1 00:01:47,191 --> 00:01:48,001 I'm Paul Comfort. 2 00:01:48,001 --> 00:01:52,441 Excited to have you with us on this special episode of Transit Unplugged, the 3 00:01:52,441 --> 00:01:54,721 world's leading transit executive podcast. 4 00:01:54,991 --> 00:01:59,251 Today I have my good friend, John Raan, who is founder and CEO of CoMotion. 5 00:01:59,461 --> 00:02:02,341 It's a global platform where the most innovative transportation and 6 00:02:02,341 --> 00:02:05,521 technology companies, as well as civic and business leaders from 7 00:02:05,526 --> 00:02:09,391 across the mobility ecosphere, explore, collaborate, and interact. 8 00:02:09,721 --> 00:02:13,591 To share ideas and make deals a little bit different than some John. 9 00:02:13,591 --> 00:02:13,861 Huh? 10 00:02:13,921 --> 00:02:15,571 You're making deals at your conference, aren't you? 11 00:02:15,571 --> 00:02:16,711 You're a deal maker, man. 12 00:02:16,741 --> 00:02:16,831 Sure. 13 00:02:17,701 --> 00:02:18,781 That's the name of the game, man. 14 00:02:18,991 --> 00:02:19,711 There you go. 15 00:02:19,921 --> 00:02:21,871 So, uh, CoMotion, I've been to a bunch of them. 16 00:02:21,901 --> 00:02:25,887 CoMotion organizes world leading future mobility gatherings, called 17 00:02:25,887 --> 00:02:29,896 CoMotion Miami and CoMotion la two of the hot transit tech cities in 18 00:02:29,896 --> 00:02:31,216 America and really in the world. 19 00:02:31,306 --> 00:02:34,426 They produced a Fast Forward podcast where I've been a guest in the past. 20 00:02:34,861 --> 00:02:38,341 And publish a weekly Substack CoMotion news, which I love by the way. 21 00:02:38,341 --> 00:02:41,491 It's a great place to get news and information with incisive 22 00:02:41,491 --> 00:02:44,281 news and analysis from the mobility, uh, revolution. 23 00:02:44,671 --> 00:02:47,611 John is also, and I'm particularly interested in this, the president 24 00:02:47,611 --> 00:02:49,321 of the Monaco Hydrogen Alliance. 25 00:02:49,732 --> 00:02:52,049 this is the first platform exclusively dedicated to 26 00:02:52,049 --> 00:02:54,119 mobility and renewable hydrogen. 27 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:56,999 John also sits on the advisory board for the alliance. 28 00:02:57,359 --> 00:03:00,179 For Southern California Innovation and Neon. 29 00:03:00,569 --> 00:03:03,719 And, uh, John, I remember you and I have been friends for, I don't know, five or 30 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:08,609 10 years, and I remember being at the first la uh, one of the first CoMotion 31 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,959 LA conferences, and I was just blown away by the technology you've got there. 32 00:03:13,139 --> 00:03:16,889 And, and the, it has a very different field than other traditional 33 00:03:16,994 --> 00:03:19,079 transit conferences, which I love. 34 00:03:19,079 --> 00:03:22,649 It feels edgier and it feels, uh, more on, more, almost on the 35 00:03:22,649 --> 00:03:24,621 bleeding edge, not just cutting edge. 36 00:03:24,621 --> 00:03:26,211 So bravo to you and your team. 37 00:03:27,556 --> 00:03:29,001 It is high praise coming from you. 38 00:03:29,001 --> 00:03:29,481 Thank you, Paul. 39 00:03:30,141 --> 00:03:31,041 Yeah, absolutely. 40 00:03:31,161 --> 00:03:34,371 And John, of course, uh, those of you who got the, uh, comfort Food 41 00:03:34,371 --> 00:03:38,421 Cookbook will remember John from his recipe that he put in there. 42 00:03:38,661 --> 00:03:39,801 Hey, let's start with that. 43 00:03:39,801 --> 00:03:40,221 John. 44 00:03:40,408 --> 00:03:43,258 tell us about the recipe and comfort food and, and where that came from. 45 00:03:44,098 --> 00:03:47,788 Well in, in, uh, the earlier part of my life, I lived in Rome, 46 00:03:47,788 --> 00:03:51,418 Italy, where I met my wife and got married and started a family. 47 00:03:52,138 --> 00:03:56,278 And we had a good friend, uh, back in Rome who's unfortunately no longer 48 00:03:56,278 --> 00:03:59,938 with us, who was actually a, uh, poet. 49 00:04:00,688 --> 00:04:08,368 And she was also not only a published and well-known poet, but she was a great cook. 50 00:04:08,368 --> 00:04:10,288 She loved to eat, she loved to make. 51 00:04:10,528 --> 00:04:15,508 Great food and, and she introduced me to the joys of good Italian wine. 52 00:04:16,228 --> 00:04:22,228 And she had a recipe that, was so simple but was so good. 53 00:04:22,348 --> 00:04:27,448 And it is involves if you can get your hands on very good, fresh yellow 54 00:04:27,448 --> 00:04:30,238 peppers and a little bit of saffron. 55 00:04:31,058 --> 00:04:34,208 And some olive oil and pecorino cheese. 56 00:04:34,748 --> 00:04:37,838 That's all you need to make a really great pasta. 57 00:04:37,898 --> 00:04:43,178 Um, and it involves just kind of patiently cooking the yellow peppers down to kind 58 00:04:43,178 --> 00:04:45,278 of liquid form and adding some saffron. 59 00:04:45,338 --> 00:04:46,123 Anyway, that's, yeah. 60 00:04:46,533 --> 00:04:46,883 Great. 61 00:04:46,883 --> 00:04:47,123 This, 62 00:04:48,863 --> 00:04:49,388 that's great. 63 00:04:49,418 --> 00:04:52,088 And I remember it was probably two years ago now, we, we 64 00:04:52,088 --> 00:04:54,038 actually, uh, did the book launch. 65 00:04:54,183 --> 00:04:55,143 At CoMotion Miami. 66 00:04:55,143 --> 00:04:55,743 You and I did. 67 00:04:55,743 --> 00:04:55,803 Yeah. 68 00:04:56,103 --> 00:04:59,013 Uh, the first time the book was released, we did a book signing. 69 00:04:59,013 --> 00:04:59,463 It was great. 70 00:04:59,463 --> 00:05:02,520 The book is going on to, great acclaim around the world, and, uh, 71 00:05:02,550 --> 00:05:03,780 thank you for your part in that. 72 00:05:04,140 --> 00:05:08,162 Uh, and it just shows, um, the innovation that you're known for. 73 00:05:08,162 --> 00:05:10,682 You, you live part-time in tour in Italy, and that's what we're 74 00:05:10,682 --> 00:05:11,822 talking from today, right? 