1 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:05,400 Janice Porter: Bob, Hello everyone, and welcome to this 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,020 week's episode of relationships rule on today's episode, I'm 3 00:00:10,020 --> 00:00:15,060 joined by Barb Hubbard, a coach, ADHD specialist and educator 4 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:18,960 with over 30 years experience helping people understand their 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:25,820 unique brain wiring and to how to take meaningful action. Barb 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,020 works with solopreneurs and high achieving professionals who may 7 00:00:30,020 --> 00:00:34,880 be neurodivergent, overwhelmed or just plain stuck through her 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,560 signature blend of EFT tapping and brain friendly coaching, she 9 00:00:39,620 --> 00:00:43,720 helps people quit chasing squirrels and start chasing 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,560 their dreams, which happens to be the name of her book as well, 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,100 which I love. Today, we're going to explore how the relationship 12 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:54,520 you build with your own mind and the right kind of support can be 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,260 the key to unlocking clarity, confidence and lasting progress. 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,260 So welcome to the show. Barb, 15 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:03,899 Barb Hubbard: thank you so much for having me. 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,659 Janice Porter: You're You're very welcome. Barb, you're in 17 00:01:06,659 --> 00:01:11,459 San Diego, if I correct, right? Yes, sunny San Diego. Is it nice 18 00:01:11,459 --> 00:01:12,299 down there? Right now, 19 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:15,719 Barb Hubbard: San Diego today is actually a little bit cloudy, 20 00:01:15,779 --> 00:01:19,379 but that's okay. We don't get many cloudy days, right? 21 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:23,660 Janice Porter: Right? We get a lot of them here anyway. So I'm 22 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:28,700 curious, because I know we both, we, when we met briefly, had a 23 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:32,300 chat a few days ago and discovered that we were both 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,680 former teachers, and I know for you, you were an elementary 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,160 teacher and then you were a high school teacher. That, to me, was 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,600 No, you weren't. No, no, high school just Oh, I thought, I 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,060 thought I saw that you were sometime, somewhere along the 28 00:01:46,060 --> 00:01:49,600 line. I thought, how could you be? I couldn't do that. I could 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,500 not do the high school thing. So okay, my apologies. But what I 30 00:01:53,620 --> 00:01:57,040 am curious about is what inspired you to to leave 31 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,460 teaching and get into ADHD coaching and EFT tapping. That's 32 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:03,840 That's curious for me. 33 00:02:04,260 --> 00:02:06,900 Barb Hubbard: Yeah, the the jump, there aren't a lot of 34 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,400 teachers turned entrepreneurs were kind of hard to find. So 35 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,840 yeah, you know what I what I found was I had been teaching 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,440 for about 20 years. There were a couple years off here and there 37 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:26,480 when I had kids and so forth. But I needed to change. I was at 38 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,320 a pivotal point where I needed to decide, either I stick with 39 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:35,780 this for 15 more years, or I jump into something new. And 40 00:02:36,380 --> 00:02:40,900 when I decided, okay, this is it I need. I need something new. 41 00:02:41,740 --> 00:02:48,040 The coaching was interesting to me. I had had a coach. I it just 42 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:50,380 was something that I thought, you know, this might be 43 00:02:50,380 --> 00:02:54,340 something that I can do. I've always been someone who people 44 00:02:54,340 --> 00:02:58,900 come to, for someone to listen to, someone to give advice, 45 00:02:58,900 --> 00:03:03,600 someone to talk things through. And I did a little research, and 46 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:09,000 I discovered ADHD coaching was a thing I had no idea. And I had 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,500 worked with lots and lots of families over the years of 48 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:19,920 teaching whose kids had ADHD and other learning issues, autism, 49 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:25,040 various things. I thought, Okay, well, I could do that. So I 50 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,480 jumped in, and I took a whole training program, a year long 51 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,560 training program, to be certified as an ADHD coach. And 52 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,460 initially I did work with parents. So it was very, a very 53 00:03:37,460 --> 00:03:40,900 natural transition, right? Like I had been working with parents 54 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:45,160 as a teacher. Now I'm working with parents as a coach, but 55 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:50,200 through just some some kind of serendipitous kinds of things, I 56 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,700 started meeting some women, meeting friends who were saying, 57 00:03:55,660 --> 00:04:01,980 I don't know if I have ADHD, but I'm distracted. I'm unfocused, 58 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:06,960 I'm overwhelmed. I you know, can you help me with that? And so 59 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,100 that led to six of my seven years of coaching, being with 60 00:04:11,100 --> 00:04:16,020 women who are often entrepreneurs, and they are 61 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,560 distracted and unmotivated and all those things 62 00:04:20,100 --> 00:04:23,540 Janice Porter: well. And that's what also made me curious about 63 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,300 wanting to talk to you, because I feel like that's me, and I 64 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:34,100 don't feel that I wasn't always ADHD, I didn't always get as 65 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:38,420 distracted as I do the in as I have in the last few years. And 66 00:04:38,420 --> 00:04:45,100 I don't know why. Partly, I wonder if it's because back in 67 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,900 my youth, things were so simple. I mean, you didn't have all 68 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:54,280 these online distractions. You had books and you had teachers 69 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:59,920 and, you know, and you had stories that were passionate. 