You've taken on this political figure, let's say, of a voice.
Speaker BWhy are they live streaming it?
Speaker BWhy are they live streaming a genocide?
Speaker BBecause they want to ramp up and build up a global anti Semitism scheme so that Jews worldwide think to themselves, oh, I think I need to go back to my homeland to be safe.
Speaker BAnd that's going to bring a mass migration back to Israel.
Speaker AI don't even think that our audience is ready for that.
Speaker ABut I'm with you.
Speaker AI've been tracking this.
Speaker BIt sounds crazy, but it's actually happening.
Speaker AKind of shifting gears, you've taken on this political figure.
Speaker AI'd say if you don't want to accept it yet or not, it's coming of a voice.
Speaker AAnd when you have a voice on anything on the Internet, you're gonna have a division in it.
Speaker AYou're gonna have your support, then you're gonna have the anti.
Speaker AThat's against everything that you believe in.
Speaker AYou are very strong.
Speaker AAnd I let, I want to really talk about Palestine because you're a, I would say a pro Palestinian activist, right?
Speaker AAnd I don't know if that, that's too much for you.
Speaker AI'm not only.
Speaker AAnd I, and I, and I'd like, I want to have this conversation with.
Speaker ABecause I think Palestine has a lot of major issues.
Speaker AA lot of Middle east do with corruption, government and all this type of stuff.
Speaker ABut I am a hundred percent pro, anti genocide of what's going on in Palestine.
Speaker AI, I will never support any.
Speaker AEven if it's happening to people that we have cursed.
Speaker AThere's no way women and children should be dying the way that they're dying.
Speaker ASo I'm, I'm 100%.
Speaker ABut I don't, I wouldn't consider myself a Palestinian activist because in the way that I feel our own country has so many problems and issues starting with our government.
Speaker AIf I'm going to dive into anything, activist wise, I'm going to support, not support.
Speaker AI'm going to dive into that.
Speaker ASo I want to know what led you because obviously being a veteran, we served our country.
Speaker AWe, we, we bought into the idea that we're defending our country.
Speaker AWe're fighting these foreign wars for.
Speaker ABecause we're patriotic.
Speaker AAt least my generation.
Speaker BWe.
Speaker AWorld Trade Centers fall.
Speaker AEverybody's got to come together.
Speaker AWe're watching Clinton sit there and talk or not Clinton, Bush sit there at the, at the rebel and he's giving a speech and they got the flag behind him.
Speaker AAnd I'm like, there it is.
Speaker AThere's my calling, right I'm going to go defend my country against the Middle East.
Speaker AThese dudes attacked us on our own homeland.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo that's the story that I bit into and I look at it now and I'm like, okay, we've all been lied to.
Speaker AIf they're trying to push this more Middle Eastern war I, I feel is coming again, like that's the target.
Speaker AEspecially with the Muslims in this country and I might catch for saying this and correct me if I'm wrong, I feel most Muslims and Christians don't have beef with each other.
Speaker AObviously there's a division because the, you know, they branch 500 years after Christ.
Speaker AThen we'll go through all that history if we want.
Speaker ASo they have their beliefs, we have ours.
Speaker ABut I feel our government is what puts this huge divide in this, this cloud over the Muslim community.
Speaker AThat when I've traveled the world and I've spent time in the Middle east knowing that I'm a Christian, I've never.
Speaker BHad see something totally different.
Speaker AI've never had problems.
Speaker ANow when we're talking about Dearborn, Michigan and these Muslims this and they're taking over all those places, do I support that?
Speaker ANo, because they're coming here and they're taking over and there's a lot of weird things that are going on.
Speaker AThere's a lot in the most Muslim country in the culture that I don't support like she law and all the stuff that they're trying to push.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo this is where I'm standing with it.
Speaker ABut then if I take a guy like you and this is where I want to pick your brain with like, okay, you've gone to Palestine, you've, you've, you've boots on the ground changed your life.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWhy and how did it start?
Speaker AWhat made you okay, we need, obviously I know the defending of, the murdering of innocent women and children.
Speaker AEverybody should be backing that and trying to have a voice to stop the genocide of anybody.
Speaker AMe personally.
Speaker AThat's just my belief, whoever it is.
Speaker ASo where did this all come in and why, why did this become so passionate for you to stand up for these people and become an activist for them?
Speaker BYeah, for me, I think, and it goes all the way back to my childhood, which your childhood shapes who you are as an adult.
Speaker BMore so than people realize.
Speaker BBut my first like quote unquote red pill moment was looking into 9 11.
Speaker AOh yeah.
Speaker BWhen I was like 13, my brother showed me a documentary about 911 and all of the corruption and all of the like basically conspiracy theories that it was like an inside job.
Speaker BAnd our government had foreshadowing of it and intel of it.
Speaker AElevator contracts.
Speaker AYeah, you can go.
Speaker BBuilding 7 falling at free fall, descent at hours later without being hit by anything.
Speaker AYep.
Speaker BMultiple people inside of the buildings claiming that they heard and felt multiple explosions, thermite debris being found in the wreckage.
Speaker BMultiple other things.
Speaker BSo that was like my first red pill, wake up moment when I was like, in high school.
Speaker BAnd so like I said, I've always been kind of into conspiracy theories and that was my.
Speaker BMy entry into the rabbit hole, so to speak.
Speaker BAnd so all throughout high school, I started looking into, like, who's running the world?
Speaker BWho's, like, running all this corruption and like, starting these wars and like, trying to, you know, follow the money and all this stuff.
Speaker BAnd so I kind of had an idea or I started to look into, like, where do these things originate from?
Speaker BWhere does it lead back to?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd so a lot of what I was looking into would lead back to Israel.
Speaker BSome sort of Israeli involvement, or at the very least, some sort of involvement of a Jewish person were a Zionist.
Speaker BAnd so that struck me as very odd because I was raised in, like I said, a Protestant Christian home.
Speaker BAnd it wasn't an evangelical or Baptist church, which are usually the more like staunch Zionist denominations.
Speaker BBut still, at that same time, I was raised in the Protestant community.
Speaker BAnd the belief that Christians have this biblical obligation to support Israel and Jews is ubiquitous amongst the Protestant sex for the most part.
Speaker BAnd so as I was looking into all this stuff, I'm seeing a miss.
Speaker BA misfire here with our.
Speaker BOur relationship with the Israelis and Jewish people as a whole.
Speaker BAnd I'm starting to look into all this Judeo Christian stuff, and I'm realizing it's nonsense.
Speaker BI'm realizing it's an oxymoron.
Speaker BAnd so I start telling, like, my friends and my family about what I'm researching and discovering.
Speaker BAnd they think I'm crazy, and my parents are thinking I'm crazy.
Speaker BAnd I remember one time, because I started looking into like, the Palestinian stuff and who are the Palestinians and what's the whole thing with the Palestinians and the Israel.
Speaker BAnd I remember one day we were driving, our family was driving home from church or something, and I remember bringing up the conversation and I was just talking about Israel and my mom was like, pushing back, and I was young, probably like 15, 14, and she's pushing back and I'm like, well, look at what they do to the Palestinians.
Speaker BLook at all the stuff they do to them.
Speaker BAnd she cuts me off and she goes, I will never support an Arab Muslim over a Jewish person.
Speaker BBut this was like her old brainwashed way of thinking.
Speaker BShe's come, she's turned a new corner these days.
Speaker BShe's like, on board with me.
Speaker ADamn, that's impressive, Boomers.
Speaker BIt is, yeah, it really is.
Speaker BBut I say that because around that time, I kind of just stopped talking about it because nobody was believing me.
Speaker BThey thought I was crazy.
Speaker BI didn't, I wasn't on social media.
Speaker BSo I just kind of like stopped looking into it and stopped talking about it.
Speaker BSo that sets the stage of like my pretense, my, my mindset before October 7th happens.
Speaker BSo, coincidentally enough, I eased.
Speaker BI got my DD214 one month after October 7th happened.
Speaker BOkay, so I remember we got back from Australia, I was in the chow hall eating my food, and I look up on the TV and I see the news report of October 7th.
Speaker BAnd at that time, you know, when you're esing, you're just focused on getting out and like getting your feet on the ground in the civilian world.
Speaker BSo I looked up at the, the tv, I saw the news reports, and I was like, man, that sucks.
Speaker BThe Palestinians are going to get fucking mollywopped.
Speaker BThey're going to get slaughtered.
Speaker BAnd then I go back to my food and go back to my business.
Speaker BDidn't think too much about it.
Speaker BAnd then I kind of paid attention a little bit as the conflict progressed.
Speaker BBut I remember the first point when I was like, okay, I want to get involved was summer of 2024, when Rafa was getting discriminately bombed.
Speaker BI don't know if you or the viewers are aware of what was going on at that time, but Israel had been basically carpet bombing and blowing the out of Gaza for months.
Speaker BAnd then the Israeli government told the Palestinian civilians to, to go consolidate in the southern part of Gaza, which was Rafa.
Speaker BAnd so they do that.
Speaker BThe Palestinian civilians go and they go to Rafa and it's like a refugee camp there.
Speaker BBig, huge refugee camp.
Speaker BAnd then Israel starts discriminately bombing Rafa over and over and over again.
Speaker BAnd I remember thinking like, okay, this is up.
Speaker BI'm tired of watching this.
Speaker BI want to do something.
Speaker BAnd that's actually a moment in time that red pilled and woke up a lot of people for sure.
Speaker BAnd so I remember thinking like, maybe I should donate or maybe I should see if there's any contracts I can go on into Gaza or something like that.
Speaker BI wanted to do something, but I was looking into it and there was no feasible way at all to get to Gaza.
Speaker BAnd there was really no way for me to get there and do anything.
Speaker BAnd also at that time, I was like, in the process of moving and moving to D.C. and stuff, so I kind of put it on the back burner again.
Speaker BAnd then the final point, final moment, where I was like, okay, I'm going to do something, was the beginning of this year.
Speaker BThey had the last ceasefire before.
Speaker BThis one was right at the time when Trump was.
Speaker BHe won the election.
Speaker BAnd then shortly after Trump won, they had a ceasefire.
Speaker BAnd I remember everybody was like, oh, my gosh, Trump ended the war before he even got into office.
Speaker BThis is amazing.
Speaker BAnd people bought into that bullshit.
Speaker BAnd then a couple months later, probably February, February or March, they started bombing them again, and Israel broke the ceasefire.
Speaker BAnd.
Speaker BAnd then at that point, I was like, okay, this.
Speaker BI'm tired of watching this.
Speaker BI'm tired of watching these dead babies on my phone, on Instagram and see all this, you know, gruesome genocide.
Speaker BI'm going to do something.
Speaker BAnd I didn't want to donate.
Speaker BI didn't want to just send money somewhere.
Speaker BSo through my embassy days, I had a former mentor who now works at the embassy in Jerusalem.
Speaker BHe works for the State Department in Jerusalem.
Speaker BAnd so I hit him up and I was like, hey, I'm tired of watching this.
Speaker BAnd he's on board.
Speaker BYou know, he's pro Palestine, he's anti Israel.
Speaker BHe's trying to do what he can there as somebody at the embassy.
Speaker BAnd so I hit him up and I'm like, I'm tired of watching this, man.
Speaker BI want to do something.
Speaker BDo you know of any organizations that I can go and help out there on the ground?
Speaker BAnd he's like, I don't really know of much that you can do.
Speaker BYou can come and maybe, like, see what's going on, and you can document it, and you can maybe find somewhere to donate money.
Speaker BBut there's not really that many good organizations, because a lot of them will take the money and they'll siphon from the top, and a lot of the money won't actually reach the Palestinians.
Speaker BSo I was like, okay, I'm going to go and I'm just going to, like, document it and figure it out.
Speaker BAt this time, I was already running my Instagram.
Speaker BI started my Instagram only like, a month before then, and I already had, like, 10,000 followers because it picked up quick.
Speaker BAnd so I was like, okay, I've got this small platform.
Speaker BAt the very least, I will go there and Document it and expose what's actually happening.
Speaker BAnd also for me, I want to see for myself.
Speaker AYou're going to be educated.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI want to see firsthand what's actually happening.
Speaker BBecause you're hearing so many different narratives from both sides of what's going on.
Speaker AWho even knows what's real anymore between the media AI.
Speaker BYeah, exactly.
Speaker AThe blatant lies that everybody.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BLike they can push propaganda so quickly and so effectively.
Speaker AIncredible.
Speaker BOn social media.
Speaker BI wanted to just go and remove all of the.
Speaker BThe bickering from either side and go see for myself.
Speaker BAnd so I had a friend's wedding to go to in Dubai in April.
Speaker BSo I was like, okay, I'll go to the wedding, go to Dubai, and then after that I'll hop over to Tel Aviv and then I'll go to Palestine, see what's going on.
Speaker BSo I do that, go to Dubai, go to the wedding, and then I hop over to Tel Aviv, Israel, and I get through because there was a bit of.
Speaker BI was kind of worried that I wasn't going to be led in the country because Israel is.
Speaker BTheir borders are tight and they have surveillance everywhere.
Speaker BI mean, even when you board a departing airport.
Speaker BSo, like, I departed from, what was it, Dubai, right?
Speaker BAnd I leave from Dubai and there's a direct flight to Tel Aviv.
Speaker BAll of the places that have direct flights to Tel Aviv, at those departing airports, they have Mossad agents.
Speaker BOh, for sure.
Speaker BThey have Assad agents at the ticket counter.
Speaker BAnd sometimes they'll ask you questions.
Speaker BThey'll ask you, what are you going there for?
Speaker BWhat are you doing?
Speaker BWhat's your name?
Speaker BWhere do you come from?
Speaker BWhat do you do for work?
Speaker BAnd they'll like, question you.
Speaker BAnd I was given a debrief from the people at the embassy because they're telling me this and they're like, you know, you might be a person of interest because of your military background, you have a top secret clearance, you're, you know, kind of on social media, all this stuff.
Speaker BSo I didn't even know if I was going to get let in the country.
Speaker BBut lo and behold, I got in.
Speaker BI actually showed up on Passover, which is the biggest Jewish holiday.
Speaker BYeah, I showed up during Passover, which was to my benefit, because during Passover, in Jewish law, they're not supposed to work.
Speaker BSo when I got in, there was only one lady working the immigration counter.
Speaker BAnd I think she just got stuck working there on a holiday.
Speaker BAnd she was just kind of letting people in.
Speaker ANon Jew, that's working for them, something like that.
Speaker BDay, something like that.
Speaker BSo when I went through, I had no problems.
Speaker BGrabbed my bag, I went to my hotel in Jerusalem.
Speaker BAnd that first day I met up with my friend from the embassy and he kind of walks me around and he's showing me the old city and he's showing me like all around, getting my bearings and giving me some history lessons and stuff.
Speaker BAnd Jerusalem's a very cool place because the dynamic is very interesting.
Speaker BIt's thousands of years old and it's been inhabited by all three Abrahamic religions for centuries.
Speaker BEven to this day, you still have Muslims, Christians and Jews that live in that city together.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker BBut it's very segregated.
Speaker AThey inside together.
Speaker AI mean, in certain areas.
Speaker AOr is there like hard lines, like gangs, like they get.
Speaker BYeah, it's kind of not gangs, I.
Speaker ADon'T know, but I'm.
Speaker AI'm just the way to describe.
Speaker BThere's hard lines.
Speaker BIt's segregated.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, it is segregated, for sure.
Speaker BThey have the Jewish quarters, the Palestinian quarters, the Armenian quarters and the Muslim quarters.
Speaker BAnd so in the Jewish quarters, yeah, you're only pretty much going to see Jews there, but in the Palestinian quarters you'll see Christians and Muslims and they work together and they live together and they're friends.