75 00:05:12,327 --> 00:05:13,257 That is absolutely. 76 00:05:13,257 --> 00:05:17,367 I'm kind of between LA and Turin, which is, uh, the La Turin access. 77 00:05:17,367 --> 00:05:18,897 Don't, don't ask, but, uh, 78 00:05:19,887 --> 00:05:23,607 well, I, I'm excited to, uh, to be with you in Miami, which is 79 00:05:23,607 --> 00:05:27,207 coming up, uh, very soon, which is the CoMotion Miami Conference. 80 00:05:27,207 --> 00:05:29,547 And it is, uh, April 29th through 30th. 81 00:05:29,817 --> 00:05:32,577 It's, uh, the theme is New reality, new Opportunities. 82 00:05:32,577 --> 00:05:34,917 It'll be a Miami Dades College AI center. 83 00:05:35,262 --> 00:05:37,962 Uh, we'll be there filming an episode of Transit Unplugged tv. 84 00:05:37,962 --> 00:05:42,012 So for those of you who wanna see it in person, we invite you to join us there. 85 00:05:42,222 --> 00:05:46,482 And then afterwards, uh, we'll have an episode of Transit Unplugged tv, which 86 00:05:46,482 --> 00:05:47,652 showcases some of the stuff there. 87 00:05:47,652 --> 00:05:50,322 John, tell us about it this year's theme and what's going on there. 88 00:05:50,322 --> 00:05:50,382 I. 89 00:05:50,982 --> 00:05:54,702 Yeah, I mean, we're calling it um, uh, new realities, new opportunities. 90 00:05:54,702 --> 00:05:59,202 I mean, there is a new reality of course, which is, um, a new administration 91 00:05:59,232 --> 00:06:02,532 in Washington, which is changing some of the rules of the game. 92 00:06:03,148 --> 00:06:04,888 and I think, you know, there are. 93 00:06:05,758 --> 00:06:06,568 Not going anywhere. 94 00:06:06,598 --> 00:06:07,738 They're not going anywhere. 95 00:06:07,738 --> 00:06:11,488 So we have to get used to it and adapt over the next three years, 96 00:06:11,488 --> 00:06:12,898 three, three and a half years. 97 00:06:13,434 --> 00:06:19,582 in some cases it's a, could be a negative for cities because one of the expectations 98 00:06:19,642 --> 00:06:24,952 is that the funding spigot from the federal government to municipalities will 99 00:06:25,282 --> 00:06:27,867 decline, this year in the coming years. 100 00:06:28,137 --> 00:06:30,417 So cities have to be more creative. 101 00:06:30,917 --> 00:06:36,587 About finding ways to finance sustainable, mobility, sustainable 102 00:06:36,587 --> 00:06:38,597 transportation projects going forward. 103 00:06:39,107 --> 00:06:41,297 And it's in a difficult moment because, uh, uh. 104 00:06:41,301 --> 00:06:43,521 you know, tax receipts are going down, et cetera. 105 00:06:43,521 --> 00:06:48,380 It's, it's not an enormously strong economy, so, you 106 00:06:48,380 --> 00:06:50,180 know, we have to be creative. 107 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:53,720 One of the interesting things that we're gonna be doing in Miami is 108 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:59,624 we're launching a, a new international task force, called the Sumit Task 109 00:06:59,624 --> 00:07:05,834 Force, the Sustainable Urban Mobility Investment Task Force, and it looks at. 110 00:07:05,974 --> 00:07:12,454 Precisely some of the new, uh, financial instruments that cities can use to 111 00:07:12,454 --> 00:07:18,094 finance, you know, new metro lines, uh, new, uh, electric bus fleets, et cetera. 112 00:07:18,424 --> 00:07:22,894 Given that, uh, in the United States, the federal larges is probably gonna go down. 113 00:07:23,434 --> 00:07:24,394 Yeah, that's what I'm hearing too. 114 00:07:24,394 --> 00:07:27,634 Actually, I'll be in Washington, DC this week, the week we're recording the 115 00:07:27,634 --> 00:07:32,014 first week of April, um, going onto the hill, I'll be meeting with House and 116 00:07:32,014 --> 00:07:34,564 Senate leaders, meeting with the Federal Trans Administration, meeting with apta. 117 00:07:35,144 --> 00:07:37,814 And we're gonna get a kind of, get a pulse on what's happening. 118 00:07:37,814 --> 00:07:37,874 Yeah. 119 00:07:38,144 --> 00:07:40,124 Uh, and report back to our listeners. 120 00:07:40,304 --> 00:07:41,234 So I think it's great. 121 00:07:41,234 --> 00:07:44,594 I actually just spoke at a conference in Texas a couple weeks 122 00:07:44,594 --> 00:07:45,824 ago, and that was my theme, John. 123 00:07:46,034 --> 00:07:49,634 It was a new year, you know, a new administration and a new you. 124 00:07:49,814 --> 00:07:51,224 So it seems to be the theme, huh? 125 00:07:51,974 --> 00:07:52,334 Yeah. 126 00:07:52,334 --> 00:07:55,364 But we also, you know, we, again, we wanna look on the positive side 127 00:07:55,364 --> 00:07:56,294 and that's, that's what we see. 128 00:07:56,534 --> 00:07:58,634 New realities, but new opportunities. 129 00:07:58,634 --> 00:08:00,944 There's still a lot of opportunities out there. 130 00:08:01,247 --> 00:08:07,032 There is a lot of, technological innovation that is still going forward. 131 00:08:07,062 --> 00:08:11,490 And you know, I thank you for pointing out that Commotion is a place where 132 00:08:11,970 --> 00:08:17,070 these kinds of technological innovations are discussed, and I think one of the. 133 00:08:18,225 --> 00:08:23,415 Real differentiating things about what we do at Commotion is that we talk about 134 00:08:23,415 --> 00:08:28,797 innovation and cutting edge and bleeding edge technology, but we also, the public 135 00:08:28,797 --> 00:08:30,657 sector is very much a part of that. 136 00:08:30,987 --> 00:08:35,050 We see that, you know, we deep, we believe that mobility, uh, takes 137 00:08:35,050 --> 00:08:36,940 place in the public right of way. 138 00:08:37,355 --> 00:08:42,575 Uh, mobility will always be a extremely regulated industry. 