70 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,300 Down and things like that. I mean, I feel really ancient, but 71 00:05:03,300 --> 00:05:06,960 on the at the same time, there wasn't that much distraction. 72 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:12,900 You had a path that you were going on. Now, I am so curious a 73 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:20,040 person innately, that everything distracts me. Oh, this guy looks 74 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,880 good. I think I'll go follow what he's doing. Oh, I like what 75 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,260 she had to say. I'm gonna go deeper. I can't do it all, yeah, 76 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,100 Barb Hubbard: yeah. So true, yeah. But my, my own personal 77 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:35,840 theory, is, is twofold. I think that you're spot on with one 78 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:39,260 part of it is that we have so much information at our 79 00:05:39,260 --> 00:05:44,740 fingertips, and curious people are going to go down this rabbit 80 00:05:44,740 --> 00:05:47,200 hole. You know what? I'm interested in this too. I'm 81 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,980 going to go down that rabbit hole. So I think that that is a 82 00:05:50,980 --> 00:05:55,780 part of it. We have also, you know, 20 different notifications 83 00:05:55,780 --> 00:05:59,920 coming in all at once in any given hour, right? So that 84 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:03,960 wasn't true when we were younger. And I do believe that 85 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,360 things were simpler. I also think that in terms of ADHD 86 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,460 diagnoses, we're just getting better at diagnosing this for 87 00:06:14,460 --> 00:06:18,540 women, especially women, you know, in their 40s, 50s, 60s. 88 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:20,120 Okay, so, 89 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Janice Porter: so I have to ask you, then, does it matter that 90 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,840 you get diagnosed or not? Because, as you know, as a 91 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:33,020 parent and a grandparent, and I look at my little granddaughter, 92 00:06:33,020 --> 00:06:37,580 who is very hyperactive, she gets distracted easily and but 93 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:42,220 she's also very obsessive, so big deal. That's just the way 94 00:06:42,220 --> 00:06:45,700 she learns, and that's the way she so we have to, as teachers 95 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:51,220 and parents and grandparents learn to to help her in the ways 96 00:06:51,220 --> 00:06:55,180 that will help her, so to speak, right? So does it matter? Do we 97 00:06:55,180 --> 00:06:58,900 need these labels? We never had them when I was a kid, right? 98 00:06:59,020 --> 00:07:00,240 Sure, sure. It's 99 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,280 Barb Hubbard: a great question, a valid question. I think labels 100 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:10,020 help when you are trying to figure out where to go to for 101 00:07:10,020 --> 00:07:14,880 support. Okay, fair enough for kids. So you know, speaking to 102 00:07:15,180 --> 00:07:18,420 what you just described, your granddaughter goes through, 103 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,840 right if, if she needs more support in writing, in reading, 104 00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:28,460 in occupational therapy, those kinds of things, the labels will 105 00:07:28,460 --> 00:07:31,880 be helpful to get her that support right. So that's that's 106 00:07:31,940 --> 00:07:38,840 one piece of it. But as adults, it's 5050. Of the people that I 107 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,580 meet, many people want the label because that helps them 108 00:07:42,580 --> 00:07:44,200 understand themselves better. 109 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:48,040 Janice Porter: Well, I feel as though, if you ever scroll 110 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,360 through Facebook and you've talked or said anything to 111 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,520 anybody about or looked at anyone that deals with HTA, 112 00:07:57,820 --> 00:08:01,740 ADHD, you get oodles in your newsfeed about that, right? So 113 00:08:01,740 --> 00:08:05,100 then you see that it's, it's very prevalent, and everybody's 114 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:07,800 talking about it, because that's what they focused on for you 115 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:14,580 this week in your newsfeed and and it seems almost like people 116 00:08:14,580 --> 00:08:17,880 want to have that. I know it sounds weird, but it's like a 117 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,980 status symbol in a way that, you know, yeah, 118 00:08:21,980 --> 00:08:25,220 Barb Hubbard: well, and I think some people do, I think, you 119 00:08:25,220 --> 00:08:29,180 know, I don't, I will say I don't like that, because we 120 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:37,040 truly have ADHD or anything else right there. There is, you know, 121 00:08:37,460 --> 00:08:42,580 it, it is unique and it is profound for you, and it's a 122 00:08:42,580 --> 00:08:46,600 challenge, yeah, for you, challenge, right, right? So you 123 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,440 do have to be careful not to just say, Oh, well, that's me 124 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:55,420 too, right? Like I have this, or I have that, you know, but I 125 00:08:55,420 --> 00:09:01,560 think that when it comes to to looking for the right support 126 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:04,800 for yourself. Yeah, that makes sense and be helpful and and 127 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,960 being distracted can be any number of different things, 128 00:09:10,020 --> 00:09:13,920 right? It could it. Distraction happens when you're burnt out, 