Speaker BAnd it's like Christianity and Islam kind of have this peaceful relationship there because they more align on the fact that they're Palestinians and they're living amongst the occupation of the Israelis.
Speaker BSo Christians and Palestinians.
Speaker BI've always tell people, and I get flack for this, for saying that the relationship between Islam and Christianity, especially in Palestine, is peaceful.
Speaker BAnd I've been to seven Muslim countries and I've never experienced prejudice or felt like I was in danger, spit on, spit, spit on or anything like that.
Speaker BWhen I was in any Muslim country like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar, uae, Jordan, Palestine, I've never felt any danger or prejudice from them.
Speaker BThey've always been very hospitable to me, actually.
Speaker BAnd so I go there and the first day, kind of get my bearings, walk around, get some lunch, and then I.
Speaker BWhen I got there, I still had no plan.
Speaker BI had nothing set in concrete of like, what I was going to do, where I was going to go, how I was going to help.
Speaker BBut my thought process was, you can't, you cannot get to Gaza.
Speaker BAt that time, it was like the peak of the, of the war, the genocide.
Speaker BSo they were bombing it every single day.
Speaker BYou couldn't get close, you couldn't get in.
Speaker BThere was nothing for me to do or see there, but I could go to The west bank, okay?
Speaker BAnd the west bank is like literally bordering to Jerusalem.
Speaker BAnd for context, history here in 1967, Israel, during the second Nakba, they occupied and took East Jerusalem.
Speaker BSo technically, per international law in the un, East Jerusalem is still Palestine, but it's fully occupied and run by the Israelis.
Speaker BSame thing with the West Bank.
Speaker BThey took that too, and they occupy it completely.
Speaker BThere's really no governing body in the West Bank.
Speaker BThere's the PA or the plo, but they have almost no authority.
Speaker BAnd so I get there, kind of walk around the first day, get lunch and dinner with my friend.
Speaker AWhat's the vibe like?
Speaker BIt's tense, but beautiful at the same time because it's very interesting because, like, I'm a Christian.
Speaker BAt that time I wasn't like, super, like, strong practicing Christian, but I was still there visiting the Holy Land and like walking where Jesus walked.
Speaker BAnd I went.
Speaker BYeah, it's amazing.
Speaker BIt's breath.
Speaker BLike you can't go anywhere.
Speaker BLike, Egypt was cool and all, but this is cooler because you're walking the Bible.
Speaker AYou could roam it.
Speaker AYeah, you can.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYou literally walk around and like everywhere you go is like a Bible story.
Speaker BIt's really cool.
Speaker BAnd you're literally walking where Jesus walked and, and like died and rose again and lived.
Speaker BIt's very cool.
Speaker AWe want to make this trip so bad.
Speaker BYou have to.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd so I'm at the same time as I'm like trying to be there to document things, I'm taking all that in of where I'm at and I'm trying to be present and like, you know, I go to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, which is where Christ was crucified and buried.
Speaker BI walked the Via de la Rosa, which is the path that he carried the cross.
Speaker BI went to the Mount of Olives, I went to Garden of Gethsemane.
Speaker BI did like, as much touristy stuff that I could with the time that I had in Jerusalem.
Speaker BAnd so then the second day was when I did like my tourist day.
Speaker BBut the third day, I was supposed to be going to the west bank, but I had nothing planned or lined up.
Speaker BAnd I had asked my friend if he could find me a ride or somebody at the least who could at least like, take me there because I didn't have a car.
Speaker BAnd so he tried to find me a taxi driver, but that fell through late that second night.
Speaker BAnd remind, Let me remind you that the third day I was supposed to go, but now it's like nine, ten o' clock at night.
Speaker BMy Second day, and I have nothing planned, nothing lined up.
Speaker BSo I'm like, okay, I'm going to go to the gym, get a workout, go get some dinner and, you know, try to figure something out in the morning.
Speaker BSo I go to the gym, get a lift, and then I go back to.
Speaker BI walk back to the Old City.
Speaker BThe Old City is like, I think it was built in the 1500s.
Speaker BAnd it's very cool because that's where you have the.
Speaker BAll the different quarters.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo you have the Palestinian.
Speaker BThat's where East Jerusalem is.
Speaker BAnd you have the Palestinian, the Armenian, the Muslim and the Jewish quarters all within the old city.
Speaker BIt's very cool.
Speaker BSo I walk back late at night to go get some dinner.
Speaker BI go to a Lebanese place that was still open.
Speaker BOne of the only places open.
Speaker BIt's like 11 o' clock at night.
Speaker BSo I order some food, I eat my food and there's like three or four older Palestinian gentlemen there hanging out and they're just, you know, smoking and joking and talking.
Speaker BI finish my food and then I step out into the street and I pull out my phone.
Speaker BI'm like, okay, you know, I'll just go back to my hotel.
Speaker BI'll sleep, try to wake up early and figure something out in the morning.
Speaker BAnd as I'm typing in my hotel address to walk back, one of the older Palestinian gentlemen taps me on the shoulder and I turn around and he's just, he's smoking a cigarette and he just chops it up with me.
Speaker BHe's just talking, you know, like they are very hospitable, very outgoing and nice.
Speaker BAnd he's asking me like, oh, where are you from?
Speaker BWhat are you doing here?
Speaker BIs this your first time?
Speaker BWhat else are you doing on your trip?
Speaker BAll that stuff.
Speaker BAnd mind you, like, I have kind of like a mindset of counter intelligence or like.
Speaker BYeah, like counter intel while I'm there.
Speaker BBecause I know when you enter the country, they're watching everything.
Speaker BEverything they have.
Speaker BI think it's called the Pegasus system, I believe.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker AOr is that the rockets?
Speaker BNo, that's Iron Dome.
Speaker AI know, but there was something that attached.
Speaker AOkay, you might be.
Speaker AI know.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BEssentially, big brother watching eye in the sky.
Speaker AYes, you're right.
Speaker BThey have your phone.
Speaker BOnce you step foot in that border, your phone is theirs.
Speaker BEverything is theirs.
Speaker BUnless you maybe have like an encrypted, like WhatsApp or Signal chat, but they can still get into it.
Speaker BSo I know this.
Speaker BAnd I also know because I've been debriefed before I go there, that some of the Palestinians have been coerced into basically being informants for the Israelis.
Speaker BAnd they'll do this by saying, if you don't give us information, we'll close down your business, we'll arrest you.
Speaker BSo they're kind of forcing their hand into being like informants on the ground.
Speaker AIt's a big mafia.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd so I know this in my mind as I'm talking to the older Palestinian gentleman, I'm like, okay, I can't really trust him, so I'm going to tread lightly with what I tell him.
Speaker BBut we talk for a while and then he tells me his background and he's like, yeah, I worked for the UN for 30 years and I did all of this.
Speaker BAnd he starts talking about the genocide and he starts opening up and I kind of realized that maybe I can trust him a little more.
Speaker BSo I told him.
Speaker BI was like, well, what I have planned next is tomorrow actually, I was going to go to the west bank, you know, because I'm an American tourist and like, I want to see what's going on.
Speaker BI've never been there.
Speaker BAnd we hear all this stuff in the news in America, so I'm being like vague and stuff still.
Speaker BAnd then he goes, oh, I think my son in law, he might be available.
Speaker BHe takes people to the west bank.
Speaker BAnd so he pulls out his phone, calls his son in law, they start blabbering in Arabic for like five minutes.
Speaker BHe hangs up.
Speaker BAnd then he goes, okay, follow me.
Speaker BAnd so I follow him down like two blocks and we go down this alleyway and his son in law is standing in the middle of the alleyway waiting to meet me at like 11:30 at night.
Speaker BHe introduces me, we introduce the old man, goes home.
Speaker BAnd then that guy invites me into his house and I go up like 11:30 at night, old city of Jerusalem, into this Christian Palestinian guy's house.
Speaker BAnd we start talking.
Speaker BHe gives me tea, I meet his family, his dogs are hanging out.
Speaker BWe're just sitting in his living room, like visiting and talking.
Speaker BAnd he's like, okay, so what do you want to do?
Speaker BDo you, you want to go to the West Bank?
Speaker BAnd I'm like, yeah, I want to go.
Speaker BI'm a Christian American tourist.
Speaker BI want to go visit all the holy sites and all that stuff.
Speaker BAnd then again, like, and I have this preset in my mind to not trust people.
Speaker BBut he starts, you know, warming up and then I tell him, like, but I also want to go and see, like, what's going on because we get all this news back in America.
Speaker BI want to see the truth.
Speaker BAnd he kind of like leans forward and he gets it and he tells me, I can take you and I can show you the truth is that the moment, that's the moment he clicked in him and in me.
Speaker BAnd so then I was like, yeah, basically, like, I unloaded and I was like, I want to go and I want to see and I want to talk to Palestinians.
Speaker BAnd I, you know, I said, if you're comfortable with it, I want you to take me to like the roughest parts.
Speaker BI really want to see what's going on for sure.
Speaker BAnd he was down to clown.
Speaker BHe was down to go.
Speaker BBecause this, this guy, he goes to the west bank almost every day tourist wise.
Speaker BTourist wise.
Speaker AHe is he just taking tourist tour.
Speaker BLike sometimes that's his, that's kind of his side business.
Speaker BBut he goes to help out people.
Speaker BOh, he's been doing this for decades.
Speaker BBecause the way it works is the Palestinians in the west bank can't leave.
Speaker BIt really, really is an open air prison.
Speaker BThey cannot leave the West Bank.
Speaker BAnd so he can go to and from, so he can take the money, he can take them supplies, he can take them food or whatever they need.
Speaker BAnd so that's just what he does.
Speaker BAnd I didn't know that at the time, but he, that night when I went back to my hotel, he set up nine meetups with nine different families in the west bank for us to go visit and talk to and get their stories.
Speaker BAnd so I wake up early that next morning at like 7.
Speaker BHe comes with his car and picks me up.
Speaker BWe go straight to the West Bank.
Speaker BOnce you cross over into the west bank from Jerusalem, you are going into another country.
Speaker BBut it almost doesn't feel like it because it's, it is occupied by the Israeli government and the Israeli military.
Speaker B100 checkpoints and all those 702 checkpoints in the West Bank.
Speaker BLast time I remember, Holy.
Speaker BAnd if you know the Holy Land, the entirety of the Holy Land is the size of New Jersey.
Speaker BThe west bank is a tiny little chunk of that.
Speaker BSo to have 702 checkpoints in the west bank is insane.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker BThey're checking vehicles.
Speaker BThey're, they're, they will cordon off and they have fences and walls, barbed wire fences around entire villages and neighborhoods.
Speaker BAnd they'll close the gates and literally leave them in their town for days at a time.
Speaker BIf they don't want to, like man the checkpoint, they'll just lock them in their gates.
Speaker BIn their neighborhoods.
Speaker BI have videos of this.
Speaker BI have pictures.
Speaker BWe visited some of these refugee camps.
Speaker BRefugee camps.
Speaker BBecause what happens is there's like over 700 Israeli settlers illegally occupying and living in the west bank right now.
Speaker BAnd there's more and more coming every single month.
Speaker BBut these illegal Israeli settlers are occupying foreign territory.
Speaker BThe west bank is Palestine, internationally recognized as Palestine.
Speaker BAnd the Israelis have been told that they are not allowed to do this, but they do it anyway.
Speaker BAnd they can get away with it.
Speaker BThey can get away with anything they want to do.
Speaker BSo there's like 700 and some thousand Israelis illegally occupying the West Bank.
Speaker BBut what they have to do is they have to bulldoze, demolish Palestinian towns and villages to build atop them, nicer neighborhoods and nicer villages and towns.
Speaker BAnd so we would be driving through and my guide would be pointing out, okay, that's a Palestinian village over there.
Speaker BThat's an Israeli settlement over there.
Speaker BAnd you could see the clear difference.
Speaker BIt was like a slum hole with a barbed wire fence around it and like brick mortar buildings and then a nice barber shop, grocery store, gas station.
Speaker BNice little town for the Israelis.
Speaker AI feel like we're funding this.
Speaker BOh, we are.
Speaker BWe are.
Speaker BI can get into that too, because.
Speaker BSo the first place we went was a.
Speaker BWas a place called Shiloh.
Speaker BIt's actually very cool because Shiloh is the place where the tabernacle was in the Ark of the Covenant.
Speaker BIt's very cool.
Speaker BBut that is also very important to the Jewish people in the modern day Jewish religion.
Speaker BSo they occupy and run that historical site.
Speaker BSo we go there, and that was like a tourist historical site that he wanted to show me.
Speaker BAnd you can see, like old ruins of Byzantine era churches.
Speaker BIt's very cool.
Speaker BAnd then you can see the actual site, the plot of ground where the tabernacle was.
Speaker BSo we went there.
Speaker BThat was all run by Israelis.
Speaker BBut the interesting thing about when we were there is I saw two Israeli fathers and husbands.
Speaker BThey were with their family in civilian attire in the West Bank.
Speaker BSettlers illegally occupying the West bank.
Speaker BAnd they had M4 slung just in civies with the M4 con one slung around their shoulder.
Speaker BAnd you see that in.
Speaker BIn Jerusalem too.
Speaker BLike, the Israelis are allowed to carry and bear arms.
Speaker BThe Palestinians are not.
Speaker BAnd so you will literally see, just you'll be walking around Jerusalem and you'll see a random guy in civvies with M4.
Speaker BGuess who pays for those M4s?
Speaker AWe do.
Speaker BWe do.
Speaker BBecause I asked my friend at the embassy.
Speaker BI told him about it when I came back later that night, and he told me that essentially what happened was during Biden's administration, we gave them a bunch of weapons during the war, at the beginning of the war.
Speaker BAnd These weapons, these M4S rifles, were said to be used for the IDF, for the war.
Speaker AAnd they just handed them out, but.
Speaker BThey had so many that Ben Gavir, the security administer, who's a crazy far right, far radical, like genocidal maniac Zionist, he decided to take those rifles and hand them out to the Israeli settlers in the west bank who are illegally occupying a foreign country.
Speaker AProtect themselves.
Speaker BProtect them.
Speaker BAnd so what happened was he put this on the media.
Speaker BIt was like a big thing in the Israeli news.
Speaker BHe was standing there on camera handing out rifles and smiling and stuff in the West Bank.
Speaker BAnd actually Biden put sanctions on them after that.
Speaker BWhen Trump got in, he.
Speaker BHe lifted the sanctions, and now they get more rifles.
Speaker BSo we fund.
Speaker BWe actually fund the Israeli settlers and we give them their weapons in the West Bank.
Speaker BAnd the crazy thing on top of that is these same settlers have killed American citizens.
Speaker BThose rifles that those American citizens paid for with their fucking tax dollars.
Speaker AMake it make sense, my dude.
Speaker AMake it make sense.
Speaker BThree days before I showed up, there were three boys, teenage boys, 13 to 14 years old, that were shot.
Speaker BTwo of them were killed.
Speaker BTwo of them were American Palestinians, and one of them was just a Palestinian.
Speaker BSo, like, Palestinian Americans will go back and visit family and stuff.
Speaker BIt's very common.
Speaker BAnd so these two American Palestinian boys were just back there visiting their aunts and uncles, and that was their cousin.
Speaker BSo the story of what went down was essentially the report that the US Embassy got was that these boys were throwing rocks and endangering civilians, which is usually the scapegoats that they'll say when they want to just shoot Palestinians for fun.
Speaker BThey're throwing rocks, endangering civilians.
Speaker BSo we had to open up on them.
Speaker BThey unloaded three mags on these boys, three mags who were throwing rocks.
