In case you didn't know, the kingdom of God is here and is moving forward.

And God invites you and I to be a part of his movement, using our unique gifts and talents to impact every sphere of influence for his kingdom.

On today's episode of Worship Leader Pod, I'm joined by my amazing friend, Jasmine Wheeler, worship pastor at Mercy Culture Church.

Together we explore what it means to be a creative in God's kingdom, the power of godly influence and the joys of motherhood and so much more.

So open up your heart and let God speak and move as you listen.

Come on, let's get into it.

So, hello and welcome back to Worship Leader Pod.

I am your host, Amber Fugate.

And today I'm super pumped to have a very long time friend of mine on the show who I've known ever since she was a young teenager, which is crazy.

And she, and I've been super blessed to watch her grow into an amazing woman of God, a mother, a wife.

And I'm super excited to have her here.

Welcome Jasmine Wheeler, the one and only.

Welcome.

Welcome, Jasmine.

Hi.

It's an honor to be on this podcast.

Thanks for having me.

Yes, yes, absolutely.

This is, you know, we're recording this the day after the election.

So it's, it's a lot of, it's a lot of different vibes going on, good ones and also processing as we were kind of chatting before the show.

So we don't know where this is going to go.

We're going to go with whatever the Holy Spirit wants to do in this conversation.

But I am super, super excited, Jasmine, to have you here because, you know, obviously with the history that we've had just from me meeting you when I was in Bible college in Columbus, Ohio and being through, going through Bible college and then even still connecting throughout the years, whether it's like via social media, calling each other, etc, and it's honestly been super cool, like super cool to see you like from jazz, you know, it's like Jazz to Jasmine to Pastor Jasmine, to Mama Jasmine to wife Jasmine.

Like, it's super dope.

Like, I like love it.

It's like an unfolding and it's been super, honestly encouraging for me even in this year where I've been able to really lean in on just your amazing wisdom throughout this election and not just election, but just like my walk with the Lord and understanding the Bible and understanding what God is doing and really walking through really the whole country and those who have an ear to hear through navigating the election year and the Times that we live in.

And so it's been really super honoring to be able to watch you and kind of be a part of that.

And really, like, I feel like I owe you an offering because of how much I've been invested in just, like, listening to you and all of that.

So.

I have a funny story.

It's not my funny actually.

It's actually really cool story, but I remember when I was.

Let's see, I just got married, and I.

I don't know if we were, like, texting or something.

It was like, so 2011.

I left Columbus in 2007 or 8, and we were still in touch.

And you're like, we got to talk.

I'm like, all right, call me, girl.

Let's chat.

And you downloaded a vision that you had for Hollywood coming to know Christ.

Like, people in that industry, you.

Like, the whole industry needs to change.

There's literally, I'm excited to meet and I can't remember who you mentioned, like, the most famous person and lead that person to Jesus.

And you're just going through this whole vision.

I'm just like, yeah.

Yes, let's go.

Right pumped.

And I just loved seeing that, like, that seed almost, like, get kind of, like planting it with your words.

And then literally, I'm watching that unfold to today.

Like the.

And it's not about.

It's not about popularity or, like, influence.

It's about the godly influence to go into spaces to basically invade the spaces for the kingdom of God.

Like, that's been super, super dope about that.

Talk about that a little bit, like.

Talk about, like, oh, maybe give us a little bit of that vision that you had and where you see it now and things that you.

Anything you want to share in that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, I mean, it's crazy.

It's been a wild journey in that space.

I think I had an encounter probably early, early 2000s, when I was in high school, early high school, where I was at a store with some friends, and we saw, you know, the tabloids right before you about to check out, and there's, like, candy and, like, magazines, and they try to get you before you finish.

They get you right.

So I saw a magazine at the time that was talking about Lindsay Lohan and how jacked up her life was.

It was some divorce.

Her parents were being divorced.

All this drama and drugs.

Da, da, da, da.

And I was standing with some friends, and we saw it, and my friends at the time started kind of laughing and poking fun at Lindsay Lohan's life and There was this, like, deep conviction that came up in me of, like, if that was any of us, we wouldn't be laughing like that.

Like, it wouldn't be.

And it kind of started this journey with me of, like, paying attention to people, celebrities and people in the industry, influencers, their lives, and like, how we had stripped their humanity from them so much.

We were entertained by them, but we don't care about their human condition.

And it was bothering me the more I saw it.

And basically at the same time, you might remember this, but the church that I grew up in, which is the place where you're at, the Bible college that you went to, was.

I.

I don't know why, if I'm super honest, but I just had, like, supernatural favor there.

And so I would get caught up on the stage all the time, or like, I just had favor at this mega church.

And so I started to notice at some point in my time there that people would almost try to build relationship with me to try to, like, climb this weird social ladder in the church.

And it just put a bad taste in my mouth for influence.

Put a bad taste in my mouth for stages for being an influence at churches.

Like, I was just like, I don't want.

I don't want this.

I don't know what this is, but I'm not interested in it.

I saw a lot behind the scenes, and it was just kind of like, I don't want anything to do with influence.

I don't want anybody treating me weird, and I don't want to be on the stage.

But it also gave me even more compassion and empathy for people in the industry who actually had real intense influence.

So mine was minor in our little.

Our little community, our little church.

But I'm like, if I'm experiencing this on this level, what is the Lindsay Lohan?

What are these people experiencing?

And so God really gave me a burden during that season for people in the arts and entertainment industry.

And as I began to pray for those people and as I jumped into music In 2009, 2010, I started getting all these prophetic words about doing music.

And super long story short, it's a wild, long journey.

But I gave the Lord my yes and music.

And then the Holy Spirit began to teach me how to play the guitar.

And music just kind of like opened up for me in a way that I wasn't expecting as I went into college.

And the mix of getting into doing music and the heart for people in the arts and entertainment industry kind of led me into this place of becoming very Passionate, I believe, a godly carrying God's heart for the arts and entertainment industry.

And then the Lord gave me a vision of this creative community that would train and equip people to go into the industry and advance the kingdom.

There's people that need to know the Lord there.

And I believe that the arts and entertainment industry is one of the greatest ways that generations get discipled.

We're in election in an election season, and we literally have seen specifically the Democratic side, some of the Republican side, but we specifically watched an entire party use the arm of the arts and entertainment industry to try to win an election.

And so I really believe that politics is downstream from the arts and entertainment industry.

And so, wow, if we're not impacting the arts and entertainment industry, then we will lose continuously.

