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Blair:Ladies and gentlemen, today is a very special day for Martin and I. It is our 100th
Blair:episode of the Secular Foxhole podcast.
Blair:So congratulations, Martin.
Martin:Yes, congratulations, Blair.
Martin:Yay.
Blair:Thank you.
Blair:Thank you.
Martin:Soon to be published.
Martin:And that's a milestone.
Blair:That is a milestone.
Blair:I know.
Blair:Hopefully you'll get it out tomorrow.
Blair:But my fourth, that'd be wonderful.
Blair:I know you're busy.
Martin:Yeah, I will do that.
Martin:So we could celebrate for Independence Day and
Martin:we'll talk a little bit about that today.
Martin:And we have had guests that have been very
Martin:knowledgeable in this area,
Martin:and we try to come up with different for this hundred episodes and Independence Day.
Martin:So. And we will continue with this.
Martin:And I also will then talk about the future
Martin:scheduling and publishing and also call some call to action and some statistics and also
Martin:doing some talk list, so to speak.
Martin:And we could talk about it, but I see that every episode have been important and
Martin:interesting to listen to and especially with guests.
Martin:And I think.
Martin:And you and I have had some new sandwich and
Martin:topics and.
Martin:Yeah. And we hope you listener out there have enjoyed it.
Martin:So.
Martin:So kick it off.
Martin:Blair, about your thoughts about this day.
Martin:Right.
Blair:This again, I wanted to do this episode.
Blair:I want to echo the Objectivist conference that's being held right now in Boston,
Blair:Massachusetts,
Blair:where they are integrating Enlightenment ideas and Objectivism.
Blair:And hopefully if those two ideas,
Blair:as far as the Enlightenment ideas, if they are reintroduced wider in the culture and if
Blair:Objectivism also dovetails, that.
Blair:That it'd be wonderful being our lifetime.
Blair:But eventually it would lead to a second
Blair:Renaissance,
Blair:certainly in the United States.
Blair:But I wanted to go, okay,
Blair:yeah, you will continue.
Martin:But I will say that the Independence Day is very important day.
Martin:And I think now it's interesting when it's in Boston, as I've said it in previous episodes,
Martin:that the Boston Tea Party, the.
Martin:That should be also a holiday Remembrance Day,
Martin:because that was the kickoff, you could say that ignited this.
Martin:That will come along some years later.
Blair:You know, I really like that idea, Martin.
Blair:I think that I'm not sure how to start a groundswell movement to get the idea across
Blair:to.
Martin:Yeah, that could be a challenge.
Martin:But.
Martin:Yes,
Martin:but the Boston team,
Martin:the ship there, for example, now it's the museum.
Martin:It's now up and running again.
Martin:I remember I visited that in 98 at the
Martin:conference there.
Martin:And I think it was.
Martin:Yeah. And.
Martin:But then over sometimes, over some years, it was in.
Martin:How to say.
Martin:In.
Martin:It was closed for.
Martin:I think it was for planning, probably.
Blair:Remodeling or whatever, restoration, things like that.
Blair:Yes, certainly.
Blair:Yeah.
Blair:Yeah, well,
Blair:yeah, that's, I, I, I wholeheartedly endorse that idea to make that a national holiday.
Blair:So. But again, I wanted to, I, again, I'm,
Blair:I'm not an expert on the Enlightenment, but I wanted to kick off the show with a tribute to
Blair:that era and talk about four or five key figures from that era that have contributed
Blair:mightily to the United States and to Western culture in general.
Blair:But let's, I want us, of course, John Locke, I think, is the central figure.
Blair:He advocated for natural rights,
Blair:the rights of life,
Blair:liberty and property,
Blair:and he laid the groundwork for liberal democracy,
Blair:which we have today in most countries.
Blair:And I want to talk about another figure of note would be Adam Smith,
Blair:the father of modern economics.
Blair:He certainly championed free markets in the wealth of nations, although, again,
Blair:I think his drawback was that he tied it to altruism.
