Martin:

Foreign.

Blair:

Ladies and gentlemen, today is a very special day for Martin and I. It is our 100th

Blair:

episode of the Secular Foxhole podcast.

Blair:

So congratulations, Martin.

Martin:

Yes, congratulations, Blair.

Martin:

Yay.

Blair:

Thank you.

Blair:

Thank you.

Martin:

Soon to be published.

Martin:

And that's a milestone.

Blair:

That is a milestone.

Blair:

I know.

Blair:

Hopefully you'll get it out tomorrow.

Blair:

But my fourth, that'd be wonderful.

Blair:

I know you're busy.

Martin:

Yeah, I will do that.

Martin:

So we could celebrate for Independence Day and

Martin:

we'll talk a little bit about that today.

Martin:

And we have had guests that have been very

Martin:

knowledgeable in this area,

Martin:

and we try to come up with different for this hundred episodes and Independence Day.

Martin:

So. And we will continue with this.

Martin:

And I also will then talk about the future

Martin:

scheduling and publishing and also call some call to action and some statistics and also

Martin:

doing some talk list, so to speak.

Martin:

And we could talk about it, but I see that every episode have been important and

Martin:

interesting to listen to and especially with guests.

Martin:

And I think.

Martin:

And you and I have had some new sandwich and

Martin:

topics and.

Martin:

Yeah. And we hope you listener out there have enjoyed it.

Martin:

So.

Martin:

So kick it off.

Martin:

Blair, about your thoughts about this day.

Martin:

Right.

Blair:

This again, I wanted to do this episode.

Blair:

I want to echo the Objectivist conference that's being held right now in Boston,

Blair:

Massachusetts,

Blair:

where they are integrating Enlightenment ideas and Objectivism.

Blair:

And hopefully if those two ideas,

Blair:

as far as the Enlightenment ideas, if they are reintroduced wider in the culture and if

Blair:

Objectivism also dovetails, that.

Blair:

That it'd be wonderful being our lifetime.

Blair:

But eventually it would lead to a second

Blair:

Renaissance,

Blair:

certainly in the United States.

Blair:

But I wanted to go, okay,

Blair:

yeah, you will continue.

Martin:

But I will say that the Independence Day is very important day.

Martin:

And I think now it's interesting when it's in Boston, as I've said it in previous episodes,

Martin:

that the Boston Tea Party, the.

Martin:

That should be also a holiday Remembrance Day,

Martin:

because that was the kickoff, you could say that ignited this.

Martin:

That will come along some years later.

Blair:

You know, I really like that idea, Martin.

Blair:

I think that I'm not sure how to start a groundswell movement to get the idea across

Blair:

to.

Martin:

Yeah, that could be a challenge.

Martin:

But.

Martin:

Yes,

Martin:

but the Boston team,

Martin:

the ship there, for example, now it's the museum.

Martin:

It's now up and running again.

Martin:

I remember I visited that in 98 at the

Martin:

conference there.

Martin:

And I think it was.

Martin:

Yeah. And.

Martin:

But then over sometimes, over some years, it was in.

Martin:

How to say.

Martin:

In.

Martin:

It was closed for.

Martin:

I think it was for planning, probably.

Blair:

Remodeling or whatever, restoration, things like that.

Blair:

Yes, certainly.

Blair:

Yeah.

Blair:

Yeah, well,

Blair:

yeah, that's, I, I, I wholeheartedly endorse that idea to make that a national holiday.

Blair:

So. But again, I wanted to, I, again, I'm,

Blair:

I'm not an expert on the Enlightenment, but I wanted to kick off the show with a tribute to

Blair:

that era and talk about four or five key figures from that era that have contributed

Blair:

mightily to the United States and to Western culture in general.

Blair:

But let's, I want us, of course, John Locke, I think, is the central figure.

Blair:

He advocated for natural rights,

Blair:

the rights of life,

Blair:

liberty and property,

Blair:

and he laid the groundwork for liberal democracy,

Blair:

which we have today in most countries.

Blair:

And I want to talk about another figure of note would be Adam Smith,

Blair:

the father of modern economics.

Blair:

He certainly championed free markets in the wealth of nations, although, again,

Blair:

I think his drawback was that he tied it to altruism.

