And obviously the.

Speaker A

We can argue that the Bible's been rewritten and there's been obviously scripts taken out.

Speaker A

Like, you know, there's a lot of that which, that's a whole other rabbit hole.

Speaker A

But for the, that's what I appreciate for our pastors.

Speaker A

Like, he's like, we're speaking the word of God.

Speaker A

This is from the Bible directly.

Speaker A

We don't.

Speaker A

We're not going to interpret it in, in however we think it is.

Speaker A

This is what was said.

Speaker A

This is what it means.

Speaker A

So that's where I'm at with it.

Speaker A

But it's like, like God, I start listening to these other people, like, well, we believe this.

Speaker A

And I'm like, I'm like, well, that, that doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker A

Like, okay, well, you're just adding this.

Speaker A

You could just change this.

Speaker A

Like, who says?

Speaker A

Right?

Speaker A

Like, if we're gonna sit here and take the word of God, I need to take all of the word of God, and that's all I want to consume.

Speaker A

I don't need somebody's interpretation of, well, he might have thought about this.

Speaker A

Or, well, some people take it as this.

Speaker A

Like, I don't need that in my journey of learning.

Speaker A

I'm just like, where are the facts?

Speaker A

That's what I need to read.

Speaker A

That's what I.

Speaker A

That's what I need to consume in order to get to where I want to be as a Christian.

Speaker A

And just as far as just basic knowledge.

Speaker A

And so it's, it's fascinating to be able to sit here and talk because I've.

Speaker A

I don't say I've never talked to an orthodox Christian, but, like, one that was so open and like, that's your stance and this is your belief on it.

Speaker A

But it.

Speaker A

To me, that makes sense.

Speaker A

If, if you're sitting here saying, hey, we can go back to like, like the beginning, and we've never detoured off of this, and this is what we've always believed.

Speaker A

Like, okay, that makes sense to me.

Speaker B

And listen, man, like, when I came into Earth, I came from the Protestant church.

Speaker B

It's very different.

Speaker A

Oh, yeah.

Speaker B

So trust me when I say I was averse to a lot of it.

Speaker B

I was opposed to a lot of it at face value when I first heard things or like, was discovering things because it's so foreign to me as a Protestant.

Speaker B

And even when I went to Palestine and I was exposed to orthodoxy for the first time, I kind of thought they were crazy.

Speaker B

I was like, you guys believe in all that.

Speaker B

You guys have saints, you guys like.

Speaker A

All this how it used to be.

Speaker A

Why, why, why now?

Speaker B

In 20, dude, I literally went to churches I went to.

Speaker B

So it's so cool.

Speaker B

You gotta go.

Speaker B

Because I went to some churches that Were like some of the first churches ever.

Speaker B

Like they found catacombs where early Christians would worship and they built a bigger church next to it.

Speaker B

And they actually have a church, like a 2000 year old church where Christians hid to worship in Palestine.

Speaker B

It's super cool.

Speaker A

See that's.

Speaker A

And when you, if you want to rewind, how are we as Christians going to sit here and be like, oh, we, we can't talk.

Speaker A

You know, whoever's leading the church and, and who's representing it, that's not how we look at it.

Speaker A

But like when Jesus was walking around, that's how, I mean, well, not when he was walking around after obviously he got resurrected and the church started.

Speaker A

That's, that's the original foundings of the church.

Speaker A

It's man who has muddied the waters.

Speaker A

It's man who has changed and put their beliefs on it.

Speaker A

And that's where things just trickle and start changing.

Speaker A

And that's where I have a hard time jumping full into this as a Christian is because I'm like, well, if they're just saying this and they didn't, this is what they believe.

Speaker A

I don't want to go off of what some man believes.

Speaker A

I want to go off of what was stated, what from the beginning of time, the whole everything from start to finish.

Speaker A

Okay, this is, this is the journey that I want to go on.

Speaker A

Not because some pastor believes in, read this scripture and this is how he feels.

Speaker A

It is because then, now I'm following man.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

And I don't, that, that, that I can't get behind if I'm going to sit here and follow Christ.

Speaker A

Like I, I have to remove man as much as possible out of it in our day and age, because corruption, money, power, everything that comes with man.

Speaker A

That's where I feel bad for a lot of people like that, that hate the church.