129 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,060 distraction happens when you have COVID. Distraction happens 130 00:09:18,060 --> 00:09:22,760 when you are in menopause. Distraction happens when you 131 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:28,220 have ADHD, right? But if you combine all that you're going 132 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:32,240 through and figure out what the label is, it can lead you to the 133 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,660 supports that might help you be less distracted. Yeah, 134 00:09:35,659 --> 00:09:37,399 Janice Porter: that's a good point that you just made, that 135 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:44,139 there's so many things that can contribute to that. So you've 136 00:09:44,139 --> 00:09:46,959 said, you've said that time management isn't really about 137 00:09:46,959 --> 00:09:49,299 time. Can you explain what you mean by 138 00:09:49,299 --> 00:09:53,259 Barb Hubbard: that? Absolutely, yes. I talk about this a lot, 139 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:58,239 time management and not about time. Time management is truly 140 00:09:58,299 --> 00:10:04,619 about energy management. About what is is going on in your 141 00:10:04,619 --> 00:10:12,239 mind, right? If I sit down for an hour, if I have a lot of 142 00:10:12,239 --> 00:10:15,959 energy, because I got a good night's sleep and I'm feeling 143 00:10:15,959 --> 00:10:19,619 good because I'm excited about what's to come in the day, I'll 144 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:24,739 probably get a lot done. You know, conversely, right? If I 145 00:10:24,739 --> 00:10:27,799 didn't get a lot of sleep, or I have a meeting coming up that 146 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:31,519 I'm just dreading, right, then I'm probably not going to get a 147 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:36,859 lot done. So, you know that same hour, it's the same 60 minutes. 148 00:10:36,919 --> 00:10:42,279 But you know that how we use that time varies, depending on 149 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:45,639 our energy, depending on our mindset. Yeah, 150 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,099 Janice Porter: that's, that's definitely another way to look 151 00:10:48,099 --> 00:10:51,939 at it, for sure. That's, that's very good. So many of your 152 00:10:51,939 --> 00:10:55,899 clients deal with overwhelm. How do you help them build clarity 153 00:10:55,899 --> 00:10:57,579 and take consistent action? 154 00:10:58,539 --> 00:11:01,319 Barb Hubbard: There's so many, so many things, so many things. 155 00:11:01,319 --> 00:11:06,839 I think to start, we have to go back to, you know, what is going 156 00:11:06,839 --> 00:11:12,239 on in your life, right? That that is is causing you to be 157 00:11:12,299 --> 00:11:18,719 overwhelmed, right? So one avenue is to work on habits and 158 00:11:18,719 --> 00:11:22,819 routines. I often call them healthy habits. You know, what 159 00:11:22,819 --> 00:11:26,539 are your healthy habits? Are you sleeping well, you know, do you 160 00:11:26,539 --> 00:11:29,659 need a better evening routine so that you can get to sleep 161 00:11:29,659 --> 00:11:34,819 earlier? Are you eating healthy foods? Whatever that means for 162 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:38,239 you, right? One person's then jump into nutrition, and 163 00:11:38,239 --> 00:11:41,259 somebody else is just trying not to eat ice cream before they go 164 00:11:41,259 --> 00:11:47,379 to bed, right? It varies. You know other you know, healthy 165 00:11:47,379 --> 00:11:51,159 habits include movement, right, getting some movement in your 166 00:11:51,159 --> 00:12:00,299 day so that that's one avenue I also like to explore. You know 167 00:12:00,299 --> 00:12:03,959 what is going on in your body when you are feeling 168 00:12:03,959 --> 00:12:08,519 overwhelmed? Do you feel it in your body? And that's that's 169 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:09,959 where EFT tapping 170 00:12:10,019 --> 00:12:12,419 Janice Porter: can come in. Get into that in a second. Yeah. 171 00:12:12,419 --> 00:12:12,839 Okay. 172 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:17,099 Barb Hubbard: You know, when people calm their nervous 173 00:12:17,099 --> 00:12:21,139 system, when they have healthy habits, they're much more likely 174 00:12:21,379 --> 00:12:24,679 to know what the next step is that they need to take their 175 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:30,619 it's easier to prioritize what's going on in their day. And so 176 00:12:30,619 --> 00:12:35,119 rest is really important, pausing is really important, and 177 00:12:35,119 --> 00:12:39,259 then they can have that clarity and move out of that overwhelm. 178 00:12:41,419 --> 00:12:43,179 Janice Porter: Let's get into that a little bit. So you 179 00:12:43,179 --> 00:12:47,259 mentioned the EFT tapping, so what role does that play in your 180 00:12:47,379 --> 00:12:54,159 coaching, and how does I'm quite fascinated by this modality, I 181 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:58,359 guess you'd call it, and I did share with you that I have had a 182 00:12:58,359 --> 00:13:01,079 little bit of experience with it, but I haven't made it a 183 00:13:01,079 --> 00:13:04,799 routine yet. I haven't gotten into this as a habit, and I'd 184 00:13:04,799 --> 00:13:10,079 like to and and so how do you, first of all, you have to 185 00:13:10,079 --> 00:13:14,279 determine, I, I'm guessing, stop me if I'm wrong, that with a 186 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:18,779 client, when you're getting started with a client, this 187 00:13:18,779 --> 00:13:22,159 could be one of the tools you bring out depending on you know 188 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,119 who they are, right, and what they're going through. Okay, so 189 00:13:26,839 --> 00:13:31,039 when is this something that you bring into your coaching, and 190 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,059 how does it support emotional and mental clarity? 