139 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:48,230 and so it's, that's why it's so important to bring public and private 140 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:52,880 together, and that's kind of at the heart of what we try to do at Commotion. 141 00:08:53,330 --> 00:08:58,760 So it's, it's skews pretty evenly between 50% public sector, 50% private sector. 142 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,830 So do you guys do like a, um. 143 00:09:01,135 --> 00:09:02,905 Uh, shark Tank kind of thing. 144 00:09:02,905 --> 00:09:06,055 Still there where people present their latest technology or, and 145 00:09:06,055 --> 00:09:07,465 you have another conference too? 146 00:09:07,465 --> 00:09:07,795 Yeah. 147 00:09:07,975 --> 00:09:08,275 Yeah. 148 00:09:08,275 --> 00:09:09,655 But we, we also. 149 00:09:10,225 --> 00:09:11,425 Kind of reverse it. 150 00:09:11,425 --> 00:09:11,455 Okay. 151 00:09:11,485 --> 00:09:18,140 So instead of having, cool startups pitch their cool technology to clients 152 00:09:18,140 --> 00:09:22,970 or to the public sector, we have the public sector, heads of departments of 153 00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:27,710 transportation, and, uh, people like that pitching to the private sector 154 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:29,900 in the sense, this is what we need. 155 00:09:29,930 --> 00:09:30,575 This is Oh, wow. 156 00:09:30,985 --> 00:09:34,405 And, and people find this extremely useful. 157 00:09:34,615 --> 00:09:35,215 Yeah. 158 00:09:35,515 --> 00:09:39,415 So we begin each day with, with this breakfast, which is pitching 159 00:09:39,415 --> 00:09:40,825 the private sector, essentially. 160 00:09:41,185 --> 00:09:41,605 Okay. 161 00:09:41,610 --> 00:09:42,220 That's interesting. 162 00:09:42,220 --> 00:09:43,420 Instead of the other way around. 163 00:09:43,860 --> 00:09:44,020 Yeah. 164 00:09:44,210 --> 00:09:44,500 Yeah. 165 00:09:44,635 --> 00:09:45,085 That's great, 166 00:09:45,085 --> 00:09:45,385 man. 167 00:09:45,730 --> 00:09:48,100 and you've got some amazing speakers coming up. 168 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:49,180 I've looked, by the way, thank you. 169 00:09:49,180 --> 00:09:52,030 I'm, I'm gonna be moderating a, a panel, which I think will be pretty cool. 170 00:09:52,030 --> 00:09:53,110 I'll talk about that in a minute. 171 00:09:53,330 --> 00:09:53,510 Yeah, we, 172 00:09:54,350 --> 00:09:56,630 we always love having you on stage, Paul. 173 00:09:57,770 --> 00:09:57,891 Thank you. 174 00:09:57,896 --> 00:10:00,320 You really bring a lot of insights and you're, you're 175 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,820 just a great presence on stage. 176 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:02,090 So 177 00:10:02,450 --> 00:10:02,750 thanks. 178 00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:04,550 I feel like I'm a professional moderator now. 179 00:10:04,550 --> 00:10:07,280 That's what I do a lot of times is moderate these panels. 180 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,980 But, um, tell us about some of the other great speakers you've got coming up. 181 00:10:10,700 --> 00:10:15,425 Well, we've of course got the two key mayors, from Miami, uh, mayor 182 00:10:15,425 --> 00:10:21,545 Daniella, Levine Kava, who's the mayor of Miami Dade County, which is the big. 183 00:10:22,415 --> 00:10:25,325 Conglomeration of, of, of cities where Miami is. 184 00:10:25,685 --> 00:10:30,155 And also our, our old friend Francis Suarez, who's the mayor of 185 00:10:30,245 --> 00:10:32,285 Miami itself, the city of Miami. 186 00:10:32,715 --> 00:10:34,019 , we also have other mayors. 187 00:10:34,095 --> 00:10:38,115 for example, the Mayor of Pretoria, the capital of South Africa, 188 00:10:38,553 --> 00:10:41,576 is coming into Commotion Miami, which is quite a long trip. 189 00:10:42,449 --> 00:10:48,209 and she in fact, is going to be part of this new task force we're setting 190 00:10:48,209 --> 00:10:52,962 up on, finding innovative financing mechanisms for cities because it's not 191 00:10:52,962 --> 00:10:57,552 only an American conversation, but it's also very much a global conversation. 192 00:10:57,969 --> 00:11:00,773 one of the interesting things about this new task force 193 00:11:00,953 --> 00:11:03,502 is that, also global cities. 194 00:11:03,792 --> 00:11:07,446 Have to find new and innovative ways to finance big projects. 195 00:11:07,446 --> 00:11:12,606 So the World Bank, for example, estimates that over the next 30 years 196 00:11:12,606 --> 00:11:17,496 or so, will need around $50 trillion. 197 00:11:17,496 --> 00:11:18,336 That's a key trillion. 198 00:11:19,776 --> 00:11:19,836 Yeah. 199 00:11:20,383 --> 00:11:23,945 For new investments in sustainable transportation 200 00:11:23,945 --> 00:11:25,295 technology around the world. 201 00:11:26,195 --> 00:11:29,795 And currently there's about a $10 trillion gap. 202 00:11:30,620 --> 00:11:34,323 Between, you know, what central governments can finance, et cetera. 203 00:11:34,323 --> 00:11:39,616 So cities really have to be, very creative in how they finance these new things 204 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:42,230 and find that, you know, $10 trillion. 205 00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:42,590 So. 206 00:11:43,315 --> 00:11:48,586 Often, if you think about the world financial system that was, uh, pretty 207 00:11:48,586 --> 00:11:52,934 much organized after the second World War, it basically has nation states 208 00:11:52,934 --> 00:11:55,064 rather than cities at the center of it. 209 00:11:55,484 --> 00:12:00,884 And so often in the outside the United States, cities don't 210 00:12:00,884 --> 00:12:04,814 have access to financial markets for a variety of reasons. 