Speaker A

It's like, well, you hate the church that was created by man.

Speaker A

That's what hurts you was man.

Speaker B

Yeah, dude, I was there for seven years.

Speaker B

I left the church for seven years.

Speaker B

And that's, that was my mindset because I, I had like my own breakaway from the church because I didn't agree with a lot of it and I didn't know where to go and then I found orthodoxy.

Speaker B

But I have a question for you on that note.

Speaker B

Yeah, Kind of maybe to put you on the spot, but.

Speaker B

So you say you, you like your pastor.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

Okay, so I have a hypothetical for you.

Speaker B

Almost like an inevitable actually.

Speaker B

But you like your pastor now, you like your church, and that's Great.

Speaker B

But eventually your pastor is going to get old and be replaced.

Speaker B

You're going to die off.

Speaker B

Your children are then going to have to find a church.

Speaker B

Are they going to have that same teaching?

Speaker A

No.

Speaker B

No.

Speaker B

And this was a huge problem for me because you always hear in the Protestant sect of like, people moving to a new town and they're like, oh, we're church hopping, we're looking around.

Speaker B

But even if you find a solid church, your kids are not going to have that same church.

Speaker B

Your grandkids are not going to have that same church.

Speaker B

Whereas in the Orthodox church, it's been the same for 2000 years.

Speaker A

See, and with that, you're always hearing people who are trying to find the right.

Speaker A

Because it took us a long time to find the right church.

Speaker A

And it just happened to be.

Speaker B

This should be the same.

Speaker B

It should just all be the same, you know, that's how I feel.

Speaker B

Feel?

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Because I'd go to one guy, he's preached a certain way and preaching his way, and I'm like, man, didn't feel it.

Speaker A

But then we have to go around until you see that, I guess.

Speaker A

And I'll admit it, I go off a feel if he's preaching.

Speaker A

And my kids might not feel that pastor.

Speaker A

They might.

Speaker A

But what's the other pastor teaching?

Speaker A

What are his beliefs?

Speaker A

True beliefs?

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

What is.

Speaker A

Where was he raised up?

Speaker A

In who?

Speaker A

When I say groomed, I'm not meaning in a negative way, but obviously, you know, trained him.

Speaker A

Who trained and where did he.

Speaker A

He study under that could be a million different ways.

Speaker A

So I mean, it makes sense to me.

Speaker A

And so like, but that's a great point.

Speaker A

Like, how do you argue that that one guy, you might go to a church and hey, man, this is a church when it's on fire.

Speaker A

And I feel it because that was a big thing for us.

Speaker A

Like, I, I don't, I.

Speaker A

When I fell away and the wife was pulling me back into it because she's not quitting on me, she's like, you're doing this.

Speaker A

Then when I finally found this church, it was, it was like, oh, man, I feel like I'm in the spotlight every, every time.

Speaker A

And he's talking, I swear to God, he stares at me the whole entire service.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

And they put, they put the spotlight.

Speaker B

On talking about you.

Speaker A

I'm over here sweating and I'm like, oh, God.

Speaker A

You know, and so, yeah, but my kids, I might not feel that.

Speaker A

So it's, I get it.

Speaker A

But for me, as a man of, I feel of logic and principle, Like, I just.

Speaker A

I just want the word and I don't want it deciphered.

Speaker A

I don't want it interpreted, whoever, in a man's way or his opinions.

Speaker A

I just want it how it was meant to be, how I'm supposed to take it in, and how it's supposed to make me feel and how I live my life.

Speaker A

And I try to do the best that I can.

Speaker A

And I'm not one of these, well, if I'm just a good person, like, I know I need to be better in my faith and I know I need to be stronger because at the end of the day, our kids are the only thing we can take with us.

Speaker A

And to me that's like, okay, if it just takes me believing in God, believing in Christ, following his word, doing everything I can to be a disciple of him and to be able to like, allow, if I can use this platform to just allow guys to come on here and talk, talk about their journeys and their faith.

Speaker A

And one of my listeners listens are like, damn, okay, like, that makes sense.

Speaker A

That's where I'm at with it.

Speaker A

I just, I want the peace that it brings me, the joy, the love.

Speaker A

Dude, I was a hateful person.

Speaker A

I've talked about on this podcast a lot of times.