Speaker BAnd this was like in a secluded part.
Speaker BLike they were just by a road.
Speaker APile of rubble, field.
Speaker BYeah, exactly.
Speaker BAnd so apparently they were throwing rocks at cars on the highway, and they had to be opened up on with three mags.
Speaker BAnd they shot these two American boys.
Speaker BThey killed one on site.
Speaker BThey shot him like five times.
Speaker BHe's dead on site.
Speaker BThe other American boy had to go to the hospital.
Speaker BLast time I knew he was in critical condition, but his injuries were.
Speaker BHe got shot in.
Speaker BIn the lower abdomen, ruptured his spleen.
Speaker BHe got shot in the thigh.
Speaker BHe got shot in the upper shoulder, and he got shot in the groin.
Speaker BAnd it basically castrated him.
Speaker BThat was an American boy, American citizen, American passport, and he was shot with a rifle that his parents paid for with their tax dollars.
Speaker AAnd here we are.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd our government won't do anything to stop it or hold them accountable.
Speaker ALike, I mean, we all know why, because they own us.
Speaker ABut, like, how has it gotten this bad?
Speaker AHow is it this ridiculous that they're deleting anybody with a voice on this to hush this?
Speaker ALike, when in history have the good guys silenced anybody?
Speaker AWhen in.
Speaker ALike, when in history have the.
Speaker AIf the people that are doing the right thing are doing everything they can to silence.
Speaker AEvery single voice is speaking against them.
Speaker BAnd the crazy thing is that's not an isolated incident at all, man.
Speaker BMany Americans have been shot and killed there.
Speaker BMainly Palestinian Americans, because, listen, if they shoot me.
Speaker AAway with it.
Speaker BIf they shoot me a white American Marine Corps veteran with a TS clearance, all that stuff, it might be a headline story.
Speaker BBut if they shoot some little brown kid who's American, who gives a.
Speaker BThat's their opinion.
Speaker BAnd so there's, like, over.
Speaker BThere's thousands of American prisoners in Israeli prison right now for stuff like throwing rocks or taking pictures of military vehicles or flying a Palestinian flag.
Speaker BThey can't fly their own flags in their own country.
Speaker BWhen you drive around all the main roads and the highways, the roads are littered with.
Speaker BWith Israeli flags.
Speaker BThis is in a foreign country.
Speaker BThat's like Mexicans coming to America, occupying us and then flying a bunch of Mexican flags and arresting us.
Speaker BIf we prop up an American flag in our own country, for sure that's what they're doing.
Speaker BSo there's thousands of American prisoners of war essentially still there, and we can't get them out because Israel won't let them out.
Speaker BAnd our Congress won't pressure them.
Speaker BThe embassy won't pressure them that much.
Speaker BThey might.
Speaker BYou know, some people from the political office are like, my friends there are trying to do what they can.
Speaker BBut, like, the ambassador, Mike Huckaby does not care.
Speaker BHe's super pro.
Speaker BPro Israel, pro Zionist.
Speaker ATaking that APAC money.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BSo that was like, day one.
Speaker BThat was like my introduction.
Speaker AThat's day one.
Speaker BThat's day one.
Speaker BBut I mean, there's more that happened on day one because we.
Speaker BAfter we left Shiloh, we went to a couple towns, Nablos and Janine, which are some of the worst towns.
Speaker BAnd we met up with a guy, I think, in Nablus.
Speaker BHe was A Palestinian that lived there and he's a Orthodox Christian, lives in Nablus.
Speaker BWe met up with him and then we went and visited.
Speaker BI think that day we visited six families.
Speaker BSo we went and visited with six different Palestinian families, both Muslim and Christians, all throughout the West Bank.
Speaker BAnd we just went and like we dropped off some food and money when we went, but then we would just sit and visit because I told my, my guide, who, by the way, there's this guy, this Palestinian guy who helped me out.
Speaker BI'm like this with him, like very close friends to this day.
Speaker BAnd I have a fundraiser for the west bank that he helps me run.
Speaker BHe's like the, the guy on the ground that distributes the aid that I send.
Speaker BSo very close with him, very good friend.
Speaker BBut anyways, so he takes me to all the people's houses and some of them speak a little English, but he's kind of translating Arabic and English.
Speaker BAnd I'm just like visiting and talking with them and getting their stories and figuring out what life is like in the West Bank.
Speaker BWhat's life like living amongst Christians and Muslims?
Speaker BWhat is life like living in the west bank under Israeli occupation?
Speaker BI'm just getting all their stories and they all kind of correlate.
Speaker BThey're all kind of the same story.
Speaker BOne of the biggest, like the problem that was congruent through all the families is the lack of work or no work, like no income.
Speaker ATrapped.
Speaker BThey're trapped.
Speaker BThey can't leave.
Speaker AThere's nothing to work on.
Speaker BI mean, there's nothing to work on.
Speaker BI mean, some of these guys and in these households you would have like all the kids, no matter the age, the parents, grandparents, cousins, like extended families all living under one roof because they need to combine resources just to survive.
Speaker BIt's a dystopian world over there.
Speaker B100 and for example, like I would meet some guys that had backgrounds in like construction or like some sort of blue collar job expertise, but they couldn't work because it's illegal.
Speaker BLike they can't get building licenses, they cannot get a permit to, they can't get a permit to build in their own country because they have to get it from Israel.
Speaker BAnd Israel doesn't want them to build because Israel wants them to be pushed out so that they can occupy it.
Speaker AWhat's the big push?
Speaker AWhy at the end of the day, why is Israel trying to just that little strip?
Speaker AWhat, what is, what, why is this such a force and such a push and such a focus for Israel to have that little strip?
Speaker BIt's a long answer, to be honest.
Speaker AOkay, Cliff note.
Speaker AElevator pitch, I guess.
Speaker BSure.
Speaker BSo they have an agenda for what's called Greater Israel?
Speaker AYep.
Speaker BSome people, not so much anymore.
Speaker BBut it has been known as a conspiracy theory.
Speaker BBut people from the Likud Party, Netanyahu, Ben gvir, people from his party, they talk about it openly.
Speaker BYeah, Zionists, they talk about Greater Israel all the time.
Speaker BEssentially, what Greater Israel is, is the Jewish people globally want their homeland, their homeland back.
Speaker BThis all ties back into the Jewish prophecy of the, of the coming of their Messiah, which is actually the Christian Antichrist.
Speaker BBut what they want, what they want is all of Gaza, all of the West Bank.
Speaker BAnd the reason that they basically nuked Gaza is because the Gazans have no ability to rebuild.
Speaker BSo now they're going to have to let people come back in and rebuild their stuff.
Speaker BBut when they do that, they forfeit their land.
Speaker BSo they either have to live in rubble and try to rebuild rubble with no money and no resources, or they have to let foreign people come in and rebuild and occupy their land.
Speaker BSo Gaza is screwed.
Speaker BThe west bank they're trying to annex, they've been voting on it.
Speaker BThey're trying to annex it.
Speaker BSometimes the UN votes on it.
Speaker BThe US always vetoes it because the, the US will allow them to annex it.
Speaker BThe US will allow them to push further into the West Bank.
Speaker BBut the pro, the, the, the idea, the big plan, the big scheme is to build Greater Israel, which goes further past the Holy Land.
Speaker BToday it goes all the way into Jordan and Lebanon for sure.
Speaker BAlso parts of Egypt.
Speaker BThis is a very big plan that they have.
Speaker BThe reason they want Greater Israel, it goes very deep, but they want all of the Jewish people globally to consolidate back into Israel, the Holy Land, and they need all of Greater Israel to do that.
Speaker BThis is actually a theory of mine as to why they're allowing people like me and other influencers to speak about what's going on.
Speaker BThis is why they're allowing videos and pictures from Gaza to come out.
Speaker BWhy, why are they live streaming a genocide?
Speaker BIf they wanted to genocide the Palestinians, they could poison their water supply.
Speaker BThey could, they could slaughter them overnight if they really wanted to and just take it.
Speaker BWhy are they live streaming it?
Speaker BBecause they want to ramp up and build up a global anti Semitism scheme and mainstream narrative so that Jews worldwide think to themselves, in Europe, in Asia, in the Middle east and in America, oh, there's so much anti Semitism going on.
Speaker BI think I need to go back to my homeland to be safe.
Speaker BAnd that's going to bring a mass migration back to Israel.
Speaker BAlso.
Speaker BThey want to push and propagate this anti Semitism narrative so that people will support that mass migration because they might say, oh, Jews are not safe anywhere else.
Speaker BThey need to go back to their homeland.
Speaker BAnd they're bombing Lebanon.
Speaker BThey're bombing Lebanon almost daily.
Speaker BSo this is their, their whole grand scheme is to prop up and build up and basically fabricate a global sense of anti Semitism to make people want to go back and to get the global perspective to accept it, to say, yeah, it's probably not safe for them here in America, they should probably go back.
Speaker BAnd then also to occupy more land so they have land for those people.
Speaker BBecause essentially all of the Jewish people need to consolidate back into the Holy land.
Speaker BThere's a couple more prophecies, Jewish prophecies that need to be fulfilled in order for their Messiah to come and save them and basically enslave the goyim or the gentiles.
Speaker BThis is in the Talmud.
Speaker BWhat.
Speaker AWhich is what we are.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BIf you're a non Jew, you're.
Speaker BYou're a gentile.
Speaker BAnd so what they need is they need Greater Israel.
Speaker BThey need all of west bank, all of Gaza.
Speaker BContinue consolidating, building Greater Israel.
Speaker BWhat they also need is they need five red heifers.
Speaker BThis is a prophecy.
Speaker AWhich they just did, right?
Speaker AThe burn.
Speaker ADidn't they just do this recently?
Speaker BYeah, they've, they, they've bought a couple.
Speaker BI think they have three.
Speaker BIt's very weird.
Speaker BThey got them from Texas and they paid like $500,000 per cow.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AThis is a whole.
Speaker AI don't even think this, our audience is ready for that.
Speaker ABut I'm with you.
Speaker AI've been tracking this.
Speaker AI thought they just.
Speaker BIt sounds crazy, but it's actually happening.
Speaker BIt sounds, it sounds like we're tinfoil hat wearing psychos.
Speaker AWe should go get some tin hat for the rest of this conversation and just wrap our heads in it.
Speaker ABut yeah, I just, I just.
Speaker AAbout a month ago, two months ago, was digging into the red heifers and they have three out of the five.
Speaker AThey have.
Speaker BI think it was three.
Speaker AAnd they gotta burn them, correct?
Speaker BYeah, they have to like burn them.
Speaker BAnd then.
Speaker BActually, do you know Myron Gaines?
Speaker ANo.
Speaker BOkay, but your audience probably knows who he is.
Speaker BI had him on my podcast, my YouTube dude, right?
Speaker BMuslim American.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AYeah, I don't know him personally, but yeah, I know him.
Speaker BYeah, very like voice burst, hyperbolic character.
Speaker BAnyways, I did an interview with him like a month ago.
Speaker BAnd he was telling me that on the Tim Pool podcast, somebody actually brought some of the ashes from one of those red heifers.
Speaker BSo, yeah, they have to, like, burn them or they have.
Speaker BHave to have, I believe, five, but they have, like, three already.
Speaker BThey're essentially trying to fabricate and expedite prophecy to bring back or to bring the coming of their Messiah, which a.
Speaker ALot of people say is Trump or Jared Kushner.
Speaker AOkay, okay.
Speaker BThat one's been circulating since Trump's first term.
Speaker BYeah, Jared, I don't know about that.
Speaker BI haven't looked into that.
Speaker BBut what they also need is they need to destroy Al Aqsa Mosque, which is the Dome of the Rock, which is in Jerusalem, which is the holy site for the Muslims, which is where they think Abraham was about to sacrifice Ishmael in the Bible.
Speaker BHe was going to sacrifice Isaac, but the Muslims kind of twisted the narrative and say it was Ishmael.
Speaker BBut anyways, this is one of the most holy sites in all of Islam.
Speaker AThey're gonna.
Speaker BThey need to destroy that 100.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BIt will happen probably in my lifetime, to be honest.
Speaker BThey're actually.
Speaker BI've heard stories about them, like hollowing out the bottom of the mosque so that it will collapse on itself also.
Speaker BThat is a part of the Muslim quarters.
Speaker BBut where the mosque is is literally on the other side of the Western Wall, the Wailing Wall.
Speaker BSo when you go to the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, you stand there and you see this big wall where all.
Speaker AOur politicians go and.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker AAnd sell their soul.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BEssentially where they sign the deal with the devil.
Speaker BRight there.
Speaker BBut if you look over it, that's where Al Aqsa Mosque is.
Speaker BNo, that's where they need to build a temple, because that's where they think the second temple was destroyed.
Speaker BThey need to.
Speaker BThey need to rebuild that plot of land.
Speaker BBut that plot of land is occupied by Alaka Mosque right now.
Speaker BSo Interesting.
Speaker BThat mosque has to be destroyed.
Speaker BIn their minds, the Muslims are not just going to give it up.
Speaker AOh, hell no.
Speaker BSo that prophecy has to be fulfilled.
Speaker BA couple others that I'm forgetting right now.
Speaker BBut they need all of these things to be fulfilled.
Speaker BSo they're trying to fabricate it and bring about their Messiah or our Antichrist.
Speaker BCrazy thing is, Christian Zionists are supporting this.
Speaker AOkay, this is the craziest part to me now.
Speaker ALet me rephrase that.
Speaker AThere's a lot which I'm sure you.
Speaker AYou're years ahead of me on this trail.
Speaker AThe fact that we have Christians knowingly that Israel is paying money to push an agenda through Christian churches.
Speaker AThe lists have come out.
Speaker AI'm sure you've seen these, these churches.
Speaker BHere in the tracking of phones at churches here in America to push a.
Speaker APropaganda and push an agenda in these Christian churches.
Speaker AAnd the fact that these people know this and that there's pastors standing on stage saying that we need to stand arm in arm with Israel as they slaughter women and children.
Speaker AI don't care what is going on.
Speaker ALike how as us as Christians support that and how do we feel like how are we supposed to sit here and be like, oh yeah, this is the right way?
Speaker BWell, you have to understand the psychology behind Christian Zionists.
Speaker BAnd this is where I've received a lot of backlash from the pro Palestinian movement because I talk too much about Judaism.
Speaker BThis is seen as controversial.
Speaker BBut here's my thing.
Speaker BIt's like if you want Palestine to be free, you need to stop trying to put band aids on massive hemorrhaging and attack the root issue.
Speaker AAbsolutely.
Speaker BAnd so one of the biggest propagators and funders of Israel and supporters is the Christian Zionists here in the West.
Speaker AHow, how are we supporting that?
Speaker BOh, there's multiple huge organizations, Christian Zionist organizations that collect and donate billions of dollars for Israel on top of everything else that our government gives them.
Speaker BAlso just the support of the people.
Speaker BWe're, you know, those people are going to vote for a politician that is pro Israel and so they have the mainstream, I mean it's, the pendulum is swinging.
Speaker BBut they've always had the mainstream support of the Christians in America.
Speaker BAnd so if those people don't go away or if they don't change their mindset on this, that's going to continue.
Speaker BThat's never going to go away.
Speaker BThey're going to get that support.
Speaker BThey're going to, we're going to prop up politicians that support Israel.
Speaker BThey're going to keep funding them.
Speaker AMassive shift right now there is a massive shift which is great.
Speaker AWe need the shift because for a million reasons, not only just the horrific genocide that's happening over there, but the control of our own country.
Speaker AAnd if we do not get this un unfucked quick, we are, I feel we're beyond as it is.
Speaker BOh yeah.