Blair:

And we have,

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although I am not a fan of this gentleman,

Blair:

Jean Jacques Rousseau,

Blair:

he promoted the idea of the social contract,

Blair:

which I think is part of our constitutional heritage.

Blair:

And then there's,

Blair:

and again, I do not include,

Blair:

although he is included in the Enlightenment era,

Blair:

I don't include him.

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And Mishran does not include him.

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Immanuel Kant,

Blair:

he is considered an Enlightenment philosopher, but I think it's widely seen by Aristotelians

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like us that he aborted the Enlightenment with his Critique of Pure Reason.

Blair:

And we have to also pay tribute to Thomas Paine.

Blair:

He called for a revolution and he called for individual rights in his books Common Sense

Blair:

and the Rights of Man.

Martin:

Do you know if that statue is now erected and foundation.

Martin:

We have talked with Thomas Paine institutes and defenders of Thomas Paine and in different

Martin:

ways.

Blair:

Right. No, I, you know, I didn't have time to look that up and I should have.

Martin:

That's okay.

Blair:

So that's something we'll do in the future when we have either the Free Thought

Blair:

people or the Thomas Paine Institute people back on with us.

Martin:

Y.

Blair:

We will, we will see if that statue is prominent to wherever that was going to be

Blair:

unveiled.

Blair:

But I also.

Blair:

Go ahead.

Martin:

Yeah. What now, I interrupt your thought, but I saw in the program on Okon, one

Martin:

figure there was Franklin.

Blair:

Ben Franklin.

Martin:

Yeah. I think talking about.

Martin:

Also.

Martin:

So.

Blair:

Well, certainly he and Thomas Jefferson and obviously most of the others brought the

Blair:

Enlightenment ideals to the American Revolution.

Blair:

I'm, I'm starting to read more about Mr.

Blair:

Franklin.

Blair:

I think he's very fascinating and often overlooked.

Blair:

And I think that is that I, the little I've read so far has kept my interest and I, I will

Blair:

Continue to,

Blair:

continue to find interesting books about him.

Blair:

I think he also wrote an autobiography, so

Blair:

that has to be, that has to be on my list.

Blair:

But other, again, there's some other great figures from the Enlightenment.

Blair:

Voltaire comes to mind.

Blair:

He is a fierce critic of religious dogma and

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he was staunch advocate of freedom of speech.

Blair:

And although I didn't know this, Montesquieu introduced the idea of the separation of

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powers in government, which has served us well at least until the last few decades here in

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the United States.

Blair:

But and also Enlightenment thinker Isaac Newton, although he was a scientist, I think

Blair:

his ideas shaped, they were fundamental, they shaped civilization.

Blair:

You know, they shape the modernity, if that's the right word.

Blair:

Let's go over some of their major achievements.

Blair:

I mean, obviously I want to talk about John Locke in 1689, his Two Treatises of

Blair:

Government,

Blair:

where he discussed natural rights, again, life, liberty, property.

Blair:

And obviously that inspired the Declaration of Independence.

Blair:

And then Montesquieu in 1748, the spirit of the laws again shaped the US Constitution with

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our separation of powers.

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What else? Voltaire, Candide, I read that many, many

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decades ago and it was a satire but,

Blair:

and good, it was good stuff.

Blair:

But again, a social.

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Jacques Rousseau with his Social Contract,

Blair:

he was certainly an Enlightenment figure, but I,

Blair:

I,

Blair:

I'm not again, I'm not a fan of his.

Blair:

And of course, Adam Smith, the Wealth of nations was still, it's still read widely read

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everywhere.

Blair:

Then we have the Rights of Man and Thomas Paine's Rights of Man and his common Sense.

Blair:

Those are bedrocks or they should still be bedrock if, if they've been probably in our

Blair:

Marxist universities have been long forgotten.

Blair:

But again, so what needs to happen to finish the Enlightenment in the American Revolution?

Blair:

I mean, we,

Blair:

to rekindle the Enlightenment and to finish what they started with the American,

Blair:

those men started with the American Revolution.

Blair:

And that we come to Ayn Rand and her obviously her philosophic achievements,

Blair:

her incredible novels,

Blair:

her philosophic achievement of some of the highlights that she brought to the forefront.