Like, and so we can't, like, not be involved in the arts and entertainment industry and not try to impact that world and train people how to do it and expect to see revival and reformation in our day.

It's just not real because it's one of the most influential places in the nation.

And so I always tell people I got discipled by Eminem.

They're like, you hung out with Eminem when you were little?

No, but I listened to Eminem all the time in middle school.

Eminem taught me how to.

How to.

Eminem taught me how to process my family brokenness.

And it wasn't great what he taught me, but he taught me how to process the brokenness of my home.

Yeah.

And there's little girls being discipled by Taylor Swift right now.

There's little girls being discipled by Sexy Red.

There's little girls and little boys discipled by all of these people in the industry.

So the further we get from the arts and entertainment industry and the desire to see the kingdom advance, the less ground we take for the kingdom, where people get to know Jesus and get to know the ways of God, you know?

Yeah.

And what do you say to people who feel like, oh, well, you know, we shouldn't get into that world.

That's not like, you know, and you're talking about it, but it's like, that's a real feeling.

Even with the political side, which I love, with you guys at mercy culture, Landon and Heather and your community, you talk about how, like, things are not.

It's not a political thing.

It's spiritual.

Like, there's a spiritual asset to that.

But it feels like in the Christian culture, that feels like, well, don't do that.

That's separate.

We pray for them on the side but we're not engaged with that.

So like, how do we do that better and how do we break down those walls to get into that sphere?

Because you're right, we do need to be taking dominion in that area because it affects the entire country, which is crazy.

Like, we're watching it, you know, we watched it happen.

Yeah.

And I think the language that I would use is Jesus instructed us to be salt and light in the world.

And so that doesn't look like just being stuck in the salt shaker.

Come on, get me out of your salt shaker.

It is what it is.

Like what good is salt if it's just sitting in the salt shaker?

Like it actually has to do something in the earth, you know?

And so I think sometimes we have this mindset that if we just stay in our little Christian bubbles and just pray and just preach the gospel to people in the church, that like, things are gonna get better.

And yeah, especially I keep hearing that.

I'm just like, guys, like, let's just be logical.

Let's just think logically here.

Like, does it make sense?

You know, not to mention biblically, it's not biblical.

And so you have people like Daniel, people like Esther, people like Ezra in the Bible, all over the Bible, Joseph, like you can literally go down the line and see that there are people who were involved very much beyond the temple, beyond the four walls of the church.

The reason that Jesus had to wash the disciples feet is because they weren't just hanging out in the temple all day, they were out among the people in society.

And so I, I just, I get really passionate about this and I have to like, bring it back, calm down a little bit because I think we're losing ground because of this lie that we can actually do something and not have to leave the four walls of the church.

It's comfort, it's comfortable to stay in the church.

Is it easier to stay in the church?

It's less conflict to stay in the church.

Like, we don't, we don't get to live that way.

I think something that I love that's interesting, that I think is super interesting is in the 70s, we all love to talk about the Jesus people movement that happened in the 70s, right.

We love what God did and all the hippies coming to know Jesus and.

But if you look, if you look at it or in the 60s, sorry, the late 60s, into the 70s, and if you look at it, during that time was the sexual revolution, right?

So there's drugs, there's sex, there's music, all this stuff happening in creativity.

There's a ton happening in the world.

And all of a sudden, God starts moving.

People start getting saved again, baptized in the ocean.

All kinds of crazy stuff is going on.

And then there's these three men of God that have these encounters with the Lord where God begins to speak to them about these other areas of influence that God wanted them to impact in order to see people's lives changed.

And we know them now.

Some people know them now as the seven mountains.

But.

But there's three men of God that had similar encounters of the Lord speaking to them about this, that were in leadership, one of which was the leader of.

We would know the ministries of Ywam.

I can't the three guys named at this moment.

But they're super influential in ministry.

And basically what happened is that message was revolutionary because during the Jesus People movement, the keynote scripture for that movement was, come out from among you and be ye separate.

And so a ton of people came out of culture, they came out of working in the marketplace, came out of all these different realms, and they're like, we're just going to focus on Jesus.

And that was amazing.

But if you look at it, I think it's interesting that God's response to that movement was to give people the revelation of the seven mountains and say, this is awesome, but I need you to go and do something with it outside of the church.

You to actually, like, go and influence society.

And so what happened, the response to come out from among you and be separate was to make all of these subculture, or to make all of these little things of Christian music and Christian movies and Christian everything.

We began to create our own subculture to keep ourselves away from people.

And there's tons of people now that will say, that was one of people who were involved in that then who will today.

Dutch Sheets is one of those people who talked about it a few weeks ago at a conference at our church that they realized one of the biggest mistakes they made during that time was to get out of culture because we forfeited territory.

God wanted to take what he was doing in those people, and he wanted to put it on display for the nation to see.

But we said, no, no, no.

We're just gonna, like, get in our little corners and recreate our own genres of music and recreate our own movies and look at what Jesus has done in our life.

Thank you, Lord, for the Holy Spirit that's filled us with wisdom and strategy and all these things.

And we're actually going to go and now See the kingdom impact movies and impact the music industry, impact all these things.

So I just believe we lost a lot of territory during that time.

And I don't agree with all of the teachings and all the things that have come out about Set the Seven Mountains and Dominionism and all that.

So I don't agree with all of that.

But I do believe that God has given us an assignment to be salt and light in the earth, that we should be in all of those places influencing, impacting, seeing God's the kingdom, the attributes of heaven, the ways of God impacting those areas and those spheres of influence in the world.

And so, anyway, I'm super passionate about it.

I just think it's a work of the enemy to keep us stuck in the church.

Yes, yes.

I mean, you can see even now, I mean, maybe you can attest to this because you're really involved in this.

But, like, there is change happening in that.

Like, we are.

Like, the church really is going.

And you can tell.

I mean, even the music industry, I'm like, whoa, we're not messing around, you know, and in movies and things like that, how do we.

Because I'm sitting at the table, I'm talking to you.

Because it's like, okay, I want to know how I can do that.

But I'm sure there's other people who might be listening, like, okay, how do I get involved in that?

And I know a lot of that.

It comes with awareness, knowing where you are in a sense of like, am I stuck here?

Have I been complacent and kind of stuck in my own world, that I've been afraid to go out and, you know, showcase God's creativity through, whether it's songwriting or teaching, teaching something or.

There's so many different avenues.

But maybe we need more awareness of where we are and then to step out into what God's called us, basically to take territory.

And I love that.

That phrase that you said.

It's like we're losing ground.

And we don't need to be losing ground at this point.