Blair:And we have,
Blair:although I am not a fan of this gentleman,
Blair:Jean Jacques Rousseau,
Blair:he promoted the idea of the social contract,
Blair:which I think is part of our constitutional heritage.
Blair:And then there's,
Blair:and again, I do not include,
Blair:although he is included in the Enlightenment era,
Blair:I don't include him.
Blair:And Mishran does not include him.
Blair:Immanuel Kant,
Blair:he is considered an Enlightenment philosopher, but I think it's widely seen by Aristotelians
Blair:like us that he aborted the Enlightenment with his Critique of Pure Reason.
Blair:And we have to also pay tribute to Thomas Paine.
Blair:He called for a revolution and he called for individual rights in his books Common Sense
Blair:and the Rights of Man.
Martin:Do you know if that statue is now erected and foundation.
Martin:We have talked with Thomas Paine institutes and defenders of Thomas Paine and in different
Martin:ways.
Blair:Right. No, I, you know, I didn't have time to look that up and I should have.
Martin:That's okay.
Blair:So that's something we'll do in the future when we have either the Free Thought
Blair:people or the Thomas Paine Institute people back on with us.
Martin:Y.
Blair:We will, we will see if that statue is prominent to wherever that was going to be
Blair:unveiled.
Blair:But I also.
Blair:Go ahead.
Martin:Yeah. What now, I interrupt your thought, but I saw in the program on Okon, one
Martin:figure there was Franklin.
Blair:Ben Franklin.
Martin:Yeah. I think talking about.
Martin:Also.
Martin:So.
Blair:Well, certainly he and Thomas Jefferson and obviously most of the others brought the
Blair:Enlightenment ideals to the American Revolution.
Blair:I'm, I'm starting to read more about Mr.
Blair:Franklin.
Blair:I think he's very fascinating and often overlooked.
Blair:And I think that is that I, the little I've read so far has kept my interest and I, I will
Blair:Continue to,
Blair:continue to find interesting books about him.
Blair:I think he also wrote an autobiography, so
Blair:that has to be, that has to be on my list.
Blair:But other, again, there's some other great figures from the Enlightenment.
Blair:Voltaire comes to mind.
Blair:He is a fierce critic of religious dogma and
Blair:he was staunch advocate of freedom of speech.
Blair:And although I didn't know this, Montesquieu introduced the idea of the separation of
Blair:powers in government, which has served us well at least until the last few decades here in
Blair:the United States.
Blair:But and also Enlightenment thinker Isaac Newton, although he was a scientist, I think
Blair:his ideas shaped, they were fundamental, they shaped civilization.
Blair:You know, they shape the modernity, if that's the right word.
Blair:Let's go over some of their major achievements.
Blair:I mean, obviously I want to talk about John Locke in 1689, his Two Treatises of
Blair:Government,
Blair:where he discussed natural rights, again, life, liberty, property.
Blair:And obviously that inspired the Declaration of Independence.
Blair:And then Montesquieu in 1748, the spirit of the laws again shaped the US Constitution with
Blair:our separation of powers.
Blair:What else? Voltaire, Candide, I read that many, many
Blair:decades ago and it was a satire but,
Blair:and good, it was good stuff.
Blair:But again, a social.
Blair:Jacques Rousseau with his Social Contract,
Blair:he was certainly an Enlightenment figure, but I,
Blair:I,
Blair:I'm not again, I'm not a fan of his.
Blair:And of course, Adam Smith, the Wealth of nations was still, it's still read widely read
Blair:everywhere.
Blair:Then we have the Rights of Man and Thomas Paine's Rights of Man and his common Sense.
Blair:Those are bedrocks or they should still be bedrock if, if they've been probably in our
Blair:Marxist universities have been long forgotten.
Blair:But again, so what needs to happen to finish the Enlightenment in the American Revolution?
Blair:I mean, we,
Blair:to rekindle the Enlightenment and to finish what they started with the American,
Blair:those men started with the American Revolution.