191 00:13:35,419 --> 00:13:40,359 Barb Hubbard: Yeah, great question. So some people come to 192 00:13:40,359 --> 00:13:48,639 me and they they want, or they're looking for faster 193 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:52,299 solutions, quick, quick little tips. And that's, that's what I 194 00:13:52,359 --> 00:13:57,399 my book is about. That's in my book, right? So we're looking at 195 00:13:57,399 --> 00:14:02,039 Quick Tips to boost your energy so that you can get started on 196 00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:05,879 something, or quick tips to boost your mindset so you can 197 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:12,239 get started on something. When they say to me, this is an 198 00:14:12,299 --> 00:14:19,499 ongoing problem, or I have tried the quick tips, but I still keep 199 00:14:19,499 --> 00:14:24,499 coming back to the same issue. That's when, when tapping, EFT 200 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:28,339 tapping can can come in as a support. So 201 00:14:28,339 --> 00:14:30,379 Janice Porter: tell my audience what that is, for those who may 202 00:14:30,379 --> 00:14:31,759 not know. Yeah, 203 00:14:31,999 --> 00:14:38,359 Barb Hubbard: so EFT tapping is when you I like to compare it to 204 00:14:38,359 --> 00:14:42,279 ACU acupuncture. Acupuncture is something most people are 205 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:47,739 familiar with, but in tapping you instead of the needles, you 206 00:14:47,739 --> 00:14:52,419 are using your fingers to tap on various acupressure points on 207 00:14:52,419 --> 00:14:56,859 your body. And researchers have found that the most effective 208 00:14:56,859 --> 00:15:01,499 acupressure points are on our face and are up. And torso, some 209 00:15:01,499 --> 00:15:08,039 also on hands and wrists, right? So, you know, as an EFT tapping 210 00:15:08,039 --> 00:15:13,079 practitioner, I can teach people where to tap and how to tap and 211 00:15:13,079 --> 00:15:17,699 what to say while they're tapping, and as you are using 212 00:15:17,699 --> 00:15:21,319 your fingers to tap on those acupressure points, you are 213 00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:26,719 calming your nervous system. You're slowing down just that 214 00:15:26,719 --> 00:15:29,839 overthinking that that might be happening because 215 00:15:29,839 --> 00:15:33,019 Janice Porter: you're focused on just doing the tapping and not 216 00:15:33,139 --> 00:15:36,199 what you're trying to calm your mind down, okay, yeah, 217 00:15:36,259 --> 00:15:39,739 Barb Hubbard: yeah. And it even has been shown to lower 218 00:15:39,979 --> 00:15:45,339 cortisol, lower those kinds of, you know, chemicals in our 219 00:15:45,339 --> 00:15:51,399 bodies that are out of whack when we are stressed out. So 220 00:15:51,699 --> 00:15:56,919 when you can lower that, it can reduce the feelings of 221 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,779 overwhelm. It can reduce the feelings of worry, of the 222 00:16:00,779 --> 00:16:06,899 feelings of fear. So when my clients say like they might, 223 00:16:07,019 --> 00:16:11,699 someone might come to me and say, I know I need to be posting 224 00:16:11,699 --> 00:16:14,819 more on social media, but I can't bring myself to do it 225 00:16:15,179 --> 00:16:19,199 right. All kinds of reasons why that might be the case. Perhaps 226 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:22,099 they just don't know what to say. All right, we're going to 227 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:26,719 explore that. Perhaps they can't find the time to do it. All 228 00:16:26,719 --> 00:16:29,719 right. We're going to explore. You know, when in your day are 229 00:16:29,719 --> 00:16:33,439 you going to sit down and write this post? Right? But if they 230 00:16:33,439 --> 00:16:39,499 say to me, I'm afraid of what people will say. I saw so and so 231 00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:45,339 post something and then she got, you know, all this feedback, and 232 00:16:45,339 --> 00:16:51,159 it was a little scary, or I'm afraid, you know, that someone 233 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:55,839 might find out that I, you know, I'm in this new business. And 234 00:16:55,839 --> 00:17:00,099 what if, you know, what if I don't succeed? Or the anxiety, 235 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:04,619 yeah, what if I do succeed, right? What if this post takes 236 00:17:04,619 --> 00:17:08,099 off and it becomes viral and suddenly I have too many Oh, my 237 00:17:08,099 --> 00:17:11,639 goodness, okay, great, yeah, yeah, you know. So if they're 238 00:17:11,699 --> 00:17:17,819 speaking from fear in that, then the EFT tapping can help lessen 239 00:17:17,819 --> 00:17:24,499 that fear. And, you know, it's, it's almost, it's, it's almost 240 00:17:24,499 --> 00:17:28,639 magical. It's not magic. But it sometimes feels that way, 241 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:33,199 because after a few rounds of tapping, if I follow that same 242 00:17:33,199 --> 00:17:40,099 example, the person is saying to me, huh, you know what? I am so 243 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:44,019 certain that what I have to share is valuable. It doesn't 244 00:17:44,019 --> 00:17:48,579 matter what the comments are and the fear is so much less. Or 245 00:17:48,579 --> 00:17:53,799 they might say, you know, I am so certain that what I have to 246 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:58,119 share is important, that if I end up with five clients, God 247 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,099 can figure out what to do with that. Right? I'll manage, right? 248 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:08,219 And so it's, it's such a unique approach that we can pull out 249 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:11,999 during a coaching session or within the months that we're 250 00:18:11,999 --> 00:18:16,259 working together, so they can, you know, move past that fear 251 00:18:16,259 --> 00:18:20,099 and take action on what they really want to do. So 252 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,440 Janice Porter: do you find that the clients that you that that 253 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:29,900 take on that practice, and I'm assuming it's it should become a 254 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:30,500 daily 255 00:18:30,620 --> 00:18:34,340 Barb Hubbard: practice, yes, ideally, yes, that you 256 00:18:34,339 --> 00:18:37,279 Janice Porter: see changes, actual physical changes in them, 257 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:43,540 Barb Hubbard: hmm, so I don't personally see the physical 258 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:48,040 changes in them. It's not like, you know, their skin color is 259 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,840 better or something. No, I 260 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,940 Janice Porter: think I just meant that you can read their 261 00:18:51,940 --> 00:18:56,200 aura being I don't mean that in a womb. I just mean, like, you 262 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,260 know, you can tell if they're more relaxed or, yeah, 263 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,360 Barb Hubbard: I think okay, I might notice that they are more 264 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:07,080 relaxed, or I might notice that they're holding their body with 265 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,620 more confidence, right, sitting up straight, speaking with more 266 00:19:10,620 --> 00:19:17,220 confidence, you know, a more their voice might come across 267 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:21,440 clearer, as opposed to That meek, you know, kind of voice, 268 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:27,560 yeah, but what I what, what is noticed, that I'm not noticing, 269 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:33,740 is they're reporting that they got so much more done, right? 