We need to be making traction.

We need to be.

We need to be taking over, in a sense, in a godly way.

And so how do we do that?

Like, what?

Some.

Anything you got practical.

It could be spiritual applications to maybe help somebody who's like, okay, I hear what you're saying, Jessica.

How do I move forward in doing that?

Yeah, absolutely, I think so.

Let me just start with this.

The Bible says that the kingdom of heaven, that it is currently advancing.

Yes.

And so to me, what that Means is God is moving.

And the ways of God, the nature of God, the, the way of his kingdom is advancing in the earth.

It is expanding, it is moving forward, it is spreading in the earth.

And I feel like walking with Jesus is an invitation to partner with God in the advancing.

So that doesn't mean that I can pick up myself and just decide I'm going to strive and just make something happen in the kingdom.

It means, no, no, no, God's doing something.

Like he said that the kingdom is advancing currently.

I get to jump in, partner with God and be a part of what he's doing in the earth.

And so practically speaking, I think paying attention to the things that God has given us, the things that he's put in our hands.

So good.

I love that Jesus is ministering to people in the Gospels and all of a sudden he realizes these people haven't eaten, they're hungry.

And one of the stories goes is there's a little boy who has some lunch, and they take lunch.

And Jesus multiplies this little boy's lunch to feed the masses.

And to me, our gifts, our talents, our passions, the things that make us come alive are our lunch in the hands of Jesus.

So when we give Jesus our gifts, when we give him our talents, when we give him the passions, things that he's put inside of us, he takes those things, he multiplies it, and then he gives it to, he uses it to serve the world the way that he wants serve the world.

So the problem is, if you think that your lunch is yours, it never multiplies.

You take the lunch and you give it to Jesus and you say, this is not mine, this is actually yours.

You give Jesus permission to do what he wants with it.

I can't help but wonder in that story, like, if you think about the kids lunch, like, what actually happened, like in the actual physical sense, like in the molecular structure of the food, like what happened, this kid's food changed somehow.

Like it turned into something that it was not in order to serve people.

And so with that being said, it's kind of like you have these gifts, you have these passions, but when you put it in the hands of God, you give him permission to do whatever he wants, wants with it.

Which means sometimes the structure of it, the way that you saw it last, it may change by the time it gets in his hands.

But when you give it to him, it's trusting.

He's going to do what he wants to do with it, and he's going.

To do more than you could have.

Did with it on your own.

What you could have did with your gift on your own was just feed yourself, was just satisfy yourself.

But when you put it in the hands of Jesus, he actually can serve people.

He can.

He can serve people.

No.

And so I want Jesus to serve people with the gift that he gave to me anyway, because it's not mine, it's his.

And so we have these Christians who have these gifts and these passions to act and to sing.

And I mean, man, Amber.

All the time.

All the time.

I'm meeting worship leaders who they love leading worship.

They're passionate about it.

And I'll be like, but, like, do you write songs?

They're like, yeah.

And then they'll pull up their voice memos and they'll have a ton of songs that aren't worship songs that are about life and about love and about family and about all these kingdom things, and they don't know what to do with them.

And they think, I can't do anything with this because I'm just a worship leader.

I just gotta, like, lead corporate worship.

Yeah.

Like, yeah.

And the dangerous part of that is to me.

And I'm not.

I'm not trying to come at you.

Oh, you're good.

I love it.

No, no, I love it.

But I'm saying, like, those songs are lunch.

Like, that's our lunch.

And we have to put it in the hands of Jesus so he can do something with it.

He doesn't just want to minister to the world through our worship songs.

Like, he wants to disciple a generation on heartache and love and marriage and heartbreak and growing up in a world like this.

Like, he wants to use people who have met him.

Like, who better to write love songs than people who have authentically encountered the God who is love?

Yes.

That's so good.

Surrender this position of writing love songs to people who are bound in lust and sexual perversion and sexual immorality.

And we say, we'll let you write the love songs because we're not allowed to write love songs.

And it's like, hold on.

Why?

Why aren't we writing love songs that make marriage.

Marriage is stronger and marriage is healthier?

So there's all these pockets.

I'm specifically talking songwriting right now.

But look at that same perspective.

Think about it with acting.

Think about it with film.

Think about it with fashion.

Think about it with all these other areas.

I mean, the Bible says that when Paul would go minister that his handkerchiefs carried healing power on them, that people got healed from his.

From his handkerchiefs.

And so, like, to me, I'm like, okay, you can look at that story and be like, cool.

The power of God was on the dude's handkerchiefs.

Well, to me, like, that was fabric.

God showed us that he can be on fabric, that he can touch people.

He can heal people through fabric.

So why aren't we in the fashion industry making clothes that carry the power of God?

Like, why do we think we just gotta make shirts for Christians that say scripture on them and sell them to church people?

And that's the only way that we can see the kingdom advance?

No, there should be people at New York Fashion Week that are creating clothes that recreate the standard of what modesty and purity looks like in a generation and makes it attractive again to be modest, to be pure, to value your body and to.

And then clothes that carry the God on them.

Like, you know, and so we just get stuck in these boxes.

And so, practically speaking, I would say, understanding that your gift is not your own, continuously giving your gift back to Jesus and saying, jesus, whatever you want to do with my songwriting, whatever you want to do with this desire for this passion for fashion, whatever you want to do with this passion for film and for acting, I'm inviting you to take this bread and take these fish and serve people with it and give me your heart and mind for what it looks like to do that.

And so I think it has to start with a heart posture.

I think it has to start with praying, that type of prayer.

And then I think the Lord begins to give strategy.

He begins to give blueprints and instructions as we ask him.

And he says, hey, I want you to do this.

I want you to go try out for this film.

I want you to release this album about.

Release this song, this video on TikTok.

Like, he begins to give instructions, but it has to start with the heart posture of, this is not mine.

This is yours.

Right?

Right.

Absolutely.

And I immediately just imagine the story in Exodus when Moses is giving God all his excuses and his I can't do this because of.

And I love God's response three times.

And God says, you know, what's in front of you?

Like, what have I given to you?

And then Moses goes.

And he goes through the list of why he's unfit for this position.

He's giving God the decree.

He said, don't you see?

These are the things that I cannot do.

And he said, but am I not the God who made the mouth?

Am I not the God who can fill?

Am I not the God who can open eyes?

And open ears.

And then Moses again says, I know, but can you just pick somebody else?

Like, I feel like there's a better option.

I feel like there's a better option.

And then God's.

God in his mercy and his love does bring someone to help Moses.