211 00:12:04,814 --> 00:12:07,754 The same way that American cities do have. 212 00:12:08,094 --> 00:12:11,394 Quite a lot of access via municipal funding, municipal bonds. 213 00:12:11,964 --> 00:12:15,564 So it's, it's a, it's kind of a complicated, but very, very important 214 00:12:15,564 --> 00:12:20,304 subject because if we don't find these financial resources, we're not gonna 215 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:26,628 be able to put in the new kinds of, sustainable, uh, transportation systems 216 00:12:26,628 --> 00:12:28,428 that, that we need in our cities. 217 00:12:29,304 --> 00:12:32,604 Just for people who may be interested or may be attending on Tuesday, I'll be on 218 00:12:32,604 --> 00:12:36,894 the leadership stage at 4:30 PM moderating what you and I just talked about, John. 219 00:12:36,894 --> 00:12:40,644 It's a panel on autonomous mobility at scale, safety policy, 220 00:12:40,644 --> 00:12:41,814 and real world deployment. 221 00:12:42,084 --> 00:12:45,410 Nat Ford will be there, of course, from the JTA, leadership from 222 00:12:45,410 --> 00:12:49,730 Miami-Dade and some other folks there too from ZOOX and NTSB. 223 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,170 It ought to be an amazing panel. 224 00:12:51,230 --> 00:12:52,400 Thanks for setting me up with that man. 225 00:12:52,835 --> 00:12:53,435 Well, that's good. 226 00:12:53,435 --> 00:12:54,305 No, no, thank you. 227 00:12:54,305 --> 00:12:57,305 Because it's, you know, it could not be a more important topic. 228 00:12:57,305 --> 00:13:01,537 I mean, autonomous, vehicles are here and they're here to stay. 229 00:13:01,537 --> 00:13:02,917 It's only gonna grow. 230 00:13:03,494 --> 00:13:07,722 as you well know, Florida, has been a leader in thinking about. 231 00:13:08,777 --> 00:13:13,353 How autonomous vehicles will, will and can navigate our cities in 232 00:13:13,353 --> 00:13:17,883 the future, uh, in terms of, you know, really smart legislation, 233 00:13:17,883 --> 00:13:19,863 smart regulations around that. 234 00:13:20,553 --> 00:13:23,719 So, I think the whole, transit community can learn a lot 235 00:13:23,719 --> 00:13:24,774 from how Florida is doing it. 236 00:13:25,634 --> 00:13:28,934 Yeah, Nat Ford at JTA has had that test and learn facility, and 237 00:13:28,934 --> 00:13:30,224 now he's announced that, hold on. 238 00:13:30,584 --> 00:13:34,438 Uh, the manufacturer from Europe is gonna bring, our first America 239 00:13:34,438 --> 00:13:37,918 based, uh, manufacturing plant so they can meet, uh, by America 240 00:13:37,918 --> 00:13:39,238 requirements, et cetera, I guess. 241 00:13:39,418 --> 00:13:40,918 So that's coming supposedly soon. 242 00:13:40,918 --> 00:13:42,418 He was just on Capitol Hill last week. 243 00:13:42,418 --> 00:13:43,468 I saw him do a post on that. 244 00:13:44,128 --> 00:13:44,668 Oh, great. 245 00:13:44,848 --> 00:13:46,228 Yeah, a lot of good stuff happening. 246 00:13:46,408 --> 00:13:48,868 When we come back in just a minute, John, I'm gonna ask you about, 247 00:13:49,065 --> 00:13:51,975 how you put together these private and public sector leaders a little 248 00:13:51,975 --> 00:13:53,145 bit more and dive into that. 249 00:13:53,145 --> 00:13:56,805 And plus I wanna dive into hydrogen and what you're doing in Monaco and all that. 250 00:13:56,805 --> 00:13:58,586 Right after this special announcement, I. 251 00:14:50,147 --> 00:14:53,807 And we're back with John Raat, who is founder and CEO of CoMotion. 252 00:14:54,077 --> 00:14:56,777 We're talking about the upcoming CoMotion Miami conference. 253 00:14:57,137 --> 00:15:01,127 Uh, John, you know, I, I was just in Kansas City for our company conference, 254 00:15:01,157 --> 00:15:03,287 uh, think Transit, and, um, I. 255 00:15:03,647 --> 00:15:06,977 Frank White, the CEO was talking about, uh, the World Cup coming to 256 00:15:06,977 --> 00:15:10,457 the us uh, and how a lot of cities are getting ready for the Texas too. 257 00:15:10,457 --> 00:15:13,997 A lot of cities are happening here, I think in Canada, Mexico, and the us. 258 00:15:14,147 --> 00:15:15,917 Are you addressing that at all at the conference? 259 00:15:16,217 --> 00:15:19,907 Absolutely it's gonna be front and center because Miami, of course, is one 260 00:15:19,907 --> 00:15:24,167 of the big, uh, world Cup cities next year and it's really coming up fast. 261 00:15:24,227 --> 00:15:24,527 Yeah. 262 00:15:24,767 --> 00:15:29,387 You know, so, uh, we've got Tanya Mahan from the FIFA World Cup 263 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:31,337 Organization, so that'll be great. 264 00:15:31,751 --> 00:15:35,145 we have, people from Los Angeles who were looking at the World 265 00:15:35,145 --> 00:15:37,361 Cup, you know how cities. 266 00:15:38,021 --> 00:15:43,511 Approach and deal with mega events like this from a transit point of view could 267 00:15:43,511 --> 00:15:46,901 not be more important because transit is really at the heart of whether you're 268 00:15:46,901 --> 00:15:52,181 gonna have a successful event or not, because it involves moving vast numbers 269 00:15:52,181 --> 00:15:58,511 of fans, uh, you know, across from, from, uh, yeah, venue to venue two, et cetera. 270 00:15:58,841 --> 00:16:02,021 And doing that in a kind of seamless way will really contribute 271 00:16:02,021 --> 00:16:03,311 to the success of the event. 272 00:16:03,966 --> 00:16:07,476 So one of the things you know at all, whether it's Commotion LA. 273 00:16:08,276 --> 00:16:09,416 Or Commotion Miami. 274 00:16:09,416 --> 00:16:14,198 But over the last couple of years, there has been a big focus on mega events. 