270 00:19:33,740 --> 00:19:37,880 They weren't wasting time, that they weren't avoiding the hard 271 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,460 task anymore, right? So it's more of what they're noticing 272 00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:47,140 within themselves. Of course, I hear about after the fact. Okay, 273 00:19:47,140 --> 00:19:47,440 that's 274 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,640 Janice Porter: that makes sense. So I do you do you still have 275 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,540 your group coaching 276 00:19:52,540 --> 00:19:55,840 Barb Hubbard: program? So I do group coaching from time to 277 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,080 time. I don't currently have a program running, but it probably 278 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,540 will in the fall. Okay, 279 00:20:00,540 --> 00:20:02,400 Janice Porter: was this the how to eat an elephant? 280 00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:06,780 Barb Hubbard: Yeah, so I've had a couple different groups over 281 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:10,380 the years. That was one of them, and, no, I don't have that group 282 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:11,160 any longer. 283 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,220 Janice Porter: Okay, that's fine. So you have worked, I 284 00:20:14,220 --> 00:20:16,920 know, with a wide range of people, from high achieving 285 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,160 physicians to creative entrepreneurs. What do they all 286 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,160 seem to have in common when they come to you, 287 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:28,999 Barb Hubbard: they are all overwhelmed, and they all come 288 00:20:28,999 --> 00:20:34,339 to me with this sense of, I have tried all the things and I don't 289 00:20:34,339 --> 00:20:39,799 know what to do anymore. You know, they may have bought a, 290 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:44,259 you know, a video program, but they never finished it, or they 291 00:20:44,259 --> 00:20:50,319 may have, you know, tried to be in a group, you know, and get 292 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:53,799 advice from the group members and the facilitator, and it just 293 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:59,499 didn't work, right? So they come to me feeling a bit broken. 294 00:20:59,979 --> 00:21:04,379 That's a word I often hear, is that, you know, I feel broken, I 295 00:21:04,379 --> 00:21:09,299 need you to fix me, is what people will say. And honestly, 296 00:21:09,299 --> 00:21:13,019 my response is always, you're not broken. You don't need to be 297 00:21:13,079 --> 00:21:19,379 fixed. You are wonderful the way you are, and we need to help you 298 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:23,059 figure out what works for you, what strategies are going to 299 00:21:23,059 --> 00:21:26,959 work for your brain? Because all of our brains are different, 300 00:21:26,959 --> 00:21:31,519 right, you know, and so, but they're all coming to me with 301 00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:35,839 that same kind of like, give up. I don't know what to do. 302 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:38,539 Janice Porter: Yeah, that's a really interesting piece there, 303 00:21:38,539 --> 00:21:42,939 because I'm just wanting to share with my audience that you 304 00:21:42,939 --> 00:21:46,719 did a really special thing just after we met, and we'd had a 305 00:21:46,719 --> 00:21:50,859 great conversation, and then you did a post on LinkedIn that 306 00:21:50,859 --> 00:21:53,859 referred to a question that I had asked you, and I think 307 00:21:53,919 --> 00:21:57,279 that's the core of what you're just saying right now. And that 308 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:00,159 question is, how do you best learn right something like that? 309 00:22:00,219 --> 00:22:05,819 So so often. And you also alluded to this earlier when you 310 00:22:05,819 --> 00:22:09,419 said that they may have, you know, they you didn't say it 311 00:22:09,419 --> 00:22:12,539 quite this way, but they may have spent 1000s of dollars on 312 00:22:12,539 --> 00:22:16,499 video programs or or coaching programs that they're looking 313 00:22:16,499 --> 00:22:20,239 for an answer to their particular situation, but the 314 00:22:20,239 --> 00:22:27,859 kinds of courses or programs that they have gone to are the 315 00:22:27,859 --> 00:22:31,339 ones that spoke the loudest, really on social media, the ones 316 00:22:31,339 --> 00:22:35,359 that had the long sales pitches. And you know, if you didn't sign 317 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,759 up there by the time you got to the next piece, there was 318 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:40,479 another button to sign up. All of those, and they're all 319 00:22:40,479 --> 00:22:44,679 expensive, but they're all um, cookie cutter, and they're not 320 00:22:44,679 --> 00:22:49,899 for everybody, right? And I guess we all have to make our 321 00:22:49,899 --> 00:22:55,059 mistakes first, maybe, yes, but how do they then find you? 322 00:22:55,059 --> 00:22:59,379 Because not everybody learns the same way, and to be able to work 323 00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:04,199 one on one with someone who understands that and can find 324 00:23:04,199 --> 00:23:08,099 the right solution for them is like magic. 325 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,940 Barb Hubbard: Yeah. I, you know, I think that, you know, 326 00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:15,420 obviously, if they're listening to this right, then they might 327 00:23:15,420 --> 00:23:21,560 find me that way. But in general, we do jump at the 328 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,520 cookie cutter approach, jump at the loudest voice, but there 329 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,380 comes a point at which people say, okay, enough's enough. I 330 00:23:30,380 --> 00:23:33,800 need to look for something different, and whether it's me 331 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,560 or somebody else, I encourage people to look for the teachers 332 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,320 first turned entrepreneur, because, you know, I said there 333 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,120 aren't many of us, but there's enough teachers will understand 334 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:53,380 the power of individualizing things for whoever is in front 335 00:23:53,380 --> 00:23:57,640 of them, right, instead of that cookie cutter approach, right? 