Speaker AI don't know how we recover from where we're at because the, these, the, the Israel is so rooted into everything in our country.
Speaker AThey have their little just vile hands in everything.
Speaker AIt's like how do we, how do we move forward with that?
Speaker AHow do we push forward where Christians are Waking up.
Speaker AObviously, there's a.
Speaker ALike you said, the pendulum, swift.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AShift is massive.
Speaker ABut it's going to take another generation.
Speaker AIt's going to take the boomers completely gone.
Speaker AThe millennials, my era were waking up to it.
Speaker AAnd this is kind of goes full circle back to why I wanted to have you on this conversation is it's going to come down to the beginning of your.
Speaker AYour guys's generation is going to start this crusade.
Speaker BYeah, I talk about that a lot.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ASo, I mean, if you got more.
Speaker AI want to.
Speaker AI don't want to skip over anything that you're.
Speaker AYou're going into, but, like, this is just how I feel.
Speaker AIt's like, where do we go from here?
Speaker AAnd we can't trust any politician.
Speaker AThere's.
Speaker AThey're completely bought.
Speaker BNo, we'll never vote our way out of this trip.
Speaker AI don't even want to say what I have to say.
Speaker ABut our politicians are bought.
Speaker AWe can't trust anybody anymore.
Speaker AThere's no left.
Speaker AThere's no right.
Speaker AIt's just Israel that owns our government.
Speaker ASo the fact that, like, once you hit that phase of your life where now you can look.
Speaker AYou can look at the left in the right fighting from.
Speaker AI don't want to say like a pedestal, but I now, because, dude, I'll.
Speaker AI'll be the first to admit it.
Speaker AI voted for Trump.
Speaker AWhen I say lesser to evil, I hate saying that because now when I look at them, like, holy fuck, there's.
Speaker AIt's all evil.
Speaker ASo it's like, where do we go from here?
Speaker AWho?
Speaker AJ.D.
Speaker Avance.
Speaker AHe's.
Speaker BHe's worse.
Speaker BHe'll be worse.
Speaker AAnd so this is where, like, where do we.
Speaker ABecause people, you know, they reach out to me, like, dude, who do we vote for?
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker ALike, I don't know.
Speaker ABecause as long as they're taking.
Speaker AHow do we vote?
Speaker ADo we need to start just going back to an uprising where us as the.
Speaker AThe people, we.
Speaker AThe people take our country back and we have to physically start removing these people?
Speaker BYeah, I mean, I've thought about that.
Speaker BI don't think it's.
Speaker BI don't think it needs to.
Speaker BI don't think it has to.
Speaker BI don't think it will want it to.
Speaker AI mean, I'll do it, I think.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI don't think really anyone wants it to get to that point.
Speaker BAnd I don't think that's going to solve the problem.
Speaker AVoted out.
Speaker AWhat's our other option?
Speaker BThey're so.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BIf you can imagine.
Speaker BIf Any group, like if a militia group here in America tried to take up arms and like have a siege on the Capitol or something like January 6th.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BThe propaganda campaign that would come out out of that, they would be done in a month for sure.
Speaker BIt would be squashed right there and then that would be the one thing to justify global or nationwide super surveillance.
Speaker BSuper surveillance.
Speaker BThat would give them the go ahead.
Speaker BThey're already doing it.
Speaker BYes, they are.
Speaker BBut that would further justify this technocratic oligarchy system of like Palantir being all in our business.
Speaker BAnd it would essentially be another patriot act times 10.
Speaker BSo that probably should.
Speaker BThat definitely should not happen.
Speaker BThat could even be like a false flag thing that might be leveraged.
Speaker BI'm not saying it is, but like, I'm just saying that's not where we need to go.
Speaker BMy whole thing is like.
Speaker BAnd I talked about this a couple nights ago on the last pod that I was on, but I asked the two guys that I was with, and they're both very smart on this topic.
Speaker BI was like, I asked them essentially the same question, is like, where do you think we go?
Speaker BHow do you think we solve this?
Speaker BBecause we're not going to vote our way out of it.
Speaker BIt.
Speaker BAnd to be honest, both of those guys, they, their answers were almost like, I think we're just too far gone and we basically have to survive as long as we can on the sinking ship.
Speaker BWhereas my answer was different.
Speaker AWe gotta fight to the end.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BMy answer was, for the first time ever, we're seeing a mainstream narrative shift.
Speaker BThe pendulum has swung.
Speaker BAnd now my generation has been fed up with the, and all of the shitstorm coming down from the boomers, Gen X and the beginning of millennials because they dropped the ball.
Speaker BThey allowed Israel to occupy us far too much.
Speaker BThey propagated wars in the Middle east that destabilized the Middle east and opened up the borders here in America.
Speaker BAll this destabilization of America, all of this debt that we're going into, and now who has to deal with that mess?
Speaker BMe, her, and our generation.
Speaker BAnd we're sick of it.
Speaker BAnd here's the thing.
Speaker BI don't care what I say, I don't care what people don't like that comes out of my mouth, because you are gonna die and I'm gonna have to deal with the shitstorm that you gave me.
Speaker BSo what my I'm not going to do is allow myself to be complicit and have my kids and my grandchildren deal with the same up mess that you gave me.
Speaker BThat's my, that's my position on this.
Speaker BAnd I see for the first time in a very long time, since probably the 1930s or 40s, a mainstream big shift in the narrative where people are actually waking up.
Speaker BSo we're not going to vote our way out of this mess.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BWe can wait until Gen Z is of course, you know, voting age or like the age to run for president or Congress or whatever.
Speaker BBut I still don't think that's going to fix it.
Speaker BWhat we need to do is play the same game that they've been playing for centuries.
Speaker BAnd we need to prop ourselves up in positions of power in, in politics and finance, in the education industry, in the entertainment industry, in the media, in the oligarchy circles, the technocratic circles, all of these spheres.
Speaker BWe need to fill those gaps and take back those positions of power.
Speaker BThat's how we change it.
Speaker BBut is that going to change?
Speaker BAnd what extent is that going to change?
Speaker BI don't know.
Speaker BWhen is it going to change?
Speaker BI don't know.
Speaker BBut as a Christian, I do recognize that there is end time prophecy.
Speaker BI think I know that Christ will return.
Speaker BAnd before he returns, the world's going to be a very ugly place.
Speaker BI don't know if that's where we're headed and that's just what's left for the world.
Speaker BBut I'll be damned if I'm not going to try and do something with, with my life.
Speaker BThat's where I stand for sure.
Speaker AGood for you for that.
Speaker AAnd that's where I'm at.
Speaker AIt's like, okay, like, I'm not going to just say, be like, well, they own us.
Speaker AThis is it.
Speaker AI guess this is our future.
Speaker AThat, bro, I didn't defend this country.
Speaker AI didn't, I didn't.
Speaker AI'm not doing everything I can to raise kids to just roll over because, well, they own us.
Speaker AIt's our politicians.
Speaker AIt's like.
Speaker AAnd that's where my mind kind of goes.
Speaker ALike, obviously at the end of the day, like, nobody wants bloodshed because it's, it's a horrible thing.
Speaker ABut it's like, is it going to come to that where we as an American society, we come together and realize our politicians are raping us on everything.
Speaker AThey're, they're sitting here, the fact, literally raping us.
Speaker AThe Epstein files, literally raping and using our children for anything that they want.
Speaker AExplain to me that we're sitting here voting for politicians.
Speaker ABut meanwhile, the United States were the number one consumer and producer of child pornography.
Speaker AAnd child trafficking.
Speaker AAnd you're telling me this is the greatest country in the world.
Speaker AGet out of here, bro.
Speaker AWhere our politicians bend the knee, they kiss the wall.
Speaker AWe're using children for leverage on everything.
Speaker AIt's like, when are we going to wake up as a country?
Speaker ABe like, you're done, you're out of office.
Speaker AI think it was with the Philippines or who was it recently just had like this huge coup.
Speaker AThey're beating politicians in the street and dragging Nepal.
Speaker AYeah, okay.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo Nepal.
Speaker AI mean, it's like, is that what it's going to have to come to here?
Speaker AWhere you're gonna be like, okay, here's my resume.
Speaker AI've never been on only fans.
Speaker AI don't take money from apac.
Speaker ALike, you gotta.
Speaker ALike, yeah, we trust you.
Speaker AIs it going to be Dan Bulzerian that has a voice that doesn't give a.
Speaker AThat he's gonna have to do it because we know that he's not gonna take money from anybody.
Speaker ALike, is that.
Speaker AYeah, I'm boys with Dan, so I'm not.
Speaker AThere's not.
Speaker AIt's not a knock at Dan.
Speaker ADan and I go back years, but, like.
Speaker BOh, really?
Speaker AOh, yeah, dude, I've done Dan.
Speaker BYeah, I. I met him, I mean, online, like, five, six months ago.
Speaker BBut I was.
Speaker BI was at his place a couple months ago.
Speaker AI do.
Speaker AI talked to animals every day.
Speaker ASo he's.
Speaker AHe's a homie.
Speaker ASo, like.
Speaker AAnd I talked to him like, bro, I got to vote for you for president because you only do.
Speaker AI can.
Speaker AThat not going to take money and sell out, like, do.
Speaker AIs that our future of this, of America is that we're going to start having to vote on people that we have no.
Speaker AWe just trust because they've never taken money or we.
Speaker AIs it going to get to a point where we're ripping politicians out of their mansions as people are starving in the streets here and they're laughing at us?
Speaker AAll their insider trading, all the taxes, all the money they're getting kickback from, like, where do we go?
Speaker AIs just like a waiting game.
Speaker ABecause as long as Israel is who they are and in control of what they are, how do we retake the media?
Speaker AHow do we retake the platforms?
Speaker AI mean, they just bought TikTok.
Speaker AHe's a buddy of yours.
Speaker AHe just got deleted and went to jail.
Speaker AHe was a huge.
Speaker BHe's had a Kenny Ko.
Speaker AKenny, right?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AThey just deleted all his platforms overnight.
Speaker ASo it's like, how do we get to the point where guys can have free speech and actually talk on topics without getting filtered anymore.
Speaker ABecause now they own TikTok, they own Meta, they own everything.
Speaker AHow do we do this without bloodshed and just showing them, hey, this is America and this is who the we are.
Speaker AWe're not gonna let you own us anymore.
Speaker ALike, that's where my mind goes, is where the generation I'm raised.
Speaker ABecause is it going to be my kids fighting in the streets for this?
Speaker AFor freedom, for true freedom.
Speaker AWe pay taxes on the money we make.
Speaker AWe mean taxes on money we set.
Speaker AWe save.
Speaker ASell a house, pay taxes, buy a house, pay taxes, buy a car.
Speaker AWe're taxed on everything.
Speaker AAnd we went to war over what to do.
Speaker AA 2% on tea or whatever the.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker BWe.
Speaker BWe started revolutions for way less than this.
Speaker AAnd now it's like we're so imm.
Speaker BBut that's not.
Speaker BThat's not in the blood of Americans today.
Speaker BThey don't have the stomachs for that.
Speaker ANo, it's not.
Speaker BYeah, they're too.
Speaker AThis right here, dude.
Speaker BWe're.
Speaker AWe're comfortable.
Speaker BThat's their plan too.
Speaker BTo keep us locked into this goy slop.
Speaker BTo keep us locked into slobs.
Speaker BNonsense.
Speaker BThe porn industry.
Speaker BThe.
Speaker BThe.
Speaker BThe.
Speaker BThe subversion of our western society.
Speaker BWestern culture.
Speaker BThe destruction of the nuclear family.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BThe structure.
Speaker BDestruction of men with porn addictions and all of these things.
Speaker BHigh taxes.
Speaker BWe're taxed out the ass.
Speaker BIt's hard to get a job.
Speaker BEven if you have a job.
Speaker BIt's impossible to buy a house.
Speaker BYou don't want to have kids because everything's so expensive.
Speaker AWhere's the breaking point to where we did we just reset?
Speaker AWhere I want to be friends with my neighbors again.
Speaker AWe.
Speaker AWe have these communities.
Speaker ALike, where's the breaking point where we just 100 year reset and we're starting over.
Speaker BThey have too strong of a grip over the propaganda campaign to have us unite.
Speaker BI don't think the left and the right will ever unite.
Speaker AThat's the problem.
Speaker BI just don't think that's possible because people are too sucked into the game that they have us playing.
Speaker BYou know, it's like they shake up the jar of ants and we're the ants.
Speaker BWell, people fall for it every time.
Speaker AThey scooped one pile of ants and then they get another pile of ants and then they dump them out and they sit back and watch.
Speaker AAnd that's.
Speaker AYeah, that's the left and the right, meanwhile.
Speaker ABut I also feel there's a huge movement right now where I used to consider myself a Republican.
Speaker AI don't.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BNot Republican.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI'm like.
Speaker BI don't even know what to call myself.
Speaker BI'm just an American.
Speaker BAmerican first Patriot.
Speaker AI'm a patriot now.
Speaker AAnd I. I have.
Speaker AI'm more proud of saying that I'm not a Republican.
Speaker ADude.
Speaker AI used to be one of those people.
Speaker ALiberals.
Speaker BLook at these.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ATransgender.
Speaker AThis.
Speaker BThat's what they want you to do.
Speaker AThat's exactly.
Speaker BIt's part of the game, playing into their game.
Speaker AIt's the whole game.
Speaker AAnd so now I'm looking at it, like, now you look at Mega, and I'm like, holy, bro.
Speaker ALike.
Speaker ABecause I used to look at people and be like, oh, dude, Mega's bunch of just absolute retards.
Speaker ANow I look at him like, correct.
Speaker AThey're just so blind on everything.
Speaker AIt's like, guys, you're fighting in the streets by a problem that was created by the same people that created you.
Speaker AAnd now they're just letting you fight in the streets because as long as you're fat, dumb, and miserable, you're not going to stand up to fight the people.
Speaker ABecause us people, we have the power.
Speaker AWe have the numbers.
Speaker ABut we'll never come together because we're killing each other in the streets over somebody's political view or their opinion on a topic that doesn't even matter.
Speaker ACool.
Speaker AYou want to go cut your dick off and become a woman?
Speaker AI don't give a shit.
Speaker AGo do it.
Speaker ABut we're fighting in the streets or ice right now.
Speaker AAnd all this, it's all propaganda.
Speaker BYeah, it's a lot of psyops.
Speaker BAnd I also like personal excellence.
Speaker BIf everybody was focused on their own personal excellence and education and stop being focused on all this, like, nonsense and goy slop in their neighbor and who they voted for.
Speaker BAnd is it okay to be gay or not?
Speaker BOr is it okay to, you know, chop your dick off or something?
Speaker BSo the way I look at it is this.
Speaker BThey want people at the top that control everything.
Speaker BThey want us to be human batteries to keep their machines running, paying their taxes.
Speaker BSo pay our taxes.
Speaker BGo to work, do your nine to five.
Speaker BMaybe take one vacation a year.
Speaker BFat, lazy, out of shape, jerk off to porn a couple nights a week, rinse and repeat for the rest of your life.
Speaker BYou don't have enough time to focus on what's actually going on.
Speaker BYou're too busy watching sports or, you know, jerking off or fighting with your neighbor who's a liberal or a conservative.
Speaker BThat's what they want.
Speaker BSo to get out of that Infinite loop.
Speaker BYou have to realize, number one, I'm being used and harvested as a human battery to keep their machines running.
Speaker BWhat you need to do or what I need to do is we need to have personal excellence.
Speaker BMake yourself healthy, educate yourself, be more knowledgeable.
Speaker BWhat's going on.
Speaker BUnderstand your neighbor, because they're probably not that different than you.
Speaker BGet yourself out of financial debt or financial hole, have some assets.