275 00:16:14,318 --> 00:16:14,378 Yeah. 276 00:16:14,378 --> 00:16:18,428 And of course in LA where we have our Commotion LA conference, we also 277 00:16:18,428 --> 00:16:23,275 have not only the World Cup next year, but in 2028, the Olympics. 278 00:16:23,905 --> 00:16:24,115 Right. 279 00:16:24,115 --> 00:16:26,685 Which, you know, is a other kind of challenge. 280 00:16:26,685 --> 00:16:29,415 I mean, it's just, you know, just a, a really big deal. 281 00:16:29,625 --> 00:16:29,895 Yeah. 282 00:16:29,895 --> 00:16:33,495 We did a recent episode of our Transit Unplugged TV show there and, 283 00:16:33,495 --> 00:16:35,655 uh, featuring, you know, how they're getting ready for the Olympics. 284 00:16:35,655 --> 00:16:39,105 We had con in on there to CO and a bunch of other folks that the CIO 285 00:16:39,105 --> 00:16:43,155 and um, actually it, it was our biggest watch show ever in California. 286 00:16:43,155 --> 00:16:44,625 We had thousands of viewers in California. 287 00:16:44,625 --> 00:16:47,025 Of course, they're all interested in how they're gonna do a transit 288 00:16:47,025 --> 00:16:49,605 First Olympics there and try to move cars out of the equation. 289 00:16:49,605 --> 00:16:49,665 Yeah. 290 00:16:50,146 --> 00:16:50,626 But you know, 291 00:16:50,911 --> 00:16:55,156 I, I think if you look at, you know, some of the other speakers, uh, yeah. 292 00:16:55,216 --> 00:17:01,576 In Miami, like Michael Lynn Abnet from HNTB, uh, or Dimitri Ovv, uh, 293 00:17:01,606 --> 00:17:05,986 the head of Uber Transit, everyone's gonna be talking about mega events 294 00:17:05,986 --> 00:17:07,796 and about, the World Cup, you know? 295 00:17:07,796 --> 00:17:09,116 That's, that's right. 296 00:17:09,386 --> 00:17:10,586 Really coming up fast. 297 00:17:10,586 --> 00:17:11,786 And I saw Collie 298 00:17:11,786 --> 00:17:13,286 Greenwood's gonna be there too, from Marta. 299 00:17:13,286 --> 00:17:13,736 That's cool. 300 00:17:14,104 --> 00:17:14,374 Yeah. 301 00:17:14,374 --> 00:17:17,164 Another great speaker that I really need to mention is, of course, 302 00:17:17,164 --> 00:17:21,849 Stacy Miller, who, mayor Levine Kava, has appointed, to be the new 303 00:17:21,849 --> 00:17:25,809 head of the Miami-Dade Department of Transportation and Public Works. 304 00:17:26,013 --> 00:17:28,744 you know, she, she, I. Started, April 7th. 305 00:17:28,744 --> 00:17:32,452 So this will really be the first opportunity that, that she has 306 00:17:32,452 --> 00:17:35,512 to give a vision of, of, of, of what she has in mind over the 307 00:17:35,512 --> 00:17:38,302 next few years, uh, in Miami-Dade. 308 00:17:38,302 --> 00:17:39,652 So, very excited about that. 309 00:17:40,261 --> 00:17:42,721 one of the things I love about your conference too, John, is it's just 310 00:17:42,721 --> 00:17:46,111 not like on buses and trains, like a lot of traditional transit, but 311 00:17:46,111 --> 00:17:49,141 you've got aviation, you've got vertical takeoff and landing vehicles 312 00:17:49,141 --> 00:17:50,581 there, you've got all kinds of stuff. 313 00:17:50,946 --> 00:17:52,806 who do you have coming, speaking kind of on that? 314 00:17:52,806 --> 00:17:53,796 Anybody cool this year? 315 00:17:54,241 --> 00:17:58,557 Yeah, I mean we have, um, Joby will be there, you know, it's one 316 00:17:58,557 --> 00:18:00,357 of the, the leaders in the space. 317 00:18:00,431 --> 00:18:04,901 I'm not sure if anybody's is coming from Archer, uh, but Eve, which is 318 00:18:04,901 --> 00:18:07,311 another EAL group, based, in Florida. 319 00:18:07,782 --> 00:18:08,682 so we've got somebody 320 00:18:08,682 --> 00:18:09,972 from the Paris airport, right. 321 00:18:10,992 --> 00:18:17,652 Arab de, which is, uh, owns the, not only the Paris airports, but owns a bunch of 322 00:18:17,652 --> 00:18:19,542 other airports in France and in Europe. 323 00:18:19,782 --> 00:18:19,902 Oh, wow. 324 00:18:19,902 --> 00:18:24,194 So they're, they're a big actor in the kind of aviation space, in Europe and 325 00:18:24,194 --> 00:18:29,047 thinking very proactively about how, electric, vertical takeoff and landing 326 00:18:29,047 --> 00:18:34,239 aircraft can be, integrated into, airport, uh, right systems in the future. 327 00:18:34,922 --> 00:18:39,452 When people go to the commotion, uh, it's not just walking outside a lot of times Is 328 00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:42,947 it gonna be outside, by the way, your expo this year where people get to see It's, 329 00:18:42,947 --> 00:18:44,162 it's, it's sort of in and out. 330 00:18:44,432 --> 00:18:44,462 Okay. 331 00:18:44,462 --> 00:18:47,102 I mean, the sessions will be inside right. 332 00:18:47,282 --> 00:18:48,722 Air conditioned and we are in my. 333 00:18:49,997 --> 00:18:54,107 Um, but there is, you know, you can, there are a lot of things outside and, 334 00:18:54,107 --> 00:18:58,757 you know, we're not a trade show, but we encourage people to kind of bring 335 00:18:58,757 --> 00:19:01,727 gadgets to look at or, or vehicles. 336 00:19:01,757 --> 00:19:04,487 'cause I, you know, it's, it's always nice sort of. 337 00:19:04,997 --> 00:19:05,147 Yeah. 338 00:19:05,147 --> 00:19:06,497 You know, kicking in the tires. 339 00:19:07,457 --> 00:19:07,638 I love that. 340 00:19:07,638 --> 00:19:08,387 That's what I love about it for sure. 341 00:19:08,687 --> 00:19:11,267 We're gonna showcase some of that on our show too, but tell us more about, 342 00:19:11,507 --> 00:19:13,337 uh, I love your evening receptions. 343 00:19:13,337 --> 00:19:15,587 You know, you have some great work sessions, a challenge. 344 00:19:15,587 --> 00:19:18,347 Talk to us about what else people will experience when they're 345 00:19:18,347 --> 00:19:19,607 at CoMotion Miami this year I. 346 00:19:20,102 --> 00:19:25,022 Well, you mentioned, uh, the challenge and this year, um, we're partnering with 347 00:19:25,022 --> 00:19:31,312 the Miami Innovation Authority, which is a fairly new, entity, of Miami-Dade County. 