336 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,720 Janice Porter: And so you've got a lot of tools to work with, but 337 00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:05,820 how you present them and with a particular person depends on how 338 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:09,720 they learn best, right? Yes, right, as well as what they 339 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,900 need, what solutions, you know, you you think that they need, 340 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:17,820 but, yeah, I think that is so crucial. And I think it's funny. 341 00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:22,820 I was talking to somebody the other day that I met on 342 00:24:22,820 --> 00:24:29,420 LinkedIn, and we were talking about, he wanted some 343 00:24:29,420 --> 00:24:32,840 information about LinkedIn and about my type of training that I 344 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,800 do, and whatever. And then we had this great conversation. And 345 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,720 then he said something about somebody else that was a 346 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,340 LinkedIn trainer that he knew that lives in his area or 347 00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:47,260 something. And I said, Oh, that's great. What you know, 348 00:24:47,260 --> 00:24:51,220 what, however, whatever you decide is fine. But when I 349 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:56,080 looked at this other person's material and profile and 350 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,920 whatever, I didn't feel it was a good fit with this guy, because. 351 00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:06,600 Because it was not this was like more for corporate than for a 352 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,800 business owner and whatever. But you can't tell people that. They 353 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,580 have to figure that out. So all you have to do is really say 354 00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:17,940 what you do, who you are and how you work. And one of the things 355 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:21,560 I remember saying was to him, you guys, you know you decide, 356 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,280 whatever you decide is fine, I said, but do know that when I 357 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,260 work with you, I will make sure that it's that it will work for 358 00:25:30,260 --> 00:25:35,000 you, right, right? In other words, I don't stop just because 359 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,660 the time's up where I don't do it this way, because that's the 360 00:25:38,660 --> 00:25:42,640 only way to do it. It's you gotta work with people based on 361 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:44,980 what will work for them. And that's what I loved about what 362 00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:49,120 you had to say when we first when we first met. So yeah, 363 00:25:49,179 --> 00:25:52,299 Barb Hubbard: and I think too, to add to that, you're not going 364 00:25:52,299 --> 00:25:56,619 to go in on week four with the plan that you always do with 365 00:25:56,619 --> 00:26:00,359 people on week four, right? And I'm the same way, right? We're 366 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,919 going to go into Week Four with an idea, yes, that of crave 367 00:26:04,979 --> 00:26:08,099 based on where this client is at, this is what they think 368 00:26:08,099 --> 00:26:13,019 they'll need. But with, you know, with being open to 369 00:26:13,019 --> 00:26:18,119 whatever the client brings to us that day and and ready to pull 370 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,899 out whatever tool we have in our tool, right? 371 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,700 Janice Porter: I remember teaching a client LinkedIn one 372 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:29,540 time, well more than once, where I used to always do it in a 373 00:26:29,660 --> 00:26:33,320 certain time block, and then I do smaller time blocks further 374 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,720 on. But this particular person, I could see them glazing over it 375 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,920 just about the hour mark, you know? And I'm like, You know 376 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,620 what? I think we should book another time. I don't think we 377 00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:48,160 should do it anymore, because I don't want to overwhelm you. And 378 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,760 the person said, Oh, thank you. They're so relieved. Yeah, so 379 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,880 you do, you have to read your audience, right? You really do 380 00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:02,340 Barb Hubbard: client recently, like that. I usually do 60 381 00:27:02,340 --> 00:27:07,140 minute sessions, yes, yeah. And after the first session or two, 382 00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:11,520 I realized, you know what? He needs 3030, minute sessions. 383 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,260 After about that much time, he was starting to say to me, I'm 384 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:21,860 done, right? And you're missing out, you know, so, so I said, 385 00:27:21,860 --> 00:27:25,880 All right, instead of doing, you know, four more sessions that 386 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,180 are an hour long, let's do eight half hour sessions. How do you 387 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:29,600 want that 388 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,720 Janice Porter: to look? And you want satisfied clients for sure. 389 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,680 And you want, well, then 390 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,260 Barb Hubbard: we want to meet them where they're at, so that 391 00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:40,240 they can move past whatever the the issue is. And 392 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,580 Janice Porter: you know, the funny thing about that, though, 393 00:27:42,580 --> 00:27:45,460 is and sort of going a little off script here, like sort of 394 00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:50,740 off to the side, is that I think that's the difference