Speaker BAll of that is stuff that they hate.
Speaker BThey don't want us to do that.
Speaker BThey want us to have the bare minimum to keep coming back so we can pay our bills, pay taxes, have a little food each week, maybe take one vacation a year and just continue being this human battery plugged into their machine.
Speaker AYep, that's.
Speaker AAnd once you can see that your Michaels, you're like, oh, okay, I get it now.
Speaker ABut then once you're at that level, the hard part, and that's where I'm at now, is looking at all of the people that you used to ride with and be like, no, like, please just look at it from.
Speaker AThey're both wings of the same bird.
Speaker BTwo wings of the same bird.
Speaker ATwo wings of the same bird.
Speaker AAnd as long as you're fighting over Democrats and Republicans, we all hate each other because of our political.
Speaker AIt's.
Speaker AThey're run by the same person.
Speaker AOh, it all is like a click funnel, man.
Speaker AAnd it comes in and spits out of our u. S. Government and then they just trickles from there.
Speaker AAnd then you pick the person that you like the most and vote for them while they sit there and just laugh in their mansions.
Speaker AIt's like the hunger games, bro.
Speaker AWe're literally.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd people listens to like, you're.
Speaker AI got a great job, I got a happy family.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BYou do what they want, but you're.
Speaker AComplacent and you're not looking.
Speaker AWhat's actually happening to our country?
Speaker AThe fact that we're paying 30 plus percent tax.
Speaker AYeah, literally on everything.
Speaker AThat doesn't bother you?
Speaker ALike, the fact that people have no problem paying taxes blows my mind.
Speaker AWe're studying and we're doing everything we can right now to learn how to just.
Speaker AAbsolutely.
Speaker BIt's not patriotic.
Speaker BSome people think it's, oh, it's patriotic to pay your taxes.
Speaker BIt's not very patriotic to pay my taxes that go to Israel to then pay for bombs to be dropped on kids in Gaza.
Speaker BThat's not very patriotic to me.
Speaker BSo, yeah, I'm going to look for every tax loophole I can as an entrepreneur.
Speaker AIf I'm paying 30, 40 taxes.
Speaker AMy streets better not have one pothole.
Speaker AEverything better be.
Speaker BI never see any of the benefits of my tax dollars ever.
Speaker AThat's what I'm saying.
Speaker ALike, if, if we people who were the Trump, we're in the golden era where because you go to these foreign countries in the Middle east, even Asian.
Speaker BCountries, we're not innovating anymore.
Speaker BWe're not building anything anymore.
Speaker BWe're not contributing to the global economy.
Speaker BWe're not contributing to nothing, bro.
Speaker AWe're just, we're sitting tribute.
Speaker BThe only thing we really contribute to is like the, the military industrial complex and weaponry and tech.
Speaker AHow I look at Americans that are fighting in the streets over conservative Democrat, all this stuff.
Speaker AI look at it as like the, the milk cows, you know, those big revolving platforms.
Speaker AThey have them on, they just get loaded and they stick the nipple pumps on them and just until they're dry, and then they get dropped off till the next day.
Speaker AThat.
Speaker AThat is the average American right now.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABecause they just go through and go to work, get fat, dumb and happy, go home, they're miserable, watching porn, doing whatever, drinking their life away, doing drugs.
Speaker AThey're all on medication, big pharma.
Speaker AIt's just.
Speaker AAnd they suck all this energy, they suck your money, they suck your life out of you until you're expired, and then they just dump you out into the pasture.
Speaker AAnd that's where we're like, the cycle we're in right now.
Speaker AAnd it takes guys like, with you with a voice and a platform to be like, hey, get the off this revolving door or this revolving platform and go out into greener pastures and learn how to live on your own, learn how to raise a family, keep your family together.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AThe fact of the getting, you look at any culture, they all live together.
Speaker AAnd this is a big thing with us.
Speaker AHomeschool.
Speaker AWe tell her, you know, she's graduating soon.
Speaker AWe tell her, you do not have to go anywhere.
Speaker AYou will contribute to the home and you will contribute to the family.
Speaker ADoesn't make sense to just pack your bags and leave because now more taxes, more rent, your own bills, your every homestead.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd so it's like you're just falling into the system that they've created us to just cycle, rinse, cycle repeat.
Speaker AAnd that's where we're at, man.
Speaker AAnd it is.
Speaker AIt's boggling to me that more.
Speaker AI'm glad people are finally waking up, but it's.
Speaker AWe need a lot more.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BBut it's not.
Speaker BNone of this is arbitrary.
Speaker BThis is all very Fabricated and orchestrated.
Speaker BAnd it's been going on actually for if you really want to get into.
Speaker BIt's been going on for thousands of.
Speaker AYears, a hundred percent.
Speaker BSo the reason I say it's been going on for thousands of years is because this is like pretty deep into the weeds.
Speaker BA lot of people don't know this or don't understand this concept, but what we're seeing on a global scale is it's Jews versus Rome.
Speaker BDo you understand this concept?
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BSo where that started and we know this, even Bibby admits this.
Speaker BSo a couple days ago or I think a week ago, some reporter was walking next to Benjamin Netanyahu and he asked him a question on camera.
Speaker BHe's like, oh, Mr. Prime Minister, are you reading any books right now?
Speaker BAnd he says, ah yes, I am actually it's a book called the Jews versus Rome and we lost that last one, but I think we need to win the next one.
Speaker BWhat he was referring to, and this is crazy because Bibi tells people blatantly, openly what he's doing.
Speaker BHe can, he can.
Speaker BAnd it goes over so many people's heads or we just don't do anything to stop him.
Speaker BBut what he meant by that, how they need to win the next war with Rome.
Speaker BWe are the modern Rome.
Speaker BThe west is the modern Rome.
Speaker BThe Christendom is the modern Rome.
Speaker BTheir battle started 2,000 years ago at the fall of Judea in 70 A.D. after the time of Christ.
Speaker BChrist resurrected in 33 A.D. then he ascended into heaven.
Speaker BThe church was created 50, 50 days after his resurrection at the day of Pentecost.
Speaker BAnd then in 70 AD the Jewish temple in Judea, the second temple was destroyed.
Speaker BIt was demolished.
Speaker BThen Fast forward to 135 AD Emperor Hadrian, the Roman Emperor Hadrian exiled all of the Jewish people outside of Judea.
Speaker BAnd that's what we know is the last great diaspora of the Jewish people outside of their promised land until 1948 when they returned.
Speaker BBut for all that 2000 year history, they were exiled and scattered throughout all of the east and the west and Northern Africa and parts of Asia Minor which would have been like Turkey and stuff, but that was the beginning of their war with Rome.
Speaker BNow what happened to Rome after 135 AD and for 300 years their greatest enemy is these two people.
Speaker BIt's Rome and the Christians.
Speaker BAnd it always has been their greatest pariah.
Speaker BTheir greatest enemy for the past 2000 years has been Christ, his followers and Rome.
Speaker BNow in the first four centuries, almost first four centuries of the church from the first century up until 313, there was massive Christian persecution.
Speaker BIf you were Christian and they found out you were Christian in the Roman world, you would have been killed.
Speaker BThere's stories.
Speaker BI mean, all the apostles, except for John, who was banished to the island of Patmos, every apostle was martyred and every Christian follower that they found out was Christian was martyred.
Speaker BThere's stories of 500 Christians being rounded up and taken to the Roman Coliseum and being fed to lions.
Speaker BNow, who was propagating that persecution?
Speaker BYes, it was done at the hands of the Romans, just like Christ was crucified at the hands of the Romans.
Speaker BBut who wanted it?
Speaker BThe Jews.
Speaker BThe Jews wanted to kill Christ.
Speaker BThe blood of Christ is on the Jewish people's hands.
Speaker BIn the Bible, in the Gospels, it actually talks about when Pontius Pilate crucified Christ, he washed his hands and absolved himself.
Speaker BThis is in the Bible.
Speaker BHe says when they hand Christ the cross and they put the crown of thorns on his head, Pontius Pilate goes to a trough and washes his hands and he says, I am absolved.
Speaker BMy hands are clean from the blood of this man.
Speaker BThis is on you.
Speaker BSpeaking to the Jewish people, the Pharisees and Sadducees of that day, they wanted him dead.
Speaker BThey killed him.
Speaker BWhy?
Speaker BBecause he was seen as the Messiah.
Speaker BBut not to the Jews, because the Jews were under Roman occupation at that time.
Speaker BThe Romans were their longtime enemy at that time.
Speaker BAnd so for them, what they thought the Messiah was going to be was essentially this knight riding in on white horse that was going to come in and slaughter the Romans and give back the Jews all.
Speaker BAll of their land.
Speaker BChrist didn't do that.
Speaker BHe comes in on a donkey.
Speaker AI love it.
Speaker BAnd he's the Messiah for the whole world, all Jews and Gentiles alike.
Speaker BAnd he tears the veil and the holy of holies.
Speaker BAnd they hated that.
Speaker AThey hate every Christian because of that.
Speaker BThey had every Christian to this day.
Speaker BAnd so because Christ was not their white shining horse, white savior on a white horse, they crucified him.
Speaker BThey killed him because they couldn't shut him up.
Speaker BHe was gaining traction.
Speaker BAnd they said, we can't shut this guy up.
Speaker BHe's gaining too much power.
Speaker BHe's affecting us too much.
Speaker BLet's kill him.
Speaker AWell, and it went against everything that.
Speaker BThey believed at that time.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AIt debunked them.
Speaker BI mean, debunked them.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker AMessiah.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd you know, the funny thing about that is the, you know, Pontius Pilate, he was crucified under Pontius Pilate.
Speaker BBut what happened?
Speaker BRomans killed Jesus.
Speaker BEssentially they hung him on the cross because they were pressured by the Jewish lobby.
Speaker AThe.
Speaker AThe Pharisees.
Speaker AYeah, the Pharisees.
Speaker BThe government at that time was pressured by the Jewish lobby to kill Christ.
Speaker AThat's where a lot of people say, oh, the, the Romans killed Christ?
Speaker ANo, technically, yes.
Speaker AThey're the ones that, the ones that spear.
Speaker BYeah, spear into his side.
Speaker ABut who brought him to the Romans and forced him and threw a tantrum until they listened.
Speaker BThe Pharisees, even in their Talmud, they brag about how they were the ones responsible for killing Jesus.
Speaker BIn the Talmud, they brag about that.
Speaker BBut modern day Jewish people would not want you to think that.
Speaker BBen Shapiro, when he was talking on Joe Rogan about Jesus, he didn't want to mention that the Jews killed him because when it goes in their favor, they don't want to be responsible for the death of Christ because they need the support of Christians.
Speaker BBut anyways, anyways, we'll fast forward, we'll rewind back to they killed Christ.
Speaker BThey wanted him dead.
Speaker BKilled him.
Speaker BThen he rose again three days later, and he gains more followers.
Speaker BHe becomes more popular than ever.
Speaker BHe's the most popular human in history.
Speaker BAnd at that time, he's gaining massive traction, a lot of followers.
Speaker BAnd the Jews are like, what the hell?
Speaker BWe just killed this guy.
Speaker BAnd he's more popular than ever now.
Speaker BSo Christ ascends into heaven.
Speaker BHis apostles build the church at the point of Pentecost, 50 days after his resurrection.
Speaker BAnd from there they say, we need to kill all of the followers.
Speaker BThey tried to genocide the early church.
Speaker BThey tried as hard as they could to genocide the early Christians.
Speaker BAnd even St. Paul.
Speaker BThe apostle Paul was a Pharisee who was.
Speaker BHe was one of the worst of persecutors of Christians.
Speaker BAnd then on the road to Damascus, he had the vision from Christ and converted to Christianity and then became the greatest evangelist of all of Christian history.
Speaker APaul murdered thousands, wasn't it?
Speaker AThousands of Christians?
Speaker BI mean, if, let's see, what was Paul doing?
Speaker BPaul didn't actually take the sword to their throat.
Speaker BWhat he did was the Jews, at that time, they were out headhunting Christians.
Speaker BSo they would go and find pockets of Christians and essentially like snitch on them to the Romans.
Speaker BBecause at that time the Romans were still, you know, practicing pagan rituals.
Speaker BAnd also the emperor of Rome was seen as a God.
Speaker BSo also the Romans would be like, okay, if you're not worshiping the emperor, you'll be put to death.
Speaker BBut the ones that were like the bounty hunters, if you want to put it that way, were the Jews going out there and exposing and finding all the Christians.
Speaker BBecause they're the ones that really wanted them dead.
Speaker BThey wanted the message of Christ to be wiped from the earth.
Speaker BAnd so fast forward, that was three, that was almost four centuries up until the fourth century that Christian persecution reigned.
Speaker BAnd so Christians had to worship underground in homes and in catacombs.
Speaker BAnd then in 313 the biggest slap in their face of all actually let me back up in 135 when they got exiled Emperor Hadrian.
Speaker BThis is, this is an interesting fact.
Speaker BIn 135 AD, Emperor Hadrian of Rome the banished the Jews out of Judea and he renamed Judea to Syria Palestina.
Speaker BThat is the first time we hear Palestine.
Speaker BAnd the reason he renamed it to that was out of spite against the Jews in homage to the Philistines, which.
Speaker AIs why they're pushing so hard to get it back.
Speaker BSo actually Palestine, that plot land, the holy land of the Levant, has been known as Palestine or the holy land for 2000 years.
Speaker BIt hasn't been Judea since 2000 years ago, since before 135 AD.
Speaker BBut then fast forward to 313.
Speaker BWhat happens then?
Speaker BA very significant event.
Speaker BEmperor Constantine at the time his mother was a Christian.
Speaker BAnd so then he converts to Christianity in 313 and he issues what's called the Edict of Milan, which legalizes Christianity in the Roman Empire.
Speaker BAnd now you have a Christian Roman Empire.
Speaker BThe two arch nemesis of the Jews come together as one.
Speaker BAnd Emperor Hadrian or Emperor Constantine, he shifts powers into the Byzantine Empire, seen as the second Rome or the new Rome of that time.
Speaker BSo he, he takes what was in Rome and he basically builds another capital in Constantinople, which is now modern day Istanbul.
Speaker BSo that becomes the epicenter of the Roman Empire for many centuries and the Christendom Empire for many many centuries.
Speaker BAnd this was like the most blatant and despicable slap in the face to the Jews that the two arch nemesis combined as one.
Speaker BAnd ever since then it has been in the Jews interest to destroy Rome.
Speaker BSo Rome turned Christian, turned into the Byzantine Empire.
Speaker BAnd now today we fast forward to modern events and what we see in the world.
Speaker BModern day Rome, the new Rome is the west and the remnants of Christendom around the world.
Speaker BSo what are we seeing?
Speaker BWe're seeing the perversion and the destruction of the West.
Speaker BPropagated by who?
Speaker AThe Jews?
Speaker BThe Jews, the Jewish lobby, the Israelis, the Zionists.
Speaker BAnd the Israeli backed politicians are destroying the west because that's their master plot.
Speaker BAnd Benjamin, Benjamin Netanyahu admitted that himself a couple days ago.
Speaker AAnd here we have Ted Cruz sitting here saying that we need to, we need to give them all of our support, all for, all for money, power.
Speaker AIt's disgusting.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo essentially like for that history lesson.
Speaker AThat was incredible, bro.
Speaker BThat is the overarching scope of what's going on.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BAnd so when people hopefully that watch this will understand that and they will see, oh, that makes sense.
Speaker BThat's kind of clicking now.
Speaker BAnd we see it not just in America, but all throughout the west, because Europe, they're known as the west as well.
Speaker BThat was, you know, the Christian epicenter of the world for many centuries.