348 00:19:31,664 --> 00:19:35,919 they support, a whole variety of early stage growth companies 349 00:19:36,159 --> 00:19:37,419 to come up with sort of. 350 00:19:37,521 --> 00:19:41,047 various kinds of technological innovations to make Miami-Dade, 351 00:19:41,144 --> 00:19:43,124 better adapted to citizens' needs. 352 00:19:43,124 --> 00:19:45,074 And a lot of what they look at is mobility. 353 00:19:45,464 --> 00:19:48,734 So they're doing a challenge this year, which we're helping out with. 354 00:19:48,734 --> 00:19:52,814 And so we'll be hearing from some of the companies involved in that challenge. 355 00:19:53,114 --> 00:19:54,734 So I'm really excited about that. 356 00:19:55,179 --> 00:19:59,615 As you say, there's always a lot of side events and I think a big part 357 00:19:59,615 --> 00:20:04,085 of, you know, the value of Commotion is meeting people and, you know, 358 00:20:04,085 --> 00:20:05,915 building your net, your own network. 359 00:20:05,915 --> 00:20:11,135 And, uh, you know, often it's in sort of informal discussions in the corridor 360 00:20:11,135 --> 00:20:16,655 or or over a beer at night where you really learn things and you've come away 361 00:20:16,655 --> 00:20:19,445 with deep insights about the direction. 362 00:20:19,625 --> 00:20:19,685 Yeah. 363 00:20:20,052 --> 00:20:20,802 Yeah, absolutely. 364 00:20:20,802 --> 00:20:22,452 I love, uh, I love all those things. 365 00:20:22,602 --> 00:20:25,662 Last time I was in Miami with you two years ago, I remember 366 00:20:25,662 --> 00:20:29,352 the opening reception, man, you had a DeLorean right there. 367 00:20:29,442 --> 00:20:32,442 And, uh, of course that's, you know, the coolest car ever, you know, 368 00:20:32,442 --> 00:20:33,882 for those of us of a certain age. 369 00:20:33,882 --> 00:20:35,022 Remember back to the future. 370 00:20:35,022 --> 00:20:38,022 So love all the kind of neat things you've got going on there. 371 00:20:38,494 --> 00:20:40,594 what is the mission for CoMotion? 372 00:20:40,594 --> 00:20:41,764 What's your, what's your game plan? 373 00:20:42,829 --> 00:20:47,479 I mean, ultimately, look, I mean, our mission is, you know, we believe in 374 00:20:47,479 --> 00:20:53,651 a future of, you know, sustainable, seamless, multimodal mobility in cities. 375 00:20:53,651 --> 00:20:54,191 We think that. 376 00:20:54,842 --> 00:20:58,790 The seamlessness is a really key, element in the future. 377 00:20:58,790 --> 00:21:04,820 You know, the future is multimodal and one of the really interesting things that we 378 00:21:04,820 --> 00:21:10,475 look at is all the amazing new modes of mobility that are coming down the pike. 379 00:21:10,475 --> 00:21:14,855 And you mentioned, you know, advanced air mobility options and, and you're right, we 380 00:21:14,855 --> 00:21:19,816 were very, very early on, I think in the very first, commotion LA eight years ago. 381 00:21:20,251 --> 00:21:24,901 We in fact had a discussion of advanced air mobility and no one had really 382 00:21:25,711 --> 00:21:28,771 thought about it, was thinking about it back then, but it, it is going 383 00:21:28,771 --> 00:21:34,231 to be part of an urban region's, um, mobility options in the future. 384 00:21:34,681 --> 00:21:35,011 Yep. 385 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:41,491 And instead of, you know, getting in a, in a Uber, uh, to go to LAX, if you live 386 00:21:41,491 --> 00:21:43,591 in Hollywood Hills, for example, right. 387 00:21:44,026 --> 00:21:47,626 You're gonna hop on in an electric vertical takeoff and landing aircraft 388 00:21:47,626 --> 00:21:49,516 and do that trip in five minutes. 389 00:21:49,936 --> 00:21:51,886 That would may maybe otherwise take an hour. 390 00:21:52,396 --> 00:21:53,446 Yeah, I can't wait for that. 391 00:21:53,776 --> 00:21:54,016 Yeah, 392 00:21:54,271 --> 00:21:58,876 I, I want an autonomous vitol to come and land in my front yard. 393 00:21:59,206 --> 00:22:03,916 Pick me up for $99 and take me to the roof of the ft. A building in downtown dc. 394 00:22:03,916 --> 00:22:04,936 Beat all that traffic. 395 00:22:05,206 --> 00:22:06,376 It's about an hour drive. 396 00:22:06,376 --> 00:22:07,726 I bet you we could do it in 15 minutes. 397 00:22:07,846 --> 00:22:07,906 So 398 00:22:08,836 --> 00:22:09,286 yeah, 399 00:22:09,466 --> 00:22:10,606 the Eastern, I mean, it's a 400 00:22:10,606 --> 00:22:13,066 future that is starting to come into focus. 401 00:22:14,161 --> 00:22:15,211 Same way you have. 402 00:22:15,227 --> 00:22:19,756 you know, I think we were among the first to start talking about maritime 403 00:22:19,756 --> 00:22:23,536 mobility and we see that also, you know, a lot of cities are on the water. 404 00:22:23,746 --> 00:22:24,166 That's right. 405 00:22:24,472 --> 00:22:28,347 and you know how you get from point A to point B. Officially 406 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:29,937 could involve a trip on the water. 407 00:22:29,937 --> 00:22:30,027 Yes. 408 00:22:30,297 --> 00:22:31,437 That doesn't have to be Venice. 409 00:22:31,437 --> 00:22:33,267 It could also be New York City, for example. 410 00:22:33,267 --> 00:22:33,507 That's right. 411 00:22:33,687 --> 00:22:36,387 Or Washington dc I was just there this last week with Randy Clark. 412 00:22:36,567 --> 00:22:39,507 We were doing an episode featuring how to get around Washington DC 413 00:22:39,507 --> 00:22:41,097 using transit instead of cars. 414 00:22:41,097 --> 00:22:41,187 Yep. 415 00:22:41,517 --> 00:22:45,897 And, uh, we rode the water taxi, right, right behind, uh, you know, Georgetown 416 00:22:45,897 --> 00:22:47,427 across, uh, across the water from there. 