Blair:And that we come to Ayn Rand and her obviously her philosophic achievements,
Blair:her incredible novels,
Blair:her philosophic achievement of some of the highlights that she brought to the forefront.
Blair:I want to talk about,
Blair:I'm going to borrow this from Dr. Harry Benzwanger's book,
Blair:Ayn Rand's Philosophic Achievement.
Blair:He lists six things that she six landmark achievements that she introduced to the world.
Blair:The primacy of existence.
Blair:In other words,
Blair:existence is the base of knowledge and the act of grasping that implies that we exist and
Blair:that we know we exist because of our conscious minds.
Blair:I think that's a very poor way of describing and maybe you can do better,
Blair:Martin, but the next Thing he enlists is her theory of concepts, which concept formation,
Blair:abstractions,
Blair:epistemology, I believe is the best way to cover that subject.
Blair:How we know what we know.
Blair:And her theory of free will, which I think is revolutionary,
Blair:which is,
Blair:if you will, the freedom to think or not to think or the ability to think or not to think.
Blair:And I think that once that kicks in in culture, that'll be amazing.
Blair:And another achievement that she gave us was include man's life,
Blair:your own life, as the standard of morality.
Blair:You have to understand this revolutionary concept that you don't serve others as your
Blair:primary goal in life.
Blair:You exist to pursue your own happiness.
Martin:Yeah.
Martin:Put that in as a key thing in when we did this declaration,
Martin:the pursuit of happiness.
Martin:It's no guarantee, but.
Martin:And then of course about property, for example.
Blair:Yes, well, unfortunately they left that part out, but that was it.
Blair:So there was again these things.
Blair:I know that.
Blair:Again my experience with introducing her novels to as many people as I have.
Blair:Again, of the 40 plus people over the years that I've introduced her stuff to, only one or
Blair:two have rejected it.
Blair:So again, I hope that her ideas continue to grow.
Blair:I think that what the institute is doing is incredible and I hope they get to continue on
Blair:that path.
Blair:But in summary, I guess that's my,
Blair:that's my echoing of the.
Blair:The actual conference that's going on in
Blair:Boston right now.
Blair:Yeah. And there.
Blair:And there we have it.
Martin:That's good.
Martin:I got from one of listeners,
Martin:Roland Horvath, he said Bradley Thompson's lecture in the revolutionary Revolutionary
Martin:Constitutionalism was definitely highlight.
Martin:And now Brandon Leesy's lecturing on the grandfather of Atlas Shrugged plot idea Ms.
Martin:Rand had when she was 18 was a precursor of.
Martin:Adler shrugged.
Martin:So he's there in Boston at a conference.
Martin:Roland Horvart,
Martin:one of our listener loyal listeners and true Appreciate that.
Martin:And we'll hear more of that later on.
Martin:And as I said right now is many institutes,
Martin:think tanks and others that are trying to spread the good word.
Martin:So that's good.
Martin:And I was thinking about the place in Boston and you walk this.
Martin:Is it called the Freedom Trail in Boston?
Blair:Yes, yes it is.
Martin:And a bit to be joking, but also be serious at the same time because I like
Martin:microbrewery now.
Martin:It's a big brewery, but you know, Samuel
Martin:Adams.
Blair:Yeah.
Martin:And John.
Martin:It had this connection there with John Adams.
Martin:It's interesting to see how it that Freedom Trail and with people who traded and joined
Martin:this fight to become independent from the.
Martin:Especially from the King in a way that also
Martin:could Be,
Martin:you know, a warning sign to think so.
Martin:Not the president is starting acting like a king also.
Martin:That's something to think about.
Blair:Yeah.
Martin:That was one of the important thing, I think that was that they didn't.
Martin:They were so afraid about it.
Martin:So they didn't for a long time.
Martin:And still is that you're not,
Martin:you don't have the right to become a president if you're born in a foreign country.