And I love that picture because I can relate to it, too, in a sense of, like, someone can come alongside of you.

God will give you everything you need is basically what I'm trying to say.

He will give you everything that you need, and he will reveal to you that what you have in your hand, your lunch, is not yours.

And he wants to multiply it.

And it's not going to be.

And it's not going to be in your doing.

It's not by your might, it's not by your power, and it's not even in your own strength.

It's about you just saying yes, giving God your yes every single step of the way.

Like.

And I say, like, I'm guilty of that because it's like, you just get too much in your head, especially with songwriting, because you're like, is this going to be it?

Is this the hit?

Is this going to be the one?

You know, And I remember you and I talking about, like, even songs that you're like, yeah, I got the song.

I didn't even think it was going to go anywhere.

I didn't even.

I just.

It was, you know.

But if you can look at songs or you can look at writing or you can look at fashion, you can look at all these things as an offering.

Yeah, you bring it to God as an offering, and that is what he wants.

He's not looking for sacrifice.

He's looking for your heart.

He's looking for the offering.

And so when we give that to him.

When I said yes to leading worship, even though I felt unqualified, X, Y, and Z, When I started this podcast, and I felt unqualified and don't know what to do, God says, what have I given to you?

Just say yes.

And he.

And he gives us exactly what we need.

And I love that, Jasmine, because I feel like even when you were talking about people in the industry who need Jesus, who need even just that encouragement and that light, you know, to do what they're doing and see that what they are doing is a reflection of what God has put inside of them, they need those errands to come into their life and say, hey, I'm going to help you with this.

We need to disciple these people, and we should be just as passionate about them as Just like the people that we go to church with every week.

And so I just.

I love just the idea.

Not even the idea, but the truth of, you know, our gift is not ours, and it is his.

And when we can identify.

That's why I talked about awareness.

When you are aware, I feel like the Holy Spirit gives us awareness.

He says, whoa, where are you?

What have I given you?

What are you doing?

Where have I placed you?

It's not by accident, but I'm giving you a.

The instruction, too.

I'm going to give you the instruction to take a step forward.

Just say yes every single time.

So anyone who's listening to this, you're kind of drenched in songwriting and not sure what to do.

This is also me.

Don't know what to do.

I have all these voice memos.

Don't know what to do.

But have I offered it to the Lord, or have I just kept it for myself to only feed myself?

Ask yourself those questions, and these are good questions because they're healthy questions to help you be aware of what the Kingdom of God is doing now.

Because he wants us to participate in that.

So if you're listening to that, listen to the Holy Spirit and let him just speak to you and things that you've done and things that you have in your hand that he wants you to offer up.

So that was extra.

But I.

I love that.

And I have been following Axel and.

Is that.

Did I say that right?

Okay.

Yeah, Axel.

Mercy culture.

I mean, you guys know I'm a fan.

I'm just like, I'm here for it.

Okay?

I'm here for it.

And I just absolutely love that you invest in this.

You know, it's like, especially in creatives, it's like.

Yeah, I feel like we get not missed, but kind of especially, like in the church, you know, there's not actually that space to really do as much as you want.

Not that churches necessarily don't want that, but we don't make as much room for it so that people can find that awareness and know what God has placed in their hands.

And so.

So I'd love for you just to talk a little bit about what Axel is, where it stemmed from.

And really, I know that you guys have conferences and you have, like, all these different things that people can be a part of, and I feel like this community would very, very much benefit from that.

So please talk about that.

Yes.

So Axel is a.

We call it a house vision of mercy culture.

House visions are basically ministries that have one step, one foot in our house.

Our church and one foot out.

And so a lot of times, maybe in the past, people call those paraministries and they would get a bad rap.

We found a way in our church for people to carry vision that's beyond just the corporate encounter, be supported by the church and have reach outside of the church.

And so Axel is one of those.

And I lead Axel.

I started with an encounter that I had in 2013, wasn't.

I wasn't like asking the Lord for this or praying for this, but I heard the Lord say, right?

I heard the Lord whisper audibly to me, it's like an arts label one day.

And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know what that means.

I've never heard that phrase before.

I don't know what this is.

And then I went into a meeting with my pastor at the time, and during our meeting he stopped me and he said, hey, can I submit this prophetic word to you?

And I said, sure.

And he says, the Lord showed me that he's about to give you a blueprint for an apostolic creatives movement in the earth.

And it's going to be like an arts label.

And blew me away because I hadn't really.

I hadn't shared that with it with a soul.

And that's the exact same phrase that the Lord gave me.

A couple weeks later, I'm recording my first full length album and I'm with some friends at another friend's house who's producing the album.

And I had this encounter with the Lord.

And in this encounter, I'm in this room and on the wall of the room I was in, I see this neon blue ink, this.

This blueprint drawn out in neon blue ink.

And I began.

I opened my journal and began to draw out what I saw.

And the Lord began to speak to me about what he wanted to do in culture and amongst these creatives.

And Fast forward moved to Fort Worth, Texas to be a part of mercy culture in 2018, I think it was.

Wow.

And when I moved here, the Lord began to speak very clearly about how it was time to birth Axel with this house in Fort Worth.

And so we birthed it.

And basically it's a community of creatives all over the world.

In America, we have a couple other nations represented right now as well.

And the whole vision of Axel is to equip and empower sons and daughters to advance the kingdom through their creative expression.

And so the whole idea is God wants to advance the kingdom through what's in your hands.

And we want to equip people to do it.

Because if you're called to be in the industry but you're not equipped, you will do what tons of other influencers have done.

Where you go into the industry, you get eaten up because it is a very spiritual place place.

So if you're not prepared spiritually, you will get eaten up in the industry.

And people do it all the time.

And then as it happens, then Christians say, see, that's why we don't go into the arts entertainment industry, because people get sucked up into it and they lose their faith.

And it's like, so either either the gospel doesn't work and the spirit of the Lord isn't actually greater than the spirit that's in the world, or we haven't equipped people to be in these spaces and we just send them out there by themselves, throw them to the wolves, and we don't help them them.

And so our passion is to help people, to give them the tools that they need to go and thrive when they're.

When they're called to the arts and entertainment industry.

And so at this, at this moment, I don't have the exact number in front of me, but I believe it's over.

Our influence at this Moment is over 8 million people in reach of the influencers that we are helping building them up.

That's amazing.

That are actually in the industry, acting, doing different things.

So there's a ton of influencers on social media, actors, singers, songwriters that we work with, we walk with, and we're equipping them, giving them the tools that they need to do what they're called to do.