Speaker A

Like, I was hating discontent for I fought the world on everything.

Speaker A

And it's like, man, if it could bring me to the piece where I'm at now.

Speaker A

And like, I just enjoy my life and I enjoy my family and I love being around them.

Speaker A

And I want other men, I want other people to feel that as well.

Speaker A

It's like, why would I not?

Speaker A

You know?

Speaker A

And it's like.

Speaker A

But I need to educate myself more on the.

Speaker A

For the ability to be able to talk to them and help them along their journeys where I'm at, you know, and it's, and it's great.

Speaker A

Dude, I love the fact that you're this on fire and you're gonna change a lot of lives, man.

Speaker A

Like, this was one of my big reasons of having you out here.

Speaker A

Like, I, I've watched you for a while and I've seen, seen your growth has been insane.

Speaker A

And the fact that, like I said in the beginning, you're not just out here regurgitating for clicks and likes.

Speaker A

Like, you're flying to these countries, you're studying this, You're.

Speaker A

You're engulfing yourself in the, the heritage, the history, the cultures, everything that built what you believe and what you stand for.

Speaker A

You're learning it.

Speaker A

You're not just out here just oh yeah.

Speaker A

This, this and this guy said this and I'm going to say it just because I need the views and the growth.

Speaker A

Like you're going to be changing.

Speaker A

You are.

Speaker A

I'm not going to say you're going to be like you are changing.

Speaker A

You're going to be ahead of a movement, man.

Speaker A

Like I am.

Speaker A

I'm excited to watch this and I'm excited to watch you grow because I don't even think you've even started your stride yet.

Speaker A

Like you.

Speaker B

I don't think so either.

Speaker B

I mean I started in April.

Speaker B

I started all this in April.

Speaker A

So insane, man.

Speaker B

Yeah, we're just getting started.

Speaker A

I would be praying for you that meta doesn't freaking make you go away.

Speaker A

That's the biggest.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Scariest thing for guys like yeah.

Speaker B

Is.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

You have such a.

Speaker A

Incredible voice in a future ahead of you and as far as leading men to Christ meeting, having men wake up and realize what's going on in this.

Speaker B

Country and yeah, that's the main goal, man.

Speaker A

And.

Speaker A

And that's where that's a lot of my prayers for you are going to be going is that you continue to grow just to spread this word and to be able to have these conversations and show the world what's really the truth and facts.

Speaker A

Dude, that's it.

Speaker A

That's all these people need to see.

Speaker A

They don't need the sugar fluff and all the.

Speaker A

That comes along with it.

Speaker A

It's.

Speaker A

Dude, just hit him with it.

Speaker A

And I'm really excited to see where.

Speaker B

Thank you brother.

Speaker B

Appreciate it.

Speaker A

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

I appreciate your time coming out here.

Speaker B

Dude.

Speaker B

This was actually like.

Speaker B

This might have been the best podcast I've done so far.

Speaker B

Honestly.

Speaker B

This was good.

Speaker B

Like the dialogue, sometimes it's just like dude.

Speaker B

Sometimes cuz.

Speaker B

Sometimes it's just like a. I just ramble.

Speaker B

Like people will ask me like these open ended questions and then I ramble and then they don't even give me commentary.

Speaker B

They just go to the next question.

Speaker B

But like this was a great back and forth, you know, good dialogue.

Speaker A

Dude, you have no idea what that means, man.

Speaker A

You like, especially you being great.

Speaker A

You've been on my studio.

Speaker B

This is the best studio, best show I've been on so far.

Speaker B

Best dialogue.

Speaker B

I'm not even joking.

Speaker B

I'm not gassing you up.

Speaker B

This is good, bro.

Speaker A

You have no idea what that means, man.

Speaker A

Like the fact that my kid and I do this.

Speaker B

Yeah, we have no idea what we're.

Speaker A

Doing half the time.

Speaker A

But it's just that's.

Speaker A

I just want to have Real conversations, people.

Speaker A

And give people the opportunity to talk and to tell who they are and, like, what they believe in.

Speaker A

And I. Dude, that.

Speaker A

That was awesome.

Speaker A

You have.

Speaker A

You have no idea, dude.

Speaker A

Like, seriously, I've been.

Speaker A

I've been watching your growth this whole time.

Speaker A

Like, God, this guy is crushing.