Martin:Is that true still?
Blair:That's still true, yes.
Martin:And in a way, if you are American in spirit like me, you should be able to become a
Martin:president of American spirit, United States of America.
Martin:I think I don't,
Martin:you know, strive for that,
Martin:but I know why they had it because they were afraid that it was some infiltration or some,
Martin:you know, British spies or whatever you want to call it or that tried to do a coup or take
Martin:power.
Martin:Yeah. So. So I understand the history historical thing and that would be interesting
Martin:to know if it was any fear or real danger of that could happen.
Martin:But also now not take it for granted.
Martin:Now Americans celebrate.
Martin:What do they celebrate and what we see here now with the presidential powers and how they
Martin:want to change and whatnot.
Martin:So you don't act as this kingpin and starting to do things that way or not we the people
Martin:anymore.
Martin:It's something else.
Martin:And that's important to spotlight and point out,
Martin:I think.
Blair:Oh, it's most certainly.
Blair:Yes, it's most certainly important.
Blair:I think that the hidden aspects of the big beautiful bill that was just squeaked by
Blair:apparently last night have gutted people's protection against government encroachment.
Blair:Again,
Blair:he is Trump is.
Blair:I fully expect these ICE raids to not only continue, but grow in intensity,
Blair:sadly.
Blair:And as I said in our last podcast, today it's the Venezuelans, tomorrow it'll be atheists.
Martin:Yeah.
Martin:Unless this is stopped,
Martin:we'll see what will happen.
Martin:Luckily, and I don't know when was that from the beginning that the president could only
Martin:sit for two periods or in total eight years.
Blair:Yes, it was.
Blair:But FDR was the only one that.
Martin:I'm jumping to a totally different topic here.
Martin:Maybe we could invite the expert on that.
Martin:I was thinking now on a trial and a case, a
Martin:euro.
Martin:And how important is that you should have
Martin:people in the uri that is so called or should say they don't have any.
Martin:That they are how to say pressured or in some way.
Martin:So I would like to talk about that and get more insight and information because it's a
Martin:case right now.
Martin:You wonder what's going on it was like this
Martin:how to say artist music artists that have been on a trial here and it's very hard for them to
Martin:get you remember because everyone knows about this person so it's hard for them to set up.
Blair:I'm not sure what you're.
Martin:What is this PDD or what is called.
Blair:Oh, okay. Sean Diddy Combs.
Martin:Yeah.
Blair:Yeah.
Martin:So. So I would like to.
Martin:I mean because it.
Martin:The good thing with America is this balancing system of powers but also what have happened
Martin:in.
Martin:In with different legislation in even recently
Martin:and so on.
Martin:So. And also what's going on in the belt wave and the pressure groups and whatnot.
Blair:Yeah.
Martin:So.
Martin:But still we should celebrate on, on on this day and I wanted if you.
Martin:If that's okay we'll do soon a wrap up but we are toggling away here and going have around
Martin:seven listeners or downloads every day.
Martin:In total it's like 11,000 or something like that that have listen in downloads and like
Martin:6,000 unique listeners.
Blair:That's great.
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Martin:So I will do a listing of so called top list, maybe 10 or whatever in downloads and we could
Martin:have some personal favorites and so on and do like a playlist of that the listeners out
Martin:there because now 100 episodes.
Martin:Do you have a favorite? Do you have several favorites?
Martin:What are we missing?
Martin:Who should we have as a guest in the future? Any topic you want to discuss or listen to and
Martin:whatnot.
Martin:So yeah.
Martin:And again, how could you celebrate
Martin:Independence Day in different ways?
Blair:Yes.
Blair:Well, I know for myself I'll probably read some of the Declaration and I'll probably read
Blair:take the Ayn Rand lexicon and go through that not only on about America but about other
Blair:things that'll pop up like you know,
Blair:individual rights and so on and so forth.
Blair:But I had something in my mind that I wanted to mention real quick.
Blair:Oh.