And so it's not a super flashy ministry because it's a very underground thing that we feel like we're called to do.

It's not secretive, but like we're just called to help people go and influence the world.

So we're not trying to be the face, we're trying to help the people that are called to be in those places.

And so I'm super passionate about it.

We do something called the Creatives Intensive once a year, where it's essentially like a creatives conference, if you will.

It's just a little more intense.

That's why we call it an intensive.

You see what I did there?

But there's tons of sessions, tons of people who are currently in the industry that come and teach and give away what goes God has done in their life.

I love that we just equip people who feel called to.

There's usually about 150, 200 creatives that show up.

It's limited seating.

Our cap is about 200.

And we literally just.

We just pour into them for about three days straight and then create a.

For them to stay connected afterwards.

So you know as you're out there that you're not the only one.

That you're not Elijah.

That's like, I'm the only one out here, Lord.

Ain't nobody else.

And the Lord's like, actually, there's thousands that haven't bowed there, need to bail.

We take joy in showing creatives, you're not the only one that's doing this.

There's a ton of others of you.

And we want to connect them so they can meet each other.

Yes.

I absolutely love that it's like discipleship or like creatives intensive discipleship.

Because it's not just.

It's.

It's all.

Obviously everything's kingdom based, but then there's also some practicality and sense of, like, doing what you do in that.

And because.

Because I love that you were saying that, you know, there's different categories in that, where people can learn from the different people, whether that's acting and singing and songwriting and media and film and all.

All the different things.

And that is honestly kind of unheard of.

So that's why I'm like, when I heard that, I was like, whoa, this is different.

But it makes sense.

After hearing your story of, like, the prophetic word that was over your life and an over axel and how that will, I believe it's just.

I think it's just gonna go much higher than you think, and it's going to really cross over, which I think that is probably your heart to go across and pass Texas and everywhere else.

And I absolutely love that.

That just gets me fired up because it's like, hey, the king, like you said, the gospel works.

The kingdom of God is here.

It is advancing.

Let's go.

Let's not sit in our, like, four walls and just tweedle our thumbs and sing how great is our God.

Let's actually lead the way.

And I like that.

Our God is great.

Let's go.

Actually show it.

Yeah.

Yes.

Actually do it.

It's amazing what actual things that we actually do.

That's awesome.

I will leave some links and all that to anybody who wants to get connected with that because I've been encouraged and I know that as you guys put stuff out, intensive and things like that, I know a lot of people will be really encouraged by that.

So keep doing that, man.

I love Love that you guys do that so much.

So one thing I want to chat about before we end here is your family.

I just.

I just love your family so much.

So Jasmine had a baby boy, Ezra.

He is scrumptious.

He's so cute.

I just cannot.

He is just way too cute.

He's so precious.

And, you know.

But obviously, like, you got married.

What.

What year did you get married?

2022.

2022.

I think it's been a long night.

It's election.

Yeah, Election week.

Where are we?

What year is it?

I think we got married in 2022.

Okay.

All right.

We're just over the two year mark.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

And then have baby Ezra.

And then you guys are in Texas and doing all of that.

And I, I again, this story always comes to mind when I was in my kitchen.

I told you this already, but I was in my kitchen.

The Lord encounters me in the kitchen.

I don't know what it is about the kitchen, but the Lord encounters me in the kitchen.

He's like, stop what you're doing and just rest.

So I'm like, cleaning, mind my own business.

And I have worship music playing on Alexa and there's a song and I was like, yes.

And I'm just like, stop what I'm doing.

I'm worshiping.

And then I look on the Alexa because I wanted to, like, save it so I can hear.

And it was.

It was easy by Mercy Culture featuring Jasmine.

I said, oh, my God, it's Jasmine.

I was like, I knew I recognized that voice, number one and number two, I was like, shut up, let's go.

I just could feel.

I don't know.

I just, like, loved.

And I felt like I miss her so much.

And so I loved.

So again, I mean, we.

I mean, I follow you.

I've been following you forever.

So I, like, went back on your profile.

I'm like, what's she doing?

Because, like, she's on my heart now, like, stalking her.

And like, she had a baby.

She had this.

I'm like, what?

She had a baby?

And then she dropped an album.

I don't.

I don't know.

Like, I need to get my life together if she's having a baby.

And then the next day, dropping a song about a baby.

All the things I know.

Yes.

But then when we talked about it, I was like, okay, I get, I get the wrong.

But please talk about that song.

So it's a song about baby.

I want to hear.

Yeah, tell us, Tell us.

Yeah, it's called Little Baby I recorded it the summer before I had the baby, so it's not as impressive as it seems.

I recorded the year summer before I had the baby.

I recorded it and then knew I was supposed to release it right after I had the baby.

I timed it.

I really.

I put it online.

Baby K.

And no, I wrote the song several years ago.

I think I actually started writing the song in 2014, and I finished the song while I was in the studio.

I wrote it for a couple that had just adopted a baby in 2014, and they asked me to write a song for the baby they adopted.

And so I started it and then didn't do much with it.

I just sent them the recording of it and kind of kept it moving.

And then the summer before I had the baby, the Lord began to speak to me about the song again and said, you know, that he wanted me to finish it.

And so the song is.

I mean, it is exactly what we're talking about, these kingdom songs.

We.

Yeah, we are celebrating.

We've celebrated this year, at least I've celebrated this year.

I think both of us, all of us, the overturning of Roe v.

Wade.

And I think that really, it's really beautiful.

It's major.

However, if we change laws but hearts are not reformed, we don't make.

We don't take all of the ground that we could take for the Kingdom.

It can't be that there's just laws.

But our culturally people don't value life.

And so I believe that God will give us songs as a generation that disciple people into valuing life and seeing the beauty of being a.

Of having babies, of children, you know, and so we're dealing with a generation that doesn't value life right now, across the board, can see it in multiple ways, that doesn't value family or life.

And so my greatest joy in having this baby was getting to put motherhood and the beauty of life on display for anybody who listened.

And so that was part behind releasing the song is just bringing attention to the beauty of life, the beauty of having children.

There's a.

There's a line in it that says, I've been thinking.

I've been thinking about how my life has changed.

I will never be the same now that I have you.

I've been thinking about why the world can't see value in a life.

We need a little more life in our lives.

Just know that the world needs you.

And so literally behind the song is like, yeah, you notice that we don't value life, but, like, look at this baby yeah.

Look at this child.

Do you really not value life?

Like, we need more life in our lives, you know?