Blair:

I want to talk about,

Blair:

I'm going to borrow this from Dr. Harry Benzwanger's book,

Blair:

Ayn Rand's Philosophic Achievement.

Blair:

He lists six things that she six landmark achievements that she introduced to the world.

Blair:

The primacy of existence.

Blair:

In other words,

Blair:

existence is the base of knowledge and the act of grasping that implies that we exist and

Blair:

that we know we exist because of our conscious minds.

Blair:

I think that's a very poor way of describing and maybe you can do better,

Blair:

Martin, but the next Thing he enlists is her theory of concepts, which concept formation,

Blair:

abstractions,

Blair:

epistemology, I believe is the best way to cover that subject.

Blair:

How we know what we know.

Blair:

And her theory of free will, which I think is revolutionary,

Blair:

which is,

Blair:

if you will, the freedom to think or not to think or the ability to think or not to think.

Blair:

And I think that once that kicks in in culture, that'll be amazing.

Blair:

And another achievement that she gave us was include man's life,

Blair:

your own life, as the standard of morality.

Blair:

You have to understand this revolutionary concept that you don't serve others as your

Blair:

primary goal in life.

Blair:

You exist to pursue your own happiness.

Martin:

Yeah.

Martin:

Put that in as a key thing in when we did this declaration,

Martin:

the pursuit of happiness.

Martin:

It's no guarantee, but.

Martin:

And then of course about property, for example.

Blair:

Yes, well, unfortunately they left that part out, but that was it.

Blair:

So there was again these things.

Blair:

I know that.

Blair:

Again my experience with introducing her novels to as many people as I have.

Blair:

Again, of the 40 plus people over the years that I've introduced her stuff to, only one or

Blair:

two have rejected it.

Blair:

So again, I hope that her ideas continue to grow.

Blair:

I think that what the institute is doing is incredible and I hope they get to continue on

Blair:

that path.

Blair:

But in summary, I guess that's my,

Blair:

that's my echoing of the.

Blair:

The actual conference that's going on in

Blair:

Boston right now.

Blair:

Yeah. And there.

Blair:

And there we have it.

Martin:

That's good.

Martin:

I got from one of listeners,

Martin:

Roland Horvath, he said Bradley Thompson's lecture in the revolutionary Revolutionary

Martin:

Constitutionalism was definitely highlight.

Martin:

And now Brandon Leesy's lecturing on the grandfather of Atlas Shrugged plot idea Ms.

Martin:

Rand had when she was 18 was a precursor of.

Martin:

Adler shrugged.

Martin:

So he's there in Boston at a conference.

Martin:

Roland Horvart,

Martin:

one of our listener loyal listeners and true Appreciate that.

Martin:

And we'll hear more of that later on.

Martin:

And as I said right now is many institutes,

Martin:

think tanks and others that are trying to spread the good word.

Martin:

So that's good.

Martin:

And I was thinking about the place in Boston and you walk this.

Martin:

Is it called the Freedom Trail in Boston?

Blair:

Yes, yes it is.

Martin:

And a bit to be joking, but also be serious at the same time because I like

Martin:

microbrewery now.

Martin:

It's a big brewery, but you know, Samuel

Martin:

Adams.

Blair:

Yeah.

Martin:

And John.

Martin:

It had this connection there with John Adams.

Martin:

It's interesting to see how it that Freedom Trail and with people who traded and joined

Martin:

this fight to become independent from the.

Martin:

Especially from the King in a way that also

Martin:

could Be,

Martin:

you know, a warning sign to think so.

Martin:

Not the president is starting acting like a king also.

Martin:

That's something to think about.

Blair:

Yeah.

Martin:

That was one of the important thing, I think that was that they didn't.

Martin:

They were so afraid about it.

Martin:

So they didn't for a long time.

Martin:

And still is that you're not,

Martin:

you don't have the right to become a president if you're born in a foreign country.

Martin:

Is that true still?

Blair:

That's still true, yes.

Martin:

And in a way, if you are American in spirit like me, you should be able to become a

Martin:

president of American spirit, United States of America.

Martin:

I think I don't,

Martin:

you know, strive for that,

Martin:

but I know why they had it because they were afraid that it was some infiltration or some,

Martin:

you know, British spies or whatever you want to call it or that tried to do a coup or take

Martin:

power.