Blair:As far as going forward,
Blair:I want to introduce our new logo and I've been, I've been trying to figure out how to
Blair:put that on on the blog.
Martin:Yeah.
Blair:So I'll. When once I figure that out.
Blair:I'll put that out there.
Blair:And I think we should use that new logo.
Martin:Okay.
Blair:From now on.
Blair:Although obviously we can interchange.
Martin:Yeah.
Blair:Because I do like, I mean I sort of designed first one and then you had the artist
Blair:make it better.
Martin:Yeah.
Blair:And this.
Blair:But this I will,
Blair:I will confess that our new logo is AI generated but I really like it.
Blair:And so that's something that we'll be integrating into our shows from now on.
Martin:And I have some ideas also and I think we could talk openly with that regarding new
Martin:jingle and so on.
Martin:I know Jim Johnson with created has been
Martin:looking into new endeavors and so on.
Martin:Oh cool.
Martin:I have an idea about the logo with some of the activists that we know that are skillful in
Martin:this area and we'll see what we could do.
Martin:But I like your attempt there and I like the
Martin:symbolism there with the fox.
Blair:With a microphone.
Martin:Yeah. So we'll talk about that.
Martin:And with this new Podcasting 2.0 initiative,
Martin:you could have different chapters as it's called like section in a podcast.
Martin:Like we have a new segment, you have a guest, you, you could have some call to action and
Martin:then you could in every segment that you think could be separated like a book, a chapter, you
Martin:could have an illustration.
Martin:So that's something, something we could try to incorporate.
Martin:I, I want to find the podcasting flow for that when, when you work with editing and post
Martin:production and how could you add chapters?
Martin:But I think that could be for example, when you have an author you could have book covers
Martin:and a link directly to the book and, and whatnot.
Blair:Right, right.
Martin:So. So I want to look into more of that in, in the future.
Martin:So and also that we could say that for the record, I mean we have.
Martin:I've said that we now with 100 episodes we have roughly had and published a new episode
Martin:every two weeks like on bimonthly or fortnightly scheduled.
Martin:But sometimes have been a bit far.
Blair:Oh yes.
Martin:Lately it's because sometimes it has been several episodes per month.
Martin:So I would say and that we could so called promise to do it at least once a month now
Martin:when we have done reach this milestone.
Martin:But we will hope to do it more often because sometimes we get this so called catch up
Martin:effect with lots of guests in the pipeline and that what I want to also introduce an
Martin:onboarding guest, future guest and old guest on these true fans and value for value model
Martin:because then the guest could get us added to the split.
Martin:Well that's great.
Blair:That's right.
Martin:So we will continue with that.
Martin:Anything else you Want to say no, no.
Blair:I will email you the show title and yeah, a couple of notes I want, I also want to
Blair:point out to you Martin, and to our listeners.
Blair:The Institute is publishing pamphlets lately back.
Martin:In the old day I had pamphlets.
Blair:This is their latest one.
Martin:Okay.
Blair:Why can't professional philosophers get Rand right by Mike Masda?
Martin:Well, that's a good one.
Blair:And it's 40 something pages.
Blair:30 something pages.
Blair:Let's see.
Blair:Here we go.
Blair:No, sorry, it's only.
Blair:But nonetheless it's 20 something pages of
Blair:very brilliant.
Blair:And then there's.
Martin:Could you get that? Is it buying from their bookstore or.
Blair:No, this was, this was Amazon.
Blair:They don't have Kindle versions, they have
Blair:these little pamphlet pamphleteers.
Martin:I will look into how much it will cost to send to,
Martin:to Sweden because if it's like fin book then it's not so expensive.
Martin:So that's good.
Martin:But I remember the pamphlets that they had, for example, different topics.
Martin:For example,
Martin:the reprint of Playboy into you with Rand.
Blair:Right? Yes. Yeah.
Martin:This kind of thing I still think is valuable and should be enhanced of individuals
Martin:especially at campus and at universities and schools and also to have that as this one.