Speaker A

Like, he's.

Speaker A

And then the.

Speaker A

Your message and everything that's going on with it.

Speaker A

I appreciate you coming and doing this.

Speaker B

Thanks for having me.

Speaker A

I'm glad we got left K at.

Speaker B

4 hours and 6 minutes.

Speaker A

Christmas, not too bad.

Speaker A

Dude, I can talk to you for days.

Speaker A

I'm about to get you back out here.

Speaker B

That flew by, actually.

Speaker A

Well, bro, I guess we could probably end on that.

Speaker B

Yeah, I mean, there's plenty more to talk about, but I'm kind of hungry.

Speaker A

I'm gonna have you back.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

So leading on this, you are a man of faith.

Speaker A

You are very passionate about this country, and you fought for your country.

Speaker A

I mean, you sign that dotted line, you've done a lot of things.

Speaker A

If there is a message for young men in this world right now that are lost, they're lost in porn, they're lost in social media, they're lost in envy and watching other people's growth.

Speaker A

If there is a message for young men of your generation, even mine, bro, you're going to be changing all lives of all ages.

Speaker A

You have a message for them.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's my stern belief.

Speaker B

You know, I. I talk about that.

Speaker B

That idea that people have become batteries to the system and they've become so complacent and like, mindless zombies just plugged into the matrix.

Speaker B

And I try to get men out of that mindset and let them know that the chances of you being born are next to none.

Speaker B

You gotta think all of your ancestors had to meet the right people, and then your mom had to meet your dad, and your sperm cell had to make it to the egg.

Speaker B

The chances of you being born are literally almost impossible.

Speaker B

And yet here you are.

Speaker B

And it's my belief that God created everybody and he loves everybody and has a purpose for everybody.

Speaker B

And that purpose is not to be a battery to serve the evil, the devil of this world.

Speaker B

So for every man out there, every person watching this, I would say find your.

Speaker B

Find number one.

Speaker B

Find the truth of who Christ is.

Speaker B

It's there.

Speaker B

You'll find it.

Speaker B

And if you can't find it on your own, if you've never prayed, get on your knees and just imagine God's up there.

Speaker B

Ask him to reveal himself to you.

Speaker B

Find Christ.

Speaker B

From there, you will find a Deep, meaningful purpose.

Speaker B

But pursue that.

Speaker B

There's something for you in this world.

Speaker B

You're not here to just float around forever until you die.

Speaker B

There's a purpose for you.

Speaker B

So I would say find Christ.

Speaker B

And after that, find your purpose and pursue that with everything that you have with the utmost character and integrity.

Speaker A

I love it.

Speaker A

Dude.

Speaker A

Would you like to finish with a prayer?

Speaker A

Sure, let's do it.

Speaker B

Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Speaker B

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us sinners.

Speaker B

Lord, I want to praise you and thank you for this day.

Speaker B

I want to praise you and thank you for this new friend of mine and the ability that we could come here and.

Speaker B

And speak and have a fruitful conversation in your name.

Speaker B

Lord, I pray that all things that we do and say and all things in this podcast would have been to the glory of you above all else, Lord, the Lord of the universe that knows all things.

Speaker B

Lord, you have a plan for us and the plan for everybody who watched this show, a plan for Bam and his wife and his family.

Speaker B

I pray for your hand of protection over them.

Speaker B

I pray for your hand of guidance over them.

Speaker B

Lord, I pray that you would preserve Bam and use him for the glory of your kingdom.

Speaker B

Lord, I pray that you would use Bam and wield his life as a sword in your hand against the evils of this world.

Speaker B

I pray that you would use him and guide his steps, that you would give him ultimate discernment and peace and understanding that you are the Lord over all, who has all things in your control.

Speaker B

Lord, I pray that my words would speak through to the people, that they would cut through and deep through to their soul like the sharpness of your word.

Speaker B

I pray all of these things in your son's name, in the name of the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit.

Speaker B

Amen.

Speaker A

Amen.

Speaker A

Dude.

Speaker A

Damn.

Speaker B

Good one.

Speaker A

That was a banger, bro.

Speaker A

Damn.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Never know wild chaos.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

You never know how they're gonna go.

Speaker A

I'm having you back anytime you want.

Speaker B

Yeah, this is.