between 395 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:59,560 paying attention and being able to read your client, your 396 00:27:59,620 --> 00:28:02,820 audience, as opposed To, I've got this much work I've got to 397 00:28:02,820 --> 00:28:06,660 get through. It's like, it's not about you, it's about right, 398 00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:08,580 right? It's what 399 00:28:08,579 --> 00:28:12,599 Barb Hubbard: you're doing. Yeah, them. And I think that, 400 00:28:12,959 --> 00:28:16,139 you know, even I started out with cookie cutter approaches, 401 00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:20,539 you know. So I think for anybody out there who's looking for 402 00:28:20,659 --> 00:28:24,439 someone to support them in whatever areas, yeah, you know, 403 00:28:24,499 --> 00:28:28,219 look for someone with a little more expertise, or, like, who's 404 00:28:28,219 --> 00:28:30,919 a little more seasoned, has a few more years in very good 405 00:28:30,919 --> 00:28:37,219 point and and look for someone who is open to that idea of, 406 00:28:37,339 --> 00:28:40,119 are, you know, I'm going to individualize it for you. I'm 407 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:42,759 gonna meet you where you're at, right? Yeah, 408 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,700 Janice Porter: totally. So if someone listening today is 409 00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:49,720 feeling stuck or overwhelmed, what's one small step they can 410 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,820 take to move forward with more clarity, 411 00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:57,160 Barb Hubbard: my favorite tip is to get up and walk away for a 412 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,500 moment. Okay, and I'm not suggesting you avoid whatever 413 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:06,660 that is that you're stuck on forever. And if it is like, I'm 414 00:29:06,660 --> 00:29:10,320 stuck in life right, then that's a different kind of get up and 415 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,180 walk away. Then it's I'm stuck with this task. Yeah, but, you 416 00:29:15,180 --> 00:29:19,500 know, get up and go for a walk around the block, call a friend 417 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:24,920 and take your mind off of what it is for 15 minutes, turn on 418 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,420 some music and dance, right? Something that involves another 419 00:29:29,420 --> 00:29:32,960 person, or involves some movement that really kind of 420 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:39,140 breaks that stuckness in your brain and then return to 421 00:29:39,380 --> 00:29:42,880 whatever that task is, or whatever you need to figure out 422 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,260 a little bit later. You know, it's the power of the pause, 423 00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:50,740 right? And yes, like we were saying earlier when we were 424 00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:54,520 younger, that was kind of built into our day. But now, with 425 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,040 social media and email and all of that going 426 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,720 Janice Porter: on, no end, yes, sir, there's no end. It 427 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,640 Barb Hubbard: created for that's 428 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,620 Janice Porter: so true. Oh my goodness, it's so true. So I'm 429 00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:12,180 going to just diverge again, because now I would like to just 430 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:15,360 ask you a couple of quick questions. And I have to ask you 431 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,540 this question because of who you are, and because I just have to 432 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,800 so I often ask this question, but not to everybody, and it's 433 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,900 because I'm so curious. So I want to know whether you think 434 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,360 curiosity is innate or learned. And by the way, there's no wrong 435 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:41,980 answer, Curiosity is innate or learned. And second part, what 436 00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:44,020 are you most curious about these days? 437 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:51,340 Barb Hubbard: So I think that it's a combination of both, but 438 00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:56,680 I think that it's more innate than it is learned. Okay, I 439 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:02,280 would lean that way. I think that kids are naturally very 440 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,560 curious, and along the way, they get shut down. You know, 441 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,300 somebody says you shouldn't be interested in that you shouldn't 442 00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:15,900 be doing that. Or, you know, stop what you're doing and look 443 00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:20,900 over here instead. Right? I think that all of those messages 444 00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:24,620 along the way. And I'm not saying they're necessarily mean 445 00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:28,520 messages. It just, you know, sometimes you got to get in the 446 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,180 car and go somewhere, and it needs to stop looking at what 447 00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:35,420 they're looking at, right? Like it does not necessarily mean. 448 00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:38,360 But, you know, kids have all these messages along the way 449 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,620 that they shouldn't be curious, so there's not time to be 450 00:31:41,620 --> 00:31:46,360 curious, and it kind of squelches that. But I think that 451 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,980 if you let it as an adult, it could come back if you give 452 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:54,280 yourself some time to be curious, and you know, be 453 00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:56,920 curious about what you might want to look into. 454 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,160 Janice Porter: Do you think that we should be curious? I decide 455 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,600 Don't ever say but it just came to me, do you think that we need 456 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,120 to be curious but be able to control it? Can you do that? I 457 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,340 don't know. I just thought of that. That is such 458 00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:16,080 Barb Hubbard: a good question. I hadn't thought of that. I so I 459 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,140 think that if it is getting in the way of something right? 