Martin:Did you get it right?
Martin:Because I'm for Internet and for everything that you could find on the net.
Martin:But it's good to have something in your hand also.
Martin:And we could maybe to joke, we could maybe learn from the religious people there,
Martin:you know, they have their holy scriptures and they give something, you know, to you.
Blair:Oh certainly read here.
Martin:And we want some donation.
Martin:Right.
Martin:You know, that was a Hare Krishna thing.
Martin:They gave something free and then they waited and you could joke about.
Martin:They have,
Martin:I mean they have often their pamphlets, I don't know see how much it's in your area.
Martin:But here in Sweden, in Gothenburg, you see people from what is called both were Mormons
Martin:that they are standing with their, you know, it's the last day.
Martin:Wait.
Blair:But they have no, of course I, I used to work down in, when I lived in other parts
Blair:of the country, I, I, I, I worked downtown and I would go out to lunch and there would be,
Blair:you know, people doing that kind of thing and so on and so forth but I haven't worked in a,
Blair:in the city for so long.
Blair:I don't know if that's still going.
Martin:On or not if that's happening.
Blair:I mean I,
Blair:it's funny because again back in that time era when I worked downtown there'd be a news crew,
Blair:they did the man in the street interview and I got interviewed a couple of times over the
Blair:years about certain things.
Blair:And that was great.
Blair:That was fun.
Blair:But yeah, I haven't seen that kind of thing in a long time.
Blair:But otherwise, let me think really.
Blair:Thank you again, Martin, for all you've done
Blair:for.
Blair:For me and for this podcast and.
Martin:So you save the same to you there.
Martin:Thank you.
Blair:I hope to.
Blair:I've.
Blair:I've reached out to a couple of people, but they're both at the conference, so that's
Blair:probably why they haven't responded.
Martin:Yeah.
Blair:That's okay as far as speakers, but after the conference is overall I. I'll try to
Blair:reach out to them again, but that's all I've got.
Blair:So thank you.
Martin:Thank you very much, Blair.
Martin:And have a happy independent day.
Martin:Thank you.
Martin:And celebrate and have fun and enjoy.
Blair:We'll do so re.
Martin:Read the material that you wanted and I will do that in my way also.
Martin:I mean we have had that here in Got my.
Martin:With friends like celebration with
Martin:Independence Day in different ways.
Martin:And as I said again, we have had this tradition of celebrating Boston Tea Party for
Martin:a long time also.
Blair:Great.
Blair:Great.
Martin:It's all good.
Martin:So.
Blair:So Happy Independence Day, America, the most moral nation in human history.
Martin:Yeah.
Blair:Not. Not because of our Judeo Christian heritage, but in spite of it.
Martin:Yeah. And. And we will come to.
Martin:Back to that topic also.
Martin:And as the last thing.
Martin:Robot, you know, Robert B. Robert B.
Blair:Okay.
Martin:Yeah. And they will celebrate by reading.
Blair:Yes, that's right.
Martin:Declaration.
Martin:So that's a nice initiative.
Martin:And they have done that for a long time.
Martin:And you told me about the conference.
Martin:You have that with Connecticut, right?
Blair:Yes. Yeah. They did it.
Blair:We did it for.
Blair:I know that well.
Blair:Well, I know.
Blair:I certainly know that some time ago now.
Blair:But we did it every year.
Blair:Yeah. Whether it be on Zoom or live together stand, you know, being together in outside
Blair:somewhere.
Blair:But anyhow, that was.
Blair:That was before people had to leave or move or
Blair:this or that or you know, the next thing.
Blair:So anyhow.
Blair:But yes.
Blair:So that's again, happy birthday.
Blair:Happy Independence Day, America.
Martin:Yeah.
Blair:And that's all I got.
Martin:Yep. Have a good one, Blair, and talk to you soon again.
Blair:All right.
Blair:Thanks, Martin.
Martin:Sam.