Martin:

Yeah. So. So I understand the history historical thing and that would be interesting

Martin:

to know if it was any fear or real danger of that could happen.

Martin:

But also now not take it for granted.

Martin:

Now Americans celebrate.

Martin:

What do they celebrate and what we see here now with the presidential powers and how they

Martin:

want to change and whatnot.

Martin:

So you don't act as this kingpin and starting to do things that way or not we the people

Martin:

anymore.

Martin:

It's something else.

Martin:

And that's important to spotlight and point out,

Martin:

I think.

Blair:

Oh, it's most certainly.

Blair:

Yes, it's most certainly important.

Blair:

I think that the hidden aspects of the big beautiful bill that was just squeaked by

Blair:

apparently last night have gutted people's protection against government encroachment.

Blair:

Again,

Blair:

he is Trump is.

Blair:

I fully expect these ICE raids to not only continue, but grow in intensity,

Blair:

sadly.

Blair:

And as I said in our last podcast, today it's the Venezuelans, tomorrow it'll be atheists.

Martin:

Yeah.

Martin:

Unless this is stopped,

Martin:

we'll see what will happen.

Martin:

Luckily, and I don't know when was that from the beginning that the president could only

Martin:

sit for two periods or in total eight years.

Blair:

Yes, it was.

Blair:

But FDR was the only one that.

Martin:

I'm jumping to a totally different topic here.

Martin:

Maybe we could invite the expert on that.

Martin:

I was thinking now on a trial and a case, a

Martin:

euro.

Martin:

And how important is that you should have

Martin:

people in the uri that is so called or should say they don't have any.

Martin:

That they are how to say pressured or in some way.

Martin:

So I would like to talk about that and get more insight and information because it's a

Martin:

case right now.

Martin:

You wonder what's going on it was like this

Martin:

how to say artist music artists that have been on a trial here and it's very hard for them to

Martin:

get you remember because everyone knows about this person so it's hard for them to set up.

Blair:

I'm not sure what you're.

Martin:

What is this PDD or what is called.

Blair:

Oh, okay. Sean Diddy Combs.

Martin:

Yeah.

Blair:

Yeah.

Martin:

So. So I would like to.

Martin:

I mean because it.

Martin:

The good thing with America is this balancing system of powers but also what have happened

Martin:

in.

Martin:

In with different legislation in even recently

Martin:

and so on.

Martin:

So. And also what's going on in the belt wave and the pressure groups and whatnot.

Blair:

Yeah.

Martin:

So.

Martin:

But still we should celebrate on, on on this day and I wanted if you.

Martin:

If that's okay we'll do soon a wrap up but we are toggling away here and going have around

Martin:

seven listeners or downloads every day.

Martin:

In total it's like 11,000 or something like that that have listen in downloads and like

Martin:

6,000 unique listeners.

Blair:

That's great.

Martin:

And my call to action is to go to TrueFans FM and register for free.

Martin:

And then you could support us in different ways.

Martin:

You could become a fan of a podcast.

Martin:

You could donate monthly amount.

Martin:

You could stream satoshis, you could send booster grams or super comments,

Martin:

et cetera.

Martin:

And now we have an iOS Apple app in the Apple

Martin:

App Store.

Martin:

So go and download TrueFans FM if you have an

Martin:

iPhone and the Android will soon come also.

Martin:

So I think that is a great,

Martin:

great news here.

Martin:

So I will do a listing of so called top list, maybe 10 or whatever in downloads and we could

Martin:

have some personal favorites and so on and do like a playlist of that the listeners out

Martin:

there because now 100 episodes.

Martin:

Do you have a favorite? Do you have several favorites?

Martin:

What are we missing?

Martin:

Who should we have as a guest in the future? Any topic you want to discuss or listen to and

Martin:

whatnot.

Martin:

So yeah.

Martin:

And again, how could you celebrate

Martin:

Independence Day in different ways?

Blair:

Yes.

Blair:

Well, I know for myself I'll probably read some of the Declaration and I'll probably read

Blair:

take the Ayn Rand lexicon and go through that not only on about America but about other

Blair:

things that'll pop up like you know,

Blair:

individual rights and so on and so forth.