Speaker BIt started in the east, right.
Speaker BLike the Christian world was always known for like the first millennia to be the East.
Speaker BEgypt.
Speaker ASo Egypt used to be all Christians.
Speaker BIt did, it was 90, it was 95 Christian until the Islamic caliphate came through and wiped them out and that.
Speaker BAnd that lasted the Islamic caliphate wiping the, the Christians out in the east lasted for eight centuries.
Speaker BAnd they withstood them for a long time.
Speaker BAnd they tried to push into Europe, they actually got into like Spain and stuff.
Speaker BBut they, they toppled a lot of the Christian empire for eight centuries.
Speaker BAnd then.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo the east was the Christian epicenter of the world for a millennia, for over a thousand years.
Speaker BAnd there were five patriarchate churches after the age of Milan.
Speaker BSo when the apostles were propping up churches, they would go into like Asia Minor, which is Turkey.
Speaker BThe apostle Mark went into Egypt and he propped up the church in like Alexandria and stuff.
Speaker BAnd then obviously Jerusalem and Antioch, which is in Turkey.
Speaker BAnd then Rome, which is where St. Peter and St. Paul went to start the church, which they were both martyred there.
Speaker BBut there were five patriarchate churches for at least the first 1054 years of church history.
Speaker BAnd those five patriarchal churches was Rome, Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem and Alexandria.
Speaker BAnd So those, those five churches ran the Christian world for, together for 10, 54 years.
Speaker BSo it was predominantly in the east because all the only church in the west was Rome.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker BAnd so this kind of ties into Orthodoxy too, if we want to go that route, but it ties into a little bit more of the other stuff.
Speaker BBut in 1054 or for, for 154 years, there was just one church, one holy Catholic and apostolic united church.
Speaker BNow the word Catholic is a Greek term that just means universal or whole.
Speaker BAnd it's actually the original Kone.
Speaker BGreek term is spelled with a K. And it's spelled a little bit differently, so it's pronounced like catholike.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BThat just means a church universal.
Speaker BNow, after 10:54, we see the Great Schism.
Speaker BThe Great Schism is when that one holy Catholic and Apostolic church split into the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.
Speaker AOkay, I have a conspiracy with the Catholic Church, which I'd like to talk to you.
Speaker AWe'll talk.
Speaker AI guess we could talk about at dinner tonight, but how Rome never fell.
Speaker AIt really just pulled.
Speaker AIt went into the Catholic Church, huh?
Speaker BYeah, it's Christendom.
Speaker AIt's where the.
Speaker AWe can.
Speaker AI'll ask questions later.
Speaker AI want you to keep going.
Speaker AI'm.
Speaker AI'm fascinated by everything you're saying.
Speaker BSo, yeah, so in 1054, the.
Speaker BEssentially what happened there was centuries of build up to this political tension.
Speaker BBut what happened in 1054 is kind of got to go back in time because in 325 AD, the church had its first ecumenical council at the Council of Nicaea.
Speaker BNow, this was fresh very soon after, you know, like a decade after Christianity becomes legalized in the Roman Empire by Constantine.
Speaker BAnd so after that, the Christians come out of the underground and they're building cathedrals and they're allowed to practice openly in public.
Speaker BAnd it flourishes even more than it already was.
Speaker BAnd so they had in the early, started around the second century to the fourth century, the Church experienced heretics like the Gnostics, the Modalists, and in the 4th century, the Aranists.
Speaker BSo what, what the ecumenical councils were there for was essentially to one, establish dogma in concrete, like theology, what the Church believes, and two, to deny heresy.
Speaker BSo they saw early heretics and they had to be, you know, excommunicated early on.
Speaker BBut the Church came together through these ecumenical councils where all the bishops from all of these patriarchate churches would convene.
Speaker BThe first one happening in 325 in Nicaea.
Speaker BAnd what they did is they established the Nicene Creed.
Speaker BAre you familiar with this?
Speaker ANo, I'm not.
Speaker BThe Nicene Creed is the Christian proclamation of faith.
Speaker BIt is what the Church believes.
Speaker BIt is the dogma and foundational belief of the Trinity and how we view the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and essentially how we view our faith, because at that time we saw early heretics like the Gnostics.
Speaker BThe Gnostics were early.
Speaker BOne of the most early group of heretics that sprouted up in like the second century.
Speaker BBut are you familiar with like, the Book of Enoch?
Speaker BOh, yeah, okay, The Book of Enoch, the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary.
Speaker BThese were early Gnostic texts.
Speaker BSo these were heretical texts written by Gnostic, schismatic Christian sects.
Speaker BEssentially the Gnostics believed that the God of the Bible was multiple gods, which fallen angels.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BIf you want to get deep part of that, yeah.
Speaker BSo all of that comes from the Gnostics.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BAnd so they were, they were massive heretics in the church.
Speaker BAnd they actually found a library of Gnostic texts in Egypt not that long ago, I think in the 40s.
Speaker BBut it was a very well preserved full library of pottery jars found near the Nile river in Egypt in like the 40s.
Speaker BBut it was all those Gnostic texts, like the Book of Enoch, I believe was in there, the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Mary and a series of other Gnostic texts.
Speaker BBut the Gnostics were like essentially just an early heretic group.
Speaker BAnd so when they had the Council of Nicaea, they had to establish dogma.
Speaker BLike there's early heretics coming about trying to change what we believe.
Speaker BSo we need to come together and convene as a democracy, as a church, and establish this in dogma, write it in stone and put it on the church so that people can't come by and say otherwise.
Speaker BAnd also to deny heretics and heresies.
Speaker BAnd so they established the Nicene greed.
Speaker BAnd actually it's close to Christmas, so this is kind of ties into like the time of the season.
Speaker BBut Arius was, he was a bishop at that time.
Speaker BHe was at the Council of Nicaea in.
Speaker BIn Nicae.
Speaker BNicaea.
Speaker BAnd he stepped up and he said, a heresy.
Speaker BThe heresy that he said was that Christ had a beginning, essentially.
Speaker BSo he believed and he tried to say that Christ did not exist until he was born of the Virgin Mary, which is a gross heresy, a gross mischaracterization of the Trinity.
Speaker BAnd what happened was St. Nicholas, Santa Claus slapped him in the face and excommunicated him.
Speaker BAnd then he started Arianism, which was a continuation of that heresy.
Speaker AInteresting, man.
Speaker ADamn, you're impressive.
Speaker BThank you, bro.
Speaker AYou're very impressive.
Speaker AYeah, like, I could just, we could just turn this off and I could just listen to you talk all day.
Speaker BIt's very interesting because it ties this.
Speaker BIt all ties together, man.
Speaker AThat's the craziest.
Speaker BIt all ties together.
Speaker BPeople forget to realize this, but what I'm doing in, you know, the ground frame, the framework that I'm laying right now is a rebuttal against mainstream Protestants and the Catholic Church.
Speaker BBecause I'm Orthodox, I grew up not Catholic, I grew up Protestant, but I came into Orthodoxy this year.
Speaker BI actually didn't know what Orthodoxy was until this year.
Speaker AWhy Orthodox or Orthodoxy.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AWould that be the proper term for it at that?
Speaker BEither one.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AOkay, so was.
Speaker AI don't.
Speaker ADude, I don't want to pull you off of this.
Speaker AThis.
Speaker BWell, that question can tie into what I was going to go into next.
Speaker BBecause why Orthodoxy?
Speaker BBecause that, that ties.
Speaker BThat all wraps up with, like, what happened in the great schism in 1054 when the church split.
Speaker BSo, like I said, the Church was united, one holy, Catholic and apostolic church for 1054 years.
Speaker BAnd then the Great Schism happens.
Speaker BSo let me explain, like, the build up to that.
Speaker BSo there was political tension that was brewing for centuries between Rome and Constantinople, because during that time, in that first millennia, Rome fell like the fall of the Roman Empire.
Speaker BThat happened during that time.
Speaker BAnd Constantine, who had shifted powers to Constantinople, Constantinople blossomed, it flourished.
Speaker BIt was a great spot for trade and the economy and defense and all of these things.
Speaker BAnd it was in the east, which is where the Christian world was.
Speaker BAnd so there was a pope in Rome and the Pope in Rome.
Speaker BYou have to understand how the pope, papacy came about.
Speaker BThe reason that the Catholics believe in a Pope is because they believe that Peter, the Apostle Peter was the first Pope, because the Apostle Peter And Paul and St. Clement of Rome, who's actually mentioned in Philippians, St. Clement of Rome was a disciple of Paul, but those three went to Rome, they started the church, and they were martyred in Rome.
Speaker BAnd actually, to this day, they found the remains of Peter under St. Peter's Basilica.
Speaker BIt's crazy, right?
Speaker AKidding.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker BThey found Peter's remains.
Speaker BThey have Peter's bones.
Speaker BHe was buried under St. Peter's Basilica.
Speaker AI've never heard that.
Speaker BAnd so the reason the Catholic Church has the papacy is because they believe that Peter was the first Pope.
Speaker BAnd they believe that Peter was the head of the apostles.
Speaker BSo the reason they believe this is because there's a verse where before Jesus ascends, I believe it was after the resurrection, he tells Peter.
Speaker BPeter's name used to be Simon, and he changed it to Peter.
Speaker BAnd what he told him was, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
Speaker BNow, this was interpreted in two different ways.
Speaker BThe Catholics interpreted it later because again, they agreed with the one unified church for over a thousand years.
Speaker BBut later, when they wanted to pull back power to Rome, they started saying that.
Speaker BOh, wait, I think what Christ was actually saying was that Peter was the head of the Church and that his church would be built upon the rock in Rome.
Speaker BSo that therefore, Rome has to be the epicenter of Christianity and the Pope has to be the leader of Christianity, and the Pope has to have supremacy and leadership over all bishops and all churches.
Speaker BWhereas for the first 10, 54 years, the church was united under this democratic society or democratic way of ruling itself.
Speaker BIt was never that the Pope had supreme headship over all their bishops.
Speaker BThey were all unified and led the Church together.
Speaker BBut the reason, I think that in Rome, they tried to pull back.
Speaker BThey tried to pull back power from Constantinople because they were falling.
Speaker BThere was a lot that was during parts of the Dark Ages.
Speaker BAnd so they tried to pull back power by saying that Peter is the first pope and the papacy needs to reign supreme and all.
Speaker BYou need to answer us.
Speaker BAnd also, they changed.
Speaker BThey actually invented a heresy called the filioque.
Speaker BNow, the filioque is a deviation.
Speaker BIt's an alteration of the original Nicene Creed.
Speaker BThe Nicene Creed that was established, the declaration of the Christian faith in 325 A.D. said everything that we believe about the Trinity.
Speaker BSo it said that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.
Speaker BThat's what it said.
Speaker BAnd nobody wanted to change it.
Speaker BNow, around, I believe, the sixth or fifth century, maybe seventh, around that time, there were some bishops in Spain that attempted to change it.
Speaker BThey attempted to change it unilaterally.
Speaker BAnd actually the Pope for a few centuries rebuked them and said, no, we're not changing it.
Speaker BWe're not altering the Creed.
Speaker BNow, eventually, leading up to 10:54, the Pope succumbed to this, and he actually changed the Creed.
Speaker BSo now the Creed says it added the filioque, which just means and the Son in Latin.
Speaker BSo what that means is they change the Creed from saying that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father to changing it to say that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Speaker BNow, this may not seem like a big deal, but the.
Speaker BThe issue that arises with that is that if the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit does not share in a divine nature.
Speaker BHe's excluded from that divine nature.
Speaker ASo that's where you get the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Speaker BYeah, okay.
Speaker BSo it actually diminishes the role of the Holy Spirit in the Church.
Speaker BAnd that is actually where you get the papacy and all these cardinals and all of that stuff, because the role of the Holy Spirit in the Church, preserving and guiding and leading the church, is diminished.
Speaker BAnd that can be Replaced by man.
Speaker BSo in the Orthodox Church, they never changed the creed.
Speaker BThey.
Speaker BTo this day, at church, we recite the original Nicene Creed that was established in 325, okay?
Speaker BWhereas the Catholics recite the alterate, the altered Creed.
Speaker BSo the Filioque, Rome trying to pull back power, other political differences that all boiled over, and that is what led to the Great Schism.
Speaker BAnd essentially the Pope in Rome and the Patriarch of Constantinople excommunicated each other.
Speaker BThey both sent letters to each other's churches excommunicating each other.
Speaker BAnd from that point on, the Eastern Orthodox become a thing and the Roman Catholics become a thing in the West.
Speaker AAnd then from the Orthodox, you have all of the branches of different Christianity off of that.
Speaker ACorrect or no?
Speaker BKind of the other way around.
Speaker BSo Eastern Orthodox, they prevail to this day.
Speaker BTo this day, no more schisms, no more breakaways.
Speaker BWe still have all of the bishops and the patriarchs, like we have.
Speaker BSo in the Eastern Orthodox faith, I think there's.
Speaker BI don't want to get fried in the comments for this, but I believe there's 12, like, churches now, patriarchs.
Speaker BSo you have like, the patriarch in Russia, patriarch in Constantinople, the patriarch in Jerusalem, all of those churches, right?
Speaker BNobody, no one patriarch is like the leader of the whole Orthodox Church.
Speaker BThey all share that power still.
Speaker BSo like the patriarch in Russia, he is like the head of the church in Russia.
Speaker BBut that church in Russia still follows all of the same teachings and dogmas and theologies of all other Eastern Orthodox churches.
Speaker BSo if any one of those churches, like if, let's say the Patriarch in Russia wanted to say, hey, I want to change, like, you know, this belief on Christ or the Holy Spirit, he would be excommunicated.
Speaker BBut that's never happened in over a thousand years.
Speaker BNot a single deviation in the Orthodox Church.
Speaker BMeaning that for actually 2,000 years, the Orthodox Church has remained unchanged and unaltered from the time of Christ, the time of the Apostles, all the Nicene Creeds, or all the, all the, excuse me, all of the ecumenical councils to this day.
Speaker BThe Orthodox Church follows the fullness of the faith handed down to them by the apostles.
Speaker BWhereas the Catholic Church, they changed, they modernized, they added things, subtracted things.
Speaker BAnd then eventually in the 1500s, we get another schism from the Catholic Church, the Protestant Reformation.
Speaker BSo in the 1500s, fast forward 500 years, Martin Luther comes along.
Speaker BHe is a.
Speaker BA monk in, in Germany, and he's like, okay, I'm reading the Bible, but all these things the Church is saying doesn't align, they're selling indulgences, they believe in purgatory.
Speaker BAll these things doesn't make sense.
Speaker BSo what he did is he created the 95 thesis.
Speaker BNow this was just basically the 95 problems he found with the Catholic Church.
Speaker BAnd he nailed that to the Church in Germany.
Speaker BSome dispute that, but that is the mainstream belief that he nailed the 95 thesis and then he was actually excommunicated.
Speaker BSo Martin Luther was kicked out of the Catholic Church and he had built up a following of people from the church and essentially he wanted to reform the church.
Speaker BHe knew that the Catholics were deviating from the original faith.
Speaker BAnd what he said to the Catholic bishops is that I actually agree with the Greeks more.
Speaker BThe Greeks meaning the Orthodox.
Speaker BAnd so Martin Luther, it seemed like he was going to jump ship to the Orthodox Church.
Speaker BBut here's the dilemma.
Speaker BHe didn't fully understand the Orthodox Church.
Speaker BAnd if you can think Martin Luther was wounded and hurt by the Catholic Church.
Speaker BAnd he didn't want, he had a lot of followers.
Speaker BHe didn't want to take them and immediately jump ship to the Orthodox without fully understanding that.