417 00:22:47,427 --> 00:22:48,807 So Georgetown Park, it was great. 418 00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:51,672 One of the other great things you're working on, John, that you and I 419 00:22:51,672 --> 00:22:55,976 are in alignment on is the power of hydrogen, as a, as a new sustainable, 420 00:22:55,976 --> 00:22:57,806 you know, zero emission fuel. 421 00:22:57,986 --> 00:23:01,466 Of course, here in America, we have seven hydrogen hubs that were outlined 422 00:23:01,466 --> 00:23:05,010 in the, IAJA, uh, that were funded and they're starting to come into 423 00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:06,690 focus, but it's still very slow. 424 00:23:06,690 --> 00:23:08,880 Feels like we're dragging our feet on hydrogen a little bit. 425 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:11,250 What's going on with hydrogen around the world and what, 426 00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:12,030 what are you doing with it? 427 00:23:12,313 --> 00:23:12,553 Yeah. 428 00:23:12,553 --> 00:23:16,513 Thank you for mentioning that because, um, it's something that we've always 429 00:23:16,513 --> 00:23:19,093 looked at somewhat at commotion. 430 00:23:19,458 --> 00:23:23,873 certainly hydrogen for, uh, trucking, heavy duty trucking is yeah, is a 431 00:23:23,987 --> 00:23:27,767 really important use case because you just can't get batteries. 432 00:23:27,787 --> 00:23:33,217 You know, they're gonna be so big and so heavy to propel, a truck long distances 433 00:23:33,217 --> 00:23:34,957 that there won't be any room for cargo. 434 00:23:35,497 --> 00:23:39,667 And so the great thing about hydrogen is that it has four to five times 435 00:23:39,667 --> 00:23:42,037 the energy of lithium iron batteries. 436 00:23:42,037 --> 00:23:46,744 And so you can really Go the distance, which is why, for example, Joby, who I 437 00:23:46,744 --> 00:23:50,074 mentioned, which is one of the players in the electric vertical takeoff and landing 438 00:23:50,074 --> 00:23:55,954 aircraft is very advanced in hydrogen because they recognize that a battery 439 00:23:55,954 --> 00:24:01,651 powered, Little aircraft that needs a lot of power to, to rise vertically. 440 00:24:02,053 --> 00:24:05,108 if you use batteries, you're not gonna have a lot of range. 441 00:24:05,798 --> 00:24:10,512 And so they retrofitted one of their evals for, fuel hydrogen 442 00:24:10,512 --> 00:24:15,552 fuel cell and had a test flight last summer of close to 600 miles. 443 00:24:15,702 --> 00:24:16,182 Wow. 444 00:24:16,597 --> 00:24:22,400 That completely opens up a new kind of regional mode of, demand 445 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,218 driven, sustainable transportation, you know, getting from your house 446 00:24:26,638 --> 00:24:31,403 to perhaps not to, the center of Washington, but maybe to a suburb. 447 00:24:31,403 --> 00:24:31,913 New York City. 448 00:24:31,913 --> 00:24:31,973 Yeah. 449 00:24:31,973 --> 00:24:32,968 New York City. 450 00:24:33,478 --> 00:24:33,768 Yeah. 451 00:24:33,768 --> 00:24:34,048 Yeah. 452 00:24:34,078 --> 00:24:36,233 It's only a four hour drive, so yeah. 453 00:24:36,293 --> 00:24:37,013 Wow. 454 00:24:37,258 --> 00:24:37,918 That's amazing. 455 00:24:37,918 --> 00:24:40,541 And so tell me about the Monaco Hydrogen Alliance. 456 00:24:40,541 --> 00:24:41,261 What is that and 457 00:24:41,261 --> 00:24:41,651 what do you do? 458 00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:46,121 Yeah, we set that up around four years ago as a nonprofit. 459 00:24:46,164 --> 00:24:49,944 it so happens that we've actually done a lot of work in Monaco over the years, 460 00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:55,043 and I'm quite friendly with, uh, prince Albert, the, the ruler of Monaco, who's 461 00:24:55,043 --> 00:24:57,653 a very open-minded individual, is. 462 00:24:58,138 --> 00:25:03,449 Almost completely focused on fighting climate change and, coming up 463 00:25:03,449 --> 00:25:07,949 with sort of zero carbon solutions for, you know, transportation. 464 00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:12,176 there are, I think about 300 electric charging stations in Monaco. 465 00:25:12,596 --> 00:25:13,766 They're all free. 466 00:25:13,946 --> 00:25:16,706 Anybody can use them and charge up your car for free. 467 00:25:17,471 --> 00:25:18,701 we felt that. 468 00:25:19,207 --> 00:25:25,597 The world needed a kind of really focused initiative on mobility and 469 00:25:25,597 --> 00:25:29,347 renewable hydrogen, green hydrogen, and to look at the sort of the next 470 00:25:29,347 --> 00:25:34,657 generation of planes, trains, trucks, boats that will be running on hydrogen. 471 00:25:34,897 --> 00:25:36,997 This is not something for tomorrow. 472 00:25:37,424 --> 00:25:39,974 There are some pain points about using hydrogen. 473 00:25:39,974 --> 00:25:42,134 It's a very, very small atom. 474 00:25:42,134 --> 00:25:42,434 Indeed. 475 00:25:42,434 --> 00:25:46,373 It's the smallest, it's the most abundant atom in the universe, by the 476 00:25:46,373 --> 00:25:50,363 way, the most abundant element, but it's a tricky one because it's so small. 477 00:25:50,427 --> 00:25:52,252 the atoms can leak out. 478 00:25:52,252 --> 00:25:53,122 So you have to take. 479 00:25:53,534 --> 00:25:56,054 extra care not to have that happen. 480 00:25:56,216 --> 00:25:57,655 you know, it's combustible. 481 00:25:57,655 --> 00:25:59,755 It's, it's so, it's, it's not so easy. 482 00:25:59,831 --> 00:26:03,761 but what's interesting, really, really interesting about the hydrogen 483 00:26:03,761 --> 00:26:08,171 space is that the innovations are starting to happen now. 484 00:26:08,231 --> 00:26:12,281 If you think about battery electric, it's really been 20 years. 