Blair:

But I had something in my mind that I wanted to mention real quick.

Blair:

Oh.

Blair:

As far as going forward,

Blair:

I want to introduce our new logo and I've been, I've been trying to figure out how to

Blair:

put that on on the blog.

Martin:

Yeah.

Blair:

So I'll. When once I figure that out.

Blair:

I'll put that out there.

Blair:

And I think we should use that new logo.

Martin:

Okay.

Blair:

From now on.

Blair:

Although obviously we can interchange.

Martin:

Yeah.

Blair:

Because I do like, I mean I sort of designed first one and then you had the artist

Blair:

make it better.

Martin:

Yeah.

Blair:

And this.

Blair:

But this I will,

Blair:

I will confess that our new logo is AI generated but I really like it.

Blair:

And so that's something that we'll be integrating into our shows from now on.

Martin:

And I have some ideas also and I think we could talk openly with that regarding new

Martin:

jingle and so on.

Martin:

I know Jim Johnson with created has been

Martin:

looking into new endeavors and so on.

Martin:

Oh cool.

Martin:

I have an idea about the logo with some of the activists that we know that are skillful in

Martin:

this area and we'll see what we could do.

Martin:

But I like your attempt there and I like the

Martin:

symbolism there with the fox.

Blair:

With a microphone.

Martin:

Yeah. So we'll talk about that.

Martin:

And with this new Podcasting 2.0 initiative,

Martin:

you could have different chapters as it's called like section in a podcast.

Martin:

Like we have a new segment, you have a guest, you, you could have some call to action and

Martin:

then you could in every segment that you think could be separated like a book, a chapter, you

Martin:

could have an illustration.

Martin:

So that's something, something we could try to incorporate.

Martin:

I, I want to find the podcasting flow for that when, when you work with editing and post

Martin:

production and how could you add chapters?

Martin:

But I think that could be for example, when you have an author you could have book covers

Martin:

and a link directly to the book and, and whatnot.

Blair:

Right, right.

Martin:

So. So I want to look into more of that in, in the future.

Martin:

So and also that we could say that for the record, I mean we have.

Martin:

I've said that we now with 100 episodes we have roughly had and published a new episode

Martin:

every two weeks like on bimonthly or fortnightly scheduled.

Martin:

But sometimes have been a bit far.

Blair:

Oh yes.

Martin:

Lately it's because sometimes it has been several episodes per month.

Martin:

So I would say and that we could so called promise to do it at least once a month now

Martin:

when we have done reach this milestone.

Martin:

But we will hope to do it more often because sometimes we get this so called catch up

Martin:

effect with lots of guests in the pipeline and that what I want to also introduce an

Martin:

onboarding guest, future guest and old guest on these true fans and value for value model

Martin:

because then the guest could get us added to the split.

Martin:

Well that's great.

Blair:

That's right.

Martin:

So we will continue with that.

Martin:

Anything else you Want to say no, no.

Blair:

I will email you the show title and yeah, a couple of notes I want, I also want to

Blair:

point out to you Martin, and to our listeners.

Blair:

The Institute is publishing pamphlets lately back.

Martin:

In the old day I had pamphlets.

Blair:

This is their latest one.

Martin:

Okay.

Blair:

Why can't professional philosophers get Rand right by Mike Masda?

Martin:

Well, that's a good one.

Blair:

And it's 40 something pages.

Blair:

30 something pages.

Blair:

Let's see.

Blair:

Here we go.

Blair:

No, sorry, it's only.

Blair:

But nonetheless it's 20 something pages of

Blair:

very brilliant.

Blair:

And then there's.

Martin:

Could you get that? Is it buying from their bookstore or.

Blair:

No, this was, this was Amazon.

Blair:

They don't have Kindle versions, they have

Blair:

these little pamphlet pamphleteers.

Martin:

I will look into how much it will cost to send to,

Martin:

to Sweden because if it's like fin book then it's not so expensive.

Martin:

So that's good.

Martin:

But I remember the pamphlets that they had, for example, different topics.

Martin:

For example,

Martin:

the reprint of Playboy into you with Rand.

Blair:

Right? Yes. Yeah.