Speaker BSo what he was doing was he was writing letters to the Patriarch in Constantinople, asking questions, trying to learn more about Orthodox, the Orthodox Church.
Speaker BAnd so as this is happening, he's been excommunicated.
Speaker BHe has a lot of followers and he's writing letters.
Speaker BBut these letters take months to send and months to receive back an answer.
Speaker BBut while that those letters are being sent back and forth, all these people are like, where do we go, Martin Luther now?
Speaker BYeah, where do we go now?
Speaker BAnd so he starts performing the church on his own.
Speaker BAnd so he takes the Bible, this is going to go real deep into another rabbit hole that people are going to like.
Speaker BSo Martin Luther, all he has, he's a monk, he knows the Bible, seemingly seems to know the Bible very well.
Speaker BAnd so he says, we're not going to have any more clergy, not going to have this, you know, man made institution.
Speaker BAll we're going to have is the Bible.
Speaker BAnd that's the only infallible source of the church from this point on.
Speaker BAnd so he invented a term called sola scriptura, which just means scripture alone.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker BSo that means that the Bible is the only infallible source of the Church.
Speaker BThe problem with that is the Bible to many people can be subjective.
Speaker AAbsolutely.
Speaker BSo within Martin Luther's own lifetime, from the point of the Reformation to his death, there were multiple schisms within the Protestant sect, within the Protestant Church, because Martin Luther would read the Bible, come to his conclusion, say, this is my conclusion on the Bible and what it says and how the church should be run.
Speaker BAnd then other people would disagree and then they would break away.
Speaker BSo the Catholic Church, the inception, or, excuse me, the.
Speaker BOr the Protestant church, from its very inception, breeds schism, it breeds ambiguity because there is no full one understanding of the Bible unless you have the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which if we want to go back in time, before Christ left, he also made two other promises to the church, to his apostles.
Speaker BHe said that he would leave them with one church and the gates of Hades would never prevail against it.
Speaker BOkay, one church, not thousands of different churches, one.
Speaker BAnd the gates, Hades will not prevail against it.
Speaker BBut he also said that after he left, he would give them his Holy Spirit.
Speaker BHe would impart on them the Holy Spirit to be their helper and to guide them into all truths and to bring all things to their remembrance.
Speaker BNow, what that means is at the day of Pentecost, rewinding a couple thousand years, Pentecost just means 50th in Greek.
Speaker BIt's the 50th day after Christ's resurrection.
Speaker BAnd so at that point in time, the Holy Spirit in the Bible actually descends on the apostles.
Speaker BAnd we see that the Holy Spirit was like a flame over their heads and they started speaking in tongues in front of a crowd of people.
Speaker BAnd the people actually thought they were drunk, but they were speaking in tongues.
Speaker BAnd then Peter, Apostle Peter, gives a sermon and he converts 3,000 people.
Speaker BAnd that's the inception of the church right there in the Bible at the point of Pentecost.
Speaker BAnd then he baptizes or the apostles baptized all of those new Christians.
Speaker BAnd that's the church beginning right there of the institution.
Speaker BNow, when Christ made all those promises that he would leave them with one church and the gates of Hades would not prevail against that one church and that he would give them the Holy Spirit, so bring all things to their remembrance and guide them into all truths.
Speaker BWe see the Holy Spirit coming down to the apostles, the beginning of the church and when they were writing the gospels.
Speaker BOkay, so I debate like atheists or Muslims or whoever wants to smoke and.
Speaker AYeah, right, it fought.
Speaker AGood luck with you, Holy God.
Speaker BAnd so when the apostles were writing the gospels, right, they're writing literal word for word quotes of Jesus, but those quotes were said years or decades prior.
Speaker BSo when an atheist will come to me and say, okay, well, it said in the Bible that Jesus said all of these things, but the apostles actually didn't start writing it down till decades later or years later.
Speaker BHow do you know they remembered it perfectly well?
Speaker BThey didn't because Christ promised them to give them the Holy Spirit to bring all things to their remembrance.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo when the apostles were writing the New Testament, they had the Holy Spirit with them, preserving them and guiding their pen strokes so that they could not put anything wrong or incorrect into the Scriptures.
Speaker BThat's why the Bible is infallible, because it is written by the Holy Spirit and God.
Speaker BBut also not just the Bible is infallible, but the Church.
Speaker BAnd here's why.
Speaker BBecause he left them with the Holy Spirit to guide them into all truths.
Speaker BAnd it ties back to when he said the gates of Hades would not prevail against it.
Speaker BSo in the Orthodox faith, in our Church, we believe that the presence of the Holy Spirit has presided and remained and preserved his church for all 2000 years of history, of church history.
Speaker BNow we see this in real time in the Scriptures with the laying on of hands.
Speaker BHow does this work?
Speaker BSo the line of succession when it comes to the Orthodox and actually the Catholic Church too.
Speaker BSo the only two churches that have what we call apostolic succession, which is essentially an unbroken chain of successors leading back to the apostles, only churches that have that is the Catholic Church with Peter and the Orthodox Church.
Speaker BAnd so the way that the line of succession worked is in the Old.
Speaker BSo in the Old Testament, when the, the Israelites had to pick somebody like a spy for something or a priest or a deacon for like the tabernacle, what they would do is they would cast lots.
Speaker BAre you familiar with this?
Speaker ANo.
Speaker BSo they would cast lots, essentially.
Speaker BIt sounds like rolling dice or something, but it's not, it's not ambiguous.
Speaker BWhat they would do is essentially a couple different ways they would do this.
Speaker BBut let's say they, they write, they have like 10 men lined up and they would write the names of all 10 men on like some pebbles, and then they would shake up a cup and they would pick a pebble and read the name.
Speaker BAnd that's the person they would pick.
Speaker BWell, that was the process of picking people that was given to them by God in the Old Testament.
Speaker BAnd that was not arbitrary or random.
Speaker BIt was said that their hand would be guided by the Holy Spirit to pick that person so that there was no, like, human corruption in picking a person.
Speaker BNow the last time we ever see a lot, a lot being casted was actually just before Pentecost, the very last time in the Bible that they casted lots to pick Somebody was on the 40th day.
Speaker BChrist ascends on the 50th day.
Speaker BThey received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
Speaker BSo there's a 10 day gap where they can't go to Christ to ask him.
Speaker BAnd they don't have the Holy Spirit yet.
Speaker BSo there's this limbo period.
Speaker BNow the person they were picking was Judas Replacement who was Matthias.
Speaker BSo they casted a lot and they picked Matthias to be the 12th apostle to replace Judas.
Speaker BBut that's the last time because at Pentecost they received the Holy Spirit.
Speaker BAnd from there the line of succession on picking righteous men to lead the church or to be bishops was the process of laying on of hands.
Speaker BNow this is in the Bible numerous times in the New Testament where one of the first times we see the process of laying on of hands to pick people or to have a line of succession is when I believe in Ephesus, I want to say they were picking seven deacons for the church.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BAnd they were told to only pick men of righteous faith.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BLike righteous men.
Speaker BAnd so the way that they would pick them is they would be guided by the Holy Spirit, they would pray.
Speaker BThere was actually a prescribed way that the apostles would pray before picking men.
Speaker BAnd once they had their answer, they would physically lay their hands.
Speaker BAll the apostles would lay their hands on that man and essentially ordain him to be a leader of the church.
Speaker BNow this was the only prescribed way of succession or appointment of somebody in the church.
Speaker BBecause there is a story where a man tried to self appoint himself in the, in the church and Paul rebuked him and he scorned him and he said, you have no authority to self appoint yourself in the church unless you have been picked by men of faith who guided by the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands.
Speaker BThat's the only way that you can be appointed in the church or to lead the church.
Speaker BAnd to this day, to this very day, every priest and every bishop in the Orthodox Church receives the laying on of hands.
Speaker BAnd that is an unbroken process of a line of succession from the time of the apostles.
Speaker BAnd the reason it's still valid today is because the Holy Spirit presides with the church because as Christ said, he would leave one church and the gates of Hades would not prevail against that one church.
Speaker ADamn, man.
Speaker BSo that in a nutshell is why I picked Orthodoxy.
Speaker BTo answer your question, that was a loaded question.
Speaker AI'm so glad I asked.
Speaker AYeah, thank you for sharing that, man.
Speaker BThere's more to it too.
Speaker BI Mean, oh, I'm sure if you look at the church fathers.
Speaker BSo you can, like I said, you can see, people would always say that the apostles, well, obviously Christ is infallible.
Speaker BHe's God.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BPeople would say the Bible is infallible.
Speaker BAnd then pretty much every Christian would also say that the apostles are infallible.
Speaker BAt least, you know, they're sinful men.
Speaker BThey commit sin.
Speaker BThem amongst themselves through their own human nature, are not infallible.
Speaker BThe only reason that they're infallible when writing the Gospels or propping up the church or leading the Church is through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd so every Christian would say that the apostles are infallible when it comes to the Church and writing the Gospels.
Speaker BBut we know that their successors, all of the apostles, had disciples themselves.
Speaker BThis is lost in Protestantism.
Speaker AOkay?
Speaker BSo much is lost in Protestantism because they didn't have any connection to the Orthodox Church.
Speaker BThey came from the Catholics and then they broke away and they forgot all 1500 years of church history and tradition.
Speaker BSo the church fathers, like St. Ignatius of Antioch, for example, who was a disciple of John, Saint Clement of Rome, who was a disciple of Peter, Saint Athanasius, Saint Clement or, and many other church fathers, these were people, these were men of faith who had received the laying on of hands.
Speaker BAnd they were the direct, like disciples, like, like Padawans of the apostles.
Speaker BAnd so these men, because Christians will go to the Bible and debate, what does this verse mean?
Speaker BHow do you interpret it?
Speaker BWell, we can run around in circles debating what each of these verses means, but we have another infallible source that makes things black and white.
Speaker BIt's the church fathers.
Speaker BThese guys were literally the disciples.
Speaker BThey knew John, Peter, Paul personally.
Speaker BThey were there like Jedi knight Padawans learned from them for years.
Speaker BAll of those men have their own writings.
Speaker BWe can look back to their writings and see what they say about certain things in the church, certain dogmas, certain theology, certain interpretations of Gospel.
Speaker BAnd when you look back to the church fathers, and a lot of people are going to try to question me on this, go fact check it yourself.
Speaker BBut there's only one church that I have looked into that aligns perfectly and does not deviate from anything that the church fathers said because they made things more black and white, like the Eucharist or Baptism.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BThe only church that agrees with the church fathers undeniably is the Orthodox Church.
Speaker BIf you look, and I have debated like Protestants and, and been like, okay, we can go read the church fathers and we can see where your church contradicts what they're saying.
Speaker BSo, okay, two people can't be right.
Speaker BSomebody has to be wrong here.
Speaker BIs it your church and Pastor Bob that's wrong or is it Saint Athanasius or Saint Clement of Rome that spoke.
Speaker AAnd wrote it and lived it?
Speaker BAnd so that puts them in a dilemma of saying either the early church and the church fathers were incorrect and then you therefore basically align debunked.
Speaker BYou basically are a Muslim at that point.
Speaker BBecause that's the same thing they say.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BOr you have to swallow your pride and say, well, maybe we're wrong.
Speaker BYeah, probably the earth, the church fathers were the ones who are right.
Speaker BThe guys who are literally the disciples of the disciples.
Speaker BSo that's another reason.
Speaker BI mean it's so robust to me.
Speaker BI'm never leaving orthodoxy.
Speaker BIt's so like to me stone and just makes it so crystal, crystal clear now.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABecause I've been asked, you know, and I, I have people that reach out because obviously I'm back into my faith and I grew up in a Christian home, you know, non denominational and people ask me and like my, obviously I have not done the research.
Speaker AYou have, but my biggest thing is, and I try to explain to people is I try to follow the word of God as best as possible.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAs true as possible.
Speaker AUntil I get into.
Speaker AOn the level of on fire that you are, which I pray every night for that it just consumes me where I'm just, I can read and just take it in.
Speaker AAnd because I love watching my daughter and how on fire she is and it means, and obviously as a father of a household, of our home, I have to be that spiritual leader.
Speaker AIt's our role, it's biblical to be the head of your home.
Speaker AAnd so it's like that's where I'm like God, like there's, and there's so many, it's like I look at the Catholic Church and now there's certain Catholic churches are flying the LBGT flag and, and all these different things and they're allowing these people in, they allow this woman, this gay lesbian female preacher to be able to speak.
Speaker AAnd I'm just like, that's not the church.
Speaker AAnd so it's like everything gets so muddied.
Speaker BYeah, that's where I was too, man, for seven years.
Speaker AAnd there's so much.
Speaker AAnd I guess that's where a lot of my, I don't want to say doubt.
Speaker AI don't, I, I, there's no doubt that God sent his son, walked the Earth died for us, came back to life, resurrected back into the heaven.
Speaker AThere's no, there's never been any scientific proof that has ever debunked anything like major in the Bible.
Speaker BOh, Jesus Christ is the most undeniable historical figure in history.
Speaker AThank you.
Speaker BObjectively.
Speaker AObjectively, number one sold book in the world and it always will be the most hated and loved man at the.
Speaker BSame time is most well preserved ancient documents by a very large margin.
Speaker AThe.
Speaker AThe shroud that they, they had that.
Speaker BHe strat of torn.
Speaker AIf you could watch them break down the shroud of torn where they put the, they put the, the lights that.
Speaker AThere's like a certain thing on your phone that you could scan and it shows the puncture wounds, it shows the thorn.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd it's the blood on the wrist.
Speaker ABecause it would have ripped through the hand.
Speaker AI mean there's.
Speaker ASo for me, there's.
Speaker AI can't deny that.
Speaker AAnd everybody that listens to my podcast, I'm always like, make it make sense.
Speaker AMake it make sense.
Speaker AAnd there's nothing in the history that doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker AIt's, I guess where my.
Speaker AI don't want to say doubt because I don't doubt it.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIt's which, like, which path.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABecause then if you're here now, it's like if you even look at Mormons and they're constantly changing things, you look at the Catholics, they're changing.
Speaker AThere's so much going on.
Speaker ASo that's why I liked, I wanted to ask, like, because you're so stern on orthodox Christian, it's like, okay, but to me and where I'm at in my journey, it's like God.
Speaker AI just want to follow the word of God as best and as.
Speaker AAs close to possible.
Speaker ABut if that is okay, maybe, I mean, may need to look down on this.
Speaker AAnd that's why I love the church that we go to, because we've tried other churches.
Speaker AI listen to these other pastors and it's always like they put their.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ATheir belief or their twist.
Speaker AI'm not saying they're.
Speaker AThey're changing it, but it's their belief or what.
Speaker AHow they're interpreted.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BA lot of.
Speaker AIn the scriptures.
Speaker AAnd so like what I love about our pastor, he's like, this is from the.
Speaker AThis is the word of God.
Speaker AThis is the Bible.
Speaker AThis is.
Speaker AAnd obviously the.
Speaker AWe can argue that the Bible's been rewritten and there's been obviously scripts taken out.
Speaker ALike, you know, there's a lot of that which, that's a whole other rabbit hole.
Speaker ABut for the, that's what I appreciate for our pastors.
Speaker ALike, he's like, we're speaking the word of God.
Speaker AThis is from the Bible directly.
Speaker AWe don't.
Speaker AWe're not going to interpret it in, in however we think it is.
Speaker AThis is what was said.
Speaker AThis is what it means.
Speaker ASo that's where I'm at with it.
Speaker ABut it's like, like God, I start listening to these other people, like, well, we believe this.
Speaker AAnd I'm like, I'm like, well, that, that doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker ALike, okay, well, you're just adding this.