485 00:26:12,541 --> 00:26:16,291 Where the greatest minds in the world have been focused on how 486 00:26:16,291 --> 00:26:17,701 to make batteries more efficient. 487 00:26:18,031 --> 00:26:20,641 That's just starting now in the hydrogen space. 488 00:26:21,061 --> 00:26:25,111 And some of the things we're learning is that we can really bring down the costs 489 00:26:25,531 --> 00:26:31,321 of producing, of, of making hydrogen, of storing it, of transporting it, et cetera. 490 00:26:31,741 --> 00:26:35,431 So I think, you know, these are things that are coming down the pike. 491 00:26:35,466 --> 00:26:37,146 It's very, very exciting. 492 00:26:37,739 --> 00:26:39,389 I don't think we're gonna see hydrogen. 493 00:26:39,659 --> 00:26:44,609 We have, there are hydrogen cars, but I think the widespread adoption, a 494 00:26:44,609 --> 00:26:47,339 kind of hi, a hydrogen powered Tesla. 495 00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:50,189 I think that's not for the next few years. 496 00:26:50,489 --> 00:26:53,519 I think trucking is certainly going to happen pretty soon. 497 00:26:53,917 --> 00:26:57,889 they're already hydrogen powered trains and the beauty of hydrogen is 498 00:26:57,889 --> 00:27:00,725 completely, Friendly to the environment. 499 00:27:00,725 --> 00:27:04,085 The only thing that comes out of the tailpipe is water, drops of water. 500 00:27:04,388 --> 00:27:09,811 there's no carbon involved, so it's a very, very exciting space, and again, 501 00:27:09,811 --> 00:27:13,951 precisely because of the new kinds of technologies that are, that are, 502 00:27:14,251 --> 00:27:17,821 that are, we're starting to see across the whole value chain of hydrogen. 503 00:27:18,481 --> 00:27:21,211 And as you know, it's, uh, it's really starting to take the 504 00:27:21,211 --> 00:27:23,431 transit industry buses by storm. 505 00:27:23,431 --> 00:27:27,811 My good friend Kurt Conrad, who is CEO of the Stark Area Regional Transit Authority 506 00:27:27,811 --> 00:27:31,501 in Canton, Ohio, where the NFL Football Hall of Fame is, he wrote a chapter in 507 00:27:31,501 --> 00:27:35,157 my latest book, the New Future Public Transportation, and he heads up the mid, 508 00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:37,755 I don't know what it's called, but it's in, it's like the central part of America. 509 00:27:37,755 --> 00:27:41,535 They've got a center of excellence and, uh, my friend Mikel Oglesby kind 510 00:27:41,535 --> 00:27:45,945 of got it started in Sunlight Transit out there, in, uh, in south of la and. 511 00:27:46,030 --> 00:27:49,613 Dorn Barnes, CEO of, uh, foothills has really, he's got the largest fleet in 512 00:27:49,613 --> 00:27:51,358 America of, absolutely hydrogen buses. 513 00:27:51,358 --> 00:27:53,308 And so I, I'm excited about this. 514 00:27:53,368 --> 00:27:53,518 Very, 515 00:27:53,523 --> 00:27:54,028 very forward. 516 00:27:54,033 --> 00:27:54,283 Yeah. 517 00:27:54,478 --> 00:27:54,718 Yeah. 518 00:27:54,718 --> 00:27:57,568 I'm excited about it, John, and look forward to continuing to help you 519 00:27:57,568 --> 00:28:00,808 promote hydrogen fuel, uh, both here in the United States and around the 520 00:28:00,808 --> 00:28:05,188 world because I think it is a great sustainable, and Ed is, in my mind, 521 00:28:05,218 --> 00:28:06,838 ed is almost ready for prime time. 522 00:28:07,128 --> 00:28:09,648 Based on the people I've talked to and the bus industry. 523 00:28:09,855 --> 00:28:13,782 and so I think it's our time now for hydrogen fuel, so I'm excited about it. 524 00:28:13,782 --> 00:28:14,382 And the issue is 525 00:28:14,772 --> 00:28:17,532 really kind of infrastructure and, and, yeah, that's right. 526 00:28:17,952 --> 00:28:20,202 Don't we have to build out hydrogen infrastructure? 527 00:28:20,202 --> 00:28:22,572 So it's, it's always the eternal chicken and egg. 528 00:28:22,572 --> 00:28:22,602 I, 529 00:28:23,082 --> 00:28:24,612 what comes first until the demand is 530 00:28:24,612 --> 00:28:26,772 there, they're not gonna build the infrastructure, but. 531 00:28:26,855 --> 00:28:29,402 If there's no infrastructure, the demand won't be there, but it, 532 00:28:29,402 --> 00:28:30,692 it, it's gonna happen for sure. 533 00:28:30,692 --> 00:28:30,872 Yeah. 534 00:28:31,172 --> 00:28:31,292 Yeah. 535 00:28:31,292 --> 00:28:31,532 That's 536 00:28:31,532 --> 00:28:31,892 great. 537 00:28:32,162 --> 00:28:34,922 Well, you can hear more about this and learn more about all the 538 00:28:34,922 --> 00:28:38,612 things we've talked about today at John's upcoming CoMotion Miami. 539 00:28:38,612 --> 00:28:43,202 It's gonna be held Tuesday and Wednesday, April 29th and 30th in Miami, Florida. 540 00:28:43,202 --> 00:28:45,467 I. And, uh, if you're interested in attending, there's still 541 00:28:45,467 --> 00:28:46,487 time for you to sign up. 542 00:28:46,637 --> 00:28:48,677 It's at CoMotion miami.com. 543 00:28:48,707 --> 00:28:52,817 Again, C-O-M-O-T-I-O-N miami.com. 544 00:28:52,997 --> 00:28:54,557 You can learn more and you can register there. 545 00:28:54,557 --> 00:28:58,037 We'll be filming, as I mentioned, transit Unplugged TV and episode there, hopefully 546 00:28:58,037 --> 00:28:59,837 interviewing a few folks for the podcast. 547 00:29:00,107 --> 00:29:02,987 John, as always, thank you for your leadership in our industry and for 548 00:29:03,227 --> 00:29:07,157 sharing a few moments, uh, with us today, from tour in Italy on what's coming 549 00:29:07,157 --> 00:29:08,537 up and what's going on in your world. 550 00:29:08,882 --> 00:29:10,892 It's always a delight to exchange with you, Paul. 551 00:29:11,132 --> 00:29:15,332 Really, I just, I love, uh, talking with you about our favorite 552 00:29:15,332 --> 00:29:17,042 subject, the future of transit.