Right, Absolutely.

So, anyway, I'm not trying to preach to the choir, but, like, that was the heart behind that, specifically.

Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.

I.

I had a.

A moment where I was.

I don't know, I was at some store, and I was walking back to my car, and I saw a lady who was pregnant.

And for whatever reason, I mean, I always see pregnant people because, well, majority of people.

There's a lot of people that are pregnant in the world.

And I had a flashback moment.

The Lord said, do you remember what a baby feels like inside?

Because it's been a minute since I've had a baby.

Okay, we are done.

We have three Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

We got the whole trinity.

We're good up.

And so.

And the Lord said, do you remember that?

And I thought, like, lord, I don't want any more babies.

I don't know if that's what you're trying to tell me.

He's like, do you remember feeling actual movement?

Like the baby was aware of you, aware of your voice, aware of what was around, Heartbeat, all that.

And I just sat in my car and I sobbed.

Like, life, life, actual.

God knew by name who this baby is and was going to be and will be, and he values and loves them deeply.

And I was like, I can't imagine saying, nah, I can't imagine.

I just can't imagine that.

No, I was.

Amber, My husband and I went to see a movie.

We had a marriage retreat this past weekend.

We went to see a movie on our marriage retreat.

And we're.

We're just.

We're awesome humans.

So we went to watch this, like, cartoon movie that just came out, and I think it's called.

I don't want to say the name of it, because I don't want to put them on blast.

I don't know.

Maybe I should say.

I don't know.

But it was this cartoon movie that just came out.

It's called Wild Robot is what it's called.

Oh, yeah.

And the first 30 minutes to an hour of the movie, my husband and I were appalled because everything in the first 30 minutes to an hour of this movie is literally.

It felt morbid the way they were displaying babies in motherhood.

Like, it was, like, dark.

It was.

Okay.

It was like death, the way that they were displaying or portraying motherhood and family.

Family and babies.

And eventually they.

They, like, said the point.

But it, like, took too long to get there to it to where it felt like they sold a lot of seeds that were unnecessary in the people.

No.

And babies life.

Like, just the several scenes.

And I was like, man, is this where we are as a culture?

Because my husband and I are in the real world.

We're almost crying because of the way it's portraying children.

And I'm listening in the room, and people are laughing at these jokes, and I'm like, maybe we're just.

Maybe Connor and I are just a little intense.

I don't know.

But I felt like.

I felt like it was.

It was a picture of where our culture is that, like, jokes like that are not funny when people are being told and taught that motherhood is just the worst and it's so horrible, and people wish they didn't have children, and it's just their obligation and just, like, things like that.

And I'm like, man, well, this is why.

This is why we don't value life.

This is why Gen Z doesn't value life, is because there's things like this, again, arts and entertainment that are sowing seeds of how hard motherhood is and how horrible it is.

And da, da, da, da.

Don't have a baby.

Don't be a mom.

Don't.

Whatever.

And it's like, no, no, no.

This is one of the greatest honors and gifts of life.

Yeah.

That there ever was.

Is to be a mom and carry life in your womb.

It's just what it is.

And so I feel.

I don't.

I can't think of a greater honor in my life that I've ever felt than to be a mom.

And I mean that, like, sincerely.

Like, just.

It's so deep for me, and I just.

I love it.

I love it.

Yeah.

Because when you become a mom, really, everything shifts too.

You're like, whoa.

Your whole worldview.

I mean, from the moment they even had your baby, the moment that you had Ezra, your instinct and your heart and your every.

Everything changes.

Was just, like, drastic, night and day.

And it makes you.

It's.

It really tugs on your heart.

Because God is like, saying, I want you to feel that way because this is how much I feel, if not more for you.

And there's, like, a beautiful contrast, and it just.

I agree.

And motherhood is hard.

Don't get it twisted, okay?

I'm a mom of three.

There's hard things.

But, yes, it does not outweigh the joy.

Yeah, but people don't enjoy.

They only talk about the hard part instead of talking about also the greater joy and the greater honor that it is.

And so then people get a bad taste in their mouth, and they just think, okay, well, this isn't important.

This isn't valuable.

And it's just.

It's not helpful in the culture.

Yeah.

To speak to your point about everything changing.

Yeah.

Like, recently, I've gotten a little bit more involved in the social media space with, like, the political realm and just speaking out about things.

And people keep sending me messages, and they're like, what happened?

Like, it was like a switch just turned on and you just going off about everything.

Like, what's going on?

Because it literally just shifted.

And the.

Like, as I'm processing it, there's a lot to that story, but one of the main things that has happened is I have a child, and that's it.

Yeah.

I feel that mama bear in me, like, yeah, like, you.

Y'all better stop playing.

Y'all better stop playing.

Y'all better stop playing.

Because the world that I'm going to leave for my son.

Yeah.

Like, if I have anything to do with it, it will be a better world than what I had to live in and what I had to live in.

If I have anything to do with that.

Like, on my watch.

Yeah.

Right.

I'm not.

He's not going to grow up and wonder, mom, why didn't you speak up when all the babies were being aborted in your generation?

Why didn't you talk about the.

The deception that was hitting the black.

Black Americans and black Christians in America?

Why didn't you speak up when they were letting men be in.

Biological men be in bathrooms with women?

Why didn't you speak up?

And they were giving children puberty blockers and letting little kids make decisions that will forever change their life.

And transgenderism.

How come you didn't see anything?

Like, my child is not going to have to ask that question.

That's right.

It's that mom that's coming up that's like, nobody's gonna dupe me with the lie that you got to be quiet because you're a worship leader and because you're a pastor and you don't get to speak up for the next generation and speak.

No, no, no.

Yes, ma'am.

I have a child.

My greater calling.

Before that, I'm a mom.

Like, the Lord trusted me with a seat with his seed in the earth.

Yeah.

Right.

So anyway, I.

I'm not.

I would love that.

No, you're good.

I was.

This is all extra, so if you're not interested in listening, that's okay.

But I just, like, not you, Jasmine.

Everyone Else listening.

But I was watching a clip the other day, and you're talking about how, like, there is, like, a real fear of you that you feel.

Of, like, you doing that, you speaking up.

You're like, how is this going to affect my family?

And I think about that all the time because it's like, okay, I stand for something and everyone knows it.

How does this affect, you know, my kids and my family as we step out into things?

You have this fear of, like, what's going to happen to us, in a sense, you know, obviously, people are going to talk, people are going to hate you, unfollow you, all the things, and that is fine.