Martin:

This kind of thing I still think is valuable and should be enhanced of individuals

Martin:

especially at campus and at universities and schools and also to have that as this one.

Martin:

Did you get it right?

Martin:

Because I'm for Internet and for everything that you could find on the net.

Martin:

But it's good to have something in your hand also.

Martin:

And we could maybe to joke, we could maybe learn from the religious people there,

Martin:

you know, they have their holy scriptures and they give something, you know, to you.

Blair:

Oh certainly read here.

Martin:

And we want some donation.

Martin:

Right.

Martin:

You know, that was a Hare Krishna thing.

Martin:

They gave something free and then they waited and you could joke about.

Martin:

They have,

Martin:

I mean they have often their pamphlets, I don't know see how much it's in your area.

Martin:

But here in Sweden, in Gothenburg, you see people from what is called both were Mormons

Martin:

that they are standing with their, you know, it's the last day.

Martin:

Wait.

Blair:

But they have no, of course I, I used to work down in, when I lived in other parts

Blair:

of the country, I, I, I, I worked downtown and I would go out to lunch and there would be,

Blair:

you know, people doing that kind of thing and so on and so forth but I haven't worked in a,

Blair:

in the city for so long.

Blair:

I don't know if that's still going.

Martin:

On or not if that's happening.

Blair:

I mean I,

Blair:

it's funny because again back in that time era when I worked downtown there'd be a news crew,

Blair:

they did the man in the street interview and I got interviewed a couple of times over the

Blair:

years about certain things.

Blair:

And that was great.

Blair:

That was fun.

Blair:

But yeah, I haven't seen that kind of thing in a long time.

Blair:

But otherwise, let me think really.

Blair:

Thank you again, Martin, for all you've done

Blair:

for.

Blair:

For me and for this podcast and.

Martin:

So you save the same to you there.

Martin:

Thank you.

Blair:

I hope to.

Blair:

I've.

Blair:

I've reached out to a couple of people, but they're both at the conference, so that's

Blair:

probably why they haven't responded.

Martin:

Yeah.

Blair:

That's okay as far as speakers, but after the conference is overall I. I'll try to

Blair:

reach out to them again, but that's all I've got.

Blair:

So thank you.

Martin:

Thank you very much, Blair.

Martin:

And have a happy independent day.

Martin:

Thank you.

Martin:

And celebrate and have fun and enjoy.

Blair:

We'll do so re.

Martin:

Read the material that you wanted and I will do that in my way also.

Martin:

I mean we have had that here in Got my.

Martin:

With friends like celebration with

Martin:

Independence Day in different ways.

Martin:

And as I said again, we have had this tradition of celebrating Boston Tea Party for

Martin:

a long time also.

Blair:

Great.

Blair:

Great.

Martin:

It's all good.

Martin:

So.

Blair:

So Happy Independence Day, America, the most moral nation in human history.

Martin:

Yeah.

Blair:

Not. Not because of our Judeo Christian heritage, but in spite of it.

Martin:

Yeah. And. And we will come to.

Martin:

Back to that topic also.

Martin:

And as the last thing.

Martin:

Robot, you know, Robert B. Robert B.

Blair:

Okay.

Martin:

Yeah. And they will celebrate by reading.

Blair:

Yes, that's right.

Martin:

Declaration.

Martin:

So that's a nice initiative.

Martin:

And they have done that for a long time.

Martin:

And you told me about the conference.

Martin:

You have that with Connecticut, right?

Blair:

Yes. Yeah. They did it.

Blair:

We did it for.

Blair:

I know that well.

Blair:

Well, I know.

Blair:

I certainly know that some time ago now.

Blair:

But we did it every year.

Blair:

Yeah. Whether it be on Zoom or live together stand, you know, being together in outside

Blair:

somewhere.

Blair:

But anyhow, that was.

Blair:

That was before people had to leave or move or

Blair:

this or that or you know, the next thing.

Blair:

So anyhow.

Blair:

But yes.

Blair:

So that's again, happy birthday.

Blair:

Happy Independence Day, America.

Martin:

Yeah.

Blair:

And that's all I got.

Martin:

Yep. Have a good one, Blair, and talk to you soon again.

Blair:

All right.

Blair:

Thanks, Martin.

Martin:

Sam.