Speaker AYou could just change this.
Speaker ALike, who says?
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ALike, if we're gonna sit here and take the word of God, I need to take all of the word of God, and that's all I want to consume.
Speaker AI don't need somebody's interpretation of, well, he might have thought about this.
Speaker AOr, well, some people take it as this.
Speaker ALike, I don't need that in my journey of learning.
Speaker AI'm just like, where are the facts?
Speaker AThat's what I need to read.
Speaker AThat's what I.
Speaker AThat's what I need to consume in order to get to where I want to be as a Christian.
Speaker AAnd just as far as just basic knowledge.
Speaker AAnd so it's, it's fascinating to be able to sit here and talk because I've.
Speaker AI don't say I've never talked to an orthodox Christian, but, like, one that was so open and like, that's your stance and this is your belief on it.
Speaker ABut it.
Speaker ATo me, that makes sense.
Speaker AIf, if you're sitting here saying, hey, we can go back to like, like the beginning, and we've never detoured off of this, and this is what we've always believed.
Speaker ALike, okay, that makes sense to me.
Speaker BAnd listen, man, like, when I came into Earth, I came from the Protestant church.
Speaker BIt's very different.
Speaker AOh, yeah.
Speaker BSo trust me when I say I was averse to a lot of it.
Speaker BI was opposed to a lot of it at face value when I first heard things or like, was discovering things because it's so foreign to me as a Protestant.
Speaker BAnd even when I went to Palestine and I was exposed to orthodoxy for the first time, I kind of thought they were crazy.
Speaker BI was like, you guys believe in all that.
Speaker BYou guys have saints, you guys like.
Speaker AAll this how it used to be.
Speaker AWhy, why, why now?
Speaker BIn 20, dude, I literally went to churches I went to.
Speaker BSo it's so cool.
Speaker BYou gotta go.
Speaker BBecause I went to some churches that Were like some of the first churches ever.
Speaker BLike they found catacombs where early Christians would worship and they built a bigger church next to it.
Speaker BAnd they actually have a church, like a 2000 year old church where Christians hid to worship in Palestine.
Speaker BIt's super cool.
Speaker ASee that's.
Speaker AAnd when you, if you want to rewind, how are we as Christians going to sit here and be like, oh, we, we can't talk.
Speaker AYou know, whoever's leading the church and, and who's representing it, that's not how we look at it.
Speaker ABut like when Jesus was walking around, that's how, I mean, well, not when he was walking around after obviously he got resurrected and the church started.
Speaker AThat's, that's the original foundings of the church.
Speaker AIt's man who has muddied the waters.
Speaker AIt's man who has changed and put their beliefs on it.
Speaker AAnd that's where things just trickle and start changing.
Speaker AAnd that's where I have a hard time jumping full into this as a Christian is because I'm like, well, if they're just saying this and they didn't, this is what they believe.
Speaker AI don't want to go off of what some man believes.
Speaker AI want to go off of what was stated, what from the beginning of time, the whole everything from start to finish.
Speaker AOkay, this is, this is the journey that I want to go on.
Speaker ANot because some pastor believes in, read this scripture and this is how he feels.
Speaker AIt is because then, now I'm following man.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd I don't, that, that, that I can't get behind if I'm going to sit here and follow Christ.
Speaker ALike I, I have to remove man as much as possible out of it in our day and age, because corruption, money, power, everything that comes with man.
Speaker AThat's where I feel bad for a lot of people like that, that hate the church.
Speaker AIt's like, well, you hate the church that was created by man.
Speaker AThat's what hurts you was man.
Speaker BYeah, dude, I was there for seven years.
Speaker BI left the church for seven years.
Speaker BAnd that's, that was my mindset because I, I had like my own breakaway from the church because I didn't agree with a lot of it and I didn't know where to go and then I found orthodoxy.
Speaker BBut I have a question for you on that note.
Speaker BYeah, Kind of maybe to put you on the spot, but.
Speaker BSo you say you, you like your pastor.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BOkay, so I have a hypothetical for you.
Speaker BAlmost like an inevitable actually.
Speaker BBut you like your pastor now, you like your church, and that's Great.
Speaker BBut eventually your pastor is going to get old and be replaced.
Speaker BYou're going to die off.
Speaker BYour children are then going to have to find a church.
Speaker BAre they going to have that same teaching?
Speaker ANo.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker BAnd this was a huge problem for me because you always hear in the Protestant sect of like, people moving to a new town and they're like, oh, we're church hopping, we're looking around.
Speaker BBut even if you find a solid church, your kids are not going to have that same church.
Speaker BYour grandkids are not going to have that same church.
Speaker BWhereas in the Orthodox church, it's been the same for 2000 years.
Speaker ASee, and with that, you're always hearing people who are trying to find the right.
Speaker ABecause it took us a long time to find the right church.
Speaker AAnd it just happened to be.
Speaker BThis should be the same.
Speaker BIt should just all be the same, you know, that's how I feel.
Speaker BFeel?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABecause I'd go to one guy, he's preached a certain way and preaching his way, and I'm like, man, didn't feel it.
Speaker ABut then we have to go around until you see that, I guess.
Speaker AAnd I'll admit it, I go off a feel if he's preaching.
Speaker AAnd my kids might not feel that pastor.
Speaker AThey might.
Speaker ABut what's the other pastor teaching?
Speaker AWhat are his beliefs?
Speaker ATrue beliefs?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AWhat is.
Speaker AWhere was he raised up?
Speaker AIn who?
Speaker AWhen I say groomed, I'm not meaning in a negative way, but obviously, you know, trained him.
Speaker AWho trained and where did he.
Speaker AHe study under that could be a million different ways.
Speaker ASo I mean, it makes sense to me.
Speaker AAnd so like, but that's a great point.
Speaker ALike, how do you argue that that one guy, you might go to a church and hey, man, this is a church when it's on fire.
Speaker AAnd I feel it because that was a big thing for us.
Speaker ALike, I, I don't, I.
Speaker AWhen I fell away and the wife was pulling me back into it because she's not quitting on me, she's like, you're doing this.
Speaker AThen when I finally found this church, it was, it was like, oh, man, I feel like I'm in the spotlight every, every time.
Speaker AAnd he's talking, I swear to God, he stares at me the whole entire service.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd they put, they put the spotlight.
Speaker BOn talking about you.
Speaker AI'm over here sweating and I'm like, oh, God.
Speaker AYou know, and so, yeah, but my kids, I might not feel that.
Speaker ASo it's, I get it.
Speaker ABut for me, as a man of, I feel of logic and principle, Like, I just.
Speaker AI just want the word and I don't want it deciphered.
Speaker AI don't want it interpreted, whoever, in a man's way or his opinions.
Speaker AI just want it how it was meant to be, how I'm supposed to take it in, and how it's supposed to make me feel and how I live my life.
Speaker AAnd I try to do the best that I can.
Speaker AAnd I'm not one of these, well, if I'm just a good person, like, I know I need to be better in my faith and I know I need to be stronger because at the end of the day, our kids are the only thing we can take with us.
Speaker AAnd to me that's like, okay, if it just takes me believing in God, believing in Christ, following his word, doing everything I can to be a disciple of him and to be able to like, allow, if I can use this platform to just allow guys to come on here and talk, talk about their journeys and their faith.
Speaker AAnd one of my listeners listens are like, damn, okay, like, that makes sense.
Speaker AThat's where I'm at with it.
Speaker AI just, I want the peace that it brings me, the joy, the love.
Speaker ADude, I was a hateful person.
Speaker AI've talked about on this podcast a lot of times.
Speaker ALike, I was hating discontent for I fought the world on everything.
Speaker AAnd it's like, man, if it could bring me to the piece where I'm at now.
Speaker AAnd like, I just enjoy my life and I enjoy my family and I love being around them.
Speaker AAnd I want other men, I want other people to feel that as well.
Speaker AIt's like, why would I not?
Speaker AYou know?
Speaker AAnd it's like.
Speaker ABut I need to educate myself more on the.
Speaker AFor the ability to be able to talk to them and help them along their journeys where I'm at, you know, and it's, and it's great.
Speaker ADude, I love the fact that you're this on fire and you're gonna change a lot of lives, man.
Speaker ALike, this was one of my big reasons of having you out here.
Speaker ALike, I, I've watched you for a while and I've seen, seen your growth has been insane.
Speaker AAnd the fact that, like I said in the beginning, you're not just out here regurgitating for clicks and likes.
Speaker ALike, you're flying to these countries, you're studying this, You're.
Speaker AYou're engulfing yourself in the, the heritage, the history, the cultures, everything that built what you believe and what you stand for.
Speaker AYou're learning it.
Speaker AYou're not just out here just oh yeah.
Speaker AThis, this and this guy said this and I'm going to say it just because I need the views and the growth.
Speaker ALike you're going to be changing.
Speaker AYou are.
Speaker AI'm not going to say you're going to be like you are changing.
Speaker AYou're going to be ahead of a movement, man.
Speaker ALike I am.
Speaker AI'm excited to watch this and I'm excited to watch you grow because I don't even think you've even started your stride yet.
Speaker ALike you.
Speaker BI don't think so either.
Speaker BI mean I started in April.
Speaker BI started all this in April.
Speaker ASo insane, man.
Speaker BYeah, we're just getting started.
Speaker AI would be praying for you that meta doesn't freaking make you go away.
Speaker AThat's the biggest.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AScariest thing for guys like yeah.
Speaker BIs.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AYou have such a.
Speaker AIncredible voice in a future ahead of you and as far as leading men to Christ meeting, having men wake up and realize what's going on in this.
Speaker BCountry and yeah, that's the main goal, man.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker AAnd that's where that's a lot of my prayers for you are going to be going is that you continue to grow just to spread this word and to be able to have these conversations and show the world what's really the truth and facts.
Speaker ADude, that's it.
Speaker AThat's all these people need to see.
Speaker AThey don't need the sugar fluff and all the.
Speaker AThat comes along with it.
Speaker AIt's.
Speaker ADude, just hit him with it.
Speaker AAnd I'm really excited to see where.
Speaker BThank you brother.
Speaker BAppreciate it.
Speaker AYeah, yeah.
Speaker AI appreciate your time coming out here.
Speaker BDude.
Speaker BThis was actually like.
Speaker BThis might have been the best podcast I've done so far.
Speaker BHonestly.
Speaker BThis was good.
Speaker BLike the dialogue, sometimes it's just like dude.
Speaker BSometimes cuz.
Speaker BSometimes it's just like a. I just ramble.
Speaker BLike people will ask me like these open ended questions and then I ramble and then they don't even give me commentary.
Speaker BThey just go to the next question.
Speaker BBut like this was a great back and forth, you know, good dialogue.
Speaker ADude, you have no idea what that means, man.
Speaker AYou like, especially you being great.
Speaker AYou've been on my studio.
Speaker BThis is the best studio, best show I've been on so far.
Speaker BBest dialogue.
Speaker BI'm not even joking.
Speaker BI'm not gassing you up.
Speaker BThis is good, bro.
Speaker AYou have no idea what that means, man.
Speaker ALike the fact that my kid and I do this.
Speaker BYeah, we have no idea what we're.
Speaker ADoing half the time.
Speaker ABut it's just that's.
Speaker AI just want to have Real conversations, people.
Speaker AAnd give people the opportunity to talk and to tell who they are and, like, what they believe in.
Speaker AAnd I. Dude, that.
Speaker AThat was awesome.
Speaker AYou have.
Speaker AYou have no idea, dude.
Speaker ALike, seriously, I've been.
Speaker AI've been watching your growth this whole time.
Speaker ALike, God, this guy is crushing.
Speaker ALike, he's.
Speaker AAnd then the.
Speaker AYour message and everything that's going on with it.
Speaker AI appreciate you coming and doing this.
Speaker BThanks for having me.
Speaker AI'm glad we got left K at.
Speaker B4 hours and 6 minutes.
Speaker AChristmas, not too bad.
Speaker ADude, I can talk to you for days.
Speaker AI'm about to get you back out here.
Speaker BThat flew by, actually.
Speaker AWell, bro, I guess we could probably end on that.
Speaker BYeah, I mean, there's plenty more to talk about, but I'm kind of hungry.
Speaker AI'm gonna have you back.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ASo leading on this, you are a man of faith.
Speaker AYou are very passionate about this country, and you fought for your country.
Speaker AI mean, you sign that dotted line, you've done a lot of things.
Speaker AIf there is a message for young men in this world right now that are lost, they're lost in porn, they're lost in social media, they're lost in envy and watching other people's growth.
Speaker AIf there is a message for young men of your generation, even mine, bro, you're going to be changing all lives of all ages.
Speaker AYou have a message for them.
Speaker BYeah, it's my stern belief.
Speaker BYou know, I. I talk about that.
Speaker BThat idea that people have become batteries to the system and they've become so complacent and like, mindless zombies just plugged into the matrix.
Speaker BAnd I try to get men out of that mindset and let them know that the chances of you being born are next to none.
Speaker BYou gotta think all of your ancestors had to meet the right people, and then your mom had to meet your dad, and your sperm cell had to make it to the egg.
Speaker BThe chances of you being born are literally almost impossible.
Speaker BAnd yet here you are.
Speaker BAnd it's my belief that God created everybody and he loves everybody and has a purpose for everybody.
Speaker BAnd that purpose is not to be a battery to serve the evil, the devil of this world.
Speaker BSo for every man out there, every person watching this, I would say find your.
Speaker BFind number one.
Speaker BFind the truth of who Christ is.
Speaker BIt's there.
Speaker BYou'll find it.
Speaker BAnd if you can't find it on your own, if you've never prayed, get on your knees and just imagine God's up there.
Speaker BAsk him to reveal himself to you.
Speaker BFind Christ.
Speaker BFrom there, you will find a Deep, meaningful purpose.
Speaker BBut pursue that.
Speaker BThere's something for you in this world.
Speaker BYou're not here to just float around forever until you die.
Speaker BThere's a purpose for you.
Speaker BSo I would say find Christ.
Speaker BAnd after that, find your purpose and pursue that with everything that you have with the utmost character and integrity.
Speaker AI love it.
Speaker ADude.
Speaker AWould you like to finish with a prayer?
Speaker ASure, let's do it.
Speaker BName of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Speaker BLord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us sinners.
Speaker BLord, I want to praise you and thank you for this day.
Speaker BI want to praise you and thank you for this new friend of mine and the ability that we could come here and.
Speaker BAnd speak and have a fruitful conversation in your name.
Speaker BLord, I pray that all things that we do and say and all things in this podcast would have been to the glory of you above all else, Lord, the Lord of the universe that knows all things.
Speaker BLord, you have a plan for us and the plan for everybody who watched this show, a plan for Bam and his wife and his family.
Speaker BI pray for your hand of protection over them.
Speaker BI pray for your hand of guidance over them.
Speaker BLord, I pray that you would preserve Bam and use him for the glory of your kingdom.
Speaker BLord, I pray that you would use Bam and wield his life as a sword in your hand against the evils of this world.
Speaker BI pray that you would use him and guide his steps, that you would give him ultimate discernment and peace and understanding that you are the Lord over all, who has all things in your control.
Speaker BLord, I pray that my words would speak through to the people, that they would cut through and deep through to their soul like the sharpness of your word.
Speaker BI pray all of these things in your son's name, in the name of the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit.
Speaker BAmen.
Speaker AAmen.
Speaker ADude.
Speaker ADamn.
Speaker BGood one.
Speaker AThat was a banger, bro.
Speaker ADamn.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ANever know wild chaos.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AYou never know how they're gonna go.
Speaker AI'm having you back anytime you want.
Speaker BYeah, this is.