But there is that fear, you know, especially as a mom, you're like, oh, my goodness, I want to protect my kids, but I also don't want to, like, make things worse.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Right.

What did you find from that?

Like, what was your outcome of, like, okay, you can.

You can go as long.

I mean, long shirt, whatever you want.

I just.

This is me wanting to know.

This is friend to friend.

You get me riled up talking about this.

Okay.

I think.

Oh, Amber.

I think I could cry thinking about it.

I think.

So I had a moment with the Lord a few weeks ago where I was processing that exact thought of just, like, the fears of people and my family.

And how is all.

How is me speaking up about these things ultimately going to, like, how is it going to affect my immediate temporal world?

And I felt like the Lord spoke to me and was like, you can either be quiet and you take protecting your family into your own hands by, like, trying to preserve yourself and to preserve your family.

You can either do that and disobey me and not, like, step out and speak out as I'm inviting you to, or you can obey me and do the things that I'm inviting you into and trust me.

And when you do that, give me permission to protect your family.

Oh, my goodness.

Do you trust your family with your hands or with mine?

Who better do you want?

You know, like, what's your choice?

You think you have a better job in your family than me?

You pick, you know, and it was just one of those moments where I was like, lord, my shoulders aren't wide enough, My arms aren't long enough to protect my family in my own.

In my own strength.

And so I'm gonna obey you, which in turn allows you to do your part in protecting my family.

And so that's just.

That's just where I've been.

That's just the decision that I made, it reminds me of Esther and Mordecai.

And it's in Esther 4, I believe, where I believe it's Mordecai talking to Esther.

And he said, says.

He says, esther, are you aware that, like.

Like, basically, whether you speak up or not, like, this is going to come for your family too at some point?

Yeah.

You think that if you're quiet that you're going to protect your family.

But do you know that we're like, whether you speak up or not, this is going to knock at your door.

Yeah.

And so the.

Her response of this, the line we all love of if I perish, I perish is saying, like, okay, like, I can either speak up and lose everything or be quiet and lose everything anyway.

Yeah.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

That's just your option.

Yeah.

So I'm just in this vein right now where I'm like, man, Lord, like, I'm going to speak up when you tell me to say something and you highlight something and you show me an injustice somewhere.

When you show me a mountain that needs to be leveled, a valley that needs to be leveled.

Isaiah, I believe it's Isaiah 43, where they talk about.

And it talks about it in John as well, preparing the way for the Lord.

And what used to happen back in the day is when a king was coming into a new territory, a new place, there were people that went before the king who would have to literally level out mountains and valleys so that the king didn't have any problems coming into a new territory, so that it was just.

It was easy for the king to come in.

And so when I was praying at the top of the year about all this stuff, I'm like, lord, what do you want me to do?

Do you want me to speak up?

Not like, what do you want me to do?

And I felt like he was saying, your only assignment is to talk to the mountains and to talk to the valleys.

When I show you a mountain that needs to be leveled so I can come in, you talk to it.

That's so good.

When I show you a valley that needs to be leveled, you talk to it.

You don't got to talk to everything that everybody's talking to, but when I show you a mountain, you better speak.

That's so good.

That's been my assignment.

And so I don't.

I don't comment on everybody's everything.

I don't try to talk about everything happening in culture.

But when I'm sitting in my room and I'm Scrolling.

And something just starts to go off for me.

I'm like, okay, I gotta say something about this.

I have to speak here.

Yeah.

So I just been trying to be obedient to that.

But the truth is, it's costing us right now on a temporal level.

The most that it's costing is a few angry comments and messages and some awkward conversations with family members and maybe some family members that won't talk to me the same as they used to because of where I stand on things.

Yeah, we're not in an hour where it costs us our life.

Like, yeah, we're not there.

And, like, mean comments is that.

And it's just not right.

And so as I started to speak out and talk about stuff, the first wave of hard comments has been family and friends that, that have known me the most in high school and in college that are shocked.

Those are the worst messages that I'm getting.

Everything else after that, when people share it and it gets.

The people that don't, don't know me from a can of paint, I don't care what they see.

They know me from campaign.

I don't care.

Like, like, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't sting.

The thing that stings the most is just that first layer of friends and family that disagree.

And I can deal with that if it means more people being free, more people being truth being revealed to people.

Like, the number of messages that I get from people saying, thank you for saying this.

I needed to hear this, or I never knew this.

This just changed my whole perspective.

The number for every one mean angry message I get, I get like 5 to 10 messages from people saying, thank you so much.

And it's yes.

Yeah.

And it definitely has been impactful.

Like, I will say, I know that I know you.

I know your heart.

Even if you said something, I was like, but I don't say anything like that.

But when you say stuff, people listen because.

And it's just like a requestioning.

Like, I love how you, when you do those videos, you're like, okay, so this is what happened.

Let's look at that for a minute.

Like, you, you know, you're not just giving us the.

Well, I think that, that, that, that you're like, this is a situation.

Think about that for a minute.

Does that make sense?

And it helps people process.

At least it's helped me process.

And I've just been super, super help or thankful for your outspokenness.

And I know.

And people like you and people that I follow and people that I'm in relationship with, like, I pray for you because people like that and I know it is a cost.

I know that this is hard for you in a sense of like, it's easy for you to send it because you want to be obedient to the Lord, but it's hard internally in your mind and your heart, dealing with everything coming at you left and right.

And so I just like, like, I honor you for doing that.

And I'm super thankful that you are definitely a voice, a John the Baptist, in a sense, a voice out saying, let's prepare the way.

Let's make the road flat so the kingdom or so the king can come in for a clean and pure bride.

And so thank you for doing that, but I know how hard that must be.

And I'm just praying for you and your family and Landon and Heather and all you guys.

I just really, really appreciate how you guys have just been.

And just you speak and you speak truth and you stand for truth, and I, like, really, really appreciate that.

And I appreciate you being vulnerable right now with that.

I know that's like your vulnerable person.

You'll talk about stuff, but, you know, it's been an interesting year in a sense.

You know, election year, all the things.

And there's a lot of stuff happening, a lot of at stake.

And I'm just super thankful that you are doing just that.

You're letting God take care of your family.

You're letting God be the one whose hands are on it.

And that is such an encouragement to me as well.

Like, okay, I need to remember that it's not in my hands, it's not what I can do, but it is in what God can do.

And so thank you so much for doing that.

Well, on my notes, we didn't even.

We didn't do any of that, which is fine.

And I'm so thankful for it because again, I know.

Get out of here.

This is just a table to table talk, face to face talk that I like to have with people who I really honor and trust and I want to grow from.