460 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:25,100 Then, sure, you need to control it a little bit. You know, so 461 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:29,480 many of the people that I work with are divergent thinkers. 462 00:32:29,540 --> 00:32:33,800 They like to think they're very curious, right? They think of 10 463 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,800 different things at once, and like a chess game, they're 10 464 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,020 steps out on each one. You know? They can get lost in those 465 00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:44,920 plans, those details, that research, and then you do kind 466 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,220 of need to put a, you know, a little bit of control around it, 467 00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:52,000 or boundary around it, so that you don't, you know, miss the 468 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,780 meeting. Or, 469 00:32:52,780 --> 00:32:54,940 Janice Porter: I think you have to realize that you're doing 470 00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:57,880 that first Yes, right, yes, yeah, yeah. 471 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,540 Barb Hubbard: So you might need to, you know, either set some 472 00:33:00,540 --> 00:33:05,700 boundaries ahead of time or or not. But, you know, I do think 473 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:10,680 that it's okay to let yourself do that sometimes, sure let 474 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,440 yourself go down the rabbit hole. So what 475 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,500 Janice Porter: are you most curious about these days? I 476 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:21,740 Barb Hubbard: am super curious lately about I've been reading a 477 00:33:21,740 --> 00:33:27,140 lot about money mindset. Oh, really interesting topic to me, 478 00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:33,800 just how we we the beliefs that we learned as a child around 479 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,180 money and how they impact us as an adult and big time. I've 480 00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:42,220 been, you know, reading books and listening to podcasts, and, 481 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:45,880 you know, going to kind of down that rabbit hole of of, like, 482 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,600 what? What does that even mean? You know, is the amount of money 483 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,540 I'm earning really, um, affected by my mindset and what I, you 484 00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:58,060 know, believed and learned as a kid. And, 485 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,080 Janice Porter: oh yeah, let me take bully. Beliefs and yeah, 486 00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:07,620 knows your limit on on how much you think you can earn, all that 487 00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:10,740 stuff, that's, it's, I've been that rude. I've I've done that 488 00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:11,760 too. Yes, yeah, 489 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,900 Barb Hubbard: yeah. That's my latest curiosity. Well, 490 00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:21,260 Janice Porter: thank you for sharing, and I think that if my 491 00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:24,500 audience wants to get hold of you, I will put it in the show 492 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:26,780 notes. But where, where can they find you? What would you like 493 00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:28,520 them to? Where would you like them to go? 494 00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:31,700 Barb Hubbard: So my website is barbhubbered coaching.com 495 00:34:32,660 --> 00:34:37,760 perfect, easy, and my email is Barb at Barb, Hubbard 496 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,400 coaching.com so those are two easy ways to find me. LinkedIn 497 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,120 is just Barb Hubbard, so no, no coding on that one. But okay, 498 00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:50,560 and your book, and my book is, quit chasing squirrels and start 499 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,640 chasing your dreams. 500 00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:53,440 Janice Porter: And it's on Amazon, right? Because I just 501 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,940 look for it, yes. Okay, perfect. Well, I think Barb, you've given 502 00:34:57,940 --> 00:35:01,320 us a great, powerful reminder that. Success isn't about 503 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,740 fitting into someone else's mold. It's about understanding 504 00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:08,640 how you are wired and using that insight to take purposeful 505 00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:13,800 action. So whether you identify as neurodivergent, overwhelmed 506 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,760 or simply ready to build more focus into your day, I think 507 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,140 Barb's approach shows that the right strategies and support can 508 00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:24,200 make all the difference, because when you build a better 509 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,800 relationship with your mind, you build stronger, more intentional 510 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,420 relationships in every area of your life. So thank you Barb for 511 00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:34,220 being here. Thank you 512 00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:36,740 Barb Hubbard: so much for having me. This was a really delightful 513 00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:38,240 conversation. You're very 514 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,020 Janice Porter: welcome, and thank you to my loyal listeners 515 00:35:41,020 --> 00:35:45,580 for being here as well, and remember that relationships rule 516 00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:48,460 and to stay connected and be remembered. You.