And I know that it has helped.

This conversation has helped lots and lots of people and has inspired me and I'm going to listen back to it many, many times.

But to end our time, I would love if you would pray for us.

Us.

Yes, you can.

We talked about so many different things, but honestly, like, whatever you feel led to pray.

I mean, we talked.

We talked about a lot.

But you know, in the, in, in the day that we're in, you know, the day after the election, and everything kind of like, okay, where we.

Where are we going?

Okay, now what do we do?

I know that our world most needs just peace and just unity.

And so anyways, I would love if you just pray on anything that you feel led, but pray for those who are listen, and then we'll end our time there.

Yeah.

Well, Lord, thank you for every person listening to this podcast.

Thank you for any way, in every way that you have ministered to people, any and every way that you have spoke to people and that you have revealed yourself to them in a new way.

I just pray that what you've done in my life that you would do in their life.

I'm specifically thinking of and referring to the scripture, my Life Scripture, Ephesians 5:10, to find out what pleases the Lord.

Lord, I prayed that you would give them grace, the empowerment that only comes by your spirit to find out what's pleasing to you, whether it's in the political realm, whether it's on social media, whether it's in arts and entertainment, it's the things, the gifts that you put in their hands, whatever it is, Lord, I just pray that you give them grace, give them a passion, give them obsession to find out what's pleasing to you in every area of their life.

Lord, I pray that you would speak to them so clearly.

I pray for dreams in the night, for visions in the day, that you would show them what it looks like for them to walk in boldness with you in this season, whether it's stepping out in songs and film and acting in fashion, or whether it's speaking up on social media, I pray that you would show them and teach them that boldness is pleasing to you.

I pray for an impartial sense of boldness to even go through this, this, this the speakers right now as we pray.

No matter when they're listening, no matter where they're listening, in their car, in their house, in the kitchen, I pray for boldness to rest on them, even right now.

And I pray that the prayer that I feel like is what we carry as a house, as mercy, culture, church.

Lord, I just declare the ease of heaven over them.

Your word says that your yoke is easy and that your burden is light.

Even hard things become easy in your presence.

And so I just pray that you would the revelation of your yoke being easy, that if they're yoking with their own efforts, if they're yoking with some other idolatry, some other motive, that.

That it's hard.

But I just pray that you would show them that when they yoke themselves with you, just finding out what's pleasing to you, just doing it with you, that it's easy.

And the Lord, I just pray over them, no spirit is welcome.

But the Holy Spirit, yes, speaks fear, the spirit of fear, the spirit of anxiety, that foul spirit that may be trying to rest on people as a result of elections, as a result of what's happening in culture, what's happening in the world.

I just command fear to go.

I pray for the peace of God to rest on your people.

I pray for supernatural rest to rest on your people.

I pray for hope and faith and love to be.

To fill your people even as they listen right now.

I pray that even as they turn this podcast off, that they will find themselves full of hope in a way that they haven't been in years and in months.

Lord, I pray that you would fill your people with faith, hope and love.

And so, Jesus, we love you.

Thank you, Jesus.

And we just say, you can have your glory.

Come get your glory in our lives.

You deserve all the glory that's due to you.

Come get what you're.

What you're deserving of in our lives.

So we love you, Jesus.

Name.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

Amen.

Thank you so much, Jasmine.

This, yeah, this whole conversation was amazing.

And I just am so encouraged and inspired, but drawn, which is the whole point of this podcast, is I'm drawn to the center and the why of why we worship.

And that's Jesus.

I just wanna now, it's just like after I leave this podcast room, I just wanna now sit at his feet.

I just wanna receive what he wants me to do.

And in that boldness and alignment, that is the whole point of this podcast.

It's not even like all the different topics.

It's like, how are we gonna draw you back to the feet of Jesus, Jesus over and over and over again.

So thank you.

Thank you so much, friend.

I love you so much.

You're amazing.

Yeah, absolutely.

If you guys want to get in connection and follow Jasmine, you're going to want to do that.

Instagram.

Mostly on Instagram, sometimes on Facebook, but mostly Instagram.

But if you follow, she's like, Facebook.

I'm never on Facebook.

Instagram, Yeah, I get it on Instagram.

I will link her, her.

Her.

Her username on Instagram.

Follow her@mercyculturechurch.com if you are in the Texas area, Fort Worth, Dallas, all that area, I mean, Texas is huge and you need a church.

I endorse mercy culture.

Go ahead and get yourself into a Church that is presence driven, that is not moved and tickled by the culture, but is completely grounded in the word of God and in the Holy Spirit.

So that is definitely a church you want to get involved in and watch.

They have prayer.

I think.

You guys do prayer rooms.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Okay.

I was like, I think I'm pretty sure.

I just want to make sure we.

Call it worship room, but it's the same thing.

Yep.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So if you.

If you're not in Texas and you want to just get into the presence, obviously they lifestyle stream everything, get involved, stay connected.

Those are the people that you're going to want to hang with and rub shoulders with.

So mercyculturechurch.com they have four.

No.

How many campuses do you have?

Is it like seven online?

Dallas, East Fort Worth.

Online, yeah.

Austin, seven.

I think it's seven.

Yeah.

Well, if you go to Texas, you can't.

I mean, there's no excuse.

There's seven campuses.

You can find one.

Well, one's online, but still you can find.

Honestly.

Yeah, I know.

I like, love so much fomo.

Holy reverence, fomo.

Okay.

Just watching, I'm just like, oh, my gosh.

And one thing that I've actually kind of adapted from mercy culture is one thing I say in our house often is fear, go, Holy Spirit, come.

Fear, go, Holy Spirit, come.

I know that's like a, you know, Bible, but you guys say it often.

And I just, like, love watching all you.

Your videos and photos.

And I love Landon.

He says it's like this every week.

It's fire every week.

There's not a week where the Holy Spirit isn't moving.

And so what, we guys are doing less than Nikki and all you guys, you guys are awesome.

I just really, really value you guys and so thankful that we're still connected because that was the kingdom of God.

We're always connected.

So I love, love, love that.

So.

But thank you for listening, everyone.

Jasmine, thank you for hopping on this episode with me.

It was such an amazing time.

I would love if you are.

Listen, you want to hear more of this, please go ahead and Give this podcast 5 stars and leave us a nice review.

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But thank you so much for tuning in today.

Pray that you are blessed, encouraged and inspired.

And I just pray that you find yourself in the presence of God over and over again as you listened.

Worship leader Pod we out.

See you guys.